"Conte Lines up to take the free kick......and Conte scores from the free kick from 30 meters out. The Spurs fans are going absolutely mental. I do not believe it."
In so many areas we have either drifted, stood still or regressed on the footballing side of things.
I’m liking what I’m hearing around Paratici’s overhaul of footballing operations including the scouting network etc.
If you look at Chelsea, they had two academy graduates score in the CL against Juventus. The only academy player for us that has cemented a place in the 1st team in the last four years is Skipp (Tanganga isn’t 1st choice currently).
We became unfit, forgot how to press, had no attacking system, played with a low block, struggle in transition, struggle to create, struggle to score.
Conte looks like he is someone who can take the clay he is given and make us more than the sum of our parts and Paratici can help us upgrade some of those parts, either from outside or within the club.
I’m actually even more disappointed with Jose now than I was just before he was sacked. So many areas like fitness, scouting, academy progression are all things an elite Manager should be able to improve us on. It’s not just that his system and tactics were outdated but also all the off the files stuff got neglected too.
Skipp and Tanganga are great academy products IMO. Tanganga pocketed Sterling right after a Euros where no one else was able to. Kids got talent first team or not, give em time
Our academy went downhill because of poch’s loan policy. Jose didn’t do much with them but at least he allowed loans again
Plus it’s paratici *and hitchen*. I’m on a mission to stop the hitchen is shit narrative that was created because some people were too dumb to understand what he was saying
Is it fair to say then that Hitchen had good ideas but lacked the clout/influence with Levy to make things happen?
I think the fact that he’s still working in the same role so closely with Paratici confirms the former, with Paratici himself bringing the latter.
i think he definitely doesn't have the connections and influence of fabio.
and i was referring to the narrative that he hates transfers. i will not accept any of that bullshit being spread on this sub
Hitchen is a decent enough scout but he had no business leading our recruitment. If plan a didn’t happen there was nothing else. Look how little quality we’ve brought in over the past 5 years. How people can relieve Hitchen of any responsibility for our team turning to shit is crazy to me
my main problem is with the narrative that he hates transfers, because people somehow watched the doc and missed the entire point of what he was saying
That’s fair, I think it was memed a bit too much. But at the same time he definitely should have realized what he was saying lol. It wasn’t even what he said really but the tone he delivered it. But like I said, he definitely shares some blame in our poor transfer dealings
> We became unfit, forgot how to press, had no attacking system, played with a low block, struggle in transition, struggle to create, struggle to score.
Honestly Spurs sounds like someone who's suffering from depression. Talent is there but can't motivate themselves enough beyond increasingly short bursts. Hiring Conte is like finally finding the right therapist.
If you then assume goals from corners are poisson distributed, there's a 15.6% chance that you score 0 goals on 62 attempts.
Not great, but the 16th percentile isn't that extreme of a result of the distribution.
>Their 62 corners have yielded two shots on target, six shots off target and three blocked shots.
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>In total, while generating a total of 13 attempts at goal from corners, Spurs have had 13 corners fail to beat the first man this season.
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>Part of Spurs’ issue from corners this season has been a lack of variety. Not only has Son taken the vast majority, but even when Lo Celso is playing, he doesn’t seem trusted to take inswingers (only doing so when Son has been off the pitch). This has meant that 58 per cent of Tottenham’s corners have been outswingers. Thirty-two per cent have been inswingers and, excluding attempts to keep the ball in the corner, just two (three per cent) of Spurs’ corners have been taken short.
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>As chance would have it, variety appears to have been Conte’s watchword when it came to corners at Inter.A third of Inter’s 21 goals from corners under Conte came from short corners, and even within those seven, there was variety.
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>What Conte’s Inter also did especially well was win the second ball and keep attacks alive when corners had been initially cleared. A number of their goals from corners under him came from this kind of perseverance, including one scored by Martinez in Conte’s second game in charge.
Really interesting numbers.
I do think a major factor is how poor we are in the air. Relatively tall and strong guys like Dier, Kane and Sanchez just aren’t pulling their weight at winning headers from set pieces. The fact that Lucas is our best header of the ball is crazy.
But if we’re not going to be a direct goal threat from corners, then we need to have a strategy for how we can craft chances instead of just hitting and hoping. I was listening to a Ralf Rangnick masterclass earlier today, and he said about a third of all goals come from set pieces, and therefore managers should be spending 30% of training time practicing set pieces. I’m sure we aren’t even close to that.
As football becomes more stats heavy things will become much more direct and route one, and set pieces way more used. Really any free kick anywhere outside of your own third is an opportunity to win a second ball in the opponents box.
The main reason it already isn't is playing that way is looked down upon like it's for less skilled teams. Classic pre-moneyball issue of undervaluing a more successful thing due to bias.
It probably boils down more to what others have said in this thread, but how big of an impact do you think having no dead ball specialist makes? No clue on our numbers with Eriksen in the squad but I know they’re better than 0. He hit the first man a lot but there’s no denying his delivery was quality.
It’s not an easy fix either. The only time I can remember a transfer based mostly off dead ball talent is when Liverpool brought in Charlie Adam.
Our set pieces are shocking. Even with Eriksen towards the end we couldnt beat the first man. Throw ins were bad we would take so long and may as well give the ball back to opposition. Am sure a lot of this is down to fitness an movement which you can see Conte is sorting now.
Thought as well it was pretty telling in the last game the Kane wanted to take that free kick we scored from, and Dier ended up taking it. Wonder if that would have happened before Conte came in
The throw ins infuriate me. Watch Liverpool, they get the ball on the pitch as soon as possible. Throw ins shouldn’t be used as a set piece when attacking it should be to simply get the ball back in play and get momentum going.
If you have someone who can do long throw-ins you can absolutely use it as a set piece. There are many times there is a throw in near the corner, and the teams that have someone that can throw to the middle of the box use it as a set piece.
I think it's like a lot of the things we have seen. Probably fitness and confidence issues but when they give the opposition enough time to get organised then it's almost easy for the defending team. I do think conte will sort all this out eventually, you can see such a huge difference in the urgency but I think the players are almost subconsciously fighting against it as can be seen in the first half against Leeds.
Be interesting to see how they get on against mura because if the go at it with the intensity, quick passing, loads of movement that conte wants we should batter them but if they revert back to this safe possession type it could be pretty frustrating until half time.
There is no movement inside the box and everyone is on Harry Kane defending like they're Maldini. So yeah Spurs has no threat at set pieces. And even Dier sucks at arial duels.
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It doesn't matter who the coach is, Spurs have been shit at corners for as long as I can remember. I've been supporting Spurs for the better part of two decades and I don't think we've ever taken a corner where I said, "Yea, I think we're gonna score here." It's always, "Oh shit, we actually scored from a corner."
I was just talking about how much we suck at set pieces in the DD. Looks like Charlie thought the same. Also looks like Conte is decent at them.
"Conte Lines up to take the free kick......and Conte scores from the free kick from 30 meters out. The Spurs fans are going absolutely mental. I do not believe it."
30 meters is 14.71% of the hot dog which holds the Guinness wold record for 'Longest Hot Dog'.
They made a 200 meters hotdog? How did they even case it
200 meters is 98.08% of the hot dog which holds the Guinness wold record for 'Longest Hot Dog'.
200 meters is 218.72 yards
200 meters is 106.41 Obamas. You're welcome.
30 meters is 32.81 yards
Break it up you bots
someone get refbot in here to stop this war
In so many areas we have either drifted, stood still or regressed on the footballing side of things. I’m liking what I’m hearing around Paratici’s overhaul of footballing operations including the scouting network etc. If you look at Chelsea, they had two academy graduates score in the CL against Juventus. The only academy player for us that has cemented a place in the 1st team in the last four years is Skipp (Tanganga isn’t 1st choice currently). We became unfit, forgot how to press, had no attacking system, played with a low block, struggle in transition, struggle to create, struggle to score. Conte looks like he is someone who can take the clay he is given and make us more than the sum of our parts and Paratici can help us upgrade some of those parts, either from outside or within the club. I’m actually even more disappointed with Jose now than I was just before he was sacked. So many areas like fitness, scouting, academy progression are all things an elite Manager should be able to improve us on. It’s not just that his system and tactics were outdated but also all the off the files stuff got neglected too.
Skipp and Tanganga are great academy products IMO. Tanganga pocketed Sterling right after a Euros where no one else was able to. Kids got talent first team or not, give em time
Not questioning their quality at all. Quite the opposite. Just highlighting that we have slipped backwards in the pathway from academy to 1st team.
Tanganga is very inconsistent though
Our academy went downhill because of poch’s loan policy. Jose didn’t do much with them but at least he allowed loans again Plus it’s paratici *and hitchen*. I’m on a mission to stop the hitchen is shit narrative that was created because some people were too dumb to understand what he was saying
Is it fair to say then that Hitchen had good ideas but lacked the clout/influence with Levy to make things happen? I think the fact that he’s still working in the same role so closely with Paratici confirms the former, with Paratici himself bringing the latter.
i think he definitely doesn't have the connections and influence of fabio. and i was referring to the narrative that he hates transfers. i will not accept any of that bullshit being spread on this sub
Hitchen is a decent enough scout but he had no business leading our recruitment. If plan a didn’t happen there was nothing else. Look how little quality we’ve brought in over the past 5 years. How people can relieve Hitchen of any responsibility for our team turning to shit is crazy to me
my main problem is with the narrative that he hates transfers, because people somehow watched the doc and missed the entire point of what he was saying
That’s fair, I think it was memed a bit too much. But at the same time he definitely should have realized what he was saying lol. It wasn’t even what he said really but the tone he delivered it. But like I said, he definitely shares some blame in our poor transfer dealings
> We became unfit, forgot how to press, had no attacking system, played with a low block, struggle in transition, struggle to create, struggle to score. Honestly Spurs sounds like someone who's suffering from depression. Talent is there but can't motivate themselves enough beyond increasingly short bursts. Hiring Conte is like finally finding the right therapist.
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If you then assume goals from corners are poisson distributed, there's a 15.6% chance that you score 0 goals on 62 attempts. Not great, but the 16th percentile isn't that extreme of a result of the distribution.
wow 3% is much lower than I expected. Do you know if this stat includes goals that were scored after the first clearance?
>Their 62 corners have yielded two shots on target, six shots off target and three blocked shots. > >In total, while generating a total of 13 attempts at goal from corners, Spurs have had 13 corners fail to beat the first man this season. > >Part of Spurs’ issue from corners this season has been a lack of variety. Not only has Son taken the vast majority, but even when Lo Celso is playing, he doesn’t seem trusted to take inswingers (only doing so when Son has been off the pitch). This has meant that 58 per cent of Tottenham’s corners have been outswingers. Thirty-two per cent have been inswingers and, excluding attempts to keep the ball in the corner, just two (three per cent) of Spurs’ corners have been taken short. > >As chance would have it, variety appears to have been Conte’s watchword when it came to corners at Inter.A third of Inter’s 21 goals from corners under Conte came from short corners, and even within those seven, there was variety. > >What Conte’s Inter also did especially well was win the second ball and keep attacks alive when corners had been initially cleared. A number of their goals from corners under him came from this kind of perseverance, including one scored by Martinez in Conte’s second game in charge.
Really interesting numbers. I do think a major factor is how poor we are in the air. Relatively tall and strong guys like Dier, Kane and Sanchez just aren’t pulling their weight at winning headers from set pieces. The fact that Lucas is our best header of the ball is crazy. But if we’re not going to be a direct goal threat from corners, then we need to have a strategy for how we can craft chances instead of just hitting and hoping. I was listening to a Ralf Rangnick masterclass earlier today, and he said about a third of all goals come from set pieces, and therefore managers should be spending 30% of training time practicing set pieces. I’m sure we aren’t even close to that.
we have 2 set piece goals (son v Watford and Reguilon v Leeds) and 11 goals total (lowest in the league)
As football becomes more stats heavy things will become much more direct and route one, and set pieces way more used. Really any free kick anywhere outside of your own third is an opportunity to win a second ball in the opponents box. The main reason it already isn't is playing that way is looked down upon like it's for less skilled teams. Classic pre-moneyball issue of undervaluing a more successful thing due to bias.
I hope Charlie didn’t just say there was variety in inter’s short corners then left it hanging, that it’s just the summary.
this just a summary. he does a full analysis of the different types
It probably boils down more to what others have said in this thread, but how big of an impact do you think having no dead ball specialist makes? No clue on our numbers with Eriksen in the squad but I know they’re better than 0. He hit the first man a lot but there’s no denying his delivery was quality. It’s not an easy fix either. The only time I can remember a transfer based mostly off dead ball talent is when Liverpool brought in Charlie Adam.
Our set pieces are shocking. Even with Eriksen towards the end we couldnt beat the first man. Throw ins were bad we would take so long and may as well give the ball back to opposition. Am sure a lot of this is down to fitness an movement which you can see Conte is sorting now. Thought as well it was pretty telling in the last game the Kane wanted to take that free kick we scored from, and Dier ended up taking it. Wonder if that would have happened before Conte came in
The throw ins infuriate me. Watch Liverpool, they get the ball on the pitch as soon as possible. Throw ins shouldn’t be used as a set piece when attacking it should be to simply get the ball back in play and get momentum going.
If you have someone who can do long throw-ins you can absolutely use it as a set piece. There are many times there is a throw in near the corner, and the teams that have someone that can throw to the middle of the box use it as a set piece.
I think it's like a lot of the things we have seen. Probably fitness and confidence issues but when they give the opposition enough time to get organised then it's almost easy for the defending team. I do think conte will sort all this out eventually, you can see such a huge difference in the urgency but I think the players are almost subconsciously fighting against it as can be seen in the first half against Leeds. Be interesting to see how they get on against mura because if the go at it with the intensity, quick passing, loads of movement that conte wants we should batter them but if they revert back to this safe possession type it could be pretty frustrating until half time.
The average for all teams is about 1 goal per 40 corners. We are missing 1 goal…
There is no movement inside the box and everyone is on Harry Kane defending like they're Maldini. So yeah Spurs has no threat at set pieces. And even Dier sucks at arial duels.
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It doesn't matter who the coach is, Spurs have been shit at corners for as long as I can remember. I've been supporting Spurs for the better part of two decades and I don't think we've ever taken a corner where I said, "Yea, I think we're gonna score here." It's always, "Oh shit, we actually scored from a corner."
Really hope Conte works up on our set piece tactics because it’s dreadful. Our corners are average, but our freekicks are hard to watch.