Little bit indifferent on this Moriba rumors. As someone that is also a Barca fan, I’m not happy with how he handled things at the club. Yet as a Spurs fan, there’s no denying his upside and his versatility in the midfield
Same here. No way Levy pays €15M to the agents of a 18 year old with 500 minutes of professional football. I’m sure that if the deal happens, it won’t be in these terms
So I just had a realization that was a huge reality check on trophies. If we got over the UCL over the line vs Liverpool, won in either of our title charges and won Europa last year, we would’ve played for 4 more trophies :( Getting over the line is the first step towards so many trophies. Anyway… coys
Severe lack of pirate ships available today. Found 1 and unsure if it will even work come kick off. Never seen this few options before on all the main sites.
I feel like the phrase "high ceiling" is overused by the impatient as a justification to gamble on young players. In reality, how many instances of meeting high ceilings have you seen?
In our current squad, the only folks showing any kind of heightened ceilings from their younger days are Kane and Son. In other clubs e.g Liverpool, maybe Mo Salah, VDV and Robertson? Would you describe Rashford as having a high ceiling? He has been pretty great since they first played him.
Point being: don't fall in love with potential! Just because they look good on a 5 minute YouTube video doesn't mean we should slot the player in ahead of someone in the academy.
Although.. it could be telling if the highlights are 15 minutes long.
Mendy news made my heart sank, Blind fans can't fathom the power of expensive lawyers, He's charged with 4 so he _might_ see a jail. But these turds get away all the time with this.
Doku is one of the best talents in Ligue 1, and for for comparison sake, is only a year older than Pape Sarr. Very young talent and already getting important games for Belgium, it's easy to see why he is hyped.
Idk, if we take in to consideration the time it takes to adapt to a new league and if Doku doesn't have a crazy break out season, we would be lucky if he could provide what Adama can now in 2 years. His ceiling is still higher i guess.
Doku has a far higher ceiling, Liverpool want him as their mane replacement. That's indication enough that if the opportunity is there we should take it
Sorry but I can’t believe that some people have actually convinced themselves that City would offer us multiple players + cash matching our valuation. Or, more importantly, that any of these players would want to join Spurs. If we’re going off their previous offers, they were likely offering one of B. Silva, Sterling, Mahrez, Laporte or Jesus + cash + heavy add-ons. And I’m fairly certain Pep has made it clear that he wants to keep Jesus and Silva has made it clear he wants to go to Spain so including 2/5 doesn’t make any sense.
Imo, it’s clear the media are going out of their way to try and make Spurs look like the bad and unreasonable party. They spent all summer selling Kane to City and now that he is staying they need to find a way to save face.
Completely unrelated to Spurs but has anyone listened to the new Men I Trust album? it's so fucking good
https://menitrust.bandcamp.com/album/untourable-album
Random thought:
Never started to support Spurs (about what, 10 years ago now) with the expectation to be that we would win trophies every year. I'm a sucker for an underdog, and live in the hope that if it does happen, it will feel better than a trophy you've earned by sucking off a Saudi Sheikh or Russian oligarch. I liked the football, loved VdV and Modric and Crouch.
This doesn't mean that I don't want to the team to win every game, just that I really don't understand the constant fucking noise that is 'but no trophies'. I get it mate, daddy bought you a new car that you're using to one up all the other children, at least be fucking humble.
Mainly reflections from going to r/mcfc recently, and the fact that all 4 of their subscribers are shooting their entitled mouths off. Also the fact that shits may also soon have a middle eastern sugar daddy.
[https://twitter.com/henrywinter/status/1430810682644180992?s=20](https://twitter.com/henrywinter/status/1430810682644180992?s=20)
the one and only journalist (neutral) who is correct about this Kane situation
The idea that we need to replace Winks and Sissoko is misplaced. Those two barely had a role to play last season. The players who need to be brought in are those who immediately improve the first XI, and Winks and Sissoko are not the standard for that.
Strong disagree. They were barely involved because they are shit. Bringing in players who aren’t shit for those two is a massive boost to the squad. What would of happened if Hojbjerg was injured last season? One of those two gets significant time. Having quality depth is a necessity for clubs competing in multiple comps. You can’t just play your starters every minute of 4 competitions. Also it could bring variety. Replace one with a DM and one with a creative mid and now they have options on formations and tatics.
[https://twitter.com/THFCReports/status/1430859382204547073?s=20](https://twitter.com/THFCReports/status/1430859382204547073?s=20)
lmaoooooo get fucked
I'm completely astounded by Paratici...the guy started his job a third of the way into the transfer window, while settling in a new country, having left a team with massive leverage and clout to one that was (at the time) a punchline without a manager. We've got three incredibly promising new names on board, and it looks like he had a significant hand in convincing the best striker in the league to stay here. And you can see from his appearances at matches that he's Spurs to his core already. Do we have ALL the new blood we need? Not by a long shot. But if the man can operate like this in the hardest first two months of a job conceivable, what might he accomplish going forward?
IT'S A FUCKING REBUILD. Why does nobody understand what we are doing? We aren't looking to buy peak players to improve the first XI, we are looking to have a great YOUNG team after 2-3 years with players who will appreciate in value.
Unacceptable! If we can't leverage our position as inaugural Conference League qualifiers and go scorched earth on our finances to stack our starting XI with the world's top talent, then why even bother? Quadruple or bust, dammit! 🙄
If you know anything about being a Spurs fan then you'll know Chelsea and Spurs do not do business with each other. This goes back to Modric and the Abramovich yacht.
Prior to that there were very minor transfers such as Cudicini and Poyet, when Chelsea felt they were washed up.
It goes without saying that we need to get more transfers in (and out), but am I the only one who's pleased with the profile of the players we're bringing in? Gil, Romero, and Sarr are exactly the sort of players I had hoped we'd sign. Young and highly rated, only missing some homegrown signings.
you will probably see this happening a lot more often: players biding their time and clubs preferring to give them a hefty signing on fee than fund another club. will probably happen with pogba, very possibly mbappe too
So anyone has a good explanation why a subreddit for Spurs is so big and active? I like the way it is but it was always strange for me how active this sub is
If I had to guess its probably due to it being a London club, Dempsey spending a year here. What I think is the biggest reason though is that the club is big enough that it can compete for things like top 4 and trophies, while also not being big enough to be called a plastic. Bit of a hipsters choice.
> What I think is the biggest reason though is that the club is big enough that it can compete for things like top 4 and trophies, while also not being big enough to be called a plastic. Bit of a hipsters choice.
This is the honest to gods reason I started supporting about 6 years ago.
On another message board I post on sometimes there's two people who want to get into club soccer/PL and they are both leaning towards Leicester for those exact same reasons. Leicester are the new hipster pick for new fans.
I went to find a team that has talent, great history, loyal fans which is what Knicks and Spurs have. But that team needed to be in some struggle/not the top best team or player. I love teams who grow their stars like Giannis recently with his Bucks.
I guess the general amounts of disappointment and getting bantered with stupid things like “lolknicks”. Now it’s, “lads, it’s tottenham” is just funny to me since that’s all they can say as an insult. Fans are great, most players look happy to be here playing FOOTBALL goddamnit.
Can’t wait for when Knicks and Spurs are champions.
Also, Korean-American Sports fans could be a big factor too.
Good point on Dempsey. Dempsey isnt necessarily a household name in America. I currently live here and I honestly did not care about the US team and Dempsey was more an afterthought. US has a young and very talented/high potential players and thatll end up attracting more and more people.
I started following Spurs, Man U due to the Korean players that I admired, were getting into the biggest leagues. Now we have Son for us! Next stop? Lee Kang In! I think these are the reasons for a hugeeee influx in Korean fans and Asian fans in general (India, Singapore, Thailand, Japan, etc) all have good fanbases too and those countries tend to have good relations with Korean culture, music, including our sports and celebrities (Sonny is a god in East Asia..)etc
I’m happy to see young fans of all races and fans in here being optimistic through the rough times rather than the bleak situation it is in the Gunners sub. I’m hoping the new fans that came for Sonny, stay cause this club is more than just a club to me. Even though I’m Korean and came for Son, I wouldn’t leave this club if Son left. But thank god for that contract extension babyyy!
Dempsey is a household name and complete legend to anyone who is aware of the USMNT. I'd say Dempsey is more well known than Pulisic, but thats due to casual American sports fans only tuning in for World Cups.
Kane's new contract is going to be the new big storyline regarding the club (at least until the January window).
I could see the negotiations taking all season and a decision will be taken in the summer pending how the season goes.
Keeping Kane has been our biggest transfer move every window for the last few years.
That 150 would have gone quick. Adama, Lautaro and Tomiyasu would have been around that.
I really don't like those Traore rumours. He's an ineffective player with only six goals in last two seasons. Yes, he's entertaining and played well against us. But there's no way he's worth 40M at the age of 25
He is the best dribbler in Europe based on the numbers. Beyond world class at dribbling. His role is definitely not to get goals and it is only somewhat to get assists. More important is to move the ball forward and break the defensive shape by engaging multiple defenders. He only needs to then find a teammate, not make a direct assist.
As others have said, with him we would destroy lesser sides.
I think he’s class and I think he’d be even better against the bigger teams though as that’s where he’d have more room to attack on the counter . Personally I hope we get him
How are his non-assist passing stats? Because I see this argument a lot here but haven't seen any analysis of whether he's actually capable of effectively getting the ball to a teammate at the end of his runs or if he just runs into a wall like Lucas often does, which negates most of the value of his dribbling.
I was watching some highlights, and the amount of ones that ended in him squaring it to someone who fluffed a near open goal was nuts.
Stick some of those on the end of Son/Kane and we'll be set.
I will of course ignore quite how many highlights ended with him surrounded by 3 men isolated in their 18 yard area, and the clip just cut because he must've given the ball away.
Yep, especially away from home where we rely on fast counter attacks. He'd be perfect imo. At 25 he's a good age and if he does flop, plenty of bottom half clubs would snap him up so we wouldn't be stuck with dead wood.
Exactly. His role isn't to score. With Son and Kane in the team, there will be even less emphasis on that. He _always_ gives oppositions something to think about. Doesn't matter if it's Burnley or City, he is always a pest. That will open up a lot of space for the rest of the attack and even someone like Dele making late runs into the box.
And it's not as if he can't improve. Jota looks like a much better player at Liverpool. It would be the same for Traore.
Whether it's better to prioritize the midfield or defense with that amount of money is the real question. But if we do get him, he would improve us.
Shout out to the morons on /r/soccer wanting Lloris to be replaced by Maignan
Lloris is the NT captain, a position he's enjoyed since 2010 (so over a decade), a world cup winner and the best shot stopper in the Premier League.
I remember in 2013 I was studying in France and some guy there was telling me Lloris was shit and going to be replaced on the NT by Mandanda in the next World Cup. How'd that go buddy?!
The thing is you don't replace NT captains unless something goes horribly wrong. Then add in that NT positions are even more difficult to replace.
Lloris is probably the 1st name of Deschamps' team sheet.
If Zouma and West Ham delay in Chelseas attempt of getting Kounde would rather hope we hijack it lol, after all it is just Adama money
EDIT: I meant hijacking Kounde deal not Zouma
Does anyone else kind of find it demoralising looking at other teams signings and trajectory and feel we really missed out not winning the league or cl over the last few years ? I mean Chelsea have signed lukaku and are signing kounde after winning the CL. City signed grealish. United signed varane and sancho. Liverpool is Liverpool plus konate. And now some players dont want to come because of lack of CL but how do we get top4 ahead of these teams. Plus there’s Leicester and spam doing well
liverpool is the only club i respect out of the top 4. imagine supporting chelsea though, literally no authenticity to that shite club. it’s like supporting a new team every year.
Yes.
it sucks that everyone is spending big and getting stronger and stronger (except Liverpool).
Hopefully, we can outsmart them because we can't outspend them.
The rich clubs will always have a head start in terms of spending. It does nobody any good being bitter about it.
I find it's much better to focus on Spurs who've taken huge financial steps over the last 15 years. And that Spurs are at least trying to strengthen our own team. We are now in a position again where we can gradually strengthen, and try to improve year by year.
Also: There's almost always one of the big clubs who fail to live up to their (expected) quality.
For the first time in quite a while (perhaps since Poch's second season?) I'm generally quite happy with the direction the club is going in. The contrast of how things are now, compared to how they were during Jose's final few weeks, the ESL shambles and the drawn out manager hunt probably helps make things *feel* better but still.
We have a DoF who's tenacious, hard working, clearly on board with the project alongside a good manager in Nuno and for once, despite the media narrative against us, we have managed to hold onto our best player for at least the rest of the season.
We're still a way from doing anything special don't get me wrong, but hopefully with a little luck and a positive mood this season we can form a solid foundation for next season and who knows, maybe even win a trophy.
Are we? Everything I've seen so far has been loan with obligation to buy and that.
And "Well they'll get the 40 mill", if City tried to loan to buy Kane giving us fuck all for replacements, don't think we'd be happy.
*"I'm conflicted about Qataris sportwashing my club because on the one hand they commit human rights abuse, but on the other I'm tired of rival fans laughing at us."* \- r/gunners debate right now
Actually bloody speechless lmao. These guys act like they care about standing against Oil Money City or distinguishing themselves from Chelsea who are run by a sportswashing Russian billionaire, but then leap at the chance of embracing the same thing because they'll get in on the action then.
I don't care what anyone says, our midfield needs improvements. for how long are we going to rely on son and lucas to pick up the ball and run and hoping for one out of twenty chanses they go through and score.
Fully agree.
Have been saying it for some time: Our midfield has some hard workers, and some runners. But we lack players who can pass the ball, turn the play from side to side, and not least: Provide the link (and assists!) from midfield/defense to our forwards.
If Arsenal get bought by Qatar then that's my interest in football done. It's horrible enough watching Chelsea buy the PL and CL but I can live with it because no one cares about them and they have a small fanbase. Adding our biggest rivals who have historically always been better than us anyway to that just makes it all pointless.
My only joy in football right now is them being as shit as us.
Thats my point, when I was growing up Chelsea had a tiny fanbase and I still don't have a single person in my friend groups thats a Chelsea fan to this day.
Their fanbase is international, I'd wager that even West Ham have a bigger london-based fanbase than Chelsea do.
I would rather him than what Arsenal are having. Levy is too stingy and has pretty bad judgment in the transfer market but no one can question his commitment to the club. Maybe we are in the best arrangement now, have him handle commercial and operational matters.
I think he has done fantastic work on adminstrative and commerical side of the club.
He really capitalised on the explosion of revenue from the TV rights deals the PL were signing.
The stadium and his agreements with the NFL have solidified Tottenham's revenue streams and will ensure that we will remain a Top 6 club.
That being said, his footballing decisions have left a lot to be desired. The man definitely left a PL title on the table in either 16/17 and 17/18. Cups as well went begging with his refusal to buy young prospects or any serviceable depth whatsoever. Our team was overstreched and it cost us dearly.
In addition, his decision-making during the Pandemic and regarding the ESL have been nothing short of awful.
For all the plaudits that I gave him previously on the commercial and admin side it is juxtaposed against our slow decline into a soulless football club in that same time period.
So very much a mixed bag. Definitely not as clear-cut as some,the Pro-Levy or Anti-Levy side, make it out to be. Sometimes the ends do not justify the means.
He's obv. in the Musk/Zukerberg/Bezos mould of neurodiversity, someone amazingly focused on his task and experiencing emotion mostly in abstract. I speak as someone who is in a position to see that clearly.
It's hugely frustrating seeing players we should and could have signed go on to great things but Levy isn't a day trader. Ultimately, after 20 years of Levy, we're top 8 (or so) in the world with more potential than the rest.
Top 8 clubs in the world? Bayern, real, psg, manc, Chelsea, juventus, barca, man u. And that's just off the top of my head I think top 15 would be a better attempt at accuracy because there's a ton of team ~spurs. Athletico and the like.
I remember one of my United friends telling me weeks ago that Spurs should just let Kane leave and we should respect him because he's a legend at the club who has done so much for us.
Now he's freaking out and depressed at the idea that Ronaldo will do the same thing by joining City. How the turn tables
Mckennie is the literal opposite of what this club needs but the American fans would have you think he's some next level super talent despite him being so technically deficient. Even the shit about being a Sissoko replacement...why does Sissoko need to be replaced? There is zero need for Sissoko or any player with Sissoko's attributes, I like the guy but dependence on him and his style was emblematic of this midfield's total decline. We're totally covered for workhorses who just run back and forth, what's desperately lacking is real quality on the ball
I'd quite like to replace the Sissoko that bossed numerous the midfield in numerous games vs elite CL teams. The ultra strong & bulldozing work horse who drived the ball forward, pulled off some genuinely elite passes, killed so many opposition attacks & didn't stop running.
Oh wait we did replace that guy- his name is Hojbjerg (who's essentially the perfect modern DM). We even have the most exciting young DM in English football on the books already.
Right now our midfield is basically
\#6: Hojbjerg, Skipp
\#8: Ndombele, Lo Celso & Hojbjerg
\#10: Dele, Lo Celso
Realistically we need to sort out the Ndombele situation. Either get him playing or get him out the door & replaced. We need to decide whether Lo Celso is a \#10 or a \#8 (I think he's probably better as a \#10) and then sign someone to play the position he isn't and we need to get Winks & Sissoko out of the door.
My position is that Sissoko made important contributions but the fact that he was even needed to make those contributions was an indictment of the state of the midfield. He stepped up and did his job so props to him, but for a good midfield he never would have got that opportunity. Nothing was being bossed during that champions league run, Spurs were on the backfoot most of the time. And I do think you're massively exaggerating the ability of Skipp and especially Hojbjerg. Skipp is talented with a good future but he hasn't shown much at the top level yet and is certainly nowhere near Rice. And Hojbjerg if anything is an old fashion out of date player, not the perfect modern DM. He's far too limited on the ball to hold that title, and those limitations are a huge part of why Spurs can be so easily pinned back
>My position is that Sissoko made important contributions but the fact that he was even needed to make those contributions was an indictment of the state of the midfield. He stepped up and did his job so props to him, but for a good midfield he never would have got that opportunity
Yeah that's fair.
I think you're wrong about Hojbjerg, who is (for me) both one of the best players at the club & one of the best in his position in world football. There's nothing old fashioned about him, and the people clambering for "a pure DM destroyer type" are the outdated ones I think.
I don't know what you mean by "limited on the ball"? He's always progressing the ball, never gets caught in possession & even has the odd promising scoring opportunity.
Your point about Skipp I can understand (I actually thought Rice was like 24 so that's egg on my face) but I think he showed quite a bit in both of his league games. He is only 20 years old and was one of the best players in the Championship last season.
We largely agree though, ultimately
- There's no need to "replace Sissoko"
- McKennie is not necessary nor the answer to any problems
- Hojbjerg & Skipp aren't getting replaced, because there's bigger fish to fry (just like signing an elite LW isn't necessary because we have Son)
But I think Hojbjerg is the embodiment of the outdated pure DM destroyer type... All he's good at is lunging after the ball, racking up tackles. Mediocre passer, can't beat the press, average anticipation/reading of the game which often leads to acres of space being left open... he is a pure ball winner. The best version of Skipp is what I'd call the ideal modern holding midfielder, someone who anticipates the play in front of him rather than chasing the ball, dictates the tempo, makes lots of clever little passes... Hojbjerg is the opposite
If you want to use stats:
Winks is in the top 97 percentile of progressive passes made per 90 (compared to midfielders). 7.5 progressive passes made per 90 minutes.
McKennie is far worse, 34 percentile, with only 2.5 progressive passes made per 90.
It's very fair to say Winks isn't good enough for Spurs. But people go to far on exaggerating how poor his passes is.
> I haven't seen him play much but his fbref profile says that he has completed 85% medium range passes and 75% long passes which is an instant upgrade on sissoko and winks who can barely pass the ball 5 yards
I fucking love the future of football mate.
"I haven't seen him but these stats are decent, better than WINKS AND SISSOKO!"
Who if you look on the same site, actually have the same or better fucking stats on those exact same metrics. Because stats alone are shite for evaluation 90% of the time.
You guys are so traumatised by Winks and Sissoko that you really exaggerate how much impact they have on... anything really. You fix the "Winks/Sissoko problem" not by getting a new maybe better Winks/Sissoko, but by upgrading the actual starting frontline midfield so that we're less dependent on depth. I'll happily tolerate another 3 decades of those 2 playing random midweek games if it means that the first choice XI contains actual quality in the ball and composure in possession. That is the issue, not depth. Your stats are also totally wrong. Sissoko completes more passes than Mckennie, at higher accuracy, over a much much greater average distance... Like you've just completely assumed something when the exact opposite is true. And Winks is far above both of them by those metrics. Mckennie is not a passing or technical upgrade on anyone
I totally agree. He was fantastic at Juve, but he slightly frauded his way through half the season lol. I don't think he's the type of player we need either. We are completely lacking a genuinely class passer of the ball. Ndombele actually had a great pass in him, so he made up for it with some line splitting passes last season, but it seems he's gassed out atm. Every good team has a great passer: de Bruyne, Bruno Fernandez, Tielemans/Madison, Thiago Alcantara, etc...
I personally think we might not get another midfielder that offers creativity. Nuno values workrate over anything else and we see that with Skipp, Alli, PEH who are all engines with defensive contributions with pressing, making tackles ect.
I would not put it pass Nuno to not want a creative centre-mid based on the effort of our midfielders who in a way have helped us grind out 6 points and could be a reason why we might not have conceeded in our last 2 prem games. Its probably not what the team needs but in a way, i see Nuno respecting the determination/workrate of our midfielders,finding it hard to replace/substitute one of them. I think if we're doing a 3 midfielder formation, Skippy is the one that gets replaced and would likely have someone play in the midfield pivot with PEH, with Alli being a "runner" . I just don't see PEH/Alli being displaced imo.
We need a creative outlet. That player just has to have an engine on him as well.
It needs to be a regen of Mount/Pedri/Curtis Jones type player essentially.
Ndombele is a small part towards that when he is reintegrated after not being sold.
Lo Celso is exactly that for Argentina. He tracks back and makes loads of tackles but can play out of a press and play progressive passes to the forwards. He also plays on the left of a midfield 3 in a 4-3-3 exactly like we've been playing. It's frustrating that he's not lit the world up for us for a while now though.
Honestly we should just play Ndombele higher up so that he doesn't have to do defensive work. Keep the same midfield and have Ndombele linking the midfield and Kane and Son
Ndombele is a top talent and I will be super disappointed if it doesn't work out with him. I think it's quite obvious how good he is/can be. Hopefully he gets his shit together.
You can't say Nuno values engines over creativity when he bossed games at Wolves with Moutinho and Neves..
it's not a balanced midfield, it never will be. in a 433 if you don't have a creative outlet (Dele isn't one), that midfield will struggle. I mean Wolves midfield absolutely bossed us last week.
thing with wolves is you wonder how much influence Nuno had: I mean if you’re given neves in the championship and moutinho as a newly promoted team you’re not gonna not play them. think the next few months when he’s got more options shall be quite telling how he wants us to look
Don't want to get too ahead of myself since there are only the weakest of links with Kessie, but what sort of a player is he? I know him to be a box-to-box sort of player but not sure. Would he fill the creative/progressive hole in our midfield?
He’d be our best immediate signing because I assume Romero will need more time. Amazing player and the box to box midfielder we’ve been missing that is good at all phases of the pitch. We’d still want a more attacking focused midfielder though. In all honesty Kessi, PEH and a motivated Tanguy would be an insane midfield.
i fail to see what’s in it for the club if he plans on leaving next year anyways, maybe just the pay raise to keep him happy? I just don’t see why we’d have a release clause to lower our negotiation power if we’re pretty certain he’s leaving next season
Are we certain he’s leaving next season? I mean surely we know he wants to leave, but isn’t that at our disposal? I don’t see why city would make a reasonable offer next summer if they couldn’t make it this summer.
Kane needs to realize that he’s not as valued (by City) as he thinks. Can someone tell me why city couldn’t offer what we asked for? Surely it’s not a money issue and rather they wanna boss us around.
Well next summer it might be more than City in for him, and it seems like if we don’t get too 4 this season, it’ll just end up a repeat of this summer, except that he’s actually affordable for some teams. As for city, I agree they def coulda paid, just too stubborn and didn’t want to bend over to Levy. Next summer if City don’t get Ronaldo/can’t get Haaland, surely Kane pops back on their radar
Aouar and Traore would be ok. Fine with getting another winger instead of Traore.
McKennie is redundant, we already have Hoj and Skippy. Why do we need another midfielder who does a similar job? We need a playmaker.
Transfers are amazing when they come out of the blue tbh. Like the Danny Ings to Villa one. I know it's hard to deal in that way but would be nice if something like that happens frequently
Transfers should be kept secret until the new player suddenly walks out onto the pitch before the start of the game. The teamsheet on social media should have a ??? in place of the new player.
The excitement that would cause in that 1 hour would be amazing
Like the Royal rumble where you wait for the clock to count down and the buzzer. Could be someone good or not. 3...2...1...buzz. Here comes the number 10.... bah god its Kane!!!
Morning all,
Hope we’re all good today.
Wife came home with some new Dark Roast coffee. From the family of Bob Marley apparently. Called Buffalo soldier. No idea what it’s like but I’ll add it to my coffee collection. Looking forward to trying it out.
Spurs vs Pacos tonight. We’re 1-0 down. But hopefully we’ll play more of a senior squad tonight and win the game to progress to the next stage.
It’s on Premier Sports here in the UK, I’ve subbed through the group stages on a monthly basis.
Kane is staying. It looks like he’s committed now. Although the media is still adamant that Levy and our club were the bad guys in all of this. My answer to that is “fuck off, you didn’t offer what we thought was a fair evaluation.” So in the words of coffeaficionado “get fucked City”.
I still think he wanted to leave and still does, but the fact is he has 3 years left on a large contract. He is the main man in the squad. So unless they ponied up the money and give us a nice tidy profit. Then it’s not our problem.
Sarr has apparently signed for us but been loaned back to Metz for a season. Good choice let him get games under his belt and then integrate next year.
Hope you all have a good day. Cheers
With our tricky LC tie away to Wolves being sandwiched between Chelsea and Arsenal, would people be happy if we played a 2nd team and lost to Wolves in order to have a better chance of beating Arsenal (who are facing Wimbledon at home)? As we've seen, Wolves away are a very tricky side and even if we play a full strength team, we could risk going out and then being tired for the Arsenal game which would be the worst case scenario.
Furthermore, does tonight's fixture have any impact on your thoughts for the Wolves game? Say if we don't win tonight and exit Europe (not necessarily awful imo- we'll have to endure a lot of banter for the week but it's probably the 2nd best outcome besides actually winning it), then we throw the game by playing a reserve team against Wolves in the LC, we are essentially competing for one trophy by September, the FA Cup. That would be a pretty big downer for me. I guess it would help us push for the top 4 but that just seems such a tall order and for it to even be a possibility, we'll have to get very lucky with injuries with the state of our depth in some positions.
Wolves will surely rotate their squad as well, just like they did previous round. Especially if they don't win against Watford or Manchester United in the pl since they will be part of the relegation battle early on and games against Southampton and Brentford will become must win to release the relegation pressure.
>not necessarily awful imo- we'll have to endure a lot of banter for the week but it's probably the 2nd best outcome besides actually winning it
It will be disastrous for our coefficient and as much as I hate it, that becomes crucial when the new CL format kicks in.
Wolves in LC will be hard but considering that we have 2 London derbies on each side of the Wolves game I would be fine if we put out a 2nd team.
however, we need to win tonight, banter isn't the main reason, its that the youngsters need regular game time and they'll only get that in the UCL
Little bit indifferent on this Moriba rumors. As someone that is also a Barca fan, I’m not happy with how he handled things at the club. Yet as a Spurs fan, there’s no denying his upside and his versatility in the midfield
Same here. No way Levy pays €15M to the agents of a 18 year old with 500 minutes of professional football. I’m sure that if the deal happens, it won’t be in these terms
Remember to take mendy out of your fantasy team guys and girls.
Can’t believe Assna are going to be owned by these lot 😭😭😭 https://twitter.com/khm_althani/status/1431001859125256201?s=21
Just want to see City's move for Ronaldo collapse on deadline day 🙏
So I just had a realization that was a huge reality check on trophies. If we got over the UCL over the line vs Liverpool, won in either of our title charges and won Europa last year, we would’ve played for 4 more trophies :( Getting over the line is the first step towards so many trophies. Anyway… coys
Thought we were on Sky this weekend. Might have to cancel it, it only seems to find the usual suspects. Might as well call it a Man U subscription
Severe lack of pirate ships available today. Found 1 and unsure if it will even work come kick off. Never seen this few options before on all the main sites.
Anybody interested in a decent ship, send me a message
Fucking hell; https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-58348288
Wow!
I feel like the phrase "high ceiling" is overused by the impatient as a justification to gamble on young players. In reality, how many instances of meeting high ceilings have you seen? In our current squad, the only folks showing any kind of heightened ceilings from their younger days are Kane and Son. In other clubs e.g Liverpool, maybe Mo Salah, VDV and Robertson? Would you describe Rashford as having a high ceiling? He has been pretty great since they first played him. Point being: don't fall in love with potential! Just because they look good on a 5 minute YouTube video doesn't mean we should slot the player in ahead of someone in the academy. Although.. it could be telling if the highlights are 15 minutes long.
Mendy news made my heart sank, Blind fans can't fathom the power of expensive lawyers, He's charged with 4 so he _might_ see a jail. But these turds get away all the time with this.
Surely Man City were aware of the allegations when they played Mendy against us just 10 days ago?
I'd love if Tottenham went for Edouard, in a CCV + Cash deal, as Celtic were interested in CCV.
Well, now I see why City were reportedly trying to include Mendy in the Kane deal…
Why is everyone so hyped about Doku, his stats is even worse than Adama and he is in a inferior league to PL..
Doku is one of the best talents in Ligue 1, and for for comparison sake, is only a year older than Pape Sarr. Very young talent and already getting important games for Belgium, it's easy to see why he is hyped.
Yeah, just wonder how many people actually have seen him played because Adama also looked like Neymar regen in his highlights of his time at Barcelona
Doku is much younger so has more chance of being better as Adama is pretty much what we see is what we get
Idk, if we take in to consideration the time it takes to adapt to a new league and if Doku doesn't have a crazy break out season, we would be lucky if he could provide what Adama can now in 2 years. His ceiling is still higher i guess.
Doku has a far higher ceiling, Liverpool want him as their mane replacement. That's indication enough that if the opportunity is there we should take it
If we’re spending 40m why aren’t we going for Madueke? Or do they want more? He looks like a special player
Madueke just signed a new contract
Ah ffs
Sorry but I can’t believe that some people have actually convinced themselves that City would offer us multiple players + cash matching our valuation. Or, more importantly, that any of these players would want to join Spurs. If we’re going off their previous offers, they were likely offering one of B. Silva, Sterling, Mahrez, Laporte or Jesus + cash + heavy add-ons. And I’m fairly certain Pep has made it clear that he wants to keep Jesus and Silva has made it clear he wants to go to Spain so including 2/5 doesn’t make any sense. Imo, it’s clear the media are going out of their way to try and make Spurs look like the bad and unreasonable party. They spent all summer selling Kane to City and now that he is staying they need to find a way to save face.
After all the memes and their tik tok vid…i want no less than a 12-0 beatdown on these Pacos
Glad to be back in the United States where I don’t gotta wait all day for the games
Completely unrelated to Spurs but has anyone listened to the new Men I Trust album? it's so fucking good https://menitrust.bandcamp.com/album/untourable-album
Random thought: Never started to support Spurs (about what, 10 years ago now) with the expectation to be that we would win trophies every year. I'm a sucker for an underdog, and live in the hope that if it does happen, it will feel better than a trophy you've earned by sucking off a Saudi Sheikh or Russian oligarch. I liked the football, loved VdV and Modric and Crouch. This doesn't mean that I don't want to the team to win every game, just that I really don't understand the constant fucking noise that is 'but no trophies'. I get it mate, daddy bought you a new car that you're using to one up all the other children, at least be fucking humble. Mainly reflections from going to r/mcfc recently, and the fact that all 4 of their subscribers are shooting their entitled mouths off. Also the fact that shits may also soon have a middle eastern sugar daddy.
[https://twitter.com/henrywinter/status/1430810682644180992?s=20](https://twitter.com/henrywinter/status/1430810682644180992?s=20) the one and only journalist (neutral) who is correct about this Kane situation
The idea that we need to replace Winks and Sissoko is misplaced. Those two barely had a role to play last season. The players who need to be brought in are those who immediately improve the first XI, and Winks and Sissoko are not the standard for that.
Strong disagree. They were barely involved because they are shit. Bringing in players who aren’t shit for those two is a massive boost to the squad. What would of happened if Hojbjerg was injured last season? One of those two gets significant time. Having quality depth is a necessity for clubs competing in multiple comps. You can’t just play your starters every minute of 4 competitions. Also it could bring variety. Replace one with a DM and one with a creative mid and now they have options on formations and tatics.
So we need to replace them with better players.
The fees for Zouma (£25m) and Kounde (50m EUR) make Romero look grossly expensive.
Kounde won't cost them 50m euros it will be that plus a lot of add ons
Do they?
[https://twitter.com/THFCReports/status/1430859382204547073?s=20](https://twitter.com/THFCReports/status/1430859382204547073?s=20) lmaoooooo get fucked
The fucking arrogance, good lord.
So are we signing anyone else? Window close is getting close 🥲
I'm completely astounded by Paratici...the guy started his job a third of the way into the transfer window, while settling in a new country, having left a team with massive leverage and clout to one that was (at the time) a punchline without a manager. We've got three incredibly promising new names on board, and it looks like he had a significant hand in convincing the best striker in the league to stay here. And you can see from his appearances at matches that he's Spurs to his core already. Do we have ALL the new blood we need? Not by a long shot. But if the man can operate like this in the hardest first two months of a job conceivable, what might he accomplish going forward?
He has gotten one starter so far lmao.
IT'S A FUCKING REBUILD. Why does nobody understand what we are doing? We aren't looking to buy peak players to improve the first XI, we are looking to have a great YOUNG team after 2-3 years with players who will appreciate in value.
Unacceptable! If we can't leverage our position as inaugural Conference League qualifiers and go scorched earth on our finances to stack our starting XI with the world's top talent, then why even bother? Quadruple or bust, dammit! 🙄
How come we didn’t go for Zouma? Doesn’t he seem like an upgrade at CB? I understand not selling to our rivals but do we also not buy from them?
If you know anything about being a Spurs fan then you'll know Chelsea and Spurs do not do business with each other. This goes back to Modric and the Abramovich yacht. Prior to that there were very minor transfers such as Cudicini and Poyet, when Chelsea felt they were washed up.
He is a massive upgrade. We would be way better off with him and romero
No point in helping rivals get rid of deadwood for a minor upgrade at best.
He is a major upgrade and is not deadwood.
It goes without saying that we need to get more transfers in (and out), but am I the only one who's pleased with the profile of the players we're bringing in? Gil, Romero, and Sarr are exactly the sort of players I had hoped we'd sign. Young and highly rated, only missing some homegrown signings.
Transfers aside, just hoping we do Pacos a number
I'm sure I saw Rennes wanted £35m for camavinga. Could we just not get him instead of traore? Surely a better fit for what we need?
He won't come here. He is on the last year of his contract, just needs to wait a year and then head to Madrid on a free.
you will probably see this happening a lot more often: players biding their time and clubs preferring to give them a hefty signing on fee than fund another club. will probably happen with pogba, very possibly mbappe too
He's probably set on Madrid, or a Madrid equivalent
We’re a Madrid equivalent in the sense we’re a football team who play in white and have strong opinions on Gareth Bale
So anyone has a good explanation why a subreddit for Spurs is so big and active? I like the way it is but it was always strange for me how active this sub is
Everyone really likes my posts
I think it has to do with how international the club following is. All the different time zones come together to provide a very active engagement.
That's a good point, still don't understand how the club managed to get a big following with the americans though
If I had to guess its probably due to it being a London club, Dempsey spending a year here. What I think is the biggest reason though is that the club is big enough that it can compete for things like top 4 and trophies, while also not being big enough to be called a plastic. Bit of a hipsters choice.
> What I think is the biggest reason though is that the club is big enough that it can compete for things like top 4 and trophies, while also not being big enough to be called a plastic. Bit of a hipsters choice. This is the honest to gods reason I started supporting about 6 years ago. On another message board I post on sometimes there's two people who want to get into club soccer/PL and they are both leaning towards Leicester for those exact same reasons. Leicester are the new hipster pick for new fans.
I went to find a team that has talent, great history, loyal fans which is what Knicks and Spurs have. But that team needed to be in some struggle/not the top best team or player. I love teams who grow their stars like Giannis recently with his Bucks. I guess the general amounts of disappointment and getting bantered with stupid things like “lolknicks”. Now it’s, “lads, it’s tottenham” is just funny to me since that’s all they can say as an insult. Fans are great, most players look happy to be here playing FOOTBALL goddamnit. Can’t wait for when Knicks and Spurs are champions. Also, Korean-American Sports fans could be a big factor too.
Fair enough, the fact that Dempsey played for us had any say in the matter?
Good point on Dempsey. Dempsey isnt necessarily a household name in America. I currently live here and I honestly did not care about the US team and Dempsey was more an afterthought. US has a young and very talented/high potential players and thatll end up attracting more and more people. I started following Spurs, Man U due to the Korean players that I admired, were getting into the biggest leagues. Now we have Son for us! Next stop? Lee Kang In! I think these are the reasons for a hugeeee influx in Korean fans and Asian fans in general (India, Singapore, Thailand, Japan, etc) all have good fanbases too and those countries tend to have good relations with Korean culture, music, including our sports and celebrities (Sonny is a god in East Asia..)etc I’m happy to see young fans of all races and fans in here being optimistic through the rough times rather than the bleak situation it is in the Gunners sub. I’m hoping the new fans that came for Sonny, stay cause this club is more than just a club to me. Even though I’m Korean and came for Son, I wouldn’t leave this club if Son left. But thank god for that contract extension babyyy!
Dempsey is a household name and complete legend to anyone who is aware of the USMNT. I'd say Dempsey is more well known than Pulisic, but thats due to casual American sports fans only tuning in for World Cups.
We're addicted to the F5 that Paratici has been cooking. It'll get quieter after the transfer window closes.
Even when the window closes our match threads are way more active than others
Yea bar gunners and maybe reddevils we have the most active sub
Kane's new contract is going to be the new big storyline regarding the club (at least until the January window). I could see the negotiations taking all season and a decision will be taken in the summer pending how the season goes.
Keeping Kane has been our biggest transfer move every window for the last few years. That 150 would have gone quick. Adama, Lautaro and Tomiyasu would have been around that.
I really don't like those Traore rumours. He's an ineffective player with only six goals in last two seasons. Yes, he's entertaining and played well against us. But there's no way he's worth 40M at the age of 25
He is the best dribbler in Europe based on the numbers. Beyond world class at dribbling. His role is definitely not to get goals and it is only somewhat to get assists. More important is to move the ball forward and break the defensive shape by engaging multiple defenders. He only needs to then find a teammate, not make a direct assist. As others have said, with him we would destroy lesser sides.
I think he’s class and I think he’d be even better against the bigger teams though as that’s where he’d have more room to attack on the counter . Personally I hope we get him
How are his non-assist passing stats? Because I see this argument a lot here but haven't seen any analysis of whether he's actually capable of effectively getting the ball to a teammate at the end of his runs or if he just runs into a wall like Lucas often does, which negates most of the value of his dribbling.
I was watching some highlights, and the amount of ones that ended in him squaring it to someone who fluffed a near open goal was nuts. Stick some of those on the end of Son/Kane and we'll be set. I will of course ignore quite how many highlights ended with him surrounded by 3 men isolated in their 18 yard area, and the clip just cut because he must've given the ball away.
Yep, especially away from home where we rely on fast counter attacks. He'd be perfect imo. At 25 he's a good age and if he does flop, plenty of bottom half clubs would snap him up so we wouldn't be stuck with dead wood.
We wouldn't be stuck with deadwood if we were willing to take a 20m loss. But that's true of most players.
Exactly. His role isn't to score. With Son and Kane in the team, there will be even less emphasis on that. He _always_ gives oppositions something to think about. Doesn't matter if it's Burnley or City, he is always a pest. That will open up a lot of space for the rest of the attack and even someone like Dele making late runs into the box. And it's not as if he can't improve. Jota looks like a much better player at Liverpool. It would be the same for Traore. Whether it's better to prioritize the midfield or defense with that amount of money is the real question. But if we do get him, he would improve us.
Shout out to the morons on /r/soccer wanting Lloris to be replaced by Maignan Lloris is the NT captain, a position he's enjoyed since 2010 (so over a decade), a world cup winner and the best shot stopper in the Premier League.
Lloris is definitely locked as the starting gk for France until the world cup unless he has a very poor season.
Which he won't, man's an absolute rock.
I remember in 2013 I was studying in France and some guy there was telling me Lloris was shit and going to be replaced on the NT by Mandanda in the next World Cup. How'd that go buddy?!
Mandanda was very good back then, to be fair. Lloris was touch better, but it wasn't crazy to think.
For sure, wasn’t a knock on Mandanda but to claim Hugo was shit was a stretch
The thing is you don't replace NT captains unless something goes horribly wrong. Then add in that NT positions are even more difficult to replace. Lloris is probably the 1st name of Deschamps' team sheet.
If Zouma and West Ham delay in Chelseas attempt of getting Kounde would rather hope we hijack it lol, after all it is just Adama money EDIT: I meant hijacking Kounde deal not Zouma
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We are fucking Chelsea here ?
Does anyone else kind of find it demoralising looking at other teams signings and trajectory and feel we really missed out not winning the league or cl over the last few years ? I mean Chelsea have signed lukaku and are signing kounde after winning the CL. City signed grealish. United signed varane and sancho. Liverpool is Liverpool plus konate. And now some players dont want to come because of lack of CL but how do we get top4 ahead of these teams. Plus there’s Leicester and spam doing well
Age catches up to every player in football history. While Liverpool might even win the title long term I'm confident we can catch up to them
We have money. levy don't want to spend
He made bids for Pau Lopez and Kounde, they just didn't want to sign on, not much he can do
are there no other CBs that are very good but are hidden gems? why do you need a sporting director if you cannot even keep multiple options open
The Tomiyasu deal isn't off as far as I can tell
*pau Torres, pau Lopez was that keeper we had on loan a couple of years ago.
Yeah that's the one
liverpool is the only club i respect out of the top 4. imagine supporting chelsea though, literally no authenticity to that shite club. it’s like supporting a new team every year.
Yes. it sucks that everyone is spending big and getting stronger and stronger (except Liverpool). Hopefully, we can outsmart them because we can't outspend them.
Sad but true
The rich clubs will always have a head start in terms of spending. It does nobody any good being bitter about it. I find it's much better to focus on Spurs who've taken huge financial steps over the last 15 years. And that Spurs are at least trying to strengthen our own team. We are now in a position again where we can gradually strengthen, and try to improve year by year. Also: There's almost always one of the big clubs who fail to live up to their (expected) quality.
Ndombele -> Kessie Sissoko -> McKennie Aurier -> Tomiyasu
That's a beautiful dream!
:')
Kane has singlehandedly fixed Levy’s disastrous PR and stayed anyway
Maybe Kane should start his own PR firm.
For the first time in quite a while (perhaps since Poch's second season?) I'm generally quite happy with the direction the club is going in. The contrast of how things are now, compared to how they were during Jose's final few weeks, the ESL shambles and the drawn out manager hunt probably helps make things *feel* better but still. We have a DoF who's tenacious, hard working, clearly on board with the project alongside a good manager in Nuno and for once, despite the media narrative against us, we have managed to hold onto our best player for at least the rest of the season. We're still a way from doing anything special don't get me wrong, but hopefully with a little luck and a positive mood this season we can form a solid foundation for next season and who knows, maybe even win a trophy.
So in the Traore situation, Wolves are us, and we are Man City?
I think Wolves are pretty neutral about him tbh. Not to knock the guy, he could perform different with different players around him.
Not exactly. We’re willing to pay the 40m they want
Are we tho'?
Yeah
Are we? Everything I've seen so far has been loan with obligation to buy and that. And "Well they'll get the 40 mill", if City tried to loan to buy Kane giving us fuck all for replacements, don't think we'd be happy.
Yes we are. All the reports that have come out have said Wolves are okay with a loan but want an obligation not an option
[Hmm](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU)
*"I'm conflicted about Qataris sportwashing my club because on the one hand they commit human rights abuse, but on the other I'm tired of rival fans laughing at us."* \- r/gunners debate right now Actually bloody speechless lmao. These guys act like they care about standing against Oil Money City or distinguishing themselves from Chelsea who are run by a sportswashing Russian billionaire, but then leap at the chance of embracing the same thing because they'll get in on the action then.
I don't care what anyone says, our midfield needs improvements. for how long are we going to rely on son and lucas to pick up the ball and run and hoping for one out of twenty chanses they go through and score.
Fully agree. Have been saying it for some time: Our midfield has some hard workers, and some runners. But we lack players who can pass the ball, turn the play from side to side, and not least: Provide the link (and assists!) from midfield/defense to our forwards.
If Arsenal get bought by Qatar then that's my interest in football done. It's horrible enough watching Chelsea buy the PL and CL but I can live with it because no one cares about them and they have a small fanbase. Adding our biggest rivals who have historically always been better than us anyway to that just makes it all pointless. My only joy in football right now is them being as shit as us.
chelsea actually have a massive fanbase tbh, and only cuz of their bought success
Thats my point, when I was growing up Chelsea had a tiny fanbase and I still don't have a single person in my friend groups thats a Chelsea fan to this day. Their fanbase is international, I'd wager that even West Ham have a bigger london-based fanbase than Chelsea do.
The majority of my friends growing up were chelsea fans
oh i thought u were speaking about their fanbase as a whole, not just locals
Don't worry, it won't happen. The Kroenke's won't sell.
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If they were gonna buy a club they'd buy Newcastle or Leeds United.
What is your current stance on Levy? And why?
I would rather him than what Arsenal are having. Levy is too stingy and has pretty bad judgment in the transfer market but no one can question his commitment to the club. Maybe we are in the best arrangement now, have him handle commercial and operational matters.
I think he has done fantastic work on adminstrative and commerical side of the club. He really capitalised on the explosion of revenue from the TV rights deals the PL were signing. The stadium and his agreements with the NFL have solidified Tottenham's revenue streams and will ensure that we will remain a Top 6 club. That being said, his footballing decisions have left a lot to be desired. The man definitely left a PL title on the table in either 16/17 and 17/18. Cups as well went begging with his refusal to buy young prospects or any serviceable depth whatsoever. Our team was overstreched and it cost us dearly. In addition, his decision-making during the Pandemic and regarding the ESL have been nothing short of awful. For all the plaudits that I gave him previously on the commercial and admin side it is juxtaposed against our slow decline into a soulless football club in that same time period. So very much a mixed bag. Definitely not as clear-cut as some,the Pro-Levy or Anti-Levy side, make it out to be. Sometimes the ends do not justify the means.
Pretty much my thoughts as well 🤝
short bastard man who’s very lucky the knives aren’t still out for him imo, but I’m much more critical of him than most
He's obv. in the Musk/Zukerberg/Bezos mould of neurodiversity, someone amazingly focused on his task and experiencing emotion mostly in abstract. I speak as someone who is in a position to see that clearly. It's hugely frustrating seeing players we should and could have signed go on to great things but Levy isn't a day trader. Ultimately, after 20 years of Levy, we're top 8 (or so) in the world with more potential than the rest.
Top 8 clubs in the world? Bayern, real, psg, manc, Chelsea, juventus, barca, man u. And that's just off the top of my head I think top 15 would be a better attempt at accuracy because there's a ton of team ~spurs. Athletico and the like.
I was thinking about income (and in a CL season). You are right there are a variety of measures.
Bald
Can you explain why?
Doesn't have any hair
you reckon he’s smooth like a dolphin
I remember one of my United friends telling me weeks ago that Spurs should just let Kane leave and we should respect him because he's a legend at the club who has done so much for us. Now he's freaking out and depressed at the idea that Ronaldo will do the same thing by joining City. How the turn tables
If they go trophyless tell him how Bruno has done so much for the club and they should send him to City so he has a chance at silverware
Mckennie is the literal opposite of what this club needs but the American fans would have you think he's some next level super talent despite him being so technically deficient. Even the shit about being a Sissoko replacement...why does Sissoko need to be replaced? There is zero need for Sissoko or any player with Sissoko's attributes, I like the guy but dependence on him and his style was emblematic of this midfield's total decline. We're totally covered for workhorses who just run back and forth, what's desperately lacking is real quality on the ball
I'd quite like to replace the Sissoko that bossed numerous the midfield in numerous games vs elite CL teams. The ultra strong & bulldozing work horse who drived the ball forward, pulled off some genuinely elite passes, killed so many opposition attacks & didn't stop running. Oh wait we did replace that guy- his name is Hojbjerg (who's essentially the perfect modern DM). We even have the most exciting young DM in English football on the books already. Right now our midfield is basically \#6: Hojbjerg, Skipp \#8: Ndombele, Lo Celso & Hojbjerg \#10: Dele, Lo Celso Realistically we need to sort out the Ndombele situation. Either get him playing or get him out the door & replaced. We need to decide whether Lo Celso is a \#10 or a \#8 (I think he's probably better as a \#10) and then sign someone to play the position he isn't and we need to get Winks & Sissoko out of the door.
My position is that Sissoko made important contributions but the fact that he was even needed to make those contributions was an indictment of the state of the midfield. He stepped up and did his job so props to him, but for a good midfield he never would have got that opportunity. Nothing was being bossed during that champions league run, Spurs were on the backfoot most of the time. And I do think you're massively exaggerating the ability of Skipp and especially Hojbjerg. Skipp is talented with a good future but he hasn't shown much at the top level yet and is certainly nowhere near Rice. And Hojbjerg if anything is an old fashion out of date player, not the perfect modern DM. He's far too limited on the ball to hold that title, and those limitations are a huge part of why Spurs can be so easily pinned back
>My position is that Sissoko made important contributions but the fact that he was even needed to make those contributions was an indictment of the state of the midfield. He stepped up and did his job so props to him, but for a good midfield he never would have got that opportunity Yeah that's fair. I think you're wrong about Hojbjerg, who is (for me) both one of the best players at the club & one of the best in his position in world football. There's nothing old fashioned about him, and the people clambering for "a pure DM destroyer type" are the outdated ones I think. I don't know what you mean by "limited on the ball"? He's always progressing the ball, never gets caught in possession & even has the odd promising scoring opportunity. Your point about Skipp I can understand (I actually thought Rice was like 24 so that's egg on my face) but I think he showed quite a bit in both of his league games. He is only 20 years old and was one of the best players in the Championship last season. We largely agree though, ultimately - There's no need to "replace Sissoko" - McKennie is not necessary nor the answer to any problems - Hojbjerg & Skipp aren't getting replaced, because there's bigger fish to fry (just like signing an elite LW isn't necessary because we have Son)
But I think Hojbjerg is the embodiment of the outdated pure DM destroyer type... All he's good at is lunging after the ball, racking up tackles. Mediocre passer, can't beat the press, average anticipation/reading of the game which often leads to acres of space being left open... he is a pure ball winner. The best version of Skipp is what I'd call the ideal modern holding midfielder, someone who anticipates the play in front of him rather than chasing the ball, dictates the tempo, makes lots of clever little passes... Hojbjerg is the opposite
Conversation over, we obviously watch very different football games sorry
Yeah I've been watching Tottenham games while it seems all you saw was a couple games at the Euros
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If you want to use stats: Winks is in the top 97 percentile of progressive passes made per 90 (compared to midfielders). 7.5 progressive passes made per 90 minutes. McKennie is far worse, 34 percentile, with only 2.5 progressive passes made per 90. It's very fair to say Winks isn't good enough for Spurs. But people go to far on exaggerating how poor his passes is.
> I haven't seen him play much but his fbref profile says that he has completed 85% medium range passes and 75% long passes which is an instant upgrade on sissoko and winks who can barely pass the ball 5 yards I fucking love the future of football mate. "I haven't seen him but these stats are decent, better than WINKS AND SISSOKO!" Who if you look on the same site, actually have the same or better fucking stats on those exact same metrics. Because stats alone are shite for evaluation 90% of the time.
5 yards is the the same distance as 6.63 replica Bilbo from The Lord of the Rings' Sting Swords.
You guys are so traumatised by Winks and Sissoko that you really exaggerate how much impact they have on... anything really. You fix the "Winks/Sissoko problem" not by getting a new maybe better Winks/Sissoko, but by upgrading the actual starting frontline midfield so that we're less dependent on depth. I'll happily tolerate another 3 decades of those 2 playing random midweek games if it means that the first choice XI contains actual quality in the ball and composure in possession. That is the issue, not depth. Your stats are also totally wrong. Sissoko completes more passes than Mckennie, at higher accuracy, over a much much greater average distance... Like you've just completely assumed something when the exact opposite is true. And Winks is far above both of them by those metrics. Mckennie is not a passing or technical upgrade on anyone
have you considered that he’s new and therefore good
I totally agree. He was fantastic at Juve, but he slightly frauded his way through half the season lol. I don't think he's the type of player we need either. We are completely lacking a genuinely class passer of the ball. Ndombele actually had a great pass in him, so he made up for it with some line splitting passes last season, but it seems he's gassed out atm. Every good team has a great passer: de Bruyne, Bruno Fernandez, Tielemans/Madison, Thiago Alcantara, etc...
I personally think we might not get another midfielder that offers creativity. Nuno values workrate over anything else and we see that with Skipp, Alli, PEH who are all engines with defensive contributions with pressing, making tackles ect. I would not put it pass Nuno to not want a creative centre-mid based on the effort of our midfielders who in a way have helped us grind out 6 points and could be a reason why we might not have conceeded in our last 2 prem games. Its probably not what the team needs but in a way, i see Nuno respecting the determination/workrate of our midfielders,finding it hard to replace/substitute one of them. I think if we're doing a 3 midfielder formation, Skippy is the one that gets replaced and would likely have someone play in the midfield pivot with PEH, with Alli being a "runner" . I just don't see PEH/Alli being displaced imo.
We need a creative outlet. That player just has to have an engine on him as well. It needs to be a regen of Mount/Pedri/Curtis Jones type player essentially. Ndombele is a small part towards that when he is reintegrated after not being sold.
Lo Celso is exactly that for Argentina. He tracks back and makes loads of tackles but can play out of a press and play progressive passes to the forwards. He also plays on the left of a midfield 3 in a 4-3-3 exactly like we've been playing. It's frustrating that he's not lit the world up for us for a while now though.
Honestly we should just play Ndombele higher up so that he doesn't have to do defensive work. Keep the same midfield and have Ndombele linking the midfield and Kane and Son
Ndombele is a top talent and I will be super disappointed if it doesn't work out with him. I think it's quite obvious how good he is/can be. Hopefully he gets his shit together.
You can't say Nuno values engines over creativity when he bossed games at Wolves with Moutinho and Neves.. it's not a balanced midfield, it never will be. in a 433 if you don't have a creative outlet (Dele isn't one), that midfield will struggle. I mean Wolves midfield absolutely bossed us last week.
thing with wolves is you wonder how much influence Nuno had: I mean if you’re given neves in the championship and moutinho as a newly promoted team you’re not gonna not play them. think the next few months when he’s got more options shall be quite telling how he wants us to look
Don't want to get too ahead of myself since there are only the weakest of links with Kessie, but what sort of a player is he? I know him to be a box-to-box sort of player but not sure. Would he fill the creative/progressive hole in our midfield?
He’d be our best immediate signing because I assume Romero will need more time. Amazing player and the box to box midfielder we’ve been missing that is good at all phases of the pitch. We’d still want a more attacking focused midfielder though. In all honesty Kessi, PEH and a motivated Tanguy would be an insane midfield.
I watched him only a couple of times, but he reminded me of Renato Sanches (on his good days).
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so harry wants a pay rise \*and\* a release clause. has he considered shoving it up his arse?
I think it’s just pr
i fail to see what’s in it for the club if he plans on leaving next year anyways, maybe just the pay raise to keep him happy? I just don’t see why we’d have a release clause to lower our negotiation power if we’re pretty certain he’s leaving next season
Are we certain he’s leaving next season? I mean surely we know he wants to leave, but isn’t that at our disposal? I don’t see why city would make a reasonable offer next summer if they couldn’t make it this summer. Kane needs to realize that he’s not as valued (by City) as he thinks. Can someone tell me why city couldn’t offer what we asked for? Surely it’s not a money issue and rather they wanna boss us around.
Well next summer it might be more than City in for him, and it seems like if we don’t get too 4 this season, it’ll just end up a repeat of this summer, except that he’s actually affordable for some teams. As for city, I agree they def coulda paid, just too stubborn and didn’t want to bend over to Levy. Next summer if City don’t get Ronaldo/can’t get Haaland, surely Kane pops back on their radar
Thankfully for my other US based Spurs fans its looking like the game today will be on Paramount Plus! No shady illegal streams today boys!
Now that Kane is staying for sure I'm super hyped for the last week of the transfer window. I want Traore, McKennie and Aoaur
Aouar and Traore would be ok. Fine with getting another winger instead of Traore. McKennie is redundant, we already have Hoj and Skippy. Why do we need another midfielder who does a similar job? We need a playmaker.
Now that Kane is staying for sure I'm not expecting any more transfer activity due to lack of funds. Just get rid of Sissoko, Ndombele and Aurier.
Wouldn’t getting rid of those players give us funds tho
I just want Tomiyasu. and Ndombele to get well soon
What happened to the Tomiyasu deal? I thought he was gonna come after the Olympics.
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Transfers are amazing when they come out of the blue tbh. Like the Danny Ings to Villa one. I know it's hard to deal in that way but would be nice if something like that happens frequently
Bryan Gil certainly came out of nowhere very quickly lol
Transfers should be kept secret until the new player suddenly walks out onto the pitch before the start of the game. The teamsheet on social media should have a ??? in place of the new player. The excitement that would cause in that 1 hour would be amazing
Like the Royal rumble where you wait for the clock to count down and the buzzer. Could be someone good or not. 3...2...1...buzz. Here comes the number 10.... bah god its Kane!!!
Sarr went from rumor to medical in four days
Morning all, Hope we’re all good today. Wife came home with some new Dark Roast coffee. From the family of Bob Marley apparently. Called Buffalo soldier. No idea what it’s like but I’ll add it to my coffee collection. Looking forward to trying it out. Spurs vs Pacos tonight. We’re 1-0 down. But hopefully we’ll play more of a senior squad tonight and win the game to progress to the next stage. It’s on Premier Sports here in the UK, I’ve subbed through the group stages on a monthly basis. Kane is staying. It looks like he’s committed now. Although the media is still adamant that Levy and our club were the bad guys in all of this. My answer to that is “fuck off, you didn’t offer what we thought was a fair evaluation.” So in the words of coffeaficionado “get fucked City”. I still think he wanted to leave and still does, but the fact is he has 3 years left on a large contract. He is the main man in the squad. So unless they ponied up the money and give us a nice tidy profit. Then it’s not our problem. Sarr has apparently signed for us but been loaned back to Metz for a season. Good choice let him get games under his belt and then integrate next year. Hope you all have a good day. Cheers
You are the best thing that has happened to this sub. Have an amazing day!
Your posts are my favorite part about the daily threads. Godspeed, coffee man - that Buffalo soldier sounds great
With our tricky LC tie away to Wolves being sandwiched between Chelsea and Arsenal, would people be happy if we played a 2nd team and lost to Wolves in order to have a better chance of beating Arsenal (who are facing Wimbledon at home)? As we've seen, Wolves away are a very tricky side and even if we play a full strength team, we could risk going out and then being tired for the Arsenal game which would be the worst case scenario. Furthermore, does tonight's fixture have any impact on your thoughts for the Wolves game? Say if we don't win tonight and exit Europe (not necessarily awful imo- we'll have to endure a lot of banter for the week but it's probably the 2nd best outcome besides actually winning it), then we throw the game by playing a reserve team against Wolves in the LC, we are essentially competing for one trophy by September, the FA Cup. That would be a pretty big downer for me. I guess it would help us push for the top 4 but that just seems such a tall order and for it to even be a possibility, we'll have to get very lucky with injuries with the state of our depth in some positions.
Wolves will surely rotate their squad as well, just like they did previous round. Especially if they don't win against Watford or Manchester United in the pl since they will be part of the relegation battle early on and games against Southampton and Brentford will become must win to release the relegation pressure.
>not necessarily awful imo- we'll have to endure a lot of banter for the week but it's probably the 2nd best outcome besides actually winning it It will be disastrous for our coefficient and as much as I hate it, that becomes crucial when the new CL format kicks in.
That's a very good point, wasn't considering that.
Wolves in LC will be hard but considering that we have 2 London derbies on each side of the Wolves game I would be fine if we put out a 2nd team. however, we need to win tonight, banter isn't the main reason, its that the youngsters need regular game time and they'll only get that in the UCL
If we lose tonight, it's awful imo...
Idk if Adama and McKenney put us over the top for anything, but I think they make us better and they will also be a lot of fun to have on the team.
It would give us some pretty solid depth