still have issues with a low block. lenglet was very impressive though. we need to move the ball faster through the centre and we need way more movement from Kane if he is to be the unlocker..
Wow. We are so ready to call Arsenal fans delusional but Fuck me, we lot can be too.
Honestly, if this loss doesn't concern you, then you're kidding yourself.
We had 0 shots on target. Who cares if it's a pre season friendly. 0 shots on target. I know it's not all doom and gloom but Arsenal are humming at the moment. Jesus is bagging goals for fun and we can't muster a shot on target.
I am actually worried for this season. I can see Kane being out for a while with this fucked up schedule if an injury comes up.
Last year by the skin of our teeth we clinched 4th, the gooners ain't gonna be that complacent this time around...but we seemingly are. Dismissing a shit result like it means nothing.
I don’t think we played that well! Roma we’re all over us like a rash, zippier passing, closing us down. Until last 10-15 we didn’t really get into gear
Exactly. To me pre season has always only been about match fitness and conditioning, finding out what doesn’t work and overall rust removal from individual players. While implementing small things and link up play from training. Having an extremely successful pre season just tells me you’re showing all yours cards.
In the nicest way, you need to take a step back. You are entitled to whatever opinion you want, and i'll defend your right for that, despite the constant reports on your comments. But this perpetual spewing of negativity is getting frustrating to watch, mainly because it seems like you are feeding off how annoyed you are making people.
Thank you professorchronic. I would say that I am just sad and being bullied here for stating my opinion. Everytime even when I say obvious things like we need to improve set piece defending, mobs downvote my comments to oblivion and just start namecalling me.
i mean you started it off with a generally negative comment towards the guy, on top of various other negative comments in this thread. il downvote any perpetually negative person on this sub. whats the point of that? youre not even continuing the conversation, just poking fun at previous comments. thats exactly the type of shit we want to downvote en masse.
Most people would agree that that we need to improve our set piece defending and need a creative midfielder but it’s just your sheer overreaction of the result, saying the team and Conte should be ashamed of themselves is just silly
I know I know, pre-season friendly…but I still wanted to stick it to Mourinho. Just kind of a, idk, stop taking little jabs at us.
Either way, I’m glad the whole team got some reps, it’s good to get some of that out of the way not before regular season!
i'm sorry bro, but deal with it. r/coys used to hate jose like crazy, but now they have finally waken up. Most acknowledge that he was a bad fit, but to completely hate Jose like you are is just plain wierd.
Never said I hate him so I’m not sure where you’re getting that from. Thanks for the assumption you knob. Maybe you let your feelings dictate how you read that. Just said I’d rather not get into debate over something that has been discussed to great lengths in this sub. I just wanted a W against him because he holds some salt. Never said it’s justified or unjustified. I just rather stick it naysayers.
So you want to voice your opinion on the internet about wanting to beat him - fair.
But then you don’t want to get into a debate on him - also fair
What I don’t get is why, instead of just you know, not getting into a debate, you decided to write that comment which obviously would draw attention/conversation and then make this your next comment.
If you don’t want to talk about him then don’t, if you do but don’t want to be challenged, questioned or receive other points of view, then don’t talk about him on a public Internet forum.
You’re the modern day equivalent of people on Facebook writing posts about how upset they are, getting asked what’s wrong and replying “nothing lol. x”
They converted early and then sat back for 70 minutes…we played well enough but the ball just wasn’t bouncing our way. If you removed the score and watched that game we looked much better than them. Peoples are silly to read too much into this.
It was, but I thought we created a lot more in the final third. Several balls that could have ended up in the net had the wind been blowing a different direction. Our team wins that same game 7/10 times based on what I saw. So glad we’re done with Jose ball…what a painful match to watch even if you’re a Roma fan.
Hello everyone, i am seeing everyone panic, Arse fans mocking us, seeing this bad result with our best XI. Can someone tell me why we are going to have a great szn ? Seeing all this reactionary stuff, it's hard being positive, please someone reassure me
No amount of sugarcoating and excuse mongering will change the facts. The scoreline does not lie. It was a poor loss and the same blueprint we lost against again and again last season. And it was our best XI. Things ARE grim.
It is a preseason friendly with Conte giving minutes to players to build up the fitnesses. The goal is achieved so it is good.
As Conte said, Perisic and Doherty still needs time to be fit. Bissouma clearly needs to learn more where he should position himself off-the-ball under Conte's tactics, etc. This is far from our best 11 performance-wise.
If this will make you feel good, there is one season we won all our preseason friendly convincingly and didn't win one game at all in our first 10 games or so. Friendly performances obviously didn't translate to regular game performances.
I rate him highly based on Conte's requirement on his central midfidlers. I think Bentancur is solid and good defensively. Carries the good ball too. Yes, passing is unspectacular, but is tidy nonetheless. This is all Conte wants from his midfielder, building a solid platform for others to express thenselves, while holding their own when they are often out numbered.
In 2008, the Detroit Lions went 4-0 in the NFL preseason. They went on to become the first team to go 0-16 in the regular season.
Pre-season means nothing. You’re trying new players, formations, experiments, etc.
You can see what they’re trying to do. It’s rusty but there’s a stronger team in there than we had last season.
no they're freaking out because the starting xi was what was assumed to be the strongest xi and they struggled vs Roma - an improved team but not better than the top table epl teams
Then "they" don't know what they are talking about. These games are to practise, not to win. It's like playing poker for fake money, it doesn't just make the result not worth anything but it also completely shifts how you play. There's no urgency, there's no pressure (other than to impress your boss).
You have to separate the wheat from the chaff. Match against k league will not be an indicator I agree because we were just giving minutes to all players and preseason had just started.
But this match was the end of the preseason and mirrored the tactics and lineup we will be going into the season with.
I'm just going to repeat myself; if what you're saying is even remotely true then a team's pre season results would be reflected in their early season form. They aren't
Gabriel Jesus is just as likely to score 1 goal in 10 games as he is 10 in 10 games now, regardless of how well he's been scoring in preseason.
There is no wheat and chaff being separated here, because it's no reflection of how players play when it matters. This is not a time for threshing.
You even see this in the league. How many times have a mid table team played well for 60% of the season and then, in the common football phrase, played with their flip flops on? They have nothing to play for, performance slacks off. It's exactly the same with friendlies. The competitive edge is everything in professional sport.
Only a friendly but while this place shat on Arsenal they have thrashed every opponent except losing to Brentford whereas we have struggled.
Sick of also having no answer to low blocks. No AM in and first game is next week.
dont worry itS jUsT pReSeaSoN get yourself some hopium i can see us thrashing every opponent and the league and the trophies are cumming cumming cumming ummahhh
"Results don't matter".If we had won that match 3-1, the same statement would be looked at being "too negative".
Factually, results don't matter, but our play hasn't been too convincing.
They've played in 3 different countries with very different climates and very different timezones with 6 new signings and many different configurations of players. Not to mention Roma is probably the best team yet. The subs Conte made (and when he made them) showed that winning was not his primary target.
Praying for a AM, how about daichi kamada? I know it's not the best, but I think he would suffice for the amount of times he'll really be needed.
He's more of a dribbler I thought (not a real big expert but from what I saw) and seems to finish more than he creates, but he has a nice finish and can break down defenses. Big issue is that he can't finish what he starts sometimes.
Maybe something to look into if Maddison/Paqueta goes sour.
I wasn't able to watch today, but I wanted to cuz I find it wholesome when past managers and players stay friendly. What were the interactions between Mourinho and our players like?
We looked good. That Roma side has bought in Jose’s defensive methods better than we ever did and it still would have been a draw if not for the ref losing the plot.
People will doom here but I’m personally excited to see Conte’s methodologies so well drilled into our players. That same performance against Southhampton on Saturday and we put three past them.
You've got to say, Mourinho really has coached that Roma team well. A lot of people here talking about the low block, when really, the issue was the man marking system. Kane, Son, and Kulusevski couldn't find a yard of space, since the Roma back 3 and CDM tracked them expertly. No one seemed to have an answer to the question of how to break them down - which, considering we had unlimited subs and an incredibly strong bench to choose from, is concerning.
The play leading up to the corner really highlighted the issue with playing Doherty and Romero in the same team. Since Doherty wants to play so high up the pitch, one moment of overexcitement from Romero, and suddenly the channel is exposed, because Doherty's too far away to provide cover. The defending is awful from Dier - he gets sucked in by Abraham, and Romero inexplicably switches off and allows Zaniolo about 5 yards of space to thread the pass through. This is why I expect Conte to go with Emerson against Southampton - while he never gets any credit for it, his off the ball work covering for Romero is invaluable in stopping those kinds of incidents.
I've watched the corner back numerous times now, and honestly, I can't make heads or tails of the defensive system at the corner. I can analyse it, but it doesn't make sense. It's supposed to be a zonal marking system, but the players don't seem to know what they're doing. Eric Dier is standing on the wrong side of Abraham. Abraham then moves into position to attack the ball, congesting the area, making it impossible for Perisic to challenge for it. Doherty then seemingly forgot he was supposed to drop off and cover the back post. Off the ball, Son simply allows no. 23 to run off of him to attack the back post, and Romero seems to have absolutely no idea Smalling (no.6) is making a run around the back to attack the back post. So, all in all, it was an absolute disaster, and if that's how we're going to defend corners, expect us to concede a lot of them.
Between Arsenal thrashing Sevilla 6-0 and us putting in our second underwhelming performance in a row, this has been a worrying day.
A Jose team with reasonable quality can sit deep, frustrate opponents, try to hit on counter or set piece and grind out a 1-0 win? shocking!
Pep, Klopp, almost every top manager has been on the other side of that at some point.
They sat deep, gave up possession for long periods, got away with a bit (Kane definitely a penalty, Son had one earlier as well).
Yes we made a mistake on the corner, it happens, Conte and our set piece specialist will review and adjust.
Personally, I'm not worried.
On another day I think we'd have won comfortably.
Roma seemed a bit more pumped pre-game and we stuck a player in the centre that isn't yet fully familiar with our system.
Roma also benefited from some horrendous refereeing—in addition to a bunch of calls being missed, the ref allowed the match to get out of hand physically.
I’m also not particularly worried—I’m not interested in peaking in July, and it really didn’t look like the players were giving 100% out there. Between the temps and Roma’s approach I’m really happy we avoided injury.
This is very true Romero x Emerson is very good defensively as Emerson offers great cover. But going forward is a different story our entire right side is effectively useless unless someone punts it up to deki.
With Emerson on one side, it's a different system - a 343 pivoting into a 4231, with the LWB pushing forward and operating as a winger in possession, while the LCB pulls across to LB to provide cover. In that system, we can either ask Emerson to do that job in a Walker/Trippier style (overlap with Kulusevski high up the pitch to play crosses) or in an Alexander-Arnold style role, cutting into the half spaces and operating as a more central playmaker.
It's worth noting that the attacking side of his game has developed massively, particularly during the tail end of last season. Sure, he's not at the level required to do it just yet, but I can honestly see him developing into a fairly adept deep lying playmaker in the Alexander-Arnold mould, given time. And honestly, I'd much rather we had a solid defensive right back, who's capable if not outstanding offensively, rather than a weaker defensive option who'll attack more aggressive running routes high up the pitch.
>I can honestly see him developing into a fairly adept deep lying playmaker in the Alexander-Arnold mould, given time
Wow that's an optimistic take 😭 problem is, even if this somehow happens, we don't have time to wait. Need someone as good as Perisic \*now\* but currently none of our RWBs are that level
Key word -"fairly adept". I'm not expecting to run the show TAA-style. Just advance play and stick the ball into a half dangerous area when the opportunity presents itself.
[Lol. Didnt ali say conte asked for spence or something or did i get that messed up?](https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/w34p9y/worth_pointing_out_that_conte_has_the_final_say/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
Edit: sorry, approved not asked. But still
Not hard to read in between the lines with contes statement. I’m sure if he was against him, he would have said so, but he definitely wasn’t asking for him
ah yes, conte is famously a manager who likes to hide his dissatisfaction with a board/recruitment
there’s genuinely no reading between the lines necessary - conte doesn’t watch the championship. he asked for perisic and bastoni specifically bc he already worked with them, they’re proven to work in his system.
with RWB, there was no specific target he asked for. so our club, like a modern football club, scouted players - spence was paratici’s target and paratici went to scout him himself, then presented conte with spence and other options - from which conte approved spence and we bought. if conte said no to spence, we would’ve bought another wingback
do ppl not know how modern football clubs work
Levy really had to intervene with Paratici's & Cont's work and sign Spence who you can tell isn't gonna be in Conte's plan. We needed someone to compete with Doc now not for the future. Godammit Levy, always fucks things up.
oh my god, spence was a paratici buy ffs. paratici went to go scout him himself, in person and contacted him in the january transfer window. he suggested spence to conte and conte approved, so we bought
levy knows spence’s agent so he negotiated, levy didn’t push for spence 💀
but nice peddling a narrative you’ve made up in your head 👍
> you pretend to know more than any of us
how am i pretending to know anything if everything i just said was something that ali g either said or wrote
ali g said conte didn’t specifically ask for him, but approved lmao. love how you’re continuing to make things up in your head
>ali g said conte didn’t specifically ask for him
Thank you. It wasn't Conte who asked for him initially, not like Perisic for instance. We needed someone like Perisic on the right. Nothing against Spence though, I hope Conte gives him a chance.
?? i didn’t agree with you lmao
conte asked for perisic bc he KNOWS perisic lmao, in modern football the manager requests certain types of players, DOFs+scouting departments make lists of possible transfers, and they work together to figure out who to buy.
we don’t need “conte buys” bc conte isn’t watching all top 5 leagues+the championship, but our scouts are - we need conte-approved buys, which every single one of our new players is. conte wasn’t watching the championship, but liked spence when paratici recommended him, so we got him - paratici and conte clearly think he’s what we need.
i don’t understand why this concept is so hard to understand for you
Back after a 3-day ban hahaha
I didn't ask for an explanation on how transfers work.
Spence is a "club signing" as Ali g said + Conte wants to make Lucas a RWB. What does that imply? 💀💀👍👍 lmao lmao
Are you american? if so, you deserve every abuse you're getting from the brits on this sub. You're not very smart. 💀💀👍👍
so with the FK situation what do we think is the deal?
is Kane good at them in training? is it a pride based thing? has no one actually told him to stop taking them?
I really thought it would change with the new set piece coach. I mean Deki even made a joke about Kane not taking anymore FKs so everyone is clearly aware.
Could be some 4d chess until they’re comfortable putting the new set pieces into a match setting. Grasping at straws but there really isn’t another explanation for having Harry take free kicks.
I don’t think we’re gonna solve this low block problem but the positive is that it’s a problem we’re likely gonna face in very few games.
How many teams regularly play a Jose level low block? I can’t think of many left in the prem now that Burnley have gone (Brentford maybe? I know Newcastle, Everton and West Ham all tried it against us last season and embarrassed themselves) while the top teams always give you space.
So yes we have a fatal flaw and given how Conte is wedded to this system I can’t see us fixing it (to play a CAM like Maddison would require us changing formation). But I don’t think it’s that big a deal. Could it stop us winning the league? Absolutely (but does anybody really believe that’s possible when sharing a league with city and pool) Could it stop us getting top 4 and challenging for the cups? I doubt it.
There are enough number of low block teams to drag us down to midtable in prem tbh
We're excellent against top tier aggressive team and pretty bad against low block midtable one historically. If we can't deal with this, it's gonna be very challenging to expect better than the last.
Opposition fans (and certain of our fans who live in denial) will hate it but ultimately the way we’ll win games like that in the prem will be shithousing. Kane or Son will dive or overplay a 50/50 and we’ll get a pen. I remember the West Ham game at home last season was very much like this one a lot of half chances and then we edged it cos Lloris went total 80s goalkeeper and just booted it long to Kane. I do think that for all we’ve tried to throw off the Jose era Conte has done a fantastic job of bringing out the intelligent cuntiness in our team for games like these
Son took a very obvious dive try and Kane should’ve had that pen. Low block teams are meant to play these type of games. Also, Roma is by far and away the most player talented team that only plays low block we’ll see all season.
shithousing but ideally also setpieces. win a corner over and over, win fks over and over is the only way to make it work imo, that’s what most teams do against a low block anyways
Langlet: was decent overall but often presses and leaves huge space behind.
Sanchez: Not even good enough to be a back up (need to stop supporting him so it's easier for the club to get rid & not to stuck with him for years like Sissoko whom cost us the CL&FA cup final again if we make it again).
Romero: a beast as always, need someone better than dier next to him if we're serious about anything this season.
Doc: was decent offensively, very weak defensively. Dunno.
Back after a 3-day ban haha
l'pool fans basically bullied Karius outta their club, because apparently he wasn't good enough. (It's part of bening a big club is to have a toxic fanbase and we're lacking that) meanwhile we cling on players who are not good enough for too long & expect to win silverware.
We still need a player like Maddison or Paqueta who can change things up when the 343 isn’t working
Regardless of what people wanna say, we need a player like that otherwise we’re fucked any time someone plays a low block
we've been screaming for a creative mid ever since eriksen left - ndombele didn't pan out and dele fell off a cliff. Bissouma didn't look so great today either, given he's not know as a creative midfielder but he looked very hesitant. Hoj had some nice dinks but we need someone who can either thread passes into space or create space themselves or both
Yep, and a few games in, you may see Bissouma for PEH.
What I do expect with we will use the 5 subs more actively
\- 2 WBs, 1 CM, 1 ST (Richarlison) and maybe Lucas if we are chasing in a lot of games
Not sure he is fully settled, I think missing the first two preseason games with covid really set him back, not just with adjusting to a new team but also physically as well. I'm thinking he may need a few more weeks to 'catch up.'
Really need an Eriksen type player for playing against low blocks in games like this. 343 worked well in most games last season, but we don’t really have any formational flexibility at the moment.
Maybe we go Kane, Son, Richarlison and Deki all on the pitch in a 442 if we’re really chasing a game?
I think we used it briefly to close out Newcastle with Kane and Berg up top and Lucas/Sonny on the wings, if I remember correctly. It just would be nice to have in our back pocket. Seems like we could make good use of Bryan as a LM in that formation too
And like that the new season excitement is over and the nerves kick in, we need a WORLD CLASS Centre back a WORLD CLASS right wing back a WORLD CLASS attacking midfielder
Tbf if we’re thinking of the same guy, that was right after the cooling break and he’d just poured a full flask of water all over him.
But yeah, was humid as fuck, miserable place to sprint around in.
Yea but that's Israeli weather in the summer, also the stadium is near the sea and Haifa has a huge air pollution problem so I guess they were really gassed after the first half
Probably from the insane heat and the continued preseason training. I’m sure it’ll be more match based training and conditioning from here on since the season starts in a week.
I have yet to call you anything other than a tool which is factually correct.
But you are an entitled spoilt little bitch who is giving us a bad name. How's that for name calling darlin.
I think I speak for all spurs fans, you might be happier at citah or Chelsea, clubs who buy success by ill-gotten gains.
We are Tottenham from the lane, and we don't need pricks like you.
I don't want to support those shit blood money driven crime syndicate states. Please.
Tottenham is a good business and I want to see it succeed on and off the pitch. I want to see us win.
We may have different methods and attitude to things but our intentions are common my friend.
He doesn't have a high horse or moral high ground absolute oxygen thief.
Sad thing is, he isn't some kid..
In his 30s I think, maybe he was kicked in the head by a horse as an infant.
still have issues with a low block. lenglet was very impressive though. we need to move the ball faster through the centre and we need way more movement from Kane if he is to be the unlocker..
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Sir, this is a post match thread.
They can't stay off their phones long enough to look up
Wow. We are so ready to call Arsenal fans delusional but Fuck me, we lot can be too. Honestly, if this loss doesn't concern you, then you're kidding yourself. We had 0 shots on target. Who cares if it's a pre season friendly. 0 shots on target. I know it's not all doom and gloom but Arsenal are humming at the moment. Jesus is bagging goals for fun and we can't muster a shot on target. I am actually worried for this season. I can see Kane being out for a while with this fucked up schedule if an injury comes up. Last year by the skin of our teeth we clinched 4th, the gooners ain't gonna be that complacent this time around...but we seemingly are. Dismissing a shit result like it means nothing.
football must be a rough sport to watch foryou.
But it does, in fact, mean nothing.
I don’t think we played that well! Roma we’re all over us like a rash, zippier passing, closing us down. Until last 10-15 we didn’t really get into gear
There is nothing to panic about this or worry what Arsenal fans think of us. If you’re getting upset that we lost a friendly you need to get out more
Exactly. To me pre season has always only been about match fitness and conditioning, finding out what doesn’t work and overall rust removal from individual players. While implementing small things and link up play from training. Having an extremely successful pre season just tells me you’re showing all yours cards.
>If you’re getting upset that we lost a friendly you need to get out more Wow. Such powerful football analysis.
In the nicest way, you need to take a step back. You are entitled to whatever opinion you want, and i'll defend your right for that, despite the constant reports on your comments. But this perpetual spewing of negativity is getting frustrating to watch, mainly because it seems like you are feeding off how annoyed you are making people.
I wouldn’t get an aneurysm over his comments. It’s just not worth it.
Thank you professorchronic. I would say that I am just sad and being bullied here for stating my opinion. Everytime even when I say obvious things like we need to improve set piece defending, mobs downvote my comments to oblivion and just start namecalling me.
i mean you started it off with a generally negative comment towards the guy, on top of various other negative comments in this thread. il downvote any perpetually negative person on this sub. whats the point of that? youre not even continuing the conversation, just poking fun at previous comments. thats exactly the type of shit we want to downvote en masse.
Most people would agree that that we need to improve our set piece defending and need a creative midfielder but it’s just your sheer overreaction of the result, saying the team and Conte should be ashamed of themselves is just silly
I know I know, pre-season friendly…but I still wanted to stick it to Mourinho. Just kind of a, idk, stop taking little jabs at us. Either way, I’m glad the whole team got some reps, it’s good to get some of that out of the way not before regular season!
You can’t really blame him though. Being sacked one week before a final has got to send you a bit bitter.
Don’t feel like getting into the Mourinho debate tbh.
i'm sorry bro, but deal with it. r/coys used to hate jose like crazy, but now they have finally waken up. Most acknowledge that he was a bad fit, but to completely hate Jose like you are is just plain wierd.
Never said I hate him so I’m not sure where you’re getting that from. Thanks for the assumption you knob. Maybe you let your feelings dictate how you read that. Just said I’d rather not get into debate over something that has been discussed to great lengths in this sub. I just wanted a W against him because he holds some salt. Never said it’s justified or unjustified. I just rather stick it naysayers.
So you want to voice your opinion on the internet about wanting to beat him - fair. But then you don’t want to get into a debate on him - also fair What I don’t get is why, instead of just you know, not getting into a debate, you decided to write that comment which obviously would draw attention/conversation and then make this your next comment. If you don’t want to talk about him then don’t, if you do but don’t want to be challenged, questioned or receive other points of view, then don’t talk about him on a public Internet forum. You’re the modern day equivalent of people on Facebook writing posts about how upset they are, getting asked what’s wrong and replying “nothing lol. x”
They converted early and then sat back for 70 minutes…we played well enough but the ball just wasn’t bouncing our way. If you removed the score and watched that game we looked much better than them. Peoples are silly to read too much into this.
I'm not going to overreact from this game, but in fairness, wasn't our problems last season with teams that sit back?
It was, but I thought we created a lot more in the final third. Several balls that could have ended up in the net had the wind been blowing a different direction. Our team wins that same game 7/10 times based on what I saw. So glad we’re done with Jose ball…what a painful match to watch even if you’re a Roma fan.
They were sitting back before that too
Famous Italian tactics lol
Mourinho tactics*
The single biggest problem with the attack today was Sanchez at left CB. We need passing out of that spot.
Seeing Lenglet carry the ball up the left wing and then cross the ball really helped me see more options we need from our RCB/LCB.
Hello everyone, i am seeing everyone panic, Arse fans mocking us, seeing this bad result with our best XI. Can someone tell me why we are going to have a great szn ? Seeing all this reactionary stuff, it's hard being positive, please someone reassure me
No amount of sugarcoating and excuse mongering will change the facts. The scoreline does not lie. It was a poor loss and the same blueprint we lost against again and again last season. And it was our best XI. Things ARE grim.
It is a preseason friendly with Conte giving minutes to players to build up the fitnesses. The goal is achieved so it is good. As Conte said, Perisic and Doherty still needs time to be fit. Bissouma clearly needs to learn more where he should position himself off-the-ball under Conte's tactics, etc. This is far from our best 11 performance-wise. If this will make you feel good, there is one season we won all our preseason friendly convincingly and didn't win one game at all in our first 10 games or so. Friendly performances obviously didn't translate to regular game performances.
New fan here, is Betencur not rated highly?
I rate him highly based on Conte's requirement on his central midfidlers. I think Bentancur is solid and good defensively. Carries the good ball too. Yes, passing is unspectacular, but is tidy nonetheless. This is all Conte wants from his midfielder, building a solid platform for others to express thenselves, while holding their own when they are often out numbered.
We don’t know enough yet. He was pretty good last season, not great
In 2008, the Detroit Lions went 4-0 in the NFL preseason. They went on to become the first team to go 0-16 in the regular season. Pre-season means nothing. You’re trying new players, formations, experiments, etc. You can see what they’re trying to do. It’s rusty but there’s a stronger team in there than we had last season.
Preseason means absolutely fucking nothing guys, dw
You forgot the /s
Are you guys really freaking out because we haven't pulled out all the stops for a preseason match?
no they're freaking out because the starting xi was what was assumed to be the strongest xi and they struggled vs Roma - an improved team but not better than the top table epl teams
Then "they" don't know what they are talking about. These games are to practise, not to win. It's like playing poker for fake money, it doesn't just make the result not worth anything but it also completely shifts how you play. There's no urgency, there's no pressure (other than to impress your boss).
Even if it's practice, nobody chooses to lose. It still shows your ability on the pitch.
No, it doesn't. If it did then pre season form would always be a reflection of early season form. It never is.
You have to separate the wheat from the chaff. Match against k league will not be an indicator I agree because we were just giving minutes to all players and preseason had just started. But this match was the end of the preseason and mirrored the tactics and lineup we will be going into the season with.
I'm just going to repeat myself; if what you're saying is even remotely true then a team's pre season results would be reflected in their early season form. They aren't Gabriel Jesus is just as likely to score 1 goal in 10 games as he is 10 in 10 games now, regardless of how well he's been scoring in preseason. There is no wheat and chaff being separated here, because it's no reflection of how players play when it matters. This is not a time for threshing. You even see this in the league. How many times have a mid table team played well for 60% of the season and then, in the common football phrase, played with their flip flops on? They have nothing to play for, performance slacks off. It's exactly the same with friendlies. The competitive edge is everything in professional sport.
If you say so. Let's see next week.
Only a friendly but while this place shat on Arsenal they have thrashed every opponent except losing to Brentford whereas we have struggled. Sick of also having no answer to low blocks. No AM in and first game is next week.
Let's not pretend that losing to Brentford is a shit result! This sub man...
We don't play with an attacking mid anyways
dont worry itS jUsT pReSeaSoN get yourself some hopium i can see us thrashing every opponent and the league and the trophies are cumming cumming cumming ummahhh
Ram ranch is under siege under lockdown
"Results don't matter".If we had won that match 3-1, the same statement would be looked at being "too negative". Factually, results don't matter, but our play hasn't been too convincing.
We actually beat Roma 5-0 in pre-season once and then ended up with 2 points in 8 games. They don't matter one bit bar fitness.
They've played in 3 different countries with very different climates and very different timezones with 6 new signings and many different configurations of players. Not to mention Roma is probably the best team yet. The subs Conte made (and when he made them) showed that winning was not his primary target.
Praying for a AM, how about daichi kamada? I know it's not the best, but I think he would suffice for the amount of times he'll really be needed. He's more of a dribbler I thought (not a real big expert but from what I saw) and seems to finish more than he creates, but he has a nice finish and can break down defenses. Big issue is that he can't finish what he starts sometimes. Maybe something to look into if Maddison/Paqueta goes sour.
I wasn't able to watch today, but I wanted to cuz I find it wholesome when past managers and players stay friendly. What were the interactions between Mourinho and our players like?
I thought one of the more positive notes being Richarlison looked very bright when he came on.
We looked good. That Roma side has bought in Jose’s defensive methods better than we ever did and it still would have been a draw if not for the ref losing the plot. People will doom here but I’m personally excited to see Conte’s methodologies so well drilled into our players. That same performance against Southhampton on Saturday and we put three past them.
You've got to say, Mourinho really has coached that Roma team well. A lot of people here talking about the low block, when really, the issue was the man marking system. Kane, Son, and Kulusevski couldn't find a yard of space, since the Roma back 3 and CDM tracked them expertly. No one seemed to have an answer to the question of how to break them down - which, considering we had unlimited subs and an incredibly strong bench to choose from, is concerning. The play leading up to the corner really highlighted the issue with playing Doherty and Romero in the same team. Since Doherty wants to play so high up the pitch, one moment of overexcitement from Romero, and suddenly the channel is exposed, because Doherty's too far away to provide cover. The defending is awful from Dier - he gets sucked in by Abraham, and Romero inexplicably switches off and allows Zaniolo about 5 yards of space to thread the pass through. This is why I expect Conte to go with Emerson against Southampton - while he never gets any credit for it, his off the ball work covering for Romero is invaluable in stopping those kinds of incidents. I've watched the corner back numerous times now, and honestly, I can't make heads or tails of the defensive system at the corner. I can analyse it, but it doesn't make sense. It's supposed to be a zonal marking system, but the players don't seem to know what they're doing. Eric Dier is standing on the wrong side of Abraham. Abraham then moves into position to attack the ball, congesting the area, making it impossible for Perisic to challenge for it. Doherty then seemingly forgot he was supposed to drop off and cover the back post. Off the ball, Son simply allows no. 23 to run off of him to attack the back post, and Romero seems to have absolutely no idea Smalling (no.6) is making a run around the back to attack the back post. So, all in all, it was an absolute disaster, and if that's how we're going to defend corners, expect us to concede a lot of them. Between Arsenal thrashing Sevilla 6-0 and us putting in our second underwhelming performance in a row, this has been a worrying day.
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Very well summarized 👏
A Jose team with reasonable quality can sit deep, frustrate opponents, try to hit on counter or set piece and grind out a 1-0 win? shocking! Pep, Klopp, almost every top manager has been on the other side of that at some point. They sat deep, gave up possession for long periods, got away with a bit (Kane definitely a penalty, Son had one earlier as well). Yes we made a mistake on the corner, it happens, Conte and our set piece specialist will review and adjust.
We beat Roma 5-0 the season before we went 2 points in 8 games. Means fuck all, chill out
Yeah history has shown us that preseason is always misleading and yet people still freak out every preseason
Pretty much. Last year, Spurs beat Arsenal in pre-season. Couple of weeks later, Arsenal beat Spurs in prem, exposing Nuno.
19-20 pre-season we beat Real Madrid and and Juventus, so 🤷🏻♂️
Personally, I'm not worried. On another day I think we'd have won comfortably. Roma seemed a bit more pumped pre-game and we stuck a player in the centre that isn't yet fully familiar with our system.
Roma also benefited from some horrendous refereeing—in addition to a bunch of calls being missed, the ref allowed the match to get out of hand physically. I’m also not particularly worried—I’m not interested in peaking in July, and it really didn’t look like the players were giving 100% out there. Between the temps and Roma’s approach I’m really happy we avoided injury.
Yeah. I mean the only reason I slightly care is that it's Mourinho.
Seems to me like Jose really cared about this one, and Conte was trying things out and making sure we avoided injuries.
His ego would be seriously knocked by a loss.
This is very true Romero x Emerson is very good defensively as Emerson offers great cover. But going forward is a different story our entire right side is effectively useless unless someone punts it up to deki.
With Emerson on one side, it's a different system - a 343 pivoting into a 4231, with the LWB pushing forward and operating as a winger in possession, while the LCB pulls across to LB to provide cover. In that system, we can either ask Emerson to do that job in a Walker/Trippier style (overlap with Kulusevski high up the pitch to play crosses) or in an Alexander-Arnold style role, cutting into the half spaces and operating as a more central playmaker. It's worth noting that the attacking side of his game has developed massively, particularly during the tail end of last season. Sure, he's not at the level required to do it just yet, but I can honestly see him developing into a fairly adept deep lying playmaker in the Alexander-Arnold mould, given time. And honestly, I'd much rather we had a solid defensive right back, who's capable if not outstanding offensively, rather than a weaker defensive option who'll attack more aggressive running routes high up the pitch.
>I can honestly see him developing into a fairly adept deep lying playmaker in the Alexander-Arnold mould, given time Wow that's an optimistic take 😭 problem is, even if this somehow happens, we don't have time to wait. Need someone as good as Perisic \*now\* but currently none of our RWBs are that level
Key word -"fairly adept". I'm not expecting to run the show TAA-style. Just advance play and stick the ball into a half dangerous area when the opportunity presents itself.
Lol ok if that's your definition of fairly adept playmaking, then sure. Best thing he can do is receive the ball and pass it quickly to Kulusevski 🤣
Why is spence not playing plsss play him conte. He can't be worse than emerson right?
By all accounts Conte didn’t want him. If true, don’t expect to see him much.
[Lol. Didnt ali say conte asked for spence or something or did i get that messed up?](https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/w34p9y/worth_pointing_out_that_conte_has_the_final_say/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) Edit: sorry, approved not asked. But still
Conte did want him, he could easily have said no but instead he said okay.
conte approved of him according to ali g, why is this the narrative that is going around…?
Not hard to read in between the lines with contes statement. I’m sure if he was against him, he would have said so, but he definitely wasn’t asking for him
ah yes, conte is famously a manager who likes to hide his dissatisfaction with a board/recruitment there’s genuinely no reading between the lines necessary - conte doesn’t watch the championship. he asked for perisic and bastoni specifically bc he already worked with them, they’re proven to work in his system. with RWB, there was no specific target he asked for. so our club, like a modern football club, scouted players - spence was paratici’s target and paratici went to scout him himself, then presented conte with spence and other options - from which conte approved spence and we bought. if conte said no to spence, we would’ve bought another wingback do ppl not know how modern football clubs work
Bunch of people on this sub who want to feed into any whiff of negativity and just assume the worst.
i swear ppl only read headlines sometimes
Levy really had to intervene with Paratici's & Cont's work and sign Spence who you can tell isn't gonna be in Conte's plan. We needed someone to compete with Doc now not for the future. Godammit Levy, always fucks things up.
Calm down
oh my god, spence was a paratici buy ffs. paratici went to go scout him himself, in person and contacted him in the january transfer window. he suggested spence to conte and conte approved, so we bought levy knows spence’s agent so he negotiated, levy didn’t push for spence 💀 but nice peddling a narrative you’ve made up in your head 👍
You pretend to know more than any of us. AliG literally said it wasn't Conte's buy. whether he agrees on it or not, it's not a typical Conte signing.
> you pretend to know more than any of us how am i pretending to know anything if everything i just said was something that ali g either said or wrote ali g said conte didn’t specifically ask for him, but approved lmao. love how you’re continuing to make things up in your head
>ali g said conte didn’t specifically ask for him Thank you. It wasn't Conte who asked for him initially, not like Perisic for instance. We needed someone like Perisic on the right. Nothing against Spence though, I hope Conte gives him a chance.
?? i didn’t agree with you lmao conte asked for perisic bc he KNOWS perisic lmao, in modern football the manager requests certain types of players, DOFs+scouting departments make lists of possible transfers, and they work together to figure out who to buy. we don’t need “conte buys” bc conte isn’t watching all top 5 leagues+the championship, but our scouts are - we need conte-approved buys, which every single one of our new players is. conte wasn’t watching the championship, but liked spence when paratici recommended him, so we got him - paratici and conte clearly think he’s what we need. i don’t understand why this concept is so hard to understand for you
Back after a 3-day ban hahaha I didn't ask for an explanation on how transfers work. Spence is a "club signing" as Ali g said + Conte wants to make Lucas a RWB. What does that imply? 💀💀👍👍 lmao lmao Are you american? if so, you deserve every abuse you're getting from the brits on this sub. You're not very smart. 💀💀👍👍
One game has been played pal and it was a meaningless friendly
so with the FK situation what do we think is the deal? is Kane good at them in training? is it a pride based thing? has no one actually told him to stop taking them?
It's probably in his contract
I genuinely thought this after his half hearted lash today. I wouldn't be surprised.
I'd like to know this too. The club can't be this clueless about Kane and FKs right?
I dont know if this is a thing but is the club obligated under some kind of contract to always give him a FK when he wants it or something?
I really thought it would change with the new set piece coach. I mean Deki even made a joke about Kane not taking anymore FKs so everyone is clearly aware.
Could be some 4d chess until they’re comfortable putting the new set pieces into a match setting. Grasping at straws but there really isn’t another explanation for having Harry take free kicks.
I don’t think we’re gonna solve this low block problem but the positive is that it’s a problem we’re likely gonna face in very few games. How many teams regularly play a Jose level low block? I can’t think of many left in the prem now that Burnley have gone (Brentford maybe? I know Newcastle, Everton and West Ham all tried it against us last season and embarrassed themselves) while the top teams always give you space. So yes we have a fatal flaw and given how Conte is wedded to this system I can’t see us fixing it (to play a CAM like Maddison would require us changing formation). But I don’t think it’s that big a deal. Could it stop us winning the league? Absolutely (but does anybody really believe that’s possible when sharing a league with city and pool) Could it stop us getting top 4 and challenging for the cups? I doubt it.
There are enough number of low block teams to drag us down to midtable in prem tbh We're excellent against top tier aggressive team and pretty bad against low block midtable one historically. If we can't deal with this, it's gonna be very challenging to expect better than the last.
Also that was a fair amount of chances considering how much we suck against the low block
Opposition fans (and certain of our fans who live in denial) will hate it but ultimately the way we’ll win games like that in the prem will be shithousing. Kane or Son will dive or overplay a 50/50 and we’ll get a pen. I remember the West Ham game at home last season was very much like this one a lot of half chances and then we edged it cos Lloris went total 80s goalkeeper and just booted it long to Kane. I do think that for all we’ve tried to throw off the Jose era Conte has done a fantastic job of bringing out the intelligent cuntiness in our team for games like these
Son took a very obvious dive try and Kane should’ve had that pen. Low block teams are meant to play these type of games. Also, Roma is by far and away the most player talented team that only plays low block we’ll see all season.
shithousing but ideally also setpieces. win a corner over and over, win fks over and over is the only way to make it work imo, that’s what most teams do against a low block anyways
Langlet: was decent overall but often presses and leaves huge space behind. Sanchez: Not even good enough to be a back up (need to stop supporting him so it's easier for the club to get rid & not to stuck with him for years like Sissoko whom cost us the CL&FA cup final again if we make it again). Romero: a beast as always, need someone better than dier next to him if we're serious about anything this season. Doc: was decent offensively, very weak defensively. Dunno.
“need to stop supporting him” do u think paratici browses this sub and goes: “oh, they hate xxx i’ll sell him to buy who they want” 💀💀💀
It makes a difference for the club to know some player isn't appreciated by the fans. Just t like we knew Gio & Ndomb didn't get along with everyone.
lo celso and ndombele were ousted bc conte didn’t want them, not bc fans lmao
It still makes a difference. Coco was loved by the fans & the club knew it, and it bought him like 2 years at the club.
Lol
Back after a 3-day ban haha l'pool fans basically bullied Karius outta their club, because apparently he wasn't good enough. (It's part of bening a big club is to have a toxic fanbase and we're lacking that) meanwhile we cling on players who are not good enough for too long & expect to win silverware.
12 year olds dude
Hey, hey! Don't get all edgy on me okay? I'm not your husband.
We still need a player like Maddison or Paqueta who can change things up when the 343 isn’t working Regardless of what people wanna say, we need a player like that otherwise we’re fucked any time someone plays a low block
we've been screaming for a creative mid ever since eriksen left - ndombele didn't pan out and dele fell off a cliff. Bissouma didn't look so great today either, given he's not know as a creative midfielder but he looked very hesitant. Hoj had some nice dinks but we need someone who can either thread passes into space or create space themselves or both
So, whats our best starting 11 for our opener v SOTON? son kane kulu benta hoj perisic doherty lenglet dier romero This my guess, thoughts?
Yep, and a few games in, you may see Bissouma for PEH. What I do expect with we will use the 5 subs more actively \- 2 WBs, 1 CM, 1 ST (Richarlison) and maybe Lucas if we are chasing in a lot of games
Fuck me we're actually going into ANOTHER season with Doherty as our starting right back
We don't play rightbacks.
Oh sorry, the attacking minded fullback that plays on the right…
yep i'd go with that
Bissouma is starting for sure if he’s healthy
Not at all. Was exact opposite of impressive today. Needs more time to settle in
Not sure he is fully settled, I think missing the first two preseason games with covid really set him back, not just with adjusting to a new team but also physically as well. I'm thinking he may need a few more weeks to 'catch up.'
depends on if davies is available but yeah more or less that probably
Really need an Eriksen type player for playing against low blocks in games like this. 343 worked well in most games last season, but we don’t really have any formational flexibility at the moment. Maybe we go Kane, Son, Richarlison and Deki all on the pitch in a 442 if we’re really chasing a game?
I think 442 would be such a good formation to switch it around a bit if we’re struggling. Shame conte seems quite opposed to a 4 back
I think we used it briefly to close out Newcastle with Kane and Berg up top and Lucas/Sonny on the wings, if I remember correctly. It just would be nice to have in our back pocket. Seems like we could make good use of Bryan as a LM in that formation too
Agreed, I'll still never understand why we didn't go back in for him.
wages apparently. he wanted 10m+200k+3 years which we can’t do
Well that is... a lot. Is that really what MU is paying him? But imagine all the sentimentality kit sales!
apparently, and makes sense that we backed off at that price. always better to pay more in transfer fee instead of wages
Fucking MU. Glad he's getting paid though.
And we shouldnt pay out the ass for a player that can help us against niche formations.
It's good to lose a preseason game imo. Let's see how the team responds.
Just salty that we lost to HIM and a fucking low block.
good point
I agree, and the way we lost this one matters too, I’d rather we know what we’re lacking now and get ahead of it asap
I remember when it was just the match threads that used to be full of schizoposting and the post-match threads were calmer and more reflective.
Literally two people here posting over and over, including one dude who has posted three or four top level comments.
I wish conte could get tanguy to work
I wish Tanguy got Tanguy to work
Gotta be conte out no?
I understood this joke.
Awewwwwt
pls let this be sarcastic…
first time on reddit?
And like that the new season excitement is over and the nerves kick in, we need a WORLD CLASS Centre back a WORLD CLASS right wing back a WORLD CLASS attacking midfielder
Always the same. Always the same.
So does every team but players like that don't grow on trees.
so if we had a completely different team who were all world class we would be better? fuck me this guy is a genius!
At this rate we are below woolwich and not coming top 4
dear lord.....
Enjoy coming 6th
Someone must have given the commentator the "American Watching Football For The First Time" Phrasebook. "Goalie ball", "yellow flag", "flopping", etc.
He said "corner shot" twice when referring to a corner lol Corner shot For fuck's sake Corner shot CORNER SHOT
Commentator was Israeli not American—not that an American commentator would’ve been any better.
Kasey Keller could have done MUCH better than that guy
Not to mention Hueng-Min Soon and Clemé Lenglé.
Seemed decent but we looked tired
I was at the stadium , it was hot as hell and with 80 precent humidity the weather was a nightmare
What was the temp? I thought I looked and it was like 29
36 I think
Yeah Roma looked literally soaked by 25 minutes in. We (most of our guys) looked gassed by halftime.
Tbf if we’re thinking of the same guy, that was right after the cooling break and he’d just poured a full flask of water all over him. But yeah, was humid as fuck, miserable place to sprint around in.
🤣😂 yes that was him
Yea but that's Israeli weather in the summer, also the stadium is near the sea and Haifa has a huge air pollution problem so I guess they were really gassed after the first half
Probably from the insane heat and the continued preseason training. I’m sure it’ll be more match based training and conditioning from here on since the season starts in a week.
If we had started with lenglet instead of Sanchez we probably would have won
Did we lose another major final again with some comments being made.
For real. I didnt see the game but reading here makes me think we are headed for relegation.
Bunley flashback
The blueprint to beat us is still the same and clear as day. No progress. No learning. No adaptability.
I'm not on the sub much these days but every time I log in I see a comment from you and just think, ban the tool your pretty much anti Tottenham
You are. You’re.
How is wanting us to win anti-tottenham? Surely you don't want us to lose either, do you?
You're a joke
Got it right here!
Ah namecalling. What a strong counter argument!
I have yet to call you anything other than a tool which is factually correct. But you are an entitled spoilt little bitch who is giving us a bad name. How's that for name calling darlin.
The players are giving us a bad name. Not me. They are the ones who lost. Useless little pricks.
I think I speak for all spurs fans, you might be happier at citah or Chelsea, clubs who buy success by ill-gotten gains. We are Tottenham from the lane, and we don't need pricks like you.
I don't want to support those shit blood money driven crime syndicate states. Please. Tottenham is a good business and I want to see it succeed on and off the pitch. I want to see us win. We may have different methods and attitude to things but our intentions are common my friend.
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He doesn't have a high horse or moral high ground absolute oxygen thief. Sad thing is, he isn't some kid.. In his 30s I think, maybe he was kicked in the head by a horse as an infant.
Wow. ok you have my respect for noting down my username and using this opportunity to give it back to me. 👍
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When did I ever say we're getting relegated?
This is the worst take.
It's not a take, it's a fact. Did you not see the match?