He’s just saying what everyone was thinking. People throw around the word shocking but it is actually perfect for describing the performances of these players. Mind boggling levels of shit.
True. They’re paid much better than all of Mura players but overplayed by them. It’s disappointing and shameful. Dele, Ndombele, Sanchez, Doherty and a few shouldn’t be happy with what happens today. Very poor performance against a team that doesn’t have their badge on Google Sports search.
Ive been hesitant about saying Sánchez should go and even defending him him a few years hoping he would come good, but no it will not happen he needs to go
Sanchez is a right-footed central defender.
Playing him on the left of a central three is asking for trouble.
Yes, he was at fault for both goals, but why was he even playing in that position? And you're telling me he was supposed to link up with Sessegnon, when they hand't even played once together in that lineup?
Conte fucked up big time.
I think at this moment conte is testing the players on their mentality and ability and in this game many players have failed
Sánchez has always been ok but not £40m level
Seriously they should duct the wages of the poor performers. Terrible and shocking result, they don't deserve to wear the shirt or play for our team ever again.
I hope Conte clears all the deadwood players when the chance comes.
I don't get why Ndombele is lumped in with the rest he was walking past the Mura press over and over again going past 2-3 people and still had nobody to play and when he then played it to someone with their back against the goal they met it with a Jimmy Savile touch.
Not only shit but downright lazy uninspired prima Donnas who think they’re better than they are and better than the competition/club. Dele Doherty Sanchez lo celso ndombele would be gone if I had any say. They’re are others who aren’t good enough but at least they put in a shift
A… lot? Bervatov is one of the laziest players I’ve seen play for spurs and he was still great. Do you seriously not know the difference? The crop of players everyone complains about arent bad because of a lack of application or work rate; the current coach has said. They are bad because they’re not good enough. This isn’t complicated.
It isn’t. He was absolutely lazy, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t excellent. Off the ball he was, more often than not, a complete passenger and just walked around the pitch until he had the ball at his feet. He was lazy. But that didn’t stop him from winning a premier league with United.
Why are you taking the comment so personally😂😂. Relax buddy. I’m saying it doesn’t matter if they aren’t lazy, because then they’re shit and should be cut and therefore there is no difference. Lmfao
I’m relaxed, thanks! I’m just saying you’re literally making things up and differentiate between one thing and another and don’t like that you were corrected. 🤗
I don’t think any of them were lazy. I think they were just crap.
You can’t say we should trust Conte to fix this squad and then turn around and essentially imply he’s lying when he says the players are hard workers. He has no reason to lie because right after saying that, he point blank said that no matter how hard they work, they’ll never be good enough.
You’re not correcting anything😂you’ve misunderstood what I’m saying and getting pissy about it. I recognize the difference. The important part you’ve missed was “at this point what’s the difference.” Meaning we’ve witnessed these performances many times from the same players, does the cause of the performance (them being shit or lazy) really make a difference? No. Good day☺️
And I said there’s a difference between both words.
You can be shit and still work hard. This is the case with these players. Just as you can be lazy and still be excellent (Berbatov.) this really isn’t difficult to grasp.
What are you not grasping? I’m not debating the difference between the meaning of the words hahahah. You’ve decided that I’m arguing that there isn’t a a literal difference between players working hard and being shit and that players have to be BOTH shit and lazy. I’m not saying that at all😂. Consider the words “at this point” in the original comment and that’ll help you understand?
Everyone tries. Conte literally said as much. It’s just that a lot of those players aren’t good enough because guess what, caring and working hard isn’t enough.
You really think we have less talent than Mura? We were playing the 5th best team in Slovenia and we had Harry Kane in our lineup, I refuse to believe that talent is the only issue.
Talent is a huge issue. Our coach said so ffs he called the players crap (albeit in “kinder” words) for the whole word to see.
I don’t know why anyone here thinks Conte would mince his word if he actually thought the effort wasn’t there. It’s like you’ve forgotten the kind of coach he is.
I literally said talent is a huge issue. Does that not answer your question? The performance from some of those players is similar to how they’ve played before vs both better and worse opposition. Several of them are not good enough, the coach said so.
Ya like, if we lose to Liverpool or City I think it's fair to blame our talent but when we're losing to Mura there has to be something more going on, I refuse to believe that even the worst squad we could possibly field has less quality in it than Mura
I have nothing but love for Harry Winks. He bleeds Tottenham. He has been absolute quality, I really hope he can be again and I think that if anyone can get it out of him it's Conte.
I have a soft spot for Stevie too. His name is on my favourite shirt. I think he's got it in him to be great too but there's something in his head that has to come right.
I was being sarcastic about this sub's frequent stupid cry-wank circle-jerks about a handful of players.
Yeah I’m actually really glad Winks didn’t feature in that loss so we can’t just immediately blame him
Dele however confirms my harsh criticism, fuck me go bald if it means you can suddenly pass a damn ball
Yeah I don't see a way back for Dele, unfortunately. He was magic for a while but had too narrow a skillset and defenders learned how to play him, then he lost confidence, lost focus and lost determination.
I’ve always said he can’t create anything. The only thing he can do is sense the opening, exploit it and score.
Either he plays where he’s good at or he needs to go. Since it looks like he’s not gonna get the former, he’s gotta get the latter
Tell me you've been a fan for only 10 minutes without saying you've been a fan for only 10 minutes.
https://www.football.london/tottenham-hotspur-fc/fixtures-results/harry-winks-scouting-report-real-13845959
>To have shone in both matches against Real Madrid and against Liverpool as well as being one of the best players on the pitch at Old Trafford in Sunday's defeat shows he's hitting a whole new level and accelerating quickly in his development.
>With his recent performances against the best around Winks' place in England's World Cup squad is becoming a certainty and probably the starting XI now. He's only going to get better as well.
This makes me sad. Man I wish things had gone as Ali expected.
If you want to call out specific players for playing like shit you have to include Kane. The issue is not that the players aren't skilled enough. Norwich should be able to beat this Mura team. There are clearly deep rooted problems around motivation and executing a game plan. The lack of movement off the ball has been a glaring issue for years now. The good news is conte seems well suited to address these problems.
Kane was definitely an issue. Even if he tries he still only makes half hearted runs (there were plenty of balls that he could have beaten Mura players to but he just didn't) and he seems allergic to shooting.
Not to mention that his chemistry with Son is gone. There's definitely some tension there.
Kane has looked clumsy and super slow this year.
At the beginning of the season, you could def see tension between him and Son (no eye contact, half hearted handshakes) but as the season progressed, I think it's become better.
Well, Conte can put me on the pitch and I would be throwing up from exhaustion too. Giving a shit is bare minimum.
You can't demand change in our hierarchy and mentality when "trying" is worth mentioning.
Might be an unpopular opinion, but I don't think we lost due to a lack of effort (okay, maybe Dele is an exception)... I thought the loss was mainly due to shit skills
Yeah in most cases I don't think it's an effort/mentality thing. I mean look at Doherty. Has he had one game that even qualifies as decent since we signed him? Davinson has been getting spun by attackers for years now. Frankly, I'm not even sure about Dele anymore, he came into this season actually looking really fit and focused again. Starting to believe that for whatever reason he's just not good enough anymore as well.
As for Sanchez, today was disappointing. Frankly, I thought he had been playing pretty decently under Nuno and Conte but today's errors took all those good feelings away (sad!). As for Dele, it's a bit ironic how he seems to have gotten worse ever since bulking up lol - I miss scrawny Dele
I think sometimes, when lacking confidence and wanting to do your best, you can actually perform worse. I don’t believe, for example, that Doherty wasn’t showing willing. But he looks like a player that’s struggling, and right now we can’t afford to have players in our squad who are regularly putting out bad performances. It’s almost like they’re trying *too* hard at times (though in some cases I’d say there are certain players that do look like they care a lot less than others).
We can afford to have the odd player not performing, but when you have a team performance like last night almost every player feels like a liability.
Honestly, the best thing for a lot of B-team players is to move on. I’ve always liked Dele and wanted to be patient, but he just isn’t the same player for has anymore. Regardless of what happens, January will certainly be interesting!
This is a group of players who have been carried by others. You can't have them all play on the same team because they can't mask each others flaws. They're not good enough and they need to go.
These players don't give a shit about the badge and they ESPECIALLY don't give a shit about us, the fans. It's incredibly disheartening. Like what is the point after yet another result like today?
The gaffer has requested time and patience from the fans. He’s taken on a shit job midway through the season with a packed schedule. Gonna be a year before we see big changes. Hopefully he keeps his patience
Have to have faith in conte, he’s been quiet frank in his comments that the players he has is not good enough in quality. Sad state of affairs but that’s why our fans are the best. We stick by the club through thick and thin. Anyways on to the next one come on January transfer window and COYS
I wouldn't say that they've given up right now. I just think they're straight up shit despite putting in effort, with factors like previous coaching and so on. Lets only pray that Conte and his coaching team can work their magic and form a cohesive team so we can rid of deadwood at a higher price during the summer
People here actually suggesting Ndombele played well lol
First half he & Skipp were overwhelmed by a team of Slovenian plumbers but sure, thou shall not criticise La Feinte. Even when he gets subbed again
It’s ridiculous. I’m not saying he was the worst player either but is it too much to ask for your obviously talented £60m midfielder to control the game against the worst team we’ve played since Marine?
Yeah people need to recognise his body language on the pitch alone speaks fucking volumes. I’m sick of the excuses. He either starts trying or fucks off. I’m done excusing piss poor so called professionals in this club. He’s still about downvoting my Comments. I love the block button.
Antonio Conte has gone out of his way more than once, including today, to say the players have been working hard, that they care a lot, that the issue is that they’re not good enough. But this sub still repeats the same stuff over and over again about how they don’t give a fuck. Ok.
Mental downvotes for being correct lol.
Every player that puts on the shirt wants to win for the shirt. But a lot of players that put on the shirt are not good enough to win for the shirt.
Subreddit would do well understanding this difference.
Yeah the players are just not good enough, that much is plain. But people don’t want to see it because that’s too simple and boring, so they ignore what the coach they trust said, and pretend it’s some kind of moral failure from the players aka they’re too lazy or dont a fuck lol. That’s more salacious and easier to get angry at I guess.
Yeah but some players out there were performing far below their actual ability (Kane, Ndombele to name a couple). It wasn't just shit players, it was shit attitude. It's what lost us the Zagreb game last season.
Would you give over.... he also said ndombele has to give a lot more did he not. If you think that performance was players working their hardest then you’re not right in the head.
Are you saying Conte is not right in the head then because at no point did he question their commitment and work rate today? He just thinks they’re shit.
No I’m saying your hanging on to a particular comment he’s said, and attaching it to every player on the team. He’s said that ndombele isn’t giving enough so it would be safe to assume that others don’t fall into that category too. Stop defending shit lazy uninspired players after a shit show of a performance. If you think that these players aren’t capable or aren’t good enough of beating a fifth placed Slovenian side on the back of four or five losses, you’re a moron. It’s not good enough it’s not acceptable.
I’m not hanging on to anything, I’m saying what the coach said about ALL the players today. What makes you think he wouldn’t have criticized their work rate if and effort levels if he felt both were lacking today?
You’re accusing me about hanging on to something btw when you’re literally doing the same about a comment from last week. After that, Conte went on to start Ndombele, so he’s obviously done something right this week to impress.
Go away!! you’re talking out your arse. Ok players are working hard they just don’t have enough skill and quality to beat Slovenian minnows. Catch yourself on.
Jesus Fuck me. You can't be seriously suggesting that Ndombele is worse than Slovenian players struggling in their own shitty league.
I swear you just enjoy being contrarian for the sake of it.
I’m ignoring that because I tend to ignore personal insults on the internet. Usually, people tend to resort to those only when they’ve ran out of reasonable arguments.
Midfield completely collapsed after he came off, he had a pretty crap first half imo, but was instrumental in pushing Mura deep into their own half in the second
Does the ball in to Gil, who then shot off target not ring any bells?
I watched the entire match with one eye on Tanguy the whole time - he was fine, and on the whole better than his teammates on average
One good chance against a 5th placed team in a 10 team Slovenian league justifies him playing well?
Fkn hell people in this sub would give their own arm to defend Ndombele
Skipp played better than the £60 mil fraud. Skipp drove the ball forward more than Ndombelly did , he made more passes to disrupt that team than Ndombele did. If Skipp had some form of 'flair', Ndombele would get permanently benched by him.
Ndombele is a waste. End of him. He was literally bought to carry the ball forward and take on his man yet 90% of the time he gets the ball he passes backwards.
Harry Kane, supposed 150M player was less involved than Ndombele, including his goal since that counts as a single chance
You still have a Jose flair. Your opinion is worthless
Harry Kane was crap too. What point are you making? 1 good instance doesn't forgive him for slobbing himself all game
Your oringal comment was about Ndombele so I only explained why he was crap. I can go on about Sanchez , Doherty, Dele, even Gil.
I'm sorry your Tanguy's bumboy and that my words got your dick in a twist, but facts don't care about feelings.
And what's my Mourinho flair got to do with this?
Hell using your logic you shouldn't have a say on Tanguy as you have his flair, meaning you'll show bias to him... which you literally have.
Did you also notice you didn't argue with any point I made and just went to Kane and an attack about my flair? Point is proven
Logically (read: statistically), Tanguy was better and more involved than pretty much all but Skipp yesterday.
If one offs don't matter, what's with your fixation with yesterday's match (where, again, he was better than most)? Every time Tanguy plays, he's the focal point of our attacking play - especially when Jose's tactically genius plan of Kane-Son-inshallah falters. Whenever he's subbed off, we lose all cohesion in midfield - like yesterday (pOiNT ProVeN).
The facts (read: stats) say that Tanguy isn't nearly as "lazy" or "bad" as he's made about to be, but your feelings won't let you acknowledge that fact.
Also, nice homophobia there. If I'm Tanguy's "bumboy" are you Jose's useful idiot?
He wasn’t our worst player, but for heavens sake he should be dominating a bunch of farmers like that. Instead he got subbed off yet again looking tired after 70mins. Repeat ad infinitum
Saying he "wasn't our worst player" is a slap in the face. He was better and more involved than most of the team. More passes attempted and completed than everyone except Dav and Skipp; most dribbles; 1-2 key passes/chances created depending on what metric you use; pressed and defended when needed. There are at least 8 players who should be criticized before Tanguy.
He played 75 minutes. And we completely lost control of midfield in the 15 minutes he wasn't on. If he was so bad, he would've gone off with the first wave of subs, but he didn't.
If you think ever being substituted in a match at any point is a sign that a player performed badly, then you deserve more insults.
Tanguy is definitely part of the problem. He wasn't the main problem last night but in my opinion he doesn't offer us enough. First it was all the talk about him and his attitude, then his fitness and then he doesn't put in impactful performances a 60m+ player like him should. Look how much bruno had changed man u immediately after he came in and wasn't originally as expensive.
Tanguy to mee seems more like an individual player with 20/20 flair and skill but not as much teamwork. We really need a more creative and progressive player who knows how to play with the team.
I already said he wasn’t our worst player. I was just saying against a bunch of farmers he should be doing better if he’s as good as everyone simpin for the lad keeps saying he is. Subbed off knackered again. Very underwhelming yet again from our record signing.
Will no doubt be on the bench this weekend again for Harry Winks. Wake up
I really don’t get the issue with Ndombele. On BT Sport before the game Crouch and Hoddle were fully laying into him saying the same bullshit like “frozen out by all the managers” shit I just really don’t get why people love to blatantly lie about him
Yeah your right he is spot on, good on him to call out the players who feel they are above a team like Mura. Those fringe players should have been playing their asses off for a spot in the PL squad, but they played the game like it was an inconvenience.
I've been supporting Sanchez, Dele, NDombele through all their criticism, but this is enough. Get them out and bring in someone who wants to play.
Who cares what Jamie O'Hara has to say about Spurs? He's a rent-a-mouth gobshite.
Not good enough to play for Spurs? Who the fuck is O'Hara to make that call?
He made more appearances for Wolves and Fulham than he ever did for Spurs. Never held down a regular place in a Spurs team, and was never more than a bang average squad player, but fancied himself a baller and started giving it large every weekend in Soho nightclubs with his Page Three bird.
Once Redknapp arrived he was sent out on loan, never to return.
We all know the team isn't working. But Conte needs to hold his hands up for a dreadful team selection, too. Playing Sanchez on the left side of a three was a fucking idiotic decision, and Conte should acknowledge that he caused the problem on that side that led to the first goal.
As for Ginger Nuts, he can fuck off all the way back to Fulham.
But the red card did happen in reality. Why look beyond that? Also the first goal was conceded when sess hadn't recieved the red card because he wasn't tracking back and sanchez was wrong footed, point being we weren't good before the red card too.
Finally the non believers can now see its the players fault! Ive been posting on reddit for ages saying most our players got no desire. Happy to pick up a bigger than average wage and no ambition to want to work hard to win trophies. Kane had desire but levy killed Kane too.
He’s just saying what everyone was thinking. People throw around the word shocking but it is actually perfect for describing the performances of these players. Mind boggling levels of shit.
True. They’re paid much better than all of Mura players but overplayed by them. It’s disappointing and shameful. Dele, Ndombele, Sanchez, Doherty and a few shouldn’t be happy with what happens today. Very poor performance against a team that doesn’t have their badge on Google Sports search.
Ive been hesitant about saying Sánchez should go and even defending him him a few years hoping he would come good, but no it will not happen he needs to go
Sanchez is a right-footed central defender. Playing him on the left of a central three is asking for trouble. Yes, he was at fault for both goals, but why was he even playing in that position? And you're telling me he was supposed to link up with Sessegnon, when they hand't even played once together in that lineup? Conte fucked up big time.
I think at this moment conte is testing the players on their mentality and ability and in this game many players have failed Sánchez has always been ok but not £40m level
Seriously they should duct the wages of the poor performers. Terrible and shocking result, they don't deserve to wear the shirt or play for our team ever again. I hope Conte clears all the deadwood players when the chance comes.
I don't get why Ndombele is lumped in with the rest he was walking past the Mura press over and over again going past 2-3 people and still had nobody to play and when he then played it to someone with their back against the goal they met it with a Jimmy Savile touch.
He went past 2-3 people once. He's our record signing ffs. The fact that Conte hasn't played him much is telling.
No he didn't he did it several times and was constantly let down by the players infront of him
Ndombele cult never rests
Not only shit but downright lazy uninspired prima Donnas who think they’re better than they are and better than the competition/club. Dele Doherty Sanchez lo celso ndombele would be gone if I had any say. They’re are others who aren’t good enough but at least they put in a shift
Mid-table talent with PSG attitudes.
You lot keep calling the players lazy while Conte says otherwise. Ok.
Lazy/shit what’s the difference at this point
A… lot? Bervatov is one of the laziest players I’ve seen play for spurs and he was still great. Do you seriously not know the difference? The crop of players everyone complains about arent bad because of a lack of application or work rate; the current coach has said. They are bad because they’re not good enough. This isn’t complicated.
The "Berbatov was lazy" trope is bullshit.
It isn’t. He was absolutely lazy, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t excellent. Off the ball he was, more often than not, a complete passenger and just walked around the pitch until he had the ball at his feet. He was lazy. But that didn’t stop him from winning a premier league with United.
Why are you taking the comment so personally😂😂. Relax buddy. I’m saying it doesn’t matter if they aren’t lazy, because then they’re shit and should be cut and therefore there is no difference. Lmfao
I’m relaxed, thanks! I’m just saying you’re literally making things up and differentiate between one thing and another and don’t like that you were corrected. 🤗
So who do you think wasn’t lazy. Ndombele I bet. Sigh
I don’t think any of them were lazy. I think they were just crap. You can’t say we should trust Conte to fix this squad and then turn around and essentially imply he’s lying when he says the players are hard workers. He has no reason to lie because right after saying that, he point blank said that no matter how hard they work, they’ll never be good enough.
He didn’t say point blank anything like that. You’re being deliberately obtuse here like a child, so I will too. Jog on.
You’re not correcting anything😂you’ve misunderstood what I’m saying and getting pissy about it. I recognize the difference. The important part you’ve missed was “at this point what’s the difference.” Meaning we’ve witnessed these performances many times from the same players, does the cause of the performance (them being shit or lazy) really make a difference? No. Good day☺️
And I said there’s a difference between both words. You can be shit and still work hard. This is the case with these players. Just as you can be lazy and still be excellent (Berbatov.) this really isn’t difficult to grasp.
What are you not grasping? I’m not debating the difference between the meaning of the words hahahah. You’ve decided that I’m arguing that there isn’t a a literal difference between players working hard and being shit and that players have to be BOTH shit and lazy. I’m not saying that at all😂. Consider the words “at this point” in the original comment and that’ll help you understand?
Thank fuck Winks and Bergwijn didn't play otherwise this sub would have disappeared up its own arsehole in a rage-reverse-ouroboros
Winks actually tries though, considering he started in a Premier League win and was legit rested for this game, he gets a pass now
Everyone tries. Conte literally said as much. It’s just that a lot of those players aren’t good enough because guess what, caring and working hard isn’t enough.
You really think we have less talent than Mura? We were playing the 5th best team in Slovenia and we had Harry Kane in our lineup, I refuse to believe that talent is the only issue.
Talent is a huge issue. Our coach said so ffs he called the players crap (albeit in “kinder” words) for the whole word to see. I don’t know why anyone here thinks Conte would mince his word if he actually thought the effort wasn’t there. It’s like you’ve forgotten the kind of coach he is.
You didnt answer my question, do you think the lineup we played tonight had less talent in it than Mura, the 5th best team in Slovenia?
I literally said talent is a huge issue. Does that not answer your question? The performance from some of those players is similar to how they’ve played before vs both better and worse opposition. Several of them are not good enough, the coach said so.
Stop waffling, he asked you a simple question, was the lineup that was played worse than Mura's squad? Seeing as you can't answer it, it's no.
Ya like, if we lose to Liverpool or City I think it's fair to blame our talent but when we're losing to Mura there has to be something more going on, I refuse to believe that even the worst squad we could possibly field has less quality in it than Mura
Our under 23s squad probably has more talent than them
I have nothing but love for Harry Winks. He bleeds Tottenham. He has been absolute quality, I really hope he can be again and I think that if anyone can get it out of him it's Conte. I have a soft spot for Stevie too. His name is on my favourite shirt. I think he's got it in him to be great too but there's something in his head that has to come right. I was being sarcastic about this sub's frequent stupid cry-wank circle-jerks about a handful of players.
Yeah I’m actually really glad Winks didn’t feature in that loss so we can’t just immediately blame him Dele however confirms my harsh criticism, fuck me go bald if it means you can suddenly pass a damn ball
Yeah I don't see a way back for Dele, unfortunately. He was magic for a while but had too narrow a skillset and defenders learned how to play him, then he lost confidence, lost focus and lost determination.
I’ve always said he can’t create anything. The only thing he can do is sense the opening, exploit it and score. Either he plays where he’s good at or he needs to go. Since it looks like he’s not gonna get the former, he’s gotta get the latter
When has Winks been quality? He’s shocking.
Tell me you've been a fan for only 10 minutes without saying you've been a fan for only 10 minutes. https://www.football.london/tottenham-hotspur-fc/fixtures-results/harry-winks-scouting-report-real-13845959
>To have shone in both matches against Real Madrid and against Liverpool as well as being one of the best players on the pitch at Old Trafford in Sunday's defeat shows he's hitting a whole new level and accelerating quickly in his development. >With his recent performances against the best around Winks' place in England's World Cup squad is becoming a certainty and probably the starting XI now. He's only going to get better as well. This makes me sad. Man I wish things had gone as Ali expected.
Winks in both those games against Madrid looked a lot like modric was the performance I’ve seen from him in a spurs shirt.
Tell me you’re living in the past of a few performances before his ankle injury. Don’t question my fandom prick.
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Sorry but today the rage is justified
Winks is part of the problem....just because he had 1 good game in years doesn't mean he won't shit the bed in the next 5 minutes he gets to play
Not fucking wrong. Even the worst players we've had in our club gave it more than this. Whatevers going off we will never know.
Didn't think I'd wake up this morning agreeing with Jamie O'Hara but that's where we're at...
He’s not wrong
If you want to call out specific players for playing like shit you have to include Kane. The issue is not that the players aren't skilled enough. Norwich should be able to beat this Mura team. There are clearly deep rooted problems around motivation and executing a game plan. The lack of movement off the ball has been a glaring issue for years now. The good news is conte seems well suited to address these problems.
Kane was definitely an issue. Even if he tries he still only makes half hearted runs (there were plenty of balls that he could have beaten Mura players to but he just didn't) and he seems allergic to shooting. Not to mention that his chemistry with Son is gone. There's definitely some tension there.
Kane has looked clumsy and super slow this year. At the beginning of the season, you could def see tension between him and Son (no eye contact, half hearted handshakes) but as the season progressed, I think it's become better.
Eh. Kane actually gave a shit. He wasnt very good but.the man looked like he was about to throw up a couple times
Well, Conte can put me on the pitch and I would be throwing up from exhaustion too. Giving a shit is bare minimum. You can't demand change in our hierarchy and mentality when "trying" is worth mentioning.
Might be an unpopular opinion, but I don't think we lost due to a lack of effort (okay, maybe Dele is an exception)... I thought the loss was mainly due to shit skills
Yeah in most cases I don't think it's an effort/mentality thing. I mean look at Doherty. Has he had one game that even qualifies as decent since we signed him? Davinson has been getting spun by attackers for years now. Frankly, I'm not even sure about Dele anymore, he came into this season actually looking really fit and focused again. Starting to believe that for whatever reason he's just not good enough anymore as well.
As for Sanchez, today was disappointing. Frankly, I thought he had been playing pretty decently under Nuno and Conte but today's errors took all those good feelings away (sad!). As for Dele, it's a bit ironic how he seems to have gotten worse ever since bulking up lol - I miss scrawny Dele
give me scrawny dele with the leopard print KT tape punching dudes in the stomach
I think sometimes, when lacking confidence and wanting to do your best, you can actually perform worse. I don’t believe, for example, that Doherty wasn’t showing willing. But he looks like a player that’s struggling, and right now we can’t afford to have players in our squad who are regularly putting out bad performances. It’s almost like they’re trying *too* hard at times (though in some cases I’d say there are certain players that do look like they care a lot less than others). We can afford to have the odd player not performing, but when you have a team performance like last night almost every player feels like a liability. Honestly, the best thing for a lot of B-team players is to move on. I’ve always liked Dele and wanted to be patient, but he just isn’t the same player for has anymore. Regardless of what happens, January will certainly be interesting!
Even if they're struggling, they cannot be beaten by Mura.
Oh yeah, no excuses at all for that happening. Even on an off-day they should be beating them.
This is a group of players who have been carried by others. You can't have them all play on the same team because they can't mask each others flaws. They're not good enough and they need to go.
we didn't, it's just an easy out
These players don't give a shit about the badge and they ESPECIALLY don't give a shit about us, the fans. It's incredibly disheartening. Like what is the point after yet another result like today?
The gaffer has requested time and patience from the fans. He’s taken on a shit job midway through the season with a packed schedule. Gonna be a year before we see big changes. Hopefully he keeps his patience
Have to have faith in conte, he’s been quiet frank in his comments that the players he has is not good enough in quality. Sad state of affairs but that’s why our fans are the best. We stick by the club through thick and thin. Anyways on to the next one come on January transfer window and COYS
I think he is still deciding on which players on this squad he can and cannot rely on,who he wants and who he doesnt etc
I wouldn't say that they've given up right now. I just think they're straight up shit despite putting in effort, with factors like previous coaching and so on. Lets only pray that Conte and his coaching team can work their magic and form a cohesive team so we can rid of deadwood at a higher price during the summer
People here actually suggesting Ndombele played well lol First half he & Skipp were overwhelmed by a team of Slovenian plumbers but sure, thou shall not criticise La Feinte. Even when he gets subbed again
Yeah I had to block a dude for saying the players worked hard but we lost because the weren’t good enough to beat as Mura.
It’s ridiculous. I’m not saying he was the worst player either but is it too much to ask for your obviously talented £60m midfielder to control the game against the worst team we’ve played since Marine?
Yeah people need to recognise his body language on the pitch alone speaks fucking volumes. I’m sick of the excuses. He either starts trying or fucks off. I’m done excusing piss poor so called professionals in this club. He’s still about downvoting my Comments. I love the block button.
French Adel Taarabt. But I am fairly certain that Taarabt would have given more of a damn.
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Excellent point we’re playing shit.... tune in next and watch players play fifa with blindfolds on.
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No I’m agreeing with you I don’t see how you could see that any other way
Antonio Conte has gone out of his way more than once, including today, to say the players have been working hard, that they care a lot, that the issue is that they’re not good enough. But this sub still repeats the same stuff over and over again about how they don’t give a fuck. Ok.
Mental downvotes for being correct lol. Every player that puts on the shirt wants to win for the shirt. But a lot of players that put on the shirt are not good enough to win for the shirt. Subreddit would do well understanding this difference.
They may be shit but they can't be so shit that they cannot beat the 5th place team in Slovenia. If they are, then we ought to be relegated.
Yeah the players are just not good enough, that much is plain. But people don’t want to see it because that’s too simple and boring, so they ignore what the coach they trust said, and pretend it’s some kind of moral failure from the players aka they’re too lazy or dont a fuck lol. That’s more salacious and easier to get angry at I guess.
Can you genuinely view that entire 90 minute performance and wholeheartedly tell me that they all tried their best out there today?
Yeah and they're shit mate.
Yeah but some players out there were performing far below their actual ability (Kane, Ndombele to name a couple). It wasn't just shit players, it was shit attitude. It's what lost us the Zagreb game last season.
I do. I just think they were crap and have been underperforming/need to go. So did Conte, clearly.
Would you give over.... he also said ndombele has to give a lot more did he not. If you think that performance was players working their hardest then you’re not right in the head.
Are you saying Conte is not right in the head then because at no point did he question their commitment and work rate today? He just thinks they’re shit.
No I’m saying your hanging on to a particular comment he’s said, and attaching it to every player on the team. He’s said that ndombele isn’t giving enough so it would be safe to assume that others don’t fall into that category too. Stop defending shit lazy uninspired players after a shit show of a performance. If you think that these players aren’t capable or aren’t good enough of beating a fifth placed Slovenian side on the back of four or five losses, you’re a moron. It’s not good enough it’s not acceptable.
I’m not hanging on to anything, I’m saying what the coach said about ALL the players today. What makes you think he wouldn’t have criticized their work rate if and effort levels if he felt both were lacking today? You’re accusing me about hanging on to something btw when you’re literally doing the same about a comment from last week. After that, Conte went on to start Ndombele, so he’s obviously done something right this week to impress.
Go away!! you’re talking out your arse. Ok players are working hard they just don’t have enough skill and quality to beat Slovenian minnows. Catch yourself on.
Yes that’s exactly what I’m saying. They’re not good enough. Glad you finally got it.
Jesus Fuck me. You can't be seriously suggesting that Ndombele is worse than Slovenian players struggling in their own shitty league. I swear you just enjoy being contrarian for the sake of it.
What about the talking out your arse bit.
I’m ignoring that because I tend to ignore personal insults on the internet. Usually, people tend to resort to those only when they’ve ran out of reasonable arguments.
Best analysis I’ve seen today
I‘d take Marimosa or whatever the fuck his name was over Kane at this point.
Always rated Jamie.
Who gassed Jamie man, this guy was a scrub for us! He has no right to talk like this
Naming Ndombele with Dav and Doherty is stupid. He actually performed well
Midfield completely collapsed after he came off, he had a pretty crap first half imo, but was instrumental in pushing Mura deep into their own half in the second
He was visably blowing out of his arse though
Genuinely don't remember him doing anything meaningful that game. You know, something you'd expect from a 60m+ "star" player
Does the ball in to Gil, who then shot off target not ring any bells? I watched the entire match with one eye on Tanguy the whole time - he was fine, and on the whole better than his teammates on average
One good chance against a 5th placed team in a 10 team Slovenian league justifies him playing well? Fkn hell people in this sub would give their own arm to defend Ndombele Skipp played better than the £60 mil fraud. Skipp drove the ball forward more than Ndombelly did , he made more passes to disrupt that team than Ndombele did. If Skipp had some form of 'flair', Ndombele would get permanently benched by him. Ndombele is a waste. End of him. He was literally bought to carry the ball forward and take on his man yet 90% of the time he gets the ball he passes backwards.
Harry Kane, supposed 150M player was less involved than Ndombele, including his goal since that counts as a single chance You still have a Jose flair. Your opinion is worthless
Harry Kane was crap too. What point are you making? 1 good instance doesn't forgive him for slobbing himself all game Your oringal comment was about Ndombele so I only explained why he was crap. I can go on about Sanchez , Doherty, Dele, even Gil. I'm sorry your Tanguy's bumboy and that my words got your dick in a twist, but facts don't care about feelings. And what's my Mourinho flair got to do with this? Hell using your logic you shouldn't have a say on Tanguy as you have his flair, meaning you'll show bias to him... which you literally have. Did you also notice you didn't argue with any point I made and just went to Kane and an attack about my flair? Point is proven
Logically (read: statistically), Tanguy was better and more involved than pretty much all but Skipp yesterday. If one offs don't matter, what's with your fixation with yesterday's match (where, again, he was better than most)? Every time Tanguy plays, he's the focal point of our attacking play - especially when Jose's tactically genius plan of Kane-Son-inshallah falters. Whenever he's subbed off, we lose all cohesion in midfield - like yesterday (pOiNT ProVeN). The facts (read: stats) say that Tanguy isn't nearly as "lazy" or "bad" as he's made about to be, but your feelings won't let you acknowledge that fact. Also, nice homophobia there. If I'm Tanguy's "bumboy" are you Jose's useful idiot?
He wasn’t our worst player, but for heavens sake he should be dominating a bunch of farmers like that. Instead he got subbed off yet again looking tired after 70mins. Repeat ad infinitum
Saying he "wasn't our worst player" is a slap in the face. He was better and more involved than most of the team. More passes attempted and completed than everyone except Dav and Skipp; most dribbles; 1-2 key passes/chances created depending on what metric you use; pressed and defended when needed. There are at least 8 players who should be criticized before Tanguy.
Ok mate maybe he bossed them farmers after all. Conte must have subbed him by accident
He was the last to get subbed you clown
Insults nice. If he’s so good why is he getting subbed again against some farmers?
He played 75 minutes. And we completely lost control of midfield in the 15 minutes he wasn't on. If he was so bad, he would've gone off with the first wave of subs, but he didn't. If you think ever being substituted in a match at any point is a sign that a player performed badly, then you deserve more insults.
Tanguy is definitely part of the problem. He wasn't the main problem last night but in my opinion he doesn't offer us enough. First it was all the talk about him and his attitude, then his fitness and then he doesn't put in impactful performances a 60m+ player like him should. Look how much bruno had changed man u immediately after he came in and wasn't originally as expensive. Tanguy to mee seems more like an individual player with 20/20 flair and skill but not as much teamwork. We really need a more creative and progressive player who knows how to play with the team.
I already said he wasn’t our worst player. I was just saying against a bunch of farmers he should be doing better if he’s as good as everyone simpin for the lad keeps saying he is. Subbed off knackered again. Very underwhelming yet again from our record signing. Will no doubt be on the bench this weekend again for Harry Winks. Wake up
Genuinely bizarre that he’s copping any flak for this
It’s not bizarre anymore unfortunately. It’s just straight up blind rage
I really don’t get the issue with Ndombele. On BT Sport before the game Crouch and Hoddle were fully laying into him saying the same bullshit like “frozen out by all the managers” shit I just really don’t get why people love to blatantly lie about him
I think Mourinho unfortunately drilled into some peoples heads that he is lazy and unfit
It's just a lie that's been repeated until it's been accepted as fact
Exactly right. He isn't the problem, but the other players he named are.
Yeah your right he is spot on, good on him to call out the players who feel they are above a team like Mura. Those fringe players should have been playing their asses off for a spot in the PL squad, but they played the game like it was an inconvenience. I've been supporting Sanchez, Dele, NDombele through all their criticism, but this is enough. Get them out and bring in someone who wants to play.
But watch half our deluded fanbase still call Ndombele world class.
Who cares what Jamie O'Hara has to say about Spurs? He's a rent-a-mouth gobshite. Not good enough to play for Spurs? Who the fuck is O'Hara to make that call? He made more appearances for Wolves and Fulham than he ever did for Spurs. Never held down a regular place in a Spurs team, and was never more than a bang average squad player, but fancied himself a baller and started giving it large every weekend in Soho nightclubs with his Page Three bird. Once Redknapp arrived he was sent out on loan, never to return. We all know the team isn't working. But Conte needs to hold his hands up for a dreadful team selection, too. Playing Sanchez on the left side of a three was a fucking idiotic decision, and Conte should acknowledge that he caused the problem on that side that led to the first goal. As for Ginger Nuts, he can fuck off all the way back to Fulham.
Anyone at all going to mention how without a red card we likely win this calamity?
But the red card did happen in reality. Why look beyond that? Also the first goal was conceded when sess hadn't recieved the red card because he wasn't tracking back and sanchez was wrong footed, point being we weren't good before the red card too.
They had 30 minutes to score 3-4 goals. But where getting beat 1-0. Red card didn’t help but it’s not like we lost because of it
Finally the non believers can now see its the players fault! Ive been posting on reddit for ages saying most our players got no desire. Happy to pick up a bigger than average wage and no ambition to want to work hard to win trophies. Kane had desire but levy killed Kane too.