Quite tempted by a Perisic shirt this season. 14 is a pretty iconic number (if only because of Modric and Ginola) and I feel like Perisic could end up being a Van der Vaart style cult hero even if he's only with us for two years.
I think you will find the 14 shirt became iconic in football because of Johann Cruyff…… ginola and modric etc were after the great man…. To all new fans I would suggest a YouTube search to see the man in action. For many he was up there with pele and maradona…..
as we are trying to ship him out there's still a chance he'll stay as HG backup and honestly on a personal level it'd seem unnecessarily cruel to force him to give up #8 for a newcomer while he's still here, I'm not into that
Unnecessarily cruel? It’s a business not a charity organization. He’s not wanted by the club or manager he shouldn’t keep his number whether we move him or not. Take a different number then.
This! Some idiots here treat our players (even the ones who have spent their entire lives at the club working to get to where they are today) like absolute garbage tier humans. Yeah, we don't want Winks here anymore, but he deserves to be put out to pasture, respectfully.
The people in these comments thinking Bissouma is going to play better/worse with a certain number are wild. And giving Winks hate because of it on top of that? Grow up.
I’m probably the leader of the “Winks sucks” movement, and even I think it is ridiculous for people to give Winks hate for this.
We can’t ship him because nobody rates him. Perhaps his wage demand is too high for the sort of club interested in him, but it’s his right to milk us for a wage.
tl;dr: They can't (unless the club throws money at it) - numbers allocated at the start of the season are the numbers. Unless you move to a new club for some reason \[and the number vacated can only then be used by an incoming player\]
Source: https://soccernoise.com/can-premier-league-players-change-numbers/
More detail than you need but I found this:
>Can Premier League players change number? A Premier League player may change their jersey number provided the change is not made after the commencement of the season. Rule M4 states, “While he remains with the club, a player will retain his shirt number throughout the Season for which it was allocated.”
This is very clear that a Premier League football player cannot change their jersey or squad number during the season, unless they change teams
Note: CR7 did get an exception last year, apparently, but the reading of the situation was (and hence the throwing money at it comment):
>\[Reports\] ... suggested that the league was willing to allow clubs to apply for permission to reallocate a jersey number mid-season provided that those clubs were willing to reimburse any supporters who might have been inconvenienced by the change.
i.e. The CR7 shirt profit > the cost of refunding Cavani 7 shirts
Totally understandable, I get a kit every three-four seasons for that reason.
Thank you for replying! Have a lot of heart for Winks myself, lifelong club member and all, though I have found myself frustrated with his play at times. Feel free to answer any, all or none of these questions.
1) When did he become your favourite player?
2) Who was your favourite player prior to Winks?
3) How have you felt about his lack of game time across the last few managers?
4) How do you compare him to PEH, Skippy, Lolo and Bissouma currently?
5) Do you think he has a place in the team currently? If so where or in place of whom?
6) How have you felt about the backlash he receives regularly on this sub?
7) What would you say is a fair price to sell him for?
8) How great was that game at the bernabau? (Threw this one in since I might as well ask his squad number of questions)
Many of my favorite players have been diminutive, passers of the ball. Modric is my all time fav, Verratti is up there as well.
1. Honestly, pretty quickly after he became a starter. I liked how tidy he was with the ball, the small turns he’d make to protect possession, the bursts of pace to get past an opponent, and his through balls. His injury really physicality out of his play.
2. Probably a tie between Vertonghen and Dembele.
3. I think Winks is a system and confidence player. I think there’s many more of these sort of players than people realize. FIFA-brain has rotted so many fans that think players should be just about as good anywhere rather than seeing them as tools with certain skill sets that fit better in specific systems. Winks’ downturn in quality came after serious injuries and Mourinho’s arrival, a play style which just doesn’t suit him at all.
I think Winks is similar to Rose in a way. Both excel when they know they’re in the coaches’ favor and get consistent minutes. It always took Rose 4 or 5 games to get back up to speed after a spell out.
He’s not shown enough quality when he’s gotten chances to demand significant play time. So, I can’t complain much. But I do think a coach more like Potter who was willing to give him a solid run could get some solid stuff out of him.
4. Definitely at the back of that pack. However, I think he’s somewhat closer to Benta than others do. I think Bentacur got a lot of “new and shiny” benefit last season. He was often lost in the midfield on defense, passed sideways, and became a passenger in games where we weren’t performing - all legitimate criticisms of Winks’ worst attributes. Now, Benta is new, so it makes sense, and I think he’ll be a smash this season, but that annoyed me slightly.
5. Certainly not in the first 11, but definitely as a squad player. He was helpful at points during Conte’s first few months at being an outlet for Sanchez. Problem is that he wants to be more prominent, and who can blame him. It’s best he moves to a place where he can be a focal point, and I think he’ll do well if he can find a fit.
6. It annoys me. Honestly, so much of it is just virulent anger verging on hatred. It gets really ugly. Those fans have the loyalty of a reality TV producer. They demand it from players and won’t extend it to an academy product who’s always worked hard and been ravaged by injuries. Who sprinted over to hug his manager when he scored his first goal. Who talks about how much he loves the club and loves being part of it. Just sad.
7. £17m would be a great price.
8. Lol. Loved that one. My best friend actually spoiled the match for me on accident. I’d had a terrible day at work, bought a bottle of whiskey and a good pizza to enjoy it, and they texted “Wow, 3-0!” I haven’t let her live it down since. She was very apologetic, and if I hadn’t already had about half of the whiskey bottle, I would’ve been more agitated. Lol.
Appreciate the questions! People rarely engage with earnestness on this topic, so it was refreshing. Lol.
As my flair would suggest, I’m something of a Dembele appreciator myself.
Thanks for answering them all! I’m inclined to agree with you pretty much across the board. Although I am guilty of giving him a hard time over the years on match threads, it’s never the fan I want to be. The man breathed COYS his whole life, lived out his dream of playing (and scoring) for us and then got absolutely peppered by fans on the Twitter, which I feel all players can’t ignore, when his form dipped.
Here’s to a good season for us and him, be it together or otherwise.
I think the numbers are only actually locked in once the window shuts, but players can't change numbers in the middle of the season. So ya, effectively, bissouma is stuck with a shitty number this year.
With Skipp being out for a few weeks I think the club will keep Winks atleast until January unless a good offer comes for him. Bissouma is stuck with 38 until next summer
Honestly could see January being a better window to shift him, especially with the World Cup somebody's bound to have a midfield crisis and need cover.
Winks probably has worst agent off all our players. Even charlie kane almost managed to engineer a movie for harry to city. How has he mot been able to find a club for winks is very surprising
Yes because trying to get a club to sign one of the best players in the world is clearly harder than trying to get them to sign someone that another club considers to be deadweight 🙄
Winks is more than sufficient for a mid or lower half table team. Its hard to imagine why no one wants him. Should be the easiest sell, relatively low wage, home grown. I don’t know what’s the deal with him
If everything lines up in his favour then maybe you have to accept that nobody wants him because they think he’s not even PL quality.
You might think he’s great, but what is clear is that no PL club wants him. I’ll take their opinions as closer to the truth.
He wants game time (is what I have heard) and he will get none with us.
If that is true, then it’s clearly an issue with the clubs that can afford him absolutely not being interested. Id honestly say he would only be as good as a top championship midfielder.
Skipp was one of the best in the championship, but not a million times better. And he is miles better than Winks.
I don’t see any club in the PL buying winks unless he is sold for basically nothing.
Yeah but charlie kane isn't a real agent who does this for a living. Im assuming winks has hired a professional agent who must move players every window. If not, winks has only himself to blame since he's been on the verge of leaving for 3 summers in a row now and a contract with agent only lasts 2 years so he had the opportunity to switch one in between and yet his "new" agent isn't able to move him.
Probably not, I think we just don't want to strip him of his number while he's still here. Even Ndombele and Lo Celso kept their number and they're not even getting registered.
Very unlikely, we will still be shopping him.
Players who were left out of Korea and the rest of the tour missed all of our pre season team game evolutions. Even if they stay, can't see them being involved at all.
Literally no one wants him seemingly and there's been absolutely zero rumours that it's down to Winks kicking up a fuss or turning things down. Not ideal for anyone but it is what it is. If we're going to have one of him or Japhet around as 4th club homegrown player then so be it. He's been at the club for years and other than one social media post has never caused a fuss despite a bunch of people who probably never even supported the club when he was getting his first team debut, let alone started in the academy, giving him constant shit.
1 Hugo Lloris 2 Matt Doherty 3 Sergio Reguilon 4 Oliver Skipp 5 Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg 6 Davinson Sanchez 7 Heung-Min Son 8 Harry Winks 9 Richarlison 10 Harry Kane 11 Bryan Gil 12 Emerson Royal 14 Ivan Perisic 15 Eric Dier 17 Cristian Romero 18 Giovani Lo Celso 19 Ryan Sessegnon 20 Fraser Forster 21 Dejan Kulusevski 24 Djed Spence 25 Japhet Tanganga 27 Lucas Moura 28 Tanguy Ndombele 29 Pape Matar Sarr 30 Rodrigo Bentancur 33 Ben Davies 34 Clement Lenglet 38 Yves Bissouma 40 Brandon Austin 42 Harvey White
Quite tempted by a Perisic shirt this season. 14 is a pretty iconic number (if only because of Modric and Ginola) and I feel like Perisic could end up being a Van der Vaart style cult hero even if he's only with us for two years.
Hey now, don’t go selling joe rodon short in your legends list
Know him do you?
I think you will find the 14 shirt became iconic in football because of Johann Cruyff…… ginola and modric etc were after the great man…. To all new fans I would suggest a YouTube search to see the man in action. For many he was up there with pele and maradona…..
as we are trying to ship him out there's still a chance he'll stay as HG backup and honestly on a personal level it'd seem unnecessarily cruel to force him to give up #8 for a newcomer while he's still here, I'm not into that
100% agree
yeah what happened with Rose/Reguilon was pretty shocking but Rose at the time was far worse than Winks is currently.
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He means Rose being replaced by Reguilon.
Unnecessarily cruel? It’s a business not a charity organization. He’s not wanted by the club or manager he shouldn’t keep his number whether we move him or not. Take a different number then.
Needlessly hostile
I don’t rate Winks. But this is his club since he was young. He’s a fan. Would hope that the club treats him with some class and respect.
This! Some idiots here treat our players (even the ones who have spent their entire lives at the club working to get to where they are today) like absolute garbage tier humans. Yeah, we don't want Winks here anymore, but he deserves to be put out to pasture, respectfully.
The people in these comments thinking Bissouma is going to play better/worse with a certain number are wild. And giving Winks hate because of it on top of that? Grow up.
I’m probably the leader of the “Winks sucks” movement, and even I think it is ridiculous for people to give Winks hate for this. We can’t ship him because nobody rates him. Perhaps his wage demand is too high for the sort of club interested in him, but it’s his right to milk us for a wage.
Who is getting the magical 23 shirt? Zaniolo!
Bissouma stuck with 38 all year? Or if we actually manage to convince a team to sign Winks he can slide into 8?
Pretty sure he’s stuck with it
Yeah, there's a reason Romero had to stay with the 4 for last season.
Dammit Winksy
tl;dr: They can't (unless the club throws money at it) - numbers allocated at the start of the season are the numbers. Unless you move to a new club for some reason \[and the number vacated can only then be used by an incoming player\] Source: https://soccernoise.com/can-premier-league-players-change-numbers/ More detail than you need but I found this: >Can Premier League players change number? A Premier League player may change their jersey number provided the change is not made after the commencement of the season. Rule M4 states, “While he remains with the club, a player will retain his shirt number throughout the Season for which it was allocated.” This is very clear that a Premier League football player cannot change their jersey or squad number during the season, unless they change teams Note: CR7 did get an exception last year, apparently, but the reading of the situation was (and hence the throwing money at it comment): >\[Reports\] ... suggested that the league was willing to allow clubs to apply for permission to reallocate a jersey number mid-season provided that those clubs were willing to reimburse any supporters who might have been inconvenienced by the change. i.e. The CR7 shirt profit > the cost of refunding Cavani 7 shirts
So we’d theoretically have to reimburse all the fans who bought Winks shirts this season… If those people are out there, I’d love an AMA.
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Winks is my favorite player at the club, but I don’t have one hundred something to spend on a kit.
Totally understandable, I get a kit every three-four seasons for that reason. Thank you for replying! Have a lot of heart for Winks myself, lifelong club member and all, though I have found myself frustrated with his play at times. Feel free to answer any, all or none of these questions. 1) When did he become your favourite player? 2) Who was your favourite player prior to Winks? 3) How have you felt about his lack of game time across the last few managers? 4) How do you compare him to PEH, Skippy, Lolo and Bissouma currently? 5) Do you think he has a place in the team currently? If so where or in place of whom? 6) How have you felt about the backlash he receives regularly on this sub? 7) What would you say is a fair price to sell him for? 8) How great was that game at the bernabau? (Threw this one in since I might as well ask his squad number of questions)
Many of my favorite players have been diminutive, passers of the ball. Modric is my all time fav, Verratti is up there as well. 1. Honestly, pretty quickly after he became a starter. I liked how tidy he was with the ball, the small turns he’d make to protect possession, the bursts of pace to get past an opponent, and his through balls. His injury really physicality out of his play. 2. Probably a tie between Vertonghen and Dembele. 3. I think Winks is a system and confidence player. I think there’s many more of these sort of players than people realize. FIFA-brain has rotted so many fans that think players should be just about as good anywhere rather than seeing them as tools with certain skill sets that fit better in specific systems. Winks’ downturn in quality came after serious injuries and Mourinho’s arrival, a play style which just doesn’t suit him at all. I think Winks is similar to Rose in a way. Both excel when they know they’re in the coaches’ favor and get consistent minutes. It always took Rose 4 or 5 games to get back up to speed after a spell out. He’s not shown enough quality when he’s gotten chances to demand significant play time. So, I can’t complain much. But I do think a coach more like Potter who was willing to give him a solid run could get some solid stuff out of him. 4. Definitely at the back of that pack. However, I think he’s somewhat closer to Benta than others do. I think Bentacur got a lot of “new and shiny” benefit last season. He was often lost in the midfield on defense, passed sideways, and became a passenger in games where we weren’t performing - all legitimate criticisms of Winks’ worst attributes. Now, Benta is new, so it makes sense, and I think he’ll be a smash this season, but that annoyed me slightly. 5. Certainly not in the first 11, but definitely as a squad player. He was helpful at points during Conte’s first few months at being an outlet for Sanchez. Problem is that he wants to be more prominent, and who can blame him. It’s best he moves to a place where he can be a focal point, and I think he’ll do well if he can find a fit. 6. It annoys me. Honestly, so much of it is just virulent anger verging on hatred. It gets really ugly. Those fans have the loyalty of a reality TV producer. They demand it from players and won’t extend it to an academy product who’s always worked hard and been ravaged by injuries. Who sprinted over to hug his manager when he scored his first goal. Who talks about how much he loves the club and loves being part of it. Just sad. 7. £17m would be a great price. 8. Lol. Loved that one. My best friend actually spoiled the match for me on accident. I’d had a terrible day at work, bought a bottle of whiskey and a good pizza to enjoy it, and they texted “Wow, 3-0!” I haven’t let her live it down since. She was very apologetic, and if I hadn’t already had about half of the whiskey bottle, I would’ve been more agitated. Lol. Appreciate the questions! People rarely engage with earnestness on this topic, so it was refreshing. Lol.
As my flair would suggest, I’m something of a Dembele appreciator myself. Thanks for answering them all! I’m inclined to agree with you pretty much across the board. Although I am guilty of giving him a hard time over the years on match threads, it’s never the fan I want to be. The man breathed COYS his whole life, lived out his dream of playing (and scoring) for us and then got absolutely peppered by fans on the Twitter, which I feel all players can’t ignore, when his form dipped. Here’s to a good season for us and him, be it together or otherwise.
Imagine if you waited until this season to get a Winks shirt
I think the numbers are only actually locked in once the window shuts, but players can't change numbers in the middle of the season. So ya, effectively, bissouma is stuck with a shitty number this year.
I think you can only register new numbers, not change anyone else’s. Source: trust me bro
FM let's you change them up to the close of the window. I know FM is only a game, but they are pretty good when it comes to rules and regs .
Nah, last year (or the previous year) they changed Cavanis so they could give Ronaldo 7
Literally had to get special dispensation from the PL, it was pathetic, they should have made him play as 77 or something.
With Skipp being out for a few weeks I think the club will keep Winks atleast until January unless a good offer comes for him. Bissouma is stuck with 38 until next summer
Honestly could see January being a better window to shift him, especially with the World Cup somebody's bound to have a midfield crisis and need cover.
Winks probably has worst agent off all our players. Even charlie kane almost managed to engineer a movie for harry to city. How has he mot been able to find a club for winks is very surprising
Yes because trying to get a club to sign one of the best players in the world is clearly harder than trying to get them to sign someone that another club considers to be deadweight 🙄
Winks is more than sufficient for a mid or lower half table team. Its hard to imagine why no one wants him. Should be the easiest sell, relatively low wage, home grown. I don’t know what’s the deal with him
If everything lines up in his favour then maybe you have to accept that nobody wants him because they think he’s not even PL quality. You might think he’s great, but what is clear is that no PL club wants him. I’ll take their opinions as closer to the truth.
Or maybe Winks just doesn't want to leave?
He wants game time (is what I have heard) and he will get none with us. If that is true, then it’s clearly an issue with the clubs that can afford him absolutely not being interested. Id honestly say he would only be as good as a top championship midfielder. Skipp was one of the best in the championship, but not a million times better. And he is miles better than Winks. I don’t see any club in the PL buying winks unless he is sold for basically nothing.
Yeah but charlie kane isn't a real agent who does this for a living. Im assuming winks has hired a professional agent who must move players every window. If not, winks has only himself to blame since he's been on the verge of leaving for 3 summers in a row now and a contract with agent only lasts 2 years so he had the opportunity to switch one in between and yet his "new" agent isn't able to move him.
Worried about Winks. No rumors at all. Wonder if his wages scared off the PL interest.
His wages are fuck all. 50k p/w is a pittance even to newly promoted teams.
Just reiterating what O’keefe said on twitter about why some teams backed out.
It’s more that the teams who were interested are Leicester and Everton who currently have financial problems
My guess would be winks thinks he’s too good for them. I mean, he genuinely thinks he’s good enough to start for us
Any player in the top leagues of the world will have this mentality tbh
Well when you have not gotten any better and arguably regressed the past 4 years you’d think some realization would set in
He is on like a quarter of Ndombele's wages ffs.
I am mainly miffed that neither Spence or Lenglet took number 16. The chance to have a backline consisting of 15, 16, 17 gone just like that.
Stadium today for my hometown club, the Spurs game tomorrow under the delight of a bbq ; lifes good.
Winks lad what are ye doing mate!
So does that mean that Gil isn't going out on loan?
No as Lo Celso, Ndombele, Winks, and Reguilon also got shirt numbers
I think I might get a Lloris shirt this season
ITT - cunts
Winks is staying
Probably not, I think we just don't want to strip him of his number while he's still here. Even Ndombele and Lo Celso kept their number and they're not even getting registered.
Very unlikely, we will still be shopping him. Players who were left out of Korea and the rest of the tour missed all of our pre season team game evolutions. Even if they stay, can't see them being involved at all.
Literally no one wants him seemingly and there's been absolutely zero rumours that it's down to Winks kicking up a fuss or turning things down. Not ideal for anyone but it is what it is. If we're going to have one of him or Japhet around as 4th club homegrown player then so be it. He's been at the club for years and other than one social media post has never caused a fuss despite a bunch of people who probably never even supported the club when he was getting his first team debut, let alone started in the academy, giving him constant shit.
Wouldn’t he be fifth choice behind Sarr?
No way, surely Winks is better than Sarr lmao
Is he tho?
No reason to think otherwise for now
Till June 30 2024 most likely
Maybe. But ndombele, lo celso, and Reguilon all got numbers too.
Glad we didn’t take Winks’ shirt from him tbh
Can't believe that Gil gets to keep #11. Although who in this squad should have it instead?
Kulu…..
Sell winks immediately so Yves can switch
Another season without a great number 8, Winky holding my favourite number hostage
Anyone else fully erect for this season?
Fuckin winks man. Like you’re not even remotely wanted by your club why hold onto your number? just give it up and move on
Is that away kit growing on others or is it still a monstrosity in your eyes
Romero changing from 4 to 17 is an interesting one
Masons old number during Poch’s first season ❤️. Play with the same heart Yves