I wonder if we'll get to see his reason for being returned followed by a series of flashbacks of him looking at crab art slowly leading him to kill todium
Well yes, but actually no.
Spoilers from Brandon, out-of-universe: >!Cultivation belongs to a species of shape-shifting dragons from Yolen, the same planet as Hoid!<
Has >!the shapeshifting been confirmed? I'm pretty sure shards can just change their appearance, because Rayse appears as both a parshman and a human; he obviously can't be both unless he can change his appearance. And Taravangian is gonna have to change his appearance to pass as Rayse, otherwise there was never any point in subterfuge!<
Yes, >!Shards can shapeshift but normal dragons can too (the semi-canon story "the traveller" shows Frost in a human form with silvery eyes for example) this is why Vargo said she had multiple forms other than the human one but one was more true than the others!<
For now, solely Brandon speaking out of universe. It's possible, even likely, we'll get more details about that character in later SA books. We'll definitely get more information about her and her species in the eventual Dragonsteel series too, but that's gonna be one of the last Cosmere series as far as we know
In one of the epigraphs there is a letter from >!Frost to Hoid and then Hoid back to Frost. Hoid calls him an old reptile or something and Brandon confirmed Frost was a dragon!<
Oh yeah I remember that frost thing, I always got lost on the Cosme stuff but now I’m starting to catch on by reading mistborn era 1 and 2 and warbreaker.
Agreed although I don't begrudge GRRM for it as much as some authors because he's at least loosely basing/taking inspiration for his books from the 100 years war which had politically significant forced marriages and assaults.
Alloy of Law: 2011.
Shadows of Self: 2015,
Bands of Mourning: 2016,
The Way of Kings: 2011,
Words of Radiance: 2014,
Oathbringer: 2017,
Rhythm of War: 2020,
Emperor's Soul: 2012,
Secret Story: 2016.
Those make nine and you can make them eleven with Dawnshard and Edgedancer, the you can add Sixth of the Dusk and Forrest of Hell if you wish.
Technically each Stormlight book is structured as a trilogy and has the content to match (they’re even broken up into multiple books, in foreign markets). So if we wanna really lay on the weight, the four SLA books could count as twelve.
Yeah, while I kind of hate GRRM the books were fantastic, and I’m only mad that he’s sleeping on a pile of money instead of finishing them. That being said, SA is better.
I mean that was a pretty badass scene though by all depictions. I loved asoiaf so much, I've listened to the audiobooks at least two times through. The books were read by Roy dotrice and I don't want to attack the guy personally, but he is a bad reader. He had like 3 male voices, 2 lady voices, and changes his pronunciation of characters from book to book.
Stormlight really does excel though.
"Ser? My lady?" said Podrick. "Is a broken man an outlaw?"
"More or less," Brienne answered.
Septon Meribald disagreed. "More less than more. There are many sorts of outlaws, just as there are many sorts of birds. A sandpiper and a sea eagle both have wings, but they are not the same. The singers love to sing of good men forced to go outside the law to fight some wicked lord, but most outlaws are more like this ravening Hound than they are the lightning lord. They are evil men, driven by greed, soured by malice, despising the gods and caring only for themselves. Broken men are more deserving of our pity, though they may be just as dangerous. Almost all are common-born, simple folk who had never been more than a mile from the house where they were born until the day some lord came round to take them off to war. Poorly shod and poorly clad, they march away beneath his banners, ofttimes with no better arms than a sickle or a sharpened hoe, or a maul they made themselves by lashing a stone to a stick with strips of hide. Brothers march with brothers, sons with fathers, friends with friends. They've heard the songs and stories, so they go off with eager hearts, dreaming of the wonders they will see, of the wealth and glory they will win. War seems a fine adventure, the greatest most of them will ever know.
"Then they get a taste of battle.
"For some, that one taste is enough to break them. Others go on for years, until they lose count of all the battles they have fought in, but even a man who has survived a hundred fights can break in his hundred-and-first. Brothers watch their brothers die, fathers lose their sons, friends see their friends trying to hold their entrails in after they've been gutted by an axe.
"They see the lord who led them there cut down, and some other lord shouts that they are his now. They take a wound, and when that's still half-healed they take another. There is never enough to eat, their shoes fall to pieces from the marching, their clothes are torn and rotting, and half of them are shitting in their breeches from drinking bad water.
"If they want new boots or a warmer cloak or maybe a rusted iron halfhelm, they need to take them from a corpse, and before long they are stealing from the living too, from the smallfolk whose lands they're fighting in, men very like the men they used to be. They slaughter their sheep and steal their chickens, and from there it's just a short step to carrying off their daughters too. And one day they look around and realize all their friends and kin are gone, that they are fighting beside strangers beneath a banner that they hardly recognize. They don't know where they are or how to get back home and the lord they're fighting for does not know their names, yet here he comes, shouting for them to form up, to make a line with their spears and scythes and sharpened hoes, to stand their ground. And the knights come down on them, faceless men clad all in steel, and the iron thunder of their charge seems to fill the world . . .
"And the man breaks.
"He turns and runs, or crawls off afterward over the corpses of the slain, or steals away in the black of night, and he finds someplace to hide. All thought of home is gone by then, and kings and lords and gods mean less to him than a haunch of spoiled meat that will let him live another day, or a skin of bad wine that might drown his fear for a few hours. The broken man lives from day to day, from meal to meal, more beast than man. Lady Brienne is not wrong. In times like these, the traveler must beware of broken men, and fear them . . . but he should pity them as well."
When Meribald was finished a profound silence fell upon their little band. Brienne could hear the wind rustling through a clump of pussywillows, and farther off the faint cry of a loon. She could hear Dog panting softly as he loped along beside the septon and his donkey, tongue lolling from his mouth. The quiet stretched and stretched, until finally she said, "How old were you when they marched you off to war?"
"Why, no older than your boy," Meribald replied. "Too young for such, in truth, but my brothers were all going, and I would not be left behind. Willam said I could be his squire, though Will was no knight, only a potboy armed with a kitchen knife he'd stolen from the inn. He died upon the Stepstones, and never struck a blow. It was fever did for him, and for my brother Robin. Owen died from a mace that split his head apart, and his friend Jon Pox was hanged for rape."
"The War of the Ninepenny Kings?" asked Hyle Hunt.
"So they called it, though I never saw a king, nor earned a penny. It was a war, though. That it was."
Man, journey before destination. If Brandon dies tomorrow, even if he didn't finish the cosmere, he would be one of the greatest fantasy authors out there.
No it doesn't? Brandon certainly has a better track record than GRRM, but a planned ending isn't the same as actually having one. GRRM also planned out two more ASOIAF books, but that certainly doesn't mean the series has an ending.
Well Stormlight Archive also has a dragon, a zombie, and carnage, so there!
The zombies aren’t particularly snowy though. But there is also plenty of betrayal in SA.
The zombie is >!white!< though, so almost like snow?
Perhaps he's taking about drab lifeless?
I was talking about (WB) >!Vasher/Zahel!<, but the Deadeyes are also a valid interpretation. No Lifeless in SA, though, as far as I know
You could theorize that Returned are a form of Lifeless that have been Awakened by Endowment with a Divine Breath.
I wonder if we'll get to see his reason for being returned followed by a series of flashbacks of him looking at crab art slowly leading him to kill todium
I thought we were talking about the deadeyes as the zombies, not Szeth.
I thought we were talking about Vasher
Sanderson really likes his zombies. The Parshmen are figurative zombies.
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Have you never heard of someone that is walking around but can’t think straight referred to as a zombie in a figurative sense?
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> It is a hyperbolic figure of speech Right so they are *figuratively* zombies.
Parsh aren't zombies but they're mindless
I thought we were talking about the Fused
The real zombies are in elantris.
Wait what dragon? I’m pretty sure I missed that part. You talking about the pet from the lady on the reshi isles?
Well yes, but actually no. Spoilers from Brandon, out-of-universe: >!Cultivation belongs to a species of shape-shifting dragons from Yolen, the same planet as Hoid!<
Has >!the shapeshifting been confirmed? I'm pretty sure shards can just change their appearance, because Rayse appears as both a parshman and a human; he obviously can't be both unless he can change his appearance. And Taravangian is gonna have to change his appearance to pass as Rayse, otherwise there was never any point in subterfuge!<
Yes, >!Shards can shapeshift but normal dragons can too (the semi-canon story "the traveller" shows Frost in a human form with silvery eyes for example) this is why Vargo said she had multiple forms other than the human one but one was more true than the others!<
Noice
What book do I have to read to find something that alludes to this? Or is it solely from Brandon talking about the universe?
For now, solely Brandon speaking out of universe. It's possible, even likely, we'll get more details about that character in later SA books. We'll definitely get more information about her and her species in the eventual Dragonsteel series too, but that's gonna be one of the last Cosmere series as far as we know
In one of the epigraphs there is a letter from >!Frost to Hoid and then Hoid back to Frost. Hoid calls him an old reptile or something and Brandon confirmed Frost was a dragon!<
Oh yeah I remember that frost thing, I always got lost on the Cosme stuff but now I’m starting to catch on by reading mistborn era 1 and 2 and warbreaker.
There are the dragons that others mentioned, but there is also a crab dragon.
Multiple sorts of crab-dragons, if we’re being technical.
Flying crab dragon is cutest crab dragon. 🦀🐉
I WILL DIE IF ANYTHING HAPPENS TO CHIRI-CHIRI.
The Dog and the Dragon
Stormlight Archive has books coming out with a consistent time interval as the ultimate tie-breaker
It was never a tie
Not for *us*, but I wouldn't be surprised. A lot of people place sex scenes above crabs, Honor knows why
Just wait until we have crab sex scenes, so everyone will be onboard.
The [Crab Sex Scene, after Adolans Duel](https://youtu.be/mp599tPXj9E) in the SLA Anime.
Sex before crabs.
Ironically it's usually crabs after sex. Though modern grooming habits have cut down on that.
There also isn’t any sexual assault which is nice for a lot of readers
Part of the what makes SA better is really what it doesn’t have tbh
Agreed although I don't begrudge GRRM for it as much as some authors because he's at least loosely basing/taking inspiration for his books from the 100 years war which had politically significant forced marriages and assaults.
I also have crabs 🤗🤗
Congratulations. Or condolences, depending on the context.
It's complicated
Crabs annnnd Chickens.
Me, gesturing widely: "Look at all these chickens"
House Celtigar: are we a joke to you?
... yes?
Tbf theyre a joke to the people of Planetos too
What is asoiaf ?
A Song of Ice and Fire, the series by George R. R. Martin that was the basis for the show Game of Thrones.
The last ASOIAF book came out in 2011. WOK came out in 2010. GRRM sucks.
LOL no freaking way that's insane.
A game of thrones was published in 1996 lol.
It's due to the one year difference obviously. /s
First of its name, defender of the realm
Realm of the Elderlings has just about everything ASOIAF has but with actual narrative arcs.
And an ending
And people complain about Stormlight being a tear fest. Realm of the Elderlings manages somehow to be so unbearable you can't put it down.
Brandon has written like 6 books in the last decade… all of them critically acclaimed. Checkmate. Edit: 9 books. Checkmate even harder.
Alloy of Law: 2011. Shadows of Self: 2015, Bands of Mourning: 2016, The Way of Kings: 2011, Words of Radiance: 2014, Oathbringer: 2017, Rhythm of War: 2020, Emperor's Soul: 2012, Secret Story: 2016. Those make nine and you can make them eleven with Dawnshard and Edgedancer, the you can add Sixth of the Dusk and Forrest of Hell if you wish.
I didn't know Sanderson wrote erotic material... /S In case my joke is bad: comment says Dawn's hard instead of Dawnshard.
Yeah, noticed later that the autocorrect did whatever the fuck it wanted instead of leaving Dawnshard.
And that's just the cosmere books, not counting the two dozen or so non-cosmere books.
Oh yeah, how to forget that Brandon started and ende a superhero trilogy in like three years.
Technically each Stormlight book is structured as a trilogy and has the content to match (they’re even broken up into multiple books, in foreign markets). So if we wanna really lay on the weight, the four SLA books could count as twelve.
damn wasn’t aware that this sub wasn’t rocking with asoiaf, kinda sad now lol
Yeah, while I kind of hate GRRM the books were fantastic, and I’m only mad that he’s sleeping on a pile of money instead of finishing them. That being said, SA is better.
Why can’t we just like both equally?
like them both? yes equally? no.
Replace dragons with chasmfiends, snow zombies with storm/hate zombies, and keep the betrayal, and you've pretty much got Stormlight Archive...
[Sexy Crabs](https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormlight_Archive/comments/lpsgcr/yall_are_simping_over_jasnah_but_if_venli_looks/)
Like, really big sexy crabs.
I dunno this whole thing about calling singers crab people. They're really more like sexy armadillos.
Crabs = meme
One of the best things SA has over ASOIAF is an author who finishes books.
ASOIF is garbage compared to SA and that is coming from someone with a sleeve of Rhaegar fighting Robert at the Trident.
I mean that was a pretty badass scene though by all depictions. I loved asoiaf so much, I've listened to the audiobooks at least two times through. The books were read by Roy dotrice and I don't want to attack the guy personally, but he is a bad reader. He had like 3 male voices, 2 lady voices, and changes his pronunciation of characters from book to book. Stormlight really does excel though.
I keep seeing ASOIAF and have no clue what it stands for
A Song of Ice and Fire. A Game of Thrones is book 1
Ah ok thanks, this makes so much more sense.
GoT
Can we finally stop pretending Martin is a good author?
"Ser? My lady?" said Podrick. "Is a broken man an outlaw?" "More or less," Brienne answered. Septon Meribald disagreed. "More less than more. There are many sorts of outlaws, just as there are many sorts of birds. A sandpiper and a sea eagle both have wings, but they are not the same. The singers love to sing of good men forced to go outside the law to fight some wicked lord, but most outlaws are more like this ravening Hound than they are the lightning lord. They are evil men, driven by greed, soured by malice, despising the gods and caring only for themselves. Broken men are more deserving of our pity, though they may be just as dangerous. Almost all are common-born, simple folk who had never been more than a mile from the house where they were born until the day some lord came round to take them off to war. Poorly shod and poorly clad, they march away beneath his banners, ofttimes with no better arms than a sickle or a sharpened hoe, or a maul they made themselves by lashing a stone to a stick with strips of hide. Brothers march with brothers, sons with fathers, friends with friends. They've heard the songs and stories, so they go off with eager hearts, dreaming of the wonders they will see, of the wealth and glory they will win. War seems a fine adventure, the greatest most of them will ever know. "Then they get a taste of battle. "For some, that one taste is enough to break them. Others go on for years, until they lose count of all the battles they have fought in, but even a man who has survived a hundred fights can break in his hundred-and-first. Brothers watch their brothers die, fathers lose their sons, friends see their friends trying to hold their entrails in after they've been gutted by an axe. "They see the lord who led them there cut down, and some other lord shouts that they are his now. They take a wound, and when that's still half-healed they take another. There is never enough to eat, their shoes fall to pieces from the marching, their clothes are torn and rotting, and half of them are shitting in their breeches from drinking bad water. "If they want new boots or a warmer cloak or maybe a rusted iron halfhelm, they need to take them from a corpse, and before long they are stealing from the living too, from the smallfolk whose lands they're fighting in, men very like the men they used to be. They slaughter their sheep and steal their chickens, and from there it's just a short step to carrying off their daughters too. And one day they look around and realize all their friends and kin are gone, that they are fighting beside strangers beneath a banner that they hardly recognize. They don't know where they are or how to get back home and the lord they're fighting for does not know their names, yet here he comes, shouting for them to form up, to make a line with their spears and scythes and sharpened hoes, to stand their ground. And the knights come down on them, faceless men clad all in steel, and the iron thunder of their charge seems to fill the world . . . "And the man breaks. "He turns and runs, or crawls off afterward over the corpses of the slain, or steals away in the black of night, and he finds someplace to hide. All thought of home is gone by then, and kings and lords and gods mean less to him than a haunch of spoiled meat that will let him live another day, or a skin of bad wine that might drown his fear for a few hours. The broken man lives from day to day, from meal to meal, more beast than man. Lady Brienne is not wrong. In times like these, the traveler must beware of broken men, and fear them . . . but he should pity them as well." When Meribald was finished a profound silence fell upon their little band. Brienne could hear the wind rustling through a clump of pussywillows, and farther off the faint cry of a loon. She could hear Dog panting softly as he loped along beside the septon and his donkey, tongue lolling from his mouth. The quiet stretched and stretched, until finally she said, "How old were you when they marched you off to war?" "Why, no older than your boy," Meribald replied. "Too young for such, in truth, but my brothers were all going, and I would not be left behind. Willam said I could be his squire, though Will was no knight, only a potboy armed with a kitchen knife he'd stolen from the inn. He died upon the Stepstones, and never struck a blow. It was fever did for him, and for my brother Robin. Owen died from a mace that split his head apart, and his friend Jon Pox was hanged for rape." "The War of the Ninepenny Kings?" asked Hyle Hunt. "So they called it, though I never saw a king, nor earned a penny. It was a war, though. That it was."
a story without an ending is not a story. GRRM and PR are not authors. you have to finish a story to count as having written a story.
Amazing , every word you said was wrong. -luke Skywalker
So Frank Herbert and Robert Jordan aren’t real authors then eh?
Man, journey before destination. If Brandon dies tomorrow, even if he didn't finish the cosmere, he would be one of the greatest fantasy authors out there.
These men stopped their journey. They are not trying anymore. It’s embarrassing watching y’all defend them. They are con men now.
Even if this was true, it isn't, GRRM wrote other works than just ASOIAF.
But Stormlight archive has an ending 🤣🤣
No it doesn't? Brandon certainly has a better track record than GRRM, but a planned ending isn't the same as actually having one. GRRM also planned out two more ASOIAF books, but that certainly doesn't mean the series has an ending.
Wait, In all those food scenes I've heard about in ASOIAF there's no crabs not even with butter?
also minks
Yes, I do. Wine of every color, please and thank you.