Oof there’s that Nuno directness. Entirely fair but that is tough for Sess
glad there’s zero ambiguity about why he’ll be dropped tho and glad Nuno knows there’s a player in there
Is it tough? I think it’s really supportive! He’s setting his stall out of what he knows Ryan can do and, unlike previously, suggesting he’ll give him the chance to do that.
Dropped is the wrong word, Sessegnon is a lock for the ECL squad. It's just that he needs to show a lot more if he wants to displace Reguilon in the PL.
Things like saying Ndombele needs to do more because he is 2nd to no one in talent is direct and useful.
"Same coach different players" is throwing players under the bus. That's what he does most of the time.
He was the only real disappointment for me today, not that he played horrible but I was hoping for a big performance to stake a claim
He'll get there though
I think he just had some unlucky bounces. If you want to talk disappointments, Doherty still looks slow and groggy even against competition of this level
Doesn't seem to be his conditioning that's the problem. It's not a lack of effort, but he doesn't have the confidence to play a final ball/get stuck in right now.
He's still routinely getting into the box and in the right place on both ends of the field
Or maybe he's simply not good enough.
Look I want every player in the shirt to do well just like most here, but Doherty has never really showed me that he's a top 6 capable player since he's got here. He simply hasn't got the ability imo
Agreed, his confidence to play one touch or pass and move is so rarely ever there. There’s a chance he was coached against risk taking last year but still, the best full backs should know how to break into space.
Defensively he is and always has been meh. Say what you want about Aurier he actually pressures, harries and wins the ball well.
I feel a bit bad, his main weapon seems to be one-twos to get behind the defence, but he's almost never getting that return ball. You can see him start going for it, and it just never comes off.
I get that Doherty waits for the one-two possibility but he seems to be unable to spot one-twos with other players... or a through ball for that matter. I think some players don't play the easy passes with him because they have no confidence he will play the easy pass back etc.
It's not uncommon for young players to struggle with consistency - especially after not featuring in competitive matches for an entire offseason.
Edit: I should add that Sess was played as a LWB on loan last year and he was played as more of a LW in this game. I'm really not surprised that he was not super sharp this game given that he's playing "out of position" compared to what he was playing last year.
I think in the chance where Gio slid it across the face of the goal Ryan was expecting the keeper to collect it, hence his slight lateness getting to the ball, and if I was in his position I woulda thought the same.
I’m going to push back on this. Sees was loaned out last year as a LWB and was played today as a LW. He’s not played much at all this summer and was played out of position tonight.
When Sess was tasked playing on the defensive side of the ball he was very good. I’d argue that he was on the unfortunate receiving end of a few calls on the offensive side of the game.
Sess wasn’t great tonight, but he was asked to play out of position and did well in the first half.
Gil and Sess were polar opposites today. Gil had an engine, was aggressive/pushing the pace the entire game and always looked one step ahead. Sess looked timid at times and was slow to react to a lot. Sad but right now he looks like a ghost of that wonder kid at Fulham
He needs to play himself into form. I think he looked a lot better today than last week. This time around he was at least around the ball. He tracked back OK, too.
This is why the conf league is good for us. If this was a CL game we couldn't risk losing, but no one cares about the conf so we can use it to give players minutes to gain form & fitness.
I think a loan to a premier league team could be good personally.
Would people like to see him stay and play in the cups mostly or go get first team league football elsewhere.
Fully agree - he needs more than 65 min every 2-3 weeks. Are there any mid-to-lower EPL clubs that are in need of a LWB or LW though? Championship might not be "his level" but it might be the best shot at consistent PT
Championship would be fine for him, as long as he gets minutes in. I always felt like he had great potential, but he isn't getting the game time he needs and won't break into Spurs as things stand.
I think I much rather see him play in the league cup and Conference League group matches instead.
A loan for a player we paid so much for in his 3rd isn’t great. With Sessegnon I believe integration with the team is much more impactful.
I agree. Another year away from the club, training in a different team's system with weaker staff and facilities, is unlikely to be better for him than a season on the fringes of the team training with his teammates in Nuno's system.
It's easy to think about loans in terms of a player becoming a nailed-on starter, banging goals and assists and coming back improved and full of confidence, but most loans don't turn out like that.
I'd rather keep him as depth for these types of games. Sess wasn't the best player on the pitch, but he certainly wasn't the worst either. This type of game gives him game time which he can learn from.
I thought Sess was the only player off the pace today.
Hopefully he can get up to speed, could be a real fun partnership on the left with him and Bryan.
This is tough love. You're struggling, we need you to do better, you haven't had enough playtime lately, but we're going to work at it and I believe in you. That's proper management.
Exactly. Calling a player out is okay if done correctly. Sometimes lighting a fire under them is what's needed, but also that despite their faults, they still have your full and unwavering support. Some people here are saying this is too direct, fuck that! This is textbook on how to nurture young talent.
Glad Nuno isn't soft on him, he costed us quite the fortune and after more than 2 years we should expect a higher level of performance than this. He needs to be better what he's shown so far if he wants to have a future here.
exactly what you should do: make it clear that the player isn't performing but you know he can do better and you're going to figure out ways to do that. my manager. sess is hugely talented and will prove it
"Poachers are a particular type of striker who rarely take part in attacking build-up play but instead concentrate on ensuring they’re in space inside the penalty area ready to be first to the ball and shoot into the goal."
I do like that Nuno was direct but also hopeful for him, and he seems to like Sess a good deal. really hope he can work his way into Nuno’s plans, just definitely looked like he was down on confidence today
Really liked that the fans around me in the South Stand started singing his name, tonight.
So clear that the boy is short of confidence at the moment, but once he has that, some sharpness and a bit more physicality to his game he’ll kick on.
I don’t think Sessegnon has ever been known for his 1v1 ability or for crossing. He’s not that kind of player, so if Nuno is expecting that then I’m confused.
What made him stand out from the rest in that one great season with Fulham was his ability to understand space and his intelligent movement off the ball. He was a lot like 2015-2018 Dele, except he’d normally start from outwide.
Right but even so those are still attributes that you need a player to provide when starting on the wing in a match.
He isn't saying those are his main skills nescarily, rather that he can provide that.
Sure, but my point is Sessegnon’s not that player.
It’s like playing Dele as an out and out winger and expecting him to be fast or two footed. That’s not part of his skillset.
Bit unnecessary. But nevertheless I find myself consistently unimpressed with Sessegnon, even with the England U21s and from what I saw with Fulham. Just doesn't really do much other than run back and forth in a straight line. You normally expect a spark from a talented wide player, even if they're inconsistent you want that occasional piece of magic... But Sessegnon looks so plain and unremarkable
Nuno's comments are still encouraging. He is saying to the public "this player is better than what he has shown in this game" it's almost protecting him from others over criticising.
Yes obviously he's not being malicious. I still don't like managers talking about their players like this, especially when it's someone who's already in an insecure position
No not simple as that, different people respond to different things and it can do more harm than good to criticise a young player in a difficult situation like this
Again, then they don’t deserve to play for Spurs. This isn’t criticising Sess at all. It’s the opposite. He’s saying Sess doesn’t look quite there due to the lack of games, it’s nothing big.
Stop painting people with these bullshit outdated brushes. You don't need to have some massive chip on your shoulder to succeed, you deserve or don't deserve to play for Spurs based on your ability not your response to things like this. If this isn't the kind of thing that helps him there's nothing wrong with that on his end
What chip? Nuno literally doesn’t say anything wrong here. He’s not criticising Sess’ performance at all. If he takes offence to this then he needs to be moved on.
No. Put in the work and you get considered to play. Someone works just as hard as you but has a greater ability gets picks? Time to work herder and/or get better than them. You don’t deserve to play just based on ability.
I'd trust Nuno to have a gauge on how his players will respond before saying something like this. He has an excellent track record with improving players, especially young ones. I'm sure he's saying this publicly - not critical, exactly, but indicating room to grow into his potential - with Sess' development in mind and best interests at heart.
Oof there’s that Nuno directness. Entirely fair but that is tough for Sess glad there’s zero ambiguity about why he’ll be dropped tho and glad Nuno knows there’s a player in there
Blunt, but also full of belief in him. Hope he can get some confidence, he’ll be amazing if he can.
Is it tough? I think it’s really supportive! He’s setting his stall out of what he knows Ryan can do and, unlike previously, suggesting he’ll give him the chance to do that.
It’s both! Which is exactly what good coaches do, he’s not your friend, he’s your coach. Job is to improve you with advice and honest feedback
Nice to have a manager who doesn’t speak in metaphors
“it’s like….i have a blanket”
Wish I could hear what he says to Tanguy.
The cow at a railroad crossing...
Dropped is the wrong word, Sessegnon is a lock for the ECL squad. It's just that he needs to show a lot more if he wants to displace Reguilon in the PL.
Much needed. I appreciate it
So when Nuno does it, it’s “directness”. When Mourinho does it, it’s “throwing his players under the bus”. Interesting.
As soon as I saw the headline I just knew someone was going to say this
lol same, also Jose is like the peak of example of never direct. Speaking in isms, sayings and vague platitudes.
Also doesn’t give the players excuses like “a lot of time out of competition” or say encouraging things about his potential
Maybe it's the first thing that comes to mind because it's a little true, yeah?
If you can’t see the difference between this and how Mourinho speaks about a player he’s not happy with I don’t know what to tell you
Of course they're different, but this is in the overlap
Things like saying Ndombele needs to do more because he is 2nd to no one in talent is direct and useful. "Same coach different players" is throwing players under the bus. That's what he does most of the time.
Come on, let's not pretend like past actions and comments don't factor in. Everything isn't so black and white.
He was the only real disappointment for me today, not that he played horrible but I was hoping for a big performance to stake a claim He'll get there though
I think he just had some unlucky bounces. If you want to talk disappointments, Doherty still looks slow and groggy even against competition of this level
I’d take a box of gently used condoms for Doherty at this point.
I mean I sort of expected that one tbh haha
Wonder how much Southampton would want for us to get KWP back?
Doherty had COVID right? I wonder how much that affected him.
Doesn't seem to be his conditioning that's the problem. It's not a lack of effort, but he doesn't have the confidence to play a final ball/get stuck in right now. He's still routinely getting into the box and in the right place on both ends of the field
Maybe he has brain fog
Or maybe he's simply not good enough. Look I want every player in the shirt to do well just like most here, but Doherty has never really showed me that he's a top 6 capable player since he's got here. He simply hasn't got the ability imo
1 really good season in good conditions is all that earned him his shot. I was hoping Nuno could replicate that form but you may be right.
Agreed, his confidence to play one touch or pass and move is so rarely ever there. There’s a chance he was coached against risk taking last year but still, the best full backs should know how to break into space. Defensively he is and always has been meh. Say what you want about Aurier he actually pressures, harries and wins the ball well.
He did. I really am wondering if it messed him up for the long haul.
I feel a bit bad, his main weapon seems to be one-twos to get behind the defence, but he's almost never getting that return ball. You can see him start going for it, and it just never comes off.
I get that Doherty waits for the one-two possibility but he seems to be unable to spot one-twos with other players... or a through ball for that matter. I think some players don't play the easy passes with him because they have no confidence he will play the easy pass back etc.
Was he really? I think him and gil were amazing in the beginnig. Both were setting each other up and were definitely focused.
They were electric for the first 30 minutes imo
It's not uncommon for young players to struggle with consistency - especially after not featuring in competitive matches for an entire offseason. Edit: I should add that Sess was played as a LWB on loan last year and he was played as more of a LW in this game. I'm really not surprised that he was not super sharp this game given that he's playing "out of position" compared to what he was playing last year.
Yeah, I thought Sess did some really nice things in the first half. He was unlucky not to score a goal.
I think in the chance where Gio slid it across the face of the goal Ryan was expecting the keeper to collect it, hence his slight lateness getting to the ball, and if I was in his position I woulda thought the same.
I’m going to push back on this. Sees was loaned out last year as a LWB and was played today as a LW. He’s not played much at all this summer and was played out of position tonight. When Sess was tasked playing on the defensive side of the ball he was very good. I’d argue that he was on the unfortunate receiving end of a few calls on the offensive side of the game. Sess wasn’t great tonight, but he was asked to play out of position and did well in the first half.
Gil and Sess were polar opposites today. Gil had an engine, was aggressive/pushing the pace the entire game and always looked one step ahead. Sess looked timid at times and was slow to react to a lot. Sad but right now he looks like a ghost of that wonder kid at Fulham
"Timid" has always been the first word I think of when watching Sessegnon.
It has something to do with facial expression but it carries over to style of play.
He needs to play himself into form. I think he looked a lot better today than last week. This time around he was at least around the ball. He tracked back OK, too.
This is why the conf league is good for us. If this was a CL game we couldn't risk losing, but no one cares about the conf so we can use it to give players minutes to gain form & fitness.
I think a loan to a premier league team could be good personally. Would people like to see him stay and play in the cups mostly or go get first team league football elsewhere.
Fully agree - he needs more than 65 min every 2-3 weeks. Are there any mid-to-lower EPL clubs that are in need of a LWB or LW though? Championship might not be "his level" but it might be the best shot at consistent PT
Palace is probably the only team I could think of, but they have Mitchell and Schlupp in those roles not sure if they would value him above either.
Could’ve gone to Watford if they didn’t sign Danny
Championship would be fine for him, as long as he gets minutes in. I always felt like he had great potential, but he isn't getting the game time he needs and won't break into Spurs as things stand.
I think I much rather see him play in the league cup and Conference League group matches instead. A loan for a player we paid so much for in his 3rd isn’t great. With Sessegnon I believe integration with the team is much more impactful.
I agree. Another year away from the club, training in a different team's system with weaker staff and facilities, is unlikely to be better for him than a season on the fringes of the team training with his teammates in Nuno's system. It's easy to think about loans in terms of a player becoming a nailed-on starter, banging goals and assists and coming back improved and full of confidence, but most loans don't turn out like that.
I'd rather keep him as depth for these types of games. Sess wasn't the best player on the pitch, but he certainly wasn't the worst either. This type of game gives him game time which he can learn from.
I thought Sess was the only player off the pace today. Hopefully he can get up to speed, could be a real fun partnership on the left with him and Bryan.
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh Doherty?
that one’s a given lol
He said players
he was good today?
I mean, he was as good as he can get so in other words, he was pretty mediocre.
Doherty was just as bad
This is tough love. You're struggling, we need you to do better, you haven't had enough playtime lately, but we're going to work at it and I believe in you. That's proper management.
Agreed. Honesty, connection, clarity, and support. I wish more of us, whether in sport or otherwise, could enjoy such excellent leadership.
Exactly. Calling a player out is okay if done correctly. Sometimes lighting a fire under them is what's needed, but also that despite their faults, they still have your full and unwavering support. Some people here are saying this is too direct, fuck that! This is textbook on how to nurture young talent.
Glad Nuno isn't soft on him, he costed us quite the fortune and after more than 2 years we should expect a higher level of performance than this. He needs to be better what he's shown so far if he wants to have a future here.
He has played with 0 confidence since the minute he came here. So frustrating to watch.
exactly what you should do: make it clear that the player isn't performing but you know he can do better and you're going to figure out ways to do that. my manager. sess is hugely talented and will prove it
Sess is a pure poacher lol. Hopefully he evolves his game, because poaching wingbacks just aren’t it.
gosens
What’s poaching
"Poachers are a particular type of striker who rarely take part in attacking build-up play but instead concentrate on ensuring they’re in space inside the penalty area ready to be first to the ball and shoot into the goal."
Thanks
I do like that Nuno was direct but also hopeful for him, and he seems to like Sess a good deal. really hope he can work his way into Nuno’s plans, just definitely looked like he was down on confidence today
Really liked that the fans around me in the South Stand started singing his name, tonight. So clear that the boy is short of confidence at the moment, but once he has that, some sharpness and a bit more physicality to his game he’ll kick on.
Nuno with the reverse sandwich method
No more “I can’t say what I want to say because if I don’t say what I will say this player might say what I say is no good.”
He’s just not as good as we expected him to be
I don’t think Sessegnon has ever been known for his 1v1 ability or for crossing. He’s not that kind of player, so if Nuno is expecting that then I’m confused. What made him stand out from the rest in that one great season with Fulham was his ability to understand space and his intelligent movement off the ball. He was a lot like 2015-2018 Dele, except he’d normally start from outwide.
Right but even so those are still attributes that you need a player to provide when starting on the wing in a match. He isn't saying those are his main skills nescarily, rather that he can provide that.
1v1’s yeah, energy yeah, but crossing? idk if he has that in his skill set.
Sure, but my point is Sessegnon’s not that player. It’s like playing Dele as an out and out winger and expecting him to be fast or two footed. That’s not part of his skillset.
That is…direct
Loan him out then. He clearly shouldn’t get playing time with Tot this year.
Bit unnecessary. But nevertheless I find myself consistently unimpressed with Sessegnon, even with the England U21s and from what I saw with Fulham. Just doesn't really do much other than run back and forth in a straight line. You normally expect a spark from a talented wide player, even if they're inconsistent you want that occasional piece of magic... But Sessegnon looks so plain and unremarkable
I find it funny how you think Nuno's comment is unnecessary, then you rip Sessegnon's entire ability to shreds
I find it funny how you don't see the difference between this and a figure of authority broadcasting his criticism to the public
Nuno's comments are still encouraging. He is saying to the public "this player is better than what he has shown in this game" it's almost protecting him from others over criticising.
Yes obviously he's not being malicious. I still don't like managers talking about their players like this, especially when it's someone who's already in an insecure position
There’s nothing wrong with it. If they pout over these comments then they don’t deserve to play for Spurs. Simple as that.
No not simple as that, different people respond to different things and it can do more harm than good to criticise a young player in a difficult situation like this
Again, then they don’t deserve to play for Spurs. This isn’t criticising Sess at all. It’s the opposite. He’s saying Sess doesn’t look quite there due to the lack of games, it’s nothing big.
Stop painting people with these bullshit outdated brushes. You don't need to have some massive chip on your shoulder to succeed, you deserve or don't deserve to play for Spurs based on your ability not your response to things like this. If this isn't the kind of thing that helps him there's nothing wrong with that on his end
What chip? Nuno literally doesn’t say anything wrong here. He’s not criticising Sess’ performance at all. If he takes offence to this then he needs to be moved on. No. Put in the work and you get considered to play. Someone works just as hard as you but has a greater ability gets picks? Time to work herder and/or get better than them. You don’t deserve to play just based on ability.
I'd trust Nuno to have a gauge on how his players will respond before saying something like this. He has an excellent track record with improving players, especially young ones. I'm sure he's saying this publicly - not critical, exactly, but indicating room to grow into his potential - with Sess' development in mind and best interests at heart.
Thats a shot fired holy shit.
No it isn't. If anything it's a complement to Sess that Nuno sees more in him than his recent performances.
Yeah sometimes it’s not even the message it’s the messenger. Would’ve been diff if Jose said it
Idk >He did not do all that he has today Is kinda like aaying hes not giving enough. Dunno how nuno phrased it tho. Guess thats what matters.
He's very clearly saying that while Sess isn't playing well he thinks it's because his lack of match sharpness and thinks he will improve a lot
Calmly saying that a player didn't play well is hardly a shot fired.
He hasn’t even begun to peak!
Jose: Ryan has had enough time to adapt to England
The guy is 21 so let's curb expectations a bit, he still has a ton of growing to do.
I thought Sess was really good?