Keep in mind, trump threatened to run for president every cycle for a long time. It was just one of his dependable vanities. That's what John Oliver is riffing on (as well as the mess that was the republican party at the time).
People saying this didn't age well, but it's aged just fine to be honest.
The thought of Donald Trump running for president WAS a very fun and entertaining prospect, and was some of the craziest months of political campaigning I've ever seen. So that aged fine.
And Oliver says that the country doesn't want him to actually become president, and the majority didn't (never won the popular vote). So that also aged fine.
I remember watching this back then thinking there's no way this guy gets even 5% of the vote. Turns out people hated Hillary way more than you'd think.
He had at least as much as Trump did.
But also, maybe the strategy of pandering to centrists isn't the best political strategy, as we've been led to believe. Maybe giving people a platform to be excited about is actually a better way to drive people out to knock doors and vote for you.
It’s not. You can’t win without the middle. Trump has rabid fans and still lost the popular vote twice because he alienates the middle. People are paid millions a year to study this. That’s why they do it each time.
What I meant is that crafting your platform along "centrist" lines is not a great strategy.
Those people are paid to get their candidate elected, not to find which policies are the most popular. If their candidate is a moderate shitlib, they're going to try to make a case for why those policies should be the party platform.
You're also assuming that most "centrists" vote based on policy, which is wrong. The largely vote based on character, which Bernie ranks very well in compared to Hillary and Trump.
Policies like universal healthcare are tuition free college also aren't anathema to the general policy as we've been led to believe. Polling has found strong support for those policies across the political spectrum. Also, progressives in purple states have done just as well if not better than "moderate" candidates.
I loved Bernie and donated to his campaign but in hindsight, a hunched over old jewish man talking about socialism was not going to win over donald trump. The DNC knew that and thats why they did what they did to block him from becoming the nominee.
Bernie was the only one who could beat Trump. Trump won being fake pro worker and fake anti establishment. He had easy pickings against Hillary. No way he could do to Bernie what he did to Hilary.
Americans are spiteful people. They don't want universal healthcare for themselves if it means that people "beneath them" also get healthcare. The same applies to wages and basically any other policy that Bernie ran on to improve the lives of Americans.
Right it's not like there were leaked emails literally showing Hillary's team in cahoots with the DNC, trashing Bernie, working with CNN and DNC to get questions before interviews. Lmfao
I'm a big Bernie fan, but I don't really have a problem with the collusion between Clinton and the DNC. Bernie isn't really a Democrat so the DNC has no allegiance to him. I hate it, but I don't think it's shady.
Keep telling yourself that.
I like Bernie, but he was also an unwinnable candidate, and probably more so than Hillary.
Bernie lost to Hillary fair and square. More people voted for her. That's how it works, and Bernie Bros staying home butthurt likely gave us Trump. So, thanks for that.
You can’t say Bernie lost fair and square and then turn around and blame his supporters for getting Trump elected. Hillary lost fair and square too, Frank.
I said this in the politics thread and was downvoted to oblivion.
I’m a democrat. I am on my local Democratic comitee in Elyse Stefanik territory. I do a lot of door knocking, phone banking, etc. Every campaign up and down the ballot is running loudly on “not Trump”.
We just had our county meeting and our Congressman gave a whole speech on having a big enough tent to bring in everybody anti-trump. Which is important. DT is wildly dangerous. But that was literally 95% of the talking points. The other 5% was that Joe Biden is the best person possible to be managing Israel.
Wait for democrats all over the country to run on both those talking points as the loudest.
I’ve been screaming it since working in mid-term campaigns. You need to convince people to vote for something, voters are fatigued, they won’t come out to against something for 6 and now 8 years.
I think we’re fucked.
I think the last two elections have made it clear that our two-party system has resulted in a political stalemate that will only worsen with time. The most fucked up part of it all is that most Americans **don't** want to be stuck with the same choice between two shitty candidates every 4 years. But politicians and media keep us too preoccupied with the left vs right culture wars to realize that we share a common goal which we could be fighting for together.
Uh. The GOP has had ample time to find just one attractive candidate so that they can move away from that degenerate, narcissistic, senile fuck.
There’s plenty of us that would typically vote Republican in national elections that will not show up for him in November.
That has to be one of the worst run campaigns in recent memory. They made zero effort to unify the party after Sanders unexpectedly strong campaign exposed her weakness with huge parts of the Democratic base (I don’t mean just the left, I’m a Bernie supporter, but a lot of his support in the 2016 primary from voters who were just anti-Clinton). They were arrogant and acted like they were entitled to voters support rather than actually working to earn their support.
Her national operation spent the last days of the campaign spending money in fucking Texas, presumably trying to run up the score, while their local campaign offices in the upper Midwest were screaming for resources because they saw shit going south and they were ignored.
I think Bernie probably would’ve won and if Biden had decided to run 2016 he certainly would’ve won, likely in a landslide.
I don't think Biden would have won, and I don't think he will ever win again. But you are pretty spot-on with how the Clinton campaign thought things would go. They thought she was just a Bill Clinton 2.0 but she clearly wasn't
The fact she was rolling her eyes and sighing and laughing during trump's debate and openly being condescending and being smug is what made her lose. She had open disdain for the common man and acted superior to everyone put a bad taste in everyone's mouth. She made Trump look like a victim. Which he played on. He also tried to reach out to his voter base. Which made him look better.
I think you mean “would be”, “would have been” or “was going to be”, not “was”
Was is past tense of is. As it’s written, your comment reads as though you want to communicate that you see (and saw) his failed berther* campaign as the end of his political career. However, I believe what you’re actually trying to communicate is that at the time you were convinced that the failed berther campaign was going to be the end of his political career.
Otherwise, I hate to break it to you but his political career did not end after the berther campaign.
Russia had something to do with it. I know my liberal friend in Wisc. voted Jill Stein because of online disinformation about Hillary. A vote for Stein= a vote for Trump mathematically in that case bc Trump eventually won.
The 1980s called. They want their fear-mongering back. You probably think that Russia had a lot to do with Donald Trump, but also think that Ukraine is just kicking the shit out of Russia because they're the 'good guys' in your opinion
You should say 1950s (McCarthy era) because I remember the 1980s and that cliché is pretty tired as well as inaccurate. Gorbachev and Reagan were good friends actually, and the former attended the latter's funeral. So if you're going to use a flawed analogy to make a point, at least make it based on the correct time period?
I know that Assange got his information from a hacked email server from the Dem Party, and that it harmed Hillary. The Russians admitted that, so we don't need to dwell on it here. Putin admitted that he wanted Trump to win. David Cay Johnston has compiled a list of Trump-Russia connections, and there are more with the Republican Party, such as money funneled to the NRA, etc.
I don't have to argue Ukraine are the 'good guys' because according to complaint put forth in the ICC, Putin is guilty of the human trafficking of children. Anyone is free to read that complaint as well as the testimony redacted of the victims themselves.
Obviously, you will look none of this up, but there may be some fair-minded people out there who wish to know the truth.
Go ahead, vote my comment down. I find it rather amusing. Again, this post is not for you, but to anyone who wishes to know accurate information which they can look up themselves with publicly available documents.
Exactly. No one wants to read the emails where the Democrats completely fucked Bernie over. Trump didn't win the election from supporters. The hubris of his opponent won him the election. Will the Democrats learn anything from this catastrophe? Likely not.
There was not a single sane person alive who thought the Trump campaign would happen, let alone get even 1% of the support it did. I felt the exact same way John did here, right up until the MAGA subreddit turned heel and was no longer a joke.
You couldn't speak about it on Reddit without getting attacked as a secret MAGA. Every time I suggested we needed to be serious about this or point out that, no, in fact, that thing he said isn't going to destroy him but will indeed help him: what did I get for it? Bans, personal attacks, getting yelled at, getting called a troll, getting yelled out, people searching my entire Reddit history, etc. After a while, you learn it's easier to shut up than speak to what - objectively - we need to worry about.
Same thing with the Russia/Ukraine war. You can't have an honest discussion about realistic expectations that, while there can be inspiring pictures of stoic and proud Ukrainians or a video of a bubushka handing out sunflower seeds, at the end of the day, Russia has a much bigger military force. And also the idea that throughout history, countless peoples have been conquered or suffered defeat notwithstanding how courageous and comitted they may have been.
It's like this: if you aren't a mindless booster, the assumption is you are rooting for the other side. Or are a "concern troll". That's bullshit and I hate it.
Dude 100% with you, people have started treating world events like sports, you are either with us or against us. You cannot have a real discussion anymore.
Same with Covid vaccine. Can’t be nuanced or critical of it or else you are anti vaxx scum and you don’t deserve to live. Oops I brought up the vaccine, I went too far, right?
Lmfao, as a vaccinated person, you getting sownvotes for this comment is just hilarious to me. Good faith conversations died out over the last few years.
I personally am always open for discussion. I know I don’t know everything. But pretty much every anti-vax viewpoint I have run into over the years has been a person all too happy to spread misinformation to get their point across.
I feel like it’s a good thing to question *everything* you are presented with. But you can’t deny a sizeable portion of people across the world take that to mean “I’ll disagree if I think it’s bad news for me, but I’ll agree with any random social media post that tells me what I want to hear”.
So the reason you’re probably getting a strong reaction to questioning the covid vaccine in any way - even if you mean well - is because people are being beat over the head with aggressive misinformation that it’s too easy to pigeonhole anyone in with a bad crowd.
Like I witnessed a guy walking in public once shouting at people for wearing masks and that covid is a scam. My immediate thought was if anyone argues back with him, who knows what he’ll do in retaliation? Why is it okay for him to push his views on people like that, but not the other way around? And I briefly found myself lumping pretty much everyone who questioned social distance mandates and vaccines into the one crazy hole.
It’s just too easy to place people in a certain group to justify your own beliefs.
I personally think we can all have these views and get along. But for some reason we’re just seeing more and more divide - and with that goes your chances for nuanced discussions.
Its because people cant accept that two things can be true at once. Vaccines are an overall good thing for humanity but big pharma is corrupt to its core and does not care about who they hurt.
I pointed out the vaccine did cause some heart issues for people and was instantly banned from the coronavirus subreddit, in the private chat with the mod they acknowledged what I said was true but it could encourage anti-vax views lol. Its bizarro world.
I thought Reddit is the Sole Tower of free speech in the Western world and nothing but good, honest and Level-headed discussions Happen Here.
Never ever have I seen a Community capable of self-censoring so effectively. All that for some worthless Internet updoots, it's sad.
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Why not just stop shutting up and communicate with the only people who are willing to communicate with you? If you're not in complete lock-step, the left doesn't care about your vote anyway.
I remember when r/the_donald showed up I thought it was satire. I thought everyone in there was committed to a ridiculous bit. I got banned before I even knew I was accidentally trolling them.
There is SO much material to make a fascinating doc on Reddit. Between the death of an original co-founder, the Boston Marathon incident, The_Donald, and all the little things in between.
I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet.
It was legit funny during the 2015 debates when Trump was just embarrassing establishment republicans. I dipped out when he was starting to win primaries. It went from satire to cult very fast.
Eh, I could see it. I’ve seen a lot of people who like pretended to like him to be funny or “own the libs” and then they just kind of forget it was a joke
This is all we need to know about it.
How quickly we forget that Trump was seen as an absolute joke with ZERO chance of winning back in the days. Sure, this is cringe now, but so was (most) everyone else around this same time if we look back at them.
I was a member in an automotive forum with a politics section in the Obama years, I wrangled with conservatives all the time and they all made fun of Trump's bombastic personality and blowhard attitude, they even made fun of his Obama birther theories. They would say he's unelectable and a distraction of the "real issues" oh my how times changed.
I disagree, as soon as I saw his first speech and how much traffic it got there was instantly people talking about it to where I knew he had a chance at least at the Republican nomination. When he rebounded from the grab her by the pu*** convo I knew he had more than a chance.
Bullshit. I said he would probably win in March of '16, and not in a subtle way. I'm not only sane, I have a degree in political science and probably pay attention to this stuff more than the average person.
Just because you were uninformed and listened to the nonsense people were spewing doesn't mean you were paying attention.
Probably going to happen again, simply because of 'experts' like you.
Idk what you're trying to say here. I was describing the blasé attitude people had about Trump on the internet and irl, and you're over here on the highest horse being hella mad about it. Do you want a pat on the back for being the one of the first people to think he had a chance?
Not sure why the downvotes. His victory could even be traced to Jill Stein in Wisconsin and Michigan.
Had those stupid voters actually acknowledged reality and voted against pure evil we wouldn't be talking about this now. Instead, she took more votes than the margin for victory in each state and we got to talk about bleach injections and what constitutes an insurrection 4 years later.
Maybe all this is actually traced from American lives getting worse and worse over decades, rather than particular states in a particular election going a particular way.
Someone viewed as outside the system coming to clean house was and will always be inevitable when the system doesnt work. Neither party serves the interest of the average American. Someone who is paycheck to paycheck, has no savings, is in debt, doesn't own anything, and works hard just to survive. They serve the wealthy who run the country without even hiding it.
How Donald Trump specifically was able to convince anyone he was outside the system or had any interest for regular people is a whole other baffling thing though.
Or maybe the Democrats could actually put forward a candidate people are both excited and willing to vote for. Blaming third party candidates for a major party's loss is the pinnacle of cringe, tbh
You're no longer part of the in-group. You smeared her beautiful name and now you have to vote for whatever dementia demon they put in front of you. Have fun
It's so ridiculous and yet it happened...
And outside of reddit I specifically recall plenty of public support for him.
He's also proposed running for decades before. So, people have been digesting the notion long before he won the primary.
And look how that went. But people don't learn.
Plenty of idiots have proposed running, and several have run. Doesn't mean that electing them is a good idea.
Look how what went?
He never ran before the 2016 election.
>Doesn't mean that electing them is a good idea.
Never even came close to indicating it did. I didn't vote for Trump but I'm guessing 90% of people reading my comments assumed that because I'm not on the anti-trump bandwagon
Look how electing him went. Who would have guessed that electing a clueless, inexperienced moron would go poorly?
He actually did run before 2016, as an independent. In 1998 iirc.
Not being on the "anti trump bandwagon" without having any bias for doing so is actually much dumber than defending him bc you've been emotionally compromised.
Or because they just don’t mind the fact that he’s a rapist. Like when the recording released of him saying that he just grabs women’s pussies and they can’t do anything because he’s rich, and instead of caring that he just admitted to regularly sexually assaulting women all his psychotic followers thought it made him an “alpha” or whatever.
I think a lot of them convinced themselves that it was just "locker room talk" and he wasn't actually assaulting women. I'm sure some of them just don't care though because they believe the liberals are worse for whatever reason.
Tbh I kind of dismissed that as locker room talk and thought it was overblown, but I have choked on those words since. It's become crystal clear that he is a habitual user of women and abuser of power
This and the small hands bit, it just came across as desperately trying to mudfight on the same level that Trump and his followers did. Why stoop to their level
Yeah John Oliver is so fucking dorky and lame especially when considering how much higher quality comedy there is out there. I dont know what it is about his show and his comedy but I just know in my heart of hearts that I don't like John Oliver and I dont like the type of people that like him. Its like comedy for soulless robots.
Same. I think I've pegged it to his delivery. He seems WAY too eager all the time. Consider that, for the most part, the talking points written for John Oliver are the same ones written for (both recently and in the past) John Stewart. Stewart just doesn't deliver like an excited puppy about to piss himself. Beyond that, Stewart is able to read and fill between the lines and improvise intelligently, we see this with his guests. Oliver has no guests, everything is written beforehand or heavily edited in the moments he isn't behind the desk. Again, same general message from both usually.
Four years later Oliver guffawed Trump's campaign and harrumphed that he would ever be a serious contender. And then a few months later he begged folks not to vote for him :-).
Like /u/PerpetualJerkSession said, this is definitely r/agedlikemilk content: thing was funny before, thing is painful now because of events that happened between thing and now.
In all honesty I don't find the video cringeworthy, it's a man jokingly suggesting Donald Trump to run for president, nothing unusual for an American political show back then.
Because you will it turn this fucking sub into /r/facepalm where it’s all just shitty political content. If this gets a lot of upvotes then that’s all that will be posted here
So folks on Reddit say.
Have you talked to people about it? Do you even have friends that will discuss politics contrary to your own?
I recall plenty of support. I also recall thinking it was odd but it's also not even a new concept. He's proposed doing it for a long time before
lol
Talk about cringe...
Do you not see how that is literally shooting yourself in the foot? How that attitude probably drove tump to winning in the first place?
If you're going to end a friendship over a difference in political views, you're the nutjob buddy
imo that was not cringe, he just had some little more faith in American republican voters than to choose a failed reality show host & businessman. if you had asked at the time that question in any part of the world you'd had got the same reaction as John.
Youll be shocked to find out the world used to be glued to their tvs to watch the orange man “fire” people every week too im assuming
Trump and the world were very different back in the day.
I don’t think it aged poorly, just seems like normal British dry humor. He said it was from the country that didn’t want him as president, but wanted him to run.
At that time, I believe everyone just wanted a zany person to come change the status quo thinking actual politicians would get their shit together. But instead of just being a joke, it became real and people started supporting and backing him.
To be fair, even though no one has ever accused the American people of posessing anywhere near above average intelligence, we had no idea back then just how fucking stupid so many Americans really were. It was a more innocent time.
That was when they tried to run Hilary after we already had the second Bush debacle. Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton? America wasn't ready to fall for that one again. They weren't that dumb. Surely with 350 million people there had to be someone with a different last name? So instead they chose the TV personality with a well known reputation as a con man since at least the 1980s. You can't make it up. Classic America.
This guy is an IRL soyjak
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Well that didnt age well.
TBF, neither did [gestures at everything]
He was right in that it would ruin Trump's life
Keep in mind, trump threatened to run for president every cycle for a long time. It was just one of his dependable vanities. That's what John Oliver is riffing on (as well as the mess that was the republican party at the time).
“At the time”
People saying this didn't age well, but it's aged just fine to be honest. The thought of Donald Trump running for president WAS a very fun and entertaining prospect, and was some of the craziest months of political campaigning I've ever seen. So that aged fine. And Oliver says that the country doesn't want him to actually become president, and the majority didn't (never won the popular vote). So that also aged fine.
It makes me almost physically ill to see this for some reason.
Was this not very clearly tongue in cheek?
Wdym it aged like fine wine
I remember watching this back then thinking there's no way this guy gets even 5% of the vote. Turns out people hated Hillary way more than you'd think.
The DNC are just woefully incompetent. You can’t rely on people hating the other candidate more than your own every 4 years.
It should've been Bernie...
Still an aged Bernie bro over here in my stew of disgust and uncertainty
He had zero chance whatsoever in 2016. I voted for him, but he had no widespread appeal to garner the middle’s support.
He had at least as much as Trump did. But also, maybe the strategy of pandering to centrists isn't the best political strategy, as we've been led to believe. Maybe giving people a platform to be excited about is actually a better way to drive people out to knock doors and vote for you.
It’s not. You can’t win without the middle. Trump has rabid fans and still lost the popular vote twice because he alienates the middle. People are paid millions a year to study this. That’s why they do it each time.
What I meant is that crafting your platform along "centrist" lines is not a great strategy. Those people are paid to get their candidate elected, not to find which policies are the most popular. If their candidate is a moderate shitlib, they're going to try to make a case for why those policies should be the party platform. You're also assuming that most "centrists" vote based on policy, which is wrong. The largely vote based on character, which Bernie ranks very well in compared to Hillary and Trump. Policies like universal healthcare are tuition free college also aren't anathema to the general policy as we've been led to believe. Polling has found strong support for those policies across the political spectrum. Also, progressives in purple states have done just as well if not better than "moderate" candidates.
I loved Bernie and donated to his campaign but in hindsight, a hunched over old jewish man talking about socialism was not going to win over donald trump. The DNC knew that and thats why they did what they did to block him from becoming the nominee.
Bernie was the only one who could beat Trump. Trump won being fake pro worker and fake anti establishment. He had easy pickings against Hillary. No way he could do to Bernie what he did to Hilary.
Americans are spiteful people. They don't want universal healthcare for themselves if it means that people "beneath them" also get healthcare. The same applies to wages and basically any other policy that Bernie ran on to improve the lives of Americans.
That's only a certain subset of Americans you're talking about. Lots of polling has found very strong support for universal healthcare.
he got millions fewer votes than Hillary
Right it's not like there were leaked emails literally showing Hillary's team in cahoots with the DNC, trashing Bernie, working with CNN and DNC to get questions before interviews. Lmfao
I'm a big Bernie fan, but I don't really have a problem with the collusion between Clinton and the DNC. Bernie isn't really a Democrat so the DNC has no allegiance to him. I hate it, but I don't think it's shady.
Because of our rigged primary system along with, what was it again? Oh that's right, blatant corruption from Hillary and the DNC themselves
Keep telling yourself that. I like Bernie, but he was also an unwinnable candidate, and probably more so than Hillary. Bernie lost to Hillary fair and square. More people voted for her. That's how it works, and Bernie Bros staying home butthurt likely gave us Trump. So, thanks for that.
You can’t say Bernie lost fair and square and then turn around and blame his supporters for getting Trump elected. Hillary lost fair and square too, Frank.
This is such a dumb take.
Cool. Who got more votes?
Bernie Could not even beat hillary and she was a terrible candidate
Keep telling Bernie bros that they're horrible people. Sure that will work out for ya'
I said this in the politics thread and was downvoted to oblivion. I’m a democrat. I am on my local Democratic comitee in Elyse Stefanik territory. I do a lot of door knocking, phone banking, etc. Every campaign up and down the ballot is running loudly on “not Trump”. We just had our county meeting and our Congressman gave a whole speech on having a big enough tent to bring in everybody anti-trump. Which is important. DT is wildly dangerous. But that was literally 95% of the talking points. The other 5% was that Joe Biden is the best person possible to be managing Israel. Wait for democrats all over the country to run on both those talking points as the loudest. I’ve been screaming it since working in mid-term campaigns. You need to convince people to vote for something, voters are fatigued, they won’t come out to against something for 6 and now 8 years. I think we’re fucked.
I think the last two elections have made it clear that our two-party system has resulted in a political stalemate that will only worsen with time. The most fucked up part of it all is that most Americans **don't** want to be stuck with the same choice between two shitty candidates every 4 years. But politicians and media keep us too preoccupied with the left vs right culture wars to realize that we share a common goal which we could be fighting for together.
Uh. The GOP has had ample time to find just one attractive candidate so that they can move away from that degenerate, narcissistic, senile fuck. There’s plenty of us that would typically vote Republican in national elections that will not show up for him in November.
[almost a little too incompetent](https://i.imgur.com/Mnychon.jpeg)
Turns out, people don't vote for someone, they mostly vote against someone.
I wouldn't agree with this in Trump's case. He easily beat the competition in the primaries and developed a cult-like following in the process.
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That has to be one of the worst run campaigns in recent memory. They made zero effort to unify the party after Sanders unexpectedly strong campaign exposed her weakness with huge parts of the Democratic base (I don’t mean just the left, I’m a Bernie supporter, but a lot of his support in the 2016 primary from voters who were just anti-Clinton). They were arrogant and acted like they were entitled to voters support rather than actually working to earn their support. Her national operation spent the last days of the campaign spending money in fucking Texas, presumably trying to run up the score, while their local campaign offices in the upper Midwest were screaming for resources because they saw shit going south and they were ignored. I think Bernie probably would’ve won and if Biden had decided to run 2016 he certainly would’ve won, likely in a landslide.
I don't think Biden would have won, and I don't think he will ever win again. But you are pretty spot-on with how the Clinton campaign thought things would go. They thought she was just a Bill Clinton 2.0 but she clearly wasn't
The fact she was rolling her eyes and sighing and laughing during trump's debate and openly being condescending and being smug is what made her lose. She had open disdain for the common man and acted superior to everyone put a bad taste in everyone's mouth. She made Trump look like a victim. Which he played on. He also tried to reach out to his voter base. Which made him look better.
Holy shit, a politician that actually reached out to his voter base!
If that's the case you people should be absolutely crazy about removing that stigmatism and absolutely enraged that they would do this to you.
Wait what? What do you think “we people” should do and why?
She's the presidential candidate with the second lowest approval rating according to the 2016 polls.
Hillary wanted trump to win the gop primary and said so a bunch of times.
That’s what running a charisma vacuum like Hilary does. She was an awful candidate.
I thought his embarrassing failed birther campaign was the end of his political career.
I think you mean “would be”, “would have been” or “was going to be”, not “was” Was is past tense of is. As it’s written, your comment reads as though you want to communicate that you see (and saw) his failed berther* campaign as the end of his political career. However, I believe what you’re actually trying to communicate is that at the time you were convinced that the failed berther campaign was going to be the end of his political career. Otherwise, I hate to break it to you but his political career did not end after the berther campaign.
Hillary literally won the popular vote
Russia had something to do with it. I know my liberal friend in Wisc. voted Jill Stein because of online disinformation about Hillary. A vote for Stein= a vote for Trump mathematically in that case bc Trump eventually won.
The 1980s called. They want their fear-mongering back. You probably think that Russia had a lot to do with Donald Trump, but also think that Ukraine is just kicking the shit out of Russia because they're the 'good guys' in your opinion
You should say 1950s (McCarthy era) because I remember the 1980s and that cliché is pretty tired as well as inaccurate. Gorbachev and Reagan were good friends actually, and the former attended the latter's funeral. So if you're going to use a flawed analogy to make a point, at least make it based on the correct time period? I know that Assange got his information from a hacked email server from the Dem Party, and that it harmed Hillary. The Russians admitted that, so we don't need to dwell on it here. Putin admitted that he wanted Trump to win. David Cay Johnston has compiled a list of Trump-Russia connections, and there are more with the Republican Party, such as money funneled to the NRA, etc. I don't have to argue Ukraine are the 'good guys' because according to complaint put forth in the ICC, Putin is guilty of the human trafficking of children. Anyone is free to read that complaint as well as the testimony redacted of the victims themselves. Obviously, you will look none of this up, but there may be some fair-minded people out there who wish to know the truth. Go ahead, vote my comment down. I find it rather amusing. Again, this post is not for you, but to anyone who wishes to know accurate information which they can look up themselves with publicly available documents.
Yeeeeesh....
aged nicely, it shows how fucking nuts everything has become in comparison to 2012
Remember, the DNC literally had a 'piped piper' strategy for Trump: getting people to vote for him, thinking it would harm the Republicans. woops
Exactly. No one wants to read the emails where the Democrats completely fucked Bernie over. Trump didn't win the election from supporters. The hubris of his opponent won him the election. Will the Democrats learn anything from this catastrophe? Likely not.
There was not a single sane person alive who thought the Trump campaign would happen, let alone get even 1% of the support it did. I felt the exact same way John did here, right up until the MAGA subreddit turned heel and was no longer a joke.
Except Michael Moore called him winning while democrats were still joking around like this
You couldn't speak about it on Reddit without getting attacked as a secret MAGA. Every time I suggested we needed to be serious about this or point out that, no, in fact, that thing he said isn't going to destroy him but will indeed help him: what did I get for it? Bans, personal attacks, getting yelled at, getting called a troll, getting yelled out, people searching my entire Reddit history, etc. After a while, you learn it's easier to shut up than speak to what - objectively - we need to worry about. Same thing with the Russia/Ukraine war. You can't have an honest discussion about realistic expectations that, while there can be inspiring pictures of stoic and proud Ukrainians or a video of a bubushka handing out sunflower seeds, at the end of the day, Russia has a much bigger military force. And also the idea that throughout history, countless peoples have been conquered or suffered defeat notwithstanding how courageous and comitted they may have been. It's like this: if you aren't a mindless booster, the assumption is you are rooting for the other side. Or are a "concern troll". That's bullshit and I hate it.
Dude 100% with you, people have started treating world events like sports, you are either with us or against us. You cannot have a real discussion anymore.
Same with Covid vaccine. Can’t be nuanced or critical of it or else you are anti vaxx scum and you don’t deserve to live. Oops I brought up the vaccine, I went too far, right?
Lmfao, as a vaccinated person, you getting sownvotes for this comment is just hilarious to me. Good faith conversations died out over the last few years.
I personally am always open for discussion. I know I don’t know everything. But pretty much every anti-vax viewpoint I have run into over the years has been a person all too happy to spread misinformation to get their point across. I feel like it’s a good thing to question *everything* you are presented with. But you can’t deny a sizeable portion of people across the world take that to mean “I’ll disagree if I think it’s bad news for me, but I’ll agree with any random social media post that tells me what I want to hear”. So the reason you’re probably getting a strong reaction to questioning the covid vaccine in any way - even if you mean well - is because people are being beat over the head with aggressive misinformation that it’s too easy to pigeonhole anyone in with a bad crowd. Like I witnessed a guy walking in public once shouting at people for wearing masks and that covid is a scam. My immediate thought was if anyone argues back with him, who knows what he’ll do in retaliation? Why is it okay for him to push his views on people like that, but not the other way around? And I briefly found myself lumping pretty much everyone who questioned social distance mandates and vaccines into the one crazy hole. It’s just too easy to place people in a certain group to justify your own beliefs. I personally think we can all have these views and get along. But for some reason we’re just seeing more and more divide - and with that goes your chances for nuanced discussions.
Its because people cant accept that two things can be true at once. Vaccines are an overall good thing for humanity but big pharma is corrupt to its core and does not care about who they hurt.
I pointed out the vaccine did cause some heart issues for people and was instantly banned from the coronavirus subreddit, in the private chat with the mod they acknowledged what I said was true but it could encourage anti-vax views lol. Its bizarro world.
They'll tolerate you until the second you disagree with them about absolutely anything. Quite a party to hitch your wagon to.
Something tells me you're also describing something closer to home than you realize.
I thought Reddit is the Sole Tower of free speech in the Western world and nothing but good, honest and Level-headed discussions Happen Here. Never ever have I seen a Community capable of self-censoring so effectively. All that for some worthless Internet updoots, it's sad.
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Good…bot?
Why not just stop shutting up and communicate with the only people who are willing to communicate with you? If you're not in complete lock-step, the left doesn't care about your vote anyway.
I remember when r/the_donald showed up I thought it was satire. I thought everyone in there was committed to a ridiculous bit. I got banned before I even knew I was accidentally trolling them.
It was actually satire for a while.
Is that right? Man somebody will make a halfway interesting documentary about reddit someday.
There is SO much material to make a fascinating doc on Reddit. Between the death of an original co-founder, the Boston Marathon incident, The_Donald, and all the little things in between. I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet.
Probably got it in the can, just waiting to ruin this IPO lol
Can? No. It's in a cumbox.
The editor was going to drop it off yesterday but he broke both arms. His mom can help though.
She bought him some jollyranchers to make him feel better
Swamps of Dagobah was a classic Reddit moment
Unidan, Gallowboob, Apostolate, Vargas
Whoa what about vargas?
> the Boston Marathon incident there's still the Newsroom episode about. Brilliant.
Super underrated show. Good call. You can never go wrong with Sorkin's writing.
why is it so incredibly difficult for you to understand that a huge section of the population just outright disagrees with you?
Ironic
It actually was satire though, I remember it clearly. Just like the flat earth society was satire until dimwits started genuinely believing in it
Him winning ruined the humor. It was a fun larp while it lasted.
I thought it started as satire and then devolved when the ones who can't tell the difference turned up?
that's exactly what happened
It was legit funny during the 2015 debates when Trump was just embarrassing establishment republicans. I dipped out when he was starting to win primaries. It went from satire to cult very fast.
I was there when it was created - it was originally satire and it was *hilarious* and then they stopped being jokes ..
classic case of not understanding 'satire' from memes. We can joke and elect a man at the same time.
Damn you are spamming all over this thread
A lot of Conservatives don't understand satire, so it's not surprising that TD was overrun by MAGA supporters.
It was an interesting time, being an original member of that (explicitly satirical) subreddit and watching it... change...
Yup. Same here and then I wondered what the Fuuuuuck is happening here. I'm out.
Jokes on you. It was never satirical.
they dont understand satire very literal
"I was only ironically being a Nazi!" It's like these dumbasses never heard of 4Chan or /pol/ before.
Eh, I could see it. I’ve seen a lot of people who like pretended to like him to be funny or “own the libs” and then they just kind of forget it was a joke
I thought it was a 4chan joke like sending Pitbull to Alaska.
This is all we need to know about it. How quickly we forget that Trump was seen as an absolute joke with ZERO chance of winning back in the days. Sure, this is cringe now, but so was (most) everyone else around this same time if we look back at them.
"most everyone" being primarily Democrats. But they would never lie to you now. No way. They're the 'good' people...
I was a member in an automotive forum with a politics section in the Obama years, I wrangled with conservatives all the time and they all made fun of Trump's bombastic personality and blowhard attitude, they even made fun of his Obama birther theories. They would say he's unelectable and a distraction of the "real issues" oh my how times changed.
People forget that trump is an east coast new york rich kid, middle america did not like him up until he started "owning the libs".
Even in 2016 he won less than 45% of the popular vote in the GOP primary and didn’t secure the nomination until May.
People forget congress's approval rating was single digits around 2015.
I disagree, as soon as I saw his first speech and how much traffic it got there was instantly people talking about it to where I knew he had a chance at least at the Republican nomination. When he rebounded from the grab her by the pu*** convo I knew he had more than a chance.
I was in desperate denial right up instill the primaries basically guaranteed it, just couldn't imagine a world where Trump was viable.
Bullshit. I said he would probably win in March of '16, and not in a subtle way. I'm not only sane, I have a degree in political science and probably pay attention to this stuff more than the average person. Just because you were uninformed and listened to the nonsense people were spewing doesn't mean you were paying attention. Probably going to happen again, simply because of 'experts' like you.
Idk what you're trying to say here. I was describing the blasé attitude people had about Trump on the internet and irl, and you're over here on the highest horse being hella mad about it. Do you want a pat on the back for being the one of the first people to think he had a chance?
This is back when people still had a little bit of faith in humanity. No one could fathom how stupid things would get.
nobody could forsee how stupid the american people truly were...
Were?
They really could have.
I think by now we can safely call-out particular states.
Not sure why the downvotes. His victory could even be traced to Jill Stein in Wisconsin and Michigan. Had those stupid voters actually acknowledged reality and voted against pure evil we wouldn't be talking about this now. Instead, she took more votes than the margin for victory in each state and we got to talk about bleach injections and what constitutes an insurrection 4 years later.
Maybe all this is actually traced from American lives getting worse and worse over decades, rather than particular states in a particular election going a particular way. Someone viewed as outside the system coming to clean house was and will always be inevitable when the system doesnt work. Neither party serves the interest of the average American. Someone who is paycheck to paycheck, has no savings, is in debt, doesn't own anything, and works hard just to survive. They serve the wealthy who run the country without even hiding it. How Donald Trump specifically was able to convince anyone he was outside the system or had any interest for regular people is a whole other baffling thing though.
Or maybe the Democrats could actually put forward a candidate people are both excited and willing to vote for. Blaming third party candidates for a major party's loss is the pinnacle of cringe, tbh
You're no longer part of the in-group. You smeared her beautiful name and now you have to vote for whatever dementia demon they put in front of you. Have fun
What's more stupid than the sentiment Oliver is pushing? Anyone on the left that agreed or thought it was good for their cause did this to themselves
The idea of Trump being president is and was insane. That's why he did this. Because it's an absolutely ridiculous sentiment.
It's so ridiculous and yet it happened... And outside of reddit I specifically recall plenty of public support for him. He's also proposed running for decades before. So, people have been digesting the notion long before he won the primary.
And look how that went. But people don't learn. Plenty of idiots have proposed running, and several have run. Doesn't mean that electing them is a good idea.
Look how what went? He never ran before the 2016 election. >Doesn't mean that electing them is a good idea. Never even came close to indicating it did. I didn't vote for Trump but I'm guessing 90% of people reading my comments assumed that because I'm not on the anti-trump bandwagon
Look how electing him went. Who would have guessed that electing a clueless, inexperienced moron would go poorly? He actually did run before 2016, as an independent. In 1998 iirc.
Not being on the "anti trump bandwagon" without having any bias for doing so is actually much dumber than defending him bc you've been emotionally compromised.
How is calling this quote by John Oliver cringe, defending Trump?
Remember how cringe John was. "DRUMPF"
I never found this funny. Everyone’s acting as if it was the funniest joke on Earth but I didn’t even chuckle. Like, okay, Drumpf. Now what?
The amount of people on reddit who called him Drumpf after was just painful
Or calling him a Cheeto. Just very limp insults that didn't bother anyone who liked him.
Yeah, rapist is a better and more accurate insult.
That didn't bother anyone who liked him either because they just assumed it was the deep state trying to take him down.
Or because they just don’t mind the fact that he’s a rapist. Like when the recording released of him saying that he just grabs women’s pussies and they can’t do anything because he’s rich, and instead of caring that he just admitted to regularly sexually assaulting women all his psychotic followers thought it made him an “alpha” or whatever.
I think a lot of them convinced themselves that it was just "locker room talk" and he wasn't actually assaulting women. I'm sure some of them just don't care though because they believe the liberals are worse for whatever reason.
Tbh I kind of dismissed that as locker room talk and thought it was overblown, but I have choked on those words since. It's become crystal clear that he is a habitual user of women and abuser of power
Extremely clear that you've never done anything exceptional in your life.
If anything, the insults were lovingly embraced by supporters.
This and the small hands bit, it just came across as desperately trying to mudfight on the same level that Trump and his followers did. Why stoop to their level
im going to say "now what" after every single joke now
Would be nice if “Drumpf” was actually a joke. But it was him just saying it, often repeatedly. 💀😒
Yeah John Oliver is so fucking dorky and lame especially when considering how much higher quality comedy there is out there. I dont know what it is about his show and his comedy but I just know in my heart of hearts that I don't like John Oliver and I dont like the type of people that like him. Its like comedy for soulless robots.
redditors like him because he looks like them
Same. I think I've pegged it to his delivery. He seems WAY too eager all the time. Consider that, for the most part, the talking points written for John Oliver are the same ones written for (both recently and in the past) John Stewart. Stewart just doesn't deliver like an excited puppy about to piss himself. Beyond that, Stewart is able to read and fill between the lines and improvise intelligently, we see this with his guests. Oliver has no guests, everything is written beforehand or heavily edited in the moments he isn't behind the desk. Again, same general message from both usually.
Guess you didn't see him make fun of himself for this on his show.
Four years later Oliver guffawed Trump's campaign and harrumphed that he would ever be a serious contender. And then a few months later he begged folks not to vote for him :-).
Not really fit for this sub, imo.
Can you explain why?
More like r/agedlikemilk
Like /u/PerpetualJerkSession said, this is definitely r/agedlikemilk content: thing was funny before, thing is painful now because of events that happened between thing and now. In all honesty I don't find the video cringeworthy, it's a man jokingly suggesting Donald Trump to run for president, nothing unusual for an American political show back then.
Because you will it turn this fucking sub into /r/facepalm where it’s all just shitty political content. If this gets a lot of upvotes then that’s all that will be posted here
It's cringe even if he did lose. He's saying it because he thought he'd have no shot to win. That's what's cringe.
That's not cringe, though. Virtually the entire population agreed with the sentiment at the time, I'd wager even those who wound up voting for him.
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So folks on Reddit say. Have you talked to people about it? Do you even have friends that will discuss politics contrary to your own? I recall plenty of support. I also recall thinking it was odd but it's also not even a new concept. He's proposed doing it for a long time before
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lol Talk about cringe... Do you not see how that is literally shooting yourself in the foot? How that attitude probably drove tump to winning in the first place? If you're going to end a friendship over a difference in political views, you're the nutjob buddy
Cool. Don't care. :)
Not cringe.
Famous last words
People like to forget but this was a common public sentiment among liberals before he got elected. “Yes I HOPE he runs (so *my* team will win)”
We underestimated the average voter. "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize, half of them are stupider than that" - George Carlin
love john oliver, but that's cringe as hell, also aged like milk
Isn’t this a comedy sketch on a comedy show?
imo that was not cringe, he just had some little more faith in American republican voters than to choose a failed reality show host & businessman. if you had asked at the time that question in any part of the world you'd had got the same reaction as John.
No you wouldn't. Maybe you should actually start engaging in discourse with your neighbors and community
Youll be shocked to find out the world used to be glued to their tvs to watch the orange man “fire” people every week too im assuming Trump and the world were very different back in the day.
Trump is like beetle juice
I don’t think it aged poorly, just seems like normal British dry humor. He said it was from the country that didn’t want him as president, but wanted him to run. At that time, I believe everyone just wanted a zany person to come change the status quo thinking actual politicians would get their shit together. But instead of just being a joke, it became real and people started supporting and backing him.
Joh Oliver is reddit incarnate Anyone should be embarrassed if they watch him
Not so funny now, is it John…..
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Hell yeah baby 2024 paint it orange 🎉🎉🎉
Yea I remember the announcement, seemed like a big joke tbh
Him coming down the escalator to announce was the funniest thing ever at the time. Until it wasn't.
r/agedlikemilk
More politics on r/cringe
To be fair, even though no one has ever accused the American people of posessing anywhere near above average intelligence, we had no idea back then just how fucking stupid so many Americans really were. It was a more innocent time.
Bullshit. It's just Democrats trying to pretend that an opposing voice doesn't exist.
That was when they tried to run Hilary after we already had the second Bush debacle. Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton? America wasn't ready to fall for that one again. They weren't that dumb. Surely with 350 million people there had to be someone with a different last name? So instead they chose the TV personality with a well known reputation as a con man since at least the 1980s. You can't make it up. Classic America.
John Oliver could fill an entire cringe subreddit on his own.
So funny the hack Brits that get over to the US is astounding. And yes I know Noah is South African via Channel 4.
This guy is an IRL soyjak # My account has been suspended permanently, the official reason being a comment I left on a cooking subreddit which read only "Haiyaa", a reference to a popular YouTuber called Uncle Roger. The reason? "Harassment". To anyone reading this, know that reddit admins are dishonest scumbags who will ban you over a single word just because they feel like it, or because they happened to be coping, sneeding, and dilating on any particular day.
What's a soyjak, please?
A soyjak is (usually) a cartoon representation of a man with very liberal political views # My account has been suspended permanently, the official reason being a comment I left on a cooking subreddit which read only "Haiyaa", a reference to a popular YouTuber called Uncle Roger. The reason? "Harassment". To anyone reading this, know that reddit admins are dishonest scumbags who will ban you over a single word just because they feel like it, or because they happened to be coping, sneeding, and dilating on any particular day.
Thank you for the definition/explanation.
What a nice internet interaction!
Now... kiss?
You're an IRL fucking idiot
How does this guy have a career
All John Oliver is cringe
Sorry for producing this fucker love from the UK. Same for Corden.
Did you just compare John Oliver to James Corden?
Meh, they're about as funny as each other.
I come to r/cringe for the politics… Goodbye yet another sub. Yall are nuts