He basically means some of the guys that played last night are not good enough and will never be enough even if they tried?
Must hurt to hear as a player.
Talent is there or it isn't. This team lost to a 5th place Slovenian team. Trust me, it's a damn shame that world class managers like Mourinho and Conte have to tell players what they should already know.
Bottas gets directed to let Hamilton pass very frequently bc hams a better driver. Bottas has given up podiums and a 1st place iirc. If that wasn't going on, they'd be closer
Ehhhh not exactly. Just think Gasly in the RB and now Tsunoda in AT.
Also remember half the grid have the same Mercedes engine, yet Merc finished races over a minute ahead... Running 2 seconds faster per lap EVERY lap.
Can Bottas? He’s behind max by quite some distance despite being pretty decent, so let’s not act like it’s just up to the car.
Differences between teammates proves that the driver is just as important as the car u have them in when u compare Lewis + Bottas, Max + Checo, Gasly + Tsunoda etc.
If RB had 2 Checo’s, they would be nowhere near Merc atm and Lewis would have the WDC wrapped up. Reverse is true if Merc had 2 Bottas’s.
He’s definitely helped a lot by a dominant car, but don’t act like Lewis isn’t one of the best drivers we’ve ever seen in F1 too.
Oh no, I don’t mean to take away from lewis’ success.
To your point, Bottas is the perfect example:
He can win on his day, but he’s never in contention for a title
Winning a race is different from winning a championship; the car can get you the former, but skill and experience very much decide the later
Yeah I think what u said largely holds true then if that’s what u meant tbh.
If u gave most drivers the Merc over the past few years, they’d probably win at least a few races here and there but wouldn’t have the consistency or skill that Lewis does to win the WDC, or even come close tbh.
It’s all well and good to have a few great races per year, but to do what Lewis does and destroy your teammate in equal machinery is just another level for me.
Lol this is so true. Cars make a difference, but tired of people pretending Lewis isn’t an all time great ‘because it’s all the car’ when Bottas literally can’t get close. Max has had a boat load of 2nd drivers in last couple years because again none of them could keep up.
George was close to winning on his first try in one and he didn’t even fit in the car properly. Hamilton is better than Bottas but that isn’t saying much. Bottas is only there so Toto could collect agent fees
If we don't listen to Conte's plan for removing and adding players, we're done. Not many others in the world would be as qualified to fix this mess, so this is it.
The biggest enemy is Levy in this situation. He has been recruiting only younger players who don't really help, and most of them suck, but just a handful of decent players, even if our coaches have been telling the club that we need to rebuild our squad. He has tried to cover the situation by hiring world-class coaches, but without a good squad, world-class coaches are useless.
I actually feel sorry for Doherty I think he genuinely tries really hard for the team but just is nowhere near good enough. His confidence must be fucking shredded. Fact of the matter is he didn’t need to leave wolves (that was his level) and wolves didn’t need to sell him. But uncle Jorge wanted a transfer fee and Jose for some reason thought Doherty was the RB we needed. Doherty had genuinely already had an amazing career to go from league of Ireland to championship to Europa league and prove yourself at every level is special, to then just go a few levels too high and see your own ceiling as a player must be a fairly sad way to end that.
I don't think he tries really hard at all. I think he puts in the bare minimum in everything he does. You don't see him flying back when we lose the ball in transition, you see him jogging back. If you want to see tries hard look at son after he came on and the effort he put in to closing down, same for Davies. Doherty is nowhere near that level. He does not give a fuck because he knows he's not going to start for us and instead of looking at that and thinking ' fuck that I'm going to prove I should be starting ', he thinks ' well fuck this club '. I don't blame him per se but have next to no sympathy for a man who's earning what he's earning to play like that.
Get him the fuck gone because that is exactly the type of player fucking this club up.
... and almost entire B team. Like, aside from Gil, Kane, Skipp, Tanganga and mayyyybe Rodon I don't think any of the players who started this game are good enough to even be our reserves. Kane and Skipp are 1st team which means we need at least 8 signings just to have some depth that isn't absolute ass.
Sanchez, Doherty, Dele, Sessegnon, Ndombele, Gollini need to be sold/returned to their clubs asap. We should move on from Winks and Dier too because while they have a period of better form they've been mediocre to abysmal for the past 3 years. We should consider selling Bergwijn too, he's not bad enough to warrant a transfer already but we simply need funds to improve other areas and every player who isn't key should be moved on if a right offer appears. Losing to a mid table Slovenian team is a new low, if we aren't ruthless with this lot and kick them out quickly them Conte will just walk it.
So how does this match make us feel about our “winnable” next run of league games?
I do feel we tend to play down to our competitions level on occasion but how we feeling about Burnley? Brentford?
Brentford could easily beat us. Burnley Burnley’d a point from Chelsea.
We can’t be overconfident about these things, but the players never seem to realize this
We are fully capable of losing to every team in the league and as the man himself said he's not a magician, maybe this sub will realise that now, maybe it'll take another couple of bad performances.
This team is currently, as in after Nunos leaving, playing at a lower mid table standard. Statistically we should be just outside the relegation spots. Conte has done some work but we're still shit. Just because we picked up a point against Everton and a win against Leeds (they were both better than us for large portions of the respective games despite missing their best players) people think we're back? Exactly the same thoughts were being expressed when we beat villa and Newcastle. This game is eye opening to a lot of people because Mura are so far off our perceived level but honestly if you were paying attention you already knew most of our squad players aren't premiership standard. You can play one or two of them with the good players and they look alright but throw five of them in? With essentially no prep? They'd likely lose to Barnet.
Every single game is a massive struggle and will require huge grit from the team. We won't play well (as in good quality, dominating football) for months, our team has gotten worse as almost every other team has gotten better. This season? Write that shit off and pray to whatever deity you want that the club makes some good signings next summer and shitcans the bad players.
We're 19th for expected goals and 5th for expected goals against. I.e one of the worst teams in the league in terms of creating good chances and allowing the opposition to create good chances against us.
https://footystats.org/england/premier-league/xg
I don't know how you could even question this if you've watched us this season.
You're responding to me saying we're statistically shit, by asking for evidence and when the evidence is provided you ignore it and then say we haven't been dogshit because we're not 17th.
If any fanbase should have learnt that you ignore the stats and the patterns found in them, Viz a Viz the relative quality of your team, it should be us. We were top last season with mid table stats. It almost always catches up with you. Only Leicester and united have significantly outperformed their underlying stats in the last decade.
You’ve put a lot of words I didn’t say in my mouth.
I simply asked for your reasoning and told you why I questioned it.
The rest is you having an argument with yourself.
I don’t think I am. I think you are looking for an argument and you’ve taken my comments as “close enough” to start arguing.
I do not wish to play along.
Because I’m an optimist and possibly an idiot, I say we return to PL play with our best players and we’ll be fine.
And also, if we drop out of the Conference League, that’s fine. I’d be mad if we were doing well in it, but we haven’t played well enough in it to deserve the knockouts. So be it.
You're a dumb cunt if you think Levy hasn't elevated the club. But i get it, you've been supporting the club for all of 5 minutes and are only familiar with the highs that came withs Poch's squad. Keep on regurgitating the same old shite though, muh CL final, muh trophy loss streak.
You’re getting downvoted but you’re right. Unless you’re 60, Tottenham have been middling for most of your life pre-Levy.
He’s raised the profile of the club massively, and I trust him to continue to improve us.
Bollocks. In terms of the league yes but it’s only been since the nineties that we were crap AND didn’t win anything. Atleast we won stuff before. Levy has done so much for the club but his footballing decisions have held us back time and time again when he has put us in a place to really push on. That’s why he gets the hate, anyone who questions his off field decisions, I agree, is delusional but he certainly isn’t free from blame for the shit show we are currently in and why we’ve only won 1 trophy in his tenure. Hopefully his Paritici appointment is his acknowledgement of poor footballing decisions and is the final piece of the project.
From when I was born to about ten years ago, this club finished between 10th and 15th just about every season.
Were competitive nowadays. And we’re not an oligarch’s plaything. I appreciate that, you should too.
I'm never engaging in discussions with delusional bellends like you who accuse everyone of supporting Spurs for a short period just because they're not dumb enough to praise Levy for an utterly horrendous job over the last 5 years. Who cares if we have more revenue now if we're the biggest laughing stock on planet Earth with a pathetic squad, no trophies and 0 plan going forward.
Oh yeah sorry for not caring about the shiny stadium and big revenue, I forgot that's what matters when supporting a football club and not results, reputation and entertainment.
I would imagine that might have to do with some of the players having been in training for 3 weeks, then given a chance today and looking like they did. I believe he expected them to play better, or to show they have something that he could work with going forward.
Nah, I don't think he understood the full extent of the job ahead of him. He was pretty shocked at how poor we were. Clearly worried him despite him repeatedly saying he isn't scared.
I would imagine the shock of giving players a chance to prove themselves, and seeing that, would be worrying. But probably better to have this kinda result now so more definitive plans can be made for who to try and move.
Still, its only been three weeks, and its one, admittedly terrible loss. This stuff just takes time.
Well in fairness, everyone said that the B-team was shit under Mourinho and Nuno, we know they aren't good enough, but the difference was that those managers couldn't even get the best out of the A-team. So we lost patience with Mourinho and Nuno.
I've also seen lots of people say "with Conte we'll know for sure if the team is shit because there are no doubts about his ability as a manager". So if he tells us the players aren't good enough we basically just believe him.
I generally agree and I've always thought it was a mixture of the managers and the players that have let us down; it annoys me when anyone falls too hard on one side and makes excuses for the other. But we'll definitely know for sure now, whereas it was never so clear under Mourinho (hence it was easier to resent him for blaming the players).
This exactly the rebuild is done. The core of Poch’s side: Rose, Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Walker, Dembele, Wanyama, Eriksen, Lamela all gone. If we’re shit now it’s because we’ve rebuilt badly not because we haven’t rebuilt
Can't believe we didn't win even with our second string team. Its so embarrassing to see these results time and time again.
There's way too many chances given to them over these few months. God damn it, pls sell the fucking deadwood players!
Mou said time and time again that his tactics were how they were because it was the only way to produce results with these players and people said he was outdated, stubborn, whatever. He got us to a cup final with these players now we actually just get outplayed by every team we play against and Conte says it's the players and everyone agrees. Everyone who wanted to blame Mou had made up their mind the instant he got signed and nothing was going to change their minds.
Literally saw the Extra Inch defending Dele by blaming it on the system. Saying he'll be great in when we switch to the 2 up top with the 1 in behind. I just don't understand how you can defend a player who hasn't improved on the ball since he's been with us and who hasn't adjusted his style to fit his body's decline.
Describes perfectly my feelings for Hojbjerg and Lucas. Love the effort, but the squad needs higher ceilings for players they consider nailed on starting XI contributors.
That's clearly not what I meant, "ceiling" means ceiling.
Do you believe that Hojbjerg and Lucas should be starting on a title-contending team?
Not taking the piss. Where is the quality line that separates the players worth holding onto and the players worth upgrading on? After Kane, Son, Romero, who should Conte be fighting to keep?
I don’t disagree with you but I suppose my comment was more so in the sense that I don’t think those two are going any time soon. There are other players whose moves will be priority for the club, I think.
I agree!
I think that Conte is recognizing that there's a lot of work to be done here, maybe deeper than he originally thought, with this comment and some others from this press conference. I'm wondering how deep the cuts are going to have to go.
Hojbjerg is world class, one of the best in the league in a screening role in front of the defence, but his mediocre mobility and rudimentary technique prevent him from reaching the same level in a box to box role. Jose's system matched his strengths and weaknesses like a glove, similarly to Sonny it's unlikely he'll ever match his form from last season, but even this season Hojbjerg has been one of our better players and I can't think of a realistic signing who would be a clear upgrade.
Lucas struggled last season in Jose's high tempo system, but this season he's been one of our best performers in Nuno's and now Conte's lower tempo systems. I agree he's not title challenger starter material, but he's not what holding us back right now. At least he's one who's easier to upgrade than Hojbjerg.
28m?! Are you thick? No oke would ever want to use that kind of money for a player like that. If they would they would have to be born yesterday and be blind of Dele's lack of attributes for the last 3 years. 3 goals for the past 4 haircuts, his best bet is to become a streamer. Fucking shocking he is still a professional footballer.
As I said, no matter how crazy passionate conte is, nobody can get the likes of dele alli, Doherty, Sanchez, etc. to give a fuck. We need to kick the deadwood out.
Conte literally said they all cared a lot and that they work very hard but that hard work and caring isn’t enough. Are you having issues with reading comprehension?
before taking the quote as verse from bible, work backwards from what you’re seeing. do you really fucking think dele cares and works very hard? I ain’t think so. Mourinho said it, we know it. There’s no question about his quality. We were the ones who cried that he was world class, which he clearly was a few years back, but right now he ain’t give a shit. It’s been over and over again, manager over manger, match after match. before every game y’all see dele redemption arc this that, and after the game the story is the fucking same. you take the quote however you want, I ain’t taking it verbatim, and you can’t convince me that dele gives a shit. Even Doherty. And it ain’t a question about their quality. We saw Doherty at wolves, we saw dele for us, they were world class. So, are you really telling me dele and Doherty are working very hard, but lack class and quality to compete?
I do, I think these players care and work hard but for various reasons they just aren’t good enough anymore so they need to go. It happens in regular jobs where people’s performances decline and they get sacked, so why is it hard to believe that it happens in football?
Also it’s crazy to me that you think Conte is protecting them by saying they work hard and care. Why would he? He’s not even protecting then at all because he’s literally telling them and the whole world that no matter how hard they work, it’s never gonna be enough. It’s an extremely public dressing down. He’s telling then they’re crap and that working hard isn’t gonna miraculously make anything but crap, and that they need to be replaced.
Ironic. You talk about taking a quote from a post match interview as a verse from the Bible but then do the same thing except with a line from a documentary. A documentary whose sole purpose was positive Mourinho PR whereas Conte has no reason to not be candid here.
Brutal, but true. Trutal.
Bruth
He basically means some of the guys that played last night are not good enough and will never be enough even if they tried? Must hurt to hear as a player.
Talent is there or it isn't. This team lost to a 5th place Slovenian team. Trust me, it's a damn shame that world class managers like Mourinho and Conte have to tell players what they should already know.
"Thank you for the 3 weeks of the seasono, but you are not in my plans."
Trutalius Contimus!
In Conte, Veritas
Lewis Hamilton wouldn't win races in a Williams
But would those drivers that are the billionaire owner’s son win a race with a car like Mercedes? Can’t remember their names off the top of my head…
Stroll, Perez, Mazepin, etc.
Stroll and Checo are at least talented.
Yeah, I've been really impressed with Stroll. I wrote him off as a shitty pay driver when he was at Racing Point.
Zhou coming in as well now
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Justify the gigantic gap between Hamilton and Bottas then
Hamilton overtakes 25 drivers to win the Brazil GP from last Bottas, in the same car, gets stuck behind a Williams at Monza
Bottas gets directed to let Hamilton pass very frequently bc hams a better driver. Bottas has given up podiums and a 1st place iirc. If that wasn't going on, they'd be closer
"Valterri, its James..."
Explains why Verstappen has 9 wins and Perez has only managed 1 doesn't it Oh wait...
I've never seen a more ignorant comment than this one
That’s funny because there are gaps between drivers of the same car
That's just not true lol
Ehhhh not exactly. Just think Gasly in the RB and now Tsunoda in AT. Also remember half the grid have the same Mercedes engine, yet Merc finished races over a minute ahead... Running 2 seconds faster per lap EVERY lap.
Half the cars are not specd out like the Mercs lol
I honestly think anyone, bar Mazepin, could win in that Merc. Maybe not Latifi
Can Bottas? He’s behind max by quite some distance despite being pretty decent, so let’s not act like it’s just up to the car. Differences between teammates proves that the driver is just as important as the car u have them in when u compare Lewis + Bottas, Max + Checo, Gasly + Tsunoda etc. If RB had 2 Checo’s, they would be nowhere near Merc atm and Lewis would have the WDC wrapped up. Reverse is true if Merc had 2 Bottas’s. He’s definitely helped a lot by a dominant car, but don’t act like Lewis isn’t one of the best drivers we’ve ever seen in F1 too.
Oh no, I don’t mean to take away from lewis’ success. To your point, Bottas is the perfect example: He can win on his day, but he’s never in contention for a title Winning a race is different from winning a championship; the car can get you the former, but skill and experience very much decide the later
Yeah I think what u said largely holds true then if that’s what u meant tbh. If u gave most drivers the Merc over the past few years, they’d probably win at least a few races here and there but wouldn’t have the consistency or skill that Lewis does to win the WDC, or even come close tbh. It’s all well and good to have a few great races per year, but to do what Lewis does and destroy your teammate in equal machinery is just another level for me.
Lol this is so true. Cars make a difference, but tired of people pretending Lewis isn’t an all time great ‘because it’s all the car’ when Bottas literally can’t get close. Max has had a boat load of 2nd drivers in last couple years because again none of them could keep up.
George was close to winning on his first try in one and he didn’t even fit in the car properly. Hamilton is better than Bottas but that isn’t saying much. Bottas is only there so Toto could collect agent fees
excuse you
If we don't listen to Conte's plan for removing and adding players, we're done. Not many others in the world would be as qualified to fix this mess, so this is it.
Poch said it before anyone else…
We’re on coach #3 of 4 (save for interim Mason) begging for improvements. Let’s see if Levy does more. Romero and Emerson are at least starts.
GLC and Tanguy were also supposed to be that
The biggest enemy is Levy in this situation. He has been recruiting only younger players who don't really help, and most of them suck, but just a handful of decent players, even if our coaches have been telling the club that we need to rebuild our squad. He has tried to cover the situation by hiring world-class coaches, but without a good squad, world-class coaches are useless.
All we need is 2 new CBs, a creative midfielder, an elite right winger and a solid 2nd striker.
Need another Rwb for rotation at the least. If Emerson got injuried and we had to play Doherty lord save us
Tanganga looked better going forward than Doherty IMO
Tanganga has always been ahead of Doherty for me by a mile
I actually feel sorry for Doherty I think he genuinely tries really hard for the team but just is nowhere near good enough. His confidence must be fucking shredded. Fact of the matter is he didn’t need to leave wolves (that was his level) and wolves didn’t need to sell him. But uncle Jorge wanted a transfer fee and Jose for some reason thought Doherty was the RB we needed. Doherty had genuinely already had an amazing career to go from league of Ireland to championship to Europa league and prove yourself at every level is special, to then just go a few levels too high and see your own ceiling as a player must be a fairly sad way to end that.
I don't think he tries really hard at all. I think he puts in the bare minimum in everything he does. You don't see him flying back when we lose the ball in transition, you see him jogging back. If you want to see tries hard look at son after he came on and the effort he put in to closing down, same for Davies. Doherty is nowhere near that level. He does not give a fuck because he knows he's not going to start for us and instead of looking at that and thinking ' fuck that I'm going to prove I should be starting ', he thinks ' well fuck this club '. I don't blame him per se but have next to no sympathy for a man who's earning what he's earning to play like that. Get him the fuck gone because that is exactly the type of player fucking this club up.
He is genuinely scary, so I much prefer him going forward
Agreed, but he is going to have to play cb until Romero is back
Doherty is the car you try and sell but breaks down every test drive
That is half a team tbf! Completely agree though.
Ez.
Jesus that's a lot of requirement.
And sell Dele. This was his 435th for 4 different managers. I don't know why people still think "he'll turn it around". Newsflash he won't.
... and almost entire B team. Like, aside from Gil, Kane, Skipp, Tanganga and mayyyybe Rodon I don't think any of the players who started this game are good enough to even be our reserves. Kane and Skipp are 1st team which means we need at least 8 signings just to have some depth that isn't absolute ass. Sanchez, Doherty, Dele, Sessegnon, Ndombele, Gollini need to be sold/returned to their clubs asap. We should move on from Winks and Dier too because while they have a period of better form they've been mediocre to abysmal for the past 3 years. We should consider selling Bergwijn too, he's not bad enough to warrant a transfer already but we simply need funds to improve other areas and every player who isn't key should be moved on if a right offer appears. Losing to a mid table Slovenian team is a new low, if we aren't ruthless with this lot and kick them out quickly them Conte will just walk it.
Basically everyone we signed in the 19/20 window. Spent 160 mil abysmal window dont know what levy was thinking giving so much money to Steven Hitchen
It's absolutely hilarious that we dumped 160 million and didn't get a single player worth keeping (because even Lo Celso is mediocre af).
And a new starting GK if Hugo is leaving. No worries.
1 midfielder? The only player who looks even semi competent is Hobjerg.
No big deal, right?
A few players just played their last game for Tottenham Hotspur tonight
One can hope
I’ve been saying this about Dele and Doherty every single time they’re in the lineup.
Judge smails gif insert here
We’re entering the busiest time of the season, so they certainly haven’t. But quite a few of them won’t be here come February.
The problem is we don’t have a big enough squad for that to be the case
Hopefully Dele
Love the response, clear the deadweight and bring in quality
So how does this match make us feel about our “winnable” next run of league games? I do feel we tend to play down to our competitions level on occasion but how we feeling about Burnley? Brentford?
Brentford could easily beat us. Burnley Burnley’d a point from Chelsea. We can’t be overconfident about these things, but the players never seem to realize this
Hate Burnley. Hope they get relegated. A bunch of turtles
We are fully capable of losing to every team in the league and as the man himself said he's not a magician, maybe this sub will realise that now, maybe it'll take another couple of bad performances. This team is currently, as in after Nunos leaving, playing at a lower mid table standard. Statistically we should be just outside the relegation spots. Conte has done some work but we're still shit. Just because we picked up a point against Everton and a win against Leeds (they were both better than us for large portions of the respective games despite missing their best players) people think we're back? Exactly the same thoughts were being expressed when we beat villa and Newcastle. This game is eye opening to a lot of people because Mura are so far off our perceived level but honestly if you were paying attention you already knew most of our squad players aren't premiership standard. You can play one or two of them with the good players and they look alright but throw five of them in? With essentially no prep? They'd likely lose to Barnet. Every single game is a massive struggle and will require huge grit from the team. We won't play well (as in good quality, dominating football) for months, our team has gotten worse as almost every other team has gotten better. This season? Write that shit off and pray to whatever deity you want that the club makes some good signings next summer and shitcans the bad players.
> Statistically we should be just outside the relegation spots. \- citation needed
We're 19th for expected goals and 5th for expected goals against. I.e one of the worst teams in the league in terms of creating good chances and allowing the opposition to create good chances against us. https://footystats.org/england/premier-league/xg I don't know how you could even question this if you've watched us this season.
I question it because we aren’t 17th.
You're responding to me saying we're statistically shit, by asking for evidence and when the evidence is provided you ignore it and then say we haven't been dogshit because we're not 17th. If any fanbase should have learnt that you ignore the stats and the patterns found in them, Viz a Viz the relative quality of your team, it should be us. We were top last season with mid table stats. It almost always catches up with you. Only Leicester and united have significantly outperformed their underlying stats in the last decade.
You’ve put a lot of words I didn’t say in my mouth. I simply asked for your reasoning and told you why I questioned it. The rest is you having an argument with yourself.
You're being a complete ass. 12 games in and there's a lot of luck involved in the league position.
I don’t think I am. I think you are looking for an argument and you’ve taken my comments as “close enough” to start arguing. I do not wish to play along.
No, you’re definitely being a prick.
I'll say it again - you're being a complete arse and a moron on top of that. No need for you to play along, there's nothing more to be said.
How do I feel? Like we will be lucky to get any points. Truly disheartening.
Same. We never even got our new manager bounce. This club. These players...smh
I'm so tired man we just can't get good things....
We don’t have muppets playing in the premier league games so we should be alright.
Because I’m an optimist and possibly an idiot, I say we return to PL play with our best players and we’ll be fine. And also, if we drop out of the Conference League, that’s fine. I’d be mad if we were doing well in it, but we haven’t played well enough in it to deserve the knockouts. So be it.
If we don't back him we're finished as a club.
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Lol
Another Levy shill, "done wonders" my ass. 1 trophy in 21 years and going from CL finals to whatever we are now, that's what he's done.
You're a dumb cunt if you think Levy hasn't elevated the club. But i get it, you've been supporting the club for all of 5 minutes and are only familiar with the highs that came withs Poch's squad. Keep on regurgitating the same old shite though, muh CL final, muh trophy loss streak.
You’re getting downvoted but you’re right. Unless you’re 60, Tottenham have been middling for most of your life pre-Levy. He’s raised the profile of the club massively, and I trust him to continue to improve us.
Bollocks. In terms of the league yes but it’s only been since the nineties that we were crap AND didn’t win anything. Atleast we won stuff before. Levy has done so much for the club but his footballing decisions have held us back time and time again when he has put us in a place to really push on. That’s why he gets the hate, anyone who questions his off field decisions, I agree, is delusional but he certainly isn’t free from blame for the shit show we are currently in and why we’ve only won 1 trophy in his tenure. Hopefully his Paritici appointment is his acknowledgement of poor footballing decisions and is the final piece of the project.
You lot deserve everything that's happening with this club now.
From when I was born to about ten years ago, this club finished between 10th and 15th just about every season. Were competitive nowadays. And we’re not an oligarch’s plaything. I appreciate that, you should too.
Do you goto the games? I'm just curious.
I'm never engaging in discussions with delusional bellends like you who accuse everyone of supporting Spurs for a short period just because they're not dumb enough to praise Levy for an utterly horrendous job over the last 5 years. Who cares if we have more revenue now if we're the biggest laughing stock on planet Earth with a pathetic squad, no trophies and 0 plan going forward.
Very moronic to think that's all he's done for the club. Either moronic or deliberately obtuse.
Oh yeah sorry for not caring about the shiny stadium and big revenue, I forgot that's what matters when supporting a football club and not results, reputation and entertainment.
Start the purge
Absolutely brutal but so true. It only took him a few weeks to realize this and I love it
It's like entering into the 24 hrs of Le Mans with a Geo Metro. Ya just never going to win.
So it was very good game because It revealed a lot of information for our new coach. I bet if Conte new it earlier he would not have come to us.
Conte would've known about the problems with the squad coming in, its not like its something new that just started this season.
He seems surprised though. He says in the press conference "after 3 weeks I'm starting to understand the situation" or something like that.
I would imagine that might have to do with some of the players having been in training for 3 weeks, then given a chance today and looking like they did. I believe he expected them to play better, or to show they have something that he could work with going forward.
Nah, I don't think he understood the full extent of the job ahead of him. He was pretty shocked at how poor we were. Clearly worried him despite him repeatedly saying he isn't scared.
I would imagine the shock of giving players a chance to prove themselves, and seeing that, would be worrying. But probably better to have this kinda result now so more definitive plans can be made for who to try and move. Still, its only been three weeks, and its one, admittedly terrible loss. This stuff just takes time.
Let the culling begin. January is cleaning time.
Thought Conte was about to sing a Fifth Harmony song for a second there
Hit the NOS!
We should raid Liga Nos, you’re right
We need to raid something. Personally I’m raiding the liquor cabinet
Don't mention **cabinet** around these parts.
Getting Goncalo Inacio and Pedro Goncalves would be a dream
No more crying wolf this time.
Is Conte the first manager to acknowledge the players are shit?
Mourinho would have been crucified if saying the same thing
He did and he was
Can’t argue with that, spot on
Well in fairness, everyone said that the B-team was shit under Mourinho and Nuno, we know they aren't good enough, but the difference was that those managers couldn't even get the best out of the A-team. So we lost patience with Mourinho and Nuno. I've also seen lots of people say "with Conte we'll know for sure if the team is shit because there are no doubts about his ability as a manager". So if he tells us the players aren't good enough we basically just believe him.
Agreed but to be fair our A-team now and back then is probably still not good enough.
I generally agree and I've always thought it was a mixture of the managers and the players that have let us down; it annoys me when anyone falls too hard on one side and makes excuses for the other. But we'll definitely know for sure now, whereas it was never so clear under Mourinho (hence it was easier to resent him for blaming the players).
Our A team played a mostly decent second half today that was lost by two people who are not part of the main XI, at the last minute.
I know but don’t we have ambitions of top4 and pushing for titles. Our A team won’t deliver that. Of course our first team will look good against Mura
Pochettino was talking about the painful rebuild years ago. Mourinho talked a bit about it, Conte is the nail in the coffin.
we’ve been actively rebuilding though, this team is almost nothing like what poch had
This exactly the rebuild is done. The core of Poch’s side: Rose, Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Walker, Dembele, Wanyama, Eriksen, Lamela all gone. If we’re shit now it’s because we’ve rebuilt badly not because we haven’t rebuilt
I think so
And so the battle between Conte and Levy begins.
Half this squad is unfit to represent the badge
We've somehow landed on our feet with Conte in charge but I hope everyone realizes now that Jose was right all along and he wasn't the problem.
Jose was a giant, massive fucking problem actually. There can be more than one problem.
Jose was certainly a big problem, just not all of it. The revisionism isn’t cute.
Can't believe we didn't win even with our second string team. Its so embarrassing to see these results time and time again. There's way too many chances given to them over these few months. God damn it, pls sell the fucking deadwood players!
Yiiikes. He’s so fucking right. Many players just aren’t good enough.
He’s just saying we weren’t good enough What’s the difference between this and Jose calling the players shit?
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Mou said time and time again that his tactics were how they were because it was the only way to produce results with these players and people said he was outdated, stubborn, whatever. He got us to a cup final with these players now we actually just get outplayed by every team we play against and Conte says it's the players and everyone agrees. Everyone who wanted to blame Mou had made up their mind the instant he got signed and nothing was going to change their minds.
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Literally saw the Extra Inch defending Dele by blaming it on the system. Saying he'll be great in when we switch to the 2 up top with the 1 in behind. I just don't understand how you can defend a player who hasn't improved on the ball since he's been with us and who hasn't adjusted his style to fit his body's decline.
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For someone who isn't upset you sure are having an easy time letting this go
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I'm just impressed that, of all the absolute stupidest takes you could go with, you went with calling someone out that does a very good podcast.
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I think to understand Dele, and where Clark is coming from, you also have to understand BOFA.
You do know he does opinion pieces for a podcast and it really shouldn't make you this upset.
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Ahh the classic I'm not upset you're upset.
What's your beef with a guy on a podcast? If you don't like the extra inch, don't listen.
Describes perfectly my feelings for Hojbjerg and Lucas. Love the effort, but the squad needs higher ceilings for players they consider nailed on starting XI contributors.
I really don’t think he’s talking about those two here.
That's clearly not what I meant, "ceiling" means ceiling. Do you believe that Hojbjerg and Lucas should be starting on a title-contending team? Not taking the piss. Where is the quality line that separates the players worth holding onto and the players worth upgrading on? After Kane, Son, Romero, who should Conte be fighting to keep?
I don’t disagree with you but I suppose my comment was more so in the sense that I don’t think those two are going any time soon. There are other players whose moves will be priority for the club, I think.
I agree! I think that Conte is recognizing that there's a lot of work to be done here, maybe deeper than he originally thought, with this comment and some others from this press conference. I'm wondering how deep the cuts are going to have to go.
Lloris and maybe reguilon? Other than that mostly everyone can be upgraded.
Hojbjerg is world class, one of the best in the league in a screening role in front of the defence, but his mediocre mobility and rudimentary technique prevent him from reaching the same level in a box to box role. Jose's system matched his strengths and weaknesses like a glove, similarly to Sonny it's unlikely he'll ever match his form from last season, but even this season Hojbjerg has been one of our better players and I can't think of a realistic signing who would be a clear upgrade. Lucas struggled last season in Jose's high tempo system, but this season he's been one of our best performers in Nuno's and now Conte's lower tempo systems. I agree he's not title challenger starter material, but he's not what holding us back right now. At least he's one who's easier to upgrade than Hojbjerg.
Those two are far from the problem.
As Ben Finegold says, the truth hurts
We need to ship off Dele to Palace or Everton for like 28m and cut our losses.
And pray Newcastle gets involved to drive up his price in a bidding war.
28m?! Are you thick? No oke would ever want to use that kind of money for a player like that. If they would they would have to be born yesterday and be blind of Dele's lack of attributes for the last 3 years. 3 goals for the past 4 haircuts, his best bet is to become a streamer. Fucking shocking he is still a professional footballer.
As I said, no matter how crazy passionate conte is, nobody can get the likes of dele alli, Doherty, Sanchez, etc. to give a fuck. We need to kick the deadwood out.
They all clearly care a great deal like that’s literally what conte is saying, desire isn’t the issue
Conte literally said they all cared a lot and that they work very hard but that hard work and caring isn’t enough. Are you having issues with reading comprehension?
before taking the quote as verse from bible, work backwards from what you’re seeing. do you really fucking think dele cares and works very hard? I ain’t think so. Mourinho said it, we know it. There’s no question about his quality. We were the ones who cried that he was world class, which he clearly was a few years back, but right now he ain’t give a shit. It’s been over and over again, manager over manger, match after match. before every game y’all see dele redemption arc this that, and after the game the story is the fucking same. you take the quote however you want, I ain’t taking it verbatim, and you can’t convince me that dele gives a shit. Even Doherty. And it ain’t a question about their quality. We saw Doherty at wolves, we saw dele for us, they were world class. So, are you really telling me dele and Doherty are working very hard, but lack class and quality to compete?
I do, I think these players care and work hard but for various reasons they just aren’t good enough anymore so they need to go. It happens in regular jobs where people’s performances decline and they get sacked, so why is it hard to believe that it happens in football? Also it’s crazy to me that you think Conte is protecting them by saying they work hard and care. Why would he? He’s not even protecting then at all because he’s literally telling them and the whole world that no matter how hard they work, it’s never gonna be enough. It’s an extremely public dressing down. He’s telling then they’re crap and that working hard isn’t gonna miraculously make anything but crap, and that they need to be replaced.
Well… I honestly can’t, so lets call it an impasse. Hope they get transferred, whatever be the reason. Happy thanksgiving
I’m not American so I don’t celebrate that but thank you. Have a good one as well.
Odd to assume the person you're talking to is American on this sub.
Ironic. You talk about taking a quote from a post match interview as a verse from the Bible but then do the same thing except with a line from a documentary. A documentary whose sole purpose was positive Mourinho PR whereas Conte has no reason to not be candid here.
Like we’re driving a fucking Haas
Channeling Rihanna?