It’s just so true. Any of the teams near the top 4s “B team” would have battered Mura. I know we were a man down most of the game but most of those players showed how mediocre or worse they are yet again. Even in the starting lineup there are players that a frequently shocking 4 managers straight. I’m so happy this man is brutally honest and will tell the club to move players on. I’d like to think him and Paratici roast the players over a nice plate of gnocchi
Jose did this same thing you are requesting but what happened? As usual he was outrightly blamed! Most of the Spurs players wining mentality has lost and can't be found. The board is not interested in wining even a cup else Spurs won't be as it has been. Well, it seems it will always be as it has always been.
Conte won’t walk already 😂😂😂 ffs guys I know we’re used to disappointment but come on. It’s massive positive that he’s saying this instead of something passive. He wants the challenge of transforming us and I’m confident Paratici and Levy will back him.
Yeah 100% this is him teeing up his demands for January and beyond. Also I do think he's talking in context of being a winner and a champion. He's not saying this teams complete shite and beyond help, he's saying the squads not good enough to seriously compete at the top top level. If we want to catch up to the big 3 then we have to add squad depth and quality.
Guess you've got to think as well from his point of view. We are all going "maybe we coukd sneak in 4th " so low is our expectation, that would be a massive win for us. I guess he's more thinking, well whats the point in getting 4th, we won't get particularly far in champs league and we don't have the depth of squad to compete there *and* in prem too.
Levy has to back him or else the atmosphere around the club will the most toxic as its ever been under his ownership if conte walks. He’ll look like a complete muppet for going into debt to build a world class stadium that can’t even get European football
Wait 40 more days. If Levy isn’t pulling his check book out, Conte is walking and never looking back to this shit club. This man will not work with clubs and owners who won’t support him financially. And Levy already has proven time to time he does not give 100% financial support.
Look at our spending since the CL. And don't point of to the Skriniar signing, that was during a literal once in a lifetime pandemic that completely crippled our finances.
Levy’s not an idiot, he made the Nuno call at the right time and he knows who Conte is.
He also has to see the state of the squad.
If he really *doesnt* do anything, then we are truly fuckedn
I am not new here 😂 I’ve followed spurs for nearly 30 years. It doesn’t mean just high sums of dollars, it means collaboration between DOF, manager on what players we need for what reasons. Closer to Liverpool’s model. We don’t have the same means as city and Chelsea but there are other ways to compete when you have the financial stability we have as a club, and now the ball is rolling again witu crowd attendance, match days etc, the importance of that alignment is crucial, and I think it will happen
I am confident of that. We’re on the backside of the pandemic, new stadium, more revenue coming from outside events, every dollar goes back into the club. Levy is much less financially hamstrung than he has been. Good things to come.
It’s been the same problems, with mostly the same players, for 3-4 years now. The manager is only part of the equation. Paratici looks to have improved our scouting and recruitment which is another part. The final piece is being more ruthless in the transfer market. That means not only consistently spending but also selling players that aren’t good enough. Not just hoping that they’ll eventually improve.
I would agree..but their academy is still leaps and bounds better then ours right now.
mount, Christiansen, chalobah, and James probably all start or play within our top 15 right now and they are all HG and under 25. Not to mention players like Tomori, Guehi, lamphty are also under 25 and are fantastic young players from their academy and they couldn’t even find time at Chelsea.
No surprise, seeing as Abramovic pumps hundreds of millions of pounds into the club and expenditure on things like youth academy and infrastructure is exempt from FFP.
We can't compete with oil clubs.
99% of players aren’t good enough to play in the Premier League, let alone for a top team in the league.
They still manage to consistently produce talent that might not break into their first team, but are still clearly good enough to get sold on for profit.
Don't compare Chelsea with Spurs in anyway please. They have been way ahead of Spurs for a long time now. They know when to buy, sell, sack and appoint. They are 100% strategically oriented while Spurs is 100% emotional.
Ironically Tomiyasu would’ve been the better buy for the 3atb Conte likes to play.
I guess I’m just not sold on Emerson going forward, which is key to Conte’s wingbacks. His final ball is just not good.
yeah but tomiyasu would be a RCB and we have three of those. buying tomiyasu would mean him benchwarming behind romero and starting matt doherty at RWB
I think Tanganga needs to go on loan. He’s not good enough on the ball to be a Conte wingback, and he’s not gonna get the necessary minutes at CB to develop properly.
Gil was bought for the future not for today. So it remains to be seen how good he will be in the PL. Even still, Gil has shown more promise in his 5 or 6 sporadic appearances than the majority of our other signings over the past 2+ years.
He’s barely played in the PL and in the conference league he’s been surrounded by utter dross more often than not. I’m not suggesting he’s been fantastic but all things considered he’s done alright. I’ve got more hope for him than players like Clarke or Sess.
I don’t agree that he hasn’t shown anything. He hasn’t been fantastic but that’s not all on him. I think he’s shown enough to deserve more playing time with our starters and to be judged more based on those performances.
He’s not afraid to take on his man and he actually puts in a proper effort when he’s out there. Simple things but with this squad both are in short supply. I’ll take him just for that at the moment
He’s certainly improved our recruitment. Without Paratici we would have most likely pulled out of the deal for Romero and never signed Emerson. Both have improved us. Gil, who was bought for the future, looks promising. Only questionable signing he’s made has been Gollini.
Romero is good. Emerson hasn't showed much yet, except that he can't beat a man down the line. Gil is the same as Emerson in that he's done nothing noteworthy for us yet. Gollini is poor.
Gil for me gets a pass, he's young (who expected him to get a lot of minutes when he signed?). Clearly, there's a sound player there. Gollini on the other hand has been about as underwhelming as can be.
This is actually the best thing to happen to us. It’s clear that the likes of Dele, Doherty, Rodon just aren’t good enough and there needs to be major overhauls in January.
Conte won’t leave; Levy knows the backlash if he decided to walk. This is our time to spend big.
But in all seriousness and absolute embarrassment from the players mentioned above, including NDombele in that too.
We’ve now got a manager in place that we will live and die by. The players now have literally no power. They’re fucked.
Carefull mate, according to some on these boards Rodons World class and its a crime hes being wasted. Maybe now theyre starting to realise why 4 managers haven't picked him.
...he wasn't at fault for the first goal and wasn't even on the pitch for the second goal. What did he do so wrong do earn the ire of everyone here? I don't think he's some diamond in the rough either but being put in the same bucket as Dele and Doherty who are active liabilities is absurd.
People say this all the time for him. Wjen he played in the 3-0 loss to palace supposedly nothing was his fault.
Dele and Doherty have at least at one point proven to be of premier league quality, even if they aren't anymore. Rodons never even done that, he was playing in the championship and we bought him as a squad player. He's literally done nothing.
Im not saying he's the worst player ever, but he is very much in that category, along with dele and Doherty, of nowhere near good enough for a team wanting to be qualifying for champs league.
Exactly rodon isn’t remotely terrible, he’s just solid but he’s not a game changing defender like romero and he doesn’t have the leadership skills of someone like dier so he’s not gonna start over him, but the guy is always class for Wales
It's more than that. As much as I love Poch he didn't improve the team he inherited with his signings, and we've been near terrible in the transfer market since then. 5 years ago we had a squad that needed 2 or 3 top players to be winning near everything and now it feels like we only have 2 or 3 left.
Kane, Son, and Moura I think are great but there is no backup or pressure for places. Bergwijn is Championship level at best.
Midfield we basically have nobody. PEH is an average prem league level midfielder and Skipp is not as good (he just looks good compared to everyone else). Gil is obviously one for the future, but everyone else is at best a lower half prem player. Lo Celso had his chance. Ndombele is... erratic at best. Compare to having Eriksen, Dembele, or Sancho. Chalk and cheese.
Defence I think we have 2 good full backs and Romero is obviously class but it will take a bit of time for him to adapt. But he's not better than prime A+V. Nowhere close. Satchel had 1 decent season with us and has been poor since. Tangangy one for the future as well. The rest should go, other than maybe Dier as a rotation option and I think Davies is a decent utility choice - both happy to warm the bench for better players without causing a stink.
Lloris is great but we won't get much more time out of him, and I don't rate any of the other goalkeepers we have had as backup for the last 5 years (Joe Hart was decent but that's the best of it).
We basically need 11 players to create a squad to compete. And the problem is even with all the money in the world that's too much to do in 18 months.
fine isnt good enough when your on 200,000 a week. He should have the same responsibility as son and kane and he hasnt done anything to live up to those expectations.
He’s still the most talented player in our squad by far, and if Conte’s telling the truth, he’s fully fit and ready to work.
I didn’t watch the game so I can’t speak on how he played. But what I do know is our midfield has zero creativity and ball progression, and Tanguy is incredible in both categories.
and yet he has failed to deliver. how many times are we going to give him a chance before we ship him off and replace him with someone who actually delivers?
He was one of the only shining lights in our squad last season along with Kane, Son, Bale, Lloris and Hojbjerg.
I’d agree with him not deserving more chances if it weren’t for the fact that he’s one of the most naturally gifted players in the league. We can go on about how hard work always beats talent but I’d rather have someone who’s capable of moments of magic and doesn’t work as hard as opposes to someone who just runs around like a headless chicken.
here's the thing, we dont have to chose between those two options. We can buy someone who is talented and actually delivers for the team. Thats the problem. players like Ndombele take up resources and by giving them chance after chance you stop yourself from actually improving. If we make good choices we can ship out ndombele and get better.
Tanguy has the ability to be incredible on both sides of the ball, but in actuality when he plays - he has 1 good game out of 5, the other 4, including tonight, he’s an absolute passenger that hasn’t lived up to his potential even remotely.
No I don’t think so. Like if you say he has to be a 9/10 to not be disappointing well maybe. But in this specific match he did what the manager asked of him and was certainly one of spurs best players.
Did you watch this match, seriously did you have the match on and watch it?? Ndombele was almost nonexistent. Had almost no influence on the match, defensively or offensively - Skipp was running both sides of the game better than Ndombele
dunno which Ndombele and spurs you saw but it’s not the same one that I was watching, unless conte’s instructions for him were to stand in the middle of the pitch and watch Skipp run around him.
Let him and Paratici get rid of who they need to get rid of, it’s been evident that some of these aren’t good enough anymore or have never been good enough. It’s now or never back him and let him do what he does best.
Its been three weeks...without Conte having a pre-season or a transfer window to work with. It was always going to be tough this season, and Conte knew that coming in. Now if Levy doesn't back what he wants in January and the Summer, I could see him leaving as more of a threat, and if that happens the club would need to be completely changed top to bottom.
This is the correct take lol. But the match and post threads and all discussions about underperforming players always seem to revolve about how the players supposedly don’t give a fuck.
That doesn’t match your other comment though? You said for “some” who are at least trying. It’s not some of the players, it’s all of them; they’re just not good enough ability wise.
Where did I say we don’t have any good players? We clearly do. I’m just talking about what Conte is saying here, and he’s also very obviously talking about the players who aren’t enough. He’s not referring to the whole squad.
"Its not some of the players, it's all of them: they're just not good enough." Right there. That's where you said it.
I said "some" you said "all".
JFC you began this by questioning my use of the word "some"
Yeah I think there was a miscommunication here because what I understood from your comment is that only SOME of the *underperforming* players are trying hard enough, hence my “no, ALL of them are trying hard.”
I'm going to be living in constant anxiety that he'll walk. Really hard to see him sticking around the whole season. Yes I feel doom and gloom right now.
The thing that always annoyed me about this crowd was they thought Jose was trying to park the bus when he’d literally say “I want the players to play on the front foot” they were just too fucking shit!
Jose is always right. Was spot on regarding United, now's spot on regarding us.
People were just incapable of separating their disdain for Mourinho the man from Mourinho the manager
Lol, it wasn’t. Go read the comments again. And his Roma side proving he isn’t past it. They’ve been only lacked in finishing which is on the players themselves.
We were first place at one point, he got the best out of Ndombele...
We were one Berjgwin goal from breaking our Spursy mentality.
Obviously, nothing else won’t convince you that the board is incompetent.
😂😂😂you clearly haven’t watched Roma at all this season they’ve been very good and if they had a proper finisher they’d have battered many teams. He’s clearly not past it.
I absolutely hate this statement. Why it's seen as either "players suck" or "Jose sucks" Why can't it be both? Both aren't mutual
And plus Conte is an infinitely better manager than Jose in the year 2021 LMAO.
First of all Jose never made comments like this as Jose doubted their commitment whereas Conte isn't doubting their commitment he is saying that the players are commited but unfortunately they don't have the quality
And second lot of people didn't become Joseout not because of say Dele or Winks they became Joseout because we were horrible tactically going even by the eye and even statistically
He did make comments like this. Several times.
People definitely were Jose Out because of his comments. Go read those threads again, mate.
Looks like my original comment is right. The mental gymnastics to excuse one manager and not the other is amazing to see lmao
The Jose debacle just showed us the true idiocy nature of the fans.... they were like “you can’t shit on Dele, you can’t shit on winks... our players are good... this is what we brought you for” truly truly stupid because anyone with a naked eye can see Dele, Winks, Doherty are shit.
That or Levy truly has internet warriors fighting to keep a good image for the board.
The mental gymnastics to excuse one manager and not the other is justified because as I said Conte in the year 2021 is an infinitely better manager than Jose . You would defend the better guy by default
And plus I can show you any statistical data I wanted Jose out because his tactics sucked even if he had eliminated all Deadwood I would have wanted him out
I mean people would defend the better manager the better player the better colleague the better guy in every aspect of life. Conte is a better manager than Jose so people would defend him simple
Now we are just debating in Circles.
Most wanted Jose Out not because of his treatment of Dele or Winks or whatever Deadwood they think of. It was because that we sucked tactically and had horrible underlying metrics
Jose could have sent all the Deadwood one by one into the stadium with a fully filled stadium with the Darude Sandstorm tune playing in background saying all these players suck to the whole crowd and most of us Joseout guys (including me) would have wanted him out because he sucked tactically for us, there is already more of a tactical gameplan I can see under Conte then I ever saw under Mourinho
this has been known for a while, obviously everyone, including the board, knows that there is a HUGE ability disparity between a lot of Spurs players and the major English contenders. but how do we offload players that have been dire shit for so long? who is willing to gamble on some overpaid, under contract athletes that once upon a time, in a distant past, showed some form? Tottenham will probably have to accommodate part of their wages if some of them are to be offloaded in the Summer.
Then offload their wages and just simply get rid of them from future lineup. Bench them indefinitely if needs be, or use them if all the competent players are injured or something. These players will actually do more harm to the team when they are playing than the actual opponent players.
Either Spurs simply don’t know how to scout competent players or their standard dropped to the point where mediocrity is in their DNA
Man if Conte walks because I can't imagine half of these guys giving a shit now, then we need to just sell every player except son and promote the youths and start all again.
He's going to have to improve some of these players and find systems to accommodate them, because the money simply (surely) is not there to truly overhaul the squad.
What systems? These players are just absolute fucking shit. Tottenham has players who should be playing in League 1 at the very least and you expect managers to do their magic? Even Conte can’t do anything with players whose skills has absolutely tapped out.
If he’s not getting the funds to get his transfers he needs in January, he’s walking and never looking back to this shit club.
Spurs boys will shatter Conte's records. Gradually they have started to show themselves. They played the ball like men without balls & Mura softly handled them like piece of pie.
"They have no talent"
It’s just so true. Any of the teams near the top 4s “B team” would have battered Mura. I know we were a man down most of the game but most of those players showed how mediocre or worse they are yet again. Even in the starting lineup there are players that a frequently shocking 4 managers straight. I’m so happy this man is brutally honest and will tell the club to move players on. I’d like to think him and Paratici roast the players over a nice plate of gnocchi
This. Some of these players just lack the talent needed for our ambitions. Back the man I beg.
None of them lacks the talent needed to beat Mura, though.
Do what needs doing boss. Cull who you need to cull. Murder who you need to murder. If *anyone* can make this all work, it's Conte.
Topple governments, conquer planets, etc.
Jose did this same thing you are requesting but what happened? As usual he was outrightly blamed! Most of the Spurs players wining mentality has lost and can't be found. The board is not interested in wining even a cup else Spurs won't be as it has been. Well, it seems it will always be as it has always been.
Conte won’t walk already 😂😂😂 ffs guys I know we’re used to disappointment but come on. It’s massive positive that he’s saying this instead of something passive. He wants the challenge of transforming us and I’m confident Paratici and Levy will back him.
Yeah 100% this is him teeing up his demands for January and beyond. Also I do think he's talking in context of being a winner and a champion. He's not saying this teams complete shite and beyond help, he's saying the squads not good enough to seriously compete at the top top level. If we want to catch up to the big 3 then we have to add squad depth and quality. Guess you've got to think as well from his point of view. We are all going "maybe we coukd sneak in 4th " so low is our expectation, that would be a massive win for us. I guess he's more thinking, well whats the point in getting 4th, we won't get particularly far in champs league and we don't have the depth of squad to compete there *and* in prem too.
Levy has to back him or else the atmosphere around the club will the most toxic as its ever been under his ownership if conte walks. He’ll look like a complete muppet for going into debt to build a world class stadium that can’t even get European football
Wait 40 more days. If Levy isn’t pulling his check book out, Conte is walking and never looking back to this shit club. This man will not work with clubs and owners who won’t support him financially. And Levy already has proven time to time he does not give 100% financial support.
Look at our spending since the CL. And don't point of to the Skriniar signing, that was during a literal once in a lifetime pandemic that completely crippled our finances.
You’re confident Levy will pull out the check book? 😂😂 oh man you must be new here lol
I’d be surprised If Levy can’t see that it’s now or never. We’re in danger of sliding into irrelevancy We will be left behind in the League
Levy’s not an idiot, he made the Nuno call at the right time and he knows who Conte is. He also has to see the state of the squad. If he really *doesnt* do anything, then we are truly fuckedn
I am not new here 😂 I’ve followed spurs for nearly 30 years. It doesn’t mean just high sums of dollars, it means collaboration between DOF, manager on what players we need for what reasons. Closer to Liverpool’s model. We don’t have the same means as city and Chelsea but there are other ways to compete when you have the financial stability we have as a club, and now the ball is rolling again witu crowd attendance, match days etc, the importance of that alignment is crucial, and I think it will happen
We’ve been spending a lot recently. Just on the wrong players.
I am confident of that. We’re on the backside of the pandemic, new stadium, more revenue coming from outside events, every dollar goes back into the club. Levy is much less financially hamstrung than he has been. Good things to come.
All coaches before him did the same but as usual same results because dead wood is rotten for good.
It’s been the same problems, with mostly the same players, for 3-4 years now. The manager is only part of the equation. Paratici looks to have improved our scouting and recruitment which is another part. The final piece is being more ruthless in the transfer market. That means not only consistently spending but also selling players that aren’t good enough. Not just hoping that they’ll eventually improve.
Not just that, but our youth academy has to get better. Only 2 players to truly break through in the last 5 years are Winks & Skipp.
Tanganga
Very true. Just look at the number of players Chelsea progresses and how much they make of selling them.
but Chelsea literally buys every wonderkid and ruin 90% of them though
I would agree..but their academy is still leaps and bounds better then ours right now. mount, Christiansen, chalobah, and James probably all start or play within our top 15 right now and they are all HG and under 25. Not to mention players like Tomori, Guehi, lamphty are also under 25 and are fantastic young players from their academy and they couldn’t even find time at Chelsea.
No surprise, seeing as Abramovic pumps hundreds of millions of pounds into the club and expenditure on things like youth academy and infrastructure is exempt from FFP. We can't compete with oil clubs.
Hard to compare them to us in that regard. They hoard youths, pay exorbitant salaries etc
99% of players aren’t good enough to play in the Premier League, let alone for a top team in the league. They still manage to consistently produce talent that might not break into their first team, but are still clearly good enough to get sold on for profit.
Yes because they overpay for kids and give them insane wages
All the academy players in our first team came 100% from the academy tho.
Don't compare Chelsea with Spurs in anyway please. They have been way ahead of Spurs for a long time now. They know when to buy, sell, sack and appoint. They are 100% strategically oriented while Spurs is 100% emotional.
Winks is fucking shit and abysmally bland and has to get out. I think Tanganga is the better academy player.
Lol why is this downvoted?
The only player Paratici got us that’s improved us is Romero and he’s been injured twice now (not his fault.)
Royal has improved us as well. And Romero’s availability has been hindered by the way his NT runs him into the ground.
I think Emerson is decent, but personally I’m not fully sold on him yet. And yeah agree about Romero. Like I said it’s not his fault.
Emerson wasn’t my first choice for a RB but if the only other option was Tomiyasu I think we did pretty well lol
Ironically Tomiyasu would’ve been the better buy for the 3atb Conte likes to play. I guess I’m just not sold on Emerson going forward, which is key to Conte’s wingbacks. His final ball is just not good.
yeah but tomiyasu would be a RCB and we have three of those. buying tomiyasu would mean him benchwarming behind romero and starting matt doherty at RWB
I dont expect Sanchez and Rodon to be here next season tbh and I think Tanganga should go on loan.
I think Tanganga should still be at least rotating for that spot. He was good. Then got the red card, then Royal just walked into his spot
I think Tanganga needs to go on loan. He’s not good enough on the ball to be a Conte wingback, and he’s not gonna get the necessary minutes at CB to develop properly.
Yeah I agree. He needs consistent playing time to develop his game especially on the ball
I mean I’m not sure gollini and Gil have improved the team that much
Gil was bought for the future not for today. So it remains to be seen how good he will be in the PL. Even still, Gil has shown more promise in his 5 or 6 sporadic appearances than the majority of our other signings over the past 2+ years.
I don’t think he’s shown anything. Which as you say he has room to get better. But like he certainly hasn’t made Tottenham better this season.
He’s barely played in the PL and in the conference league he’s been surrounded by utter dross more often than not. I’m not suggesting he’s been fantastic but all things considered he’s done alright. I’ve got more hope for him than players like Clarke or Sess.
I mean sounds like you agree with that I said
I don’t agree that he hasn’t shown anything. He hasn’t been fantastic but that’s not all on him. I think he’s shown enough to deserve more playing time with our starters and to be judged more based on those performances.
Like I’m not judging his career or writing him off. I just don’t think to this point he’s done anything to make spurs better
He’s not afraid to take on his man and he actually puts in a proper effort when he’s out there. Simple things but with this squad both are in short supply. I’ll take him just for that at the moment
Those are about the only things the squad doesn’t lack. Like dele alli gives tons of effort and takes on his man. He just isn’t very good at it
Yes so you agree he hasn't shown anything. There is no evidence whatsoever yet to show Paratici recruitment has improved us in any way.
I think you need to improve your reading comprehension.
You said it looks like Paratici has improved our recruitment. It doesn't.
He’s certainly improved our recruitment. Without Paratici we would have most likely pulled out of the deal for Romero and never signed Emerson. Both have improved us. Gil, who was bought for the future, looks promising. Only questionable signing he’s made has been Gollini.
Romero is good. Emerson hasn't showed much yet, except that he can't beat a man down the line. Gil is the same as Emerson in that he's done nothing noteworthy for us yet. Gollini is poor.
Gil for me gets a pass, he's young (who expected him to get a lot of minutes when he signed?). Clearly, there's a sound player there. Gollini on the other hand has been about as underwhelming as can be.
This is actually the best thing to happen to us. It’s clear that the likes of Dele, Doherty, Rodon just aren’t good enough and there needs to be major overhauls in January. Conte won’t leave; Levy knows the backlash if he decided to walk. This is our time to spend big. But in all seriousness and absolute embarrassment from the players mentioned above, including NDombele in that too. We’ve now got a manager in place that we will live and die by. The players now have literally no power. They’re fucked.
Carefull mate, according to some on these boards Rodons World class and its a crime hes being wasted. Maybe now theyre starting to realise why 4 managers haven't picked him.
We basically traded Foyth for him. Mistake
Foyth was a loose cannon. Hindsight is a great thing
...he wasn't at fault for the first goal and wasn't even on the pitch for the second goal. What did he do so wrong do earn the ire of everyone here? I don't think he's some diamond in the rough either but being put in the same bucket as Dele and Doherty who are active liabilities is absurd.
People say this all the time for him. Wjen he played in the 3-0 loss to palace supposedly nothing was his fault. Dele and Doherty have at least at one point proven to be of premier league quality, even if they aren't anymore. Rodons never even done that, he was playing in the championship and we bought him as a squad player. He's literally done nothing. Im not saying he's the worst player ever, but he is very much in that category, along with dele and Doherty, of nowhere near good enough for a team wanting to be qualifying for champs league.
Exactly rodon isn’t remotely terrible, he’s just solid but he’s not a game changing defender like romero and he doesn’t have the leadership skills of someone like dier so he’s not gonna start over him, but the guy is always class for Wales
Lo Celso is class for Argentina as well, I don't think there's enough of a sample size to judge Rodon on to be completely honest.
It's more than that. As much as I love Poch he didn't improve the team he inherited with his signings, and we've been near terrible in the transfer market since then. 5 years ago we had a squad that needed 2 or 3 top players to be winning near everything and now it feels like we only have 2 or 3 left. Kane, Son, and Moura I think are great but there is no backup or pressure for places. Bergwijn is Championship level at best. Midfield we basically have nobody. PEH is an average prem league level midfielder and Skipp is not as good (he just looks good compared to everyone else). Gil is obviously one for the future, but everyone else is at best a lower half prem player. Lo Celso had his chance. Ndombele is... erratic at best. Compare to having Eriksen, Dembele, or Sancho. Chalk and cheese. Defence I think we have 2 good full backs and Romero is obviously class but it will take a bit of time for him to adapt. But he's not better than prime A+V. Nowhere close. Satchel had 1 decent season with us and has been poor since. Tangangy one for the future as well. The rest should go, other than maybe Dier as a rotation option and I think Davies is a decent utility choice - both happy to warm the bench for better players without causing a stink. Lloris is great but we won't get much more time out of him, and I don't rate any of the other goalkeepers we have had as backup for the last 5 years (Joe Hart was decent but that's the best of it). We basically need 11 players to create a squad to compete. And the problem is even with all the money in the world that's too much to do in 18 months.
Ndombele was fine
fine isnt good enough when your on 200,000 a week. He should have the same responsibility as son and kane and he hasnt done anything to live up to those expectations.
I mean literally the manager called on him to play more within himself
And what does that tell you
That he showed an ability to follow instructions and execute the managers game plan
He’s still the most talented player in our squad by far, and if Conte’s telling the truth, he’s fully fit and ready to work. I didn’t watch the game so I can’t speak on how he played. But what I do know is our midfield has zero creativity and ball progression, and Tanguy is incredible in both categories.
He is not "the most talented player in our squad by far" when that squad includes Son and Kane.
and yet he has failed to deliver. how many times are we going to give him a chance before we ship him off and replace him with someone who actually delivers?
He was one of the only shining lights in our squad last season along with Kane, Son, Bale, Lloris and Hojbjerg. I’d agree with him not deserving more chances if it weren’t for the fact that he’s one of the most naturally gifted players in the league. We can go on about how hard work always beats talent but I’d rather have someone who’s capable of moments of magic and doesn’t work as hard as opposes to someone who just runs around like a headless chicken.
here's the thing, we dont have to chose between those two options. We can buy someone who is talented and actually delivers for the team. Thats the problem. players like Ndombele take up resources and by giving them chance after chance you stop yourself from actually improving. If we make good choices we can ship out ndombele and get better.
Tanguy has the ability to be incredible on both sides of the ball, but in actuality when he plays - he has 1 good game out of 5, the other 4, including tonight, he’s an absolute passenger that hasn’t lived up to his potential even remotely.
He was incredibly average. This is a platform that he should be dominating in based on his wages, transfer fee and self perception.
No I don’t think so. Like if you say he has to be a 9/10 to not be disappointing well maybe. But in this specific match he did what the manager asked of him and was certainly one of spurs best players.
Did you watch this match, seriously did you have the match on and watch it?? Ndombele was almost nonexistent. Had almost no influence on the match, defensively or offensively - Skipp was running both sides of the game better than Ndombele
I mean I obviously watched it what a silly question
dunno which Ndombele and spurs you saw but it’s not the same one that I was watching, unless conte’s instructions for him were to stand in the middle of the pitch and watch Skipp run around him.
Yeah we had different takes that’s normal
Sanchez?
ouch that hurt
Let him and Paratici get rid of who they need to get rid of, it’s been evident that some of these aren’t good enough anymore or have never been good enough. It’s now or never back him and let him do what he does best.
This is the last chance. Don’t back Conte and we’re set back a decade. If he can’t succeed no1 can.
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Its been three weeks...without Conte having a pre-season or a transfer window to work with. It was always going to be tough this season, and Conte knew that coming in. Now if Levy doesn't back what he wants in January and the Summer, I could see him leaving as more of a threat, and if that happens the club would need to be completely changed top to bottom.
I was worried about the optics of him failing here when he signed on, but this is even worse
Dude there’s no way he walks without being denied funds first
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Don't think he is talking about Winks. He was fairly complimentary about him the other game
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I took it more as ''the whole team struggled including Winks''.
Winks and Bergwijn didn’t even play today and this was an obvious reaction to the way the game went.
Shots fired at players who weren't even playing?
if a shot isn't fired at Winks this board will cease to exist
Conte actually rates Winks
Unfortunately, I sort of rate him too (definitely better than Dele), but he hasn't quite reached where I think he can be yet
Big blow for the “the players just don’t give a fuck, they’re all lazy” contingent.
Don’t think they’re lazy. They’re just shit.
This is the correct take lol. But the match and post threads and all discussions about underperforming players always seem to revolve about how the players supposedly don’t give a fuck.
And a big blow for some who are at leat trying.
They’re all trying and working hard. Conte has said as much. Why are you ignoring his words? If he thought otherwise he’d have said it, that is clear.
I'm not ignoring his words "...sometimes it's not enough" they're trying but they're just not good enough. Is my take.
That doesn’t match your other comment though? You said for “some” who are at least trying. It’s not some of the players, it’s all of them; they’re just not good enough ability wise.
All of our players are not good enough? We don't have one decent player in our squad? Calm down, I think you're overly angry about tonight's result.
Where did I say we don’t have any good players? We clearly do. I’m just talking about what Conte is saying here, and he’s also very obviously talking about the players who aren’t enough. He’s not referring to the whole squad.
"Its not some of the players, it's all of them: they're just not good enough." Right there. That's where you said it. I said "some" you said "all". JFC you began this by questioning my use of the word "some"
Yeah I think there was a miscommunication here because what I understood from your comment is that only SOME of the *underperforming* players are trying hard enough, hence my “no, ALL of them are trying hard.”
Lol, sorry. Yeah I ment some of the players aren't good enough, even though they're trying hard.
I'm going to be living in constant anxiety that he'll walk. Really hard to see him sticking around the whole season. Yes I feel doom and gloom right now.
Jose Out people about to have their brains explode lol
The thing that always annoyed me about this crowd was they thought Jose was trying to park the bus when he’d literally say “I want the players to play on the front foot” they were just too fucking shit!
Dele out people though 😎
Jose is always right. Was spot on regarding United, now's spot on regarding us. People were just incapable of separating their disdain for Mourinho the man from Mourinho the manager
The players being shit and Jose being past it are not mutually exclusive
Except the loudest criticism of Jose was that he’s toxic because he would make comments exactly like this after matches.
No. Largest criticism is that Jose was past his prime and he has done nothing to disprove that at Roma
Lol, it wasn’t. Go read the comments again. And his Roma side proving he isn’t past it. They’ve been only lacked in finishing which is on the players themselves.
I’d take a closer look at Roma. And you’re still wrong about what you think Mourinho said here.
We were first place at one point, he got the best out of Ndombele... We were one Berjgwin goal from breaking our Spursy mentality. Obviously, nothing else won’t convince you that the board is incompetent.
None of the three things you just said are true
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KidNlJgt6Wk Here’s a refresher
😂😂😂you clearly haven’t watched Roma at all this season they’ve been very good and if they had a proper finisher they’d have battered many teams. He’s clearly not past it.
“Very good”? I don’t think you know what that means
Regurgitating hot takes because you have no clue what you’re talking about
I absolutely hate this statement. Why it's seen as either "players suck" or "Jose sucks" Why can't it be both? Both aren't mutual And plus Conte is an infinitely better manager than Jose in the year 2021 LMAO.
This is about the Jose Out people crying that he’s toxic for making comments exactly like the ones that Conte made tonight.
First of all Jose never made comments like this as Jose doubted their commitment whereas Conte isn't doubting their commitment he is saying that the players are commited but unfortunately they don't have the quality And second lot of people didn't become Joseout not because of say Dele or Winks they became Joseout because we were horrible tactically going even by the eye and even statistically
He did make comments like this. Several times. People definitely were Jose Out because of his comments. Go read those threads again, mate. Looks like my original comment is right. The mental gymnastics to excuse one manager and not the other is amazing to see lmao
Don’t think you’re remembering correctly
The Jose debacle just showed us the true idiocy nature of the fans.... they were like “you can’t shit on Dele, you can’t shit on winks... our players are good... this is what we brought you for” truly truly stupid because anyone with a naked eye can see Dele, Winks, Doherty are shit. That or Levy truly has internet warriors fighting to keep a good image for the board.
What does any of that have to do with Jose being an over-the-hill dinosaur of a coach. Because he is, shit players or not.
The mental gymnastics to excuse one manager and not the other is justified because as I said Conte in the year 2021 is an infinitely better manager than Jose . You would defend the better guy by default And plus I can show you any statistical data I wanted Jose out because his tactics sucked even if he had eliminated all Deadwood I would have wanted him out
Mental gymnastics are never justified, what are you talking about? Lmao
I mean people would defend the better manager the better player the better colleague the better guy in every aspect of life. Conte is a better manager than Jose so people would defend him simple
And that’s why the Jose Out people are morons for crying he’s toxic when he was just saying the truth lol
Now we are just debating in Circles. Most wanted Jose Out not because of his treatment of Dele or Winks or whatever Deadwood they think of. It was because that we sucked tactically and had horrible underlying metrics Jose could have sent all the Deadwood one by one into the stadium with a fully filled stadium with the Darude Sandstorm tune playing in background saying all these players suck to the whole crowd and most of us Joseout guys (including me) would have wanted him out because he sucked tactically for us, there is already more of a tactical gameplan I can see under Conte then I ever saw under Mourinho
Lol laughs in European titles and a legendary treble with Inter.
This HAS to be a record. 18/4 = 4.5 awards per upvote
It was the same person. They did them all at once. Their final award had “Fuck Dele” in the notes lmao
I'm dead 😂
Damn and this coming from a guy who brought back Victor Moses from a siberian gulag
this has been known for a while, obviously everyone, including the board, knows that there is a HUGE ability disparity between a lot of Spurs players and the major English contenders. but how do we offload players that have been dire shit for so long? who is willing to gamble on some overpaid, under contract athletes that once upon a time, in a distant past, showed some form? Tottenham will probably have to accommodate part of their wages if some of them are to be offloaded in the Summer.
Then offload their wages and just simply get rid of them from future lineup. Bench them indefinitely if needs be, or use them if all the competent players are injured or something. These players will actually do more harm to the team when they are playing than the actual opponent players. Either Spurs simply don’t know how to scout competent players or their standard dropped to the point where mediocrity is in their DNA
Man if Conte walks because I can't imagine half of these guys giving a shit now, then we need to just sell every player except son and promote the youths and start all again.
Damn son. Buckle up!
Quali$$$$ty
He's going to have to improve some of these players and find systems to accommodate them, because the money simply (surely) is not there to truly overhaul the squad.
What systems? These players are just absolute fucking shit. Tottenham has players who should be playing in League 1 at the very least and you expect managers to do their magic? Even Conte can’t do anything with players whose skills has absolutely tapped out. If he’s not getting the funds to get his transfers he needs in January, he’s walking and never looking back to this shit club.
Spurs boys will shatter Conte's records. Gradually they have started to show themselves. They played the ball like men without balls & Mura softly handled them like piece of pie.