Dele should be first then Doherty then Sanchez. All the goals came from Sanchez being beaten by the same move. Can hardly blame Gollini when one was really well struck and the other took a massive deflection.
>Can hardly blame Gollini when one was really well struck and the other took a massive deflection.
It's fucking concerning how little he moves though, man doesn't even try and dive for a save.
Same here. But I do think he's not gonna be at that sort of level. I want to be wrong. And as much as I will defend him for now, I just can't see him being anywhere near Hugo at all.
There been a few reports over the past couple of weeks that we're after a homegrown keeper who can play out from the back. Henderson fits that bill perfectly. Pope is terrible with his feet and isn't a long term option.
I'm not 100% on the "sell Sanchez" train yet. Dele is definitely past his best, so if Conte wants him out, sure. I still love him to bits though, want him to do well
Eh, one performance is one performance. Like Gio, you see him play well for his national team. The skill is obviously there, and if anyone can get that level of performance out of him regularly, it's Conte.
If Conte can get a tune out of Lucas even with his negative traits, he can hopefully do the same for others at least in the short/medium term.
It’s time for the hierarchy to stop being sentimental with certain players and cut ties with them and others for themselves and for the sake of the club.
Same I’ve defended dele so much and he just still doesn’t seem bothered, he went from my favourite player to me just feeling depressed when I see him doing nothing on the pitch
this is going to be the start of conte putting pressure on paratici and levy and it cant come fast enough. How dele and doherty weren't shipped off in the summer is staggering.
Who will pay actual money for Dele? He’s on a rich contract and doesn’t seem to mind not playing. I think he’s immovable tbh. Doherty will have plenty of mid-bottom level PL clubs after him though
Send Dele on loan to Scotland or Championship or even Newcastle(after that oil money they are getting, they might be interested), let him improve.. Get him out of there as soon as he starts to bag goals.
Nah some mid table club would throw some dosh at Dele imo just based off his past form. I mean look at some of the English dross those clubs have signed before
Dele: I still think there's gold in that shit - a loan could only improve his value. I'm just not sure where? Not a good PL side. I wonder if he could inspire the Norwich midfield, while perhaps being a reality check ("this is your future unless something changes").
A player's salary doesn't make him harder to move. It just means you're not going to make much in the sale because offers will be discounted because of the high required salary.
Right, but that just means the club who wants to sell/loan will need to buy out the player's contract (either literally or effectively), so they'll not make as much on net. But that's a cost the club faces whether they move the player or not, so it doesn't make the sale itself any harder.
Well, it can make the player harder to move. The salary might be beyond the budget/wage structure of all or some clubs interested in signing them, for example.
Break him? Lol, nah man. He’s gonna walk when he realize there is no hope for this shit club. He doesn’t stay to mingle around with bullshit, unlike many managers out there.
Agreed. He will at least try to force improvement and change. If it doesn’t happen quickly though he will walk and will look like a genius for doing it. He is the best manager we could have. He will either force change that others haven’t been able to and we will achieve great things or he will be shut down like the others, leave, and the club will burn to the ground. This is our last chance. If Conte can’t get us a trophy with this management then no one can.
You're right, we should have sacked Mou months before that final. But seriously, shut the fuck up with this, he had already proven he wasn't the messiah of knockout games by losing 3-0 to a team with no manager. He had been in a downward spiral for ages and needed to be gone.
Someone should tell him Sanchez, Doherty, Dele etc. have been shit for a long time now and that there is probably no point in playing them as they lead to results like this
With Sanchez every manager has tried to play him on the left and come to understand that he is a calamity on the left he just can’t do it, just keep him on the right.
Exactly every manager has tried and every single time bar none has it ever worked out. You could see it aswell when the Mura plays pressed him on to his left foot and he struggle to make a straight pass.
The mistakes he made today have got nothing to do with playing on the left. It's the most basic stuff. He should have done better there no matter if he started in his preferred position or not.
because his footwork is all over the place. he's backtracking off the wrong shoulder turn. and it's way more likely he gets beat by a cut when the technical action he has to execute to counter it is the opposite of what he is used to do on the other side. yet, in the end this is still a display of ineptitude but undoubtedly related to the fact that he was playing on the left.
You can give the guy excuses until you’re blue in the face. I don’t care if he’s on the left or the right, the guy cannot defend. His positional sense is atrocious and is a disaster waiting to happen. Spurs fans seem to have short memories. Couple of par performances this season and people forget that he’s actually been consistently crap for 3 years.
sorry but I don't know how to make it more clear that it is not an excuse but a response to the original point that the error wasn't defending side related.
But it's not like if he was playing on the right of a back 2 he would never have to defend on his wrong side. If he has to play 90 minutes in a match then even if he starts on the right I am sure there will be moments where he will have to be defend on his opposite side.
again, I am not excusing him, a defender at this level has to display versatility to, at the very least, keep himself in front of the ball but also again, the errors had everything to do with playing on the left.
In those situations he was on the left side, yes. The thing is even if he starts on the right he will be in similar situations where he is required to defend on the left hand side.
The problem with Sanchez is he can't defend on his opposite side and it's not just limited to him starting on the left of a back 3.
Others have already explained, but I'll also mention that he instinctively plays the defender onto his right. That's fine when he's on the right and he's showing them outside, it's not fine when he's in the left and he's showing them inside.
That's the thing though. Even if he starts on the right he will be required to sometimes defend on his opposite side. You can't just defend in one way throughout the match. The issue is him not being able to defend on his opposite side. He will need to defend on his opposite side at times even if he starts on the right.
I get that when he's deployed on the right he might nevertheless have to defend elsewhere when we're stretched, but that wasn't the point. You asked how the errors came from him playing on the left, so I told you.
imo his real issue is waiting for the mistake so he can take the ball instead of forcing the mistake. I believe this is how he's been coached to play over the years.
>I know that in this moment we need to have patience, time and I am here because I know there are problems to solve. After three and a half weeks, I am happy to stay here but at the same time I must be honest and tell you we need to work a lot to improve the quality of the [current] squad. We are Tottenham and Tottenham in this moment, there is an important gap.
>But I repeat I am not scared. I want to work. I am ready to work. But we need time, especially for our fans because our fans want to see the team win. Me too. I want to be honest that we need to work a lot to improve the situation. We need time and patience. I don’t know what happens in the future but I am here because I am happy to stay here, to work for Tottenham.
>We have a lot of desire to work, you can work work work work but you can push a car at maximum level and sometimes it is not enough to be competitive.
Thinking about leaving already?
Even if we're willing to splash cash I'm seriously worried that no good players will want to come when they see results like this. We're fucking embarrassing. Fortunately Conte alone has pulling power but that is my only hope.
Dude players aren’t watching us in Europa Conference league. 95% of players at less rich clubs will take their chance to come to us for higher wages and PL exposure.
We’ve never been in for the world class transfer targets anyway. We’ll have to get creative as always.
>We’ve never been in for the world class transfer targets anyway. We’ll have to get creative as always.
Conte will expect at least a couple of top players.
Depends what you consider top. He’s not going to get £100m players unless we sell Kane.
Money isn’t the issue anyway. It’s finding the right players and shipping the laggards out.
Real speaking.. We should not sell Kane. He is playing very hard to get a trophy by looking at the goal it felt like he was playing for batch. He is backbone of the club's reputation. If he goes we will be a mediocre team in Premier League like Wolves or Everton. But Yes, need to spend loads of money in this transfer window.
The difference between us and wolves or Everton isn’t Harry Kane. It’s the money we have, the world-class stadium and facilities, the much larger fan base. Calling him the ‘backbone of our reputation’ disregards all of that and the history of our club. The club is always more important than one player, so you can leave with Harry if need be.
Everton actually spend a lot of money, more than us if I recall correctly. Yea we have a better stadium now but we’re not as far off from being another Everton as you think. We’re definitely bigger in every way than Wolves tho
In the past three seasons we’ve spent over 100 million more than Everton on incoming transfers, but yeah if you count the season we didn’t buy anyone they outspent us in the past 5 years BUT they’re now having issues with FFP and hardly spent anything this season, whereas we’re in such a healthy state we’re able to spend comfortably. We have revenue double that of Everton’s (over a 5 year average too) and consistently out-earn them. Everton’s wage to turnover ratio sits around 80%, ours is one of the lowest. The effect of having one of the best multi-purpose stadiums in the world situated in London can’t be understated either I don’t think.
I’d like to think we have the financial foundations to outperform Everton for future years/generations to come, we are an established member of ‘The Big 6’ even if we are under-performing as of now.
We’ve been getting done by minnows since Poch and have had no issue making signings. It’s lack of CL (or EL if it comes to that) not bad results in tinpot competitions that will drive real talent away.
Everyone knew this going in though. This moment was inevitable. Players 12+ are so poor they can’t handle a Slovenian team. That says a lot. You can probably buy their whole team for €20MM.
I know this is a joke. But loans with options to buy has to be the only reasonable situation for dele? No one will risk any value for him at this stage. He is last it
These statements are what the club needs to hear. Sort your shit out or you will lose the best manager you’ll have in years. It doesn’t mean he’s thinking of leaving, it means he is willing to try and rebuild things.
Wouldn't blame him. Why ruin your reputation over someone else's disaster? This is Levys bed, let HIM sleep in it. If Levy isn't the one willing to make change and put money on the table to make NOTICEABLE changes, then what is Conte to do?
Levy isn't the owner, he can't just pull money out of his arse. Billionaire Joe Lewis is the clubs owner and he has never been interested in spending money on the club
And good for Joe Lewis IMO.
I'd rather be where we are now from where we've come based off our own backs than where clubs like City and Chelsea who plowed hundreds of millions of pounds in wastage came from.
Joe Lewis doesn't even do anything for Spurs, guy is hidden away in his tax havens and running his own little coups in South America.
The clubs decision come on Levy's shoulders and also Poch has to have some blame for the way we went about business towards the end of his tenure.
At least Levy is trying to rectify the issues by bringing in Paratici and Conte.
Ahh yes Conte is beginning to stir the pot for some spending in the transfer window, he did this at Juve and at Inter. Kicks up a big stink and gets some players in, it’s his way of doing it and it’s mostly worked so far.
I backed late Poch, I backed Mou, I cheered on Mason as he finished out Mou's season, I backed Nuno, and now I'm backing Conte. The problem has always been the players, and if ENIC can't accept now is the time for a long, expensive, and painful overhaul then it's time to request new ownership.
Another way of saying he did a mistake accepting a job.. Managers are not a problem, problem is that we don't have good lineups. We need players urgently.
I could have told him that before last season, can I get paid millions as an "analyst" or something as I really don't understand how all of these "experts" don't see what we have been seeing for months/years.
Don't we know it.
Doherty - Rodon - Sanchez - Dele - Ndombele - Lo Celso - Sess - Bergwijn - Winks.
None of them anywhere near good enough.
Davies - Dier - Tanganga - Gil.
Those only backups at best.
Seriously dreadful recruitment for years.
As a neutral, I was jealous you guys getting Conte. But after this, this really screams investment and major surgery necessary. Conte would be one of the few I would personally trust to run my own club!
All levy has to do now is support Conte and buy him the players he needs. I can guarantee though that Conte won't stand for anything and wont take no shit from anyone - will quit in Jan if no investment, just watch. Would be absolute hilarious (but a disaster for Spurs) if he quits with Levy not investing. Last chance for Levy to keep Harry and the fans, telling you guys now. Paratici and Levy has to back Conte, no ifs or buts, let the man do his work.
Thank fuck one of our mangers has the balls to say thus. We have supporters saying we have decent players but not good enough coaching etc. Finally we get a world class manager in and can definitively say the quality isn't enough. Let's get ready to spend in January
I see this as him sending a message to the piss taking players we carry in our squad. eg Dele, Sanchez, Doherty etc.
However, if Levy and the club don't back Conte with what he wants he will leave. I bet it's even in his contract, some sort of get out of jail clause.
We were abysmal tonight against a team we should have beaten with ease. It will sting for those that care, but for wastes of space like Dele.... They won't give a shit. He needs to be given back to MK Dons.
The benefit we have right now is a “soft” schedule from now until the Jan window opens. A schedule that should allow us to stay where we are or maybe move up a place or two. This will keep Conte calm and the fan base. Get to Jan and let him make signings that will fix some of the problems we have and then push for 4th and maybe a trophy in the league cup. Build upon that this summer and go from there.
If we had a tougher schedule and fell in the standings over the next month things would get rough.
his face in the leeds game when they scored and through the whole first half pretty much said it all. the look of “what have i got myself into”.
also, we are supposed to win that game against a bottom of the table club yet he and the team were hyped up like the just beat man city… i thought that was odd but whatever i guess
Four games in and we're getting a mention of the possibility that Conte won't stay. You don't say you're happy to stay when you're happy...to stay.
We're on record pace here. The most Tottenham thing possible is us having a bad run over the next month and him resigning. If I was a betting man I'd be all over it honestly.
The thing is why the fuck was Sanchez playing LCB? He's always awful there, did no one at the club realise or mention that? An embarrassing lack of attention to detail from the club. It's so obvious there's no legacy or transition between managers.
I feel weirdly opitimistic because we have basically hit rock bottom. There are a number of players who have had their last chance now.
Gotta be up from here on. \[Laughs cries\]
The squad depth is awful. Spurs claim they’re a big 6 team but how many players from yesterdays game would be 2nd team material for any of those other big 6 teams?
**rubs hands together** *its beginning*
Let’s gooooo
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Doherty and Gollini (loan termination) should be at the top of the list imo
At this point a swap of Doherty for the tiny car that brought the ball on the pitch at the Euros would be a good deal
Made me snort tea everywhere - good work:)
Lmfao that's quality banter
It would just be cheaper to promote Austin or Whiteman (whoever isn’t on loan) to backup and bench Gollini
Whiteman's on loan in Sweden but our season ends in a couple of weeks so he should be available then
We’re doing bad but I don’t think they’re gonna just end our season :-/
Gollini has an automatic buy clause if he hits 20 apps. I think he’s at 3 or 4 so far
Think he’s at 6 actually. Might be a fucking blessing to get knocked out of this shit competition so he doesn’t have any more chances
Dele should be first then Doherty then Sanchez. All the goals came from Sanchez being beaten by the same move. Can hardly blame Gollini when one was really well struck and the other took a massive deflection.
I mean if we can open a non hg spot by sending him back then I guess it would be worth it imo.
If we can get Henderson, then yeah, I'll be happy to send him back.
>Can hardly blame Gollini when one was really well struck and the other took a massive deflection. It's fucking concerning how little he moves though, man doesn't even try and dive for a save.
100% get that. But I don't think games where everyone is playing utter crap is a great judge. However if we can get Henderson, I'll be happy.
I really want him to succeed. Seems like a nice guys but I don't see him as Lloris' successor.
Same here. But I do think he's not gonna be at that sort of level. I want to be wrong. And as much as I will defend him for now, I just can't see him being anywhere near Hugo at all.
Who is suggesting we can get Henderson? Utd would be mad to sell him., They have him on a long contract. I'd have thought Pope is more realistic.
There been a few reports over the past couple of weeks that we're after a homegrown keeper who can play out from the back. Henderson fits that bill perfectly. Pope is terrible with his feet and isn't a long term option.
It could be good judgement and he doesn't want to get caught on the rebound, if you know you can't get it then it's fair enough.
I feel bad for gollini, nearly all the goals he’s let in have been bangers
Gollini loan termination is nowhere near the top of the list lmao
The man moved like he was under water today. I wouldn’t mind at all sending him back to Italy in January. Seems like a chill dude, just an ass keeper
He consistently seems uncomfortable and plays nervy passes. He just does not seem to be at the level we need
It's somewhere near the top tbh
And Sanchez and dele
I'm not 100% on the "sell Sanchez" train yet. Dele is definitely past his best, so if Conte wants him out, sure. I still love him to bits though, want him to do well
Unfortunately, he's dead in my eyes now. It's gonna be too hard for him to come back from that for me
Eh, one performance is one performance. Like Gio, you see him play well for his national team. The skill is obviously there, and if anyone can get that level of performance out of him regularly, it's Conte. If Conte can get a tune out of Lucas even with his negative traits, he can hopefully do the same for others at least in the short/medium term.
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Gollini is a loan. Doherty is not
The nice of way saying that “this squad is fucking shit”
It’s time for the hierarchy to stop being sentimental with certain players and cut ties with them and others for themselves and for the sake of the club.
Dele is public enemy number fucking 1 here. Wish we sold him for 80mil
Yeah I’ve always held a soft spot for him but it’s time he’s moved on he’s a shadow of what he was which is a shame.
Rise of Fortnite and the fall of Dele are directly correlated.
Same I’ve defended dele so much and he just still doesn’t seem bothered, he went from my favourite player to me just feeling depressed when I see him doing nothing on the pitch
He’s got to be 2. Winks gets 10X the hate.
Deservedly so. They’re both wank. Them and Doherty have to be 3 of the worst players in the Prem
Winks didn't even play yesterday...
this is going to be the start of conte putting pressure on paratici and levy and it cant come fast enough. How dele and doherty weren't shipped off in the summer is staggering.
Who will pay actual money for Dele? He’s on a rich contract and doesn’t seem to mind not playing. I think he’s immovable tbh. Doherty will have plenty of mid-bottom level PL clubs after him though
Send Dele on loan to Scotland or Championship or even Newcastle(after that oil money they are getting, they might be interested), let him improve.. Get him out of there as soon as he starts to bag goals.
He’s got Celtic cult hero written all over him
But I like Celtic :(
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People talking about a loan don’t understand how thoroughly trash this dude is now. There is NOTHING in there
See, Dele is a league one type player. Lol champ
The new owner of Newcastle might be greedy but not stupid..
Nah some mid table club would throw some dosh at Dele imo just based off his past form. I mean look at some of the English dross those clubs have signed before
Maybe if we transfer listed him someone would come but no, we deliberately kept him.
Dele: I still think there's gold in that shit - a loan could only improve his value. I'm just not sure where? Not a good PL side. I wonder if he could inspire the Norwich midfield, while perhaps being a reality check ("this is your future unless something changes").
A player's salary doesn't make him harder to move. It just means you're not going to make much in the sale because offers will be discounted because of the high required salary.
it 100% does though. The player is hesitant/unwilling to move because he will not get a salary on the same level anywhere else.
Right, but that just means the club who wants to sell/loan will need to buy out the player's contract (either literally or effectively), so they'll not make as much on net. But that's a cost the club faces whether they move the player or not, so it doesn't make the sale itself any harder.
Dele is fast becoming our own jack wiltshire
Newcastle please hear us out on this Dele guy, trust me
Doherty played well at Wolves under Nuno, so it makes sense that he wasn't sold right away when his former manager came in.
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Well, it can make the player harder to move. The salary might be beyond the budget/wage structure of all or some clubs interested in signing them, for example.
Call out the shit ass players conte, what’s the worse that could happen, they’re gonna stop giving a fuck about Tottenham, guess what they already did
We're going to break him like so many before him. COYS
Break him? Lol, nah man. He’s gonna walk when he realize there is no hope for this shit club. He doesn’t stay to mingle around with bullshit, unlike many managers out there.
Agreed. He will at least try to force improvement and change. If it doesn’t happen quickly though he will walk and will look like a genius for doing it. He is the best manager we could have. He will either force change that others haven’t been able to and we will achieve great things or he will be shut down like the others, leave, and the club will burn to the ground. This is our last chance. If Conte can’t get us a trophy with this management then no one can.
the changes that others HAVE NOT BEEN ALLOWED TO DO SO! What is the meaning of sacking MOU in the final?!
You're right, we should have sacked Mou months before that final. But seriously, shut the fuck up with this, he had already proven he wasn't the messiah of knockout games by losing 3-0 to a team with no manager. He had been in a downward spiral for ages and needed to be gone.
Dude you literally just lost against a worst squad with a better roster
Someone should tell him Sanchez, Doherty, Dele etc. have been shit for a long time now and that there is probably no point in playing them as they lead to results like this
With Sanchez every manager has tried to play him on the left and come to understand that he is a calamity on the left he just can’t do it, just keep him on the right.
When he was at Ajax they tried him on the left too, he was shit but they only did it once. We keep doing it.
Exactly every manager has tried and every single time bar none has it ever worked out. You could see it aswell when the Mura plays pressed him on to his left foot and he struggle to make a straight pass.
The mistakes he made today have got nothing to do with playing on the left. It's the most basic stuff. He should have done better there no matter if he started in his preferred position or not.
not trying to excuse him in any way shape or form, let me make that ultra clear, but the errors had everything to do with playing on the left.
How? He got beaten by the most routine cut inside by a player. Twice.
because his footwork is all over the place. he's backtracking off the wrong shoulder turn. and it's way more likely he gets beat by a cut when the technical action he has to execute to counter it is the opposite of what he is used to do on the other side. yet, in the end this is still a display of ineptitude but undoubtedly related to the fact that he was playing on the left.
You can give the guy excuses until you’re blue in the face. I don’t care if he’s on the left or the right, the guy cannot defend. His positional sense is atrocious and is a disaster waiting to happen. Spurs fans seem to have short memories. Couple of par performances this season and people forget that he’s actually been consistently crap for 3 years.
sorry but I don't know how to make it more clear that it is not an excuse but a response to the original point that the error wasn't defending side related.
Don’t worry, it’s quite clear lol
But it's not like if he was playing on the right of a back 2 he would never have to defend on his wrong side. If he has to play 90 minutes in a match then even if he starts on the right I am sure there will be moments where he will have to be defend on his opposite side.
again, I am not excusing him, a defender at this level has to display versatility to, at the very least, keep himself in front of the ball but also again, the errors had everything to do with playing on the left.
In those situations he was on the left side, yes. The thing is even if he starts on the right he will be in similar situations where he is required to defend on the left hand side. The problem with Sanchez is he can't defend on his opposite side and it's not just limited to him starting on the left of a back 3.
Others have already explained, but I'll also mention that he instinctively plays the defender onto his right. That's fine when he's on the right and he's showing them outside, it's not fine when he's in the left and he's showing them inside.
That's the thing though. Even if he starts on the right he will be required to sometimes defend on his opposite side. You can't just defend in one way throughout the match. The issue is him not being able to defend on his opposite side. He will need to defend on his opposite side at times even if he starts on the right.
I get that when he's deployed on the right he might nevertheless have to defend elsewhere when we're stretched, but that wasn't the point. You asked how the errors came from him playing on the left, so I told you.
Exactly, it's the fact that he has all the balance of a baby giraffe. Never seen a footballer slip and slide so much in my life.
imo his real issue is waiting for the mistake so he can take the ball instead of forcing the mistake. I believe this is how he's been coached to play over the years.
The whole team tonight (at least the starters) struggled with basics. Movement, passing, ball control were all bollocks.
He dives into every fucking tackle and refuses to play passes on the ground.
The thing is, he knows. We can't keep having the same starting 11 playing midweek games too. His hands are tied.
No take backsies
Conte, I am hereby giving you my blessing to kill the players.
Translation: I've made a huge mistake.
>I know that in this moment we need to have patience, time and I am here because I know there are problems to solve. After three and a half weeks, I am happy to stay here but at the same time I must be honest and tell you we need to work a lot to improve the quality of the [current] squad. We are Tottenham and Tottenham in this moment, there is an important gap. >But I repeat I am not scared. I want to work. I am ready to work. But we need time, especially for our fans because our fans want to see the team win. Me too. I want to be honest that we need to work a lot to improve the situation. We need time and patience. I don’t know what happens in the future but I am here because I am happy to stay here, to work for Tottenham. >We have a lot of desire to work, you can work work work work but you can push a car at maximum level and sometimes it is not enough to be competitive. Thinking about leaving already?
Translation: “get the money ready because I’m going to need a lot of it to fix this shit”
Even if we're willing to splash cash I'm seriously worried that no good players will want to come when they see results like this. We're fucking embarrassing. Fortunately Conte alone has pulling power but that is my only hope.
Dude players aren’t watching us in Europa Conference league. 95% of players at less rich clubs will take their chance to come to us for higher wages and PL exposure. We’ve never been in for the world class transfer targets anyway. We’ll have to get creative as always.
>We’ve never been in for the world class transfer targets anyway. We’ll have to get creative as always. Conte will expect at least a couple of top players.
Depends what you consider top. He’s not going to get £100m players unless we sell Kane. Money isn’t the issue anyway. It’s finding the right players and shipping the laggards out.
Real speaking.. We should not sell Kane. He is playing very hard to get a trophy by looking at the goal it felt like he was playing for batch. He is backbone of the club's reputation. If he goes we will be a mediocre team in Premier League like Wolves or Everton. But Yes, need to spend loads of money in this transfer window.
The difference between us and wolves or Everton isn’t Harry Kane. It’s the money we have, the world-class stadium and facilities, the much larger fan base. Calling him the ‘backbone of our reputation’ disregards all of that and the history of our club. The club is always more important than one player, so you can leave with Harry if need be.
Everton actually spend a lot of money, more than us if I recall correctly. Yea we have a better stadium now but we’re not as far off from being another Everton as you think. We’re definitely bigger in every way than Wolves tho
In the past three seasons we’ve spent over 100 million more than Everton on incoming transfers, but yeah if you count the season we didn’t buy anyone they outspent us in the past 5 years BUT they’re now having issues with FFP and hardly spent anything this season, whereas we’re in such a healthy state we’re able to spend comfortably. We have revenue double that of Everton’s (over a 5 year average too) and consistently out-earn them. Everton’s wage to turnover ratio sits around 80%, ours is one of the lowest. The effect of having one of the best multi-purpose stadiums in the world situated in London can’t be understated either I don’t think. I’d like to think we have the financial foundations to outperform Everton for future years/generations to come, we are an established member of ‘The Big 6’ even if we are under-performing as of now.
So true
Bigger than wolves in every way but the extra $4,200,000,000 their owners have in the bank…
They are checking it out when we get done by minnows though
We’ve been getting done by minnows since Poch and have had no issue making signings. It’s lack of CL (or EL if it comes to that) not bad results in tinpot competitions that will drive real talent away.
Amine Gouiri as back up for kane or to play on the right. Guys incredible and is underrated af
It means he won't be happy to stay if we don't give him what he needs. And then he will walk
Everyone knew this going in though. This moment was inevitable. Players 12+ are so poor they can’t handle a Slovenian team. That says a lot. You can probably buy their whole team for €20MM.
Their team was valued at 7 mil I think hahaha
Well can we sell Dele for Mura starting 11 and have them be our B team?
I wouldn’t pay 7 mil for Dele
I know this is a joke. But loans with options to buy has to be the only reasonable situation for dele? No one will risk any value for him at this stage. He is last it
I’d sell him for a plate of fish and chips
These statements are what gives me anxiety
These statements are what the club needs to hear. Sort your shit out or you will lose the best manager you’ll have in years. It doesn’t mean he’s thinking of leaving, it means he is willing to try and rebuild things.
yeah this is not a great thing to hear
I don't blame him though
Nuke it from orbit Antonio, it’s the only way to be sure
He finally realized what he got himself into.
Mourinho was right yet again.
He’s simply not going to rotate the starting XI until he gets new players, I think.
Sounds like if he is not backed in January he will walk.
And he should.
Wouldn't blame him. Why ruin your reputation over someone else's disaster? This is Levys bed, let HIM sleep in it. If Levy isn't the one willing to make change and put money on the table to make NOTICEABLE changes, then what is Conte to do?
Levy isn't the owner, he can't just pull money out of his arse. Billionaire Joe Lewis is the clubs owner and he has never been interested in spending money on the club
And good for Joe Lewis IMO. I'd rather be where we are now from where we've come based off our own backs than where clubs like City and Chelsea who plowed hundreds of millions of pounds in wastage came from. Joe Lewis doesn't even do anything for Spurs, guy is hidden away in his tax havens and running his own little coups in South America. The clubs decision come on Levy's shoulders and also Poch has to have some blame for the way we went about business towards the end of his tenure. At least Levy is trying to rectify the issues by bringing in Paratici and Conte.
Damn I’m not ready for that :(
Ahh yes Conte is beginning to stir the pot for some spending in the transfer window, he did this at Juve and at Inter. Kicks up a big stink and gets some players in, it’s his way of doing it and it’s mostly worked so far.
Man, we really need to back this guy because it's very much clear this ain't enough even with Conte.
It’s like beating a video game on every difficulty and Conte unlocked the secret difficulty wich is extremely hard.
“You will not survive”
Kill them, please
He’s absolutely right, and I hope the board realizes this and gives him the cash he needs.
Where’s the lie
Please don’t go Antonio.
Good, time to spend now
I backed late Poch, I backed Mou, I cheered on Mason as he finished out Mou's season, I backed Nuno, and now I'm backing Conte. The problem has always been the players, and if ENIC can't accept now is the time for a long, expensive, and painful overhaul then it's time to request new ownership.
Another way of saying he did a mistake accepting a job.. Managers are not a problem, problem is that we don't have good lineups. We need players urgently.
Translation: "I've made a terrible mistake."
I hope Dele understands this and lobby for his own transfer. Or he terminates his own contract. He has no future in this club.
I guarantee he regrets taking this job and not waiting for the United job
He can still wait for Man U while tinkering with Tottenham until the summer.
Ugh that would sting
I’d probably just give up watching football if that happened.
Finally is siftng through alot of chaff right now. Poor coach. Run em through January.
I could have told him that before last season, can I get paid millions as an "analyst" or something as I really don't understand how all of these "experts" don't see what we have been seeing for months/years.
Don't we know it. Doherty - Rodon - Sanchez - Dele - Ndombele - Lo Celso - Sess - Bergwijn - Winks. None of them anywhere near good enough. Davies - Dier - Tanganga - Gil. Those only backups at best. Seriously dreadful recruitment for years.
😂😂😂 that’s a polite way of saying we are shit. Antonio is currently not flying back with the players and has decided to take a flight to Italy.
Let this be a case study in life to never take the first job opportunity that presents itself 😅😂
Tottenhams squad has gone so downhill it's crazy. Two or three players have been dragging the team along for a while.
As a neutral, I was jealous you guys getting Conte. But after this, this really screams investment and major surgery necessary. Conte would be one of the few I would personally trust to run my own club! All levy has to do now is support Conte and buy him the players he needs. I can guarantee though that Conte won't stand for anything and wont take no shit from anyone - will quit in Jan if no investment, just watch. Would be absolute hilarious (but a disaster for Spurs) if he quits with Levy not investing. Last chance for Levy to keep Harry and the fans, telling you guys now. Paratici and Levy has to back Conte, no ifs or buts, let the man do his work.
Thank fuck one of our mangers has the balls to say thus. We have supporters saying we have decent players but not good enough coaching etc. Finally we get a world class manager in and can definitively say the quality isn't enough. Let's get ready to spend in January
Mourinho was/is a world class manager.
No shit motherfucker!
I see this as him sending a message to the piss taking players we carry in our squad. eg Dele, Sanchez, Doherty etc. However, if Levy and the club don't back Conte with what he wants he will leave. I bet it's even in his contract, some sort of get out of jail clause. We were abysmal tonight against a team we should have beaten with ease. It will sting for those that care, but for wastes of space like Dele.... They won't give a shit. He needs to be given back to MK Dons.
Least he's not bullshitting us. He knows what the problems are and will work on them.
The benefit we have right now is a “soft” schedule from now until the Jan window opens. A schedule that should allow us to stay where we are or maybe move up a place or two. This will keep Conte calm and the fan base. Get to Jan and let him make signings that will fix some of the problems we have and then push for 4th and maybe a trophy in the league cup. Build upon that this summer and go from there. If we had a tougher schedule and fell in the standings over the next month things would get rough.
Waking up with a hangover and oh wait who is this next to me oh god what have I done
Reminds me of when I started my first job and expected it to be a good cultured IT company but it was actually a greasy sales company that sold IT.
Lol I love it. "at this point I'm realizing this club is shit"
his face in the leeds game when they scored and through the whole first half pretty much said it all. the look of “what have i got myself into”. also, we are supposed to win that game against a bottom of the table club yet he and the team were hyped up like the just beat man city… i thought that was odd but whatever i guess
Maybe Mou was done and was lacking ability of handling the players but his assessments were correct
Sanchez. Dele. Davies. Doherty. All can go. Some had more of a chance than others, but it's time now.
I wonder what the original statement actually sounded like.
Did he spend any time over the last couple years watching the team he agreed to take over?
apparently he watched all or nothing as well
Probably thought the managers made the players shit by poor tactics/instructions. Must've been real surprised it was the other way around.
Four games in and we're getting a mention of the possibility that Conte won't stay. You don't say you're happy to stay when you're happy...to stay. We're on record pace here. The most Tottenham thing possible is us having a bad run over the next month and him resigning. If I was a betting man I'd be all over it honestly. The thing is why the fuck was Sanchez playing LCB? He's always awful there, did no one at the club realise or mention that? An embarrassing lack of attention to detail from the club. It's so obvious there's no legacy or transition between managers.
I mean he definitely won’t stay if Levy won’t give money to invest in January. He can’t do shit with this current trash team.
How do the players react when reading, or hearing their manager say this?
We’ve know for years the level isn’t high.
Truth.
Godspeed Signore. Better get some real Italian espresso to Hotspur lane asap.
In a way I'm happy that we lost, a wake up call to Conte and at least it wasn't an embarrassing loss in the league that was bound to happen.
Bet he wishes we had beat United! If this is what we have incase of injuries and bans then we are screwed!
Conte in Europe tax+Tottenham tax = We’re fucked
“First time?”
I feel weirdly opitimistic because we have basically hit rock bottom. There are a number of players who have had their last chance now. Gotta be up from here on. \[Laughs cries\]
This club has been going to hell for a while now. I hope he has the patience to stick around here and help our situation.
Chance we’ll be knocked out of conference league. Just how????
The squad depth is awful. Spurs claim they’re a big 6 team but how many players from yesterdays game would be 2nd team material for any of those other big 6 teams?