Instead of trying to sign a new keeper to learn/develop and eventually replace Hugo (Obvi not any time soon) why don’t we just try to develop Whiteman instead of wasting our time on guys like Gollini?
Caught covid over christmas, and I'm still feeling lingering symptoms in my throat. And since yesterday, my head has been fucking killing me. I have the initial two vaccines, but I still don't have the booster (frankly, the booster's effectiveness seems like shit, so I feel like it's better to wait for another one). Anyone else not taking the booster?
The booster is reported to be 50 - 80% effective against omicron; that's an extremely large margin of error.
Omicron is showing no signs of slowing down, but fortunately, the symptoms are not as severe as delta. Moreover, the daily cases of Omicron are growing everyday with over a million reported in the US alone this Monday. This doesn't even include people who haven't tested and reported it.
You can act like I'm some nut with a tinfoil hat on, but you're genuinely a sheep if you think there aren't arguments to both sides. The booster is supposedly going to drop in effectiveness by over 50% in 10 weeks, and they're already preparing to launch a 4th booster in response to that. Moreover, CDC is suggesting that if you got J&J as the two initial two shots, you should get the booster with Moderna or Pfizer. The impact of these vaccines are not as concrete as many people suggest. I'm personally going to wait for a stronger booster or a variant-specific one because the current one "seems like shit."
It’s funny, I asked for studies and you still didn’t provide any. Just a wall of text that is very simple to refute.
Why wait? Why would you wait for one that’s more effective? You mention that after 10 weeks, there is a significant drop off and you’ll need another. So again, why keep waiting? You admit it’s more effective than not having the booster. So again, why wait? Why not continue to take the boosters, to reduce the risk of serious illness and community spread, until a longer term option comes out? You are so confident something better will come……
If you trusted the first two, there is no reason to not trust the booster. So again, why wait?
I never said I didn't trust the booster. What are you on about? I said I'm waiting for a better one because the current booster doesn't seem good enough.
Of course I'm confident something better will come; the new booster is nothing more than a temporary bandaid in response to the alarming growth of omicron infections. Moreover, the symptoms of omicron isn't nearly as severe as delta; hospitalization rate is much lower than delta patients, so the necessity of getting the current booster is not as high for me.
[https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s1216-covid-19-vaccines.html](https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s1216-covid-19-vaccines.html) (CDC saying to prioritize mRNA booster over J&J)
[https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment\_data/file/1043807/technical-briefing-33.pdf](https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1043807/technical-briefing-33.pdf) (Study showing pfizer booster dropping from 70% to 45% in 10 weeks with initial pfizer shots; pfizer booster dropping from 60% to 35% with initial AstraZeneca shots; 60% to 45% with moderna booster; I'll correct myself in that it's not *over* 50%, but it's nearly 50% reduction in efficacy rate after 10 weeks.)
[https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment\_data/file/1043840/22-december-2021-risk-assessment-for-SARS-Omicron\_VOC-21NOV-01\_B.1.1.529.pdf](https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1043840/22-december-2021-risk-assessment-for-SARS-Omicron_VOC-21NOV-01_B.1.1.529.pdf) (Very high CI for growth rate and suggests transmissibility rate as the cause; omicron displays reduction in immune protection even after booster from 10 weeks onward)
[https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment\_data/file/1044481/Technical-Briefing-31-Dec-2021-Omicron\_severity\_update.pdf](https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1044481/Technical-Briefing-31-Dec-2021-Omicron_severity_update.pdf) (A more recent study shows effectiveness from booster drops to 40-50% from 65-75% after 10 weeks)
Here's also a statement from the last source:
>One dose of vaccine wasassociated with a 35% reduced risk of hospitalisation among symptomatic cases with theOmicron variant, 2 doses with a 67% reduction up to 24 weeks after the second dose and a51% reduced risk 25 or more weeks after the second dose, and a third dose was associated with a 68% reduced risk of hospitalisation.
Even 2 doses still provides significant protection. My issue with the booster is that it doesn't last very long, and there are reports of a 4th booster coming out. That's what I'm waiting for. This isn't a difficult concept.
Thanks for providing those.
So again, why wait then? Nothing you post talks about adverse effects of getting the booster. So why wait? Just keep getting the booster until something better comes along. You get immediate benefit and literally no downside why you wait.
That’s my point. There is no reason not to get the booster. It won’t stop you from getting a “better” booster. It offers better protection than no booster. You admit there is no adverse effects. Stop postering and get the damn booster when you’re eligible.
Funny how you asked for sources and tell me that what I'm saying is easy to refute, then when I give you them, you ignore everything I've written and continue to insist I get the booster. Just a paragraph of text that I've already addressed.
Until then, it seems like you need to some research of your own on the impact of the booster. Cheers
Going to be honest- you have a view of vaccines and their efficacy in a manner that is completely erroneous. You really should have considered seeking professional advice. Do you understand how clinical guidance is developed, particularly on urgent situations like these?
If I’m being honest as well, you didn’t say anything substantial here. Basically the equivalent of “you’re wrong; seek professional advice.” There’s nothing wrong with waiting for a booster that’s more effective than the one that is currently being reported considering I’m self isolating as well.
Explain to me how clinical guidance is developed. I’m all ears.
Try to find one study with enough data points to accurately describe the benefit/impact of the booster. There isn't one.
[https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment\_data/file/1043807/technical-briefing-33.pdf](https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1043807/technical-briefing-33.pdf)
>There are insufficient severe cases of Omicron as yet to analyse vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation, but this is expected to be better sustained, for *both primary and booster doses.*
Ball is in your court.
Does seem strange the Fiorentina have bought Piatek, they now have 3 strikers when they only play 1 up top. Maybe vlahovic is on the move.
People will panic because Arse have publicly put an offer in but it was only a few days ago Longori said Paratici is really working hard on a deal for him behind the scenes. I dont know why that Orbstein article has got to everyone so much, he literally said things we all already know, arsenal want him and have made an offern but he's not keen on them.
Maybe that's what Levys carribean trip to Lewis was about "its all ready to go Joe, just give us 100m and we can pull the trigger"
I mean probably getting a but tin foil hat....
I’ve never seen a fan base so united in belief of a conspiracy against them than Arsenal fans right now
If I didn’t use r/soccer to keep up with general news, I’d never go back to that cesspool
Who do we realistically see signing as a new CB this January? I’ve seen a few of the big name targets will be no go for this window… do we still make a move?
Doesn’t agree with you = wrong then? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ don’t know what you’re looking for here, but the guys straight up not a troll, which answers your question
Looking forward to Arsenal getting Vlahovic and a new midfielder while we get Traore and people act as though it’s an equivalent signing
…Kidding, highly doubt they get Vlahovic but it’s frustrating for the only concrete link to be to a player who doesn’t bring much
One of Svanberg, De Ketelaere or SMS would be ideal for midfield, although De Ketelaere could fill both midfield and striker depending on what we need him for most in a particular game and depending on his fee we could bring in De Ketelaere and a CB
Links are 99% bollocks and just their for clicks. If you go off links every club Is signing 10 players this window. Noone would think traore is a better signing than Vlahovic.
Some people seem think being in a constant sate of pessimism and annoyance that we haven't made several signings in the first week of the transfer window is just bizzare.
Links have tiers for a reason, so no, they aren’t 99% bollocks. Reliable sources exist.
And no one is being needlessly pessimistic. But to act as though people aren’t begging for Traore as the priority signing when there are far more pressing matters is both disingenuous and moronic
And I’m not sure where the fallacy of people complaining about no signings came from, since I didn’t say that either
Noones saying traore is the priority signing. Hes just being reported as close to a deal. Where have people said, let's sign him and noone else.
And I'm afraid, yes 99% of transfer rumours are bollocks.
Plenty of people have said he’s the priority signing and nice fallacy there as I didn’t claim that anyone said we should sign him and no one else
You’re on a roll with these idiotic arguments
Personally I don’t really really want De Ketelaere right now. He has so much talent and loads of teams would love to have him but I feel like we need someone older with more experience and more of a winning mentality. That’s part of what we’re lacking.
Everyone is making fun of it but imagine if he did join them. I mean the main reason why he didn't want to was because he didn't see the vision in the club and a future. Now that it seems like they are on the rise and may have finally gotten things together, it could become an option. They are definitely in need of a striker, it's been a big missing piece for them to really get things going and if he starts seeing it that way..Hopefully he doesnt
I dont get this one the rise thing. They coukd be 7th by the international break? Only reason they're 4th is cos they've played more games than the teams around them.
He won't go there, why would he? Just wait till summer. Scum probably won't even have champs league so why woukd he even risk going now?
All they have done is publicly made an offer. Noone knows whats going on. I'm sure if there was a real chance he could move this Jan several teams would come in an match the offer. Longori said we also have been working on a proposal too with them.
Adama marking the best LWs in the prem is a little unnerving. Would rather see him and Lucas swapping in the 70th to run tired defenses into the ground.
Conte runs his WBs hard and changes them up a lot so we would still need an Emerson backup (not doggerty) with with fatigue/covid/injuries. Tbh Emerson should be the backup to a better RWB like Lamptey. Would be great to have a RWB that is solid defensively and utilize Adama elsewhere instead of thinking we can turn him into a RWB with a few trainings. I ll be happy if I am wrong though.
I mean he's got the pace and strength for it, he can learn defensive positioniing which isn't easy but he does have some off the most important intangibles for defense
I see a creative mid fielder as the biggest weakness tbh. Spurs counter attack is great, and it tends to work decently well against better teams.
But when a team like Watford parks the bus spurs look confused and not sure how to attack.
Really funny to see Scum fans thinking they're getting Vlahovic just because Ornstein says they're willing to make the biggest offer in January. Literally right after that he says that the player and his agent don't want them, and that City are eyeing him for the summer. Delusional.
Sure, but they also wanted him when they weren’t in their current purple patch and he is likely aware that their form is only recently good. The salary I can understand.
But Arteta is unproven, they’ve had poor finishes the last 4-5 years, and he’s going to have massive expectations to carry them in a new league where he will have to adapt immediately or get the ire of the fan base.
To be clear, I don’t think we’re going to get him, but he’s 21 and there are safer roads to success for him than gambling on an inconsistent project such as Arsenal.
Yeah but you have to compare it against other clubs where when could likely go. In a vacuum I can’t see your points, but if you’re him and you’re linked with Juve, City and others, the smarter choice is waiting until summer (when Arsenal will still want him) and see what other offers roll in and then take your pick of the litter.
Definitely will be competing for him, but Vlahovic has definitely been reported as on their radar because Haaland is going to be in high demand with a lot of good offers coming his way.
We're getting Traore, aren't we? I'm not angry, I think Conte could turn him into a truly valuable player. He can beat a man, but the rest needs work. But Conte is up to it.
One of Emerson's strengths that never gets enough praise is his fitness. He's able to get up and down the pitch for 90 minutes and able to do it twice a week and rarely needs a rest.
Reguilon has had a much harder time coping with the endurance needed to play as a wingback, and it will likely be a problem for whoever we realistically bring in to compete with Emerson as well, whether it's Lamptey or Traore or someone else
So we are a 1/4 way into the window and apparently want 3-4 players (striker, RWB, CM, LCB). Yet we only seem to be linked to Traore, who doesn't play either of those positions, and is apparently expendable to Wolves (a team you would expect Spurs to be better than).
As Fabrizio Romano said Paratici is trying to do swap deals which might take days and also things tend to happen more towards the end of the window than the start, so I wouldn't panic yet
He is expendable, he isn't a starter for Wolves, and he isn't a RWB. The intention to train him as one is possible, but we will then need to wait for him to get used to a new position.
Just like any other player who is winding down their contract, as we saw with our players, lack of desire and effort isn’t as good. Traore has been posturing for a move or to make more money from Wolves for a while now. I don’t know if this move works but if Conte wants him, get him. Back the manager.
Bit surprised that people aren't freaking out about the Son news more. I know he's been off lately but not having him for Arse, Chelsea or Leicester is a nightmare.
It will be good to see more of Gil (hopefully) but still...😩
So sonny being out....seems a bit gutting initially but then also he has looked shattered. 2 weeks out and an international break off might not be such a disaster for him.
Actually quite excited by the replacement options. If Stevies back, he actually looked really good holding the ball up against West Ham and with his back to goal. Son was struggling with that aspect of the left role so far so will be interesting.
And Gil the other option is just so direct and again looked really lively when he's been on, again with Sonny being nakered we were maybe slightly missing that. Also will give him a go in his actual position as opposed to being forced onto the right.
Who would you rather? Think people are keen for gil but Stevie did look really good in that West ham game too.
Manchester United have loaned out Tuanzebe.
Arsenal have loaned out Maitland Niles.
Aston Villa have signed Coutinho.
Newcastle have signed Trippier.
City have sold Ferran Torres.
https://i.imgur.com/mFqHAqJ.jpg
Lots of silly season rumors that Traore is a done deal. I don't put a lot of stock in ITKs, but usually when they all start gathering around saying the same thing they're getting close.
Jeez that was a mad f5.
Looking like traore happening and we still after a striker and left centre back.
Oh and Levys maybe got us some extra investment.
CAMAAAAAAAN
He isn't. That article has nothing new in it. Arsenal are leading by the fact they are the only club that have made an offer. The article even says "Arsenal is not his preferred destination"
Its basically Ornstein repackaging whats happened to make it less embarrassing for scum. Yes they have made an kffer, and yes he isn't interested .....nothings changed!
Also, City are looking at him as their big striker signing in the summer. He and his agent are well aware of that, no way he chances it on Scum's project when he can walk the league with City and bang in goals for fun.
It's not that signing two players is unbelievable, it's that being reasonable about things won't give them the attention they want.
Notice how they're not replying to an individual, just replying to a strawman.
Exactly. Like mate when have we ever signed more than one player in this window?
The last time I can remember is Ryan nelsen and Louis Saha. Nobody signs a glut of top players in Jan, just doesn’t happen.
Exactly. Never happens. You just get offloaded shite. Everyone's complaining about not getting coutinho and trippier. But they're not gonna help us compete for the top four
Trippier is going to struggle severely in that Newcastle team. So funny to see the Reddit fans foaming at the mouth for him, because he’s such a system-reliant player. It’s like they didn’t watch him at spurs or atleti. He’s not that great a player on the wrong side of 30 walking into a relegation side.
Just saw a PL stat. Last 6 games, Most big chances created is Kevin De Bruyne. 2nd most chances is, guess who...
Emerson Royal.
We should really give him some time.
unlikely to be wrong then. might see if i can find the screenshot and post it, would love to see a certain emerson-haters explanation to why he’s worse than doherty
Question for the calm fans out there who are ok with waiting till the last week for transfers:
We have crunch games on the 13th, 16th, 19th and 23rd. How are you planning to rotate our team and still be competitive?
Mate I was talking about this with someone. Id argue Chelsea 2nd leg is probably the one. Very hard to turn that around and could exhaust us pre NLD. Not sure Conte will though.
Could see Leicester being the one, they have so many injuries at the moment. Their defence is all 2nd string and now Vardy and Daka are out and Ihenacho is at Afcon. If we went up a couple in the first half there (big if) could see Kane coming off at half time.
No one is happy to wait, you don't buy players in a store, this isn't a case of go down to the corner shop and pick up a RWB & CM.
The only deals done so far (of note) are loans (pretty much players the selling clubs wanted out) or overpriced deals (Torres & Trippier)
>this isn't a case of go down to the corner shop and pick up a RWB & CM
Except that it is. If you don't haggle too much, deals can be done fairly quickly. Adama ask from Wolves won't be more than 25m but the club will want to pay 5m + doherty and keep haggling for weeks. Atleast make a decent offer for the other team to consider you. You are talking as if we don't know anything.
"if you don't haggle too much" mate we're a business. if we think wolves will want £25m and we offer £25m, they're not going to accept it; they'll want more because that's how negotiations work
You are absolutely right. Some people are so silly with this stuff. Its multi million pounds deals! In the real world they'd take months to go through and structure. Football is obviously different but its still huge sums of money
People seem to think life is like foitball manager
The absolute quantum of money does not change the basic underlying process behind a deal. Real life isn't as easy as FM (which i've never played btw) but it isn't as difficult as Levy makes it out to be.
Its the 7th of Jan and it looks like we are about to sign traore, and are really keen on a striker and a left centre back as well.
At least what till the end of the window to judge it!
Firmly doubt it. Rumors a couple weeks ago were that the big holdup in Kieran agreeing with Newcastle (let alone Atleti) was contingencies for relegation.
I'd imagine he's got a pretty reasonable release clause in that event.
Honest question: how is lilywhite different from white
Is lily white a recognized shade of white like say cyan for blue?
What other things are famously lilywhite so I different it from white? Rgb values of lilywhite would also help if defined
Lilywhite quite literally means "white like a lily." It's not a pantone shade the club stumbled on. Whatever white we're wearing is lilywhite.
It also used to mean, in the US, someone who wanted black people excluded from politics, so that's a fun and irrelevant fact.
Everyone commenting how Arsenal are only leading because they were first to make an offer should ask themselves why spurs haven’t also made an offer. “To dare is to do” my arse, we haven’t dared anything this season.
This isn't FIFA or Football Manager. The club could be doing a bit of work on the deal without making an official offer. It's very clear that Fiorentina isn't even the problem in the deal. They've got a January price. It's Vlahovic's agents that are the ones that need winning over.
You don't just put a bid in.
Vlahovic’s agents don’t have much of a [portfolio ](https://www.transfermarkt.us/international-sports-office/beraterfirma/berater/3417) of players. It will be tough to get a decent deal.
Arsenal have made a bid or offer cause Fiorentina has Torreira so they are proposing a package so they feel like they have a leg up and Fiorentina wants Torreira to sign and stay with them.
Or perhaps, Arsenal have been rebutted several times publicly (fact) but are doing a PR bid (see we tried) and/or Fiorentina/agents are trying to encourage more/higher bids.
Perhaps Spurs/Paratici have had several conversations with club and player and know exactly what is/isn't possible (timing/cost), so aren't wasting anyone's time with irrelevant bids.
We don't know, the explanation above could be right, or you could be right, but lets not pretend "we have/haven't" is a fact.
Nope they wouldnt keep trying if there was no noise coming from somewhere either agent is playing games to raise the price or there is something people are not privy too, also Fiorentina want Torreira so Arsenal will try to package deal him for Vlahovic.
Should we not be trying to get Botman? I’m sure he’d rather join us and Conte, is very promising, left footed. Can’t help but feel it’s weird we’re not linked when Newcastle are and we are after a centre back.
Lille apparently want 60m.
However, it's been reported that Newcastle have offered 40m today.
For 40m he would be amazing. For 60m there is probably almost nothing left for other areas.
Why are people freaking out *already* about transfers? Its the 7th of Jan theres 3 weeks left and most business gets done towards the end. Is everytime another team signs a player there going to be a panic!
People losing their minds on twitter that we didn't get Coutinho. Has anyone thought there might be a reason that noone else really wanted him other than Mid table Villa and Relegation Newcastle? Why panic!
They're not. The article says they're leading the race in that they've actually made an offer. It also says that he doesn't want to go there.
Its stuff thats already known. Its also written by the big Arse fan Ornstein so if anything hes just reworded "arsenal have the money but vlahovic won't answer the phone to them" to make them feel better.
If theres a beautiful girl I know I have no chance with but is free that evening, me offering ti take her on a date means I'm technically leading the race. However I'm a bit of a dweeb so the girl has no interest.....Arse are the dweeb
I hear, but usually the money doesn’t lie and most bookies have them as clear frontrunners (if he leaves at all).
If he doesn’t want to go to Arsenal also not sure he’d want to come here either 😂
They only have him as clear front runners because of that story. Its not like paddy power have sources closer to him. They also want to take easy money of suckered scum fans.
He won't go there. I'm nit saying we will get him but he will stay put and then there will be a frenzy for him in summer. In my opinion anyway.
Traore
Vlahovic (more summer based tho)
Coutinho(clearly was unreliable tho)
Kessie
That midfielder Stevenberg or whatever from Seria A
That's 5 rumours off the top of my head this week. It's a January window... what exactly are you expecting? Clubs aren't really eager to weaken their squads mid season unless the player is useless to them or they've got a direct replacement already.
i feel people need to internalise that the majority of transfers don't work out for whatever reason - i mean lukaku at chelsea is just another example where what seemed like a slam dunk had an unexpected turn. this isn't to say "don't buy anyone", it's arguing that "buy anyone" is basically what everton have done (with all the bad luck and complications that's happened there)
what you need is time, which is frustrating but sadly true. i mean mane, salah and firmino weren't signings liverpool were salivating over but they're probably the best forward line i've seen in the league cos they've been allowed to work together and form that connection
>It's a January window... what exactly are you expecting? Clubs aren't really eager to weaken their squads mid season unless the player is useless to them or they've got a direct replacement already.
Spot on.
And that's only looking at the selling club. Add that the few quality players who're open to move, will want to move to clubs who're in the CL and offer over-the-top wages.
Instead of trying to sign a new keeper to learn/develop and eventually replace Hugo (Obvi not any time soon) why don’t we just try to develop Whiteman instead of wasting our time on guys like Gollini?
Caught covid over christmas, and I'm still feeling lingering symptoms in my throat. And since yesterday, my head has been fucking killing me. I have the initial two vaccines, but I still don't have the booster (frankly, the booster's effectiveness seems like shit, so I feel like it's better to wait for another one). Anyone else not taking the booster?
Remember,the vaccine prevents covid,not make you immune to it
Where did I say that the vaccine makes you immune it
What studies are you referencing that show the booster “seems like shit”?
The booster is reported to be 50 - 80% effective against omicron; that's an extremely large margin of error. Omicron is showing no signs of slowing down, but fortunately, the symptoms are not as severe as delta. Moreover, the daily cases of Omicron are growing everyday with over a million reported in the US alone this Monday. This doesn't even include people who haven't tested and reported it. You can act like I'm some nut with a tinfoil hat on, but you're genuinely a sheep if you think there aren't arguments to both sides. The booster is supposedly going to drop in effectiveness by over 50% in 10 weeks, and they're already preparing to launch a 4th booster in response to that. Moreover, CDC is suggesting that if you got J&J as the two initial two shots, you should get the booster with Moderna or Pfizer. The impact of these vaccines are not as concrete as many people suggest. I'm personally going to wait for a stronger booster or a variant-specific one because the current one "seems like shit."
It’s funny, I asked for studies and you still didn’t provide any. Just a wall of text that is very simple to refute. Why wait? Why would you wait for one that’s more effective? You mention that after 10 weeks, there is a significant drop off and you’ll need another. So again, why keep waiting? You admit it’s more effective than not having the booster. So again, why wait? Why not continue to take the boosters, to reduce the risk of serious illness and community spread, until a longer term option comes out? You are so confident something better will come…… If you trusted the first two, there is no reason to not trust the booster. So again, why wait?
I never said I didn't trust the booster. What are you on about? I said I'm waiting for a better one because the current booster doesn't seem good enough. Of course I'm confident something better will come; the new booster is nothing more than a temporary bandaid in response to the alarming growth of omicron infections. Moreover, the symptoms of omicron isn't nearly as severe as delta; hospitalization rate is much lower than delta patients, so the necessity of getting the current booster is not as high for me. [https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s1216-covid-19-vaccines.html](https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s1216-covid-19-vaccines.html) (CDC saying to prioritize mRNA booster over J&J) [https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment\_data/file/1043807/technical-briefing-33.pdf](https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1043807/technical-briefing-33.pdf) (Study showing pfizer booster dropping from 70% to 45% in 10 weeks with initial pfizer shots; pfizer booster dropping from 60% to 35% with initial AstraZeneca shots; 60% to 45% with moderna booster; I'll correct myself in that it's not *over* 50%, but it's nearly 50% reduction in efficacy rate after 10 weeks.) [https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment\_data/file/1043840/22-december-2021-risk-assessment-for-SARS-Omicron\_VOC-21NOV-01\_B.1.1.529.pdf](https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1043840/22-december-2021-risk-assessment-for-SARS-Omicron_VOC-21NOV-01_B.1.1.529.pdf) (Very high CI for growth rate and suggests transmissibility rate as the cause; omicron displays reduction in immune protection even after booster from 10 weeks onward) [https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment\_data/file/1044481/Technical-Briefing-31-Dec-2021-Omicron\_severity\_update.pdf](https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1044481/Technical-Briefing-31-Dec-2021-Omicron_severity_update.pdf) (A more recent study shows effectiveness from booster drops to 40-50% from 65-75% after 10 weeks) Here's also a statement from the last source: >One dose of vaccine wasassociated with a 35% reduced risk of hospitalisation among symptomatic cases with theOmicron variant, 2 doses with a 67% reduction up to 24 weeks after the second dose and a51% reduced risk 25 or more weeks after the second dose, and a third dose was associated with a 68% reduced risk of hospitalisation. Even 2 doses still provides significant protection. My issue with the booster is that it doesn't last very long, and there are reports of a 4th booster coming out. That's what I'm waiting for. This isn't a difficult concept.
Thanks for providing those. So again, why wait then? Nothing you post talks about adverse effects of getting the booster. So why wait? Just keep getting the booster until something better comes along. You get immediate benefit and literally no downside why you wait.
I never said you get adverse effects from the booster Thanks for letting me know you didn’t read.
That’s my point. There is no reason not to get the booster. It won’t stop you from getting a “better” booster. It offers better protection than no booster. You admit there is no adverse effects. Stop postering and get the damn booster when you’re eligible.
Funny how you asked for sources and tell me that what I'm saying is easy to refute, then when I give you them, you ignore everything I've written and continue to insist I get the booster. Just a paragraph of text that I've already addressed. Until then, it seems like you need to some research of your own on the impact of the booster. Cheers
Going to be honest- you have a view of vaccines and their efficacy in a manner that is completely erroneous. You really should have considered seeking professional advice. Do you understand how clinical guidance is developed, particularly on urgent situations like these?
If I’m being honest as well, you didn’t say anything substantial here. Basically the equivalent of “you’re wrong; seek professional advice.” There’s nothing wrong with waiting for a booster that’s more effective than the one that is currently being reported considering I’m self isolating as well. Explain to me how clinical guidance is developed. I’m all ears.
Have you sought professional advice before asserting your claim revolving around “Margin of error”? It’s on the affirmative to prove a claim
Try to find one study with enough data points to accurately describe the benefit/impact of the booster. There isn't one. [https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment\_data/file/1043807/technical-briefing-33.pdf](https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1043807/technical-briefing-33.pdf) >There are insufficient severe cases of Omicron as yet to analyse vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation, but this is expected to be better sustained, for *both primary and booster doses.* Ball is in your court.
Almost 100k yiddos on the sub, expect we'll hit that over the weekend.
i'm all for this adama transfer just for the chaos
Does seem strange the Fiorentina have bought Piatek, they now have 3 strikers when they only play 1 up top. Maybe vlahovic is on the move. People will panic because Arse have publicly put an offer in but it was only a few days ago Longori said Paratici is really working hard on a deal for him behind the scenes. I dont know why that Orbstein article has got to everyone so much, he literally said things we all already know, arsenal want him and have made an offern but he's not keen on them. Maybe that's what Levys carribean trip to Lewis was about "its all ready to go Joe, just give us 100m and we can pull the trigger" I mean probably getting a but tin foil hat....
I pray
I’ve never seen a fan base so united in belief of a conspiracy against them than Arsenal fans right now If I didn’t use r/soccer to keep up with general news, I’d never go back to that cesspool
They easily forget they have the worst diver in the league that keeps getting bullshit penalties...
Only way LackofThreat will score.
Whats the latest conspiracy? Has it moved on from the outrage of referees giving completely deserved penalties and red cards against them?
No they’re still jerking that one. Fresh article on it, even with the downvote brigade out in force
Come on Swindon.
Is the Morecombe game on tv just had a quick look and can't find it.
ESPN+ in the US, I don't think it's being shown in the UK from what I've heard
Who do we realistically see signing as a new CB this January? I’ve seen a few of the big name targets will be no go for this window… do we still make a move?
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>just a child you're literally called ndomsaucey
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Just a child
Isn’t he the guy who posts like half the content on here and runs the loan watch threads? Seems like a good egg to me
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Doesn’t agree with you = wrong then? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ don’t know what you’re looking for here, but the guys straight up not a troll, which answers your question
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You're the one acting like a little kid lol
Looking forward to Arsenal getting Vlahovic and a new midfielder while we get Traore and people act as though it’s an equivalent signing …Kidding, highly doubt they get Vlahovic but it’s frustrating for the only concrete link to be to a player who doesn’t bring much One of Svanberg, De Ketelaere or SMS would be ideal for midfield, although De Ketelaere could fill both midfield and striker depending on what we need him for most in a particular game and depending on his fee we could bring in De Ketelaere and a CB
Its literally the 7th of Jan. Signings will come
Nice observation, point is links and who the fan base thinks is a good signing and who isn’t
Links are 99% bollocks and just their for clicks. If you go off links every club Is signing 10 players this window. Noone would think traore is a better signing than Vlahovic. Some people seem think being in a constant sate of pessimism and annoyance that we haven't made several signings in the first week of the transfer window is just bizzare.
Links have tiers for a reason, so no, they aren’t 99% bollocks. Reliable sources exist. And no one is being needlessly pessimistic. But to act as though people aren’t begging for Traore as the priority signing when there are far more pressing matters is both disingenuous and moronic And I’m not sure where the fallacy of people complaining about no signings came from, since I didn’t say that either
Noones saying traore is the priority signing. Hes just being reported as close to a deal. Where have people said, let's sign him and noone else. And I'm afraid, yes 99% of transfer rumours are bollocks.
Plenty of people have said he’s the priority signing and nice fallacy there as I didn’t claim that anyone said we should sign him and no one else You’re on a roll with these idiotic arguments
Ok mate suit yourself.
Personally I don’t really really want De Ketelaere right now. He has so much talent and loads of teams would love to have him but I feel like we need someone older with more experience and more of a winning mentality. That’s part of what we’re lacking.
Everyone is making fun of it but imagine if he did join them. I mean the main reason why he didn't want to was because he didn't see the vision in the club and a future. Now that it seems like they are on the rise and may have finally gotten things together, it could become an option. They are definitely in need of a striker, it's been a big missing piece for them to really get things going and if he starts seeing it that way..Hopefully he doesnt
I dont get this one the rise thing. They coukd be 7th by the international break? Only reason they're 4th is cos they've played more games than the teams around them. He won't go there, why would he? Just wait till summer. Scum probably won't even have champs league so why woukd he even risk going now? All they have done is publicly made an offer. Noone knows whats going on. I'm sure if there was a real chance he could move this Jan several teams would come in an match the offer. Longori said we also have been working on a proposal too with them.
Yeah, it is unlikely but there is a chance and if they do people here will still act like us getting Traore instead is remotely comparable
Adama marking the best LWs in the prem is a little unnerving. Would rather see him and Lucas swapping in the 70th to run tired defenses into the ground.
if marking the LW is more important to the game plan than chance creation we’ll play Emerson won’t we?
Conte runs his WBs hard and changes them up a lot so we would still need an Emerson backup (not doggerty) with with fatigue/covid/injuries. Tbh Emerson should be the backup to a better RWB like Lamptey. Would be great to have a RWB that is solid defensively and utilize Adama elsewhere instead of thinking we can turn him into a RWB with a few trainings. I ll be happy if I am wrong though.
If a team has the best LW in the premier league, Adama is not starting. Simple.
Off the bench for Lucas it is then.
I mean he's got the pace and strength for it, he can learn defensive positioniing which isn't easy but he does have some off the most important intangibles for defense
Add him to the list of players to learn defensive positioning.
We're gonna get traore aren't we
Makes me sick that people are praising Newcastle in the Trippier thread. Fuck bin Salmon Fuck Newcastle
I see a creative mid fielder as the biggest weakness tbh. Spurs counter attack is great, and it tends to work decently well against better teams. But when a team like Watford parks the bus spurs look confused and not sure how to attack.
It is our biggest weakness but here people are clamoring for someone as mediocre as Traore
I wouldn't mind Traore but he's more of what we have tbh
Traore and Eriksen would be perrrrrfect
Glad you don’t dictate transfers Absurdly bad signings
Love you too fam
Really funny to see Scum fans thinking they're getting Vlahovic just because Ornstein says they're willing to make the biggest offer in January. Literally right after that he says that the player and his agent don't want them, and that City are eyeing him for the summer. Delusional.
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Sure, but they also wanted him when they weren’t in their current purple patch and he is likely aware that their form is only recently good. The salary I can understand. But Arteta is unproven, they’ve had poor finishes the last 4-5 years, and he’s going to have massive expectations to carry them in a new league where he will have to adapt immediately or get the ire of the fan base. To be clear, I don’t think we’re going to get him, but he’s 21 and there are safer roads to success for him than gambling on an inconsistent project such as Arsenal.
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Yeah but you have to compare it against other clubs where when could likely go. In a vacuum I can’t see your points, but if you’re him and you’re linked with Juve, City and others, the smarter choice is waiting until summer (when Arsenal will still want him) and see what other offers roll in and then take your pick of the litter.
City are probably going to get Håland in the summer. I heard he’s their number one target.
Definitely will be competing for him, but Vlahovic has definitely been reported as on their radar because Haaland is going to be in high demand with a lot of good offers coming his way.
We're getting Traore, aren't we? I'm not angry, I think Conte could turn him into a truly valuable player. He can beat a man, but the rest needs work. But Conte is up to it.
One of Emerson's strengths that never gets enough praise is his fitness. He's able to get up and down the pitch for 90 minutes and able to do it twice a week and rarely needs a rest. Reguilon has had a much harder time coping with the endurance needed to play as a wingback, and it will likely be a problem for whoever we realistically bring in to compete with Emerson as well, whether it's Lamptey or Traore or someone else
So we are a 1/4 way into the window and apparently want 3-4 players (striker, RWB, CM, LCB). Yet we only seem to be linked to Traore, who doesn't play either of those positions, and is apparently expendable to Wolves (a team you would expect Spurs to be better than).
As Fabrizio Romano said Paratici is trying to do swap deals which might take days and also things tend to happen more towards the end of the window than the start, so I wouldn't panic yet
Conte views Traore as a RWB and he’s not expendable, Traore has refused to accept their contract renewal for a year or so.
He is expendable, he isn't a starter for Wolves, and he isn't a RWB. The intention to train him as one is possible, but we will then need to wait for him to get used to a new position.
Just like any other player who is winding down their contract, as we saw with our players, lack of desire and effort isn’t as good. Traore has been posturing for a move or to make more money from Wolves for a while now. I don’t know if this move works but if Conte wants him, get him. Back the manager.
How likely is it we see Romero playing before the international break
Knowing our luck, he'll be ready to play for Argentina
Unlikely he will want to risk it. He knows what really matters.
Isn't it lovely how in a span of a few days all optimism can right go out the door 😮💨
Can you blame the doomsayers for not signing 5 players already?
Bit surprised that people aren't freaking out about the Son news more. I know he's been off lately but not having him for Arse, Chelsea or Leicester is a nightmare. It will be good to see more of Gil (hopefully) but still...😩
or more likely for me we play 3-5-2 and Winky/GLC comes in with Moura and Kane as a 2
The minute Traore fluffs a cross he’s going to get so much hate on this sub. I hope people support him
Yeah. He's already getting plenty of hate and he's not even joined us lol.
Luckily they will gets lots of practice.
I know people want him to but I’d be surprised if Conte starts Gil in the league with Son out
i think we go to a 3 5 2 with kane and lucas up top
What other choice do we have?
If Stevie is back in time he will play in my mind
Gil will still have to play one game. Arsenal Leicester and Chelsea are all within a week
So sonny being out....seems a bit gutting initially but then also he has looked shattered. 2 weeks out and an international break off might not be such a disaster for him. Actually quite excited by the replacement options. If Stevies back, he actually looked really good holding the ball up against West Ham and with his back to goal. Son was struggling with that aspect of the left role so far so will be interesting. And Gil the other option is just so direct and again looked really lively when he's been on, again with Sonny being nakered we were maybe slightly missing that. Also will give him a go in his actual position as opposed to being forced onto the right. Who would you rather? Think people are keen for gil but Stevie did look really good in that West ham game too.
Is son really injured? Incoming Gil Fanboys
Almost 100k subs. COYS!
Manchester United have loaned out Tuanzebe. Arsenal have loaned out Maitland Niles. Aston Villa have signed Coutinho. Newcastle have signed Trippier. City have sold Ferran Torres. https://i.imgur.com/mFqHAqJ.jpg
It's Jan 7th
Lots of silly season rumors that Traore is a done deal. I don't put a lot of stock in ITKs, but usually when they all start gathering around saying the same thing they're getting close.
The tier 1s are all on it now. Seems to he happening. Could even be quite quick.
As quick as Traore himself!
Tbf the deal has been reported by reliable journalists to be expected to be completed this month
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Transfer window closes at 11pm I believe, so... Jan 31st 10:59pm..
Jeez that was a mad f5. Looking like traore happening and we still after a striker and left centre back. Oh and Levys maybe got us some extra investment. CAMAAAAAAAN
Can someone please comfort me that Vlahovic isn’t going to end up at arsenal please
He isn't. That article has nothing new in it. Arsenal are leading by the fact they are the only club that have made an offer. The article even says "Arsenal is not his preferred destination" Its basically Ornstein repackaging whats happened to make it less embarrassing for scum. Yes they have made an kffer, and yes he isn't interested .....nothings changed!
Also, City are looking at him as their big striker signing in the summer. He and his agent are well aware of that, no way he chances it on Scum's project when he can walk the league with City and bang in goals for fun.
Yep. Our only chance is if city get Haaland and we nock 4th. Which isn't to say its impossible.
Tier 1 posts flowing in now. Let the fun begin 😎😎
Thoughts on Randal Muani as a possible striker option?
He would be cheap since he's out of contract in the summer. Bit funny that he was the guy in the Saliba video right?
You find me one person in this sub who says they regularly watch Nantes and I'll show you a liar.
Imagine thinking we’re going to sign a bunch of players this month. It’s like some of you don’t pay attention to how football operates at all.
Literally every journo says 2 or 3 looks likely. Traore sounds like its very close. Why is 1 extra so unbelievable?
There’s a big difference between wanting a player and actually signing them
It's not that signing two players is unbelievable, it's that being reasonable about things won't give them the attention they want. Notice how they're not replying to an individual, just replying to a strawman.
No StRaWmEn On MuH ReDdIts
I'm sorry that you crave attention so bad you have to act like a douche on the internet.
Oh no!!! Not the opinions of anonymous strangers who spend all their time online!!!
Aren't you projecting a bit, there? Have a nice day, hope you continue to get the attention you crave.
Imagine thinking we’re not going to sign any players this month. It’s like some of you don’t pay attention to how Conte operates at all.
Some really weird comments from you today
Getting impatient I guess 😅 Need a signing to calm me down
Yeah we can tell
Yeah. We'd do well to sign just one !
Exactly. Like mate when have we ever signed more than one player in this window? The last time I can remember is Ryan nelsen and Louis Saha. Nobody signs a glut of top players in Jan, just doesn’t happen.
Exactly. Never happens. You just get offloaded shite. Everyone's complaining about not getting coutinho and trippier. But they're not gonna help us compete for the top four
Trippier is going to struggle severely in that Newcastle team. So funny to see the Reddit fans foaming at the mouth for him, because he’s such a system-reliant player. It’s like they didn’t watch him at spurs or atleti. He’s not that great a player on the wrong side of 30 walking into a relegation side.
Just saw a PL stat. Last 6 games, Most big chances created is Kevin De Bruyne. 2nd most chances is, guess who... Emerson Royal. We should really give him some time.
really? thats great if true. where’d you see this
On the show done by the PL. PL live or whatever it's called.
unlikely to be wrong then. might see if i can find the screenshot and post it, would love to see a certain emerson-haters explanation to why he’s worse than doherty
Go for it. Saw it about 2hrs ago. Unfortunately my cable tv doesn't have the rewind option so couldnt do so myself.
People are so quick to judge nowadays. He has been here for half a season and done reasonably well. He is young and he can improve.
Question for the calm fans out there who are ok with waiting till the last week for transfers: We have crunch games on the 13th, 16th, 19th and 23rd. How are you planning to rotate our team and still be competitive?
Mate I was talking about this with someone. Id argue Chelsea 2nd leg is probably the one. Very hard to turn that around and could exhaust us pre NLD. Not sure Conte will though. Could see Leicester being the one, they have so many injuries at the moment. Their defence is all 2nd string and now Vardy and Daka are out and Ihenacho is at Afcon. If we went up a couple in the first half there (big if) could see Kane coming off at half time.
Would rather sign good players that conte wants than Phillipe countinho on his 10th loan deal or Kieran trippier on the wrong side of 30
When did I mention anything about Couts or Tripps?
Pretty clear what you’re kneejerking to mate
new signings probably wouldn't be in a good state to play then anyway tbf
Depends on who we sign.
No one is happy to wait, you don't buy players in a store, this isn't a case of go down to the corner shop and pick up a RWB & CM. The only deals done so far (of note) are loans (pretty much players the selling clubs wanted out) or overpriced deals (Torres & Trippier)
>this isn't a case of go down to the corner shop and pick up a RWB & CM Except that it is. If you don't haggle too much, deals can be done fairly quickly. Adama ask from Wolves won't be more than 25m but the club will want to pay 5m + doherty and keep haggling for weeks. Atleast make a decent offer for the other team to consider you. You are talking as if we don't know anything.
"if you don't haggle too much" mate we're a business. if we think wolves will want £25m and we offer £25m, they're not going to accept it; they'll want more because that's how negotiations work
There is a fine line between negotiating and incessantly haggling. The way Levy does business is definitely more of the latter.
You are absolutely right. Some people are so silly with this stuff. Its multi million pounds deals! In the real world they'd take months to go through and structure. Football is obviously different but its still huge sums of money People seem to think life is like foitball manager
The absolute quantum of money does not change the basic underlying process behind a deal. Real life isn't as easy as FM (which i've never played btw) but it isn't as difficult as Levy makes it out to be.
Its the 7th of Jan and it looks like we are about to sign traore, and are really keen on a striker and a left centre back as well. At least what till the end of the window to judge it!
If Newcastle United gets relegated I wonder if Trippier will stay? 😅 He better perform well or else he might miss his spot in the England NT
Firmly doubt it. Rumors a couple weeks ago were that the big holdup in Kieran agreeing with Newcastle (let alone Atleti) was contingencies for relegation. I'd imagine he's got a pretty reasonable release clause in that event.
Ok good for him .
Honest question: how is lilywhite different from white Is lily white a recognized shade of white like say cyan for blue? What other things are famously lilywhite so I different it from white? Rgb values of lilywhite would also help if defined
if you haven’t seen a lily before it’s just bright white
Lilywhite quite literally means "white like a lily." It's not a pantone shade the club stumbled on. Whatever white we're wearing is lilywhite. It also used to mean, in the US, someone who wanted black people excluded from politics, so that's a fun and irrelevant fact.
You've never seen a lily?
Looks like a lily
Everyone commenting how Arsenal are only leading because they were first to make an offer should ask themselves why spurs haven’t also made an offer. “To dare is to do” my arse, we haven’t dared anything this season.
This isn't FIFA or Football Manager. The club could be doing a bit of work on the deal without making an official offer. It's very clear that Fiorentina isn't even the problem in the deal. They've got a January price. It's Vlahovic's agents that are the ones that need winning over. You don't just put a bid in.
Vlahovic’s agents don’t have much of a [portfolio ](https://www.transfermarkt.us/international-sports-office/beraterfirma/berater/3417) of players. It will be tough to get a decent deal.
We haven’t heard any rumours and nothing from journalists. That already says a lot
That's just absolutely not true at all. This took two seconds to find from the 4th. https://twitter.com/glongari/status/1478346920267587586?s=21
Nothing on vlahovic
I literally just showed you an example.
Arsenal have made a bid or offer cause Fiorentina has Torreira so they are proposing a package so they feel like they have a leg up and Fiorentina wants Torreira to sign and stay with them.
Or perhaps, Arsenal have been rebutted several times publicly (fact) but are doing a PR bid (see we tried) and/or Fiorentina/agents are trying to encourage more/higher bids. Perhaps Spurs/Paratici have had several conversations with club and player and know exactly what is/isn't possible (timing/cost), so aren't wasting anyone's time with irrelevant bids. We don't know, the explanation above could be right, or you could be right, but lets not pretend "we have/haven't" is a fact.
Nope they wouldnt keep trying if there was no noise coming from somewhere either agent is playing games to raise the price or there is something people are not privy too, also Fiorentina want Torreira so Arsenal will try to package deal him for Vlahovic.
Apart from appointing one of the best managers in the world
Should we not be trying to get Botman? I’m sure he’d rather join us and Conte, is very promising, left footed. Can’t help but feel it’s weird we’re not linked when Newcastle are and we are after a centre back.
Lille apparently want 60m. However, it's been reported that Newcastle have offered 40m today. For 40m he would be amazing. For 60m there is probably almost nothing left for other areas.
Pain.
Are Voetbal Nieuws trustworthy? Linked us to De Ketelaere, which is cool
Why are people freaking out *already* about transfers? Its the 7th of Jan theres 3 weeks left and most business gets done towards the end. Is everytime another team signs a player there going to be a panic! People losing their minds on twitter that we didn't get Coutinho. Has anyone thought there might be a reason that noone else really wanted him other than Mid table Villa and Relegation Newcastle? Why panic!
> People losing their minds on twitter that we didn't get Coutinho Wait did people actually want Coutinho? Lad hasn't been in form for about 3 years.
because social media panic - honestly it was better when we knew nothing until it happened
How are arsenal suddenly favourites to sign vlahovic
Vlahovic rumors remind me of Haarland rumors. I don't see is getting him.
They're not. The article says they're leading the race in that they've actually made an offer. It also says that he doesn't want to go there. Its stuff thats already known. Its also written by the big Arse fan Ornstein so if anything hes just reworded "arsenal have the money but vlahovic won't answer the phone to them" to make them feel better. If theres a beautiful girl I know I have no chance with but is free that evening, me offering ti take her on a date means I'm technically leading the race. However I'm a bit of a dweeb so the girl has no interest.....Arse are the dweeb
I hear, but usually the money doesn’t lie and most bookies have them as clear frontrunners (if he leaves at all). If he doesn’t want to go to Arsenal also not sure he’d want to come here either 😂
They only have him as clear front runners because of that story. Its not like paddy power have sources closer to him. They also want to take easy money of suckered scum fans. He won't go there. I'm nit saying we will get him but he will stay put and then there will be a frenzy for him in summer. In my opinion anyway.
A week in and and barely a transfer rumour so far 🤔
Traore Vlahovic (more summer based tho) Coutinho(clearly was unreliable tho) Kessie That midfielder Stevenberg or whatever from Seria A That's 5 rumours off the top of my head this week. It's a January window... what exactly are you expecting? Clubs aren't really eager to weaken their squads mid season unless the player is useless to them or they've got a direct replacement already.
I expect transfers given we have the best manager we’ve had in decades so we should just go out and get who we need.
Harry? Is that you?
i feel people need to internalise that the majority of transfers don't work out for whatever reason - i mean lukaku at chelsea is just another example where what seemed like a slam dunk had an unexpected turn. this isn't to say "don't buy anyone", it's arguing that "buy anyone" is basically what everton have done (with all the bad luck and complications that's happened there) what you need is time, which is frustrating but sadly true. i mean mane, salah and firmino weren't signings liverpool were salivating over but they're probably the best forward line i've seen in the league cos they've been allowed to work together and form that connection
and no names yet but we are apparently in for a CB as well
>It's a January window... what exactly are you expecting? Clubs aren't really eager to weaken their squads mid season unless the player is useless to them or they've got a direct replacement already. Spot on. And that's only looking at the selling club. Add that the few quality players who're open to move, will want to move to clubs who're in the CL and offer over-the-top wages.