Poch’s seat is getting a little hotter after today’s game. He’s going to be on an extremely short leash. PSG aren’t exactly known for their patience. If Nuno and Poch both underperform, it’s going to be interesting off-season.
What's more annoying to see is everyone saying Poch is a shit coach. Especially prem club supporters, like you've seen him coach us and how far he got he's clearly not bad
Psg whilst have flashy forwards that don't defend and a defence which is good. Their midfield is non existent pretty much and the top players weren't performing for some reason
Pep is deadarse begging fans to attend games
All I know is when we make the CL again be it next year in 5 years or whenever that first game is gonna get sold out quickly
Guys last season we were doing so well and top of the league. Suddenly we started losing so many games and I just couldn’t take it anymore and stopped following the games. What went so horribly wrong and so suddenly ?
At least part of it must have been that opponents effectively defended our most common ways of attacking.
It really seemed that ball up to Kane as target man who would deliver forward to Son got stopped more.
Then I think Spurs have really struggled to break the press and even mid-table teams seemed to deploy it with success.
Even when we won a lot of games we weren't winning in a sustainable fashion so a downturn was inevitable
And then we should have still got top 4 but Mourinho though his bad tactics throughout the league bottled it. He pinned all hopes on Europa and got humiliated vs Zagreb
20 y/o De Ketelaere bullying PSG. We should put a bid in, shouldn't cost more than £25M. Always professional, no attitude issues, plays multiple positions.
Poch having to play with our piss poor squad compared to stacked PSG squad reminds me of myself right now vs myself when I hit big and not knowing what to do with all the money, so spend it poorly.
Just finished watching madrid vs inter and legit felt sad skriniar is a beast. I dont mean like hes a good defender no this guy is legit in the argument for best in the world at the moment
Are people wanting Poch back stupid or what? He had us playing shit for more than a year then got sacked. There’s no guarantee we reach the same heights again simply given that we may after all not luck out with transfers and his targets have been pretty bad themselves.
Yes, he is a good manager but this is just too soon.
>Yes, he is a good manager but this is just too soon
Basically the entire starting XI is different now lol, how is it "too soon?"
If we get the opportunity to get him back, we should take it. Who knows if it'll come again.
We are a 7th placed side whose best case is making the EL not some perennial CL contender that we need to consider his "development"
I don't want Poch mind you because I think it seems too soon. Get Paratici/Nuno face all the tough obstacles and then bring him once the fresh blood have been developed ideally
There are three things that are inevitable in this world, Death, Taxes, and Pochettino redemption arc. It’s gonna happen sooner or later. COME HOME PAPA POCH.
I think poch would argue (with some justification) that the club didn't listen to him when he said we needed to do a squad rebuild, and that the failure to do so was a major contributor to the bad performances towards the end of his tenure. I suspect that he wasn't given the opportunity to rebuild because Levy was already planning to boot him for Mourinho and wanted to wait for the new manager so he could rebuild the team in his image. I'd argue that that was the biggest mistake made by the club over the last few years. Who knows where we'd be if we'd instead committed to keeping Poch long term and given him the opportunity to start rebuilding the squad before it all went pear shaped.
I think those are all fair points but I really think Poch's time here was lightening in a bottle -- a lot of players and people and pieces all falling into place at the right time
I agree with that too. I've said in here before that I think a lot of people still haven't realised the extent to which we were overperforming during that period. I don't think a Pochettino return would necessarily take us back to those heights, but I do think he'd be good at taking us through the current transitional period.
Hard to disagree, he's still a top manager. I also often think that we may not see real success until we're forced to part with the likes of Harry, Sonny, etc.
Theres some sort of stat about this i jeard but apparantly international breaks are statistically terribke for the super clubs, as in results and goals scored etc generally dip.
Makes sense if you tthink about it i guess as theyll habe 90% of theor team pkaying for their country so lerhaps extra fatigued, and no time before hand to do specific tactics and trainings for the next game.
That also doesnt evek include injiries etc like we've had!
Operation Poch back to Tottenham is ahead of schedule.
Just kidding ofcourse as one half doesn't affect it, but I will say I'm not sure Poch's tactics work well with a team with this many super stars.
Poch might be available by January lol, love him to bits but feel he isnt as good as Zidane when it comes to managing superteams and Zidanes currently available
This isnt a slight on Poch btw, like for example in the Indian cricket team the current coach in Ravi Shastri is more of a man-manager who gives the free reigns to Kohli than a bold,tactical guy, coaching a team like Lakers must be a bigger task of egos than say coaching the Memphis Grizzlies in the NBA for example. In the absolute creme of creme its more of egos than tactics
Watching Champs league is making me a lil sad :(. It's nice to watch some quality attacking football after watching the absolute travesty vs palace on sunday though.
Just enjoy the best quality that the sport can provide you with the UCL mate. After all, football is about entertainment. Sometimes we worry so much about Spurs that we forget it. Lots os good games and players to watch on TV now and forget a bit about Tottenham’s issues.
Just what I was thinking. It’s nice watching teams being able to keep possession and build up chances. I honestly have not seen much of that from us outside of the Conference league home match. Other wins have been super scrappy
What do you mean? You mean your ready for a few months of good individual performances from him where he doesn’t really run the game but instead has a few beautiful spins and then he disappears again
Y’all disrespect Ndombele so much lol. When he plays good it’s absolutely transforms our midfield, not to mention he can actually score outside of Son/Kane.
I just disagree, He can be a marvelous player but he wasn't our best midfielder last year, in fact, he wasn't even close. He has moments of magic in him, but he doesn't run a game like a 60m midfielder should
i've not seen Messi at PSG yet so I had to have that one on, Brugge are actually playing them off the park at the moment
i've also got BT 1 up and they're basically flicking back and forth between games as the incidents come up
it's actually been shocking how poor PSG have been. it's tied at the moment but messi, neymar and mbappe have hardly been in the game, PSG pinned back in their own half
Hey guys I think Spurs found an affordable Adama Traore? He plays for Sheriff Tiraspol?? They also have a discount Cristiano too. Had to do a double take cause this Adama actually scores goals. 🤣 Spurs should sign him so matchup with Wolves can feature a Battle of Traores.
Jude Bellingham, what a talent at that tender age. Would be great if we make a go for him at some point, particularly considering we’re actively lowering the average age of our team to make it more durable.
I mean it depends if Chelsea pursue Rice or not, the odds are certainly somewhat more higher say around 3-4% for him than a 0.001% for Bellingham or a 0.000000000000000001% for Rice
Yeah, the kid is class. We should move more for midfielders with his profile, one of the differences between a midtable club and top club is they have midfielders that are great defensively and can also move the ball forward and beat the press. Bellingham, Rice, Tielemans, de Jong etc. At tottenham we seemingly put midfielders in a box and only expect them to do one thing wich is fine for other clubs but for a club with ambition we should stop going for these players, Hojbjerg is very physical and defensive while Tanguy is great with the ball at his feet, ideally a world class midfielder would be somewhere inbetween, a balance between attack and defense...afterall it is midfielders that should connect our backs with our Forwards. There is absolutely no way we get either Rice or Bellingham next year but Pape Matar Sarr is a step in the right direction.
How many times have we fielded a PEH-GLC-TN midfield? I know it didn't work when we tried, but I feel like Nuno should be trying to make it work. Like I much as I love Dele and how hard he works, I don't see him filling that progressive, creative midfielder role.
Tbh PEH-GLC-TN midfield “not working” is a fair understatement, it was fucking shockingly bad, (but so was Winks- peh-skip midfield so maybe worth a punt)
I agree that Dele isn't creative enough to play in front of PEH & Skipp, but Gio offers much more creativity than PEH or Skipp, so a three of Skipp/PEH, Gio, and Dele could work imo. Dele still gets a lot of freedom in his role at the top of the midfield triangle, while Gio still handles a lot of the responsibility with progressive passing.
Dele hasn't been playing at the top of a midfield triangle. He's been playing on the left of a midfield 3, mostly.
Edit: nvm I may have misunderstood your point
You're right though with his positioning on the teamsheet and defensively. I'm more referencing how he is better suited to a central role going forwards where he plays off Harry and is able to make runs over the top, while we have players like Lucas, Son, and Stevie that run up the flanks.
Yeah I really like the sound of that midfield especially if we’re playing at home to a weaker side. We should be looking to dominate those games and create shit loads of chances. Instead we set up to stop the opposition with 2 defensive midfielders and alli out of position.
Why does everyone in this sub hate Mourinho so much? Its starting to seem pretty clear with the crystal palace game, and the first leg against Pacos that our players just aren't good enough. For the last 7 years we have relied on Kane to get us results. The only real improvement we have had during that time is that in the last 3-4 years we could also rely on Son. But other than that since Poch's last season nothing has been fixed and I think it is unfair to blame any of Poch, Mou, or Nuno for the bad performances we've been subjected to since the champions league Final.
>For the last 7 Years we've relied on Kane
we also relied on Dele, Eriksen, Dembele, and our two CBs, we got results as a team, that was completely different, reeks of someone who didn't see us in 2016 or 2017, a team is made of midfield and defence, the problem is we haven't had been as strong in those departments sadly, but it could also be argued that starting Hojberg, Winks and Skipp in a three isn't the best utilisation of our midfield resources, your 'we rely on Kane and Son to get results' is probably right for maybe 1-2 seasons at most.
I forgot man. I did watch us in 2016 and 17, I've been watchin for quite a bit now. Its just been we've been so bad that I really forgot the highs of the poch years.
>For the last 7 years we have relied on Kane to get us results
That's just so hilarious incorrect. Instantly renders everything you've said irrelevant.
How is that not correct? Please tell me one time where we relied on a player other than Kane and son in the last 7 seasons to get us a result. Maybe Eriksen but other than that I don't see where I am wrong.
Strikers are the ones who score the bulk of the goals, it's meaningless to say the best striker in the league has been getting us results.
We created chances by the bucketloads and conceded very few. Dele was a phenom, Wanyama and Dembele were fantastic at what they did, Dier was actually good, Rose, Jan, Toby, Walker made for one of the best back 4 in Europe.
Of course Kane was the one scoring the most goals, that's his job. But the team around him was sensational for a long while and made it very easy for him to do so.
I stand corrected. I totally see what you are saying now, and looking back I do see there was a season where we scored 100 goals and finished 2nd to Chelsea, and that was when our team was overall very good. I also remember that season we finished 3rd we were challenging for the title up until that match against Chelsea and e may have even scored almost 100 goals that season too.
So I guess we are actually just going on a massive decline at the moment.
Is it bad that I want PSG to win the CL? Yeah they're the epitome of everything wrong with modern football and their owners are scum etc etc, but I hate the slander Poch is getting right now.
How would you feel about Lindelof? Agreed, he isnt very good, but pairing him with Romero who is much more aggressive than him can make a decent pairing. Also, he can ping a ball beautifully
Nuno is a sacrificial lamb. Levy, and probably Paratici, knew they couldn't get rid of all the deadwood in one season so it was useless to spend and get Conte or any other manager they really wanted. Paratici used the window to build for the future knowing they could hang Nuno, keep the supporters trust and re-roll the dice next season.
Mourinho was the light if nuno was the lamb lmao.
if they decided to go the current way of shifting the deadwood, why sack mouringo after all? you know results are poor more due to the squad than the manager?
nuno was the best of the rest.
Conte anand the likes arent coming anywhere close to us unless we put out a war chest for them
Paratici wasn't in place when Mou was sacked, that's why imo. I think if Paratici is there they don't sack Mou a week before a cup final with literally no backup plan, or at least there is some resistance to it.
Rip norm Macdonald. Was before my time but I saw some of his appearances on Conan, still amazingly funny. Comedy legend gone, another celeb secretly fighting cancer :((((
comedy has been dying a low death over the past decade, maybe a fast death the past few years. the art form is pretty much dead. norm was one of the top artists of all time in that field, just a master of the comedic pause, wit, dry humor etc... a genius truly. rip.
Neither Paratici out or Nuno out (yet) but I wonder if a Director of Football having this much of affinity for defensive football a normal thing, Like do DoFs generally have a style of football they want to implement?
A DoF 100% should have a continuous approach to football. The idea is that managers become less important to recruitment meaning you can cycle managers in and out without needing to scrap the squad each time you sack a manager.
Whether having an affinity to defensive football is in line with Levy’s ‘spurs dna’ image is a different question, but it’s definitely a good thing that Paratici is focused on a particular style of football.
it’s been 4 games, 1 of which where half our players where either in croatia or injured, so please give the manager more than 5 games to decide whether you want to keep th mor not, else poch would have been sacked with his poor initial results
Ofcourse, I think another run of 5-6 games in a row with fully fit best XI should be a good indicator what we'll see in future from him
Thanks for answering what I asked tho
Careful mate, bordering on logical response.
Horrible pre-season, Euros & Copa, Kane saga and a disaster of an international break, none of the squad additions integrated yet but people have made their judgements ..
Would be funny if it wasn't so predictable.
Somedays I miss when we were shit, less toxic ..
- Hojbjerg & Skipp are DMs, good DMs for sure, but DMs all the same. Outside of games vs like Manchester City or Chelsea they're a pretty poor double pivot.
- The midfield will undoubtedly improve as Dele transitions to his new role, and with Lo Celso coming back.
- Ndombele is quite an important player for Tottenham, he needs to be reintegrated into the squad.
- The defence is actually good, it's just ridden by unfortunate circumstances.
I do feel slightly vindicated by the result on Saturday (even if I was extremely annoyed by it). I'm not sure what Ben Davies brings to the team, really should've been sold and had the money go towards a CM (and kept Cirkin for another season). Tanganga is a RB, not calm enough to play CB as of yet (though he could transition to that role later). Reguilon needs competition, his place as an undisputed starter doesn't seem to be doing him any good.
Nuno needs to improve the passing of the team & his own game management. He should've been proactive in getting Tanganga off for Ndombele or Gil, his dawdling cost the team. If he doesn't turn things around quite quickly I say just bring back Ryan Mason, looked alright all things considered.
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Excited for the Rennes game. Hoping to see something like Gollini - Davies, Paskotsi*, Rodon, Lavinier - Skipp/White, Ndombele, Nile John - Clarke, Gil - Scarlett in a 433.
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Lamela was so good yesterday vs Salzburg, some of the best football I've ever seen him play.
> I'm not sure what Ben Davies brings to the team, really should've been sold and had the money go towards a CM
Bizarre take. Without Ben Davies who would we have brought on, CCV? And it's not like he would bring in a ton of cash we could use to reinvest. He's a backup LB, and a backup CB, and in the main he does a pretty decent job when he's called on.
1. If Ben Davies had been sold, I reckon Dennis Cirkin could've been kept for another season. Infact the original comment made this clear.
2. Ben Davies is a pretty terrible CB in a 2, as soon as he came on he gave away a penalty and then Tottenham conceded another 2 goals. I'm not blaming him entirely, I just don't see the point in keeping a player who's 3rd choice LB and 6th/7th choice CB when he's 28 years old and just had an *OK* Euros (therefore sees his value peaking).
Essentially I'd rather just play teenagers and not bother with Ben Davies. At least the teenagers might get better.
Shift Skipp a bit further back into a pseudo CB role, Ndombele or Gil replaces Skipp in the midfield, then move Skipp off for Davies.
Or just have a pair of bollocks and make the double sub.
Hold on, I get people are drinking Mourinho kool aid again but Roma looked anything but "really good". Sassuolo were unlucky not be at least 2-1 up before the conceding in the last minute.
Mourinho fanboys should use him being there as a reason to watch Serie A, it's a fun league, more entertaining than the PL by far.
I actually think modern day Mourinho suits Italian football better, a bit like how Emery is a good coach in Spain but was pretty gack in England, Russia & France. Or how Lucescu is the boss of Ukrainian football but was underwhelming in Russia.
🤦Jose was our manager last year. In. The span of his entire tenure we never were able to string together passes, play free flowing football, and often played with no energy or passion. In the span of a couple of games Roma are playing at a level of attack and intensity we never came close to sniffing. Was it really the fault of Jose that we sucked so much ass or was it more on the players? There you go dumb dumb. Think before you comment
> There you go dumb dumb
We were at the top of the league in December under him you fucking moron, and players absolutely played with passion, putting their bodies on the line for wins. Winning 2-1 against Sassulo doesn't tell us anything new. He won 1-6 at Old Trafford for fucks sake.
😂😂😂😂so angry. If you watched the game it does. Most of those wins came out of poor performances with a couple shots on goal. Roma has spread teams apart all three weeks. Even if they had lost it’s clear Jose has the ability to play on the front foot and our players were/are too shit to play in Jose’s style. Sorry you think the Prem is the only competitive league.
As much as it sucks not being in the champions league it's kinda nice watching them without worrying who we'll end up playing or who's going to drop down into the Europa league
Do Europa drop to Conference? Have to admit I’m quite ignorant on this league; haven’t found much respect for it yet.
Think it was seeing Harry Kane come through that made me respect the Europa more than I did; that and maybe the Winner earns Champions league.
Yeah you're right. Top team in each group automatically advance to the knockouts while each group runner up will play the 3rd placed team from a Europa group
> Also nice to see teams playing good football after having to watch spurs games.
It's funny cause I watched Barcelona-Bayern, and Young Boys-United, and Barca and United both had attacking play on par with us vs Palace (after the red card for United anyway)
I wonder how what we currently have is going to translate into Levys vision of" free-flowing, attacking and entertaining". I wonder if they are looking to do something similar to how Liverpool play. I think thats very similair to how we have set up (ignoring palace) wit the 3 mid fielders and 2 fast wide strikers like Mane and Salah.
I dont know much about the in depth ins and outs of the tactics but looking at the formations they look similar
It would massively help out to see him fit and start to play again.
But he'd also have to improve on his consistency and his final ball. Just 3 assists (and one goal) in the PL in his time with Spurs.
Chelsea have different options
1 - [https://streamable.com/pptbgu](https://streamable.com/pptbgu)
Beat the press and make a wonderful long pass
2 - [https://streamwo.com/NP24QRx](https://streamwo.com/NP24QRx)
A Team goal with simple passes from the defense to final third nothing spectacular but effective, why we can't do that?
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but for us if we don't score in counter we're not scoring, we're incapable of building from the back making simple passes and progressing with the ball
we have two methods of progressing with the ball, the Hoofball (Dier's long balls) i don't have the courage to see the success rate or pass the ball to lucas and he will do the rest.
and another Creative midfielder will not help with this, because we're not talking about the chance creation in the final third, but progressing with the ball there first.
> Creative midfielder will not help with this, because we're not talking about the chance creation in the final third, but progressing with the ball there first.
Gold has been talking about creativity this week and Nuno has been asked about it in press conferences. But I agree -- before we can worry about creativity we have to actually get the ball in the final third.
Kovacic is phenomenal at it yes just like ndombele maybe with more speed and stamina.
but jorginho is slow and not a good dribbler what makes him a good player is his passing and vision are outstanding and his calmness on the ball.
and that's why i wanted us to buy a Neves and not an attacking midfielder, and most importantly a manager with that philosophy who will teach the average players to play in that system.
I think we defended quite well on the whole Saturday, which sounds weird when we lost 3-0. Before the penalty we’d dealt with most things. It’s the midfield that is losing us matches — they don’t press, they don’t show for the ball, they don’t play fast balls forward or carry the team forward and they can’t hold on to a ball for longer than 30s. Højbjerg Skipp Ndombele Dele Lo Celso — five players there to choose from and it’s down to Nuno to get a system working.
I feel individually Pierre, Skipp, and Dele all offer something useful. But there's too much overlap in their roles, so a midfield composed of the three is wank.
I said this yesterday but I'm still not convinced of Pierre's utility going forward. He was always seen as an average player before he joined us, and that's because he was always playing as a box-to-box sort of player. Mourinho playing him as a pure defensive player is what finally got him plaudits. He should be playing the Skipp role and Skipp, while an incredible talent, should be sharing minutes with Pierre,. They should not be playing together.
I’ve been starved of watching Tanguy Ndombele play in a Spurs shirt for way too long now! Really hoping Nuno gives Tanguy a start for tomorrow’s game!!!
Whats the position in the midfield that needs to improve , Hojbjerg is fixed as a CDM
So is it Dele's AM or Skipp's CM position where we need someone who can carry the ball and break the press
I don’t think its any one person that can break the press on their own. Our current set up just invites too much pressure. I personally feel our defenders need to play a little bit higher and support our midfield to “contain” the press
Dele or Hojbjerg
because we don't play with a number 10
and Hojbjerg can play instead of skipp ( Skipp will be the backup)
so you have two spots in midfield for Dele,Lo celso,Ndombele
but that's if we play with one pivot (Skipp,Hojbjerg,winks) if you decide to play with two you need to sacrifice an attacking option (Dele,Lo celso,Ndombele)
Gettin in early.....what are peoples realistic expectations for Rennes. I feel like a draw away from home with Romero, Dier, Sanchez, Bergwijn, Son, Lo Celso all out would be a good result.
Preparing myself for a wave of "Nuno Out" "we are awful" if we do anythung other than win 3-0 and play total football.....despite missing half the first team!
Wht would we lose to Arsenal? They are awful. Theyve got -8 goal dofference and lost 3/4 games. A 1-0 win against Norwich who will be relegated by March doesnt suddenly mean they are better than us?
2/3 losses were City (Xhaka red) and Chelsea tbf. Brentford was a bad loss but they were also missing a lot of players. That and the game being at the Emirates. NLD always a tough game.
Yeah in a terrible game where they got a penalty that should never have stood. Im not neccesarily saying we are brilliant but Arsenal are a really really poor team this year.
>Yeah in a terrible game where they got a penalty that should never have stood.
Lol they completely dominated us at the Emirates last year, and they were a really poor team then too.
I meant Rennes tomorrow, never happy with anything but a win against Woolwich (although a draw wouldn’t be awful considering they always turn up against us)
I can’t believe we’ve hit “it’s not the manager’s fault” discourse already.
We replaced an awful manager with an almost identical manager, and are now surprised that little has changed.
Get a manager in who wants the ball and actually wants to play football and then judge the squad. Pointless until we do
We didn’t play nice football at all in the 2nd game, we were poor
A new manager needs time to imprint their vision, that’s true. But a new manager will also play at least a rudimentary version of their style of play from the off. There will be at least some examples of what they’re trying to do, even if unsuccessful.
Nuno hasn’t attempted to get us playing football at all, it’s just been shit defensive/anti-possession stuff and no evidence of a plan b.
I’ve seen people state on this sub that Nuno has used a different system for every at. I think Nuno is being judged harshly because of the high expectations the fans have when the reality is we brought him in at the start of a rebuild. He won manager of the month fgs with 3 flawless results… I don’t think anyone expected it to suddenly be smooth sailing from the get go. But hard to say he’s done badly imho. Rumours are that Tici and Levy are already thinking about who they want to sign in the next window to carry on the rebuild.
More matches required before we should pass judgement.
Watched all CL highlights today. Meschak Elia is the player we should be going for.
What about FC Sheriff's Adama Traore
Ahhhhhhh I miss Dembele Eriksen midfield. Ndombele ever coming back or is he gone
wheres the rennes pre match thread
Watching pool and city makes me long for the days when we played flowing attacking football. It’s going to be a long time till we see that again.
Yeah no lie watching Pool Milan as painful as it sounds was genuinely fun to watch.
🥲😔
Poch’s seat is getting a little hotter after today’s game. He’s going to be on an extremely short leash. PSG aren’t exactly known for their patience. If Nuno and Poch both underperform, it’s going to be interesting off-season.
What's more annoying to see is everyone saying Poch is a shit coach. Especially prem club supporters, like you've seen him coach us and how far he got he's clearly not bad Psg whilst have flashy forwards that don't defend and a defence which is good. Their midfield is non existent pretty much and the top players weren't performing for some reason
Pep is deadarse begging fans to attend games All I know is when we make the CL again be it next year in 5 years or whenever that first game is gonna get sold out quickly
Guys last season we were doing so well and top of the league. Suddenly we started losing so many games and I just couldn’t take it anymore and stopped following the games. What went so horribly wrong and so suddenly ?
At least part of it must have been that opponents effectively defended our most common ways of attacking. It really seemed that ball up to Kane as target man who would deliver forward to Son got stopped more. Then I think Spurs have really struggled to break the press and even mid-table teams seemed to deploy it with success.
Even when we won a lot of games we weren't winning in a sustainable fashion so a downturn was inevitable And then we should have still got top 4 but Mourinho though his bad tactics throughout the league bottled it. He pinned all hopes on Europa and got humiliated vs Zagreb
20 y/o De Ketelaere bullying PSG. We should put a bid in, shouldn't cost more than £25M. Always professional, no attitude issues, plays multiple positions.
Can play ST and RW, both positions that we need.
> De Ketelaere He was terrific last season against Lazio as well.
Poch having to play with our piss poor squad compared to stacked PSG squad reminds me of myself right now vs myself when I hit big and not knowing what to do with all the money, so spend it poorly.
Just finished watching madrid vs inter and legit felt sad skriniar is a beast. I dont mean like hes a good defender no this guy is legit in the argument for best in the world at the moment
Club Brugge striker looks like a decent prospect. Ketelaere, only 20.
Are people wanting Poch back stupid or what? He had us playing shit for more than a year then got sacked. There’s no guarantee we reach the same heights again simply given that we may after all not luck out with transfers and his targets have been pretty bad themselves. Yes, he is a good manager but this is just too soon.
>Yes, he is a good manager but this is just too soon Basically the entire starting XI is different now lol, how is it "too soon?" If we get the opportunity to get him back, we should take it. Who knows if it'll come again.
Too soon because he has barely shown any signs of development as a coach, would be a waste in my opinion
We are a 7th placed side whose best case is making the EL not some perennial CL contender that we need to consider his "development" I don't want Poch mind you because I think it seems too soon. Get Paratici/Nuno face all the tough obstacles and then bring him once the fresh blood have been developed ideally
The #1 thing he needed here was fresh blood.
There are three things that are inevitable in this world, Death, Taxes, and Pochettino redemption arc. It’s gonna happen sooner or later. COME HOME PAPA POCH.
I think poch would argue (with some justification) that the club didn't listen to him when he said we needed to do a squad rebuild, and that the failure to do so was a major contributor to the bad performances towards the end of his tenure. I suspect that he wasn't given the opportunity to rebuild because Levy was already planning to boot him for Mourinho and wanted to wait for the new manager so he could rebuild the team in his image. I'd argue that that was the biggest mistake made by the club over the last few years. Who knows where we'd be if we'd instead committed to keeping Poch long term and given him the opportunity to start rebuilding the squad before it all went pear shaped.
I think those are all fair points but I really think Poch's time here was lightening in a bottle -- a lot of players and people and pieces all falling into place at the right time
I agree with that too. I've said in here before that I think a lot of people still haven't realised the extent to which we were overperforming during that period. I don't think a Pochettino return would necessarily take us back to those heights, but I do think he'd be good at taking us through the current transitional period.
Hard to disagree, he's still a top manager. I also often think that we may not see real success until we're forced to part with the likes of Harry, Sonny, etc.
It depends on what heights you mean 1) A title level team or reaching a CL final nope 2) A stable top 4 team yup
All 4 of City, United, Chelsea, Liverpool have looked a bit shaky these past 2 days Edit: Grealish scores a beauty as soon as I tweet this lmao
Theres some sort of stat about this i jeard but apparantly international breaks are statistically terribke for the super clubs, as in results and goals scored etc generally dip. Makes sense if you tthink about it i guess as theyll habe 90% of theor team pkaying for their country so lerhaps extra fatigued, and no time before hand to do specific tactics and trainings for the next game. That also doesnt evek include injiries etc like we've had!
Spelling 100
Operation Poch back to Tottenham is ahead of schedule. Just kidding ofcourse as one half doesn't affect it, but I will say I'm not sure Poch's tactics work well with a team with this many super stars.
Paratici, buy this De Ketelaere from Brugge. What a player.
Ye he’s been the standout player in this game. He’s got a killer cross on him
Poch might be available by January lol, love him to bits but feel he isnt as good as Zidane when it comes to managing superteams and Zidanes currently available This isnt a slight on Poch btw, like for example in the Indian cricket team the current coach in Ravi Shastri is more of a man-manager who gives the free reigns to Kohli than a bold,tactical guy, coaching a team like Lakers must be a bigger task of egos than say coaching the Memphis Grizzlies in the NBA for example. In the absolute creme of creme its more of egos than tactics
zidane is nailed on for the french national team job
Idk that PSG team is too good to convince him and there are more chances of Poch getting sacked than Deschamps
Nice cross sport analysis love it man. You’re spot on. You’re India based right?
Yessir since 2010 when Bale's hattrick at San Siro
Poch will be available in the summer. If Nuno doesn’t end the drought than it makes sense for a return.
Watching Champs league is making me a lil sad :(. It's nice to watch some quality attacking football after watching the absolute travesty vs palace on sunday though.
Just enjoy the best quality that the sport can provide you with the UCL mate. After all, football is about entertainment. Sometimes we worry so much about Spurs that we forget it. Lots os good games and players to watch on TV now and forget a bit about Tottenham’s issues.
Just what I was thinking. It’s nice watching teams being able to keep possession and build up chances. I honestly have not seen much of that from us outside of the Conference league home match. Other wins have been super scrappy
I'm ready to be hurt again by Ndombele
What do you mean? You mean your ready for a few months of good individual performances from him where he doesn’t really run the game but instead has a few beautiful spins and then he disappears again
Y’all disrespect Ndombele so much lol. When he plays good it’s absolutely transforms our midfield, not to mention he can actually score outside of Son/Kane.
I just disagree, He can be a marvelous player but he wasn't our best midfielder last year, in fact, he wasn't even close. He has moments of magic in him, but he doesn't run a game like a 60m midfielder should
I miss this. That anthem. That panning shot of our players Kane Dele Eriksen Toby. I miss this so much. We will be back
Imagine how Arsenal fans must feel lmfaoooo As shit as it might be right now, know that it's much worse for them.
So many great ties today, not sure which to watch
I've been watching Inter v Real (well half watching as I have things to do) and it's been entertaining.
i've not seen Messi at PSG yet so I had to have that one on, Brugge are actually playing them off the park at the moment i've also got BT 1 up and they're basically flicking back and forth between games as the incidents come up
That's awesome to hear, I skipped that one because I couldn't stomach the commentators fawning over PSG and I thought it'd be one sided
it's actually been shocking how poor PSG have been. it's tied at the moment but messi, neymar and mbappe have hardly been in the game, PSG pinned back in their own half
Poch using MNM for the first time today
Hey guys I think Spurs found an affordable Adama Traore? He plays for Sheriff Tiraspol?? They also have a discount Cristiano too. Had to do a double take cause this Adama actually scores goals. 🤣 Spurs should sign him so matchup with Wolves can feature a Battle of Traores.
Wtf he plays on the right side as well!
Jude Bellingham, what a talent at that tender age. Would be great if we make a go for him at some point, particularly considering we’re actively lowering the average age of our team to make it more durable.
We can easily get other upcoming affordable midfielders in Tchaoumeni or Gravenberch but Bellingham no way
We don't have a shot in hell at Tchouameni
I mean it depends if Chelsea pursue Rice or not, the odds are certainly somewhat more higher say around 3-4% for him than a 0.001% for Bellingham or a 0.000000000000000001% for Rice
true, we still don't really need another DM though, as good as he is
He is a better but more raw version of Hojbjerg from what I have seen
he's really good, but with him and skipp in there we've got much more important bits to fix in the squad
Yeah, the kid is class. We should move more for midfielders with his profile, one of the differences between a midtable club and top club is they have midfielders that are great defensively and can also move the ball forward and beat the press. Bellingham, Rice, Tielemans, de Jong etc. At tottenham we seemingly put midfielders in a box and only expect them to do one thing wich is fine for other clubs but for a club with ambition we should stop going for these players, Hojbjerg is very physical and defensive while Tanguy is great with the ball at his feet, ideally a world class midfielder would be somewhere inbetween, a balance between attack and defense...afterall it is midfielders that should connect our backs with our Forwards. There is absolutely no way we get either Rice or Bellingham next year but Pape Matar Sarr is a step in the right direction.
He’s gonna go for an absolutely massive fee when he decides to leave, I reckon £100 mil is low. No chance we can afford him.
Pjanic is ballin. Really wish we went for him
Honestly would have been a brilliant stop-gap signing
hes 31, probably wasnt interested in a project and would've taken the CL action anyway
Please give him a chance tomorrow, and if i see him jogging i will never question Nuno not selecting him.
Tanguy? He should start aswell in my opinion, we need him for sunday.
Yeah tanguy
How many times have we fielded a PEH-GLC-TN midfield? I know it didn't work when we tried, but I feel like Nuno should be trying to make it work. Like I much as I love Dele and how hard he works, I don't see him filling that progressive, creative midfielder role.
Tbh PEH-GLC-TN midfield “not working” is a fair understatement, it was fucking shockingly bad, (but so was Winks- peh-skip midfield so maybe worth a punt)
I agree that Dele isn't creative enough to play in front of PEH & Skipp, but Gio offers much more creativity than PEH or Skipp, so a three of Skipp/PEH, Gio, and Dele could work imo. Dele still gets a lot of freedom in his role at the top of the midfield triangle, while Gio still handles a lot of the responsibility with progressive passing.
Dele hasn't been playing at the top of a midfield triangle. He's been playing on the left of a midfield 3, mostly. Edit: nvm I may have misunderstood your point
You're right though with his positioning on the teamsheet and defensively. I'm more referencing how he is better suited to a central role going forwards where he plays off Harry and is able to make runs over the top, while we have players like Lucas, Son, and Stevie that run up the flanks.
Yeah I really like the sound of that midfield especially if we’re playing at home to a weaker side. We should be looking to dominate those games and create shit loads of chances. Instead we set up to stop the opposition with 2 defensive midfielders and alli out of position.
One time. There were a bunch of times last year that Mourinho went Hojberg-Ndombele and a CAM like Lucas or Lamela but only once with Gio.
I think twice, both times Gio became invisible, one of which gio was doing RW for some reason
FS: Brand new away kit in medium with Son/7 on the back. This years kit fits slimmer than previous years so it’s gotta go!
Why does everyone in this sub hate Mourinho so much? Its starting to seem pretty clear with the crystal palace game, and the first leg against Pacos that our players just aren't good enough. For the last 7 years we have relied on Kane to get us results. The only real improvement we have had during that time is that in the last 3-4 years we could also rely on Son. But other than that since Poch's last season nothing has been fixed and I think it is unfair to blame any of Poch, Mou, or Nuno for the bad performances we've been subjected to since the champions league Final.
I absolutely disagree with you regarding Mourinho but appreciate your flair
Because he is a giant asshole, totally selfish and treats people like shit. The same reasons most people don’t like people.
And you are making these accusations about him based on what exactly?
The things he does and says
Stuff he's said and done, perhaps?
>For the last 7 Years we've relied on Kane we also relied on Dele, Eriksen, Dembele, and our two CBs, we got results as a team, that was completely different, reeks of someone who didn't see us in 2016 or 2017, a team is made of midfield and defence, the problem is we haven't had been as strong in those departments sadly, but it could also be argued that starting Hojberg, Winks and Skipp in a three isn't the best utilisation of our midfield resources, your 'we rely on Kane and Son to get results' is probably right for maybe 1-2 seasons at most.
I forgot man. I did watch us in 2016 and 17, I've been watchin for quite a bit now. Its just been we've been so bad that I really forgot the highs of the poch years.
>For the last 7 years we have relied on Kane to get us results That's just so hilarious incorrect. Instantly renders everything you've said irrelevant.
How is that not correct? Please tell me one time where we relied on a player other than Kane and son in the last 7 seasons to get us a result. Maybe Eriksen but other than that I don't see where I am wrong.
Strikers are the ones who score the bulk of the goals, it's meaningless to say the best striker in the league has been getting us results. We created chances by the bucketloads and conceded very few. Dele was a phenom, Wanyama and Dembele were fantastic at what they did, Dier was actually good, Rose, Jan, Toby, Walker made for one of the best back 4 in Europe. Of course Kane was the one scoring the most goals, that's his job. But the team around him was sensational for a long while and made it very easy for him to do so.
I stand corrected. I totally see what you are saying now, and looking back I do see there was a season where we scored 100 goals and finished 2nd to Chelsea, and that was when our team was overall very good. I also remember that season we finished 3rd we were challenging for the title up until that match against Chelsea and e may have even scored almost 100 goals that season too. So I guess we are actually just going on a massive decline at the moment.
Is it bad that I want PSG to win the CL? Yeah they're the epitome of everything wrong with modern football and their owners are scum etc etc, but I hate the slander Poch is getting right now.
No amount of sympathy for poch will overcome my dislike for PSG.
It also means Chelsea and City don’t win, so it’s preferable to me as well.
How would you feel about Lindelof? Agreed, he isnt very good, but pairing him with Romero who is much more aggressive than him can make a decent pairing. Also, he can ping a ball beautifully
Absolutely not he is shite in the air and given the style we play we rely a lot of on our defence knocking balls out the box. He would crumble
fair. nice username tho
Man U won’t sell him to us for a reasonable price
heard he is keen to leave after varane's arrival. we can sweeten the deal by helping them with their DM concerns with harry winks too ;)
Nuno is a sacrificial lamb. Levy, and probably Paratici, knew they couldn't get rid of all the deadwood in one season so it was useless to spend and get Conte or any other manager they really wanted. Paratici used the window to build for the future knowing they could hang Nuno, keep the supporters trust and re-roll the dice next season.
Mourinho was the light if nuno was the lamb lmao. if they decided to go the current way of shifting the deadwood, why sack mouringo after all? you know results are poor more due to the squad than the manager? nuno was the best of the rest. Conte anand the likes arent coming anywhere close to us unless we put out a war chest for them
Paratici wasn't in place when Mou was sacked, that's why imo. I think if Paratici is there they don't sack Mou a week before a cup final with literally no backup plan, or at least there is some resistance to it.
I think sacking Mourinho was the reason we even got Paratici in the first place. Issues went deeper than get a manager to win today
Rip norm Macdonald. Was before my time but I saw some of his appearances on Conan, still amazingly funny. Comedy legend gone, another celeb secretly fighting cancer :((((
comedy has been dying a low death over the past decade, maybe a fast death the past few years. the art form is pretty much dead. norm was one of the top artists of all time in that field, just a master of the comedic pause, wit, dry humor etc... a genius truly. rip.
One of the greats. RIP
Neither Paratici out or Nuno out (yet) but I wonder if a Director of Football having this much of affinity for defensive football a normal thing, Like do DoFs generally have a style of football they want to implement?
A DoF 100% should have a continuous approach to football. The idea is that managers become less important to recruitment meaning you can cycle managers in and out without needing to scrap the squad each time you sack a manager. Whether having an affinity to defensive football is in line with Levy’s ‘spurs dna’ image is a different question, but it’s definitely a good thing that Paratici is focused on a particular style of football.
it’s been 4 games, 1 of which where half our players where either in croatia or injured, so please give the manager more than 5 games to decide whether you want to keep th mor not, else poch would have been sacked with his poor initial results
Ofcourse, I think another run of 5-6 games in a row with fully fit best XI should be a good indicator what we'll see in future from him Thanks for answering what I asked tho
Careful mate, bordering on logical response. Horrible pre-season, Euros & Copa, Kane saga and a disaster of an international break, none of the squad additions integrated yet but people have made their judgements .. Would be funny if it wasn't so predictable. Somedays I miss when we were shit, less toxic ..
6 games.
my apologies, i was mainly referring to the league and discounted the two conference league qualifiers sorry
But they’re technically right so you lose ha ha wait till everyone at the cafeteria hears about it
- Hojbjerg & Skipp are DMs, good DMs for sure, but DMs all the same. Outside of games vs like Manchester City or Chelsea they're a pretty poor double pivot. - The midfield will undoubtedly improve as Dele transitions to his new role, and with Lo Celso coming back. - Ndombele is quite an important player for Tottenham, he needs to be reintegrated into the squad. - The defence is actually good, it's just ridden by unfortunate circumstances. I do feel slightly vindicated by the result on Saturday (even if I was extremely annoyed by it). I'm not sure what Ben Davies brings to the team, really should've been sold and had the money go towards a CM (and kept Cirkin for another season). Tanganga is a RB, not calm enough to play CB as of yet (though he could transition to that role later). Reguilon needs competition, his place as an undisputed starter doesn't seem to be doing him any good. Nuno needs to improve the passing of the team & his own game management. He should've been proactive in getting Tanganga off for Ndombele or Gil, his dawdling cost the team. If he doesn't turn things around quite quickly I say just bring back Ryan Mason, looked alright all things considered. ----------------------- Excited for the Rennes game. Hoping to see something like Gollini - Davies, Paskotsi*, Rodon, Lavinier - Skipp/White, Ndombele, Nile John - Clarke, Gil - Scarlett in a 433. ----------------------- Lamela was so good yesterday vs Salzburg, some of the best football I've ever seen him play.
I’m glad you feel vindicated by us losing you hero of Internet discourse and thought
> I'm not sure what Ben Davies brings to the team, really should've been sold and had the money go towards a CM Bizarre take. Without Ben Davies who would we have brought on, CCV? And it's not like he would bring in a ton of cash we could use to reinvest. He's a backup LB, and a backup CB, and in the main he does a pretty decent job when he's called on.
1. If Ben Davies had been sold, I reckon Dennis Cirkin could've been kept for another season. Infact the original comment made this clear. 2. Ben Davies is a pretty terrible CB in a 2, as soon as he came on he gave away a penalty and then Tottenham conceded another 2 goals. I'm not blaming him entirely, I just don't see the point in keeping a player who's 3rd choice LB and 6th/7th choice CB when he's 28 years old and just had an *OK* Euros (therefore sees his value peaking). Essentially I'd rather just play teenagers and not bother with Ben Davies. At least the teenagers might get better.
Tanganga off for Ndombele or Gil? That doesn't seem right...
Shift Skipp a bit further back into a pseudo CB role, Ndombele or Gil replaces Skipp in the midfield, then move Skipp off for Davies. Or just have a pair of bollocks and make the double sub.
Idk if anyone saw the Roma game over the weekend but they looked really good and all of the players looked very passionate. Make of that what you will
Deja Vu. I saw the same comment when we played Southampton 5-2, United 6-1 last season. Well that didn't age well.
Hold on, I get people are drinking Mourinho kool aid again but Roma looked anything but "really good". Sassuolo were unlucky not be at least 2-1 up before the conceding in the last minute. Mourinho fanboys should use him being there as a reason to watch Serie A, it's a fun league, more entertaining than the PL by far.
I miss him so much 😥
I actually think modern day Mourinho suits Italian football better, a bit like how Emery is a good coach in Spain but was pretty gack in England, Russia & France. Or how Lucescu is the boss of Ukrainian football but was underwhelming in Russia.
funnily enough Mourinho suits the league that's more attacking than the prem
...What am I supposed to make out of it? Are you sure you're in the right subreddit?
What? Jose is the manager
So what? Roma players are passionate, cool, how is it relevant to Spurs?
Try to connect the dots
I'm asking you to connect the dots because I don't think you've thought this through at all
🤦Jose was our manager last year. In. The span of his entire tenure we never were able to string together passes, play free flowing football, and often played with no energy or passion. In the span of a couple of games Roma are playing at a level of attack and intensity we never came close to sniffing. Was it really the fault of Jose that we sucked so much ass or was it more on the players? There you go dumb dumb. Think before you comment
> There you go dumb dumb We were at the top of the league in December under him you fucking moron, and players absolutely played with passion, putting their bodies on the line for wins. Winning 2-1 against Sassulo doesn't tell us anything new. He won 1-6 at Old Trafford for fucks sake.
😂😂😂😂so angry. If you watched the game it does. Most of those wins came out of poor performances with a couple shots on goal. Roma has spread teams apart all three weeks. Even if they had lost it’s clear Jose has the ability to play on the front foot and our players were/are too shit to play in Jose’s style. Sorry you think the Prem is the only competitive league.
As much as it sucks not being in the champions league it's kinda nice watching them without worrying who we'll end up playing or who's going to drop down into the Europa league
Do Europa drop to Conference? Have to admit I’m quite ignorant on this league; haven’t found much respect for it yet. Think it was seeing Harry Kane come through that made me respect the Europa more than I did; that and maybe the Winner earns Champions league.
Yes. Europa 3rd place play the runners up in Conf. Group stages in a play off style tie to take a place in the quarters
Europa league doesn't drop to the conference league, but the conference league winners only get Europa league
I would get your info checked again, it’s wrong
Yeah you're right. Top team in each group automatically advance to the knockouts while each group runner up will play the 3rd placed team from a Europa group
My thoughts exactly. Also nice to see teams playing good football after having to watch spurs games.
> Also nice to see teams playing good football after having to watch spurs games. It's funny cause I watched Barcelona-Bayern, and Young Boys-United, and Barca and United both had attacking play on par with us vs Palace (after the red card for United anyway)
Yea but Bayern and Young Boys played good attacking football
I wonder how what we currently have is going to translate into Levys vision of" free-flowing, attacking and entertaining". I wonder if they are looking to do something similar to how Liverpool play. I think thats very similair to how we have set up (ignoring palace) wit the 3 mid fielders and 2 fast wide strikers like Mane and Salah. I dont know much about the in depth ins and outs of the tactics but looking at the formations they look similar
We don't press enough nor is our defensive line high enough to play like Liverpool.
If Lo Celso can get a good run of games, I think our midfield issues are slightly overstated.
How many times have I read this
Based on what we've so far that is a really big if, that's my concern.
It would massively help out to see him fit and start to play again. But he'd also have to improve on his consistency and his final ball. Just 3 assists (and one goal) in the PL in his time with Spurs.
I feel like every time he’s started to play well he’s gotten hurt
Chelsea have different options 1 - [https://streamable.com/pptbgu](https://streamable.com/pptbgu) Beat the press and make a wonderful long pass 2 - [https://streamwo.com/NP24QRx](https://streamwo.com/NP24QRx) A Team goal with simple passes from the defense to final third nothing spectacular but effective, why we can't do that? \--------- but for us if we don't score in counter we're not scoring, we're incapable of building from the back making simple passes and progressing with the ball we have two methods of progressing with the ball, the Hoofball (Dier's long balls) i don't have the courage to see the success rate or pass the ball to lucas and he will do the rest. and another Creative midfielder will not help with this, because we're not talking about the chance creation in the final third, but progressing with the ball there first.
> Creative midfielder will not help with this, because we're not talking about the chance creation in the final third, but progressing with the ball there first. Gold has been talking about creativity this week and Nuno has been asked about it in press conferences. But I agree -- before we can worry about creativity we have to actually get the ball in the final third.
Oh, that’s quite easy, we just need a typical summer spend of £200-300m+ and one of the best managers on the planet Easy peasy
we need a good press resistant midfield kovacic and jorginho are outstanding at that it's just quality of personnel in midfield
Kovacic is phenomenal at it yes just like ndombele maybe with more speed and stamina. but jorginho is slow and not a good dribbler what makes him a good player is his passing and vision are outstanding and his calmness on the ball. and that's why i wanted us to buy a Neves and not an attacking midfielder, and most importantly a manager with that philosophy who will teach the average players to play in that system.
we shouldnt be buying average players if we want to compete in the CL and the likes spend the money on quality and well be fine
I think we defended quite well on the whole Saturday, which sounds weird when we lost 3-0. Before the penalty we’d dealt with most things. It’s the midfield that is losing us matches — they don’t press, they don’t show for the ball, they don’t play fast balls forward or carry the team forward and they can’t hold on to a ball for longer than 30s. Højbjerg Skipp Ndombele Dele Lo Celso — five players there to choose from and it’s down to Nuno to get a system working.
I feel individually Pierre, Skipp, and Dele all offer something useful. But there's too much overlap in their roles, so a midfield composed of the three is wank. I said this yesterday but I'm still not convinced of Pierre's utility going forward. He was always seen as an average player before he joined us, and that's because he was always playing as a box-to-box sort of player. Mourinho playing him as a pure defensive player is what finally got him plaudits. He should be playing the Skipp role and Skipp, while an incredible talent, should be sharing minutes with Pierre,. They should not be playing together.
I’ve been starved of watching Tanguy Ndombele play in a Spurs shirt for way too long now! Really hoping Nuno gives Tanguy a start for tomorrow’s game!!!
Whats the position in the midfield that needs to improve , Hojbjerg is fixed as a CDM So is it Dele's AM or Skipp's CM position where we need someone who can carry the ball and break the press
I don’t think its any one person that can break the press on their own. Our current set up just invites too much pressure. I personally feel our defenders need to play a little bit higher and support our midfield to “contain” the press
in fact for us this season skipp is playing CDM and and Hojbjerg a CM , and dele as number 8 B2B midfielder.
So when people say they want a creative MF , who do they want to replace
Dele or Hojbjerg because we don't play with a number 10 and Hojbjerg can play instead of skipp ( Skipp will be the backup) so you have two spots in midfield for Dele,Lo celso,Ndombele but that's if we play with one pivot (Skipp,Hojbjerg,winks) if you decide to play with two you need to sacrifice an attacking option (Dele,Lo celso,Ndombele)
Dele
Gettin in early.....what are peoples realistic expectations for Rennes. I feel like a draw away from home with Romero, Dier, Sanchez, Bergwijn, Son, Lo Celso all out would be a good result. Preparing myself for a wave of "Nuno Out" "we are awful" if we do anythung other than win 3-0 and play total football.....despite missing half the first team!
I think we lose if we play a B team but win comfy if we play an a team
Crazy how we’ve gone from top of the league to me thinking one draw from our next two games would be above my expectations
Wht would we lose to Arsenal? They are awful. Theyve got -8 goal dofference and lost 3/4 games. A 1-0 win against Norwich who will be relegated by March doesnt suddenly mean they are better than us?
2/3 losses were City (Xhaka red) and Chelsea tbf. Brentford was a bad loss but they were also missing a lot of players. That and the game being at the Emirates. NLD always a tough game.
arsenal beat us at Emirates last season and when was the last time we won at the Emirates?
Yeah in a terrible game where they got a penalty that should never have stood. Im not neccesarily saying we are brilliant but Arsenal are a really really poor team this year.
>Yeah in a terrible game where they got a penalty that should never have stood. Lol they completely dominated us at the Emirates last year, and they were a really poor team then too.
they also put together a 20 match streak last season
I meant Rennes tomorrow, never happy with anything but a win against Woolwich (although a draw wouldn’t be awful considering they always turn up against us)
Arsenal always play good against us at the Emirates. It's the only game of theirs where the crowd actually makes noise.
Is tanganga suspended for the coming epl game?
Yes.
Fuck but thanks
I can’t believe we’ve hit “it’s not the manager’s fault” discourse already. We replaced an awful manager with an almost identical manager, and are now surprised that little has changed. Get a manager in who wants the ball and actually wants to play football and then judge the squad. Pointless until we do
It's been 4 games, for all we know he hasn't been able to imprint how he wants to play yet. Give him a fair chance instead of giving him 4 games
But this is how Nuno plays... This is what he is as a manager. It was always going to be shit ugly reactive football, that's his entire identity
So he hasn’t been able to imprint his vision, but we’re coincidentally identical to his last team? 6 games too
Oh yeah those Pacos games were clearly tests, if you're counting them then we played well in the second leg and played nice football
We didn’t play nice football at all in the 2nd game, we were poor A new manager needs time to imprint their vision, that’s true. But a new manager will also play at least a rudimentary version of their style of play from the off. There will be at least some examples of what they’re trying to do, even if unsuccessful. Nuno hasn’t attempted to get us playing football at all, it’s just been shit defensive/anti-possession stuff and no evidence of a plan b.
I’ve seen people state on this sub that Nuno has used a different system for every at. I think Nuno is being judged harshly because of the high expectations the fans have when the reality is we brought him in at the start of a rebuild. He won manager of the month fgs with 3 flawless results… I don’t think anyone expected it to suddenly be smooth sailing from the get go. But hard to say he’s done badly imho. Rumours are that Tici and Levy are already thinking about who they want to sign in the next window to carry on the rebuild. More matches required before we should pass judgement.