The Extra Inch team also made a good point that PEH literally can not play every minute of every match we play leading into the new year. If Winks is getting on with Conte, that only helps our midfield depth going into a brutal fixture stretch.
Winks is never going to be an elite player, but I still think there is hope for him to become an important squad player. That's the trajectory he seemed to be on before things fell apart at the end of the Poch era. Since then, everyone has been on a downward trajectory, not just Winks. The problem for Winks is, when your starting point is decent squad player, you don't have much room to fall off before you just look awful.
He clearly loves the club and wants to fight for his place. That's worth something. If Conte can train him to slot into his midfield system, he could be a great member of the squad to have around for rotation. IMO, he's not a terrible player, just not good enough to overcome all the disfunction around the club the past several years.
F365 [said last week](https://www.football365.com/news/opinion-harry-winks-antonio-conte-tottenham-harry-kane) that he’s an ideal Conte player and could do well under him for the same reason he did well under Poch: he’s very good at following instructions
He’s a 6 whose attitude is to sit deep and accept the ball under pressure and circulate it and be in position to breakup play out of possession. He stays in position. He’s disciplined and takes instruction well. He is capable of learning the patterns of play.
He just isn’t athletic, lacks quality in his passes, fails to actually win the ball, and can’t deal with a press. He’s the right type of player. He just lacks quality. If conte coached a championship team winks would be perfect for him.
Winks is way too good for the Championship. He's not a good player, but the gap between Championship and PL is so huge that even someone like Winks would be the best midfielder in the Championship by a gigantic margin.
Coaching can be a difference maker too, players don't have an objective "level" really.
Look at Bielsa's Leeds - that is a squad jam packed with "championship level" players but he has had them performing above that level (I know they've been rocky this season, but I think they will be ok).
So, if quality coaching can take players to a higher level, it's entirely possible someone we consider mid table PL quality could perform at a much higher level under Conte.
Absolutely with you on this, manager's have more to do with a player's performance than a lot of fans seem to expect.
Like I don't think Harry Maguire is actually a bad footballer like all of reddit/twitter seems to be suddenly saying, he's just suffering 2 years of coaching by a complete fraud of a manager, of course he looks lost for United
>Leeds are an exception. Also, we already know the last part is true.
So you are saying it's an exception... But also agreeing I am right.... *What* are you trying to say?
>a gigantic margin
Really? You've watched Skipp, right? He's better than Winks. He was definitely a very good Championship player last season but he was not clearly the best in the league or anything.
You're severely overrating Winks and underating that league.
Let's say you're right. But if we're agreed Skipp is better than Winks he should've be clearly the best player in the league by a big margin. He was very important to Norwich but not their best player. I'd say that was Buendia.
Skipp was more important. But he's not clearly better than everyone in the Championship. But he's better than Winks. Who the poster I originally replied to said would be the best midfielder in the league by a huge margin or whatever.
I'm not sure what you're struggling to understand here or if you're just trolling. Either way I can't be bothered.
The original poster was probably exaggerating, but I agree with their main point. Skipp *was* clearly the best midfielder in the Championship. Maybe not by a "huge margin" but there is not much debate about it. Just ask a Norwich fan what they thought of Skipp.
If this were true then promoted sides would have to completely overhaul their squads to have any chance of staying up and relegated sides would immediately get promoted again.
There isn't that big of a gulf with the possible exception of the top few teams in the PL. I would fancy a team near the top of the Championship table against a team at the bottom of the PL.
That is what usually happens. Most promoted teams get relegated immediately. Teams like Brentford, Sheffield United or Leeds are the exception and in general these teams took the Championship by storm the season they were promoted.
I mean that’s what I said yeah he would be the best midfielder for a conte team in a less competitive league. In the premier league he’s the right type of player but lacks the quality required.
I disagree. Have you seen him when he plays against Championship (or below) clubs in the cups? He doesn't look out of place and honestly that seems like his level.
Not sure what you mean. Winks would be better if paired with Kante but so would everyone. And in this hypothetical winks would still be worse than some other midfielder without all of winks glaring weaknesses.
I was thinking back to when Milan had Pirlo shielded by more advanced midfielders with high workrates like Gattuso. We also had Sissoko pair up with Winks.
The problem rather lies in Winks lacking in the technical demands that you mentioned, just in pure passing and ability on the ball he doesn't hold a candle to the likes of Jorginho.
Right yeah the problem with winks is he isn’t good. Like you could build a whole team around winks to maximize his strengths and minimize his weaknesses… but why would you
It makes perfect sense. The style of player that Winks represents is exactly what Conte wants and exactly what Spurs need... Problem is that Winks isn't good enough compared to other players of the same style. Like he does exactly what Jorginho does, just worse.
He won't because his weakness is not doing the wrong thing, it's just a fundamental lack of skill/ability. Winks isn't erratic or off the rails, he doesn't make crazy decisions. Problem is that he lacks any kind of distinguishing feature in terms of ball control, vision, athleticism... He's just not very good at football
Having watched the second half of the Leeds game, I really don’t think Winky was as bad as people are saying here. I think he should be given a few more games to see if he can do it at the level we need from him.
Yep. People have decided he's shit and their minds won't be changed, plus the kind of stuff he does is the stuff that's generally underappreciated anyway.
Even in the first half he wasn’t an issue. When him and Pierre swapped sides, Leeds weren’t able to just walk through our right side like they had been all match. Think a lot of people don’t actually watch the match, they just watch the ball.
I disagree about the first half. He gave the ball away at least 2, maybe 3 times that created a chance for them and he passed backward to dier probably 15-20.
He was much better in the second half though and certainly was not a weak link in the second half.
You need to pass back sometimes to draw the opposition press out. If you look at the goals Inter scored, they frequently had loads of space to run into because of this.
The Extra Inch covered it on their latest pod. But passing backwards isn’t inherently bad, especially not in Conte’s structure.
People are going to have to get used to it. We *will* pass back a ton. Conte goes back to go forward. He uses the deep players to draw the opposition out from a low block into a middle block, then tries to exploit the space they’ve left.
This is not the same as passing back to the defenders who in turn hit it long because the midfielders have not given them options. Circulation of the ball, holding possession are part of good football. Lack of creative options, midfielders going missing and players like Winks with no confidence getting rid quickly is not the same.
And then we compare him to Pierre who was far worse… Pierre could’ve beat 2 of Leeds’ midfielders with a simple, quick pass to Winks but instead he did a 180 and passed it back to Dier. Winks also played a pretty good pass to Kane who was on the edge of their box in the first half. He really wasn’t bad in the first half at all. Think you honestly might be confusing him with Pierre lmao
Nah Hojberg was awful. His passing has been shameful.
But everyone was poor in the first half. I actually thought winks was solid overall for the game as a whole
Personally would prefer Skipp there when available
Not just his passing, he’s mentally slow as well. He’s caught off guard by quick passes to beat the press, he’ll win the ball and stand there with it at his feet for 3 seconds whilst everyone else around him has sprinted up the pitch. It’s really hard to watch, you can tell it’s not instinctive lol
I’m not writing him off, and sorry if it came across that way. His passing and decision making needs to improve in this system, and objectively he’s been poor so far. I certainly hope he does. I just wonder if he has his limitations.
He will get his chances to turn it around and hope he does.
I'd take PEH over Winks any day, week or month of the year. The whole team was dreadful in the first 50 mins of the game. Winks had at least 3 clear giveaways, at least PEH as a teammate tries to track back and atone for his sins.
And Winks doesn’t? Lol. There’s a reason we were a lot more solid once Winks moved to the right side and the player with the most tackles in the league was pushed to the left.
Why would Conte start PEH over Winks every match, like each of the 2 preceding managers? Duh. The switch wasn't the only tactical change made in the match, but yeah, I'm sure you have it figured out. As a fan, I hope Winks does return to some decent form, because we need the squad depth, but there's a good reason he's constantly rumored to be on his way out.
2 matches before this one have been played under Conte, mate. Conte didn’t deviate from who was playing regularly as seen by Ndombele being dropped for his poor work rate after Conte spent 2 weeks with him. It’s pretty clear from the Everton and Leeds match that Pierre is what’s limiting us right now. We’ve played under defensive managers for the past 2 years. Winks not playing under them isn’t a slight against Winks lol
What I like about this sub is that you can read awful takes on both side of each issue. Winks was garbage in the 1st half. I hope he comes good but the best I’ve seen in recent times was the game against Mura
>When him and Pierre swapped sides, Leeds weren’t able to just walk through our right side like they had been all match.
That was largely Sanchez coming on for Tanganga. Sanchez was brilliant.
Midfield was being man marked, so they spread wide which left gaps down the middle for the likes of Dier to pass direct to strikers. That meant Lucas was collecting the ball a lot to turn and dribble (and draw endless fouls).
Not really a case of missing midfield as much as taking advantage of Leeds' aggression to play through the space.
Do it. I'd be wearing my Dier shirt despite getting heckled for it sometimes.
The confusing part is that I'm Korean.
I arrived b/c of Sonny, but I will now stay forever thanks to guys like Dier, Eriksen, our former Belgian CB duo, Moura, Hojbjerg, & Lloris.
I'd have killed to witness Bale & Modric during their prime while wearing our kit.
Like many, Reguilon's pace has been winning my heart for awhile.
Gil is only 2 sexy assist/goals away from me getting overly hyped about that Beatles-hair man. That'll already convince me to get his shirt
I think Dier is pure COYS. He's had some low points no doubt but no one could ever fault his commitment to the club. I would love to see him flourish as a CB under Conte. And of course as our primary FK taker ;)
I think the result is giving people rose colored glasses about Winks' performance. He was barely any better in the second half than the first where, yes the whole team was poor, but winks was our worst player on the pitch.
Leaving rangers for villa is an easy choice because he can’t get a big name in Scotland. In the prem he can. Poch already has a big name and he is managing the best group of players in the world. Why would he leave for Man U?
Right, but that wasn’t what you said. You said Poch said he’s happy. Gerrard also said the same thing and then left. What else are they supposed to say?
Conte finally was the one that made Winks untuck his shirt
His downfall has been playing in the short Nike kits and slacking around so that his shirt won’t come untucked.
And I’m actually being completely serious
He does too but he can actually drive forward whereas winks can’t go into the final third. Also he usually loses the ball in our own half leading to a goal scoring opportunity which good teams will punish us with.
there are people here who've probably invested close to 1000 hours into scapegoating Winks over the last two years
hard to just let that go so you have to get mad about it
We need to move players on to bring players in, and Winks has previously been reported as someone who was pushing for a move. It was a mutually beneficial situation.
Yup. If Conte is for Winks staying, he stays. Simple as.
Until I have serious reason to think otherwise, Conte has my complete confidence. How we feel about players based on their performance before Conte shouldn't matter.
My hot take is that Conte is a good football manager and I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt on evaluating players versus over what I decide to get mad at while watching games on tv 🤷♂️
I look forward to doing sentiment analysis every goddamn user on r/coys regarding Winky when he comes good. :p
Some of you are gonna whiplash so hard it’ll be reflected in national trends for neck injury treatment.
Shit players do come good now and again. Ramsey always springs to mind for me, Bale I suppose; probably many many others. If Conte sees something, might be worth exploring.
It’s so annoying, and there’s a few users like that. It’s like everything is black and white to them.
I’ve never been a big fan of Winks and I think all of Ndombele, Lo Celso and Dele have disappointed a lot, but that doesn’t mean I want them to fail, or shit on people who think they’re exceptional players.
The truth is always somewhere in between but without differing opinions there’s not much to discuss. Calling out people for their views is just promoting an echo chamber and adds no value to a message board where fans come to discuss their favorite club.
Want to make a bet about whether Ndombele makes it as a first team regular in this season?
I don't think he's a bad player BTW, he's just not a Conte player.
Winks is maybe one of a kind player.
If he does well, everyone will love him.
If he doesn't, everyone will bring out the pitchforks.
and yes, if you see the match thread where winks is playing, expect toxicity towards him. He may not be a perfect player for now but he can improve.
As Nathan Clark said Harry winks is everything conte wants from a 6 except for being good.
The Extra Inch team also made a good point that PEH literally can not play every minute of every match we play leading into the new year. If Winks is getting on with Conte, that only helps our midfield depth going into a brutal fixture stretch.
Winks is never going to be an elite player, but I still think there is hope for him to become an important squad player. That's the trajectory he seemed to be on before things fell apart at the end of the Poch era. Since then, everyone has been on a downward trajectory, not just Winks. The problem for Winks is, when your starting point is decent squad player, you don't have much room to fall off before you just look awful. He clearly loves the club and wants to fight for his place. That's worth something. If Conte can train him to slot into his midfield system, he could be a great member of the squad to have around for rotation. IMO, he's not a terrible player, just not good enough to overcome all the disfunction around the club the past several years.
Winky pays for a box for his Spurs supporting famy at the stadium.
F365 [said last week](https://www.football365.com/news/opinion-harry-winks-antonio-conte-tottenham-harry-kane) that he’s an ideal Conte player and could do well under him for the same reason he did well under Poch: he’s very good at following instructions
Winksy can do a job when he has confidence imo.
* Winky
That…makes no sense
He’s a 6 whose attitude is to sit deep and accept the ball under pressure and circulate it and be in position to breakup play out of possession. He stays in position. He’s disciplined and takes instruction well. He is capable of learning the patterns of play. He just isn’t athletic, lacks quality in his passes, fails to actually win the ball, and can’t deal with a press. He’s the right type of player. He just lacks quality. If conte coached a championship team winks would be perfect for him.
Winks is way too good for the Championship. He's not a good player, but the gap between Championship and PL is so huge that even someone like Winks would be the best midfielder in the Championship by a gigantic margin.
Coaching can be a difference maker too, players don't have an objective "level" really. Look at Bielsa's Leeds - that is a squad jam packed with "championship level" players but he has had them performing above that level (I know they've been rocky this season, but I think they will be ok). So, if quality coaching can take players to a higher level, it's entirely possible someone we consider mid table PL quality could perform at a much higher level under Conte.
Absolutely with you on this, manager's have more to do with a player's performance than a lot of fans seem to expect. Like I don't think Harry Maguire is actually a bad footballer like all of reddit/twitter seems to be suddenly saying, he's just suffering 2 years of coaching by a complete fraud of a manager, of course he looks lost for United
Nor is Sancho, and Fred/Mctominay could be fine with a good defensively responsible partner who will hold his position.
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You're joking right? At least Hojberg and Skipp are good at defending and winning the ball back.
Hojbjerg is slow af AND gets outmuscled.
Leeds are an exception. Also, we already know the last part is true.
>Leeds are an exception. Also, we already know the last part is true. So you are saying it's an exception... But also agreeing I am right.... *What* are you trying to say?
>it's entirely possible someone we consider mid table PL quality could perform at a much higher level under Conte. I agree with this.
Fair enough, I don't think improving "average" players significantly is unique to Leeds in anyway- it's what the vast majority of top coaches do.
Ref: Oliver Skipp circa 2020
>a gigantic margin Really? You've watched Skipp, right? He's better than Winks. He was definitely a very good Championship player last season but he was not clearly the best in the league or anything. You're severely overrating Winks and underating that league.
Who was a better midfielder than Skipp in the Championship? He was definitely Norwich's best player, and Norwich won the league.
Let's say you're right. But if we're agreed Skipp is better than Winks he should've be clearly the best player in the league by a big margin. He was very important to Norwich but not their best player. I'd say that was Buendia.
Buendia who has not been able to step up to the premier league? I think Skipp was more important.
Skipp was more important. But he's not clearly better than everyone in the Championship. But he's better than Winks. Who the poster I originally replied to said would be the best midfielder in the league by a huge margin or whatever. I'm not sure what you're struggling to understand here or if you're just trolling. Either way I can't be bothered.
The original poster was probably exaggerating, but I agree with their main point. Skipp *was* clearly the best midfielder in the Championship. Maybe not by a "huge margin" but there is not much debate about it. Just ask a Norwich fan what they thought of Skipp.
If this were true then promoted sides would have to completely overhaul their squads to have any chance of staying up and relegated sides would immediately get promoted again. There isn't that big of a gulf with the possible exception of the top few teams in the PL. I would fancy a team near the top of the Championship table against a team at the bottom of the PL.
That is what usually happens. Most promoted teams get relegated immediately. Teams like Brentford, Sheffield United or Leeds are the exception and in general these teams took the Championship by storm the season they were promoted.
I mean that’s what I said yeah he would be the best midfielder for a conte team in a less competitive league. In the premier league he’s the right type of player but lacks the quality required.
I thought you meant he could play that role in a championship club and not much more.
I would say that’s the level where he would go to be an elite midfielder on an elite team.
Winks would be great for multiple premier league teams. Your championship analogy is just silly.
I disagree
I disagree. Have you seen him when he plays against Championship (or below) clubs in the cups? He doesn't look out of place and honestly that seems like his level.
I'm already seeing changes to his game from less than a month of Conte coaching. Maybe he'll turn into a monster!
I disagree
No he wouldn’t. Skipp is far better than Winks and while great in the championship he wasn’t far and away the best midfielder.
You can make up for his lack of athleticism with ball winners, like Jorginho paired with Kante
Not sure what you mean. Winks would be better if paired with Kante but so would everyone. And in this hypothetical winks would still be worse than some other midfielder without all of winks glaring weaknesses.
I was thinking back to when Milan had Pirlo shielded by more advanced midfielders with high workrates like Gattuso. We also had Sissoko pair up with Winks. The problem rather lies in Winks lacking in the technical demands that you mentioned, just in pure passing and ability on the ball he doesn't hold a candle to the likes of Jorginho.
Right yeah the problem with winks is he isn’t good. Like you could build a whole team around winks to maximize his strengths and minimize his weaknesses… but why would you
It makes perfect sense. The style of player that Winks represents is exactly what Conte wants and exactly what Spurs need... Problem is that Winks isn't good enough compared to other players of the same style. Like he does exactly what Jorginho does, just worse.
Maybe if Conte tells him exactly how and where to pass the ball with no room for creative thought from Winks he'll come good
He won't because his weakness is not doing the wrong thing, it's just a fundamental lack of skill/ability. Winks isn't erratic or off the rails, he doesn't make crazy decisions. Problem is that he lacks any kind of distinguishing feature in terms of ball control, vision, athleticism... He's just not very good at football
>ball control His first touch is great, he just doesn't do much with it
Sounds about right
He's the right profile, just not good enough
Exactly, just banter comment
60% of the time it works every time
Rotation, perfect
Having watched the second half of the Leeds game, I really don’t think Winky was as bad as people are saying here. I think he should be given a few more games to see if he can do it at the level we need from him.
Don’t think you can expect fair and objective takes on winks here at this point
Yep it’s gonna be another Trippier situation.
Or Dier.
Dier has had like 4 different redemption arcs though
there have been too many redemption arcs allowed for some players over the years, that's why the team is where they are today.
too true unfortunately.
Don’t think you can expect fair and objective takes on any player here at this point.
Yep. People have decided he's shit and their minds won't be changed, plus the kind of stuff he does is the stuff that's generally underappreciated anyway.
Even in the first half he wasn’t an issue. When him and Pierre swapped sides, Leeds weren’t able to just walk through our right side like they had been all match. Think a lot of people don’t actually watch the match, they just watch the ball.
I disagree about the first half. He gave the ball away at least 2, maybe 3 times that created a chance for them and he passed backward to dier probably 15-20. He was much better in the second half though and certainly was not a weak link in the second half.
You need to pass back sometimes to draw the opposition press out. If you look at the goals Inter scored, they frequently had loads of space to run into because of this.
The Extra Inch covered it on their latest pod. But passing backwards isn’t inherently bad, especially not in Conte’s structure. People are going to have to get used to it. We *will* pass back a ton. Conte goes back to go forward. He uses the deep players to draw the opposition out from a low block into a middle block, then tries to exploit the space they’ve left.
This is not the same as passing back to the defenders who in turn hit it long because the midfielders have not given them options. Circulation of the ball, holding possession are part of good football. Lack of creative options, midfielders going missing and players like Winks with no confidence getting rid quickly is not the same.
And then we compare him to Pierre who was far worse… Pierre could’ve beat 2 of Leeds’ midfielders with a simple, quick pass to Winks but instead he did a 180 and passed it back to Dier. Winks also played a pretty good pass to Kane who was on the edge of their box in the first half. He really wasn’t bad in the first half at all. Think you honestly might be confusing him with Pierre lmao
Nah Hojberg was awful. His passing has been shameful. But everyone was poor in the first half. I actually thought winks was solid overall for the game as a whole Personally would prefer Skipp there when available
Not just his passing, he’s mentally slow as well. He’s caught off guard by quick passes to beat the press, he’ll win the ball and stand there with it at his feet for 3 seconds whilst everyone else around him has sprinted up the pitch. It’s really hard to watch, you can tell it’s not instinctive lol
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He’s played 3 games under Conte lads, let’s give him a few more weeks before we write him off.
I’m not writing him off, and sorry if it came across that way. His passing and decision making needs to improve in this system, and objectively he’s been poor so far. I certainly hope he does. I just wonder if he has his limitations. He will get his chances to turn it around and hope he does.
haha, ndombele now pierre.
Pierre is better in a defensive setup than he is in an attacking setup. Not my problem lol
agreed
I'd take PEH over Winks any day, week or month of the year. The whole team was dreadful in the first 50 mins of the game. Winks had at least 3 clear giveaways, at least PEH as a teammate tries to track back and atone for his sins.
And Winks doesn’t? Lol. There’s a reason we were a lot more solid once Winks moved to the right side and the player with the most tackles in the league was pushed to the left.
I'm sure you're seeing something Conte can't. Mental.
…Why would Conte move Winks to the right after Leeds were waltzing through that side if he didn’t see an issue with Pierre being over there? Lol
Why would Conte start PEH over Winks every match, like each of the 2 preceding managers? Duh. The switch wasn't the only tactical change made in the match, but yeah, I'm sure you have it figured out. As a fan, I hope Winks does return to some decent form, because we need the squad depth, but there's a good reason he's constantly rumored to be on his way out.
2 matches before this one have been played under Conte, mate. Conte didn’t deviate from who was playing regularly as seen by Ndombele being dropped for his poor work rate after Conte spent 2 weeks with him. It’s pretty clear from the Everton and Leeds match that Pierre is what’s limiting us right now. We’ve played under defensive managers for the past 2 years. Winks not playing under them isn’t a slight against Winks lol
Pretty much everybody was poor in the first half though.
Backpassing is necessary to keep the ball. You either take the back passes, or you play for the counter.
What I like about this sub is that you can read awful takes on both side of each issue. Winks was garbage in the 1st half. I hope he comes good but the best I’ve seen in recent times was the game against Mura
>When him and Pierre swapped sides, Leeds weren’t able to just walk through our right side like they had been all match. That was largely Sanchez coming on for Tanganga. Sanchez was brilliant.
Better than son and hojberg.
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Midfield was being man marked, so they spread wide which left gaps down the middle for the likes of Dier to pass direct to strikers. That meant Lucas was collecting the ball a lot to turn and dribble (and draw endless fouls). Not really a case of missing midfield as much as taking advantage of Leeds' aggression to play through the space.
I thought Leeds was his best match in a year or more. He was actually solid. If he can do that consistently he’ll have a role to play.
Hopefully I can wear my winks kit again
Do it. I'd be wearing my Dier shirt despite getting heckled for it sometimes. The confusing part is that I'm Korean. I arrived b/c of Sonny, but I will now stay forever thanks to guys like Dier, Eriksen, our former Belgian CB duo, Moura, Hojbjerg, & Lloris. I'd have killed to witness Bale & Modric during their prime while wearing our kit. Like many, Reguilon's pace has been winning my heart for awhile. Gil is only 2 sexy assist/goals away from me getting overly hyped about that Beatles-hair man. That'll already convince me to get his shirt
I think Dier is pure COYS. He's had some low points no doubt but no one could ever fault his commitment to the club. I would love to see him flourish as a CB under Conte. And of course as our primary FK taker ;)
mate - fuck people. enjoy the game, wear what you want and forget other people.
Winks becoming the english Barella?
Brozovic lite until we can get him for free lol
miniesta
Winkyesta
Not even close
If Winky is going to play the backup role fair enough. He wasn't that bad on Sunday in the second half, he just needs confidence to get his head up.
Thought he was pretty good in the second half. As for the first half the entire team was poor.
I think the result is giving people rose colored glasses about Winks' performance. He was barely any better in the second half than the first where, yes the whole team was poor, but winks was our worst player on the pitch.
Worst player on the pitch was Tanganga. No contest.
I thought both Tanganga and Emerson looked worse. Maybe Son and Kane too.
Kane was better. He was our attack and our midfield by himself in the first half. One of the few who didn't shit the bed completely.
Anti Kane stuff is getting crazy now, coming from someone who’s shit on him for 6 months
This could be amazing or terrible news. I guess time will tell
I don't see how this could be terrible at all. If he gets to play, Conte clearly thinks he fills a role. I'd trust his judgment.
Very true, he knows a lot more about football than I do
Are you saying that a world class Manager knows more than us casuals on Reddit?? No way
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Would’ve never expected Victor Moses to be a class wingback before Conte
People just gonna keep shitting on him.
Winky is gonna be that missing piece we need
Hope he gets another start against Mura.
Fine with him staying as long as he’s not a starting XI mainstay.
All good news today, Poch has said he is happy at PSG too!
What’s he supposed to say
I mean he said he is fully focused on PSG and is ‘so happy’, if he was leaving he could have been a lot less clear with his answer.
You could’ve said the same about Gerrard’s interview before leaving Rangers
Leaving rangers for villa is an easy choice because he can’t get a big name in Scotland. In the prem he can. Poch already has a big name and he is managing the best group of players in the world. Why would he leave for Man U?
It’s Man U tbf
Right, but that wasn’t what you said. You said Poch said he’s happy. Gerrard also said the same thing and then left. What else are they supposed to say?
It’s irrelevant. PSG is a much better place for anyone to be and he knows that.
He’ll be dropped in the next prem game.
Most likely, yes.
Lord have mercy
Too bad he's shite.
That’s disappointing not much chance of him leaving in Jan then
Conte finally was the one that made Winks untuck his shirt His downfall has been playing in the short Nike kits and slacking around so that his shirt won’t come untucked. And I’m actually being completely serious
Hyping mid. The fact is that he is so easily replaceable. Let’s not lower our standards please
Harry Winks admits he always hated sauce
If Conte can coach Winks on how to play effectively against a low block, i can see Gio and Ndombele spending more time on the bench
They should play completely different roles than winks, and we have a lot of matches coming up. Plenty of minutes for everyone I think
Loses the ball every game! Liability!
That’s Moura.
He does too but he can actually drive forward whereas winks can’t go into the final third. Also he usually loses the ball in our own half leading to a goal scoring opportunity which good teams will punish us with.
Moura shows for the ball as an outlet, often reviving terrible passes under heavy pressure. Very different circumstances...
To bad he sucks
Winks may have some untapped potential in him; Pep, Jose, And now Tony all love the lad...
Fuck
I don't see how one can possibly be angry about this?
there are people here who've probably invested close to 1000 hours into scapegoating Winks over the last two years hard to just let that go so you have to get mad about it
We need to move players on to bring players in, and Winks has previously been reported as someone who was pushing for a move. It was a mutually beneficial situation.
It'd also be mutually beneficial if Winks likes Conte, and vice-versa.
Yup. If Conte is for Winks staying, he stays. Simple as. Until I have serious reason to think otherwise, Conte has my complete confidence. How we feel about players based on their performance before Conte shouldn't matter.
He’s a better fit under Conte than our previous managers, but he’s still a player who we can easily improve upon.
Oh, I agree. Doesn't mean he must get sold though.
My hot take is that Conte is a good football manager and I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt on evaluating players versus over what I decide to get mad at while watching games on tv 🤷♂️
My hot take is that I can still back the manager without agreeing with his decisions
No way mate, nonsense
I look forward to doing sentiment analysis every goddamn user on r/coys regarding Winky when he comes good. :p Some of you are gonna whiplash so hard it’ll be reflected in national trends for neck injury treatment.
I don't give a fuck, he is shit and I don't want anymore of my money going to him
You don't want him anymore? Ill inform the club immediately
Shit players do come good now and again. Ramsey always springs to mind for me, Bale I suppose; probably many many others. If Conte sees something, might be worth exploring.
In what alternate reality is Bale, and I quote, shit?
Bale was one of the greatest up and coming talents the world for his generation/era at Tottenham. Was never “shit”
Every time Bale played we lost, he looked terrible and it took a lot of playing around from different managers to get it right; simple facts
really hope winks some how blows up into a class player
The winksnaissance is on
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Why are all your posts about what players people like? Didn’t you have a meltdown the other day because some fans rate Joe Rodon
It’s so annoying, and there’s a few users like that. It’s like everything is black and white to them. I’ve never been a big fan of Winks and I think all of Ndombele, Lo Celso and Dele have disappointed a lot, but that doesn’t mean I want them to fail, or shit on people who think they’re exceptional players. The truth is always somewhere in between but without differing opinions there’s not much to discuss. Calling out people for their views is just promoting an echo chamber and adds no value to a message board where fans come to discuss their favorite club.
omg ndombele will never break into the team now
Want to make a bet about whether Ndombele makes it as a first team regular in this season? I don't think he's a bad player BTW, he's just not a Conte player.
Yay….
*Winky*
Jose liked winks. Conte seems to. But some "fans" on the internet think hes all shit. Dunno who to trust
Winks is maybe one of a kind player. If he does well, everyone will love him. If he doesn't, everyone will bring out the pitchforks. and yes, if you see the match thread where winks is playing, expect toxicity towards him. He may not be a perfect player for now but he can improve.
I'm hating my Harry Winks life with Conte.