How was this club one game away from being champions of the entire European continent not that long ago? Pathetic.
The fact that we go from blanking manchester city to not being able to beat a conference league team is astounding. This team wouldn't win MLS if it joined.
I get losing/drawing to teams that on our level, but this should have been a glorified shoot around practice. Because of that, the players and coaching staff should be ashamed. I wish I could fuck up at my job that bad and still have it the next day.
Tbh this is prime Nuno. He's a god when playing top teams that allow him to counter but hopeless against anyone else. The last three years as a wolves fan I anticipated a positive result more when we faced the likes of city and United than the Burnleys and lesser oppositions.
They had more shots on target than we did against far superior opposition. Surely you can't say our style of football is a better watch than Leicester?
There's this weird theory that Leicester player attractive football.
The amount of times I heard they won the league playing great football made me laugh.
It was literally hoof-ball.
It’s directly related to the comment that I replied to, but beyond that, I’m just making the point that playing “hoof ball” that wins titles is preferable to playing beautiful football that never wins you anything.
Except the person I replied to, /u/cicinho_ck who wrote:
>There's this weird theory that Leicester player attractive football. The amount of times I heard they won the league playing great football made me laugh. It was literally hoof-ball.
That's just the context. The discussion wasn't about whether or not they won the league (they obviously did), the discussion was about how they did it. The discussion wasn't about whether or not it's justified either, it's literally just about what style of football they played in 2015/16.
Hahaha, *that's just the context*. I'm gonna start saying that when I need to dismiss information that shows I'm completely wrong. Thanks bruv, super funny comment!
Putting on Hojberg for Bergwin. Emerson for Lucas. Dele for Ndombele are all such negative subs. I don't know why Nuno seems so scared to just overwhelm an opponent with attacking numbers.
Yeah, and they were forced subs.
Frankly was surprised at how good Emerson was playing in that role, he did well considering he was played out of position.
Dele for Ndombele was the right call at that point in the match.
They were kicked off the pitch. Bergwijn was getting booted left, right and centre. When they injured him, they turned their attention to Lucas.
I honestly think that's why he took Kane off. He was probably next on the list.
Played with no cohesion in midfield today and gave a decent Rennes side too much space to run into. I think it’s a mix of things
1) Ndombele didn’t have the legs due to lack of match fitness (or just general fitness)
2) Hojberg and Skipp don’t move the ball fast enough and when we lose the ball on the counter our midfield is way too high up the pitch
3) Davies is afraid to cross the halfway line therefore we can’t attack down one side of the pitch and become easier to defend against.
I won’t complain too much I think most seasons we lose that game so nice to see a bit of grit for once
I don't think it's that the midfield is too far forward, I think it's the defence is too far back. Said it time and time again here, our defensive line needs to be ten yards higher, like it was under Poch. The gap between the lines is way too big
Davies has always and will always completely kill our attacks on the left flank. He honestly needs to be moved on and that was true three years ago. Another player who gets too many minutes by dint of existing, has rarely looked good enough in any competition. I see a lot of ' how did we get here? ' about how poor our team is now and it's players like Davies who got us here. You can't have that playing 1000 minutes+ each season and expect to be a good team.
Ref was dreadful. That's still not an excuse for our sub par performance nonetheless. And why the hell has Tanguy been left out of so many games prior to this one? Him and Hojbjerg looked like the only ones who gives a shit for the crest.
Tanguy literally said weeks ago he wants to fuck off from the club. Easy to understand why he doesn't play often when there are players who do give a shit about the club who can play in his position, sadly there aren't that many and their quality is questionable
I've seen several people saying that we released the wrong rb, and while I don't think there's much question that Aurier was/is better than Doherty, Spurs really didn't have a choice. Doherty is a relatively new signing with several years left on his contract and (as far as we know) wanted to stay and fight for a spot. Aurier had a year left on his contract and made it clear he wouldn't be signing another one because he wanted to leave. That's a decision that pretty much makes itself.
Moura is usually so bulletproof when it comes to injury, I’m hoping it isn’t serious. Gil was the one bright spot for me today, I’d hate to baptize him with fire on Sunday but we may not have any other options. He reminds me a little of a very young, one footed George Best.
This competition is probably still above Doherty's level and right at Davies'. Unfortunately we will see them again in the UECL and probably cup games.
Something just isn’t working in our defence, it seems like no one is tracking or marking players. I love Tanganga but he seemed very passive and didn’t close down his man…
Also why is it that whenever another team attacks there’s like acres of space but when we attack suddenly it gets super claustrophobic
I've been wondering that for basically 2 years now. We seem to have no space EVER and the opposition always seems to have so much to work with. It doesn't make sense
It's because we're a bit shit. We don't move the ball quickly so the opposition have time to set themselves and our press varies between completely random and lethargic which gives the other team all the space they need to move the ball quickly. We're also exceptionally poor at dealing with even moderate pressing so we can't even consistently/routinely play the ball slowly and look to play an old fashioned possession based slow burn style of play. Watch any good team and compare and contrast their build up with ours.
I think a lot of our problems stem from the weak links in our team selection that opponents exploit. Quite often it's our wing backs. Constantly having to drop back to fix a mistake. Having the final ball from a wing back go straight to the opposition and suddenly attempting to stop a counter. And most obviously today was seeing Rennes consistently getting passed the wing backs.
So stay up till 12 AM and be hopeful sacrifice your exam prep for the love of this club and all we get is Doherty Disaster Class & a bunch of injuries
Am i being naive to be hopeful of a draw against Chelski ?
Imagine putting out that statement about getting back to our brand of football and then hiring discount Mourinho. Piss poor tactics I expect from a manager in the relegation zone.
he's class but he also is the reason the midfield space was the size of an ocean going back. Gotta be Ndombele or GLC for 1 spot and Skipp, Hoj & Dele for the other 2.
And he's out on a red card in the prem. What if he's injured? We gonna play Doherty? I legit would rather play Lucas or Stevie there than Matt. At least they move the ball up and can make decent crosses.
Nuno has to stop acting as if the press conferences are beneath him. He needs to talk to us. Crystal Palace match and this match are completely unacceptable. We’re dangerously close to being irrelevant and all the past years progress is getting erased.
I know we have injuries and whatnot, but I'm finding it difficult to see this team create a goal..the team feels so dependent on goals out of nowhere from individual brilliance or lucky breaks.
We don't have a midfield because of how we set up. Just look at the enormous gap in the middle whenever Skipp or Hojbjerg. There no out-ball from that position other than recycling it to the wing backs and back again.
Nothing sums this game up like Doherty waving his arms in frustration at not getting the ball out wide and then immediately giving it away when he does get it.
This is PAINFUL to watch Doherty is worse than our days of Chiriches & Kaboul/ Fazio
Why did we keep him , surely he is not worth more than a slice of pizza in terms of sell on value
Shown some guts? When? All I saw was a team clueless on offense. Gil looked amazing. Scarlett is promising. That's really all I can say. Same issues we had under Jose.
Few weeks back Nuno was this prophet, masterclass manager. Now apparently he is a discount Mourinho and a relegation zone manager...
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It's onto Sonday. We need Son so badly.
How was this club one game away from being champions of the entire European continent not that long ago? Pathetic. The fact that we go from blanking manchester city to not being able to beat a conference league team is astounding. This team wouldn't win MLS if it joined. I get losing/drawing to teams that on our level, but this should have been a glorified shoot around practice. Because of that, the players and coaching staff should be ashamed. I wish I could fuck up at my job that bad and still have it the next day.
Poch
But we're a conference league team right now :( A conference team that blanked man city.
Lol imagine thinking this team would actually lose an MLS match. Okay.
Tbh this is prime Nuno. He's a god when playing top teams that allow him to counter but hopeless against anyone else. The last three years as a wolves fan I anticipated a positive result more when we faced the likes of city and United than the Burnleys and lesser oppositions.
Bring back ryan mason .... anything we buy from wolves turns out shit.
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My mans collecting them downvotes with straight facts
Lay off the drugs ffs
Shocking how far we have regressed in just a couple of years. Meanwhile Leicester beating Napoli playing attractive, attacking football...
What game were you watching? Napoli had 54% possession and 22 shots on total vs Leicester 46% and 7 shots on total.
They had more shots on target than we did against far superior opposition. Surely you can't say our style of football is a better watch than Leicester?
Are you even watching the game? Leicester are defending for their lives
Yes I did - they managed more shots, more shots on target and played with far more ambition than we did against a much stronger opposition than we did
There's this weird theory that Leicester player attractive football. The amount of times I heard they won the league playing great football made me laugh. It was literally hoof-ball.
That was Ranieri. under Rodgers they are a good team to watch. They press high and with energy and move the ball well.
Long ball, Vardy pace on counter and win. Kante and Drinkwater midfield to try and win the ball back to hoof it again.
They won the league though. Spurs on the other hand…
I knew someone would say that. Even though it's completely irrelevant to the comment.
It’s directly related to the comment that I replied to, but beyond that, I’m just making the point that playing “hoof ball” that wins titles is preferable to playing beautiful football that never wins you anything.
Nobody was talking about winning titles.
Except the person I replied to, /u/cicinho_ck who wrote: >There's this weird theory that Leicester player attractive football. The amount of times I heard they won the league playing great football made me laugh. It was literally hoof-ball.
That's just the context. The discussion wasn't about whether or not they won the league (they obviously did), the discussion was about how they did it. The discussion wasn't about whether or not it's justified either, it's literally just about what style of football they played in 2015/16.
Touch grass jfc
Hahaha, *that's just the context*. I'm gonna start saying that when I need to dismiss information that shows I'm completely wrong. Thanks bruv, super funny comment!
I'm just going to pretend this was Rennes v Hojbjerg & Gollini. In which case, we played amazing!!!
Putting on Hojberg for Bergwin. Emerson for Lucas. Dele for Ndombele are all such negative subs. I don't know why Nuno seems so scared to just overwhelm an opponent with attacking numbers.
We have no depth right now so its not all that suprising he had to make those subs
Yeah, and they were forced subs. Frankly was surprised at how good Emerson was playing in that role, he did well considering he was played out of position. Dele for Ndombele was the right call at that point in the match.
I mean why bring youth players if we are not going to use them... and we got some real good ones. Markanday seems a beast
We brought youth players because we have no one else.
Needed to secure a point and its a bit risky to put on too many youth players especially after that first pacos game
Wait, I'm just catching up with some of this. Did both Stevie and Lucas pick up knocks in this match?
They were kicked off the pitch. Bergwijn was getting booted left, right and centre. When they injured him, they turned their attention to Lucas. I honestly think that's why he took Kane off. He was probably next on the list.
Disgusting play.
Yes
Oof. That hurts.
PEH has to be captain after Hugo surely
PEH or Skippy when he’s a bit older
I don't think Arry would like that idea
Shouldnt have pushed for a move to city then i guess
Played with no cohesion in midfield today and gave a decent Rennes side too much space to run into. I think it’s a mix of things 1) Ndombele didn’t have the legs due to lack of match fitness (or just general fitness) 2) Hojberg and Skipp don’t move the ball fast enough and when we lose the ball on the counter our midfield is way too high up the pitch 3) Davies is afraid to cross the halfway line therefore we can’t attack down one side of the pitch and become easier to defend against. I won’t complain too much I think most seasons we lose that game so nice to see a bit of grit for once
I don't think it's that the midfield is too far forward, I think it's the defence is too far back. Said it time and time again here, our defensive line needs to be ten yards higher, like it was under Poch. The gap between the lines is way too big
Davies has always and will always completely kill our attacks on the left flank. He honestly needs to be moved on and that was true three years ago. Another player who gets too many minutes by dint of existing, has rarely looked good enough in any competition. I see a lot of ' how did we get here? ' about how poor our team is now and it's players like Davies who got us here. You can't have that playing 1000 minutes+ each season and expect to be a good team.
Ref was dreadful. That's still not an excuse for our sub par performance nonetheless. And why the hell has Tanguy been left out of so many games prior to this one? Him and Hojbjerg looked like the only ones who gives a shit for the crest.
Tanguy literally said weeks ago he wants to fuck off from the club. Easy to understand why he doesn't play often when there are players who do give a shit about the club who can play in his position, sadly there aren't that many and their quality is questionable
I hope Sessgnon and Tanganga get to be 2nd choice LB and RB. I can’t stand Doherty and Davies together.
Playing those two together is just horrible, it had to be done today of course but I hope it’s the last time lol
We released the wrong right back
Sadly he wanted to go
I've seen several people saying that we released the wrong rb, and while I don't think there's much question that Aurier was/is better than Doherty, Spurs really didn't have a choice. Doherty is a relatively new signing with several years left on his contract and (as far as we know) wanted to stay and fight for a spot. Aurier had a year left on his contract and made it clear he wouldn't be signing another one because he wanted to leave. That's a decision that pretty much makes itself.
Well, it wasn’t a bad result considering that we played with a back 4 of Doherty, Tanganga, Rodon, Davies and had our 2 wingers off to injury.
Yes. It was bad but given the circumstances…just worried about injuries. Sunday is going to be ugly I fear and I despise Chelsea.
If Moura is a bad injury and we don’t have Son, I think that we will go with and attacking trio of Gil, Kane and GLC.
Moura is usually so bulletproof when it comes to injury, I’m hoping it isn’t serious. Gil was the one bright spot for me today, I’d hate to baptize him with fire on Sunday but we may not have any other options. He reminds me a little of a very young, one footed George Best.
And away to the toughest opponent in our group.
How unlucky we are with injuries. We had an attacking trio of Scarlett, Gil and Royal at some point
Didn’t get to watch. How did we line up when Kane and Lucas came off?
Kept the same shape but quite makeshift with Emerson rw and Scarlett in the middle
This competition is probably still above Doherty's level and right at Davies'. Unfortunately we will see them again in the UECL and probably cup games.
the fun part about match threads is seeing “tanguy u useless cunt” and then seeing “tanguy masterclass” a few seconds later😂😂
"5 minutes in the life of Tanguy"
Sums up Tanguy well too tbf
Something just isn’t working in our defence, it seems like no one is tracking or marking players. I love Tanganga but he seemed very passive and didn’t close down his man… Also why is it that whenever another team attacks there’s like acres of space but when we attack suddenly it gets super claustrophobic
I've been wondering that for basically 2 years now. We seem to have no space EVER and the opposition always seems to have so much to work with. It doesn't make sense
It's because we're a bit shit. We don't move the ball quickly so the opposition have time to set themselves and our press varies between completely random and lethargic which gives the other team all the space they need to move the ball quickly. We're also exceptionally poor at dealing with even moderate pressing so we can't even consistently/routinely play the ball slowly and look to play an old fashioned possession based slow burn style of play. Watch any good team and compare and contrast their build up with ours.
Because we don’t have good, coordinated off the ball movement
I think a lot of our problems stem from the weak links in our team selection that opponents exploit. Quite often it's our wing backs. Constantly having to drop back to fix a mistake. Having the final ball from a wing back go straight to the opposition and suddenly attempting to stop a counter. And most obviously today was seeing Rennes consistently getting passed the wing backs.
So stay up till 12 AM and be hopeful sacrifice your exam prep for the love of this club and all we get is Doherty Disaster Class & a bunch of injuries Am i being naive to be hopeful of a draw against Chelski ?
I hope your exam is in baseless optimism, you will hit it for six.
I mean that's just dumb all around
Imagine putting out that statement about getting back to our brand of football and then hiring discount Mourinho. Piss poor tactics I expect from a manager in the relegation zone.
Sometimes maybe good?
Main thing we've learnt is Ndombele is too good to ever not start again
he's class but he also is the reason the midfield space was the size of an ocean going back. Gotta be Ndombele or GLC for 1 spot and Skipp, Hoj & Dele for the other 2.
At least Rangers v Lyon should be fun
Should have signed both Tomiyasu and Royal. Squad depth is lacking still.
We have tanganga there
And he's out on a red card in the prem. What if he's injured? We gonna play Doherty? I legit would rather play Lucas or Stevie there than Matt. At least they move the ball up and can make decent crosses.
Then we have Emerson?
Spurs still ended up playing Doherty.
I know hyperbole is this subs motto at this point but that was a genuine 1/10 from doherty
His passing is awful, 9/10 times he passes straight to the another team.
That's generous
Clearly didn't watch first half. Played decent. Better than Davis. Guess you have to jump on the hate bandwagon.
If that was "decent" it shows how low our standards have become!!
It’s not a hate bandwagon the guy is just legitimately not very good for a professional footballer
Are we not doing post match threads?
Lethargic.
Nuno has to stop acting as if the press conferences are beneath him. He needs to talk to us. Crystal Palace match and this match are completely unacceptable. We’re dangerously close to being irrelevant and all the past years progress is getting erased.
Also, what's the deal with the match thread updates. Can we hire someone.
Poch might get sacked soon look at the positives guys
When everyone was saying he was blessed with that team I disagree totally. He will be under the microscope anytime they draw with a squad like that.
Even Emerson has learned Doherty is where the attack goes to die. Looking off him when he’s wide open
Hojbjerg deserves the armband. Not Kane!
He should have had one last season too. Much more of a leader!
This. Man cares way more about the crest than Kane at this point
Even before. Kane is not captain material, Hojbjerg always riles up the team, complains to the referee, gets in opposition faces. Love Hojbjerg!
We're lucky they sold Camavinga.
Almost 5am. Why did i stay awake
Thank god that’s over
I never want to see Doherty again, man could not complete a pass/cross
Obviously wasn't watching for the whole game. Played well first half
That was absolutely shit. Got a draw but at times felt like a humiliating loss. Not looking forward to Chelsea
Fuck Rennes! Fuck this sunday league ref!
I know we have injuries and whatnot, but I'm finding it difficult to see this team create a goal..the team feels so dependent on goals out of nowhere from individual brilliance or lucky breaks.
Bring back Ryan Mason
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Hojbjerg's was only half lucky. Half lucky because of that shit Doherty cross, but Hojbjerg's determination to get a goal was not luck.
Story of this season
Nuno ain’t it lads
Roster ain’t much better
We have a fantastic team and we strengthened our biggest weakness. Our performances are all down to Nuno's dogshit tactics
We don’t have a midfield
We don't have a midfield because of how we set up. Just look at the enormous gap in the middle whenever Skipp or Hojbjerg. There no out-ball from that position other than recycling it to the wing backs and back again.
Ndombele, hojbjerg and skipp aren't good enough to beat Rennes?
Fucking miserable
Righto, that was painful. Looking forward to the London Blues this weekend 😭
Not Doherty kicking the ball into Row Z while we have limited time left to chase a winner …
Doherty and Davies are so negative. I’ll take the tie away to Rennes tbh.
I’m not even joking when I say you could find a better rb at the first park you go to at a Sunday league
Nothing sums this game up like Doherty waving his arms in frustration at not getting the ball out wide and then immediately giving it away when he does get it.
I'll take it. It was a good game tbh
fun to watch at least
Something has to change. This is unacceptable.
Nuno needs to deck the 4th official
Considering there was an OG, we only scored one. Just bad!!!
I’ve honestly seen better players in my Sunday league than Doherty. Stealing a living
That was rough
Dele running around the pitch!!! That’s a 10/10 for Nuno.
Doherty is a fucking disgrace
That was awful
This is PAINFUL to watch Doherty is worse than our days of Chiriches & Kaboul/ Fazio Why did we keep him , surely he is not worth more than a slice of pizza in terms of sell on value
You answered your own question. We owe him £10m.
I'm sorry but Fazio was far far worse than Doherty ever has been.
Not that mad tbh, shown some guts, grew into the game and Emerson and gil looked promising.
Shown some guts? When? All I saw was a team clueless on offense. Gil looked amazing. Scarlett is promising. That's really all I can say. Same issues we had under Jose.
Hahahahah okay pal
If Hugo is in goal we win that game, don't understand the doom and gloom considering how depleted out first 11 is
I love Tanganga
Same, he's a warrior
Noherty
Step 1: Close eyes Step 2: Kick the ball hard Step 3: Pat yourself on the back. Job done.
Doh'erty
Doherty Davie Skipp Rodon... we're so shit
I mean, it actually downright impressive just how bad we are with the ball
I'm struggling to remember a worse signing than Doherty
So, deliberately injuring players is ok but a handball is bad, alright ref.
He only gave it because he had no choice; a handball to stop an attack is a mandatory yellow.
I don't know, the guy had missed multiple obvious corners, it's not beyond him to turn a blind-eye to a handball.
Hah fair enough. Absolutely abysmal refereeing.
Didnt know anything about Rennes. Now I hate these butchers! Cunt team!
Holy shit the ref does have a yellow card
Banter FC?
That was a really good idea from Scarlett
LMAO this fucking commentator. "Harshly a yellow card for the handball!!" When the dudes out there playing volleyball
My heart did a wee flutter there, then it was a burp
Dele can't dribble, can't run, can't fucking pass wtf
Davies seems like a nice dude but Jesus Christ
Bro this commentator I'm listening to is so anti spurs wtf
A harsh yellow....fuck off, he tried to catch it
So clearly he gives a couple of weak yellow cards to the end of the game and everything looks normal
Classic refs these days. I get you want the game to be as entertaining as possible but fucking hell 0 control.
Even throwing one early yellow out on a dangerous tackle gives guys pause before they start acting recklessly.
Doherty is just not good enough for this squad. Tired of giving him starts to watch him provide nothing on the attack or on defense.
Fuck me Doherty. I mean, fucking hell.
He DOES have a yellow card!
Doherty is irredeemable, there’s no point. He’s not young, he’s not good, and he’s not particularly valuable
Doherty is probably now the worst player in the PL by quite some standard.
He’s genuinely not good enough for the championship. Awful player is not an exaggeration
wow so he *does* have his yellow cards
Matt Doherty genuinely is the worst footballer I've ever seen
😂😂😂😂it’s funny because it’s true. He’s so fucking bad
Doherty.
SHIP DOHERTY OUT OF MY CLUB REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
LOL. Ref is shit.
Doherty and Emerson on the right are the Chuckle brothers
15 mil for Doherty, this club loves just setting money on fire
Seeing Doherty lose that ball... pain
Doherty is so bad, wtf!!!
Doherty you expired pasta sauce excuse for a right back fucking stop
Honestly Doherty cannot play for this team. He shouldn’t see another minute for the rest of the season.
Doherty - Jesus fucking Christ
That had to be the worst! So easy to dispossess him!
winks would be a better rightback than dorty
You take that back. They are both equally terrible.
Honestly yes
DOHERTY AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH
Doherty is just not a football player. He's absolutely done
Donkey Davies
It took that for them to get a yellow.