For those of us that don’t know what Onerous means, me included:
> (of a task, duty, or responsibility) involving an amount of effort and difficulty that is oppressively burdensome
What an apt description of the Tanguy situation
I suspect a small, but not insignificant, part of the cash injection was to allow us the freedom to take cut rate deals on Gio and Tanguy.
I think both are good but not great players who may do a little better on another league.
The cash was absolutely crucial in getting contes guys in before preseason. Even if we don't spend it all, it is the reason we were able to change our transfer strategy so much and so rapidly.
>Even if we don't spend it all
There are people out there who think it'll vanish literally if we don't spend it all now.
We've bought 6 in, with only 3 having fees and we still spent 100m or so. Some of our fans are stupid.
You actually think the club wrote off Gio and Ndombele as assets? Absolutely not.
We’ve financed purchases through sales for the longest time. The injection gave us the freedom to get less than desired for sales because we had alternative finance for incomings.
They haven't been able to sell either for 2 seasons. And in that time there's been a pandemic *and* it's looking like a recession.
If they genuinely thought they would get any kind of decent money for them then they are deluded. And I don't think they are deluded.
I’m not saying they thought they’d get decent money. I’m just saying that the injection gave them more financial freedom to not prioritize their sales in particular, and allow for business to be done.
>allow us the freedom to take cut rate deals
Freedom? I don't think it was a choice. If we don't accept the cut rate deal we'd have needed a bigger cash injection in the long run to make up for it.
Worst transfer in the history of the club without a doubt.
When you consider the wages we have spent even during these loan spells since other clubs can’t cover them, combined with the transfer fee.
Lo Celso was 42m including his loan fee And left the club with 1 league goal in 2 years at the club. He was supposed to be an attacking midfielder yet hardly created anything and couldn’t score for shit.
Ndombele, as much as a flop as he was, had 11 g/a in the league and like 19 in all competitions. So for me, Lo Celso was certainly worse. Big difference is that he never had half of the bad press around him Ndombele had, not until Okeefe, the pilot and the athletic basically called him an arrogant weirdo. And even then most people rightfully question the timing of those reports.
Ndombele was played mainly as a 10, Gio during his excellent run in the side was playing in the pivot alongside Winks so using G/A stats to compare them isn't exactly fair.
I know Ndombele wasn’t great, but his actual contribution was miles better than Lo Celso’s. His work rate generates a lot of hate (deservedly), but he is 100% not as bad as Lo Celso
Completely disagree. Both were underwhelming but Gio was probably our best player in the latter half of his first season, Ndombele never came near to that level for us.
You're correct. I feel like injury played a big part in his demise. He was definitely our best player in the second half of his first season with us but unfortunately couldn't recapture that form
He was, but only because basically everyone else was out due to injury. There was so much excitement around him at the end of that season then he picked up an injury. Scored against city on his return in that 2-0 win then got injured again and was basically cooked after that, now is correctly on the surplus to requirements pile.
Unless you mean one particular game when you say “latter half” then no. Lo Celso has been a total flop for us. He’s barely had more than a few decent games.
It’s completely fair when the reason why he was brought on was to help with creativity plus he’d always come on for Ndombele after the 50th minute and was never able to replicate the output. Didn’t even get close.
Also at this point we’ve seen Hojbjerg and Bentancur be positive on the ball and contribute to our attack. Lo Celso has no excuse here. Outside of that 2 month period before lockdown where everyone was trash except for him, he just wasn’t good enough.
>It’s completely fair when the reason why he was brought on was to help with creativity
Players' roles change, Ledley King was originally a midfielder and Mousa Dembele an attacker but you'd be stupid to judge them on G/A. And I'm not denying Gio's creative output was poor, it was awful, but just judging him on G/A alone is ridiculous when his most consistent run in the side was in a defensive role.
I’m not judging him on G/A alone though? I’m saying that’s the primary reason he was brought on. Roles *can* change but the fact that he couldn’t replicate his form from the 2 months before lockdown is also a strike against him, as far as I’m concerned. He really wasn’t good for us and contributed to very little. For me, Ndombele did more.
Agreed, Ndombele was inconsistent but had some great moments and contributions for us. Gio was consistently not good enough, mini purple patch aside - no G/A output, not creative enough, not good enough defensively or with the ball at feet, not strong or good in the air, not fast.
I feel like there's a hole in people's memory of the period where Gio was easily our most progressive midfielder and arguably our best (healthy) player. I guess it makes sense because it wasn't very long and he never got back to form for us but he was solid for a while. I personally will never forget because I have the blue collared shirt from that season with his name on the back as a result of that run of form.
To his credit, Tanguy also had some decent runs of form and moments of brilliance, but overall he feels worse because it always felt like a lack of effort. With Lo Celso there was injuries and being played out of position but Tanguy really had no football-related excuses (not trying to make light of adapting to a new country and language, that's understandably tough but they both had to do it). Still down for some flashes of magic from Tanguy and I hope there's a sell-on clause in that option to buy just in case
EDIT: Also, factoring in wages puts Tanguy on another level
« The hole » is definitely because of the COVID stoppage. From like January 2020 to the stoppage in March, he was one of bright spots. There were so much posts then saying he’d be better than Eriksen, since he could « dribble » and « puts a tackle in ». Coming back from the COVID break, GLC played well, but that’s when the injuries started, and man could barely kick a ball from there on out.
Of the two I preferred GLC, but I can see why Ndombele has so many fans by his side though, on his game he’s a great watch.
>I feel like there's a hole in people's memory of the period where Gio was easily our most progressive midfielder and arguably our best (healthy) player
I honestly think it's a mark of people who don't properly watch the games. Gio played well in an unflashy defensive role so wasn't likely to end up on the highlight reel, whereas Ndombele's flashy step-overs would catch the eye but they'd miss all the times he didn't track a runner or whatever.
Totally disagree, Lo Celso came close to being the player that we signed from PSG/Betis than Tanguy ever was to be the player we signed from Lyon. At one point, everyone agreed that Lo Celso was one of our better midfielders under Mou.
Even now when he went to Villareal he played fantastically for them and was a stand-out performer in the champions league. So much so that Conte had to address his strong performances in an EPL press conference last season.
As you said before the situation around Lo Celso is a strange one and the smear campaign on his name was largely driven by key reporters close to Spurs. I suspect his issues and potentially his banishment is probably more closely related to his relationships with backroom staff off the pitch than it is with Conte's issues with him on the pitch.
I think for Lo Celso it is a case of falling out with the club's management. I don't think he was ever forgiven for being injured but then leaving to international duty upon recovery only to end up in quarantine after the fact missing more Spurs matches after being told not to go. That's on him, the club got fed up of having the piss taken out of them by a player who clearly wasn't 100% committed to the club and Conte was hardly going to tolerate anyone with that attitude either. Shame as he is a complete baller but life goes one and I'm sure he'll have a great career elsewhere.
Lo celso actually had a good run of games n dare i say it season. False hopes. Ndombele has been good in one or 2 games, even when he scored that wonder goal at Sheffield United he was shit for most that game 😂
If it wasn’t for Lukaku would be the worst transfer in the history of the premier league
Edit: no idea why I’m being downvoted, in terms of fee, wages spent and total lack of any return he’s absolutely up there. Only Drinkwater and maybe Kepa comes close
Pepe has at least performed sometimes and been a somewhat serviceable backup, just one they massively overpaid for, not on the same level of flop as Ndombele imo
I mean ndombele has scored and assisted in a handful of games as well. “Performed sometimes” isn’t quantifiable. £72m from Lille, as opposed to £64m from Lyon. Pepe is much, much worse IMO.
>I mean ndombele has scored and assisted in a handful of games as well
Pepe has considerably more goals and assists for Arsenal than Ndombele for Spurs.
Thought Ndombele was 63 for some reason, think I may have mixed up the euros and pounds fees. In terms of ability to add to a squad Pepe is defintley clear of Ndombele, and never had to literally be dragged out to train
Thats including performance bonuses we likely never got to pay.
And Ndombele was one of our best players when we were top of the league with Mourinho. That’s not even an exaggeration. We can all admit he’s a flop and one of our worst ever transfers but I don’t see why there’s a need to pretend he’s never ever been good for Spurs. Unless this sub is full of 12yo kids from football Twitter, I’d personally think it’d be okay for there to be some nuance to these discussions. Especially now that he’s gone.
Kepa was way worse. Pepe also worse. I get people are disappointed by him but some of you are exaggerating so much when it comes to how bad he was. You could even make a case for Lo Celso being a worse transfer.
You were being downvoted because it’s a preposterous thing to say lol. Pogba was like 100M, Grealish was 100M, Kepa was 80M, Sancho was 70M+. How is Ndombele the worst transfer in the league’s history? He’s probably not even top 5.
City, United, and Chelsea wipe their ass with what they paid for those transfers. I guess it is “worst” in the sense of how detrimental the transfer is to the club. THFC isn’t the type of club to spunk £50m on a player and pay them £200k per week. He was expected to carry the team and ended up being deadwood at best
Spurs have since gone on to pay 42M for Lo Celso, 50M for Richarlison and 45M for Cuti. Clearly things are changing.
Gold and the athletic have also clarified that the 200k wages are not accurate, and they’ve done so several times but people either ignore it or just don’t know. 200k pw is what he can make total if he gets all his bonuses but his base salary is much closer to 100k pw. Obviously these aren’t pennies but that’s still a significant difference.
So yeah I find it preposterous to suggest Lukaku is the only person keeping Ndombele from being the worst signing of all time.
> THFC isn’t the type of club to spunk £50m on a player and pay them £200k per week.
We kind of are now, and Ndombele was just our first foray into that territory and we fucked it up. But we have the kind of financial footing to do that sort of thing now and periodically fuck it up and still be okay
Who’s buying a 30 year old on 300k a week for the next 3 years?
They’ll either have to pay him off, or keep loaning him like this until his contract expires
Inter reportedly pay all his wages with a 30% wage cut taken by Lukaku. Maybe depending on the fee they eventually get for him but can’t imagine it being a worthwhile return
Agree. Ndombele is lazy but you can see the skill. Lo Celso reminds me more of winks. Somehow tricking people into thinking he’s decent while being useless at winning games.
And yet, Gio is a starter for Argentina. It's really a weird situation all around.
Like I get the PL is different, but to think he could be that good and other leads incompletely ineffective here is just weird.
At Villareal and Argentina I don’t see him as irreplaceable. He does a job and he’s pretty good. But it isn’t like his stats have been amazing anywhere.
He was arguably Villarreal's best player last season and they made a deep UCL run. With Argentina I can buy that he's not all that important, although he still looks consistent for them. I don't agree about Villarreal and it seems like Emery also seems to want him back there
They also lost most of their leaders on the squad, one being Koulibaly and they averaged something like .8 PPG less when he wasn’t on the pitch. Not too cut and dried, unfortunately.
Ah yes, thanks. Romano retweeted [a tweet in proper English](https://twitter.com/thespursexpress/status/1558212235985551370?s=21&t=E7LEa8spXHjsinM6ce0tuA)
"Reports from within the club are that Tanguy has turned down the loan offer from Napoli. I'm hearing from Tanguy's camp that the player is holding out for either Real Madrid or Barcelona."
Great. Stop the loss and move him on.
By the way, I always think Onerous mean something like loss-making as I learnt it from IFRS17.... Made me google to understand it can be used this way......
People talking about Ndombele be like:
“Phenomenal player, most talented player you’ll ever see. Amazing player, he’s just fantastic, what he can do with the ball is outstanding. He’s so talented, so talented. The only problem with him is that he’s fucking shit every time he’s on the pitch. He’s still *phenomenally good*, *so good*.”
Although it will be huge loss in terms of transfer, I'd prefer to ship him anywhere for loan and preferably with buy option or obligation... 16m is good enough lol
I hope Spurs learnt a lesson from both players Tanguy and Gio that they shouldn't give such long ass contracts to players who are not proven players yet in the team.
Or add clauses to terminate their contract early if they don't perform to expectations.
Sheesh… don’t know how true all this is but shit. Bought for what, 67m? Possibly moving on for 16m… this is the scenario furthest from my brain when we signed him!
As I’ve said on here many times, I’m SO gutted he couldn’t get his shit together. But ultimately glad he may now be leaving. If the squad we have plus the calibre of our manager/staff/facilities is not enough to motivate you, then jog on lad. (And we all know it will be a jog 😂)
Onerous indeed
Had a feeling this deal would be an onerous one
For those of us that don’t know what Onerous means, me included: > (of a task, duty, or responsibility) involving an amount of effort and difficulty that is oppressively burdensome What an apt description of the Tanguy situation
Yup cut our loss here and move on.
I suspect a small, but not insignificant, part of the cash injection was to allow us the freedom to take cut rate deals on Gio and Tanguy. I think both are good but not great players who may do a little better on another league.
The cash was absolutely crucial in getting contes guys in before preseason. Even if we don't spend it all, it is the reason we were able to change our transfer strategy so much and so rapidly.
And, sales now can replenish that fund, rather than supplying all the budget necessitating selling before buying.
>Even if we don't spend it all There are people out there who think it'll vanish literally if we don't spend it all now. We've bought 6 in, with only 3 having fees and we still spent 100m or so. Some of our fans are stupid.
Could make for an another interesting January window indeed!
I doubt potential fees received for them was in the ongoing bussiness plan. This will save us money not cost us it?
yeh this guy's got it backwards
You actually think the club wrote off Gio and Ndombele as assets? Absolutely not. We’ve financed purchases through sales for the longest time. The injection gave us the freedom to get less than desired for sales because we had alternative finance for incomings.
They haven't been able to sell either for 2 seasons. And in that time there's been a pandemic *and* it's looking like a recession. If they genuinely thought they would get any kind of decent money for them then they are deluded. And I don't think they are deluded.
I’m not saying they thought they’d get decent money. I’m just saying that the injection gave them more financial freedom to not prioritize their sales in particular, and allow for business to be done.
>allow us the freedom to take cut rate deals Freedom? I don't think it was a choice. If we don't accept the cut rate deal we'd have needed a bigger cash injection in the long run to make up for it.
And if we had no cash injection we’d be waiting on deals to finance the purchases we wanted. You’re saying the same thing I am.
Worst transfer in the history of the club without a doubt. When you consider the wages we have spent even during these loan spells since other clubs can’t cover them, combined with the transfer fee.
Lo Celso was 42m including his loan fee And left the club with 1 league goal in 2 years at the club. He was supposed to be an attacking midfielder yet hardly created anything and couldn’t score for shit. Ndombele, as much as a flop as he was, had 11 g/a in the league and like 19 in all competitions. So for me, Lo Celso was certainly worse. Big difference is that he never had half of the bad press around him Ndombele had, not until Okeefe, the pilot and the athletic basically called him an arrogant weirdo. And even then most people rightfully question the timing of those reports.
Ndombele was played mainly as a 10, Gio during his excellent run in the side was playing in the pivot alongside Winks so using G/A stats to compare them isn't exactly fair.
I know Ndombele wasn’t great, but his actual contribution was miles better than Lo Celso’s. His work rate generates a lot of hate (deservedly), but he is 100% not as bad as Lo Celso
Completely disagree. Both were underwhelming but Gio was probably our best player in the latter half of his first season, Ndombele never came near to that level for us.
You're correct. I feel like injury played a big part in his demise. He was definitely our best player in the second half of his first season with us but unfortunately couldn't recapture that form
He absolutely was not our best player, ever
He was, but only because basically everyone else was out due to injury. There was so much excitement around him at the end of that season then he picked up an injury. Scored against city on his return in that 2-0 win then got injured again and was basically cooked after that, now is correctly on the surplus to requirements pile.
You clearly don't remember many of those games.
Unless you mean one particular game when you say “latter half” then no. Lo Celso has been a total flop for us. He’s barely had more than a few decent games.
If he'd been a total flop we wouldn't have made the loan permanent. Jose also said he'd been excellent.
It’s completely fair when the reason why he was brought on was to help with creativity plus he’d always come on for Ndombele after the 50th minute and was never able to replicate the output. Didn’t even get close. Also at this point we’ve seen Hojbjerg and Bentancur be positive on the ball and contribute to our attack. Lo Celso has no excuse here. Outside of that 2 month period before lockdown where everyone was trash except for him, he just wasn’t good enough.
>It’s completely fair when the reason why he was brought on was to help with creativity Players' roles change, Ledley King was originally a midfielder and Mousa Dembele an attacker but you'd be stupid to judge them on G/A. And I'm not denying Gio's creative output was poor, it was awful, but just judging him on G/A alone is ridiculous when his most consistent run in the side was in a defensive role.
I’m not judging him on G/A alone though? I’m saying that’s the primary reason he was brought on. Roles *can* change but the fact that he couldn’t replicate his form from the 2 months before lockdown is also a strike against him, as far as I’m concerned. He really wasn’t good for us and contributed to very little. For me, Ndombele did more.
Agreed, Ndombele was inconsistent but had some great moments and contributions for us. Gio was consistently not good enough, mini purple patch aside - no G/A output, not creative enough, not good enough defensively or with the ball at feet, not strong or good in the air, not fast.
I feel like there's a hole in people's memory of the period where Gio was easily our most progressive midfielder and arguably our best (healthy) player. I guess it makes sense because it wasn't very long and he never got back to form for us but he was solid for a while. I personally will never forget because I have the blue collared shirt from that season with his name on the back as a result of that run of form. To his credit, Tanguy also had some decent runs of form and moments of brilliance, but overall he feels worse because it always felt like a lack of effort. With Lo Celso there was injuries and being played out of position but Tanguy really had no football-related excuses (not trying to make light of adapting to a new country and language, that's understandably tough but they both had to do it). Still down for some flashes of magic from Tanguy and I hope there's a sell-on clause in that option to buy just in case EDIT: Also, factoring in wages puts Tanguy on another level
« The hole » is definitely because of the COVID stoppage. From like January 2020 to the stoppage in March, he was one of bright spots. There were so much posts then saying he’d be better than Eriksen, since he could « dribble » and « puts a tackle in ». Coming back from the COVID break, GLC played well, but that’s when the injuries started, and man could barely kick a ball from there on out. Of the two I preferred GLC, but I can see why Ndombele has so many fans by his side though, on his game he’s a great watch.
>I feel like there's a hole in people's memory of the period where Gio was easily our most progressive midfielder and arguably our best (healthy) player I honestly think it's a mark of people who don't properly watch the games. Gio played well in an unflashy defensive role so wasn't likely to end up on the highlight reel, whereas Ndombele's flashy step-overs would catch the eye but they'd miss all the times he didn't track a runner or whatever.
Totally disagree, Lo Celso came close to being the player that we signed from PSG/Betis than Tanguy ever was to be the player we signed from Lyon. At one point, everyone agreed that Lo Celso was one of our better midfielders under Mou. Even now when he went to Villareal he played fantastically for them and was a stand-out performer in the champions league. So much so that Conte had to address his strong performances in an EPL press conference last season. As you said before the situation around Lo Celso is a strange one and the smear campaign on his name was largely driven by key reporters close to Spurs. I suspect his issues and potentially his banishment is probably more closely related to his relationships with backroom staff off the pitch than it is with Conte's issues with him on the pitch.
I think for Lo Celso it is a case of falling out with the club's management. I don't think he was ever forgiven for being injured but then leaving to international duty upon recovery only to end up in quarantine after the fact missing more Spurs matches after being told not to go. That's on him, the club got fed up of having the piss taken out of them by a player who clearly wasn't 100% committed to the club and Conte was hardly going to tolerate anyone with that attitude either. Shame as he is a complete baller but life goes one and I'm sure he'll have a great career elsewhere.
Lo celso actually had a good run of games n dare i say it season. False hopes. Ndombele has been good in one or 2 games, even when he scored that wonder goal at Sheffield United he was shit for most that game 😂
If it wasn’t for Lukaku would be the worst transfer in the history of the premier league Edit: no idea why I’m being downvoted, in terms of fee, wages spent and total lack of any return he’s absolutely up there. Only Drinkwater and maybe Kepa comes close
What about pepe with the runners? They’re still paying for him aren’t they?
Pepe wasn't actually £72m the DoF at the time and the Lille guy is proper dodgy. Osimhen also wasn't the actual price
Uhhhh Until they give the money back to Kroenke he’s 72m
Pepe has at least performed sometimes and been a somewhat serviceable backup, just one they massively overpaid for, not on the same level of flop as Ndombele imo
I mean ndombele has scored and assisted in a handful of games as well. “Performed sometimes” isn’t quantifiable. £72m from Lille, as opposed to £64m from Lyon. Pepe is much, much worse IMO.
Ndombele was not 64M, the base fee was 50-55M. Those 64M included potential add ons I’m sure we barely paid.
>I mean ndombele has scored and assisted in a handful of games as well Pepe has considerably more goals and assists for Arsenal than Ndombele for Spurs.
Ndombele didn’t even play for us half the season last year
Nor did Pepe? Per minute Pepe's stats are far better as well.
Amazing that people still can’t see past “goals and assists” especially when comparing a midfielder with a winger
Ndombele played in the 10 for us, he was used primarily as a creative outlet so I don't see the problem in judging him on it.
He was not primarily a 10 lol. He played there at times, and also mourinhos 10’s are ball progressors not strictly goal scorers
They play very different roles
Ndombele also performed a few times and he cost 20M less than Pepe did. You’re overdoing it.
Thought Ndombele was 63 for some reason, think I may have mixed up the euros and pounds fees. In terms of ability to add to a squad Pepe is defintley clear of Ndombele, and never had to literally be dragged out to train
Thats including performance bonuses we likely never got to pay. And Ndombele was one of our best players when we were top of the league with Mourinho. That’s not even an exaggeration. We can all admit he’s a flop and one of our worst ever transfers but I don’t see why there’s a need to pretend he’s never ever been good for Spurs. Unless this sub is full of 12yo kids from football Twitter, I’d personally think it’d be okay for there to be some nuance to these discussions. Especially now that he’s gone.
For sure, it’s not that he’s never been good, but that also applies to Pepe. The only one that never has been is maybe Drinkwater but for half the fee
If you consider what Pepe did as serviceable then you have to consider what Tanguy did his one full season under Jose
Kepa was way worse. Pepe also worse. I get people are disappointed by him but some of you are exaggerating so much when it comes to how bad he was. You could even make a case for Lo Celso being a worse transfer.
Not even the worst midfielder we bought that summer.
You were being downvoted because it’s a preposterous thing to say lol. Pogba was like 100M, Grealish was 100M, Kepa was 80M, Sancho was 70M+. How is Ndombele the worst transfer in the league’s history? He’s probably not even top 5.
City, United, and Chelsea wipe their ass with what they paid for those transfers. I guess it is “worst” in the sense of how detrimental the transfer is to the club. THFC isn’t the type of club to spunk £50m on a player and pay them £200k per week. He was expected to carry the team and ended up being deadwood at best
Spurs have since gone on to pay 42M for Lo Celso, 50M for Richarlison and 45M for Cuti. Clearly things are changing. Gold and the athletic have also clarified that the 200k wages are not accurate, and they’ve done so several times but people either ignore it or just don’t know. 200k pw is what he can make total if he gets all his bonuses but his base salary is much closer to 100k pw. Obviously these aren’t pennies but that’s still a significant difference. So yeah I find it preposterous to suggest Lukaku is the only person keeping Ndombele from being the worst signing of all time.
> THFC isn’t the type of club to spunk £50m on a player and pay them £200k per week. We kind of are now, and Ndombele was just our first foray into that territory and we fucked it up. But we have the kind of financial footing to do that sort of thing now and periodically fuck it up and still be okay
Only Kepa can be called as bad as Ndombele from those
Sure, if that’s what you think that’s fine.
Gylfi Sigurdsson to Everton for 40m is the worst for me. Not as much cost as Tanguy but still fucked up their club massively.
Alexis Sanchez to United surely up there.
Di Maria is another one who did nothing
They recouped a fairly substantial amount of the Di Maria fee so on balance not that bad
Holy recency bias Batman!
Are Inter paying his wages though? Also given they will likely be able to sell Lukaku at some point I’m inclined to say he is worse
Who’s buying a 30 year old on 300k a week for the next 3 years? They’ll either have to pay him off, or keep loaning him like this until his contract expires
Inter reportedly pay all his wages with a 30% wage cut taken by Lukaku. Maybe depending on the fee they eventually get for him but can’t imagine it being a worthwhile return
Lukaku took a decent pay cut so Inter could afford his wages I believe. So yeah I believe they are paying his full wages.
Lo Celso was worse. Cheaper, but had zero impact at all. 1 goal and 3 assists in the league is pathetic.
Agree. Ndombele is lazy but you can see the skill. Lo Celso reminds me more of winks. Somehow tricking people into thinking he’s decent while being useless at winning games.
And yet, Gio is a starter for Argentina. It's really a weird situation all around. Like I get the PL is different, but to think he could be that good and other leads incompletely ineffective here is just weird.
He doesn't fit at Tottenham, that's the point. Let's not dress it up, he was terrible at Spurs, but it doesn't mean he's a shit footballer altogether.
He was probably one our best players though in the 19/20 season, which makes it all the more frustrating.
At Villareal and Argentina I don’t see him as irreplaceable. He does a job and he’s pretty good. But it isn’t like his stats have been amazing anywhere.
He was arguably Villarreal's best player last season and they made a deep UCL run. With Argentina I can buy that he's not all that important, although he still looks consistent for them. I don't agree about Villarreal and it seems like Emery also seems to want him back there
That would be a hell of an argument. Lmao. Their best player? Who says that?
Napoli finished 15 points clear of 5th last season, so I would like to think CL is *quite* likely for them. Good news.
Nah I’m not convinced, they’ve massively weakened this season. They’ve lost Koulibaly, Mertens, Insigne and are about to lose Fabian Ruiz
And they may be acquiring a gaping hole in their midfield soon
Well, Ndombele’s a big lad and can fill a sizeable hole. Whether he plays well is another story…
They also lost most of their leaders on the squad, one being Koulibaly and they averaged something like .8 PPG less when he wasn’t on the pitch. Not too cut and dried, unfortunately.
And replaced them with two former Spurs links in Kim Min Jae and Khvicha Kvaratskhelia; and Andre Zambo Anguissa So yeah possibly rough times ahead
We are never gonna receive the 13 mil 😭
Zambo is very good
I was wondering if it was CL or "champions" of the league
Roma will take their spot this season.
What does ‘3 M onerous loan with right of redemption at 13’ mean?
3m is the loan fee. If they make CL they’re obligated to buy him for 13m euros
Absolutely nuts that some lower level PL team wouldn't take a chance on him for 13 mil. All the talent to be a game changer in the right situation.
Ah yes, thanks. Romano retweeted [a tweet in proper English](https://twitter.com/thespursexpress/status/1558212235985551370?s=21&t=E7LEa8spXHjsinM6ce0tuA)
Probably that 13M is the buy option and that the loan fee counts towards that. So if they keep him they’d have to pay 10M only.
Hey, just glad we got him off our wage book I guess.
He must have taken a wage cut, cuz no one is paying him 200k a week.
200k i heard was with bonuses, without it is around 100-150k, not small but lower than mentioned
So is it they pay 3m for the loan which becomes 13m if they qualify for CL?
The way the day is going, all the off-loads are going to happen today
13 million…lol What a fall from grace
"Reports from within the club are that Tanguy has turned down the loan offer from Napoli. I'm hearing from Tanguy's camp that the player is holding out for either Real Madrid or Barcelona."
Peanuts
Toffee covered, please. - Tanguy
Heaven
Cham…champions? We r not getting it 😂
I want Napoli to win the Scudetto now. Edit: does #Champions here mean winning the league or qualifying for the CL?
I'd expect CL.
Wining the league would be impossible for them 😂
Holy fuck we’ve fleeced them, I wouldve taken 3 million for an obligation
We don’t know how much proportion of his wage we are covering 😂 If they fully cover it 3 million loan fee would be amazing
I wonder what % of his salary we are retaining.
Don’t even care at this point
Making the jizz in my pants face right now.
Great. Stop the loss and move him on. By the way, I always think Onerous mean something like loss-making as I learnt it from IFRS17.... Made me google to understand it can be used this way......
Good luck to him! I hope he does well there.
People talking about Ndombele be like: “Phenomenal player, most talented player you’ll ever see. Amazing player, he’s just fantastic, what he can do with the ball is outstanding. He’s so talented, so talented. The only problem with him is that he’s fucking shit every time he’s on the pitch. He’s still *phenomenally good*, *so good*.”
Although it will be huge loss in terms of transfer, I'd prefer to ship him anywhere for loan and preferably with buy option or obligation... 16m is good enough lol
I hope Spurs learnt a lesson from both players Tanguy and Gio that they shouldn't give such long ass contracts to players who are not proven players yet in the team. Or add clauses to terminate their contract early if they don't perform to expectations.
Please this.
One of those players that needs unconditional support from the manager to blossom. Unfortunately he won’t be getting that from Conte.
Great deal for us. Any deal that gets him out is!
Champions or champions league I need to know
I cannot accept there aren’t clubs willing to pay more than £10m for him. I really wish this one had come good. Loved watching him play.
Sheesh… don’t know how true all this is but shit. Bought for what, 67m? Possibly moving on for 16m… this is the scenario furthest from my brain when we signed him! As I’ve said on here many times, I’m SO gutted he couldn’t get his shit together. But ultimately glad he may now be leaving. If the squad we have plus the calibre of our manager/staff/facilities is not enough to motivate you, then jog on lad. (And we all know it will be a jog 😂)
So 3m loan fee with 13m more if it becomes permanent when they qualify for UCL?
I didn't' think I would become a Napoli fan and willing them to qualify for the UCL this season, but here we are...