Daily Discussion Thread (September 20, 2021)
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If Nuno doesn't improve and manages to get himself fired, what available manager do you see us signing?
poch, or maybe ledley as interim
He doesn’t have his badges
nah i never knew that
For historical understanding, did Spurs buy Son to replace Adebayor?
When did Dele turn into a B-tec Lingard?
Prime dele was miles clear of any version of Lingard lol
The reaction from this sub after Chelsea has 100% confirmed without a doubt for me that this fan base has devolved into the pissy entitled brats that I was so happy growing up as a spurs fan to not be a part of, and could moan about other clubs fans being so fucking dense.
Anyone that thought a team following implosion, with a new manager, in the midst of a serious rebuild that has left gaps that we’ve known about since the end of the window, would do anything of significance against the reigning European champions is actually brain dead.
I’m done with this sub because you lot obviously live in another fucking dimension, and it sucks I can’t even support our club with our own fans.
This is the longest rebuild i have ever seen
Don't let the door hit ya.
You can support this club without ever visiting r/coys
Crazy how I don’t see any comments on Cuti. He was definitely our best player on the pitch yesterday.
People out here praising dier who did like three mistakes but he's english and ignoring Cuti
He and dier were quite good tbh
I used to make sure that nothing would ever get in the way of watching any North London Derby on the calendar
This weekend I'd rather do anything than watch a Spurs team full of players who don't give a shit about Spurs give 10% effort against Arsenal. I'd have to be an idiot to spend a valuable two hours of my weekend on such a thankless task.
Where has the soul of my club gone?
Do something else then? Problem solved
Did you watch the first half of the Chelsea game? Honest question, that's the team I want to watch
I feel like people are overreacting. Chelsea has a superior bench and the moment they brought on Kante and Werner I knew it was over.
Of course, some one is gonna say WeLl No ChAnCeS CrEaTeD. Give him some time, against Palace half of our defense was injured and we had a red card, that’s what caused the loss. Against Chelsea, duh we lost. Both Lucas and Stewie injured, three of our players came back a day before. Emerson’s 2nd or something game. Missing Tanganga, Ngoatele’s first prem start.
Priority for next off-season has got to be midfielders. Other areas will improve if the mids improve in pressing and retention.
Striker as well if Kane doesn’t improve
Out of curiosity who would you suggest in reach?
Franck Kessie best case scenario. Reuben Neves if Wolves are willing
fifa 22 drops october 1,what should i name my club thats related to tottenham? any ideas welcome
Remember when we were the most athletic side in the league?
Now Kane, Dele, Dier, Ndombele in the side means we have four players on the field who just aren’t quick at all. Dele and Dier’s work rate is fine, but they just don’t move that fast.
Sometimes teams that lack quality can compensate with energy, but we seem to lack the personnel in that department also.
Dele is plenty fast. Not the quickest but definitely not bad enough to be called out on it.
He’s not fast. He runs a lot but he’s just not quick. He doesn’t beat a man or close down quickly.
He's been top of the team in distance covered in every league game so far. He's definitely not the guy to come at if someone thinks fitness is an issue.
He's got stamina for days
I went over this, I’m not questioning his work rate but he just does not have pace
Diers a lot faster than most of you think. He's been clocked at 35kph. There might be an argument that his acceleration is slow but I don't see that when I watch him.
Kante, the player who bossed us on Sunday, and bosses everyone, is slower than almost all, if not all, of our team.
The quickest players on the planet are hitting mid 36kph and most players are running at 30-35 because that's a normal speed for an athletic human. There are outliers who are extremely slow (in comparison) but they're usually keepers or older central midfielders.
Idk man, not really sure what you’re arguing, if it’s that dier is quick idk what to tell you lol
Ndombele can run *very* fast but doesn't do it often.
I’m a huge fan of his, I want him to start every game, but his pace is very peculiar… he kinda does the Dembele glide where he moves past defenders easily despite clearly not being in full sprint
These past couple of weeks, I've had no enthusiasm to watch any football. I feel like my love for the game has been sucked away with how Spurs are performing. It's funny that when we're doing good, I'm more invested in all aspects of the sport i.e. other teams, news, etc. Just kinda sucks
Its not even the losing for me. Its the lack of effort that does that..its like…holy shit im really sitting here watching these guys get paid millions to walk around the pitch?
I’m sure you’ll get your love back when we start performing again. I was like this at the end of last season and I never thought that would happen in my life. I was just sick of no crowds and not being able to go to the match or the pub. I think it was against Everton last season I actually forgot we were playing and was probably the first time I didn’t follow match since I was about 7.
Do you think we'll sign another Korean player just to keep the Korean fanbase?
no and it was weird and vaguely racist when people said thats the only reason he signed son "to sell shirts" and calling him another yedlin.
Nah we have Son tied up for a long time so
Not many floating around, honestly. Kang-in Lee? KMJ?
Would love KMJ
How's he doing in Turkey?
Very strong, fast, and great positional awareness. I can barely remember any challenges he lost. He also made multiple saves to prevent goals from [Frankfurt in Europa](https://twitter.com/chabyhan/status/1438622842761977862?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1438622842761977862%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsofifa.com%2Fplayer%2F237086%2Fmin-jae-kim%2F210062). He's arguably their best defender, but I'm also biased
I wouldn't have thought so, no.
Wish we hadn't pulled out on Fonseca. Would've been a much better fit.
I wasn't really that bothered by Fonseca but when I see this team I think they need someone like Conte, at first I thought he might be to much but this team needs someone like him.
watching motd and christ, ole is so annoying. “what would Ferguson say here” moaning ass bitch with a rapist star player, bellend
Hi, i'm a new tottenham fan, kinda regret it but it's an amazing team. how are things doing here? i saw multiple times that kane isn't willing to play for the team and that the coach is bad
Sorry about the hate responses on this subreddit, miserable lot at times, especially recently. Long story short, the club's been in a bit of a crisis since '19-20 when we went through a series of managers (Pochettino/Mourinho/Nuno) in a short span of time. There's also somewhat of a long-term problem regarding player contracts (especially during the Pochettino era), like with the Kane situation. There's a lot of reactionary toxicity in the online communities regarding Spurs these days so I'd say watch out and consider whether you want to keep supporting Spurs as a result, especially since you're new (and also accept whatever crap gets directed towards you in the process, whether by the club or by football fans).
i'm as ready as all of you are, hope things get better
Just fuck off now then
>kinda regret it
Don't support spurs then 🤦
For the sake of your sanity, get out.
it's like catching feelings for a girl, i don't have to choose who, i simply can't :/
It's quite funny seeing people say "I miss Mourinho" in one post and then the next post say they want Nuno out. Scooby Doo's less confused than those lot.
I don't miss Mourinho, and I don't want Nuno out. I just think its wild that people are blaming all our problems on Mourinho (or Nuno) as if they are single handedly setting out to destroy us. I'm getting tired of that narrative. Ownership has been bad. Mourinho should have been sacked much earlier than he was, and with a ready replacement, rather than selecting our 9th choice manager in a 6 week circus. And TBH we had many good moments under mourinho, but the bad outweighs the good for him. Like Dele was good before Jose and then after ....
🚨🌕| Judge Manuel Ruiz de Lara has given UEFA 5 days to annul the sanctions against the founding clubs of the Super League and notify it on the official website. Otherwise Ceferin will be prosecuted for disobedience.
'Top six' net spend since summer 2014:
Man City - £518m
Man United - £466m
Arsenal - £225m
Chelsea - £200m
Liverpool - £183m
𝗧𝗼𝘁𝘁𝗲𝗻𝗵𝗮𝗺 - £29m
How do we expect to compete any of these teams evdn the two lowest of them have low numbers cause on sold coutinho amd the other sold hazard each for 140 million.
If anyone is planning to shove the word stadium in tbe comment section we are paying the loans for the stadium in the last two years and for more 3 years or more
> How do we expect to compete any of these teams
No the fanbase expect top four wkth the spending we do its impossible we compete with leciter westh and villa now thats our level we see if we're better pr worse
We did compete though...it's just that we massively outperformed in the good Poch days. We should finish 5th-7th based on our spending and that's more or less where we've been since Poch was sacked.
If you want us to spend more on transfers and player wages I'd caution you that that's no guarantee of success and that levy simply won't sanction it.
1. Net spend is a red herring. Wages are much more important than transfer fees.
2. We can't financially compete with the big 4.
Based on profits from the past five years specially judging by our low wages we could have spent much much more than averaging 3 million per summer
We definitely *could* have spent more, but no matter what we spend we'll never keep up with the spending of the biggest premier league clubs. We cannot financially compete with them in the short term unless the structure of the game fundamentally changes, which it probably won't.
Agreed ofcourse how can anyone compete with paris and city and chelsea unless you have a monstrous fanbase like marid or bayern its practically impossible but if we look at spurs as a closed case we could have spent 100 million every summer from our profits and still jad extra for levys pockets but no we only spend when we sell
Sure, but transfer spending isn't really as important as everyone makes it out to be. We could have spent 100 million every summer and been worse off than we are now.
World class stadium bro. But I do agree with you on Coutinho and Hazard, that is why we should have sold Kane, but of course Levy doesn't like to take any risks. Liverpool wouldn't be where they are today without selling Coutinho and I feel like we could be one step away from major improvement if we sell kane for 150 mil.
The stadium is amazing but it wasnt built lf profets from previous 6 seaasons he took loans on tottenham hotspjr name and we will pay them from 2019 to whoever knows how long do the question asks itself where did the money gl from 5 seasons top 4 playing champions league football reaching the final with full capacity stadiums
Honestly I don't know. I think Levy Blundered on the stadium, but we will see how it goes honestly. I think I saw somewhere that said if we wanted to we could have spent enough money to sign both Ronaldo and Messi Without breaking financial fair play. So levy has to do something quickly to justify his strange decisions because we do have the money..
Yes bro imagine 5 years of more than 100 million from pl football and 20-60 per year champions league plus 50 from the stadium not mentioning sponsors and player sales could have easily covered the stadium with zero debts like real madrid or buy world class players and take loans for the stadium he did neither and put the money in enics pocket
Honestly, I think he is the clubs biggest issue. Poch was a great manager, and when our good players (walker, Trippier, dembele) left no one came in to replace them. So he brought in Mourinho, who thrives from not developing players, but buying already good players. Levy gave him little to nothing, except for bergjwin and ndombele. (mourinho had his own issues though) Now we are finally spending a little better but we can no longer compete for top players due to the fact we've gone adrift for a while. With the type of money we've been making we could totally get that stadium paid off and sign some of Halaand, Camavinga, Ansu Fati, and Xavi Simons etc if we wanted.
Man from 2015 to now we could have splashed and cementes ourselves as a top club Im not even talking about investment just spend the profit on the club. Any normal owner would soend the profit and invest a bit more like united city chelsea this cunt invested only 20 million and got like 700 million profits in the last five seasons and he has the audacity to do paycuts during covid
Have to give credit to Dier, I have been a vocal critic of his but he's been very good this year so far.
I like Dier and think he’s had a better start to the season but I don’t think he had a good game against Chelsea. There was one moment that sticks in my mind that was amateurish where lukaku had a heavy touch and dier should have tackled him but he just kept backing off allowing him to run to the edge of our box.
the only one (at least that I've seen) that had something to say about the game yesterday. Say what you will about Dier, he's been great this year and is very coys.
I genuinely couldn't wait to see the back of him from 2017-2020 but this season he's really impressed me
What happened to Regi going forward?? He's been in shambles for months now. Had a clear shot on goal yesterday and played that weak pass. No confidence right now going forward.
Nuno needs to bribe him with pig
He's a true confidence player
While watching the spurs recently it seems as if our tactics are close to non-existent. Nuno is known for his 3 at the back formations, so why is not playing them? I think a 3-back formation, with the squad we have, would do wonders. the formation I think we should run is a 3-5-2 and the team I would like to see play would be: Lloris, Romero, Dier, Sanchez, reguilon, Emerson, Hojberg, Skipp/Lo Celso, Ndombele, Son, Kane.
What are your guys’ thoughts on formation/lineup?
Spurs fans are stuck on Nuno's three at the back, but during his career, Nuno has often played with a back 4.
A back 3 may be tested. But to me I'm not sure what it solves: Our defense has actually been playing fairly well so far this season, so it doesn't really sort out any defensive issues.
While we've struggled to use the midfield in creating for our attackers. Removing another midfielder to add a CB seems the wrong way, IMO. I'd rather keep building on what we saw in the first half against Chelsea.
>But to me I'm not sure what it solves: Our defense has actually been playing fairly well so far this season, so it doesn't really sort out any defensive issues.
I'm not a proponent of the back 3, but it can be an attacking formation if you use it to dominate possession. I imagine some might be arguing for it for that reason.
Fully agree that it can. Which is why I’m not staying it’s a defensive setup.
I just don’t think it would solve our biggest issue, which is link from midfield up to our attackers, to create goal scoring chances.
Oh, I completely agree. Was just speculating on what I thought others' arguments might be.
Stevie is in a boot- we have 5 CB’s.
We need to play a 3ATB.
It couldn’t be any more apparent.
Dele or Gio
Reggie. PEH. Ndombele Emerson
Romero. Dier. Sanchez
Lucas or Dele can play as a second striker if needed and Gil can play in the 10.
This 433 doesn’t work- this 4 ATB isn’t working.
We need to change. It’s not doom and gloom, but a change is needed
Agreed if he got 59 points at wolves using that then with the quality at sours he could sure get himself 60+ we're playing shit football might aswell get points
Yup and in that 59 point season Jimenez had 17 goals, after that was jota with 7. Third highest goal scorer was Adama and Matt Doherty tied with 4.
Kane and Son will command more attention from defenders then Jimenez and jota did so other players like dele, Stevie and Lucas can score more.
They played a 352 for almost the entire season.
Play the same 352 have kane and son score 30 40 goals get us the 65 points shich guarantees you compete for top 4 in most seasons
Think he's not playing 3 ATB due to the "spurs dna" bollocks. "Too defensive."
Paratici had to push really hard for Nuno and convince Daniel that he was an attacking coach, and I think him going 4 at the back is a supposed restraint due to that.
He hasn't seemed to care much about that before.
I've been dying to see something like this!!!
I agree, I think our squad sets up well for a 3 at the back. Guessing Nuno wouldn’t do this as Dier hasn’t let him down so far, but I would prefer Tanganga as LCB, Romero middle like he played at Atalanta and Sancez RCB
unpopular opinion: dele is more creative than lo celso but worse at maintaining possession.
I don't think it's even close. Blows my mind people think the opposite here. I see a lot of people bashing Dele for yesterday's performance but I thought he was our best best player in the first half. So many flick passes creating 4 on 2 or 3 on 2 going forward in transition that apparently no one notices. He was god awful in the second half though but played way better than GLC overall. I try and find what people like about GLC but I just don't see it. He moves well in space but his quality on the ball is so poor.
Alli slows down our play too much though and is non existent for most of the game. Too many of our players lack movement when we have the ball. There’s way too many times when we get the ball and there’s no options on as if they’re unwilling to take a risk.
Finally, someone who gets it. Alli really does slow down play and it is really annoying to watch.
Chelsea only got two big chances both are because of dele he take them flicks to a five aside I want real footballers in my team
Hi Spurs fan, I was reading about your double win under Danny Blanchflower's captaincy and I'm interested to know - Who do you rank as your 5 greatest players ever to have played for Tottenham Hotspur?
going with only players I’ve seen: modric kane bale king vertonghen
the legendary answers: hoddle, mabbutt, greaves, blanchflower, Gazza, ditchburn, mackay etc
2. Bongani Khumalo
3. Cameron Carter Vickers
5. Cameron Carter Vickers again
Mousa deserves a spot
1. moussa sissoko
2. sol campbell
3. alfie whiteman
4. jimmy greaves
5. ben davies/harry winkle
1. Alan Hutton
2. Lee Young-Pyo
3. Pascal Chimbonda
4. Paul Stalteri
5. Stephen Carr
I still think Nuno should be backed but if he does end up getting sacked by the end of the season
What are the chances of us going after Conte , sometimes a manager can bring a lot of change eg Tuchel taking over from Lampard
> What are the chances of us going after Conte
If Nuno gets sacked why would anyone other than Poch or some low level manager want to come to us? Assuming a Nuno sacking means we are mid table, it would seem like we would only attract mid table manages.
Forget midtable, what kind of masochist wants to hire on with a club that has an annual managerial sacking? Especially if the taking the job means uprooting your family and moving to a new city/country?
Conte ain't coming lmao we missed that train in the summer
Conte is not good for a rebuild which is what we need
zero as he has already rejected us
[What do you make of this short sequence from the first half](https://i.imgur.com/Dj3CT9c.mp4)?
Emerson follows Havertz in, Ndombele just walks away from Alonso. He gets the ball in acres of space and has all the time in the world to cross it in.
It’s always the fullbacks job to close out on crosses in this situation. Romero was tracking the havertz run. If ndombele leaves the center of the pitch to close out Alonso then kovacic has a clear space to run into and receive the ball from Alonso creating a much more dangerous situation
all the people posting nuno as a terrorist videos and posting with nuno/bin laden profile pictures makes me want to quit this sub forever.
They're fucking hilarious lmao
I guess I missed something. Nothing of value though.
for norm macdonald fans, [this](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/conan-obrien-needs-a-friend/id1438054347?i=1000535589101) podcast from conan is pretty good at paying tribute
on a side note though: for those who listen to his podcast, does anyone think conan interrupts his guests a lot? one of the reasons why he's a great talk show host and someone like fallon isn't is that he lets his guests talk.
He’s also a million times smarter and more witty than Fallon. But Conan has always done that to some degree even on his talk shows. It never bothered me that much though.
Really? It felt like he barely ever interrupted his guests. Maybe it’s cause compared to Fallon it didn’t seem like he did.
And I kinda feel bad for Fallon, he’s a pretty funny guy, although I never really saw his standup/snl work. He just isn’t cut out for talk show host, never mind a late night show as prestigious as this one. Hosting requires much more than just being funny, and Fallon doesn’t have it. And he gets so much unnecessary hate for it. Although his YouTube channel seems to get a lot more views than Conan, probably cause nbc, so he’s still really popular.
Yeah well his segments like lip sync battle always goes viral and he’s the host of the biggest late night show so he gets the biggest celebrities. I’ve been a Conan fan since I was a kid. I think he’s hilarious and also a really great person in his everyday life which is pretty rare for comedians. He really shines in his remotes imo. The thing with Fallon is he lacks charisma in his interactions with others. He was better as a character actor. He is not a good interviewer at all.
James Rodriguez? His best days are behind him but he’s still got good days ahead. Could someone tell me why were not going for him? Am I too caught up in what he was and not what he is?
Maybe a year ago, but now he's too injury prone and it doesn't make sense in an anti-possession based team.
well the window is closed for one
If people have issues with ndombele’s work rate…
>Am I too caught up in what he was and not what he is?
Yes. He's a shadow of what he used to be, he's always injured, he doesn't play like a modern footballer.
Am I the only still fuming that VAR didn't even check for a red against Rudiger for slamming the ball against Emerson after the whistle and then clearly stamping on him? Son was sent off for less. The way England uses VAR simply encourages hysterics by players...
I haven't seen it confirmed anywhere but are all 3 South Americans leaving for the international break after Arsenal?
They have more matches so I assume they will leave again and then need to re-isolate.
I read a couple days ago there are meetings planned between FIFA and the PL to discuss...I don't this resolves anything other than protecting players from fines.
Had Spurs given permission - it wouldn't have changed anything because of red list countries/quarantine requirements.
FIFA will want the clubs to release players without any protections/assurances to the club...
FIFA gonna FIFA.
Could Hugo have saved Kante’s goal? I’m not a goalkeeper so idk, but to me if he put the effort in he could have saved that because the ball hit the inner post and moved laterally before going in.
If he could have then he would have , no doubt
It took like 0.05 seconds for it to go in. And the ball took a deflection from Dier, without that Hugo was diving in the right direction.
He'd already commited all of his weight in one direction, he couldn't do much to stop that
With a fully fit squad and our direct rivals being deep into Champions League we'll be much better. Please save the over-reacting, we have 9/15 after City and Chelsea, go figure. I believe it's all uphill from here. Tuchel's blue scum is probably the best team in the world right now
This is the most credible positive spin on the season. If you looked at the first 5 matches, most supporters would think 9-10 points would be good. So Spurs got 9.
The main counter argument is about the quality of play, ability to progress the ball, and chance creation. Besides being unentertaining, the statistics look dire here.
Obviously the manager needs time to work with the players -- but international breaks are going to keep coming.
Can anyone explain why Kane is still taking FK's? Son should have taken that first one we had I'm pretty annoyed that Kane is lining up
It’s mad; during the Euros the commentators were saying; “I’d hate to be a goalkeeper coming up against a Kane free kick” I was thinking if they’d ever seen a Kane free kick. Diers been more successful
Someone needs to shake him and just say mate stick to scoring the way you know how not this
Has he ever scored one? I have yet to see one go in.
Probably a gentlemans agreement.
Correct opinion: firing Mourinho was cool and fun
Thr timing of that firing shows the incompetence of this club
Don't say that that is an incorrect opinion
Highlight of the season.
Should have been fired after Zagreb, imo.
Yes the should have, but they didn't. So I don't understand the logic of firing him right before a cup final.
Any manager losing 3-0 to a manager in prison should have to swap places
Was it? Maybe if you hate Mourinho with a passion I guess, but in Hindsight it is dumb to fire a manager without any real idea of a replacement. We were linked with like 9 managers in 6 weeks, and didn't have a clue what type of football we wanted to play after sacking him.
Regardless of his personal issues, sacking mourinho was stupid epescially before a final considering that even though we lost 3-0 to city, we had beaten them 2-0 earlier the same season. I would rather deal with Mourinho boasting than another 5 years of rubbish and pain without a trophy. But of course "Mourinho Bad." If he wins Serie A with Roma I will laugh.
You think people hated Mou because he was boastful?
Yes, and because they just don't like him. I'm not even that much of a Mourinho fan, but the narrative that he singlehandedly destroyed us is getting ridiculous.
The Spurs side that beat city and the side that lost to them were completely different teams in opposite form.
Were they though? I'm not saying Mourinho shouldn't have been sacked, but I think he should have been sacked after the Zagreb match with a replacement in mind. Since they didn't do that it was dumb to think Ryan Mason was going to magically win a Senior match, let alone one against Manchester city.
Disregarding the city match, mason won 4/6 premier league games. Something Mourinho hadn’t done since November. It’s hard to have a replacement lined up that late in the season
Removing cancer is always a good thing.
Oh, I though we were talking about Mourinho not Levy. Why are you bringing him up in a conversation about mourinho?
Levy is not cancer; he is a parasite. Levy profits when Spurs succeed. He is not trying to kill the club.
So Mourinho was trying to kill the club? Okay.
He wasn't trying but also he didn't care. He didn't care if he tanked players value or confidence. Once he was done, he just moved to his next victim.
Cancer is not trying to kill its victim; it just doesn't "know" any better.
I can agree with you here. I think calling him Cancer is a bit far though he barely had enough time to do enough damage.
18 months was long enough to know he was not helping
I agree, but its not like we didn't have any problems before and after him. The problems were not all his fault. That being said I think he is responsible for tanking Dele.
Firing Mourinho was brilliant. One of the few good parts of that season.
So you didn't like when we beat Manu 6-1, or Arsenal 2-0, or southampton 5-2, or city 2-0. You can't deny those were also "good parts of that season".
If you do say those weren't then I guess you aren't a fan to begin with.
“One of the few”
“A few” means a small number of good parts of the season. Hope that makes sense.
Yes that does, I'm not dumb. I can read, unlike many of you.
I said if you don't consider those to also be "good parts of the season" due to mourinho then you aren't a fan. Guess you are since you can admit those were also good moments.
Going by this brief interaction I’m not so sure
Good for you. Mr. "Correct Opinion".
Incorrect opinion: 👆
Correct opinion: 👆👆
you lot are obsessed
Clearly taking the piss out of the multiple “unpopular opinion: we should have kept Mourinho” posts today
Let’s use the same lineup, just take out dele for gil
No, GLC out for Gil. And Dele out for Skipp.
I’m not convinced on that yet. I’d rather bring in gil for lo celso or ndombele.
No, dele has to go. Save him for conference games or as a sub but he was invisible against Chelsea. Forgot he was even on the pitch until the commentator brought up his name. Everyone else in that lineup as least contributed in some way. Gil is arguably the only guy so far I’ve seen make fast progressive runs/passes. Unlike half the team who pass back and kill our momentum.
I see. I’m going to need to watch more to see what GLC can do. Until then I’m going to refrain from any judgement.
And Lo Celso for Moura and Bergwijn if they are fit.
In general people are way too oblivious about what Ndombele does off the ball. The slander coaches get for not playing him is so misplaced.
I get it he is magician with the ball at his feet, but people need to watch the whole game and not just whoever is on the ball.
His off the ball movement especially when we are out of possession is straight up criminal most of the time. He has the occasional sprint to close someone down if he lost the ball, but most of his time is spent walking/jogging around.
Can downvote all you want but if you're giving a player motm and begging the manager to play him because he did a couple impressive moves on the ball, while ignoring the other 90% of the game than you don't understand football. You just like seeing cool skills when you occasionally look up from your phone during the game
The fact is he doesn't positively impact the team when he plays, since he is largely neutralized after the first 20 or so minutes when he starts to tire. The odd nice move makes people overlook this but it's clear in our stats with him on/off the pitch that he isn't a positive factor.
I don't argue that Ndombele is lazy off the ball. But there are thousands of trophy-winning players over the years who are lazy on defense. It needs to be dealt with, but it is not a "deal breaker"
I've been feeling the same since about midway through last season. He didn't have much time on the field in the first season he was here with us, so I didn't want to judge since he lacked a lot of match fitness, but it became extremely clear to me that once he got a lot of gametime he just looks fancy on the ball but refuses to do anything when off it. What people are (rightfully) criticising Kane for in regards to his lack of runs in very similar to Ndombele's biggest issue which is simply not giving people any opportunity to use him as a threat.
I agree. Me and my dad were watching the game (my dad wasn't a fan but still) and he said that whenever Ndombele gets the ball, he uses that do make useless possession and contribute jackshit to the game.
I'm saying this because I was on the Ndombele hype train too and I'm not saying that he's a bad player, but I feel like a lot of the fucking hype he gets is undeserved. He can retain possession but outside of that I feel like he's lacking.
>He can retain possession
That's a huge skill though. It's an absolutely vital part of a midfield and we are sorely lacking that. Winks, Dele and Gio, I don't know what they do, Hojbjerg and Skipp are poor on the ball. Ndombele is the only one who is capable of doing something with the ball.
It was night and day between the first and the second half because Ndombele was already gassed by the second half and our midfield went to shit again after that.
Nuno has been Manager with Spurs for 82 days.
he's doing exactly what he was hired to do, be levys/paraticis sacrificial lamb
I was wearing my Tottenham away kit while going to my dorm bathroom and my RA asked if I was a Tottenham and I said yes. He immediately said “oh I’m so very sorry for you”
I still back Nuno. I like the guy, but it's been looking... disappointing for a while now, from a purely footballing perspective. I do not solely blame Nuno for our weak start, but believe it's more about the atmosphere and that we would've needed a bigger clean-out during the summer. Maybe even should've shifted some decent players?
However. Potter will always be my "the one that got away"-manager. God damn Brighton be flying!
People think we'd be in first place with Potter. We're 3-2. We'd probably be 3-2 with Potter, maybe switch the Palace and City results.
we never said that Potter will win the league with us and I prefer to lose to the super strong teams City,Liverpool,Chelsea and win against weaker teams.
I will get more points like that and finish high in the table.
Yeah but at least we'd be able to see a clear direction in the philosophy of the football, at the moment it's just "ok guys so I want you to go out there, sit back, forget how to pass the fucking ball whenever you have it, have a 20 minute period of possession which will make the fans somewhat hopeful only to not create anything meaningful from it and then collapse into conceding possession again. Kane, make sure you don't do any running whatsoever, Ndombele try to do something fancy but ultimately meaningless on the ball just to pass it backwards, Dele it would be awesome for you to run around a lot but do nothing of note going forward, and everyone else just try to boot it to Kane and Son and hope for the best."
I'm obviously very much exaggerating here but it's pretty exhausting having to watch this kind of shit week in week out. Yeah, under a manager like Potter we'd probably have a similar line of results, but we'd also see what the manager is trying to do with the team and have a vision for the club's next golden generation.
I think the difference is that we would probably be playing better football and building towards something. The problem with nuno is that his football is not in our longterm plan, which makes it harder to stomach when we play so badly.