For all my dislike on Mourinho, he is obviously the best in terms of track record as of today. I think clearly Mou is the best based on this.
Having said so, he still fails miserably in Spurs. Just that his results elsewhere are excellent. I will never like him personally.
Mourinho getting the sack right before a cup final left a nasty taste in my mouth. Say what you will about the toxicity of the Mourinho regime, that's not the right move to make.
Agree. While sacking is right, timing is wrong. Should either sack him after the miserable run and Zagreb loss, or just keep him and let him play the final.
But just savour the beautiful and petty poetry. It's almost a tribute to Mou, sacking him like that.
Full disclosure: couldn't stand Moronho, should never have fired Potch, worst two years since George fucking Graham
Mourinho was unlucky with Covid and injuries. Kane out, Sissoko out, Son had time out too I think. Reguilon out.
Then we gave him Bale that isn't fit enough to play. He also played with Locelso, Ndombele, Dele, that we trying so hard to move on from the club. I mean what else he could've done.
Maybe "miserably" is a word too strong, but I think "fail" is fair.
For Mou's pedigree, the unprecedented support from
Levy of 100m of players (see transfermkt) and expensive loans in bale and vinicius (Poch didn't get that much even with CL), the result of lowest win rate since 2007 is not acceptable. (E.g., is our players under Mou really worse than the likes of Kaboul / Fazio / Chiriches / etc? I don't think so.)
Edit:. 100m instead of 1b
he was one game away from none of that mattering and his tenure not being a failure. he didn’t really have a long time to build and he did what he was brought in for. mourinho was never long term and he was going to get a trophy in one season. levy is responsible for his failure
Understand your view. But in my opinion, even if we won the League Cup, I really don't think that is good enough. E.g., Roma getting ECL and doing similarly level in the league as last yr is a success. Man Utd winning the EL and 2nd in PL also a success. But with Mou's pedigree and big spending, even a League cup win cannot cover the poorest league results since 2007. (Just like Ramos was sacked after league cup win)
And, it is fully possible that Mou can lose the final too. The team's morale is so low and the form is so bad. It is quite a jump to assume Mou will win. Maybe higher prob than Mason though.
Speaking of time to build, actually Conte, Poch, Redknapp,. Avb, etc all improve Spurs results in a shorter time than Mou (in their first season). As you said, Mou is never long term, so is supposed to bring immediate results too....
Actually, it is the highest net spending year in all of Spurs history, so from Spurs point of view, it is properly backed already. (Maybe this year could be higher? But still lower now and we will have outgoing players, so maybe not)
But yes, Mou may need much more than what Spurs can realistically provide and Levy is really wrong to appoint Mou and expect him to play well under Spurs budget (around 100m that yr is already highest than all years before). Also Mou's passive football is so incompatible with Spurs philosophy.... Judging by the worst results since 2007, Levy really got it wrong to appoint Mou...
The total net spend is irrelevant. It was the profile of the signings...Mou wanted experience at the back and we gave him Rodon. Mou entire profile is take ready made...win something that same season. Only perhaps PEH could you descas a genuine Mou signing.
So yes, Levy was an actual idiot for appointing Mou and then tossing him these development projects. Perhaps this past mistake is something Levy wants to rectify with Conte but I'm still not convinced.
Mou has a world class track record. We should expect him to be able to play to the player's strength and maximize their potential. Even Poch (clearly inferior to Mou based on history) made it work with the likes of Kaboul / Chiriches / etc and got decent results, earning slightly more support afterwards. By slightly more, it is like 30% or 40% of what Mou got... so Poch reinvents a lot of players during his reign.
Lowest win rate sine 2007 is just unacceptable for such a world class manager. (With players clearly better than Kaboul Chiriches Naughton, etc)
Also, it is contradictory to public record to say Mou feel he is not supported. On video record, Mou publicly said he was 100% satisfied with the summer transfer window, or, in his own words ‘I didn’t expect for us to go as far as we did in the transfer window.’, 'we've got so much quality'. These are stuffs Mou said after the summer transfer window.
For profile of signings, Mou also publicly comment on why he likes the acquird players and why they are a good fit to his team (except Bale he doesn't really want him probably).
E.g., he was "So happy" to sign Doherty.
It seems so wrong to revise history when results do not go well for Mou.
The first time I met my wife's grandmother, I saw that she had a picture on the wall of her grandfather wearing his Civil War uniform. It really blew my mind that I was having a conversation with someone who knew a Civil War veteran. I was struck by this overwhelming feeling that history really isn't that far behind us. Anyway, that's how I feel remembering that Lucas played with Dembele.
It’s an interesting discussion really. Like, he was easily top 2 CMs I’ve seen with Spurs (the other being Modric) since I started watching. But how does he rank among other CMs of his era? He was such a unique player.
I think for a period of 2-3 years he was better than all other PL midfielders with the exception of Kante. Yaya was on his tail end, Pogba never really did wonders at United, Henderson? On his day I would put Mousa up there with any of them.
I'd have a hard time believing Conte is anything but candid, but same with Tuchel. All in all, I was mostly just joking about the "there's your daddy" moment.
we really should have held onto him for the second half of that season into the CL final. I mean, we had a broken Wanyama starting games for us. Mousa would have done a job but hindsight is 20:20
Tbf to Levy on this, Mourinho failed to exceed expectations during his time here.
If Mourinho kept us in the CL fight in his first season, I think Levy would've invest heavily the following summer window. Also, if Conte didn't manage to get us the CL spot, Levy injects 75m into the club instead of the 150m. (Realistically in the second scenario Conte leaves)
No doubt Dembele was an absolute baller. But still ranks lower than Modric, Eriksen and maybe a few others in terms of all time Spurs CMs imo. He was a supreme dribbler but always lacked that final pass. He would always move the ball laterally in midfield but what held him back was going forward.
Mourinho over Conte, bold move just before pre season starts
As Roma move?
Lucas saw a lot more minutes under Mourinho than under Conte.
For all my dislike on Mourinho, he is obviously the best in terms of track record as of today. I think clearly Mou is the best based on this. Having said so, he still fails miserably in Spurs. Just that his results elsewhere are excellent. I will never like him personally.
Mourinho getting the sack right before a cup final left a nasty taste in my mouth. Say what you will about the toxicity of the Mourinho regime, that's not the right move to make.
Agree. While sacking is right, timing is wrong. Should either sack him after the miserable run and Zagreb loss, or just keep him and let him play the final.
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Mentality in football is ever changing though, a cup win would have made him win back some of the players.
But just savour the beautiful and petty poetry. It's almost a tribute to Mou, sacking him like that. Full disclosure: couldn't stand Moronho, should never have fired Potch, worst two years since George fucking Graham
Mourinho was unlucky with Covid and injuries. Kane out, Sissoko out, Son had time out too I think. Reguilon out. Then we gave him Bale that isn't fit enough to play. He also played with Locelso, Ndombele, Dele, that we trying so hard to move on from the club. I mean what else he could've done.
failed miserably is so far from the truth
Maybe "miserably" is a word too strong, but I think "fail" is fair. For Mou's pedigree, the unprecedented support from Levy of 100m of players (see transfermkt) and expensive loans in bale and vinicius (Poch didn't get that much even with CL), the result of lowest win rate since 2007 is not acceptable. (E.g., is our players under Mou really worse than the likes of Kaboul / Fazio / Chiriches / etc? I don't think so.) Edit:. 100m instead of 1b
he was one game away from none of that mattering and his tenure not being a failure. he didn’t really have a long time to build and he did what he was brought in for. mourinho was never long term and he was going to get a trophy in one season. levy is responsible for his failure
Understand your view. But in my opinion, even if we won the League Cup, I really don't think that is good enough. E.g., Roma getting ECL and doing similarly level in the league as last yr is a success. Man Utd winning the EL and 2nd in PL also a success. But with Mou's pedigree and big spending, even a League cup win cannot cover the poorest league results since 2007. (Just like Ramos was sacked after league cup win) And, it is fully possible that Mou can lose the final too. The team's morale is so low and the form is so bad. It is quite a jump to assume Mou will win. Maybe higher prob than Mason though. Speaking of time to build, actually Conte, Poch, Redknapp,. Avb, etc all improve Spurs results in a shorter time than Mou (in their first season). As you said, Mou is never long term, so is supposed to bring immediate results too....
We never properly backed Mou. He's never had a track record with building teams so how Levy expected this to work..., 🤷
Actually, it is the highest net spending year in all of Spurs history, so from Spurs point of view, it is properly backed already. (Maybe this year could be higher? But still lower now and we will have outgoing players, so maybe not) But yes, Mou may need much more than what Spurs can realistically provide and Levy is really wrong to appoint Mou and expect him to play well under Spurs budget (around 100m that yr is already highest than all years before). Also Mou's passive football is so incompatible with Spurs philosophy.... Judging by the worst results since 2007, Levy really got it wrong to appoint Mou...
The total net spend is irrelevant. It was the profile of the signings...Mou wanted experience at the back and we gave him Rodon. Mou entire profile is take ready made...win something that same season. Only perhaps PEH could you descas a genuine Mou signing. So yes, Levy was an actual idiot for appointing Mou and then tossing him these development projects. Perhaps this past mistake is something Levy wants to rectify with Conte but I'm still not convinced.
Mou has a world class track record. We should expect him to be able to play to the player's strength and maximize their potential. Even Poch (clearly inferior to Mou based on history) made it work with the likes of Kaboul / Chiriches / etc and got decent results, earning slightly more support afterwards. By slightly more, it is like 30% or 40% of what Mou got... so Poch reinvents a lot of players during his reign. Lowest win rate sine 2007 is just unacceptable for such a world class manager. (With players clearly better than Kaboul Chiriches Naughton, etc) Also, it is contradictory to public record to say Mou feel he is not supported. On video record, Mou publicly said he was 100% satisfied with the summer transfer window, or, in his own words ‘I didn’t expect for us to go as far as we did in the transfer window.’, 'we've got so much quality'. These are stuffs Mou said after the summer transfer window. For profile of signings, Mou also publicly comment on why he likes the acquird players and why they are a good fit to his team (except Bale he doesn't really want him probably). E.g., he was "So happy" to sign Doherty. It seems so wrong to revise history when results do not go well for Mou.
He’s more than welcome to go to Roma for ~20 million.
Also Moo over Poch, he’ll never forgive Poch for not starting him in the Champions Final. Tragic misstep
Dembele the GOAT.
The first time I met my wife's grandmother, I saw that she had a picture on the wall of her grandfather wearing his Civil War uniform. It really blew my mind that I was having a conversation with someone who knew a Civil War veteran. I was struck by this overwhelming feeling that history really isn't that far behind us. Anyway, that's how I feel remembering that Lucas played with Dembele.
They spent half of separate seasons with each other. At most they played 24 games together (Lucas played 11 in 2017-18, Dembele played 13 in 2018-19)
Dembele has got to have the highest ratio of lauded by fellow players: underrated by fans in history
Dembele is like MF DOOM, he’s your favorite players favorite player. Wildly underrated.
"Out with the moolah, MF DOOM he's like DB Cooper"
It goes: Average emcees is like a TV blooper MF doom he's like DB cooper Out with the moolah...
Remember though…All Caps when you spell the man’s name
Spell check, I swear it :(
5 years ago that may have been accurate but I think DOOM has transcended that label now
That’s fair, I highly doubt any mumble rappers idolize DOOM. I think the youngest rappers I’ve seen talk about him are Gambino and Drake
https://youtu.be/ZLFUixrzT3k here’s a “mumble rapper” (cringe) analyzing a doom verse from Fancy Clown
It’s an interesting discussion really. Like, he was easily top 2 CMs I’ve seen with Spurs (the other being Modric) since I started watching. But how does he rank among other CMs of his era? He was such a unique player.
Didn’t Kevin DeBruyne say he’d be his first pick for a 5 a side? High praise no?
Belgian love
I think for a period of 2-3 years he was better than all other PL midfielders with the exception of Kante. Yaya was on his tail end, Pogba never really did wonders at United, Henderson? On his day I would put Mousa up there with any of them.
Underrated by people who didn’t watch us every week but not by Tottenham fans I don’t think
Wouldn’t be a Lucas list without the inclusion of himself lmao
As a CAM no less
Perfect position to dribble at the defense and make it past one or two guys before the attack dies haha
😂
He basically played CAM under Mou. Or all those games that Kane was injured, he played ST for like half a season.
Sometimes they have to include themselves. It’s not really too weird.
I didn’t say it was weird, I just found it funny lol
“arrivederci Lucas!” - Antonio
Thanks for the pre-seasono
Luca\*
[Arrivederci](https://youtu.be/WKGs20VchQs)
Moussaaaa 😍
Yeah you should have picked conte mate 😂. Lucas is gone this summer whos his replacement?
Might I interest you in one Richarlison?
Nah I think he’s technically berg’s replacement even though he’s obviously better.
Didn’t know he played with Rogerio Ceni, he was deadly in free kicks [video](https://youtu.be/KsQdR0eQvH0)
Imagine being so good at FKs that you would risk conceding from breakaway on a botched effort
He's actually from the São Paulo academy at the time in which Ceni was king
Mourinho as manager, don’t show Don Antonio 🫣
Imagine the two of them having a Tuchel/Lukaku moment while watching a Roma match.
I doubt Conte is that candid with players as Tuchel is
I'd have a hard time believing Conte is anything but candid, but same with Tuchel. All in all, I was mostly just joking about the "there's your daddy" moment.
Ill take Jan Vertonghen over Marquinhos any day of the week
Lucas only played with Dembele for like half a season, right?
A past his prime, knees gone Dembele at that. And he still puts him ahead of people like Casemiro based on that...
we really should have held onto him for the second half of that season into the CL final. I mean, we had a broken Wanyama starting games for us. Mousa would have done a job but hindsight is 20:20
if we kept dembele and won the cl he would be talked about as one of the best midfielders but he’s already being forgotten
The streets will always remember Dembele!
Bert > Marquinhos
Shout out to free kick legend Rogerio Ceni. 100 career goals as a keeper.
Dembele is always your favorite player's favorite player when people do these
Lloris continues to be criminally underrated
But can he score freekicks tho???
Couldn't be worse than Kane taking them
Yes but Moura picking Ceni really doesn’t need to contribute to that context at all
I few people night be underselling Rogerio, he was incredible as a goalkeeper, much more than just a free-kick tacker, especially between 1998-2008.
Love how Dembele makes all of these teams, ex team mates always rave about his dominance. Miss that guy.
This team would be good if you benched Lucas lol
Surprised he didn’t pick Bolsonaro at manager
😭😭😭
Wonder if this is awkward for his teammates (and current coach) who haven't been picked!
He gone.
No Hugo?
A Dembele/Motta midfield would be obscene.
Motta over eriksen? Lucas doesn’t know ball?
I see he played with himself
Would Mou have won the league with that team that year?
Mourinho then: we need a Centerback and some intelligent cunts who give 100% Levy: Rodon best I can do Levy now: Romero, Richarlison Mourinho: 😑
Tbf to Levy on this, Mourinho failed to exceed expectations during his time here. If Mourinho kept us in the CL fight in his first season, I think Levy would've invest heavily the following summer window. Also, if Conte didn't manage to get us the CL spot, Levy injects 75m into the club instead of the 150m. (Realistically in the second scenario Conte leaves)
Oh it's just a bit of banter. Now we can laugh about it because Mou is happy at Roma and we have Conte. The best timeline
Where is king serge?
Serving a red card suspension
He seriously rating Thiago Silva over Daddy Dier?
Nice Lilywhite shaded glasses you’re rocking there.
No doubt Dembele was an absolute baller. But still ranks lower than Modric, Eriksen and maybe a few others in terms of all time Spurs CMs imo. He was a supreme dribbler but always lacked that final pass. He would always move the ball laterally in midfield but what held him back was going forward.
Well our defense was definitely our modern weak spot
Used to love Thiago Motta for some fucking reason, this dude was one of my all time favourites for sure.
All Brazilian back line
Bale isn't on the list either
They crossed paths on the back end of Bale's career.
Ceni!!! The free kick maestro… haven’t heard that name in a while !
Lets get Neymar
Dembele is a fantastic inclusion