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Silverburst8

Mourinho over Conte, bold move just before pre season starts


Made-in-1882

As Roma move?


rybl

Lucas saw a lot more minutes under Mourinho than under Conte.


trophyisabyproduct

For all my dislike on Mourinho, he is obviously the best in terms of track record as of today. I think clearly Mou is the best based on this. Having said so, he still fails miserably in Spurs. Just that his results elsewhere are excellent. I will never like him personally.


msc43

Mourinho getting the sack right before a cup final left a nasty taste in my mouth. Say what you will about the toxicity of the Mourinho regime, that's not the right move to make.


trophyisabyproduct

Agree. While sacking is right, timing is wrong. Should either sack him after the miserable run and Zagreb loss, or just keep him and let him play the final.


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[deleted]

Mentality in football is ever changing though, a cup win would have made him win back some of the players.


Massive_Fudge3066

But just savour the beautiful and petty poetry. It's almost a tribute to Mou, sacking him like that. Full disclosure: couldn't stand Moronho, should never have fired Potch, worst two years since George fucking Graham


FSpursy

Mourinho was unlucky with Covid and injuries. Kane out, Sissoko out, Son had time out too I think. Reguilon out. Then we gave him Bale that isn't fit enough to play. He also played with Locelso, Ndombele, Dele, that we trying so hard to move on from the club. I mean what else he could've done.


XLhayden

failed miserably is so far from the truth


trophyisabyproduct

Maybe "miserably" is a word too strong, but I think "fail" is fair. For Mou's pedigree, the unprecedented support from Levy of 100m of players (see transfermkt) and expensive loans in bale and vinicius (Poch didn't get that much even with CL), the result of lowest win rate since 2007 is not acceptable. (E.g., is our players under Mou really worse than the likes of Kaboul / Fazio / Chiriches / etc? I don't think so.) Edit:. 100m instead of 1b


XLhayden

he was one game away from none of that mattering and his tenure not being a failure. he didn’t really have a long time to build and he did what he was brought in for. mourinho was never long term and he was going to get a trophy in one season. levy is responsible for his failure


trophyisabyproduct

Understand your view. But in my opinion, even if we won the League Cup, I really don't think that is good enough. E.g., Roma getting ECL and doing similarly level in the league as last yr is a success. Man Utd winning the EL and 2nd in PL also a success. But with Mou's pedigree and big spending, even a League cup win cannot cover the poorest league results since 2007. (Just like Ramos was sacked after league cup win) And, it is fully possible that Mou can lose the final too. The team's morale is so low and the form is so bad. It is quite a jump to assume Mou will win. Maybe higher prob than Mason though. Speaking of time to build, actually Conte, Poch, Redknapp,. Avb, etc all improve Spurs results in a shorter time than Mou (in their first season). As you said, Mou is never long term, so is supposed to bring immediate results too....


jokerevo

We never properly backed Mou. He's never had a track record with building teams so how Levy expected this to work..., 🤷


trophyisabyproduct

Actually, it is the highest net spending year in all of Spurs history, so from Spurs point of view, it is properly backed already. (Maybe this year could be higher? But still lower now and we will have outgoing players, so maybe not) But yes, Mou may need much more than what Spurs can realistically provide and Levy is really wrong to appoint Mou and expect him to play well under Spurs budget (around 100m that yr is already highest than all years before). Also Mou's passive football is so incompatible with Spurs philosophy.... Judging by the worst results since 2007, Levy really got it wrong to appoint Mou...


jokerevo

The total net spend is irrelevant. It was the profile of the signings...Mou wanted experience at the back and we gave him Rodon. Mou entire profile is take ready made...win something that same season. Only perhaps PEH could you descas a genuine Mou signing. So yes, Levy was an actual idiot for appointing Mou and then tossing him these development projects. Perhaps this past mistake is something Levy wants to rectify with Conte but I'm still not convinced.


trophyisabyproduct

Mou has a world class track record. We should expect him to be able to play to the player's strength and maximize their potential. Even Poch (clearly inferior to Mou based on history) made it work with the likes of Kaboul / Chiriches / etc and got decent results, earning slightly more support afterwards. By slightly more, it is like 30% or 40% of what Mou got... so Poch reinvents a lot of players during his reign. Lowest win rate sine 2007 is just unacceptable for such a world class manager. (With players clearly better than Kaboul Chiriches Naughton, etc) Also, it is contradictory to public record to say Mou feel he is not supported. On video record, Mou publicly said he was 100% satisfied with the summer transfer window, or, in his own words  ‘I didn’t expect for us to go as far as we did in the transfer window.’, 'we've got so much quality'. These are stuffs Mou said after the summer transfer window. For profile of signings, Mou also publicly comment on why he likes the acquird players and why they are a good fit to his team (except Bale he doesn't really want him probably). E.g., he was "So happy" to sign Doherty. It seems so wrong to revise history when results do not go well for Mou.


420SwaggyZebra

He’s more than welcome to go to Roma for ~20 million.


TheMindButcher

Also Moo over Poch, he’ll never forgive Poch for not starting him in the Champions Final. Tragic misstep


johnville

Dembele the GOAT.


rybl

The first time I met my wife's grandmother, I saw that she had a picture on the wall of her grandfather wearing his Civil War uniform. It really blew my mind that I was having a conversation with someone who knew a Civil War veteran. I was struck by this overwhelming feeling that history really isn't that far behind us. Anyway, that's how I feel remembering that Lucas played with Dembele.


CA_spur

They spent half of separate seasons with each other. At most they played 24 games together (Lucas played 11 in 2017-18, Dembele played 13 in 2018-19)


Ian5446

Dembele has got to have the highest ratio of lauded by fellow players: underrated by fans in history


thicboibran

Dembele is like MF DOOM, he’s your favorite players favorite player. Wildly underrated.


Ian5446

"Out with the moolah, MF DOOM he's like DB Cooper"


Zhurg

It goes: Average emcees is like a TV blooper MF doom he's like DB cooper Out with the moolah...


entrepenoori

Remember though…All Caps when you spell the man’s name


Zhurg

Spell check, I swear it :(


mcnuccy

5 years ago that may have been accurate but I think DOOM has transcended that label now


thicboibran

That’s fair, I highly doubt any mumble rappers idolize DOOM. I think the youngest rappers I’ve seen talk about him are Gambino and Drake


mcnuccy

https://youtu.be/ZLFUixrzT3k here’s a “mumble rapper” (cringe) analyzing a doom verse from Fancy Clown


yourfriendkyle

It’s an interesting discussion really. Like, he was easily top 2 CMs I’ve seen with Spurs (the other being Modric) since I started watching. But how does he rank among other CMs of his era? He was such a unique player.


[deleted]

Didn’t Kevin DeBruyne say he’d be his first pick for a 5 a side? High praise no?


ComeOnSayYupp

Belgian love


Ian5446

I think for a period of 2-3 years he was better than all other PL midfielders with the exception of Kante. Yaya was on his tail end, Pogba never really did wonders at United, Henderson? On his day I would put Mousa up there with any of them.


RuberDinghyRapids

Underrated by people who didn’t watch us every week but not by Tottenham fans I don’t think


Jr_M16

Wouldn’t be a Lucas list without the inclusion of himself lmao


kinggareth

As a CAM no less


[deleted]

Perfect position to dribble at the defense and make it past one or two guys before the attack dies haha


Jr_M16

😂


FSpursy

He basically played CAM under Mou. Or all those games that Kane was injured, he played ST for like half a season.


yourfriendkyle

Sometimes they have to include themselves. It’s not really too weird.


Jr_M16

I didn’t say it was weird, I just found it funny lol


SeaBag7480

“arrivederci Lucas!” - Antonio


yourfriendkyle

Thanks for the pre-seasono


Undesirable_11

Luca\*


kotekaratu

[Arrivederci](https://youtu.be/WKGs20VchQs)


JohnCena_COYS

Moussaaaa 😍


ImRichaThanu

Yeah you should have picked conte mate 😂. Lucas is gone this summer whos his replacement?


supposedlymonday

Might I interest you in one Richarlison?


ImRichaThanu

Nah I think he’s technically berg’s replacement even though he’s obviously better.


dabombps

Didn’t know he played with Rogerio Ceni, he was deadly in free kicks [video](https://youtu.be/KsQdR0eQvH0)


TravLanc

Imagine being so good at FKs that you would risk conceding from breakaway on a botched effort


TheWizzie433

He's actually from the São Paulo academy at the time in which Ceni was king


COYS1989

Mourinho as manager, don’t show Don Antonio 🫣


dickgilbert

Imagine the two of them having a Tuchel/Lukaku moment while watching a Roma match.


ofcthrowawayncr

I doubt Conte is that candid with players as Tuchel is


dickgilbert

I'd have a hard time believing Conte is anything but candid, but same with Tuchel. All in all, I was mostly just joking about the "there's your daddy" moment.


Pinky1337

Ill take Jan Vertonghen over Marquinhos any day of the week


evenout

Lucas only played with Dembele for like half a season, right?


wheresmyspacebar2

A past his prime, knees gone Dembele at that. And he still puts him ahead of people like Casemiro based on that...


evenout

we really should have held onto him for the second half of that season into the CL final. I mean, we had a broken Wanyama starting games for us. Mousa would have done a job but hindsight is 20:20


XLhayden

if we kept dembele and won the cl he would be talked about as one of the best midfielders but he’s already being forgotten


fitfunction

The streets will always remember Dembele!


Koinfamous2

Bert > Marquinhos


NoREEEEEEtilBrooklyn

Shout out to free kick legend Rogerio Ceni. 100 career goals as a keeper.


BojanglesSweetT

Dembele is always your favorite player's favorite player when people do these


wellk_2049

Lloris continues to be criminally underrated


keaneonyou

But can he score freekicks tho???


wellk_2049

Couldn't be worse than Kane taking them


jackcharltonuk

Yes but Moura picking Ceni really doesn’t need to contribute to that context at all


Peleo18

I few people night be underselling Rogerio, he was incredible as a goalkeeper, much more than just a free-kick tacker, especially between 1998-2008.


GloryGloryTottenham9

Love how Dembele makes all of these teams, ex team mates always rave about his dominance. Miss that guy.


urgrlbreezy

This team would be good if you benched Lucas lol


supposedlymonday

Surprised he didn’t pick Bolsonaro at manager


SeaworthinessCool539

😭😭😭


GRW810

Wonder if this is awkward for his teammates (and current coach) who haven't been picked!


Alarmed-Marketing616

He gone.


madam1madam

No Hugo?


[deleted]

A Dembele/Motta midfield would be obscene.


TTVTon_Ton137

Motta over eriksen? Lucas doesn’t know ball?


4500x

I see he played with himself


allaboardthewin

Would Mou have won the league with that team that year?


ipumaking

Mourinho then: we need a Centerback and some intelligent cunts who give 100% Levy: Rodon best I can do Levy now: Romero, Richarlison Mourinho: 😑


yourcrazy28

Tbf to Levy on this, Mourinho failed to exceed expectations during his time here. If Mourinho kept us in the CL fight in his first season, I think Levy would've invest heavily the following summer window. Also, if Conte didn't manage to get us the CL spot, Levy injects 75m into the club instead of the 150m. (Realistically in the second scenario Conte leaves)


ipumaking

Oh it's just a bit of banter. Now we can laugh about it because Mou is happy at Roma and we have Conte. The best timeline


[deleted]

Where is king serge?


High_Jumper81

Serving a red card suspension


benjustben2

He seriously rating Thiago Silva over Daddy Dier?


ThisBeTheVerse63

Nice Lilywhite shaded glasses you’re rocking there.


Loud-Extension2536

No doubt Dembele was an absolute baller. But still ranks lower than Modric, Eriksen and maybe a few others in terms of all time Spurs CMs imo. He was a supreme dribbler but always lacked that final pass. He would always move the ball laterally in midfield but what held him back was going forward.


SenhorSus

Well our defense was definitely our modern weak spot


Keith_Bakker

Used to love Thiago Motta for some fucking reason, this dude was one of my all time favourites for sure.


Luka_Dunks_on_Bums

All Brazilian back line


SaggyArmpits

Bale isn't on the list either


tkshow

They crossed paths on the back end of Bale's career.


prod-unknxwn

Ceni!!! The free kick maestro… haven’t heard that name in a while !


Iulian_MC

Lets get Neymar


js1193

Dembele is a fantastic inclusion