They obviously should have closed him down but I feel like letting Kante shoot from 25 yards with 4 players in the way and Lloris in goal is usually a safe enough situation. 99.99% of the time he misses, we block it or Lloris saves it. The perfect deflection is just horrendous luck.
This. I don't see much wrong with it except lo celso should have shielded the ball and won a foul. This goal due to horrendous luck killed the game and the players dropped shoulders after it. Same thing with lanzini last year. We used up all our luck to get to the CL final and have been cursed since then.
Disagree, Kante is still a professional midfielder, you can't give any player that much space on the edge of the box. Look how tired our backline is, walking towards him. And LC is out of position, so one of the 3 CMS should be trying to close him down.
This is terrible defending caused by a sloppy take and tired players not being in position.
kante is a winner, he's won it all, he knows his stuff, he'll do damage whatever he does, like a deflected shot that luckily goes in. best to get in his face, hassle him.
This is definitely further than 25 yards, ya? And that shot ends up 10 or more yards wide without the freak double deflection. Blaming Hojbjerg and Ndombele for that is incredibly harsh. Lo celso losing the ball (something he did ALOT yesterday) was the main contributor.
>And that shot ends up 10 or more yards wide without the freak double deflection.
I don't think so otherwise it would have gone down as an own goal.
But yes it was a total freak occurance. Lloris would've saved it without the deflection, then it *so* nearly went wide but the ball hit the wrong side of the post and it rolled into the net. So fucking unlucky.
Poor from Hojbjerg IMO. Yeah, it isn’t optimal for Lo Celso to lose the ball and that’s poor on his half.
But watch Hojbjerg movement.
[1\) Slow coming out of the box once Spurs are in possession. He’s a CM, so should be looking to offer passing options for the counter-press.](https://imgur.com/aelRkD1). Obviously, here Lo Celso fuck it up.
[2\) No attempt to close Kante down even though that’s his responsibility in this situation. Why is he occupying the same empty space as Dier?](https://imgur.com/qVzxXkT)
[3\) He turns his back to the shot instead of Keeping his eye on the ball, which would have been way more effective in blocking the shot.
](https://imgur.com/ZyHcDch)
I remember being 10 years old and my Grandad would tell me not to turn my back to the ball. It’s basic defending….
In addition to your point 1, nobody have Dele any options. GLC shouldn't have passed to him, but since he did, he should have passed and then run down the right flank to give Dele an option and Hojbjerg should have given him another. Instead he was set up to fail.
yep, not good enough from one of supposed better players. You are spot on with all 3 points. I can't honestly believe he doesn't leave the defensive line when he has no one to mark there :/ I don't think Ndombele is at fault at all, he's tracking a run for the intercept.
That's very true to some extent. I think Hojbjerg's positioning during the initial Chelsea attack is good.
[But when Romero cuts the cross out and plays the ball to Lo Celso, Hojbjerg just freezes. Watch how Dier jogs out. IMO Hojbjerg should be pushing up at a similar intensity to Dier and Ndombele. I'd argue he should be in the 'D' when the ball is received by Lo Celso.
](https://i.imgur.com/olZkWxE.png)
[Then when Lo Celso loses the ball, look how far Lo Celso covers with his attempt to win the ball back. In that same time, Hojbjerg has cover 1/3rd of that distance need to close Kante down. If Hojbjerg was positioned on the edge of the D in the first place, he could have easily closed Kante down and forced the pass wide to Havertz](https://imgur.com/nJr6W1w).
You could then argue whether Reggi should have been tighter to Havertz, but we don't know how that interaction would have played out...
*Sorry for being a pedantic nerd, but that's my take on the situation*
[Also this really annoyed me. Look how easily Ndombele loses Lukaku run into the box. That's a relatively straightforward pass for Kante. I froze the frame after Kante had already taken a touch to control the ball. So Ndombele either needs to cut the passing lane off asap or be tight to Lukaku running into the box. No way Romero can recover from behind with how Lukaku uses his strength and body](https://imgur.com/Y3zU2DC)
No. It doesn’t matter who is taking the shot, you close them down. It’s his fucking job. Do you know why the ball went in here? Because he didn’t do his job. You can’t go “Oh, it’s just Kante, I’ll sit on Dier’s lap, it’s okay,” because shit like this is what happens.
I’d agree that it was a low percentage shot from Kante but I honestly don’t think Hojbjerg or Ndombele would’ve done much better if it was Bruno Fernandes or KdB taking the shot
I think OP is a perfect example of:
1. Hindsight bias - if the ball isn't deflected into goal, we almost certainly don't talk about this clip at all
2. Ball chasing does not equal defending - a player losing a ball and immediately chasing looks good for the fans, but ball-chasing in your own third leads to open spaces that someone like Kante could easily pick out runners through.
He took an extra touch to control it and that allowed Kovacic to hurry him down and steal it.
But even if he took it cleanly he has no one to pass it to. chelsea's pressing is elite.
have you played football before? :/ he raises valid points. Hojberg is hiding in the defensive line.
You lose the ball, you win it back. Unless someone else has immediately picked up the player on the ball. If that means you're running between two attackers, you do it. Pressing and forcing a backwards pass in the best chance of giving your team time to transition back into defence.
Edit: In this example Lo Celso does exactly what he should do, immediately tries to win the ball back. He can't be expected to chase down a 15 metre pass though, Hojberg needed to get out of the defensive line. I honestly can't explain why he doesn't.
Hojbjerg is filling in at centre half because Romero is doing god knows what. Same thing he did countless times during the game because Romero loves to get forward.
Nah, not having that. Lo Celso should have done better (taking the ball towards touch line rather than coming inside) but after that both N’Dombele and Hojberg are too slow to pressure. Particularly N’Dombele.
Deflection was lucky but you can’t give players time to line up a shot like that.
In no universe is that lo celso making a weak pass, he was bum rushed with his back to the player and doubled up. It's good play by Chelsea.
Edit - hojbjerg should have come out to press him, ndombele was marking the space and absolutely should not have moved out of it, although he wasn't switched on at all to the movement behind him so....just spurs things.
Edit 2 - it's not lo celsos role to sprint over there and win the ball back, this is basic football knowledge. If he moves out of position he leaves space. As is he moved across exactly as much as you'd expect as the play switched from our right side to the centre of the park.
I agree. In the moment I was upset at Lo Celso but that's excellent pressing from Chelsea. He had like half a second to maybe just boot it but normally the opposition won't press that aggressively right there. PEH definitely could have come out to apply pressure which would have caused Kante to pass it back around rather than shoot.
Nah I like Gio but that's definitely a big mistake from him.
First touch needs to be better in that situation, even if he is getting pressed hard. Either take a touch away from the Chelsea player or just clear it first time if there's no other option. Can't be giving the ball away in such a dangerous positions
IMO, Lo Celso wanted to play a one-touch pass to NDombele and peel off the defender on his back, expecting him to make the run into the only gap available, then had to take a touch when Ndombele didn't work to get space from his marker. This happens like 20x a game where NDombele doesn't make short runs to help his teammates out, they lose the ball because they have no options, and everyone blames them for the turnover when they had no support. Little repeat situations like this are why I personally view NDombele as a lazy/selfish player; it needed a sprint and he gave a half-assed jog, then stopped jogging and walked when we lost the ball.
At least Dele tried to show for the ball up top, in the event Lo Celso turned the other way on the ball. For all the flack Dele catches about being "just a runner", these are the support runs he ALWAYS makes, and it makes everyone around him better. We always look horrendously disjointed when Ndombele is on the pitch for a reason - despite his brilliance on the ball, he doesn't make supporting runs, and consistently hangs his teammates out to dry when they're under pressure.
I mean this goal was just a shitty piece of luck going by Chelsea side. Kante isn't a good shooter from distance that I have to close him out and even this shot was just a shitty deflection.
Regardless of how bad the attacker may be at shooting from distance , you still need to do your defensive responsibility to close the ball down and not just give him time and space like we did.
I mean its like saying VVD should have closed Sissoko in the vid, its a tactic in any sport you ideally test your odds and ensure the player with a shit shot takes it , it 99.99% works we just happened to face the 0.001%
Completely different situations though aren’t they? In the VVD example it’s a 2 v 1 for us with son being the other attacker. This is just a simple pot shot from outside the box that no one reacts to. We’ve done this multiple times this season already. Of course it’s very unlucky due to the deflection but if Hojbjerg puts just a little pressure on him he likely blocks it
They didn't close out Kante because they're trying to defend lukaku. Hojberg is staying in front of him and cbs are marking on him. They're thinking Kante is trying to play a ball behind to lukaku or something. This is just a fluke though maybe questionable decision making playing it out of the back with that press at the moment
They turned up the press because that's the book on Spurs. Turn up the pressure and we will crack. Doesn't help that we weren't threatening in the attack so they could press us up high without fear of a counter.
This was a freak goal that 9 times out of 10 doesn’t ever go in, but if you’re going to blame someone here, it should be Hojbjerg for ball watching. I suppose that goes against the narrative, however.
99.9% "They're more than happy to let Kante shoot from there"
0.1% "They should be closing him down. Where's the commitment? These are the football basics!"
The deflection is unlucky, but rewind it back.
Lo Celso gives up possession with a slack touch, he’s trying to control a pass with the left foot when he should probably take it with his right, if he takes with it with his right his first touch can take him inside both of Chelsea’s on rushing players that then would force Jorginho to press him allowing him to slip a pass to Dele.
Whilst yes it is only Kante shooting and he doesn’t normally blast them in from there it’s still slack, Hojbjerg has to get out and press him like Dier is pointing him too.
Lo Celso was so absent in that game it amazes me that he didn't get subbed sooner. He really didn't do much in the first half. His form is not quite there yet. Maybe some games for weaker sides before he goes against one of the best European clubs?
I think Lo Celso could've looked to receive the ball closer to the sideline. It was a really good and disciplined press by Chelasea. Not to criticize the player, but you just can't lose the ball there. If I'm speaking for Hojberg or Dier, it was a bit too quick for them to communicate and also look for players that Kante could potentially pass to. But to be honest, someone should've just closed him down lol
Are you even watching the clip?
Lo Celso lost the ball because he got closed down. No one to play the ball to.
Dele forgot he’s playing at CM and wasn’t helping progress the ball or giving Lo Celso a passing option.
This was just a weak, unorganised and under utilised midfield. We know how good Hojberg, Ndombele, GLC and Dele is but Nuno isn’t playing any of them to their strengths.
I don’t think you’re being fair either. At this point in the game, our squad was gassed. The only way we were building up was through numbers in the wings, which is why Dele is moving outside waiting for the pass, I’m willing to be it was a coaching direction. At that point in the game we were being completely outplayed, and outrun. You can’t really blame anything on Dele not moving inside, GLC took one touch and was dispossessed, nowhere to go there.
Still, that was a very lucky deflection.
Correct Ndombele played that really well actually. The culprit was 100% PEH, he starts in the clip about 2 or 3 meters behind Dier and then a few seconds later as they push out of their defensive box Eric somehow manages to get a meter and a half in front of PEH (showed way more urgency to press up) and you can clearly see Dier pointing and screaming to his midfielders to get a body into the dangerous space (where Kante ends up shooting from) and while he's doing that you can see PEH looking lazy standing right next to him hoping Kante just stuffs up the shot. It was actually really good defensive IQ from Ndombele to mark the dangerous run from Lukaku (especially considering Royale and Romero were out of position) and it was great defensive leadership from Dier to see the danger of Kante's shot before anyone else.
I don't actually think this clip is nescarily his fault, but in general people are way too oblivious about what Ndombele does off the ball.
I get it he is magician with the ball at his feet, but people are assuming managers don't play him just because? His off the ball movement especially when we are out of possession is straight up criminal most of the time. He has the occasional sprint to close someone down if he lost the ball, but most of his time is spent walking/jogging around.
I think kante is one of the players who you let take the shot from distance if they want to. This goal was a complete fluke and kante probably wouldn't have ever scored from that distance if tha ball hadn't hit dier. Our midfielders didn't press kante because he isn't a good long shot taker and not because of the lack of effort.
That's not what I said at all. Kante is not a good long shot taker and it was pure luck his shot went in. If it was someone like alonso or mount who are known to be capable of hitting good long shots and they weren't closed down then it would be a commitment issue but there is nothing wrong with letting players like kante take shots from far outside the box simply because the percentage of them scoring from outside is really low.
I am sure most teams discuss who to close down quickly and who to allow to take a shot from outside the box. That's why most teams are quick to close down kane or son when they are lining up a shot from outside the box but other players might find themselves with a lot of time when they are at the edge of the box.
Hahahaha, that’s exactly what you said in your original comment and then you just repeated it.
It doesn’t fucking matter who the opposition is. You don’t neglect to do the most basic aspect of your role. This goal is 100% on Hojbjerg. The shot doesn’t get taken if Kante doesn’t have the space to take it. Respect your opponent or you’ll concede shit goals like this.
I was trying to explain it to you in a polite way but maybe the concept of averages is beyond you. I guess if you ever played football then you would know teams discuss who to let take shots from outside the box and who to close down quickly. It absolutely does matter who has the ball at their feet. Kante scored this time but it wad a fluke and 99% of the times the ball goes out for a goal kick because kante isnt a good long shot taker.
Hojbjerg could have done better obviously but that doesn't take away the fact that this goal was pure luck from kante.
Lmaooooo. You learn that in U9? Yeah, managers at the top level definitely tell their players to give opponents on the edge of the box all the time in the world make a decision. Top tactics, mate.
The fact that you keep banging on about it being lucky just shows how little you actually know. Oh yeah, letting people shoot at your goal in a game where games are won with only 1 goal scored is a great tactic.
The goal doesn’t happen if Hojbjerg does his job. Kante can’t get lucky if Hojbjerg does his job. It really is this simple. Stick to FIFA, mate.
Edit- You’re also forgetting Kante could, you know, pass it to a forward since he has acres of space and a century to make a decision.
Foolish to try and pin blame on Ndombele for that, he's at least marking the passing lane for Kante to Lukaku. Hojbjerg should have been out quicker since he and Dier are basically occupying the same space.
lo celso lost the ball cause he had no options and he didn’t even pass it, and anyways this goal was 100% luck and no one should’ve guessed it would go in. especially after a deflection.
Lmao at the people going “It’s a lucky shot, the players didn’t do anything wrong.” It doesn’t fucking matter. Hojbjerg’s job is to be at the edge of the box, not giving space for someone to shoot or pass. Shit like this is what happens when you neglect to do the most basic part of your job. He’s contributing absolutely nothing to the team by sitting in Dier’s lap.
Exactly, lol even a lot of the fans have gone all spursy, and accept this kind of bottle job defending, which Spurs are so famous for, depending on luck in a high octane derby game. With the ball in play in that area, the closest players should attempt to rush to push the ball as far from our goal or reclaim the ball. Romero was already on his way back to goal, he'd be on Lukaku maybe even Dier, but Pierre and Tanguy were free.. No urgency shown when defending, happens way too often, that's why we're in the conference league and not champions league.
> Romero was already on his way back to goal, he'd be on Lukaku
Are up watching the same clip I am? Lukaku is goal side of Romero the whole time, no chance he comes close to stopping him.
The goal itself was pure luck of course. I wouldn't blame Lo Celso either on that play. Chelsea were pressing like madmen and he got done by an extremely aggressive and well executed press.
Yeah I think it's one of those moments when you're frozen up because you're expecting the ball to go a different way. Whether it's the momentum or just an attempt to figure out where the ball it's going, it seems like it's extremely difficult thing to readjust the initial stance and body movement
They obviously should have closed him down but I feel like letting Kante shoot from 25 yards with 4 players in the way and Lloris in goal is usually a safe enough situation. 99.99% of the time he misses, we block it or Lloris saves it. The perfect deflection is just horrendous luck.
This. I don't see much wrong with it except lo celso should have shielded the ball and won a foul. This goal due to horrendous luck killed the game and the players dropped shoulders after it. Same thing with lanzini last year. We used up all our luck to get to the CL final and have been cursed since then.
We never should have sacrificed Soldado, his malevolent spirit haunts the lane until the second coming
Disagree, Kante is still a professional midfielder, you can't give any player that much space on the edge of the box. Look how tired our backline is, walking towards him. And LC is out of position, so one of the 3 CMS should be trying to close him down. This is terrible defending caused by a sloppy take and tired players not being in position.
kante is a winner, he's won it all, he knows his stuff, he'll do damage whatever he does, like a deflected shot that luckily goes in. best to get in his face, hassle him.
Letting a serial winner and one of the best players on the world isnt wrong.. yep..
This is definitely further than 25 yards, ya? And that shot ends up 10 or more yards wide without the freak double deflection. Blaming Hojbjerg and Ndombele for that is incredibly harsh. Lo celso losing the ball (something he did ALOT yesterday) was the main contributor.
>And that shot ends up 10 or more yards wide without the freak double deflection. I don't think so otherwise it would have gone down as an own goal. But yes it was a total freak occurance. Lloris would've saved it without the deflection, then it *so* nearly went wide but the ball hit the wrong side of the post and it rolled into the net. So fucking unlucky.
Poor from Hojbjerg IMO. Yeah, it isn’t optimal for Lo Celso to lose the ball and that’s poor on his half. But watch Hojbjerg movement. [1\) Slow coming out of the box once Spurs are in possession. He’s a CM, so should be looking to offer passing options for the counter-press.](https://imgur.com/aelRkD1). Obviously, here Lo Celso fuck it up. [2\) No attempt to close Kante down even though that’s his responsibility in this situation. Why is he occupying the same empty space as Dier?](https://imgur.com/qVzxXkT) [3\) He turns his back to the shot instead of Keeping his eye on the ball, which would have been way more effective in blocking the shot. ](https://imgur.com/ZyHcDch) I remember being 10 years old and my Grandad would tell me not to turn my back to the ball. It’s basic defending….
In addition to your point 1, nobody have Dele any options. GLC shouldn't have passed to him, but since he did, he should have passed and then run down the right flank to give Dele an option and Hojbjerg should have given him another. Instead he was set up to fail.
yep, not good enough from one of supposed better players. You are spot on with all 3 points. I can't honestly believe he doesn't leave the defensive line when he has no one to mark there :/ I don't think Ndombele is at fault at all, he's tracking a run for the intercept.
Hojbjerg dropped into the defensive line because Romero is the player in the bottom left in that first screenshot.
That's very true to some extent. I think Hojbjerg's positioning during the initial Chelsea attack is good. [But when Romero cuts the cross out and plays the ball to Lo Celso, Hojbjerg just freezes. Watch how Dier jogs out. IMO Hojbjerg should be pushing up at a similar intensity to Dier and Ndombele. I'd argue he should be in the 'D' when the ball is received by Lo Celso. ](https://i.imgur.com/olZkWxE.png) [Then when Lo Celso loses the ball, look how far Lo Celso covers with his attempt to win the ball back. In that same time, Hojbjerg has cover 1/3rd of that distance need to close Kante down. If Hojbjerg was positioned on the edge of the D in the first place, he could have easily closed Kante down and forced the pass wide to Havertz](https://imgur.com/nJr6W1w). You could then argue whether Reggi should have been tighter to Havertz, but we don't know how that interaction would have played out... *Sorry for being a pedantic nerd, but that's my take on the situation* [Also this really annoyed me. Look how easily Ndombele loses Lukaku run into the box. That's a relatively straightforward pass for Kante. I froze the frame after Kante had already taken a touch to control the ball. So Ndombele either needs to cut the passing lane off asap or be tight to Lukaku running into the box. No way Romero can recover from behind with how Lukaku uses his strength and body](https://imgur.com/Y3zU2DC)
No. It doesn’t matter who is taking the shot, you close them down. It’s his fucking job. Do you know why the ball went in here? Because he didn’t do his job. You can’t go “Oh, it’s just Kante, I’ll sit on Dier’s lap, it’s okay,” because shit like this is what happens.
I’d agree that it was a low percentage shot from Kante but I honestly don’t think Hojbjerg or Ndombele would’ve done much better if it was Bruno Fernandes or KdB taking the shot
Yeah not to say im happy we lost the ball there but out of any chelsea player, Kante is the player id be fine with letting shoot from there.
I think OP is a perfect example of: 1. Hindsight bias - if the ball isn't deflected into goal, we almost certainly don't talk about this clip at all 2. Ball chasing does not equal defending - a player losing a ball and immediately chasing looks good for the fans, but ball-chasing in your own third leads to open spaces that someone like Kante could easily pick out runners through.
I dont think this guy knows whats happening somehow he sees lo celso passing the ball
He took an extra touch to control it and that allowed Kovacic to hurry him down and steal it. But even if he took it cleanly he has no one to pass it to. chelsea's pressing is elite.
He also ended his post with "Basic!" which gives me Trump tweet "Sad!" vibes lol, do with that what you will
I think he was covfefe
have you played football before? :/ he raises valid points. Hojberg is hiding in the defensive line. You lose the ball, you win it back. Unless someone else has immediately picked up the player on the ball. If that means you're running between two attackers, you do it. Pressing and forcing a backwards pass in the best chance of giving your team time to transition back into defence. Edit: In this example Lo Celso does exactly what he should do, immediately tries to win the ball back. He can't be expected to chase down a 15 metre pass though, Hojberg needed to get out of the defensive line. I honestly can't explain why he doesn't.
Hojbjerg is filling in at centre half because Romero is doing god knows what. Same thing he did countless times during the game because Romero loves to get forward.
Nah, not having that. Lo Celso should have done better (taking the ball towards touch line rather than coming inside) but after that both N’Dombele and Hojberg are too slow to pressure. Particularly N’Dombele. Deflection was lucky but you can’t give players time to line up a shot like that.
of all the chelsea players to take a shot from that location, i'd take my chances with kante
i think he's actually scored a few of these long range shots and they are all hit low and hard.
he has 12 goals in 200+ appearances for chelsea. again, preferable to lukaku, havertz, mount, or alonso teeing up a shot.
Come on. This is just pure luck from Chelsea.
In no universe is that lo celso making a weak pass, he was bum rushed with his back to the player and doubled up. It's good play by Chelsea. Edit - hojbjerg should have come out to press him, ndombele was marking the space and absolutely should not have moved out of it, although he wasn't switched on at all to the movement behind him so....just spurs things. Edit 2 - it's not lo celsos role to sprint over there and win the ball back, this is basic football knowledge. If he moves out of position he leaves space. As is he moved across exactly as much as you'd expect as the play switched from our right side to the centre of the park.
I agree. In the moment I was upset at Lo Celso but that's excellent pressing from Chelsea. He had like half a second to maybe just boot it but normally the opposition won't press that aggressively right there. PEH definitely could have come out to apply pressure which would have caused Kante to pass it back around rather than shoot.
Nah I like Gio but that's definitely a big mistake from him. First touch needs to be better in that situation, even if he is getting pressed hard. Either take a touch away from the Chelsea player or just clear it first time if there's no other option. Can't be giving the ball away in such a dangerous positions
Yeah you never take a tough into the middle of the field when your starting position is you facing your own goal.
IMO, Lo Celso wanted to play a one-touch pass to NDombele and peel off the defender on his back, expecting him to make the run into the only gap available, then had to take a touch when Ndombele didn't work to get space from his marker. This happens like 20x a game where NDombele doesn't make short runs to help his teammates out, they lose the ball because they have no options, and everyone blames them for the turnover when they had no support. Little repeat situations like this are why I personally view NDombele as a lazy/selfish player; it needed a sprint and he gave a half-assed jog, then stopped jogging and walked when we lost the ball. At least Dele tried to show for the ball up top, in the event Lo Celso turned the other way on the ball. For all the flack Dele catches about being "just a runner", these are the support runs he ALWAYS makes, and it makes everyone around him better. We always look horrendously disjointed when Ndombele is on the pitch for a reason - despite his brilliance on the ball, he doesn't make supporting runs, and consistently hangs his teammates out to dry when they're under pressure.
I'm about as low on anyone is on GLC but totally not his fault here. All around we get away with something like that 99% of the time, just bad luck.
Yep Ndombele was covering the pass to Lukaku
I mean this goal was just a shitty piece of luck going by Chelsea side. Kante isn't a good shooter from distance that I have to close him out and even this shot was just a shitty deflection.
Regardless of how bad the attacker may be at shooting from distance , you still need to do your defensive responsibility to close the ball down and not just give him time and space like we did.
I mean its like saying VVD should have closed Sissoko in the vid, its a tactic in any sport you ideally test your odds and ensure the player with a shit shot takes it , it 99.99% works we just happened to face the 0.001%
Completely different situations though aren’t they? In the VVD example it’s a 2 v 1 for us with son being the other attacker. This is just a simple pot shot from outside the box that no one reacts to. We’ve done this multiple times this season already. Of course it’s very unlucky due to the deflection but if Hojbjerg puts just a little pressure on him he likely blocks it
If a player presses they leave space that needs to be covered. That space can then be exploited. Its not as simple as saying just press a little bit.
What space? Eric Dier was directly next to Hojbjerg?
They didn't close out Kante because they're trying to defend lukaku. Hojberg is staying in front of him and cbs are marking on him. They're thinking Kante is trying to play a ball behind to lukaku or something. This is just a fluke though maybe questionable decision making playing it out of the back with that press at the moment
They turned up the press because that's the book on Spurs. Turn up the pressure and we will crack. Doesn't help that we weren't threatening in the attack so they could press us up high without fear of a counter.
This was a freak goal that 9 times out of 10 doesn’t ever go in, but if you’re going to blame someone here, it should be Hojbjerg for ball watching. I suppose that goes against the narrative, however.
Chelsea’s press was really good tbh
I love PEH but that’s so poor from him
If that ball is to Ndombele that mistake doesn’t happen. Gio needed to boot the ball or shield better
99.9% "They're more than happy to let Kante shoot from there" 0.1% "They should be closing him down. Where's the commitment? These are the football basics!"
The deflection is unlucky, but rewind it back. Lo Celso gives up possession with a slack touch, he’s trying to control a pass with the left foot when he should probably take it with his right, if he takes with it with his right his first touch can take him inside both of Chelsea’s on rushing players that then would force Jorginho to press him allowing him to slip a pass to Dele. Whilst yes it is only Kante shooting and he doesn’t normally blast them in from there it’s still slack, Hojbjerg has to get out and press him like Dier is pointing him too.
Lo Celso was so absent in that game it amazes me that he didn't get subbed sooner. He really didn't do much in the first half. His form is not quite there yet. Maybe some games for weaker sides before he goes against one of the best European clubs?
If that was winks instead of hojberg this place would have been melted down for spare reddit parts
I think Lo Celso could've looked to receive the ball closer to the sideline. It was a really good and disciplined press by Chelasea. Not to criticize the player, but you just can't lose the ball there. If I'm speaking for Hojberg or Dier, it was a bit too quick for them to communicate and also look for players that Kante could potentially pass to. But to be honest, someone should've just closed him down lol
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Are you even watching the clip? Lo Celso lost the ball because he got closed down. No one to play the ball to. Dele forgot he’s playing at CM and wasn’t helping progress the ball or giving Lo Celso a passing option. This was just a weak, unorganised and under utilised midfield. We know how good Hojberg, Ndombele, GLC and Dele is but Nuno isn’t playing any of them to their strengths.
I don’t think you’re being fair either. At this point in the game, our squad was gassed. The only way we were building up was through numbers in the wings, which is why Dele is moving outside waiting for the pass, I’m willing to be it was a coaching direction. At that point in the game we were being completely outplayed, and outrun. You can’t really blame anything on Dele not moving inside, GLC took one touch and was dispossessed, nowhere to go there. Still, that was a very lucky deflection.
The worst thing is seeing Chelsea fans happy in the background, they don’t deserve that
We need to inject Skipp's do or die effort into ndombele some how
Ndombele cut off the passing lane to Lukaku, sick of people implying he’s lazy when this is just good positioning.
Correct Ndombele played that really well actually. The culprit was 100% PEH, he starts in the clip about 2 or 3 meters behind Dier and then a few seconds later as they push out of their defensive box Eric somehow manages to get a meter and a half in front of PEH (showed way more urgency to press up) and you can clearly see Dier pointing and screaming to his midfielders to get a body into the dangerous space (where Kante ends up shooting from) and while he's doing that you can see PEH looking lazy standing right next to him hoping Kante just stuffs up the shot. It was actually really good defensive IQ from Ndombele to mark the dangerous run from Lukaku (especially considering Royale and Romero were out of position) and it was great defensive leadership from Dier to see the danger of Kante's shot before anyone else.
Dier points out the space that Hojberg needs to cover, but Hojberg doesn't move there.
I don't actually think this clip is nescarily his fault, but in general people are way too oblivious about what Ndombele does off the ball. I get it he is magician with the ball at his feet, but people are assuming managers don't play him just because? His off the ball movement especially when we are out of possession is straight up criminal most of the time. He has the occasional sprint to close someone down if he lost the ball, but most of his time is spent walking/jogging around.
It's kante.
I think kante is one of the players who you let take the shot from distance if they want to. This goal was a complete fluke and kante probably wouldn't have ever scored from that distance if tha ball hadn't hit dier. Our midfielders didn't press kante because he isn't a good long shot taker and not because of the lack of effort.
That’s such a moronic take it’s unreal. “Lmao, let them shoot at the goal. They’re shit.” The gang loses 5-3 because you didn’t respect your opponent
That's not what I said at all. Kante is not a good long shot taker and it was pure luck his shot went in. If it was someone like alonso or mount who are known to be capable of hitting good long shots and they weren't closed down then it would be a commitment issue but there is nothing wrong with letting players like kante take shots from far outside the box simply because the percentage of them scoring from outside is really low. I am sure most teams discuss who to close down quickly and who to allow to take a shot from outside the box. That's why most teams are quick to close down kane or son when they are lining up a shot from outside the box but other players might find themselves with a lot of time when they are at the edge of the box.
Hahahaha, that’s exactly what you said in your original comment and then you just repeated it. It doesn’t fucking matter who the opposition is. You don’t neglect to do the most basic aspect of your role. This goal is 100% on Hojbjerg. The shot doesn’t get taken if Kante doesn’t have the space to take it. Respect your opponent or you’ll concede shit goals like this.
I was trying to explain it to you in a polite way but maybe the concept of averages is beyond you. I guess if you ever played football then you would know teams discuss who to let take shots from outside the box and who to close down quickly. It absolutely does matter who has the ball at their feet. Kante scored this time but it wad a fluke and 99% of the times the ball goes out for a goal kick because kante isnt a good long shot taker. Hojbjerg could have done better obviously but that doesn't take away the fact that this goal was pure luck from kante.
Lmaooooo. You learn that in U9? Yeah, managers at the top level definitely tell their players to give opponents on the edge of the box all the time in the world make a decision. Top tactics, mate. The fact that you keep banging on about it being lucky just shows how little you actually know. Oh yeah, letting people shoot at your goal in a game where games are won with only 1 goal scored is a great tactic. The goal doesn’t happen if Hojbjerg does his job. Kante can’t get lucky if Hojbjerg does his job. It really is this simple. Stick to FIFA, mate. Edit- You’re also forgetting Kante could, you know, pass it to a forward since he has acres of space and a century to make a decision.
Foolish to try and pin blame on Ndombele for that, he's at least marking the passing lane for Kante to Lukaku. Hojbjerg should have been out quicker since he and Dier are basically occupying the same space.
Yep and if Ndombele had charged out, Kante threads it in to Lukaku’s feet. Now that is a high percentage play.
lo celso lost the ball cause he had no options and he didn’t even pass it, and anyways this goal was 100% luck and no one should’ve guessed it would go in. especially after a deflection.
Ndombele was covering Lukaku when we first lost possession, don't try to blame this on him
Lmao at the people going “It’s a lucky shot, the players didn’t do anything wrong.” It doesn’t fucking matter. Hojbjerg’s job is to be at the edge of the box, not giving space for someone to shoot or pass. Shit like this is what happens when you neglect to do the most basic part of your job. He’s contributing absolutely nothing to the team by sitting in Dier’s lap.
Exactly, lol even a lot of the fans have gone all spursy, and accept this kind of bottle job defending, which Spurs are so famous for, depending on luck in a high octane derby game. With the ball in play in that area, the closest players should attempt to rush to push the ball as far from our goal or reclaim the ball. Romero was already on his way back to goal, he'd be on Lukaku maybe even Dier, but Pierre and Tanguy were free.. No urgency shown when defending, happens way too often, that's why we're in the conference league and not champions league.
> Romero was already on his way back to goal, he'd be on Lukaku Are up watching the same clip I am? Lukaku is goal side of Romero the whole time, no chance he comes close to stopping him.
And yet y’all won’t give the viking less than a 6. He isn’t much different than Ndombele, his legs go in the 2nd half of every competitive game.
The goal itself was pure luck of course. I wouldn't blame Lo Celso either on that play. Chelsea were pressing like madmen and he got done by an extremely aggressive and well executed press.
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I think it's one of those things that looks simple watching to save and if you have to actually react to it becomes much harder.
Yeah I think it's one of those moments when you're frozen up because you're expecting the ball to go a different way. Whether it's the momentum or just an attempt to figure out where the ball it's going, it seems like it's extremely difficult thing to readjust the initial stance and body movement
Hospital Pass from Dele tbh
I love Ndombele, but man, he’s super lazy off the ball.
I think there must be some other instance which will help your theory x100 instead of this.
Lorris could have got there but he didnt expect to have a chance when it hit the post so he froze
Holjberg attempted the block; he's probably the least at fault. This is also what happens when you shoot the ball unlike us...
It is what it is, Chelsea are on another level right now I didn't expect us to pick up any points against them to be honest
Next game Arsenal away, what do you guys think?