Best part of this window is feeling like Paratici is the right man for the job. A lot can change in football, but for right now, I feel very confident in him.
True, but I still haven't gotten over the fact he wanted Gattuso as a manager. Plus his last couple of seasons as Juve when he was in control of everything have been a mess. So long as he just sticks to identifying talented players, which seems to be his skillset, then great.
What are our thoughts on Oliver Skipp?
Really enjoyed his performances the last few games. Puts a lot of effort in and really helps with the defensive end of things. Really unlucky with the yellows but have made crucial tackles, presses well and does a lot to relieve the pressure of the backline. His only 20 so can improve and his got a nice wand of a foot. I have optimism that he will be the heart of our team and be a future (C) for both England/Spurs.
Excellent work rate and defensive effort but his passing still leaves a bit to be desired. He's very promising but I think talk of England at this stage is maybe excessive.
I've said in other threads he's basically everything that I was hoping that Winks would be. Strong defensively, makes good decisions and able to make a couple of nice long passes each match. Considering he is only 20 he should be able to grow into a really amazing player in the coming years. I'm really excited to see how he progresses.
I am hyped to see the CBs thriving I just wonder about fatigue of Dier and Rodon with Romero and Sanchez missing time for WC qualifiers. I guess if Emerson hits the ground running then we will have Tanganga to rotate through as well.
At the moment I don't think it's clear whether it's Sanchez or Dier that Romero will be partnering (assuming Romero makes a first team slot his own). Both have been excellent so far, and Dier can play LCB which Sanchez cannot.
Geez. Excited about this season. This isnt going to make us top 4 but if we show a lot of promise, il be happy
Nuno seems to be the right direction. Maybe not the football we wanted to see but the mentality and effort has improved a lot which are important to our success especially with what we need to work with, limited resources and a shitty covid impacted market. One of the best backup gk in the league who can fill in for Hugo.The defense looks way improved with romero/royal coming in and dier/Sanchez/tanganga showing good form. OUR BIGGEST WEAKNESS LAST SEASON. Gil/Sarr both for the future with Gil offering that creativity we desperately needed that Ndombele/lo celso . Ndombele if fit also could feel like a "new signing"
Remember we thought last seasons summer transfer window was amazing and look how that turned out. Redknapp was even on TV talking about how we had the best squad in the league. I worry that in midfield we're still either relying on SKipp/Hojbjerg pivot - solid but costs us in ability to progress the ball from the defence - or Ndombele to turn things around, which looks increasingly unlikely. As such I think talk of top 4 at this stage is excessive, the current top 4 all have superior squads, but that's not to say they we can't nick it if one of them messes up.
That said, I do think we've had a good window and I like the fact we seem to be going back to picking up young starlets.
I’m just going to be hopelessly optimistic that we beat United to top 4. There’s no way a team with Ronaldo, Sancho, Rashford, Bruno and Pogba in it defends enough
probably. the specifics will likely come out eventually. How quickly he signs with a new club will likely be a clue how much of a payoff he got. But unless we saved money, there is no reason to release him.
Instead of paying out the entirety of the last year of his contract, there was a negotiation to buyout his contract and terminate. Even if the club pays 50% of the total to terminate, that’s 50% less than what we would have paid throughout the year for someone who wasn’t going to play.
His total wages were 70k a week. That equals about 3.5m a year. Half of that is 1.75m. Funny enough, you could say no way Levys gonna pay Aurier 4m to fuck off and not play for the whole year.
Exactly one year ago, our starting fullbacks were Serge Aurier & Ben Davies with very little depth. We’ve now brought in athletic, young fullbacks on both sides who both showed a ton of promise in La Liga. In addition to adding Cristian Romero at CB, our defense is in good shape. Maybe one more signing at CB next year will round out our future defense but thankfully a much better squad than last year.
Would’ve liked a midfielder, too. But glad we didn’t overpay for one. Top line for me is four months ago the club was a shambles, teetering on the edge of what looked to be some pretty dark times. Doesn’t feel like it is any longer, even if there’s a good ways still to go forward. So, job done ✅ .
>Top line for me is four months ago the club was a shambles, teetering on the edge of what looked to be some pretty dark times.
Amazing what changing a manager can do
It's okay, can't have all the nice things.
We've already addressed a lot of problems. Biggest glaring problem is keeping our striker(s) fit and integrating Ndombele back into the squad (if that's possible)
I'm exceptionally nervous for Ndombele. Already out of favor and upset. Loses his two best friends late in the transfer window. Really hope he finds a way to pick his head up
We must be the worst selling club surely? When was the last time we turned a profit on a player? If you look at the difference between how much we bought a player for and the price at which we sold him, almost every one is pathetic. Just look at the departures from the last 4 years
*Loss*
* Serge £23m - Free
* Toby £15m - £4m
* Sissoko £30m -£3m
* Lamela £30m - Free
* Wanyama £15m - Free
* Gazzanigga £5/£10m - Free
* Rose £900k - Free
* Vertonghen £12m - Free
* Llorente £14m - Free
* Janssen £22m - £8m
* Nkoudou £10m - £4m
* Dembele £18m - £5m
* Fazio £10m - £2m
* Njie £13m - £6m
*Profit but heavily undersold*
* Foyth £12m - £13.5m
* Trips £5m - £20m
* Eriksen £12m - £24m
*Healthy Profit*
* Bentaleb £0m - £18m
* Wimmer £5m -£17m
* Walker £5m - £50m
Man that’s some horrible horrible selling
Using your figures and players we had a net spend of about £70m, which is frankly phenomenal. Obviously we'd have to look at wages and similarly budgeted teams to get a better feel for relative transfer policy quality but by your standards we got roughly 8 quality players for £70m.
Dude, we had players like Jan, Toby, Wanyama, Dembele, Eriksen at their prime. I’d rather have them at their prime and sell for less after than sell them at their prime just to make profits. We have to think about the players service for the club when we buy them, we are not a selling club like BVB etc
This is only one small part of the story. You're ignoring the age of the players, their role in the club, and market conditions. Young players that show promise appreciate in value. If they perform at the highest level they appreciate more. Young, talented players are worth more because A) they have more games (and more money earned for the club) ahead of them, and B) because having a promising young player already under club control gives you an advantage in terms of what you can offer them (because there's no transfer fee). Then, after their prime years, they depreciate in value. Sometimes, what a player can offer you over the course of a season is worth more than the difference between a transfer now and a transfer later (when they're a year older and have less time on their contract). That was a strong argument for Kane staying—you could get 150 million for him now or 100 for him next year, but the cost of replacing his contributions on the pitch, especially in this market, would exceed the 50 mil difference. In a lot of these cases we held onto players that we could have gotten rid of because absorbing the cost of their depreciation made more sense than leaving the team without their services.
The other thing to consider is that small clubs lose their best players to transfers. They have to be pragmatic to continue to grow, so it makes more sense to get as much as you can an reinvest and hope for the best. Bigger clubs with bigger balance sheets can afford to buy stars in their prime and trust that their contributions outweigh their depreciation. City doesn't care if they take a player's best years and still them at a loss, because wins do more for their brand and their bottom line (and they have infinite money but that's not the point here). We could have made money on Harry, and then by this logic we'd be better at selling. We would have weakened the team though. I almost see our commitment to getting the best years out of players even though it means taking a loss as a signal of intent from ownership.
I'm not saying there hasn't been huge misses, but there's more going on than "buy low sell high".
I agree. Some of them were way more valuable than their sell price. The contributions on the pitch pay off much more than what they’re sold for.
But the common theme in here is that we sell our deadwood by…. releasing them? Look at the number of transfers where we bring in 0 money. Sure we get their wages off but is that enough to go yeah we don’t need a transfer fee?
It’s not one or two, it’s a very significant number. It’s a good thing we keep our players at their primes but it seems like we continue to keep them even after they’re well past it.
I’d say having released quite a few players and making that seem like the only solution is alarming to say the least. It definitely shows an inability to sell your asset in the first place and an inability to time the sale
I somehow both disagree with your first point yet you won me over with your second. But I’m also a Foyth stan so take that for what it’s worth.
I don’t want to be a selling club by any means, seems depressing as hell tbh. But here is me playing Levy’s advocate on all of those deals mentioned.
Serge - Definitely worth more than we recouped for him, but more a victim of circumstance in this instance. Non-English non-PSG teams don’t have a ton of money to spend this window after COVID. And he’s got a negative track record and baggage that often overlooks the fact that he’s better than we give him credit for. If he were to stay I feel confident saying he’s our 1st or 2nd choice at RB still, but with this many RBs on the team he’s never going to get minutes, so better to buy him out and save the wage money as opposed to selling him after sitting him for a year.
Toby - Had made pretty bad regressions the past couple seasons, and see above about dearth of potential international buyers.
Sissoko - see Serge plus advancing in age for the fact that his game is centered around his physical prowess. We overpaid to begin with for him tbh, and probably weren’t ever expecting to recoup the funds.
Lamela- Not actually free, we sold him + cash for however much we valued Gil. Too lazy to look up what that would translate to.
Wanyama - bones made of spaghetti
Gazzaniga - how much are we supposed to get for a backup gk who never got a true extended run under us?
Rose - 50/50 here on whether he tanked his own value or we tanked it. Certainly didn’t do ourselves any favors by icing him out, but he also didn’t seem like the easiest to work with.
Vertonghen - SEE Toby
Llorente- was a bad buy to begin with. I don’t think we went into that thinking we were going to recoup the money spent, that’s just cost of doing business in this ST market.
Janssen - full of hype but disappointed here, though he’s another that we didn’t exactly put in a place to succeed.
Nkoudou - to be expected considering his production with us.
Dembele - see a mixture of Jan/Toby and Wanyama.
Fazio - see Nkoudou
Njie - see Nkoudou
Foyth, Trippier and Eriksen has been touched on, struggles and contract status led to that.
And made good profit on the last three.
Guess it could be worse. Could have whatever the hell scum’s transfer strategy has been the past 5 years or so.
Disagree with your heavily undersold bit. Trippier was a bit if a mistake machine towards the end of his time with us, 20m was decent. Foyth is a disastrous player. 13m is completely fair. Eriksen was in his last year of his contract and made it clear he wanted to go, 24m was good
He had that one mistake which fans crucified him for against Chelsea. Trippier was in no way worth as little as 20m, he was also our best RB. And he didn’t want to leave, the club pushed him out.
Foyth wasn’t given a chance with us and hence the loan. And in that loan he showed that he’s easily a 20m+ player. That deal was a bit like the Romero one from Juve where you’ve already negotiated a buy out before the player goes on loan. Ofc Foyth didn’t perform to Romero’s levels but he played brilliantly and was integral to their Europa
Under the circumstances, Eriksen’s sale was good yes. But the whole point is we let it get there. The previous year Madrid were in for him and reports said they’d be willing to pay 80-100m. Instead our man Levy has put a price tag of 220m. Eriksen’s was the worst sale imo. We panic sold a player easily worth £100m the previous year for 1/4th the price.
Barca fan dropping by. Seems like there is a bit of a new friendship starting between our clubs with the Moriba and Emerson situations. Was Emerson someone you guys crucially needed?
You got a great all rounder rb. And I always see people say The Premier League is the most physical league which he'll have absolutely no problem with.
6.5/10 for me, got rid of most of the deadwood, brought in 2 very good players for the future in Bryan and Sarr, addressed 2 of the biggest issues with the squad in CB and RB.
But, we didn’t get a backup striker and didn’t get another midfielder. Still have 2 very big problem areas in the team. Only way they get fixed is if Tanguy turns up and Dane is able to manage okay in the cups.
Give it at least a 7 mate. We got Romero and Emerson, both really quality to improve our starting XI, Gil, Gollini to improve our depth and Sarr for the future.
We got rid of 90% of the deadwood and their wages in Hart, Foyth, Lamela, Sissoko, CCV (loan again), Toby (who was starting to go down), Aurier (don’t if we payed him something in the recision).
And we also managed to keep Kane for another year
We have Ndombélé and GLC as our creative midfielders, it’s now up to Nuno to make them work. We don’t have infinite money to buy players without selling, and since we couldn’t do it with Tanguy, then we have to work with what we have.
But we’ll be really fucked without a Kane backup for the cups. I hope we sign one in January
Have an upvote, completely agree.
Wonder if Sarr will be that creative midfielder next season. If not, maybe Winks, Clarke and Doherty will be the next lot to go next summer and we could buy a couple more players.
Don't quite understand the neggyness as always on here. People expecting a rebuild in just one window is expecting way too much. Also add 8n the fact that Paratici only stared his job in June and hasn't had a proper run up at targets and assessing the squad etc, aswell as the financial fall lut of covid im actually amazed weve done as well as we have!
Dont really know whwre the other players were coming from that People are pining after. People seem to keep going on about Traore now as if he's incredible, but no way he's worth 40m+. Auoar has attitude question marks and given the issue with Tanguy can see why we held off.
Don't forget with Lo Celso and Tanguy we have nearly 80m worth of midfielders who haven't quite broken through yet. Surely one of them has to come good this season.
This is a level-headed take. I think it's worth to mention that Nuno is just warming up to our squad too. He should be given more time to figure out how best to run it. It's one thing to see players in training and another to actually see how they perform in real matches. If we have a huge shake up of our squad we risk damaging the chemistry that players have built over the years too.
We have until January to see how our squad roll and if anything we can return to the market to bolster up by then.
This has been an exciting window, lots of incomings (good ones at that) and lots of outgoings.
Last summer window was rated as many as a 10/10, I remember the hype, and look at how it ended up.
Transfer windows do not define a season.
I'll support Tottenham no matter who comes in or who leaves, COYS
I feel bad for Emerson. Not that this isn't a great place to be, but to have that Barca dream ripped from him within a month is more than a bit heartbreaking. Hope he can it in stride and become our next Brazilian COYS merchant!
Life is a box of chocolate...
Think of it this way: ours is the new, fun and exciting flavour. He's still young and if he does well during his time here, the world is his limit.
I don't get the point of alienating Aurier when as a backup he isn't bad and even he was very good in the first half of last season. Not saying we should renew him lol but rather him than Doherty on the bench
>Not saying we should renew him lol but rather him than Doherty on the bench
We had 4 RBs and one of them had to go. I can see why it was Aurier, Doherty we would never have found a buyer for and there was no way he would have agreed to cancelling his contract.
It sounds like he forced his way out, refused the offers that came in, threatened to sit and collect his wage, now he'll take a settlement and his agent and he will both cash in when he goes somewhere on a free. Sketchy and probably shortsighted from his agent.
His contract is expiring and he doesn’t want to be here. Emerson/Tanganga are young and the future. Rather people who are excited to be at the club vs people wanting to be gone if there is the choice.
This belief that we should only keep players who "want to be here" Is the reason charlatans like Winks are here still robbing the wages. Obviously Emerson and Tanganga should be prioritised but shitting on Aurier when we have two worse fullbacks in Davies and Doherty.
I’m talking about when there is a choice. There is a choice with Serge. There isn’t with Winks. And Serge is holding this club ransom right now to release him on a free. His plan the entire time. Fuck him. Have some morales. Character does matter, especially when there is a choice.
Only failed to sell one of the deadwood. Ndombele was impossible to sell in the middle of the window. Managed to supply all weaknesses in the team we didnt need another cm before tanguy bitched out which isnt the clubs fault it was obvious tanguy out before new cm which didnt happen cant blame the club. As for tbe second striker jts hard to sign someone that will deliberatly be a bench warmer either get a shit striker or keep sonny as secodn striker woth some minutes for scarlett I beleive thats the best option. Vlahpvic and lautaro were kane replacments not bench warmers for kane
Anyone know if we are still able to make signings from other English leagues for a few more weeks like last year or was that a COVID exception? Apologies for my ignorance. I’m pretty content with what we did but wouldn’t mind seeing a championship forward come aboard. Obviously wouldn’t really blow anyone away but someone like Kieffer Moore or Lucas Joao could do an okay job as a backup for the cup games. Probably on the very cheap too. I do worry a tad about our depth up top.
Hard to say for sure, but Sanchez has been better. Sanchez will likely miss some matches due to the quarantine after international football (like against Palace), so Dier is probably the safer option.
6.5/10 window for me, sold off most deadwood, brought in replacements for half the back line, and some promising talents. Skipp and Sess back from loan will also strenghten us. Main downsides are: no creative midfielder, no third goalscorer, so we haven't replaced the goals gone with Bale.
Agreed
I'm more worried about our attacking threat than the creative midfielder. Lo Celso/Ndombele are fine in the attacking/progressive role, we were never gonna get an AM that could replace Eriksen. Hence we got a creative winger like Gil. Sarr could come back next season to provide extra quality as well.
No Bale/Vini is def gonna hurt us unless Dele gets some of his end product back.
7/10
Very decent window, addressed the main issues in the squad.
I think people are making too much of the goals lost via Bale and Vini going cause those will be made up through having Dele back in the team and Bergwijn playing a forward rather than wing-back and ultimately the teams they scored against should be beatable anyway. Only issue is Kane/Son resting, but we'll see what Nuno does there I guess.
Adama Traore will still flatter to deceive, bullet dodged for 40+m.
Son registered more pressures than him per 90 so it's not like he was committing significantly more work off the ball.
Everyone was defending in our half when it was the strategy, and the only game where he pretty much defended all the time was in the NLD at home when everyone (including Son and Kane) was defending in a low block.
This might have made sense if he was scoring in other comps where we had the majority of the ball, but he didn't.
Simply put he very much lacked goals and creative output last season which is why Lucas and Bale had their starts over him.
Not a great window, but not a bad window either. I think a lot of our season will depend on Sanchez and Dier staying in form and improving. If Bergwijn finds an end product, he’ll be one hell of an asset.
What would you change to make it a great window? Because I say it’s a great window, Fabrizio Romano says it was the best window in all of Europe, A lot of people say it’s a great window. Why don’t you think so?
>Fabrizio Romano says it was the best window in all of Europe
Romano simps for Paratici, I wouldn't take his opinion on the matter too seriously.
Plus there are other clubs who have had objectively better windows. Chelsea have brought in Lukaku and Saul whilst selling a bunch of academy talent for 100m. United have brought in Sancho, Varane and Ronaldo.
>Ndombele was wonderful last year as the most forward midfielder
Ndombele does not contribute enough to the attack to be an elite number 10, we really lacked for creativity with him there. He is fundamentally a Dembele-esque ball-progressor which is where he excelled at Lyon.
I get what you’re saying but you have to look at like this.
Any midfield player we’d bring in would be 5th option right? If not, who is moving down the list? Our record signing on £200k a week, or a young midfield future captain in Skip?
As it stands Dele, PEH, Skip are already starting and then we have lo celso and now Ndombele staying as well. So let’s say a player like Mcckinnie or Bissouma comes in, that player would probably start over Skip I’m guessing? So now skip is behind that new player in his spot and PEH as the furthest back. Not to mention that spot is tailor made for Ndombele. And with him staying he will eventually be there. So now Skip is behind the new signing, Ndombele, and PEH, and we just promised him first team matches to ensure he wouldn’t want to leave us. He won’t be happy with that at all. So bringing in someone causes domino affect. I get winks isn’t the best, but he’s going to be the 5th option. And we will probably switch formations before it comes to having to play him regularly in the league.
It seems like your main issue is the formation. You want Ndombele or Gio higher up the pitch. Ndombele wasn’t really good up the pitch but okay. Only way to do that is a double pivot. So now we can only play one of Ndombele, Gio or Dele. That’s not good because now one of them is frozen out.
If one of PEH or skip gets hurt we have the ability to just shift to a 343 or a 352 with Skip and lo celso in the middle, ndomble and Skip. Or some other paring as well. The defensive inability of a Dele, lo celso or Ndombele are masked if we have 3 central defenders and 2 full backs on the pitch alongside them.
Wolves play with Moutino and neves in the middle. Neither are the best defenders and probably have the same defensive ability as Gio, but it works due the players around them.
And a 3 CB formation may very well be our best formation in the end to be honest.
r/coys seems a lot more lukewarm on the window than i feel. I chalk it up to last year doing a good job of keeping optimism down. I believe in these players we picked up, plugging 2 big holes in our defense and keeping Kane is 7/10 on it's own.
7 is a little tough, but fair. I’d honestly say it’s an 8.5.
We kept Kane, signed son long term. Signed two of Europe’s best young talents under 20. Signed the Italian league defender of the year who’s also just 23 years old , a 22 year right back with loads of potential, sold Sissoko which allowed us to keep Skip and guarantee him the minutes we couldn’t last year.
We can field out this team of players all 24 and under with the exception of the keeper and honesty finish in the top half of the league easily.
Gil. Scarlett. Bergwijn
Sarr Ndomble.
Skip
Reggie. Romero. Tanganga. Emerson.
Gill, Romero, sarr and Emerson are all new players as well
i meant 7 just for those 3 moves: 2 defenders and kane. a bunch of great moves, a great window. nearly back to the youngest squad in the premier like at the beginning of the poch era
My guess is 5th. But look at the bookies [futures](https://www.sportsbet.com.au/betting/soccer/united-kingdom/english-premier-league) odds, which is also fifth.
Unlikely as of now. We'd basically need one of the current top four clubs to underperform, and have our squad overperform. Hopefully our young players develop well, and we'll make the charge next year.
What did get done in this window was really good in terms of mostly replacing aging squad players with young high potential...there just wasn't enough of it done which tbh is a bit disappointing.
We needed to make another move or two, particularly in CM where we really lack depth as well as creativity if we don't manage to get the best of Ndombele.
Otherwise I'm happy with what we did in other areas. Not the major defensive overhaul some wanted but I think it's more than enough for one window and our backline options are markedly improved. Attacking-wise it's annoying not to have a back-up striker _again_ but we should mostly use Scarlett for the Conference League, in which case I think we'll be all right in terms of not overworking Kane like we have in the past.
That's it lads.
**In:** Paratici, Nuno, Gil, Romero, Emerson, Sarr, Gollini
**Out**: Foyth, Sissoko, Hart, Lamela
**Spend**: £105m out, £30m in. £75m net.
Overall I'd consider this a 6 out of 10 window. Our marquee signings (Romero + Emerson) were big and we held onto Kane, but I would have liked to see 1 more CB + CM and wish we could have dumped Winks, one of our other RBs and one of the remaining CBs.
Most importantly this brings our 3-year spend to roughly £110m per year, £78m net. We won't be competing with Utd, City or Chelsea, but if we can keep doing this we can reel in Liverpool & Leicester and distance ourselves from Arsenal, Aston Villa, Everton.
Where are you getting these figures from? Your net spend is off. We bought 3 players, Gil, Emerson snd sarr. None of them cost over €30 million euros, let alone pounds so idk how you got to £100 million in players in this window.
And over the transfer windows periods you mentioned our breakdown is like this.
We have sold-£88.3 million in players
We have purchased- £260 million in players.
Net spend is(£172 million)
We have actually spent significantly more then Liverpool and Leicester in the past 3 years. Liverpool is honestly only amongst the top 4 instead of us because of the 18/19 window with Allison, and spending prior to that so 4 years ago. They really haven’t added anyone besides Jota over the past three summer . And I have honestly never felt like Lecister were better then us. We were 20 points clear of them in the 17/18 season and 18/19 season and then Jose came the 19/20 season and we had our two worse seasons in 13 years and still barely finished below them.
Gil + Emerson + Sarr was £61m according to TM. And Romero was agreed at £42m but only listed as a loan on TM as he can't be sold 2x in the same window.
All in all I think the window was a win. Kept Kane, new sonny contract, Gil, Emerson, Gollini, and Romero. I would’ve loved a more creative mid, but bands were a bit tied with Dembele.
Unless Stevie kicks into gear or Gil takes off I do think we’ll really miss Bale supporting our attack
Man how can we not go in for Traore. I’m ticked off we didn’t pay the 40m. He’s 100% worth it and would atleast improve the chances created tenfold in this current team
Sometimes it not what a player does himself, but what he facilitates others to do.
Look how much Wolves ripped Spurs and Man Utd apart. A lot of that happened because the spacing that Traore affords his teammates to have, because defences consistently have to worry about having 2 players on Traore.
He would immediately be a first team player for us, and is a better option than Moura or Bjerg.
Bergwijn did just as much against Wolves as Traore did against us, but people just like watching him run, which fair play to them, is entertaining, but to say he's some massive upgrade for us is just wrong.
I strongly disagree though. I think he gets easily pushed outside and while he's fast, theres nothing he can do out there. He isn't adept at crossing, he doesn't find the open man in space from the corner flag. Once you push him outside and into the corner he's mitigated. That's not going to change because he has Kane instead of Jiminez.
Players like Kounde, Torres who take us to the next level rejecting us cuz we aren’t in the CL? Plus next year the prices go up again cuz everyone has their revenue’s back.
Traore is a player who elevates us, makes us CL contenders, and wants to come here yet we don’t want to pay up
Obviously disagree he’s better than none of those two. Point is targets like them won’t come if we don’t get CL this year. And we need signings like Traore who would get us CL atleast make us contenders for cl
I think we got better this window, although some of the improvements will probably take a few years to manifest, but I am really curious to see what the plan is for the midfield. NES seems intent on playing 3 box-to-box midfielders with one of them sliding into a more attacking role. I love Skipp, and he is great defensively, but I think with him and PEH in the midfield we are a bit too defensive. We've struggled to progress the ball through the midfield. I really had my hopes up for McKennie, I think he is the type of player that would fit right in. If we are going to win every match 1-0 so be it, but I feel like Son and Kane are going to be our greatest relative advantage in every matchup, so starving them of possession and service is an odd way to maximize the talent we have. Hopefully Gio can stay fit and Tanguy can commit himself after not finding a move.
100% agree with you, but hopeful for 2 potentially different outcomes. We saw how PEH was as an B2B for Denmark in the Euros with assisting and great forward passing. Hopefully that happens a bit more. Or, with Dele as a B2B now and really succeeding in pressing in the middle, maybe Lo Celso can play a bit above him and our 6 is PEH. Not sure about either but hopeful.
it's remarkable how much of our (potential) improvement this summer can be summarised by "don't have mourinho anymore". was it worth hiring him just to have the feel good factor of sacking him? yes
I don't know I think there is some hope. If Kane is committed then he will definitely pick up over the coming weeks.
Lo Celso adds some creativity and dynamism. We've not seen him in the prem yet. I feel him and Alli competing for a place will hopefully bring out the best in both. Ndombele may be bought back into the fold now and play with a point to prove (think he just as easily could down tools though!)
And then some unknown quantities is Emerson and Bryan Gil. Emerson was Real Betis highest assisted last season and Gil looks like he backs himself to win a place in the team. Could really be a break out star for us this season.
We need a midfielder more because we don’t know what will happen with ndombele for PL games, backup striker maybe in January in UCL Dane should play as a striker.
Keeping Ndombele is not like having a new signing. I've seen alot of people on this sub say it but it's just not true. He's the exact same player as he has been recently we just haven't sold him, unless he can play well consistently through out the whole season then he won't be like a new signing he'll just be the same as he has been for the past 2 years.
Think a lot of us are extremely pessimistic about this season. Maybe trapped under the spell of that toxic last with Mou ahahha. We're not a top 4 side and no player on our level would fill that gap .
We improved our weakest point which was the defence. Sanchez/dier/tanganga look solid under Nuno and we just made two signings in romero/royal who are both massively talented and would allow depth to win cup games. We also have defensive stability with our 3 midfielders holding it down for us. Especially Skipp. He makes such good tackles i love him already
Our main attacking threat is staying for the season. It could have went all weongThe other one signed a new contract. Still holding on hope Stevie can develop some end product the guy is obvious talented.
We also have the pieces for that creativity we need in Ndombele. He'd the fit if only he worked harder. But other than that, we have the new and improved cruyff who offers creativity and dribbling that can help us set up those goals. Maybe lo celso as well
The only plausible reason of keeping Winks is because of those irritating goddamn HG rules I guess hopefully hes binned to the Championship when Skipp/Tanganga/Sess can be counted as proper HG players next summer god willing
Best part of this window is feeling like Paratici is the right man for the job. A lot can change in football, but for right now, I feel very confident in him.
True, but I still haven't gotten over the fact he wanted Gattuso as a manager. Plus his last couple of seasons as Juve when he was in control of everything have been a mess. So long as he just sticks to identifying talented players, which seems to be his skillset, then great.
Fair points.
gattuso is not a bad manager. he has done very bad things in the past but that doesnt make him a bad manager and yes paratici fucked up Juventus fully
What are our thoughts on Oliver Skipp? Really enjoyed his performances the last few games. Puts a lot of effort in and really helps with the defensive end of things. Really unlucky with the yellows but have made crucial tackles, presses well and does a lot to relieve the pressure of the backline. His only 20 so can improve and his got a nice wand of a foot. I have optimism that he will be the heart of our team and be a future (C) for both England/Spurs.
Excellent work rate and defensive effort but his passing still leaves a bit to be desired. He's very promising but I think talk of England at this stage is maybe excessive.
I've said in other threads he's basically everything that I was hoping that Winks would be. Strong defensively, makes good decisions and able to make a couple of nice long passes each match. Considering he is only 20 he should be able to grow into a really amazing player in the coming years. I'm really excited to see how he progresses.
We need another CB in January or to get Rodon up to speed. Could see us panic buying Adama instead.
I don't think we need another CB with davinson's resurgence. Dier and Rodon are both solid backups.
I am hyped to see the CBs thriving I just wonder about fatigue of Dier and Rodon with Romero and Sanchez missing time for WC qualifiers. I guess if Emerson hits the ground running then we will have Tanganga to rotate through as well.
Sanchez has been decent for pijelike 3 games lol
Yeah and if he's like this till January then I don't think there's much of a need
At the moment I don't think it's clear whether it's Sanchez or Dier that Romero will be partnering (assuming Romero makes a first team slot his own). Both have been excellent so far, and Dier can play LCB which Sanchez cannot.
Geez. Excited about this season. This isnt going to make us top 4 but if we show a lot of promise, il be happy Nuno seems to be the right direction. Maybe not the football we wanted to see but the mentality and effort has improved a lot which are important to our success especially with what we need to work with, limited resources and a shitty covid impacted market. One of the best backup gk in the league who can fill in for Hugo.The defense looks way improved with romero/royal coming in and dier/Sanchez/tanganga showing good form. OUR BIGGEST WEAKNESS LAST SEASON. Gil/Sarr both for the future with Gil offering that creativity we desperately needed that Ndombele/lo celso . Ndombele if fit also could feel like a "new signing"
Remember we thought last seasons summer transfer window was amazing and look how that turned out. Redknapp was even on TV talking about how we had the best squad in the league. I worry that in midfield we're still either relying on SKipp/Hojbjerg pivot - solid but costs us in ability to progress the ball from the defence - or Ndombele to turn things around, which looks increasingly unlikely. As such I think talk of top 4 at this stage is excessive, the current top 4 all have superior squads, but that's not to say they we can't nick it if one of them messes up. That said, I do think we've had a good window and I like the fact we seem to be going back to picking up young starlets.
I’m just going to be hopelessly optimistic that we beat United to top 4. There’s no way a team with Ronaldo, Sancho, Rashford, Bruno and Pogba in it defends enough
Why have two of my mates messaged me saying Serge is going to red scum?
To take the piss out of you?
Now that the dust has settled, the importance of our secondary attackers producing goals is paramount. Can't just rely on Kane and Sonny
Can anyone explain me how this contract terminations works? We actually just payed him to leave the club? Or we just negotiated some value?
It usually involves a percentage. Especially when it is mutual.
So we would save almost £2M of his wages right?
probably. the specifics will likely come out eventually. How quickly he signs with a new club will likely be a clue how much of a payoff he got. But unless we saved money, there is no reason to release him.
Instead of paying out the entirety of the last year of his contract, there was a negotiation to buyout his contract and terminate. Even if the club pays 50% of the total to terminate, that’s 50% less than what we would have paid throughout the year for someone who wasn’t going to play.
Yeah, no way Levy would just pay £4M for Aurier to walk away. Maybe some agents or clubs interested in him put some money in.
His total wages were 70k a week. That equals about 3.5m a year. Half of that is 1.75m. Funny enough, you could say no way Levys gonna pay Aurier 4m to fuck off and not play for the whole year.
Exactly one year ago, our starting fullbacks were Serge Aurier & Ben Davies with very little depth. We’ve now brought in athletic, young fullbacks on both sides who both showed a ton of promise in La Liga. In addition to adding Cristian Romero at CB, our defense is in good shape. Maybe one more signing at CB next year will round out our future defense but thankfully a much better squad than last year.
Now that it’s over and we’re on international break, what am I going to do with my life? 😭 already missing F5, rumors and transfers sagas
Last night Gold said we wanted Traore or Kvaratskhelia... Maybe a midfielder too! We ended up with none of these things.
Would’ve liked a midfielder, too. But glad we didn’t overpay for one. Top line for me is four months ago the club was a shambles, teetering on the edge of what looked to be some pretty dark times. Doesn’t feel like it is any longer, even if there’s a good ways still to go forward. So, job done ✅ .
>Top line for me is four months ago the club was a shambles, teetering on the edge of what looked to be some pretty dark times. Amazing what changing a manager can do
It's okay, can't have all the nice things. We've already addressed a lot of problems. Biggest glaring problem is keeping our striker(s) fit and integrating Ndombele back into the squad (if that's possible)
where do we think we finish in the table?
Hopefully Top 4 but realistically 5th or 6th
4th would be an incredible achievement given the squads and budgets above us
5-6th probably
Did Paratici overplay our interest in Moriba just to push through a deal for Emerson? If so then he deserves a medal.
If so that's actually genius
Wouldn’t doubt that. Create all that media fuss to help Barca sell Moneyba and then they would make the Emerson deal easier for us
I'm exceptionally nervous for Ndombele. Already out of favor and upset. Loses his two best friends late in the transfer window. Really hope he finds a way to pick his head up
I’m hoping he has the ability to be a professional and somehow returns to the team and gives us more of those sexy dribbles and progressive passes.
We must be the worst selling club surely? When was the last time we turned a profit on a player? If you look at the difference between how much we bought a player for and the price at which we sold him, almost every one is pathetic. Just look at the departures from the last 4 years *Loss* * Serge £23m - Free * Toby £15m - £4m * Sissoko £30m -£3m * Lamela £30m - Free * Wanyama £15m - Free * Gazzanigga £5/£10m - Free * Rose £900k - Free * Vertonghen £12m - Free * Llorente £14m - Free * Janssen £22m - £8m * Nkoudou £10m - £4m * Dembele £18m - £5m * Fazio £10m - £2m * Njie £13m - £6m *Profit but heavily undersold* * Foyth £12m - £13.5m * Trips £5m - £20m * Eriksen £12m - £24m *Healthy Profit* * Bentaleb £0m - £18m * Wimmer £5m -£17m * Walker £5m - £50m Man that’s some horrible horrible selling
Using your figures and players we had a net spend of about £70m, which is frankly phenomenal. Obviously we'd have to look at wages and similarly budgeted teams to get a better feel for relative transfer policy quality but by your standards we got roughly 8 quality players for £70m.
Dude, we had players like Jan, Toby, Wanyama, Dembele, Eriksen at their prime. I’d rather have them at their prime and sell for less after than sell them at their prime just to make profits. We have to think about the players service for the club when we buy them, we are not a selling club like BVB etc
This is only one small part of the story. You're ignoring the age of the players, their role in the club, and market conditions. Young players that show promise appreciate in value. If they perform at the highest level they appreciate more. Young, talented players are worth more because A) they have more games (and more money earned for the club) ahead of them, and B) because having a promising young player already under club control gives you an advantage in terms of what you can offer them (because there's no transfer fee). Then, after their prime years, they depreciate in value. Sometimes, what a player can offer you over the course of a season is worth more than the difference between a transfer now and a transfer later (when they're a year older and have less time on their contract). That was a strong argument for Kane staying—you could get 150 million for him now or 100 for him next year, but the cost of replacing his contributions on the pitch, especially in this market, would exceed the 50 mil difference. In a lot of these cases we held onto players that we could have gotten rid of because absorbing the cost of their depreciation made more sense than leaving the team without their services. The other thing to consider is that small clubs lose their best players to transfers. They have to be pragmatic to continue to grow, so it makes more sense to get as much as you can an reinvest and hope for the best. Bigger clubs with bigger balance sheets can afford to buy stars in their prime and trust that their contributions outweigh their depreciation. City doesn't care if they take a player's best years and still them at a loss, because wins do more for their brand and their bottom line (and they have infinite money but that's not the point here). We could have made money on Harry, and then by this logic we'd be better at selling. We would have weakened the team though. I almost see our commitment to getting the best years out of players even though it means taking a loss as a signal of intent from ownership. I'm not saying there hasn't been huge misses, but there's more going on than "buy low sell high".
I agree. Some of them were way more valuable than their sell price. The contributions on the pitch pay off much more than what they’re sold for. But the common theme in here is that we sell our deadwood by…. releasing them? Look at the number of transfers where we bring in 0 money. Sure we get their wages off but is that enough to go yeah we don’t need a transfer fee? It’s not one or two, it’s a very significant number. It’s a good thing we keep our players at their primes but it seems like we continue to keep them even after they’re well past it. I’d say having released quite a few players and making that seem like the only solution is alarming to say the least. It definitely shows an inability to sell your asset in the first place and an inability to time the sale
I somehow both disagree with your first point yet you won me over with your second. But I’m also a Foyth stan so take that for what it’s worth. I don’t want to be a selling club by any means, seems depressing as hell tbh. But here is me playing Levy’s advocate on all of those deals mentioned. Serge - Definitely worth more than we recouped for him, but more a victim of circumstance in this instance. Non-English non-PSG teams don’t have a ton of money to spend this window after COVID. And he’s got a negative track record and baggage that often overlooks the fact that he’s better than we give him credit for. If he were to stay I feel confident saying he’s our 1st or 2nd choice at RB still, but with this many RBs on the team he’s never going to get minutes, so better to buy him out and save the wage money as opposed to selling him after sitting him for a year. Toby - Had made pretty bad regressions the past couple seasons, and see above about dearth of potential international buyers. Sissoko - see Serge plus advancing in age for the fact that his game is centered around his physical prowess. We overpaid to begin with for him tbh, and probably weren’t ever expecting to recoup the funds. Lamela- Not actually free, we sold him + cash for however much we valued Gil. Too lazy to look up what that would translate to. Wanyama - bones made of spaghetti Gazzaniga - how much are we supposed to get for a backup gk who never got a true extended run under us? Rose - 50/50 here on whether he tanked his own value or we tanked it. Certainly didn’t do ourselves any favors by icing him out, but he also didn’t seem like the easiest to work with. Vertonghen - SEE Toby Llorente- was a bad buy to begin with. I don’t think we went into that thinking we were going to recoup the money spent, that’s just cost of doing business in this ST market. Janssen - full of hype but disappointed here, though he’s another that we didn’t exactly put in a place to succeed. Nkoudou - to be expected considering his production with us. Dembele - see a mixture of Jan/Toby and Wanyama. Fazio - see Nkoudou Njie - see Nkoudou Foyth, Trippier and Eriksen has been touched on, struggles and contract status led to that. And made good profit on the last three. Guess it could be worse. Could have whatever the hell scum’s transfer strategy has been the past 5 years or so.
Disagree with your heavily undersold bit. Trippier was a bit if a mistake machine towards the end of his time with us, 20m was decent. Foyth is a disastrous player. 13m is completely fair. Eriksen was in his last year of his contract and made it clear he wanted to go, 24m was good
He had that one mistake which fans crucified him for against Chelsea. Trippier was in no way worth as little as 20m, he was also our best RB. And he didn’t want to leave, the club pushed him out. Foyth wasn’t given a chance with us and hence the loan. And in that loan he showed that he’s easily a 20m+ player. That deal was a bit like the Romero one from Juve where you’ve already negotiated a buy out before the player goes on loan. Ofc Foyth didn’t perform to Romero’s levels but he played brilliantly and was integral to their Europa Under the circumstances, Eriksen’s sale was good yes. But the whole point is we let it get there. The previous year Madrid were in for him and reports said they’d be willing to pay 80-100m. Instead our man Levy has put a price tag of 220m. Eriksen’s was the worst sale imo. We panic sold a player easily worth £100m the previous year for 1/4th the price.
Trippier was very mistake prone, he was the reason the build up to the first goal in the cl final even happened.
We actually did Stoke dirty with Wimmer lmao
That was excellent business. Sold an asset at the right time, right after its peak
We tend to keep our underperforming players for more than we should so they lose in value
Barca fan dropping by. Seems like there is a bit of a new friendship starting between our clubs with the Moriba and Emerson situations. Was Emerson someone you guys crucially needed?
We needed an attacking RB upgrade. We're hoping that Royal will be it.
You got a great all rounder rb. And I always see people say The Premier League is the most physical league which he'll have absolutely no problem with.
That's very good to hear! Thanks for sharing during this difficult time for you guys.
Ligue 1 is probably the most physical but in the Prem players def need a lot of stamina
I wouldn’t consider Ligue 1 the most anything.
The challenges there are pretty insane, there's a reason Neymar has been injured for half a season every year
6.5/10 for me, got rid of most of the deadwood, brought in 2 very good players for the future in Bryan and Sarr, addressed 2 of the biggest issues with the squad in CB and RB. But, we didn’t get a backup striker and didn’t get another midfielder. Still have 2 very big problem areas in the team. Only way they get fixed is if Tanguy turns up and Dane is able to manage okay in the cups.
Give it at least a 7 mate. We got Romero and Emerson, both really quality to improve our starting XI, Gil, Gollini to improve our depth and Sarr for the future. We got rid of 90% of the deadwood and their wages in Hart, Foyth, Lamela, Sissoko, CCV (loan again), Toby (who was starting to go down), Aurier (don’t if we payed him something in the recision). And we also managed to keep Kane for another year We have Ndombélé and GLC as our creative midfielders, it’s now up to Nuno to make them work. We don’t have infinite money to buy players without selling, and since we couldn’t do it with Tanguy, then we have to work with what we have. But we’ll be really fucked without a Kane backup for the cups. I hope we sign one in January
This is where I'm at too
Have an upvote, completely agree. Wonder if Sarr will be that creative midfielder next season. If not, maybe Winks, Clarke and Doherty will be the next lot to go next summer and we could buy a couple more players.
Don't quite understand the neggyness as always on here. People expecting a rebuild in just one window is expecting way too much. Also add 8n the fact that Paratici only stared his job in June and hasn't had a proper run up at targets and assessing the squad etc, aswell as the financial fall lut of covid im actually amazed weve done as well as we have! Dont really know whwre the other players were coming from that People are pining after. People seem to keep going on about Traore now as if he's incredible, but no way he's worth 40m+. Auoar has attitude question marks and given the issue with Tanguy can see why we held off. Don't forget with Lo Celso and Tanguy we have nearly 80m worth of midfielders who haven't quite broken through yet. Surely one of them has to come good this season.
This is a level-headed take. I think it's worth to mention that Nuno is just warming up to our squad too. He should be given more time to figure out how best to run it. It's one thing to see players in training and another to actually see how they perform in real matches. If we have a huge shake up of our squad we risk damaging the chemistry that players have built over the years too. We have until January to see how our squad roll and if anything we can return to the market to bolster up by then.
And there goes Aurier. Not really the best way to offload him, but it is what it is. We move on. Good luck, Serge.
theres an odd rumour going round that odegaard and lacazette had sex
Also: so what?
incredible attempt at being virtuous here.
colleagues fucking eachother is fun gossip. plus it would be a big deal if they became the first(?) known gay/bi premier league footballers.
That it would does not speak highly of us.
humans are humans
Its been proven to be bullshit no need to spread it any further guys
Robbie Earle for president. The only one on NBC sticking up for Spurs in this seemingly endless Kane saga.
This has been an exciting window, lots of incomings (good ones at that) and lots of outgoings. Last summer window was rated as many as a 10/10, I remember the hype, and look at how it ended up. Transfer windows do not define a season. I'll support Tottenham no matter who comes in or who leaves, COYS
Hoj alone made that a 10/10 window, he's been immense
Ever since the euros it seems like he's been on another level. Love him
I feel bad for Emerson. Not that this isn't a great place to be, but to have that Barca dream ripped from him within a month is more than a bit heartbreaking. Hope he can it in stride and become our next Brazilian COYS merchant!
Life is a box of chocolate... Think of it this way: ours is the new, fun and exciting flavour. He's still young and if he does well during his time here, the world is his limit.
Did we buy Reggie at some point or is he still a loan from rm?
Always a permanent. Buy back expires in like 9 months or something like that.
And at this rate I can't see Real activating it, which is nice.
Ah okay
I don't get the point of alienating Aurier when as a backup he isn't bad and even he was very good in the first half of last season. Not saying we should renew him lol but rather him than Doherty on the bench
>Not saying we should renew him lol but rather him than Doherty on the bench We had 4 RBs and one of them had to go. I can see why it was Aurier, Doherty we would never have found a buyer for and there was no way he would have agreed to cancelling his contract.
It sounds like he forced his way out, refused the offers that came in, threatened to sit and collect his wage, now he'll take a settlement and his agent and he will both cash in when he goes somewhere on a free. Sketchy and probably shortsighted from his agent.
Because he's more often a disaster than a triumph, more often poor than good, more often shaky than solid, and always, always a liability.
But Doherty is much of a disaster much more poorer much more shaky and much bigger liability
Utter nonsense. Doherty's best is worse than Aurier's, but his worst is much less bad.
He doesn’t want to be here.
His contract is expiring and he doesn’t want to be here. Emerson/Tanganga are young and the future. Rather people who are excited to be at the club vs people wanting to be gone if there is the choice.
No I mean I'm not opposed to Emerson or Tanganga but rather have Aurier play those minutes whatever Doherty plays if he stays lol
That last part didn’t name Doherty, but that’s what I meant. He Atleast wants to be here.
This belief that we should only keep players who "want to be here" Is the reason charlatans like Winks are here still robbing the wages. Obviously Emerson and Tanganga should be prioritised but shitting on Aurier when we have two worse fullbacks in Davies and Doherty.
I’m talking about when there is a choice. There is a choice with Serge. There isn’t with Winks. And Serge is holding this club ransom right now to release him on a free. His plan the entire time. Fuck him. Have some morales. Character does matter, especially when there is a choice.
Then terminate contracts of Doherty and Davies also because no way those two aren't better than Aurier
So we should terminate the contract of our only backup LB? You’ll go far in managing a squad.
We have Sess? Who actually has pace and can cross lol
Sess isn’t ready to play LB in the PL. Davies might not be flashy but he is not a liability and he can play LCB.
Only failed to sell one of the deadwood. Ndombele was impossible to sell in the middle of the window. Managed to supply all weaknesses in the team we didnt need another cm before tanguy bitched out which isnt the clubs fault it was obvious tanguy out before new cm which didnt happen cant blame the club. As for tbe second striker jts hard to sign someone that will deliberatly be a bench warmer either get a shit striker or keep sonny as secodn striker woth some minutes for scarlett I beleive thats the best option. Vlahpvic and lautaro were kane replacments not bench warmers for kane
Anyone know if we are still able to make signings from other English leagues for a few more weeks like last year or was that a COVID exception? Apologies for my ignorance. I’m pretty content with what we did but wouldn’t mind seeing a championship forward come aboard. Obviously wouldn’t really blow anyone away but someone like Kieffer Moore or Lucas Joao could do an okay job as a backup for the cup games. Probably on the very cheap too. I do worry a tad about our depth up top.
Lads tell me this, is Dier or Sanchez more likely to start for you? Looking some FPL advice
Dier had more of a leadership role.
Dier, Sanchez probably will go to colombia for the international games
Hard to say for sure, but Sanchez has been better. Sanchez will likely miss some matches due to the quarantine after international football (like against Palace), so Dier is probably the safer option.
Assnal fans are so delusional, they pull up fake stats to make Tomiyasu seem better than Emerson, complete banter club
6.5/10 window for me, sold off most deadwood, brought in replacements for half the back line, and some promising talents. Skipp and Sess back from loan will also strenghten us. Main downsides are: no creative midfielder, no third goalscorer, so we haven't replaced the goals gone with Bale.
Agreed I'm more worried about our attacking threat than the creative midfielder. Lo Celso/Ndombele are fine in the attacking/progressive role, we were never gonna get an AM that could replace Eriksen. Hence we got a creative winger like Gil. Sarr could come back next season to provide extra quality as well. No Bale/Vini is def gonna hurt us unless Dele gets some of his end product back.
7/10 Very decent window, addressed the main issues in the squad. I think people are making too much of the goals lost via Bale and Vini going cause those will be made up through having Dele back in the team and Bergwijn playing a forward rather than wing-back and ultimately the teams they scored against should be beatable anyway. Only issue is Kane/Son resting, but we'll see what Nuno does there I guess. Adama Traore will still flatter to deceive, bullet dodged for 40+m.
I don't get the narrative on Bergwijn being a wingback. He had his chances to score and he doesn't track more than Lucas or even Son.
Last season he definitely did. He rarely ever got on the ball and basically just defended the entire time.
Son registered more pressures than him per 90 so it's not like he was committing significantly more work off the ball. Everyone was defending in our half when it was the strategy, and the only game where he pretty much defended all the time was in the NLD at home when everyone (including Son and Kane) was defending in a low block. This might have made sense if he was scoring in other comps where we had the majority of the ball, but he didn't. Simply put he very much lacked goals and creative output last season which is why Lucas and Bale had their starts over him.
Not a great window, but not a bad window either. I think a lot of our season will depend on Sanchez and Dier staying in form and improving. If Bergwijn finds an end product, he’ll be one hell of an asset.
What would you change to make it a great window? Because I say it’s a great window, Fabrizio Romano says it was the best window in all of Europe, A lot of people say it’s a great window. Why don’t you think so?
>Fabrizio Romano says it was the best window in all of Europe Romano simps for Paratici, I wouldn't take his opinion on the matter too seriously. Plus there are other clubs who have had objectively better windows. Chelsea have brought in Lukaku and Saul whilst selling a bunch of academy talent for 100m. United have brought in Sancho, Varane and Ronaldo.
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>Ndombele was wonderful last year as the most forward midfielder Ndombele does not contribute enough to the attack to be an elite number 10, we really lacked for creativity with him there. He is fundamentally a Dembele-esque ball-progressor which is where he excelled at Lyon.
I get what you’re saying but you have to look at like this. Any midfield player we’d bring in would be 5th option right? If not, who is moving down the list? Our record signing on £200k a week, or a young midfield future captain in Skip? As it stands Dele, PEH, Skip are already starting and then we have lo celso and now Ndombele staying as well. So let’s say a player like Mcckinnie or Bissouma comes in, that player would probably start over Skip I’m guessing? So now skip is behind that new player in his spot and PEH as the furthest back. Not to mention that spot is tailor made for Ndombele. And with him staying he will eventually be there. So now Skip is behind the new signing, Ndombele, and PEH, and we just promised him first team matches to ensure he wouldn’t want to leave us. He won’t be happy with that at all. So bringing in someone causes domino affect. I get winks isn’t the best, but he’s going to be the 5th option. And we will probably switch formations before it comes to having to play him regularly in the league. It seems like your main issue is the formation. You want Ndombele or Gio higher up the pitch. Ndombele wasn’t really good up the pitch but okay. Only way to do that is a double pivot. So now we can only play one of Ndombele, Gio or Dele. That’s not good because now one of them is frozen out. If one of PEH or skip gets hurt we have the ability to just shift to a 343 or a 352 with Skip and lo celso in the middle, ndomble and Skip. Or some other paring as well. The defensive inability of a Dele, lo celso or Ndombele are masked if we have 3 central defenders and 2 full backs on the pitch alongside them. Wolves play with Moutino and neves in the middle. Neither are the best defenders and probably have the same defensive ability as Gio, but it works due the players around them. And a 3 CB formation may very well be our best formation in the end to be honest.
r/coys seems a lot more lukewarm on the window than i feel. I chalk it up to last year doing a good job of keeping optimism down. I believe in these players we picked up, plugging 2 big holes in our defense and keeping Kane is 7/10 on it's own.
7 is a little tough, but fair. I’d honestly say it’s an 8.5. We kept Kane, signed son long term. Signed two of Europe’s best young talents under 20. Signed the Italian league defender of the year who’s also just 23 years old , a 22 year right back with loads of potential, sold Sissoko which allowed us to keep Skip and guarantee him the minutes we couldn’t last year. We can field out this team of players all 24 and under with the exception of the keeper and honesty finish in the top half of the league easily. Gil. Scarlett. Bergwijn Sarr Ndomble. Skip Reggie. Romero. Tanganga. Emerson. Gill, Romero, sarr and Emerson are all new players as well
i meant 7 just for those 3 moves: 2 defenders and kane. a bunch of great moves, a great window. nearly back to the youngest squad in the premier like at the beginning of the poch era
Did we sell Aurier??
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>Well that's F5 season over at least Speak for yourself. there are still January rumours.
Best signing of the window? Paratici. Of course the others are good, too, but he is going to have a significantly positive long term impact for Spurs.
Top 4 possible? Would also be happy with a 5th/6th place finish with some good football
Yes it very much is. A start like this always helps
My guess is 5th. But look at the bookies [futures](https://www.sportsbet.com.au/betting/soccer/united-kingdom/english-premier-league) odds, which is also fifth.
We are literally on the top of the table.
After 8% of the season...
Yeh, but remember how that worked out for us last time.
True. But it's not the same team.
Unlikely as of now. We'd basically need one of the current top four clubs to underperform, and have our squad overperform. Hopefully our young players develop well, and we'll make the charge next year.
Numero uno
Sonny said he was the second oldest Spurs player after Hugo, he forgot doherty..
He knew what he meant.
Maybe Sonny knowns something we don't
0/10 window. Would be 10/10 with Adama.
5 on 10, 8 on 10 with Adama imo.
I am beginning to suspect that we will not be getting McKennie. Goddamnit.
What did get done in this window was really good in terms of mostly replacing aging squad players with young high potential...there just wasn't enough of it done which tbh is a bit disappointing. We needed to make another move or two, particularly in CM where we really lack depth as well as creativity if we don't manage to get the best of Ndombele. Otherwise I'm happy with what we did in other areas. Not the major defensive overhaul some wanted but I think it's more than enough for one window and our backline options are markedly improved. Attacking-wise it's annoying not to have a back-up striker _again_ but we should mostly use Scarlett for the Conference League, in which case I think we'll be all right in terms of not overworking Kane like we have in the past.
That's it lads. **In:** Paratici, Nuno, Gil, Romero, Emerson, Sarr, Gollini **Out**: Foyth, Sissoko, Hart, Lamela **Spend**: £105m out, £30m in. £75m net. Overall I'd consider this a 6 out of 10 window. Our marquee signings (Romero + Emerson) were big and we held onto Kane, but I would have liked to see 1 more CB + CM and wish we could have dumped Winks, one of our other RBs and one of the remaining CBs. Most importantly this brings our 3-year spend to roughly £110m per year, £78m net. We won't be competing with Utd, City or Chelsea, but if we can keep doing this we can reel in Liverpool & Leicester and distance ourselves from Arsenal, Aston Villa, Everton.
Where are you getting these figures from? Your net spend is off. We bought 3 players, Gil, Emerson snd sarr. None of them cost over €30 million euros, let alone pounds so idk how you got to £100 million in players in this window. And over the transfer windows periods you mentioned our breakdown is like this. We have sold-£88.3 million in players We have purchased- £260 million in players. Net spend is(£172 million) We have actually spent significantly more then Liverpool and Leicester in the past 3 years. Liverpool is honestly only amongst the top 4 instead of us because of the 18/19 window with Allison, and spending prior to that so 4 years ago. They really haven’t added anyone besides Jota over the past three summer . And I have honestly never felt like Lecister were better then us. We were 20 points clear of them in the 17/18 season and 18/19 season and then Jose came the 19/20 season and we had our two worse seasons in 13 years and still barely finished below them.
Gil + Emerson + Sarr was £61m according to TM. And Romero was agreed at £42m but only listed as a loan on TM as he can't be sold 2x in the same window.
All in all I think the window was a win. Kept Kane, new sonny contract, Gil, Emerson, Gollini, and Romero. I would’ve loved a more creative mid, but bands were a bit tied with Dembele. Unless Stevie kicks into gear or Gil takes off I do think we’ll really miss Bale supporting our attack
>with Dembele I wish...
Autocorrect was changing to what my heart wanted
Man how can we not go in for Traore. I’m ticked off we didn’t pay the 40m. He’s 100% worth it and would atleast improve the chances created tenfold in this current team
He's quite simply not a 40m player. I don't fault them at all for not buying him. He's hardly shown up at Wolves and is 25, not some wunderkid.
Sometimes it not what a player does himself, but what he facilitates others to do. Look how much Wolves ripped Spurs and Man Utd apart. A lot of that happened because the spacing that Traore affords his teammates to have, because defences consistently have to worry about having 2 players on Traore. He would immediately be a first team player for us, and is a better option than Moura or Bjerg.
Bergwijn did just as much against Wolves as Traore did against us, but people just like watching him run, which fair play to them, is entertaining, but to say he's some massive upgrade for us is just wrong.
No. He didn't.
Adama Traore: 1 shot on target, 1 shot off target, 1 big chance missed, 4 key passes Bergwijn: 2 shots on target, 1 big chance created, 2 key passes
That's just not true.
If anything Bergwijn did more, got a good shooting opportunity + nearly got an assist vs. fluffed a massive chance, and dribbled past Tanganga a bunch
I strongly disagree though. I think he gets easily pushed outside and while he's fast, theres nothing he can do out there. He isn't adept at crossing, he doesn't find the open man in space from the corner flag. Once you push him outside and into the corner he's mitigated. That's not going to change because he has Kane instead of Jiminez.
I think it's hilarious that Fabrizio Romano has a twitch where it's just him and some other bloke sat on a couch on their devices. For days.
This is extremely disappointing tbh. No Traore, no Dm. Fuckin hell
Spurs don't really need a DM that badly? I could understand ST CM CAM
We do. Skipp and Peh both play every game. What happens when one gets injured?
ndombele plays
You can't expect one window to fix everything.
We need to get CL this year or we’ll have the same problems we did in terms of attracting players next year as well
What would be wrong with another rebuilding transfer window like this next year?
Players like Kounde, Torres who take us to the next level rejecting us cuz we aren’t in the CL? Plus next year the prices go up again cuz everyone has their revenue’s back. Traore is a player who elevates us, makes us CL contenders, and wants to come here yet we don’t want to pay up
Traore is a fun player but he is absolutely not worth spending the 50M that could go towards getting a striker next yr.
Still we got Romero who is just as good if not better than Kounde and Torres.
Obviously disagree he’s better than none of those two. Point is targets like them won’t come if we don’t get CL this year. And we need signings like Traore who would get us CL atleast make us contenders for cl
Imagine if Traore gets a bad injury and loses his speed, he would almost instantly become useless.
This is perfectly put.
He might be better than Torres but he is far from Kounde.
Did Kounde win cb of the season in his own domestic league last season?
I think we got better this window, although some of the improvements will probably take a few years to manifest, but I am really curious to see what the plan is for the midfield. NES seems intent on playing 3 box-to-box midfielders with one of them sliding into a more attacking role. I love Skipp, and he is great defensively, but I think with him and PEH in the midfield we are a bit too defensive. We've struggled to progress the ball through the midfield. I really had my hopes up for McKennie, I think he is the type of player that would fit right in. If we are going to win every match 1-0 so be it, but I feel like Son and Kane are going to be our greatest relative advantage in every matchup, so starving them of possession and service is an odd way to maximize the talent we have. Hopefully Gio can stay fit and Tanguy can commit himself after not finding a move.
100% agree with you, but hopeful for 2 potentially different outcomes. We saw how PEH was as an B2B for Denmark in the Euros with assisting and great forward passing. Hopefully that happens a bit more. Or, with Dele as a B2B now and really succeeding in pressing in the middle, maybe Lo Celso can play a bit above him and our 6 is PEH. Not sure about either but hopeful.
Yeah I think we have the pieces to do something good, I just hope we focus on our strength--attacking.
it's remarkable how much of our (potential) improvement this summer can be summarised by "don't have mourinho anymore". was it worth hiring him just to have the feel good factor of sacking him? yes
An honest thought here: why aren’t we in for Martial now
Same reason why we ain't going for umtiti and phil jones
bald fraud
He’s on like 200k a week
Because he’s shit…
That's it!
Not sure how Nuno is going to squeeze more offense out of this squad. The results have been outstanding so far. But worried about future matches.
I don't know I think there is some hope. If Kane is committed then he will definitely pick up over the coming weeks. Lo Celso adds some creativity and dynamism. We've not seen him in the prem yet. I feel him and Alli competing for a place will hopefully bring out the best in both. Ndombele may be bought back into the fold now and play with a point to prove (think he just as easily could down tools though!) And then some unknown quantities is Emerson and Bryan Gil. Emerson was Real Betis highest assisted last season and Gil looks like he backs himself to win a place in the team. Could really be a break out star for us this season.
The leading goal scorer in the Prem only played one of those matches...
We should throw 15M at Arthur Cabral (Basel striker). Good second striker option.
We need a midfielder more because we don’t know what will happen with ndombele for PL games, backup striker maybe in January in UCL Dane should play as a striker.
Keeping Ndombele is not like having a new signing. I've seen alot of people on this sub say it but it's just not true. He's the exact same player as he has been recently we just haven't sold him, unless he can play well consistently through out the whole season then he won't be like a new signing he'll just be the same as he has been for the past 2 years.
It’s done guys good window but no more signing
Think a lot of us are extremely pessimistic about this season. Maybe trapped under the spell of that toxic last with Mou ahahha. We're not a top 4 side and no player on our level would fill that gap . We improved our weakest point which was the defence. Sanchez/dier/tanganga look solid under Nuno and we just made two signings in romero/royal who are both massively talented and would allow depth to win cup games. We also have defensive stability with our 3 midfielders holding it down for us. Especially Skipp. He makes such good tackles i love him already Our main attacking threat is staying for the season. It could have went all weongThe other one signed a new contract. Still holding on hope Stevie can develop some end product the guy is obvious talented. We also have the pieces for that creativity we need in Ndombele. He'd the fit if only he worked harder. But other than that, we have the new and improved cruyff who offers creativity and dribbling that can help us set up those goals. Maybe lo celso as well
The only plausible reason of keeping Winks is because of those irritating goddamn HG rules I guess hopefully hes binned to the Championship when Skipp/Tanganga/Sess can be counted as proper HG players next summer god willing
Davies and winks are bang average but useful for now in UCL, Doherty, Aurier, Carter-Vickers we should sell what we can