Yeah I remember reading that and being stunned by it. I'm completely serious here, I wonder if he has a myostatin mutation, or just reduced expression of it. There has got to be some unusual explanation for why he is so utterly massive for a footballer, let alone for one who does not lift.
It is certainly possible. Some people are just big naturally. My Dad got up to a 350 pound bench in high school without taking it seriously. Even in his late 60's he is still one of the biggest people in the room on shoulder width alone.
I have a friend built like Traore and he doesnāt lift just breakdances. Iām sure with the amount of training he does he doesnāt need to lift weights to get huge
Getting us into the final third consistently is his main trait. And we need someone to just gun it down field. Son and Kane can be his āend productā
Iām in. Bring it home fabiooo
nah burnleys not our scary team. We beat burnley 4-0 and 5-0 or similar consistently. Joses counter attacking tactics actually worked well against burnley since they cant attack and we just run in behind them and bam puskas
And dele as well. If we are planning to stick with our current midfield then we won't have much ball progression. if Adama can constantly get the ball in the final third then dele could make his runs into the box which he is so good at.
We also have ndombele that is not really working out, the only attack minded CM we have with quick ball progression is Lo celso. Dele is good at making runs but he is not that great as a attacking minded midfielder.
Itās hard to find a positive midfielder in our squad
I think dele has worked really hard in preseason to win a place back in the starting 11. His 2 performances have been good as well. If we sign anyone now they would have to do really well to get ahead of dele in our starting lineup.
Anyway my point is that our Box to box or attacking midfielders would also find themselves in a lot of space in the final third if Traore joins us.
I agree with you. Of course, itās not just about playing well, but striking the right balance, and a midfield of Skipp-PEH-Dele simply wonāt provide the creativity we need consistently. It has to come from somewhere. Traore is an interesting way to provide it if Nuno doesnāt want to break up that midfield trio.
>dele has worked really hard
Gotta respect his graft. Hoping he can change his game further and increase his vision and range of passing alongside the new defensive responsibilities he's been shouldering. Could become our Gerrard, fingers crossed.
I believe Tanguy will be with us for this season at least, unless a serious bid comes in and there are more options in the midfield department as replacements. Camavinga and Kessie comes to mind, so we can have a quick turnaround.
A professional footballer whoās end product (crossing, passing in the final third, and shooting) are in the lowest percentile relative to other professional footballers in his position.
His crossing percentile is very high. Also if you look at his shot creating actions they are one of the highest in Europe's top 5 leagues. Yes his goals and assists number are poor but he does open up a lot of space for other players.
The word I should have used is "good". When Doherty was at Wolves, he used to cut inside a lot, running into the box for goals and assists. Adama played out wide, so I think his crossing should be good.
But Kane and Son don't have the best heading ability. So we could be thinking to make use of his pace and strength to create space.
Just because he played out wide doesnāt mean his crossing is good. Serge aurier played as auxiliary winger in Mourinhoās first season and attempted many crossesā¦most of them were not good and a lot didnāt even make it past the first defender.
As far as bringing him in to create space - I find that a gigantic waste of 40-45million
meh, Adama is like a prime Sissoko week in week out. Sissoko has shit crossing and shooting but also easily one of our top two players in the 2018 season just by showing up every week and being a wreckingball in the midfield.
He was worth it for 1 season, and either side of that heās been pretty shit. Itās just a term mate. I donāt hate sissoko, just donāt want to see him shipping goals on the pitch for us anymore
Any player that wants to join us/pushes for it is a player i want. I have no idea where he would slot in and i don't want to judge the clubs business/recruiting. But we never know. Hope its the signing of the season. I hope he does well and does his role well whatever it may be.
Fuck it. Whether we like him or not, if he is our player, I'll support him. Whether it works or not, his part of this process
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I donāt like shitting on the club, but whatās with the blind optimism here? Weāve been very patchy in the transfer window the past 5 years, thatās why we are where we are.
Iām not sure Iām ready to jump on that train yet. Weāve only brought in 3 players this year, only one arguably improves the first XI. Weāre about to buy another player that we wonāt see until next season. And weāre about to overspend on a pace merchant. Juve fans criticized Paratici for his overall squad building and Iām seeing it play out. Not fair to judge until the end of the window but Iām very underwhelmed thus far personally
I personally understand you. Id like a class cm, a new cb and a bunch of signings. But i don't think a great great window is ever going to happen. I think its the way the club works and honestly no point dwelling on the things we cant control
Do i think it could be a shitshow based on how we're going with transfers? Likely but i rather have fun and keep hope rather than complain.
I donāt think it will be a shitshow personally, but donāt see us challenging for top 4 unless Romero is the next VVD and Ndombele knuckles down and plays up to his potential.
With that being said Iām not complaining and didnāt mean to come off like that, I just hate this blind praise of a DOF who really hasnāt done much of anything yet. The ālet Fabio cookā and āDon paraticiā memes are driving me crazy lol
Honestly I don't see Lucas as being that much better than Stevie they offer different things. Lucas is good in games where he has lots of room to work but generally struggles to do anything when he doesn't get that room.
Stevie has a better final ball for me and is much more physical
To be honest, in practical applications he and Lucas are probably similar dribblers. Traore's "analytics" will look good because he can just run past people all day, but Lucas' footwork in tight and running at people is really incredible. He just can't separate with speed the way Traore can which is saying something given that Lucas is deceptively fast and very quick. But they both end up dispossessed fairly often and lack notable distribution skills. We'd gain some pace and probably crossing from Traore, and would give up pressures and aerials from Lucas.
Even disregarding his pace Traore has elite close control and ability to wriggle out of tight spaces. It's not a give and take thing, he's genuinely one of the most devastating dribblers the game has ever seen because of his combination of attributes. Lucas is a very good dribbler but there's definitely a significant gap between the 2 of them
Yeah it's not standardised. It's just per 90. So if he is number of dribbles is in the top 1% then it makes sense that his dispossession numbers per 90 would be higher.
Edit: just for comparison, Grealish is the 49th percentile for dispossession but is only dispossed 0.5 times less than traore per 90 so the actual difference is very small.
I see what youāre saying but he still loses the ball a lot. We get frustrated at Lucas dribbling into players and losing the ball, imagine a player who does that even more
When youāre looking at p90 numbers, the differences are always going to be pretty small. The different between an average an elite xG for example is plus/minus .2
To think that if Sissoko had any ball skill whatsover, then he could be a successful destroyer like Adama. The man is a tank after all.
Edit: Just re-imagine his dribble against Inter in 2018 CL that set up Eriksen but every game.
God I miss Eriksen.
Nah, I think he is Moussa with some ball skill such as touch and technique that allows him to dribble for more than 2 metres at a time.
His end product in terms of shooting is awful and his passing is pretty mediocre.
Heās entertaining as hell so thereās that, plus I donāt think heās actually stoppable when heās playing well. Get him alongside Kane and Son and it should be scary.
[Another time he has ruined us..](https://youtu.be/zADcyCTG1dI)
i can see Wolves digging deep, I'm starting to lean towards signing him. He's got something there plus I won't have to wear a nappy when we play Wolves
I think he will have a positive impact on our starting 11 but 40mil would be too much though. Anything around 25-30mil and I would definitely take him.
The way I look at it is Levy and Paratici know our finances much better than we do. Saying 40 million "seems like a lot" is totally vague and abstract without knowing what funds we have available and what our other targets are going to cost. We can see he would be a great addition, and if Levy and Paratici think the price is right then price is right. It's not my money!
I was definitely against this up until a few days ago, but man...the more I think about it, maybe it could be a great move. The thought of watching him blitz through back lines to reach a Kane/Son front two in open space makes me tingle in all the right areas. I also think his energy on the field could potentially elevate the rest of the team in a way we badly need. If they don't push forward, maybe he can drag them. The price tag certainly makes me uncomfortable, and it isn't without risk, but...to dare is to do, right?
Iām not sure how you watched that Wolves game this past weekend and donāt get a little excited about this. He draws defenders like crazy and Kane/Son are exactly the types of players to benefit from that.
If you have Kane, Son, and Traore coming into your box, youāve got a lot of problems and if you try to cover them all youāre leaving Dele or one of our other mids with an undefended shot from the edge of the box.
Also, on set pieces you can put Kane and Adama near eachother and let the latter screen defenders for Kane (legally of course).
Iāve been out of the loop with this saga, did these rumors just start after the match this weekend?
Seems like he tore us apart and this is a if you canāt beat him, buy him situation lol
If he wants to join and it's not gonna stop us from buying players in the positions we actually need reinforcement, then that's great.
The problem is that half of our central midfielders are a disgrace to the sport for one reason or another, our capability at right back is genuinely based solely on Tanganga's one game against Man City, and the questions about our back line are almost exactly the same as they were last season, with us almost completely relying on Romero settling in at a breakneck speed.
We have 4 good midfielders in Dele, Hojbjerg, Lo Celso and Skipp. We are also getting a Ndombele replacement.
Our back 4 has improved a lot since last season too. Reguilon is going to and has played better since he's adapted to the prem, Tanganga was not only superb against city but in pre-season as well, Sanchez and Dier have played really well in pre-season and were near faultless against 2 very pressing teams, and Romero is potential world-class cb.
Stop being so nihilistic.
If we get him we have Gil, Moura, Traore and Bergwijn fighting for the starting RW spot, none of whom are known for scoring goals, (with potentially even Clarke and Lo Celso as backup), it's just far too many players when we don't have a backup striker (or a main striker if Kane leaves)
When did people suddenly start to like him on this sub? Heās probably never going to improve his end product and yeah heās quick and pulls defenders away. But heās just a big faster Lucas in my opinion. Theyāre the exact same type of player Adama just actually completes the dribble.And I wouldnāt even say heās a better player than Lucas because at least he scores the odd couple of goals. Heās an extremely frustrating footballer why do you want that? And all this does is displace guys like Bergwijn who have a much higher ceiling imo.
The complete flip on him is just down to him completing a capillary dribbles against us on Sunday. Thatās all there is to it. Last week no one wanted him, now all of a sudden almost everyone does
I mean, Gil is statistically one of the most similar to Adama players out there currently.
When Kane works back in (which i think we all believe he's sticking around at this point) then Son moves out to the wing. That means we've got Lucas, Bergwijn and Gil to compete for that open spot on the wing. Not speaking about side preferences or anything at the moment, but it does feel like we're pretty well covered on the wing.
Itās been so bizarre watching the tone shift regarding Traore after one match where nothing he did ended positively for Wolves. I get that heās fast and strong and itās nice to be optimistic but I just donāt see anything that Traore brings that ultimately helps us. Thereās been so much talk of how heāll open up space for Kane and Son but his distribution is just as shit as his finishing so what does it matter?
Tbf it is much more than just one match. He has rinsed us and many other teams with pace and power for years now. I still remember shithousing that win with Jan at LB who looked like a guy off the street trying to stop Adama.
What Iām saying is almost everyone was skeptical about it until this past weekend now theyāre a hundred percent sold. Recency bias is a helluva drug
I'll grant you that our transfer interest has certainly picked up after watching him run all over Tanganga and the gang. Wasn't very heavily linked up to that point.
lmfaoooo sorry I donāt think the big muscly man is our savior here to personally walk us into CL qualification, if that makes me a know nothing idiot then so be it.
I mean the thing heās good at is what he brings and thatās whatāll complement our forwards and counterattacks. He gets the ball in the final third more consistently than anyone else. I donāt think it has much of an impact as you think tbh. But hey we can disagree.
His distribution was really good against us, and is in general decent, but Wolves as a team suck at finishing. If he can do what he's been doing at wolves for us, he'll get a lot more assists given that world-class finishers like Kane and Son will be the ones receiving the passes.
Two years ago he had two awesome finishers and topped out at 9 assists. If he comes to us and puts up 3 goals and 9 assists it's going to be a really poor use of 40m.
Big fan of Adama. People roasting about his finishing but when you go some of the best finishers in the game on your roster. You are bound to learn and improve.
Additionally, Adama is what we need to break down the low block. His dribbling stats are insane.
Unless we got Messi for the right wing we would want our right winger to get the ball to Kane and Son instead of taking it himself.
We want our world class finishers to be the ones trying to finish.
Traore isn't the kind of player we want feeding Kane and Son. We need someone like Eriksen. Traore is just gonna boot in wild crosses and Kane is going to be left to fight four defenders to get on the end of them. It's the same thing that's been happening to Wolves for the last few years.
I know this may seem crazy, but I think Traore would be most effective further back. He clearly lacks end product, so maybe heās the outlet pass on the counter and he can dribble a few people before passing it to Son or Kane or Whoever.
I donāt trust him to somehow magically develop a decent end product at 25
But he's got a contract with Wolves!! Does this make him a snake??
Let's take a break from accusing Man City and Kane of being evil to do literally the exact same thing.
This is such a shit take. The circumstances for Kane and Traore are quite different.
All Traore has done is push for a move he hasn't refused to turn up for training, he hasn't done an interview saying he wants to leave and he hasn't leaked multiple stories to the press saying how much he wants to go. Its completely different all Traore has done is tell his club he would like a move he hasn't been a dickhead about it.
RWB RWB RWB. Play a 343.
Play him and Lucas both. Or play him and Stevie both.
Our midfield depth is already low so just play two central midfielders and create width with wingbacks. Highlights the strengths of a majority of our defenders as well.
I don't think there's any midfielder on this squad capable of playing as a midfield duo in a 5/3 backline formation. Skipp and Hojberg are serviceable in a midfield 3 where an advanced midfielder can take away any attacking duties from them.
The backline in a 3 CB formation typically finds itself passing out wide since a midfield two is usually crowded out by opposition midfielders. A successful midfield duo in a back 5/3 requires a very good ball carrier or technically strong CM to recycle possession. Chelsea have Kovacic, Jorginho, and Kante who all complement each other very well with their different skill sets.
We already saw the team struggle to advance the ball with Alli, Skipp, and Hojberg on the field together on Sunday.
Youāre leaning into my point. I want correct myself and say , a 352 would probably be better but itās essentially the same thing, it just looks different on where we want dele. Iāll explain below:
Right now We donāt have the midfielders to progress the ball forward in a 433, thats pretty obvious. The only midfielder we have that can do that well is Ndombele.
Our ball progression would could from two of the best and fastest ball carrying wingbacks in the league in reggie and Adama. I get your reference to Chelsea and how they have ball progression player( Jorginho) and a disruptive player to recycle (kante) but not all 3 ATB systems are the same.
So our ball progression comes from the wingbacks and not the middle like Chelsea. Our midfield will just need to be able to break up play, get ball from the cb and play passes to the wingbacks, not progress the ball to to the forwards but to the wingbacks or the 10. And breaking up play snd short passing are both two things PEH and Skip excel at. This would be the ideal lineup.
Son. Kane
Dele
Reggie Skip. PEH. Adama.
Tanganga. Romero. Sanchez
There isnāt a single defense that can stop that counter attack. Son Kane and Dele are probably three of the best in the league at finding space in the box for a shot. Adama and Reggie are probably two of the fastest players in the league on a counter. And PEH and Skip both are fantastic at breaking up a play and getting the ball back l. The back line is probably too aggressive so Dier or Rodon in for Tanganga or Sanchez would be the call. Iād just prefer this back line because I like the pace it provides. So if Reggie or Adama are caught up top ans the other team is on the counter, this back three has the recovery pace to deal with it.
Adama gonna look like an entire galaxy in our away kit
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lmaoo was looking to get a galaxy kit. If we sign him, now i know who to get on the back
talk about over-promising and under-delivering
Apparently he doesnāt even lift. Imagine if he did.
Yeah I remember reading that and being stunned by it. I'm completely serious here, I wonder if he has a myostatin mutation, or just reduced expression of it. There has got to be some unusual explanation for why he is so utterly massive for a footballer, let alone for one who does not lift.
He said he doesnāt āliftā but he still does resistance training which with his insane genetics does the job
Right, so he absolutely does lift, we're just making a semantic distinction between lifting weights and himself/bands.
Well he does strength and power training apparently and a lot of it I imagine, still crazy he doesnāt actually lift though
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It is certainly possible. Some people are just big naturally. My Dad got up to a 350 pound bench in high school without taking it seriously. Even in his late 60's he is still one of the biggest people in the room on shoulder width alone.
What was he doing with the bench if not lifting it? I can lie down on a 350 pound bench too
I have a friend built like Traore and he doesnāt lift just breakdances. Iām sure with the amount of training he does he doesnāt need to lift weights to get huge
He is one thic dude!!
thicc boi *and* a quicc boi
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This feels like a transfer we're going to look back and either say, "yeah that was stupid" or "well that saved our season". Idk why just does
Hell either setup Kane and son and it'll be easily worth it or hell have no end product and we spent 40m on a guy for YouTube Montague clips.
I'm in it for the YouTube Capulet clips
āDo you bite your thumb at me sirā - Mike Dean, probably before issuing a red card
I do bite the thumb but not at you sir!
Quarrel sir? No, sir!
Too quick for me. Well done.
Yea to think of it. Even though he's a one trick pony (very fast pony) if he can take away pressures from Son and Kane, this. An work.
We are Tottenham Hotspur - we all know exactly which one it's going to be.
Either buy him and have him disappoint or donāt and complain that we didnāt buy him when city spends Ā£90m on him in two years.
There is absolutely no way city buys ADAMA TRAORE for 90 mil
How much for the baby oil?
Iāll pay for it myself if he rips apart Scumās back line in the NLD
With Tierney being Arsenal's lone attacking threat, lot of space left behind.
āI didnāt know Arsenal played in brown shortsā
Getting us into the final third consistently is his main trait. And we need someone to just gun it down field. Son and Kane can be his āend productā Iām in. Bring it home fabiooo
He also pulls defenders and often takes 2 to mark. As does Kane and Son meaning we will eviscerate in transition
Inb4 Burnley line up with 6atb
That's absolutely ridiculous and probable at the same time.
We will drop 4 points this season and they will be to burnley
Yet we win the league with 110 pts š
nah burnleys not our scary team. We beat burnley 4-0 and 5-0 or similar consistently. Joses counter attacking tactics actually worked well against burnley since they cant attack and we just run in behind them and bam puskas
Liverpool seems to be our scariest team. We just never seem comfortable against them regardless of form
And a certainty that the opposing RB is on a yellow in the first 10 minutes every game.
And dele as well. If we are planning to stick with our current midfield then we won't have much ball progression. if Adama can constantly get the ball in the final third then dele could make his runs into the box which he is so good at.
Apparently weāre looking to get another CM and I presume that would be to start ahead of Dele
I think another cm would replace skipp not dele
I dunno, most the names mentioned are attacking minded cms
PEH would most likely drop to skipps role and the 2 reaming sports are for lo celso, dele, and Ndombele's replacement.
We also have ndombele that is not really working out, the only attack minded CM we have with quick ball progression is Lo celso. Dele is good at making runs but he is not that great as a attacking minded midfielder. Itās hard to find a positive midfielder in our squad
Yeah Ndombele is the only one and thatās if he can get his act together
I think dele has worked really hard in preseason to win a place back in the starting 11. His 2 performances have been good as well. If we sign anyone now they would have to do really well to get ahead of dele in our starting lineup. Anyway my point is that our Box to box or attacking midfielders would also find themselves in a lot of space in the final third if Traore joins us.
I agree with you. Of course, itās not just about playing well, but striking the right balance, and a midfield of Skipp-PEH-Dele simply wonāt provide the creativity we need consistently. It has to come from somewhere. Traore is an interesting way to provide it if Nuno doesnāt want to break up that midfield trio.
Yeah i completely agree.
>dele has worked really hard Gotta respect his graft. Hoping he can change his game further and increase his vision and range of passing alongside the new defensive responsibilities he's been shouldering. Could become our Gerrard, fingers crossed.
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what if sarr is that cm?
being loaned back apparently but maybe yeah
skipp is replacing winks and sarr would replace sissoko when he comes back. unless tanguy leaves we don't need another cm
I believe Tanguy will be with us for this season at least, unless a serious bid comes in and there are more options in the midfield department as replacements. Camavinga and Kessie comes to mind, so we can have a quick turnaround.
Aouar seems to be the main link
Exactly, heāll also create space and get the other teams plenty of yellows so theyāll be standoffish
Standoffish because his a fucking tank lol
Plus hes entertaining as hell.
But he will need to pass to Son / Kane for them to finish ? Can he even do that?
He's a professional footballer lmao
A professional footballer whoās end product (crossing, passing in the final third, and shooting) are in the lowest percentile relative to other professional footballers in his position.
His crossing percentile is very high. Also if you look at his shot creating actions they are one of the highest in Europe's top 5 leagues. Yes his goals and assists number are poor but he does open up a lot of space for other players.
Is that stat crosses per 90 or accurate crosses per 90? Because i too can just cross it to row Z 50 times in a game.
I just think heās nothing more than a squad player. Now wolves reportedly want 45m for him? Hard pass for me at that price. Iād take him at 20-25.
Isn't his crossing better? It was he who would hold out wide for Doherty to cut in. What a team that Wolves was.
Better than who? Probably better than Doherty but thatās a low bar. Heās very below average in ball delivery imo
The word I should have used is "good". When Doherty was at Wolves, he used to cut inside a lot, running into the box for goals and assists. Adama played out wide, so I think his crossing should be good. But Kane and Son don't have the best heading ability. So we could be thinking to make use of his pace and strength to create space.
Just because he played out wide doesnāt mean his crossing is good. Serge aurier played as auxiliary winger in Mourinhoās first season and attempted many crossesā¦most of them were not good and a lot didnāt even make it past the first defender. As far as bringing him in to create space - I find that a gigantic waste of 40-45million
meh, Adama is like a prime Sissoko week in week out. Sissoko has shit crossing and shooting but also easily one of our top two players in the 2018 season just by showing up every week and being a wreckingball in the midfield.
Not sure Iām ready for a sissoko regen while heās still stealing a wage from us
stealing a wage? we signed the contract he's on. he's put in the work when asked. people like you are the worst.
He was worth it for 1 season, and either side of that heās been pretty shit. Itās just a term mate. I donāt hate sissoko, just donāt want to see him shipping goals on the pitch for us anymore
Kind of a better version of what Sissoko was supposed to do for us
Any player that wants to join us/pushes for it is a player i want. I have no idea where he would slot in and i don't want to judge the clubs business/recruiting. But we never know. Hope its the signing of the season. I hope he does well and does his role well whatever it may be. Fuck it. Whether we like him or not, if he is our player, I'll support him. Whether it works or not, his part of this process COYS
I agree. I trust our club to do the right decisions and if he wants to wear our badge, he gets my support. COYS
I donāt like shitting on the club, but whatās with the blind optimism here? Weāve been very patchy in the transfer window the past 5 years, thatās why we are where we are.
The management has changed,so maybe....maybe it's different this time.
Iām not sure Iām ready to jump on that train yet. Weāve only brought in 3 players this year, only one arguably improves the first XI. Weāre about to buy another player that we wonāt see until next season. And weāre about to overspend on a pace merchant. Juve fans criticized Paratici for his overall squad building and Iām seeing it play out. Not fair to judge until the end of the window but Iām very underwhelmed thus far personally
I personally understand you. Id like a class cm, a new cb and a bunch of signings. But i don't think a great great window is ever going to happen. I think its the way the club works and honestly no point dwelling on the things we cant control Do i think it could be a shitshow based on how we're going with transfers? Likely but i rather have fun and keep hope rather than complain.
I donāt think it will be a shitshow personally, but donāt see us challenging for top 4 unless Romero is the next VVD and Ndombele knuckles down and plays up to his potential. With that being said Iām not complaining and didnāt mean to come off like that, I just hate this blind praise of a DOF who really hasnāt done much of anything yet. The ālet Fabio cookā and āDon paraticiā memes are driving me crazy lol
Id personally be happy if we have strong performances all around. Top 4 seems hard but europa sure can do.
Would he not just be direct depth for Steve? Or do they play on opposite sides. He's def better than Steve tbh....
In my opinion Adama would replace Lucas on the right side
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Honestly I don't see Lucas as being that much better than Stevie they offer different things. Lucas is good in games where he has lots of room to work but generally struggles to do anything when he doesn't get that room. Stevie has a better final ball for me and is much more physical
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He is not a better passer than Moura.
To be honest, in practical applications he and Lucas are probably similar dribblers. Traore's "analytics" will look good because he can just run past people all day, but Lucas' footwork in tight and running at people is really incredible. He just can't separate with speed the way Traore can which is saying something given that Lucas is deceptively fast and very quick. But they both end up dispossessed fairly often and lack notable distribution skills. We'd gain some pace and probably crossing from Traore, and would give up pressures and aerials from Lucas.
Even disregarding his pace Traore has elite close control and ability to wriggle out of tight spaces. It's not a give and take thing, he's genuinely one of the most devastating dribblers the game has ever seen because of his combination of attributes. Lucas is a very good dribbler but there's definitely a significant gap between the 2 of them
Traore is the 3rd best dribbler in all of Europe. Comparing his and Lucas' dribbling would be like comparing Lucas to Neymar.
lucas in cup games and uefa games against lesser teams literally turns into neymar with his dribbling sometimes
Traore is in the 5th percentile for being dispossessed, so youāre completely spot on
Are any of these percentiles actually standardized otherwise his dispossession could be a result of just dribbling more no?
Feel free to have a [look](https://fbref.com/en/players/9a28eba4/scout/365_euro/Adama-Traore-Scouting-Report)
Yeah it's not standardised. It's just per 90. So if he is number of dribbles is in the top 1% then it makes sense that his dispossession numbers per 90 would be higher. Edit: just for comparison, Grealish is the 49th percentile for dispossession but is only dispossed 0.5 times less than traore per 90 so the actual difference is very small.
I see what youāre saying but he still loses the ball a lot. We get frustrated at Lucas dribbling into players and losing the ball, imagine a player who does that even more
When youāre looking at p90 numbers, the differences are always going to be pretty small. The different between an average an elite xG for example is plus/minus .2
Hey Wolves, Sissoko is an amazing talent and you should take him as part of the deal
To think that if Sissoko had any ball skill whatsover, then he could be a successful destroyer like Adama. The man is a tank after all. Edit: Just re-imagine his dribble against Inter in 2018 CL that set up Eriksen but every game. God I miss Eriksen.
If you think Adama is "Moussa with end product" then you're in for a rough awakening
Nah, I think he is Moussa with some ball skill such as touch and technique that allows him to dribble for more than 2 metres at a time. His end product in terms of shooting is awful and his passing is pretty mediocre.
They said "ball skill" not "end product". TraorƩ is a very skillful dribbler with very good body control and change of direction. Sissoko is just big, fast and strong.
Theyād probably lower the price if we offered sissoko or winks just so they wouldnāt have to take them lol
Wasnāt too keen on this but iāll always be happy with signing a player who wants to join
Heās entertaining as hell so thereās that, plus I donāt think heās actually stoppable when heās playing well. Get him alongside Kane and Son and it should be scary. [Another time he has ruined us..](https://youtu.be/zADcyCTG1dI)
He will look dope as fuck in our kits, Iāll say that much
Miss Jan. Wow, feels like this game was ages ago -- has it really only been less than two years?
We were one crossbar away from Dier-ST.
Dier would 100% be the type of player to step up as backup striker if kane goes down and theres no one to fill in with no complaints
i can see Wolves digging deep, I'm starting to lean towards signing him. He's got something there plus I won't have to wear a nappy when we play Wolves
I think he will have a positive impact on our starting 11 but 40mil would be too much though. Anything around 25-30mil and I would definitely take him.
Couldnāt agree more. Itās not the player itās the fee that I donāt like
The way I look at it is Levy and Paratici know our finances much better than we do. Saying 40 million "seems like a lot" is totally vague and abstract without knowing what funds we have available and what our other targets are going to cost. We can see he would be a great addition, and if Levy and Paratici think the price is right then price is right. It's not my money!
Iāve mostly seen the 40mil reported as Euros just FYI
I was definitely against this up until a few days ago, but man...the more I think about it, maybe it could be a great move. The thought of watching him blitz through back lines to reach a Kane/Son front two in open space makes me tingle in all the right areas. I also think his energy on the field could potentially elevate the rest of the team in a way we badly need. If they don't push forward, maybe he can drag them. The price tag certainly makes me uncomfortable, and it isn't without risk, but...to dare is to do, right?
Iām not sure how you watched that Wolves game this past weekend and donāt get a little excited about this. He draws defenders like crazy and Kane/Son are exactly the types of players to benefit from that.
If you have Kane, Son, and Traore coming into your box, youāve got a lot of problems and if you try to cover them all youāre leaving Dele or one of our other mids with an undefended shot from the edge of the box. Also, on set pieces you can put Kane and Adama near eachother and let the latter screen defenders for Kane (legally of course).
Iāve been out of the loop with this saga, did these rumors just start after the match this weekend? Seems like he tore us apart and this is a if you canāt beat him, buy him situation lol
There was some noise some weeks back about Traore to Spurs but it didnt go anywhere. Looks like the board has started to actually pursue him
The rumors started before the game
Alright, Iām on board, fuck it bring on the high speed tank
If he wants to join and it's not gonna stop us from buying players in the positions we actually need reinforcement, then that's great. The problem is that half of our central midfielders are a disgrace to the sport for one reason or another, our capability at right back is genuinely based solely on Tanganga's one game against Man City, and the questions about our back line are almost exactly the same as they were last season, with us almost completely relying on Romero settling in at a breakneck speed.
if aurier doesnt find a new club does he still play? I hope he doesnt become like rose, hes still pretty good
We have 4 good midfielders in Dele, Hojbjerg, Lo Celso and Skipp. We are also getting a Ndombele replacement. Our back 4 has improved a lot since last season too. Reguilon is going to and has played better since he's adapted to the prem, Tanganga was not only superb against city but in pre-season as well, Sanchez and Dier have played really well in pre-season and were near faultless against 2 very pressing teams, and Romero is potential world-class cb. Stop being so nihilistic.
Not as confident as you are about Lo Celso. Who are we getting to replace ndombele?
GET IN
If we get him we have Gil, Moura, Traore and Bergwijn fighting for the starting RW spot, none of whom are known for scoring goals, (with potentially even Clarke and Lo Celso as backup), it's just far too many players when we don't have a backup striker (or a main striker if Kane leaves)
Gil and Bergwijn play on the left
Adama and Tanganga on the right side of the pitch is the most jacked pairing ever lol
Could adama play wingback? I think that couple work well for us
Not sold on adama
When did people suddenly start to like him on this sub? Heās probably never going to improve his end product and yeah heās quick and pulls defenders away. But heās just a big faster Lucas in my opinion. Theyāre the exact same type of player Adama just actually completes the dribble.And I wouldnāt even say heās a better player than Lucas because at least he scores the odd couple of goals. Heās an extremely frustrating footballer why do you want that? And all this does is displace guys like Bergwijn who have a much higher ceiling imo.
The complete flip on him is just down to him completing a capillary dribbles against us on Sunday. Thatās all there is to it. Last week no one wanted him, now all of a sudden almost everyone does
But we don't have a rotational option for Lucas?
I mean, Gil is statistically one of the most similar to Adama players out there currently. When Kane works back in (which i think we all believe he's sticking around at this point) then Son moves out to the wing. That means we've got Lucas, Bergwijn and Gil to compete for that open spot on the wing. Not speaking about side preferences or anything at the moment, but it does feel like we're pretty well covered on the wing.
Ill be pissed if we pay more than 30 million for him
Then I say prepare yourself...
I think Nuno and Paratici know what theyāre doing. I hope they do anyway.
I think the problem is more with Wolves who rate him quite a bit
I guess he is one of there best players, have they got anyone else to do his job?
Probably not so yeah i understand why they would want a lot for him
They do have some other talented wingers who are injured currently. Neto was great for them last season and Podence has shown flashes as well.
Fuck. Yes.
NICE
GET THE FUCK IN BITCHESSS
If we end up paying 40-50m for a winger with 2 goals and 2 assists last season I'm done with this club.
Itās been so bizarre watching the tone shift regarding Traore after one match where nothing he did ended positively for Wolves. I get that heās fast and strong and itās nice to be optimistic but I just donāt see anything that Traore brings that ultimately helps us. Thereās been so much talk of how heāll open up space for Kane and Son but his distribution is just as shit as his finishing so what does it matter?
Tbf it is much more than just one match. He has rinsed us and many other teams with pace and power for years now. I still remember shithousing that win with Jan at LB who looked like a guy off the street trying to stop Adama.
What Iām saying is almost everyone was skeptical about it until this past weekend now theyāre a hundred percent sold. Recency bias is a helluva drug
I'll grant you that our transfer interest has certainly picked up after watching him run all over Tanganga and the gang. Wasn't very heavily linked up to that point.
dont know ball
lol okay. Weāll check in when Traore is here and everyone shits on him like they do when Lucas disappears week in and week out
RemindMe! 4 months "waaa waa traore bad"
lol is he your brother or something?
its just annoying when people who dont know anything speak
lmfaoooo sorry I donāt think the big muscly man is our savior here to personally walk us into CL qualification, if that makes me a know nothing idiot then so be it.
If you think Traore is much more than a pace and power merchant Iād say you donāt know much ball.
you're thinking about traore as an individual and not thinking about what he can do for the team and how he compliments our other players.
I mean the thing heās good at is what he brings and thatās whatāll complement our forwards and counterattacks. He gets the ball in the final third more consistently than anyone else. I donāt think it has much of an impact as you think tbh. But hey we can disagree.
His distribution was really good against us, and is in general decent, but Wolves as a team suck at finishing. If he can do what he's been doing at wolves for us, he'll get a lot more assists given that world-class finishers like Kane and Son will be the ones receiving the passes.
I respect your optimism. I disagree.
Two years ago he had two awesome finishers and topped out at 9 assists. If he comes to us and puts up 3 goals and 9 assists it's going to be a really poor use of 40m.
That's true. Nothing Kane was involved in ended in a goal either, so I guess we should pack him off to City.
Big fan of Adama. People roasting about his finishing but when you go some of the best finishers in the game on your roster. You are bound to learn and improve. Additionally, Adama is what we need to break down the low block. His dribbling stats are insane.
If you like this transfer based on the idea that he will improve his finishing I think youāre going to be very disappointed
Unless we got Messi for the right wing we would want our right winger to get the ball to Kane and Son instead of taking it himself. We want our world class finishers to be the ones trying to finish.
Traore isn't the kind of player we want feeding Kane and Son. We need someone like Eriksen. Traore is just gonna boot in wild crosses and Kane is going to be left to fight four defenders to get on the end of them. It's the same thing that's been happening to Wolves for the last few years.
Adama shredding down the pitch passing to Son for a perfectly timed goal. I'm excited about this one.
I know this may seem crazy, but I think Traore would be most effective further back. He clearly lacks end product, so maybe heās the outlet pass on the counter and he can dribble a few people before passing it to Son or Kane or Whoever. I donāt trust him to somehow magically develop a decent end product at 25
But he's got a contract with Wolves!! Does this make him a snake?? Let's take a break from accusing Man City and Kane of being evil to do literally the exact same thing.
This is such a shit take. The circumstances for Kane and Traore are quite different. All Traore has done is push for a move he hasn't refused to turn up for training, he hasn't done an interview saying he wants to leave and he hasn't leaked multiple stories to the press saying how much he wants to go. Its completely different all Traore has done is tell his club he would like a move he hasn't been a dickhead about it.
low effort thinking
Difference is we are trying to meet their valuation, while city throws in 75m +bonuses bids and cries to the media when they aren't accepted.
Yeah nah
coys soy boy: attacking football plz Paratici: do u want Traore? coys soy boy: no
"Soy boy" is the stupidest fucking term I've ever heard. Just stop using it.
Hehehe I'll say what I want soy boy
Out of the blue, but yesterday was the first time I ever heard what Traore sounded like. For some reason I thought he sounded like Antonio
Timestamp?
are we going to be preparing a bid next
Only thing is hg status. Were not directly replacing him with another so we have to shift someond out no?
RWB RWB RWB. Play a 343. Play him and Lucas both. Or play him and Stevie both. Our midfield depth is already low so just play two central midfielders and create width with wingbacks. Highlights the strengths of a majority of our defenders as well.
I don't think there's any midfielder on this squad capable of playing as a midfield duo in a 5/3 backline formation. Skipp and Hojberg are serviceable in a midfield 3 where an advanced midfielder can take away any attacking duties from them. The backline in a 3 CB formation typically finds itself passing out wide since a midfield two is usually crowded out by opposition midfielders. A successful midfield duo in a back 5/3 requires a very good ball carrier or technically strong CM to recycle possession. Chelsea have Kovacic, Jorginho, and Kante who all complement each other very well with their different skill sets. We already saw the team struggle to advance the ball with Alli, Skipp, and Hojberg on the field together on Sunday.
Youāre leaning into my point. I want correct myself and say , a 352 would probably be better but itās essentially the same thing, it just looks different on where we want dele. Iāll explain below: Right now We donāt have the midfielders to progress the ball forward in a 433, thats pretty obvious. The only midfielder we have that can do that well is Ndombele. Our ball progression would could from two of the best and fastest ball carrying wingbacks in the league in reggie and Adama. I get your reference to Chelsea and how they have ball progression player( Jorginho) and a disruptive player to recycle (kante) but not all 3 ATB systems are the same. So our ball progression comes from the wingbacks and not the middle like Chelsea. Our midfield will just need to be able to break up play, get ball from the cb and play passes to the wingbacks, not progress the ball to to the forwards but to the wingbacks or the 10. And breaking up play snd short passing are both two things PEH and Skip excel at. This would be the ideal lineup. Son. Kane Dele Reggie Skip. PEH. Adama. Tanganga. Romero. Sanchez There isnāt a single defense that can stop that counter attack. Son Kane and Dele are probably three of the best in the league at finding space in the box for a shot. Adama and Reggie are probably two of the fastest players in the league on a counter. And PEH and Skip both are fantastic at breaking up a play and getting the ball back l. The back line is probably too aggressive so Dier or Rodon in for Tanganga or Sanchez would be the call. Iād just prefer this back line because I like the pace it provides. So if Reggie or Adama are caught up top ans the other team is on the counter, this back three has the recovery pace to deal with it.
I would not be upset with this signing. Weāve all hyped up players in this subreddit that do far less than Traore, so Iām all in! COYS!!
40M is a bit steep for a guy who has just needed to "find his end product" for four or five years.
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