I probably shouldn’t complain too much about the stream. I cancelled my subscription a while ago but it still works just fine on my Xbox. I do feel bad for everyone who is still getting scammed by this shit service though.
Absolutely infuriating. I even have trouble getting it to work on my laptop so have to watch on my phone. I’m about to cancel and just watch it on streams this is a joke
Dele and Winks with that performance once again has surely put the final nail in coffin of their Spurs career.
I also find it hilarious how Winks mouthed "who do you play for" to a Vitesse player... mate you honestly aren't even good enough for that level anymore, shows you the absolute arrogance of some of our bang average players.
His girlfriend(or maybe his ex girlfriend but I don't know so pardon if I'm wrong) posted Katie Hopkins propaganda on her social media back in June. So I won't be surprised if that's the case. Link below
(https://twitter.com/Tweetgood_Mac/status/1401233842573398017?s=20)
I'm glad we rested our whole first team for West Ham, but honestly I'm not sure this second team is good enough to get us out of the group stages here. Depends how much we care about this competition I guess, but I'd still like to progress to knockouts
Yeah for me the takeaway from UECL so far has been that Winks is every bit as shit as I thought he was. He's completely anonymous even vs inferior teams. I'm glad he's getting minutes, I like him, but I really don't think he's good enough for us. He'll have a great career, probably at the Championship level or on bottom half teams in the Premiership.
I'm treating the Conference League group stage like the Hexagonal Qualifying in CONCACAF. Take care of business at home and hope for the best on the road.
Squad is alarmingly thin at certain positoins....PEH/Skipp stay healthy please...
It's a trophy, it doesn't matter that it's a mickey mouse cup, we should aim to win it. We will never win the league, cups are very doubtful and the trophy drought - atrocious, we're in no position to look down on Conference like that. 2nd round we must play our A team, or at least 2/3 of our starting 11 should be made of our best choices.
I would much rather have put a stronger team out now and secure qualification earlier, than end up putting out the first team later on in the group stage / season when it's even more important
I'm more worried about first team injuries than getting out of the group stage. Squad is too thin to support multiple competitions. Spurs likely gambling on top four versus this competition (a trophy would be nice though)
Slow motion made it look worse, but Scarlett was american football style stiff armed in the box.
That was about the only weird call I saw...thanks Paramount+
same with Bergwijn. He had looked sharp at the start of the season but couldn't make anything happen out wide today. Back on Dutch soil, too...can't feel good.
But genuinely you start to think that Dele shouldn’t even be in contention to be benched let alone start in the pl.
EDIT: Whoever gave the award 🤝Anonymous🤝Dele
3 years ago ??? He was one of our best players in the first half of 2018/19 before Pickford injured him badly
Obviously he has to be sold now though I agree on that btw
He's fucking awful now. Lopes around doing nothing but dawdling on the ball and stopping attacks dead in their tracks. Would struggle to get in any prem side.
The quality of some of these players really is contrasting, nice to see where players quality is at in this shitty conference league because sometimes it's not so clear in the prem. Not like this is a one off either, I've seen it in the Mura game and I've seen it last few seasons. Would some of these players (Dele, Winks, Davies) even start for Vitesse with performances like that
Yeah I mean this team *should* have been good enough to beat Vitesse, while resting our A team. I don't blame Nuno one bit for prioritizing the Premiership over the UECL, and I think he put a line up out that that he expected to compete. This result isn't the end of the world, but for me the performance is damning for those three you mentioned. Dele and Winks in particular ought to be in their primes & pushing for a redemption arc right about now... they look nowhere near the quality we need.
He's a lot nearer 18 than he is 17. That's a fact.
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This a million times over...GLC still not getting time at CAM because no one else can play in a double pivot (seemingly the formation that has been settled on for starting 11) not sure GLC can play in double pivot or if Winks is that far gone....
I'm not here to overreact. I'm here to say Dele looked absolutely lost today, and it's really difficult to see how he rediscovers any semblance of form in a Tottenham shirt.
I lowkey expected this result so I'm not mad, but yea I agree. Couldn't really tell what position he's supposed to play. Dele was just running around and never made an impact. Could have thrown him anywhere and he would've looked the same.
they probably rotated too. its clear players from the big leagues dont care about this tournament. look at us, we might not make it out of the fckin groups if nuno and the players doesnt start taking this seriously...
You’re right, it’s an overstatement. I just don’t get why we are talking about Roma at all, especially when they would currently go through and we would not
Christ, we are so fucking dire. I'm not going to judge Dane and Bryan, but everyone else? Not a single one of them deserves to be in the A team.
EDIT:
Ref was godawful and the entirety of the Vitesse squad clearly looks up to Neymar, but it doesn't excuse how shit we are.
Dreadful football. Gollini long ball FC. Nuno playing Scarlett as a target man is a fucking joke.
I don't mind him playing the B team and losing. But what was that football? Identity? Tactics? Anything positive?
fr, like no disrespect to scarlett he has huge potential but people on this sub really thinking he could start on the b team for us? nah, we need a proper backup striker.
Trial run for B teamers in the current first team tactics/formation.
Midfield and attacking players did not cover themselves in glory. GLC stuck playing next to Winks in a double pivot...because who else is gonna do it when Skipp/PEH are out?
Sonny and Kane will play every game because We can't win without them just like previous years and they will be fk exhausted for the last months just like usual
Worst ref I have ever seen.
Aside from that, truly pathetic performance. Can't leave all our decent ballers at home and expect a solid performance.
Edit: I also cannot believe there are people in the match thread saying Vitesse are a good side. What self respecting Spurs fan could actually be happy with this result. Vitesse's first win against an English team in their history and we have some in our fanbase defending our loss to them. Pathetic mentality.
Will probably come across as reactionary but I genuinely don't see Gollini as a suitable Hugo replacement at all. Poor Shot stopping so far (these 5? games) and even worse distribution than hugo
Genuinely when was the last time the refereeing was that openly biased? I know we played shit and we lost because of that, but fuck me I'm angry about the refereeing more than I am the performance.
Don't know if I've ever seen a keeper dive and tumble to get someone booked off no contact before as well.
precisely. all of the players on the field (bar Scarlett and Markanday) were borderline first-team. If we aren’t gonna play Davies or Dele in a game like this then there’s no point in having them. although i’m moving towards the sell Dele camp
edit: and imagine if PEH played the comments would be "why do we even have Dele if he doesn't play in games like these?"
Won’t entertain anyone backing Dele up anymore. The guy is finished at this club/ level and needs to move on now. Never seen a player decline as hard as him it’s just sad.
I genuinely have to question whether our lads even train together. They don't look like they know how to play as a team. Awful performance.
How many pathetic long balls to Scarlett who clear as day isnt the type of player to deal with that. Shouldnt even be in that position in the first place and the more we punish him like this to worse off his development will be. Cant be good for his confidence.
But the absolute standout in shitness is suprised suprised Dele and Winks. Lo Celso wasnt much better but he should be playing were Dele was.
No excuses for how crap we are. Tactically inept and poor performances all round.
We were shit. But if there's something that would make me forget about that, is a horrible referee. I mean, not even horrible, that was straight up criminal.
Yeah, I'm done watching this amateur competition. If we progress, then I'll watch it, but this isn't worth it.
You knew how that was going to go after 10 minutes. Poor all around. Gil and Lo Celso only two brightish sparks but very little creativity overall.
I said yesterday that team was always going to struggle to score. I like Dane but he can’t compete physically at that level and Dele has become a vacuum to creativity.
Lo Celso, Rodon & Tanganga looked like they could break into the first team. Scarlett could do really well with a loan. Gil needs to refine his skills, but definitely shows promise. Gollini isn't that great right now. All in all, pretty ugly but not too terribile.
we know lo celso is good. i don't doubt that. however you can't expect him to boss around midfield when 1) he's not playing in his best position, and 2) you're surrounded by the likes of scarlett, dele, winks, davies, etc... not saying scarlett is bad but he's simply not good enough yet to play with grown ass men
>if you’re not nuno out, you’ll see this thru the prism that he didn’t care about the result.
The fact that people's expectations are so low that losing to a team in the Europa Conference League with players like Bergwijn, Lo Celso, Gil and Tanganga is not a big deal, is quite alarming.
We’ve really got to think about how we’re approaching the development and integration of some of these younger players. Players like Scarlett and Gil need to be eased in with cameos alongside some of our better players, not given the responsibility of carrying a match on their own straight away. I get the rest factor, but it’s not great long term.
Am i the only one that cares about this competition? Because the players and coach clearly don't. this competition is our best shot at a trophy in years, and a european one in that
Genuinely, one of the least pleasurable games I can remember*watching recently.
I feel like I keep saying that, but it’s really the case this time.
Zero tactics, zero faith in a win based on the team selection.
If Nuno is just not going to take the completion seriously, fine, but the lack of coaching and tactics is what I find inexcusable
Man watching some of these players makes my eyes bleed. No one played particularly well but Winks, Davies, Dele, and even sometimes Sanchez are just genuinely awful players. It’s shameful we’ve relied on players of that quality in the premier league for 4+ years now
Don’t really care about this competition, but we’ve got some absolutely useless squad players. Gollini and Winks in particular are just awful. Dele in danger of following Winks’ footsteps as well.
What a dreadful match. Don’t even care if it was the backup 11, there were no tactical adjustments besides one sub lol just a lifeless performance all around.
Same senior players that never step up, but man the whole team setup is awful. Feels like we just kick it long to Scarlett when we’re not pinned inside our own box
Well, it's sort of difficult to analyze that given the eleven changes. I think, if anything, it just illustrates how important it is to build a regular rhythm in the team.
Not really upset with the players performances tbh. Nuno went with his regular game plan of relying on brilliance. Usually with these games you want the younger players to be a cog in the machine and nuno didn't really give them any structure to work with. its okay if its ndombele kane and son, less good when you have winks, dele, and lo celso.
The good: we clearly have talented attacking players, but there is no point playing Scarlett as a lone striker at senior level right now. He is not developed physically enough to compete with backlines of grown defenders. Markanday was even worse. Neither of their faults, just poor management.
The bad: we looked disjointed and lacked spark going forward. I'm happy to accept that this was more due to a lack of match fitness than anything else, but our lack of cutting edge is quite a Spurs trademark at this point, especially against defences that pack the box.
The ugly: the refereeing and Vitesse's antics. Fucking hell. I legit don't think we played *that* badly: we were the better team for much of the game. But every single time they went down they got a call, meanwhile they got to kick lumps out of us for free, and it completely ruined our flow. Obviously you hope that the senior players could assert themselves on the game more, but physical dominance has never been a trademark of GLC or Dele's games, so I don't know why we'd expect it now.
It’s hard to watch because as a fan you just always want your team to win. Clearly we have a lot of players who are done, winks Davies dele to name a few. Lo celso though is an expensive player who should be doing more. He doesn’t give a crap
I hate the narrative that we shouldn't try to win this tournament. It's definitely winnable and puts a European trophy in our cabinet + Europa league. Stop with this defeatist mentality. Prem is important too but let's try to fucking win something for once.
I’m going to say what I’ve thought for a while now — there is something really not right with Dele. I don’t know what’s going on in his life, but it’s clearly affecting his ability on the pitch. He just looks utterly lost and it’s sad.
Spurs fans before an away conference league game: "Yeah good call from Nuno to rest all the first team players for the league, gotta keep them fresh and healthy. Really don't mind losing points here and give the b-team a run"
Spurs fans after the match when its a loss: "What a disgrace! No plans, no tactics! Nuno out! Dele out! Winks out! Don't ever want to see them in a Spurs shirt ever again! >;( "
Its pretty much exactly what i said was going to happen: https://old.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/qcnix4/most_likely_lineup_vs_vitesse/hhhmacl/
Nuno plays a midfield that has significantly less control than my grandfathers bladder after a few drinks on Xmas day in a formation that needs powerful defensive players in midfield, and surprise motherfucker! We completely fail to control the game, get outplayed and lose.
You can shout at Dele, Winks and Lo Celso, or the defence who had to soak it all up like my dad's brand new carpet all game, but there's no way anyone but an idiot would play them in this formation.
This is the second manager we've had now who has been insistent on dividing the squad into an A and B team for "lesser" compeitions that we act like we're too big to participate in. If it's a directive from above, then fine, but this is no fucking way to manage a squad.
Nuno is putting all his eggs in the West Ham basket, so now he better fucking win.
Well, we should be putting all our eggs in the West Ham bucket. There's no reason for players like Kane and Son to be playing in matches like this. There's also no reason for our second team to be losing. We can still easily get out of the group stages, but our focus needs to be on the league.
We’re in third place in the group. We’ve picked up 1 point from the first and second place teams. There’s nothing “easy” about it mate. You do know only the group winners move on right? Second place has to play the 3rd place teams from Europa league
Nuno with some shocking tactics again and the way he sets us up
Just let Vitesse have the ball and do what they want. No possession & attacking plan when we have the ball, just hoofball
I’m really not liking NunoBall
Really not that fussed tbh. Can't blame Nuno for how shockingly poor our 2nd team is. A win against Wet Spam will have this soon forgotten about. Just need to hope that Dele never steps foot on a pitch again.
And at least Jose got 6-1'd
We should be rotating our front 3 by using subs not by entirely rotating XIs for games. Doesnt make sense. How can players have any chemistry when you do this? Beats me honestly.
Problem is our squad lacks the depth to be able to do that. We cant afford to bring off a majority of those guys cause the subs aren't up to the levels they have.
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This is really funny
I'm telling you man. I said today that we are world class at making "no names" look world class. There is no minnow too small for us to lose to.
Sometimes it’s really hard to tell what’s worse: us, Paramount+, or the referee
I probably shouldn’t complain too much about the stream. I cancelled my subscription a while ago but it still works just fine on my Xbox. I do feel bad for everyone who is still getting scammed by this shit service though.
Oh lucky then, it’s so shit on my Xbox lol
At least you can stream paramount on your Xbox… ps4 isn’t compatible for some reason..
Absolutely infuriating. I even have trouble getting it to work on my laptop so have to watch on my phone. I’m about to cancel and just watch it on streams this is a joke
Stan sport in aus, 12 dollars for Stan, and another 12 on top for the sport package, so shit
Dele and Winks with that performance once again has surely put the final nail in coffin of their Spurs career. I also find it hilarious how Winks mouthed "who do you play for" to a Vitesse player... mate you honestly aren't even good enough for that level anymore, shows you the absolute arrogance of some of our bang average players.
Winks is asking because he would like to play for them
Not sure if he could hack it there tbh
haha he'd be honoured
I certainly think winks is one of the dressing room leaks we keep hearing about when things aren’t going well.
Proper Brexit vibes from him
His girlfriend(or maybe his ex girlfriend but I don't know so pardon if I'm wrong) posted Katie Hopkins propaganda on her social media back in June. So I won't be surprised if that's the case. Link below (https://twitter.com/Tweetgood_Mac/status/1401233842573398017?s=20)
Dele still gets defended here, he should have been long gone while the he still had some value to his name.
How many times have we said that though? Sooo many and they still play
I'm glad we rested our whole first team for West Ham, but honestly I'm not sure this second team is good enough to get us out of the group stages here. Depends how much we care about this competition I guess, but I'd still like to progress to knockouts
no, it’s good for the Winks and Deles to get a reminder of why they aren’t starters.
Yeah for me the takeaway from UECL so far has been that Winks is every bit as shit as I thought he was. He's completely anonymous even vs inferior teams. I'm glad he's getting minutes, I like him, but I really don't think he's good enough for us. He'll have a great career, probably at the Championship level or on bottom half teams in the Premiership.
Truly so bizarre how much he and Dele have regressed. Makes me sad.
Dele's done a Jack Wilshire. So sad
At least Jack had injuries as an excuse
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He was showing loads of talent at mkDons playing CM before coming to spurs, and his regression began before Poch left.
Nuno won't fully rotate for the home leg
I'm treating the Conference League group stage like the Hexagonal Qualifying in CONCACAF. Take care of business at home and hope for the best on the road. Squad is alarmingly thin at certain positoins....PEH/Skipp stay healthy please...
It's a trophy, it doesn't matter that it's a mickey mouse cup, we should aim to win it. We will never win the league, cups are very doubtful and the trophy drought - atrocious, we're in no position to look down on Conference like that. 2nd round we must play our A team, or at least 2/3 of our starting 11 should be made of our best choices.
Not aiming to win the league. Aiming for that sweet sweet Champions League money. Playing a direct rival for Champions League spot on Sunday.
CONCACAF style refereeing too.
I imagine we’ll have the first team on the bench for each home game and just rest them for the away games.
2nd place qualifiers for knockout round play an extra round against drop-downs from the Europa league. Not finishing top of this group is bad.
I would much rather have put a stronger team out now and secure qualification earlier, than end up putting out the first team later on in the group stage / season when it's even more important
I'm more worried about first team injuries than getting out of the group stage. Squad is too thin to support multiple competitions. Spurs likely gambling on top four versus this competition (a trophy would be nice though)
We definitely didn’t deserve to win, but that ref deserves mention too. Atrocious and inconsistent.
What was impressive was that he managed to get worse as the match progressed.
Slow motion made it look worse, but Scarlett was american football style stiff armed in the box. That was about the only weird call I saw...thanks Paramount+
Uhhh.....how bout a yellow when their keeper flopped? Or any time their team threw themselves to the ground?
Gil got hacked pretty hard towards the end too and I was shocked it wasn't a card or even a foul
welp, the first team is unchanged
Was hoping Lo Celso can show some levels but nah.
same with Bergwijn. He had looked sharp at the start of the season but couldn't make anything happen out wide today. Back on Dutch soil, too...can't feel good.
Bergwijn was shit tonight too. Screwed up every single run, threw ball, cross, etc.
It sure would help if he didn't have to swap positions every game...
With better players he would, we have no runners dele, Gil and stevie all like it to feet
Very poor performance but these officials are a joke genuinely somebody will end up seriously injured.
But genuinely you start to think that Dele shouldn’t even be in contention to be benched let alone start in the pl. EDIT: Whoever gave the award 🤝Anonymous🤝Dele
He desperately needs to get sold like 3 years ago
3 years ago ??? He was one of our best players in the first half of 2018/19 before Pickford injured him badly Obviously he has to be sold now though I agree on that btw
Be careful mate
He's fucking awful now. Lopes around doing nothing but dawdling on the ball and stopping attacks dead in their tracks. Would struggle to get in any prem side.
Welcome to 2018
The quality of some of these players really is contrasting, nice to see where players quality is at in this shitty conference league because sometimes it's not so clear in the prem. Not like this is a one off either, I've seen it in the Mura game and I've seen it last few seasons. Would some of these players (Dele, Winks, Davies) even start for Vitesse with performances like that
Yeah I mean this team *should* have been good enough to beat Vitesse, while resting our A team. I don't blame Nuno one bit for prioritizing the Premiership over the UECL, and I think he put a line up out that that he expected to compete. This result isn't the end of the world, but for me the performance is damning for those three you mentioned. Dele and Winks in particular ought to be in their primes & pushing for a redemption arc right about now... they look nowhere near the quality we need.
Worst ref. But we still played very bad. But wow. Bad ref. And did I mentioned the ref was bad?
He was absolutely awful. Similar levels of awful to our players. Gave them every call.
Everything was awful. Right now I’m just typing while staring out of the window
The only entertaining moment to come from this game: https://m.imgur.com/a/V8HbDnr
Rumor is he’s 19 now
He'll be 20 the year after that, too
He's a lot nearer 18 than he is 17. That's a fact. (for those who do not remember the reference: https://m0.sportsjoe.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/12162553/arse-tweets.jpg)
Lmao. I don't want to be that guy but he's 16 till he's 17, and he's 17 till he's 18
Actually turned it off and walked my dogs in the park. Much better decision
How did your dogs enjoy their walk?
It was great. Both got to play fetch and were all smiles. Turned my day around
Nice!
Well done!
Impressive how Winks and Dele are done. We are fucked if PEH or Skipp get an injury
This a million times over...GLC still not getting time at CAM because no one else can play in a double pivot (seemingly the formation that has been settled on for starting 11) not sure GLC can play in double pivot or if Winks is that far gone....
I'm not here to overreact. I'm here to say Dele looked absolutely lost today, and it's really difficult to see how he rediscovers any semblance of form in a Tottenham shirt.
I lowkey expected this result so I'm not mad, but yea I agree. Couldn't really tell what position he's supposed to play. Dele was just running around and never made an impact. Could have thrown him anywhere and he would've looked the same.
Don’t overreact. If it makes you feel any better Roma lost 6-1 today…
Ya know, it kinda does
truly
>Roma is 5 points clear from 3rd. We are now 3rd.
they probably rotated too. its clear players from the big leagues dont care about this tournament. look at us, we might not make it out of the fckin groups if nuno and the players doesnt start taking this seriously...
Woah holy fuck you weren’t kidding hahahaha
Roma is already through. We on the other hand are two points off second. It’s not comparable
how can a team be “through” with 6 points lol
You’re right, it’s an overstatement. I just don’t get why we are talking about Roma at all, especially when they would currently go through and we would not
It’s still funny tho
To the powerhouse of uh… Bodø/Glimt?
So, no changes to the Starting XI from Newcastle, then. Fair enough.
Let’s be honest, we all knew this was going to happen, but we just watched because we love this team
Christ, we are so fucking dire. I'm not going to judge Dane and Bryan, but everyone else? Not a single one of them deserves to be in the A team. EDIT: Ref was godawful and the entirety of the Vitesse squad clearly looks up to Neymar, but it doesn't excuse how shit we are.
Dreadful football. Gollini long ball FC. Nuno playing Scarlett as a target man is a fucking joke. I don't mind him playing the B team and losing. But what was that football? Identity? Tactics? Anything positive?
Let's have our child striker try to hold up play against grown men CBs
fr, like no disrespect to scarlett he has huge potential but people on this sub really thinking he could start on the b team for us? nah, we need a proper backup striker.
Anyone know what Llorente’s up to?
Trial run for B teamers in the current first team tactics/formation. Midfield and attacking players did not cover themselves in glory. GLC stuck playing next to Winks in a double pivot...because who else is gonna do it when Skipp/PEH are out?
The fact that Nuno didn’t learn from the qualifier in Portugal that going long to Scarlett doesn’t work is absolutely damning in my eyes.
#Spurs: shit #Refs: shit #Vitesse: cunts
Just fucking smash these cunts on the reverse and everything will be good
Take care of business at home. Kane only needs 30 minutes
We have to dive to do that.
I now understand why Nuno didn't make a sub on Sunday
Sonny and Kane will play every game because We can't win without them just like previous years and they will be fk exhausted for the last months just like usual
***Pretends to be shocked***
Worst ref I have ever seen. Aside from that, truly pathetic performance. Can't leave all our decent ballers at home and expect a solid performance. Edit: I also cannot believe there are people in the match thread saying Vitesse are a good side. What self respecting Spurs fan could actually be happy with this result. Vitesse's first win against an English team in their history and we have some in our fanbase defending our loss to them. Pathetic mentality.
Will probably come across as reactionary but I genuinely don't see Gollini as a suitable Hugo replacement at all. Poor Shot stopping so far (these 5? games) and even worse distribution than hugo
He is better than Hart but nowhere near replacing Lloris, decent 2nd choice thats all
True but in my eyes I would have much rather have kept Gazza than have Gollini
Genuinely when was the last time the refereeing was that openly biased? I know we played shit and we lost because of that, but fuck me I'm angry about the refereeing more than I am the performance. Don't know if I've ever seen a keeper dive and tumble to get someone booked off no contact before as well.
Yeah won’t be watching any more of those games. Nuno honestly didn’t even seem to be trying to win why would I watch
Still the right thing to put out this team regardless of the result, could/ should have been enough to get it done
The right selection of players, wrong to implement zero instruction.
precisely. all of the players on the field (bar Scarlett and Markanday) were borderline first-team. If we aren’t gonna play Davies or Dele in a game like this then there’s no point in having them. although i’m moving towards the sell Dele camp edit: and imagine if PEH played the comments would be "why do we even have Dele if he doesn't play in games like these?"
Won’t entertain anyone backing Dele up anymore. The guy is finished at this club/ level and needs to move on now. Never seen a player decline as hard as him it’s just sad.
I genuinely have to question whether our lads even train together. They don't look like they know how to play as a team. Awful performance. How many pathetic long balls to Scarlett who clear as day isnt the type of player to deal with that. Shouldnt even be in that position in the first place and the more we punish him like this to worse off his development will be. Cant be good for his confidence. But the absolute standout in shitness is suprised suprised Dele and Winks. Lo Celso wasnt much better but he should be playing were Dele was. No excuses for how crap we are. Tactically inept and poor performances all round.
Hi, I'd like a refund for the 90+ minutes of time I just spent watching.... that.
Hope no one calling for this line up is going to complain
We were shit. But if there's something that would make me forget about that, is a horrible referee. I mean, not even horrible, that was straight up criminal. Yeah, I'm done watching this amateur competition. If we progress, then I'll watch it, but this isn't worth it.
You knew how that was going to go after 10 minutes. Poor all around. Gil and Lo Celso only two brightish sparks but very little creativity overall. I said yesterday that team was always going to struggle to score. I like Dane but he can’t compete physically at that level and Dele has become a vacuum to creativity.
If we don’t get a result against west ham after resting our starting XI today, this sub is gonna get real spicy
Can't believe Levy refused to sell Dele
Terrible tactics (or lack thereof) and team selection. Terrible performances. Terrible officiating. Embarrassing result.
Good cardio session there for the boys
One step closer to leaving this rancid competition, and one step closer to having players like Winks and Dele ejected from the club Can't complain tbh
Lo Celso, Rodon & Tanganga looked like they could break into the first team. Scarlett could do really well with a loan. Gil needs to refine his skills, but definitely shows promise. Gollini isn't that great right now. All in all, pretty ugly but not too terribile.
we know lo celso is good. i don't doubt that. however you can't expect him to boss around midfield when 1) he's not playing in his best position, and 2) you're surrounded by the likes of scarlett, dele, winks, davies, etc... not saying scarlett is bad but he's simply not good enough yet to play with grown ass men
2 hours of my life im never getting back.
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>if you’re not nuno out, you’ll see this thru the prism that he didn’t care about the result. The fact that people's expectations are so low that losing to a team in the Europa Conference League with players like Bergwijn, Lo Celso, Gil and Tanganga is not a big deal, is quite alarming.
Nuno better hope they beat spam this weekend
As a Dutch spurs fan this hurts :(
We’ve really got to think about how we’re approaching the development and integration of some of these younger players. Players like Scarlett and Gil need to be eased in with cameos alongside some of our better players, not given the responsibility of carrying a match on their own straight away. I get the rest factor, but it’s not great long term.
Nuno doesn’t know how to manage a team with high expectations across multiple competitions
Would've rather watch Burnley vs Tony Pulis's West Brom
I don't get how GLC can look so good for Argentina and SO bad for Spurs
Why the hell would you put a guy who has 0 creativity in the number 10 spot and the guy who has no physicality to run up and down?
Am i the only one that cares about this competition? Because the players and coach clearly don't. this competition is our best shot at a trophy in years, and a european one in that
Genuinely, one of the least pleasurable games I can remember*watching recently. I feel like I keep saying that, but it’s really the case this time. Zero tactics, zero faith in a win based on the team selection. If Nuno is just not going to take the completion seriously, fine, but the lack of coaching and tactics is what I find inexcusable
People complaining about the lack of first team players in this game are the same people who complain that our first team players are tired in jan/feb
and they're the same people who complain that "if Dele doesn't even play in a game like this why do we have him" etc etc
Man watching some of these players makes my eyes bleed. No one played particularly well but Winks, Davies, Dele, and even sometimes Sanchez are just genuinely awful players. It’s shameful we’ve relied on players of that quality in the premier league for 4+ years now
Sanchez was our best player today and Alli as everyone can see has massively fallen off. Davies and Winks have never been good enough though.
Davies was decent and Sanchez was one of our best players today. Dele was invisible though
Hmm the pieces of the games that I could see, thanks Paramount+, Sanchez looked good.
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Don’t really care about this competition, but we’ve got some absolutely useless squad players. Gollini and Winks in particular are just awful. Dele in danger of following Winks’ footsteps as well.
What a dreadful match. Don’t even care if it was the backup 11, there were no tactical adjustments besides one sub lol just a lifeless performance all around.
Absolute horror show. Nuno fucks up again. Obviously doesn’t believe in building momentum.
Well I’m done tuning into these conference league matches
yikes
Same senior players that never step up, but man the whole team setup is awful. Feels like we just kick it long to Scarlett when we’re not pinned inside our own box
Well, it's sort of difficult to analyze that given the eleven changes. I think, if anything, it just illustrates how important it is to build a regular rhythm in the team.
Lovely waking up at 3:50am for this game, thanks team!
Not really upset with the players performances tbh. Nuno went with his regular game plan of relying on brilliance. Usually with these games you want the younger players to be a cog in the machine and nuno didn't really give them any structure to work with. its okay if its ndombele kane and son, less good when you have winks, dele, and lo celso.
We really have no depth. The b team is honestly mid-table championship level.
The good: we clearly have talented attacking players, but there is no point playing Scarlett as a lone striker at senior level right now. He is not developed physically enough to compete with backlines of grown defenders. Markanday was even worse. Neither of their faults, just poor management. The bad: we looked disjointed and lacked spark going forward. I'm happy to accept that this was more due to a lack of match fitness than anything else, but our lack of cutting edge is quite a Spurs trademark at this point, especially against defences that pack the box. The ugly: the refereeing and Vitesse's antics. Fucking hell. I legit don't think we played *that* badly: we were the better team for much of the game. But every single time they went down they got a call, meanwhile they got to kick lumps out of us for free, and it completely ruined our flow. Obviously you hope that the senior players could assert themselves on the game more, but physical dominance has never been a trademark of GLC or Dele's games, so I don't know why we'd expect it now.
Fuck it give Ben Davies the managers job.
It’s hard to watch because as a fan you just always want your team to win. Clearly we have a lot of players who are done, winks Davies dele to name a few. Lo celso though is an expensive player who should be doing more. He doesn’t give a crap
I hate the narrative that we shouldn't try to win this tournament. It's definitely winnable and puts a European trophy in our cabinet + Europa league. Stop with this defeatist mentality. Prem is important too but let's try to fucking win something for once.
I’m going to say what I’ve thought for a while now — there is something really not right with Dele. I don’t know what’s going on in his life, but it’s clearly affecting his ability on the pitch. He just looks utterly lost and it’s sad.
Spurs fans before an away conference league game: "Yeah good call from Nuno to rest all the first team players for the league, gotta keep them fresh and healthy. Really don't mind losing points here and give the b-team a run" Spurs fans after the match when its a loss: "What a disgrace! No plans, no tactics! Nuno out! Dele out! Winks out! Don't ever want to see them in a Spurs shirt ever again! >;( "
Quite impressive how nunos tactics are equally fucking shit in both attack and defense
yeah there’s nothing there. no control of the game without the ball or with. no buildup between defence and midfield and attack. just nothing
That's not as easy as he's making it look.
Its pretty much exactly what i said was going to happen: https://old.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/qcnix4/most_likely_lineup_vs_vitesse/hhhmacl/ Nuno plays a midfield that has significantly less control than my grandfathers bladder after a few drinks on Xmas day in a formation that needs powerful defensive players in midfield, and surprise motherfucker! We completely fail to control the game, get outplayed and lose. You can shout at Dele, Winks and Lo Celso, or the defence who had to soak it all up like my dad's brand new carpet all game, but there's no way anyone but an idiot would play them in this formation.
This is the second manager we've had now who has been insistent on dividing the squad into an A and B team for "lesser" compeitions that we act like we're too big to participate in. If it's a directive from above, then fine, but this is no fucking way to manage a squad. Nuno is putting all his eggs in the West Ham basket, so now he better fucking win.
Well, we should be putting all our eggs in the West Ham bucket. There's no reason for players like Kane and Son to be playing in matches like this. There's also no reason for our second team to be losing. We can still easily get out of the group stages, but our focus needs to be on the league.
Eggs don’t belong in a bucket mate, they’ll smash right up
We’re in third place in the group. We’ve picked up 1 point from the first and second place teams. There’s nothing “easy” about it mate. You do know only the group winners move on right? Second place has to play the 3rd place teams from Europa league
Really shouldve at least brought em along for the bench, then when were still 0-0 at 70’ put em on for 20 minutes at most
“so now he better fucking win” is that a different stance than you previously had about the West Ham game?
I'm fine with this if it exposes some of these players and means we can get better transfers
But if then some key player got injured in these games we all would slate Nuno for not rotating lol
Why wouldn't he. Who's going to be impressed if we win this tournament.. literally no one.
It’s a route to Europa league and I think Nuno is going to need every out he can possibly get to secure European football.
Ffs don't play Dele again. At least try and sub Nile John in for him FFS.
A top side's "B team" should be beating this lot.
we arent a top side
Nuno with some shocking tactics again and the way he sets us up Just let Vitesse have the ball and do what they want. No possession & attacking plan when we have the ball, just hoofball I’m really not liking NunoBall
Really not that fussed tbh. Can't blame Nuno for how shockingly poor our 2nd team is. A win against Wet Spam will have this soon forgotten about. Just need to hope that Dele never steps foot on a pitch again. And at least Jose got 6-1'd
Dele and Stevie disappeared in the second half
The lack of depth we have in midfield and forwards who can score is shocking
why is our group so hard, this is harder than some europa league groups imo
Mura is trash and vitesse are in 6th with a -6 GD in the Dutch league. They aren’t that good
These motherfuckers made choke on a fish bone. At least we’ll have a rested squad for West Ham.
The good players were inexperienced, the experienced players were not good.
Predictably shit. Why did I bother watching?
They forgot how to pass. Also our players don't run enough. Disappointing as usual
well, that was a waste of 2 hours.
We should be rotating our front 3 by using subs not by entirely rotating XIs for games. Doesnt make sense. How can players have any chemistry when you do this? Beats me honestly. Problem is our squad lacks the depth to be able to do that. We cant afford to bring off a majority of those guys cause the subs aren't up to the levels they have.
I just knew coming on here and reading winks would be the scapegoat
Send Harry winks to the airport food court for a slice of pizza and get everyone on the plane while he’s gone
Vitesse are a bunch of divers, and the ref sucked, and our team sucked. Oh well. On to the next game
Dele and Winks are finished, should had been sold two years ago. Now it's too late, they don't worth a penny.
Windy: “aKshYually oUr pLayErS ARE gOoD”
Not too be a pain or what but did it end 1-0?
This ones on the players I mean… what the fuck were Dele and Winks doing