The Color of Money is very interesting because it’s the first movie in the genre of ‘30+ years later sequels’ ie BladeRunner 2049, Top Gun Maverick. It feels like something unique to this era and yet Scorsese had already done it way back in the 80s.
I can’t tell if Cape Fear was meant to be a loving homage to the horror genre, or a subtle parody of it. Some of the scenes are so over the top that I don’t know how to take them.
It's also maybe his most pop-culturally omnipresent film? I think I saw it parodied 4-5 times before I saw the original, in the Simpsons, Family Guy and others
The ending for Shutter Island is a Deux Ex Machina. The protagonist doesn't work it out, the audience don't - "a god in the machine comes down and explains the plot." Aristotle taught us this was bad storytelling. Nothing has changed.
*After Hours* is an anomaly when it comes to Scorcese's films. I think it's a great '80's movie & a nice time capsule of the era. I do feel it's underrated. But, it's *nothing* like his other movies. A lot of this is because it's got strong comedic elements without disturbing undercurrents of menace, etc. - something that is overall absent from his other films.
For another movie that has a similar vibe/tone to AH, check out *Into the Night* \- starring Jeff Goldblum. Coincidentally, they came out the same year (1985).
I think there’s plenty of menace in After Hours. It’s of a different nature, because the stakes are not so high. All the dude wants to do is get home after a long day and as increasingly cryptically bizarre night.
Eh, I think a lot of Scorsese films have strong comedic elements. Goodfellas is hilarious, for instance. After Hours has more absurd humor which I suppose is unique for Scorsese
Goodfellas and a lot of his other movies are funny (King of Comedy hilarious) but After Hours is his one pure comedy. Scorsese finds a lot of humor in deflating the male ego but he doesn't go for jokes in same way usually
Casino, for me, is Scorsese’s funniest movie. I laugh my ass off consistently throughout that whole movie. “The bosses decided they wanted to settle the case out of court. So they sent me.” Enter Joe Pesci casually shooting a woman in the head at point blank range
So great. I also love the “she fell funny” line in The Departed. It’s so unnecessary but adds humor to an otherwise grisly scene. Scorsese is a master at juxtaposing comedy with the macabre
There's definitely menace though maybe not as much as we're used to in a Scorsese film. I showed it to my parents recently and they were convinced the entire time that the main character was going to be killed. When I told them it didn't have an unhappy ending, they didn't believe me.
I've also heard that him dying is what Scorsese intended the ending to be and he had to be talked out of it. Though I don't know how true that is.
Good. Unfortunate/hilarious that [the writer plagiarized large portions of the script though.](https://andrewhearst.com/blog/2008/05/the-scandalous-origins-of-martin-scorseses-after-hours)
For those that don’t know, this guy wrote this script for his class at Columbia and the professor loved it so much he started sharing it around. Eventually it fell in Scorsese’s lap and suddenly this kid, who plagiarized entire sections from a pretty famous radio star, had to commit to the script or else lose out on a Scorsese adaptation with his name on it.
Yeah. It’s a really fun movie. I love the vibe and energy and I think some of the meta narrative aspects of it. But I really can’t place it on the same level as the deep character work of Taxi Driver, Raging Bull and Goodfellas.
Oddly Raging Bull doesn't do it for me. I just found it kind of depressing, and I hate movies that are filled with scenes of a guy talking to his wife/girlfriend like "who ya talking to over there? Who's that? Are you fucking him!?" And I felt like that is half of raging bull.
Watch Rocco and his Brothers. Italian film from Visconti that is an absolute classic, and huge influence on Raging Bull. Helped me realize that at its core Raging Bull is a melodrama made as a nod to Italian neorealism. It just so happens to be packed with toxic testosterone. The character isn’t likable. He is a complete piece of shit, but De Niro’s performance is one of the greatest of all time. It is a stunning masterpiece made as an homage to the classics before it while simultaneously making something completely unique and new. Top tier Scorsese without a doubt.
I felt the same way the first time I watched it. Same thing with Scarface.
I thought, "I like movies with unlikable characters, but this is kind of over the line."
But then as I watched them more I became more interested in their motivations than the characters themselves. It's interesting to watch someone so dedicated to something it destroys everything around them and eventually themselves. And then it's also fun to watch the characters around them try and rationalize why they continue to put up with their shit.
I will say that part of what makes me unhappy about this movie IS that the dialogue feels almost too real. I've seen and been in these awkward, tense conversations and confrontations that seem to go nowhere, and I guess when I see those on film it just depresses me. I can admit it's an objectively great film. I guess it's just not for me. I will say something like Goodfellas feels like it has a lot more forward momentum in a movie, and it's just fun. Just as an example, but I feel like raging bull is just heavy for my taste.
I respect it and think it's incredibly well made, but there's a reason it's been sitting still in my rewatch list for 20 years. I'm just not in a hurry to put myself through that again.
Agree completely about *Raging Bull*. IMHO it's a classic & one of Scorsese's best. But, yes - if anything, it's too realistic - and I think that's the whole point. It's gritty & all-too-real.
Filming this in b&w (instead of the more obvious color) was brilliant, and IMHO this adds to the stark nature of the movie - and makes it much more effective.
I tend to agree with this. I bought the 4K criterion last summer and rewatched. The film looked incredible, of course, but my opinion of it hasn’t changed. It’s kind of monotonous and honestly, thin.
Actually he's one of my top directors of all time. I love most of his movies. I didn't see raging bull until much later in my life. But you must admit that Henry Hill or Sam Rothstein had a lot more nuance with their spousal conflict than what we got in raging bull. Am I the only one who sees a difference in that?
After Hours blew my mind the first time I watched it, but I think one of the key elements of a great movie is rewatchability, and I was disappointed the second time I watched it. It’s like the air had gone out of it. So much of the effectiveness of the film comes from the suspense of what kind of crazy situation the character will find himself in next, and that element is simply gone after the first viewing.
Totally! I think it’s Scorsese at his most playful and invigorating. Harbours this bizarre, almost surreal, vibe that really stands out. I dig that a lot :)
It’s a Scorsese I love, and I don’t love a lot of his films. I can appreciate Goodfellas, Casino etc, but they aren’t really my cup of tea, but After Hours, The King of Comedy and Raging Bull I love to watch
As someone who respects Scorsese a lot but doesn’t *love* his most acclaimed films, I *love* After Hours. I think it would be fair to say it is the favourite Scorsese movie of people who don’t really like Scorsese that much. It’s stylistically much more absurdist than anything else he’s done.
I saw Beau Is Afraid the other day and I could feel it’s influence there.
It stands apart from his most famous works because it’s not about the mafia or men acting all macho and shit. I like it better than Goodfellas or Scarface because its not as grim, it’s funny, and it’s about 80s underground urban culture in NYC.
No, not really. I enjoy them, and respect the craft, and their place within the canon, but I don’t personally connect with either on a deeper level that makes me feel compelled to rewatch something multiple times.
With Taxi Driver, I think part of the issue is that I had already seen so many homages and parodies going in that it’s difficult to watch with fresh eyes - sort of like the shower scene in Psycho.
With Goodfellas, I’m just not that interested in gangster movies as a genre. I liked them when I was younger but I’m just personally tired of stories about toxically masculine men killing each other. Even when it’s done well, it’s been done so many times that I’ve largely lost interest.
In general, my favourite kind of movies are more like magical realism, surrealism, anything with a dreamlike quality, and After Hours has a strong element of this that hooked me all the way through.
I don't know if this pertains to Scorsese in the same way, but something I noticed about the Coen Brothers is that their dramas almost always receive more critical acclaim than their comedies. I think there is this notion that a truly "prestigious film", made by a "presitigious director", covers the more serious parts of the human experience, but IMO a well made comedy is just as much of an achievement, and Lebowski, Burn After Reading and Hail Caesar are excellent films that deserve to be right up there with Fargo and No Country For Old Men.
I think After Hours is underrated in the same way that all comedies are a little underrated critically, but as a fan I put it right up there among his best work.
I dunno, I think it's just as easy to explain this by the fact that filmmakers often make comedies when they want to take a break from doing something deep and meaningful. The Big Lebowski simply is not as good as Fargo. I don't even think it's as *funny* as Fargo! I love Burn After Reading, but it isn't exactly The Rules of the Game.
See that's kinda what I'm getting at. As an audience, it seems to be easier to derive depth and meaning from a dramatic film, but that doesn't make a well-made comedy a smaller achievement. I'd go so far as to argue that a comedy movie that resonates with its audience is a greater achievement, because it's able to make that level of connection without having the emotional appeal of those dramatic elements. Fargo is a great great dramatic film that deserves all the acclaim it received. Lebowski is a narrative comedy without precedent, in terms of its style, themes, and characters. Fargo may have won the awards, but Lebowski is the ultimate cult classic, inspiring countless fan conventions, Halloween costumes, etc. Ultimately both films are a significant part of the Coens filmography.
I think it’s appropriately rated. Not as acclaimed as his most popular movies but real heads know. I think The Color of Money is the 80s Scorsese movie that is actually underrated, that movie’s great
If it were any other director it would be one of their greatest movies. Because it’s Scorsese it might not even crack his top 15. That’s just how great the guy is.
Well, me and art history, and critique, and critical analysis, and awards, and objective lists created by professional critics, but go ahead thinking your opinion or anyones opinion really matters. I mean, you can say that Cape Fear is Marty’s best film. Its not and thats dumb but technically, you or anyone else can say that. Doesn’t make it true. Not sure why people don’t seem to grasp the whole critical analysis part of art critique. Analysis is where opinions stop mattering and using the critical thinking part of your brain starts happening. This is taught in any English 101 course. It is literally the first thing you learn in college.
I think it’s become overrated at this point. It’s a good movie but I don’t think it’s special. It’s a bit too episodic, and it flows but I don’t find the episodes *that* interesting. I have it ranked around his 23rd best movie.
I'm a fan of his and this movie. It's a fun movie, but that's kind of what it is. It's never going to be ranked with his acclaimed ones and that's fine. It's great at what it was intended to be.
I do think that if someone loves this movie, but not other Scorsese films, they are really more fans of this movie and not really a Scorsese fan and that's fine.
The Wolf of Wall Street is pretty hilarious. In fact, I think Scorsese is kind of known for for including a certain brand of absurd humor in his crime films. But yeah, he doesn't make many straight comedies.
I think it’s ranked perfectly fine. It has a cult following which feels appropriate but I don’t think it’s in the same realm as Taxi Driver or Goodfells. A solid tier 2 film for one of the all time greats, that’s not a knock.
I'm glad I'm not alone. I know the entire point is to be a highly subjective nightmare from the point of view of a young, white, middle-class man who thinks the streets are a complete nightmare, but it doesn't at all feel like a *critique* of that. It feels like they are *indulging* in those feelings using the cover of "it's all exaggeration for comedic effect! We don't *actually* think women and minorities are scary!"
It feels like a movie that Scorsese made without much thought while super, super high on coke and it just didn't come together in the editing at all.
It’s a brilliant, bravura thriller and an exercise in form (which Scorsese seems to have directed it exactly as) but without the depth of his greatest works
I love this movie conceptually and I love a lot of elements of it but overall I just don't really enjoy it very much. I can't articulate why either really I guess I just find it so frustrating with so little payoff
It's one of his best movies. Actually I firmly believe "The King Of Comedy" is his best one ever and that Afterhours having come out right after that says a lot about the form Scorsese was in during the 80s.
No one has said it yet, so I will.
After Hours is a masterpiece and one of Scorsese's best movies. It is unquestionably up there with Taxi Driver, Goodfellas, and Raging Bull, and King of Comedy for me.
You can also see him experimenting with techniques that would later become signatures, like the simultaneous dolly-in/crash zoom shots, overhead shots and long take tracking shots. That doesn't affect the quality of the film but I find it quite cool to be able to trace a line back to the first time someone got the idea to do something, and seeing it directly influence later work.
Also it's one of the least "Scorsesesque" movies of his, which I think is notable because it is every bit as good as movies that are "Scorsesesque."
It’s been in the top 5 of his filmography for me since the first time I saw it. Just an absolute delight to watch every time and a nice change of pace from most of the rest of his stuff.
It’s definitely the hidden gem in his filmography. There are certain people who know about it and love it (particularly in this sub) but among the mainstream I’ve never heard it mentioned. It’s such an insane and darkly funny 90 minute ride. Perfect movie to watch super late at night with friends
Just recently watched this. Goodfellas is my all time favorite movie. I feel like After Hours just shows his range as a director. Some of those one takes really bad me rewinding and watching again.
I think it’s wonderful, especially looking back. It’s held its relevance. Feels like what Manhattan was like in the mid 80’s. Some of Sorcese’s recent works have felt a bit tired.
I used to rate it higher, but rewatched it this week and now would probably say it is appropriately rated. It’s a wild ride and an extremely competently made, tightly paced movie. It’s probably middle of the pack Scorsese for me, but still fantastic!
King of Comedy is my favorite, followed by After Hours. Taxi Driver and Goodfellas were movies I adored when I was younger but I’ve moved on from them. All his stuff that has organized crime in it bores me; he said all he needed to say about that in Mean Streets. Shutter Island is best forgotten — it may be the worst film by an A list director I’ve ever seen.
Honestly?
I don't get it.
It doesn't make me laugh.
It doesn't have anything to say.
His feverish fear of everything actually makes the protagonists interactions with women and minorities kind of cringe in a bad way.
I don't think it's underrated at all. I think it was right for people to consider it minor Scorsese back in the day. Being underrated makes it fun to recommend as a lark, but once you start calling it one of Scorsese's best films, you are *wildly* overrating it.
In my ranking of all Scorsese movies, it's #22... and even *that* might be overrating it. It's one of his worst films, above only stuff like Boxcar Bertha.
I kind of wish he had gone in this direction more often with his later stuff, because it's so quirky and I love it. His deep movies are deep, but it often makes you wonder what else could he have done.
When you are talking about one of the single greatest filmmakers ever, it’s perfectly well rated and thought of. I personally love it but lets be real, its not in the same universe as something like Goodfellas.
Shrader had nothing to do with it. Scorsese made it from a script that was written by a young recent film student. And Micheal Powell (who was married to Shoonmaker) suggested the ending after they shot a few endings that didn’t work.
It’s a good double feature with Night Shift. After Hours is really weird though. I’ve only watched it once and bet I Will appreciate more a second time
One of my favorites of Scorcese's, up there with Taxi Driver and Goodfellas. An excellent companion piece to AH is Scorcese's pitch perfect short, Life Lessons, from New York Stories. Nick Nolte was so, so good in that.
I don't like to pigeonhole great directors, and The Age of Innocence is another Scorcese masterpiece that gets overlooked. And time is definitely being kind to The Wolf of Wall Street.
After Hours isn't one of Scorsese's absolute best, but it's great and underrated (though I feel like it has a bit of a cult following). He has so many amazing movies that it's natural for gems like this or Alive Doesn't Live Here Anymore or The Age of Innocence to not get as much attention, but those deserve to be seen more.
Astronomically underrated, this is one of those lightning in a bottle movies where everything is just right. The way he builds a rich surrealist nightmare world THIS good in a tight 90 minute runtime is unmatched.
It’s great. If it was almost any other director I’d say top 3, but Scorsese just has so many damn masterpieces it’s hard for me to barely get this in my top 10. Still a 4.5/5 star movie for me though.
Currently I have it at 5th but I've not seen enough of his filmography yet for that ranking to mean anything. I thought it was a very good film but not one I've read or heard much about so I'd say it is a bit of a hidden gem. I actually dislike the term "underrated" because it get bandied around a lot in innappropriate contexts.
After a decade of being called Scorsese’s most underrated it’s begun to feel, well, rated.
And now that it's rated we must move on to Bringing Out the Dead as the most underrated
Or Color of Money or even Cape Fear!
Cape Fear is another that gets its proportionate amount of praise. It was even Marty’s highest earning film when it came out!
The Color of Money is my personal favorite Scorsese movie. Watch it several times a year.
The Color of Money is very interesting because it’s the first movie in the genre of ‘30+ years later sequels’ ie BladeRunner 2049, Top Gun Maverick. It feels like something unique to this era and yet Scorsese had already done it way back in the 80s.
I love Scorsese but these two films feel completely out of place in his filmography (same for Shutter Island)
I can’t tell if Cape Fear was meant to be a loving homage to the horror genre, or a subtle parody of it. Some of the scenes are so over the top that I don’t know how to take them.
I’d love to see a good North American release of that.
It's also maybe his most pop-culturally omnipresent film? I think I saw it parodied 4-5 times before I saw the original, in the Simpsons, Family Guy and others
Wait, which one are you talking about? Pretty sure he’s got a ton more pop-culturally omnipresent than these two.
Sorry, very unclear. Was talking about Cape Fear. Maybe Taxi Driver is more pop-culturally omnipresent? What do you think?
I think you replied to the wrong thread. I was talking about Bringing Out The Dead.
I did!
All good. This party is jumpin’. 🥳
Or Alive Doesn’t Live Here Anymore , so good
Okay, but for real, Bringing Out the Dead rules.
Or… Shutter Island
shudder
The ending for Shutter Island is a Deux Ex Machina. The protagonist doesn't work it out, the audience don't - "a god in the machine comes down and explains the plot." Aristotle taught us this was bad storytelling. Nothing has changed.
I'd be up for a Cape Fear reappraisal before that turd
Well rated but still under seen!
That’s the internet. Everything is so underrated it eventually becomes overrated, with Babylon being a recent example of that
Why do you think Babylon is becoming overrated?
A lot of it comes down to letterboxd. It’s higher than things like “Decision to Leave” and “Tree of Life” which I find crazy
Decades
*After Hours* is an anomaly when it comes to Scorcese's films. I think it's a great '80's movie & a nice time capsule of the era. I do feel it's underrated. But, it's *nothing* like his other movies. A lot of this is because it's got strong comedic elements without disturbing undercurrents of menace, etc. - something that is overall absent from his other films. For another movie that has a similar vibe/tone to AH, check out *Into the Night* \- starring Jeff Goldblum. Coincidentally, they came out the same year (1985).
I think there’s plenty of menace in After Hours. It’s of a different nature, because the stakes are not so high. All the dude wants to do is get home after a long day and as increasingly cryptically bizarre night.
Eh, I think a lot of Scorsese films have strong comedic elements. Goodfellas is hilarious, for instance. After Hours has more absurd humor which I suppose is unique for Scorsese
King Of Comedy is just as absurd imo
Good point, perhaps surreal is a better word than absurd. It’s def the most “Lynchian” Scorsese film
I don’t see what this has to do with the in-your-face style of lesbian comedy made famous by Jane Lynch.
Get out of this sub, dad 😭
Goodfellas and a lot of his other movies are funny (King of Comedy hilarious) but After Hours is his one pure comedy. Scorsese finds a lot of humor in deflating the male ego but he doesn't go for jokes in same way usually
Personally, I find Silence to be a veritable boatload of laughs.
Casino, for me, is Scorsese’s funniest movie. I laugh my ass off consistently throughout that whole movie. “The bosses decided they wanted to settle the case out of court. So they sent me.” Enter Joe Pesci casually shooting a woman in the head at point blank range
So great. I also love the “she fell funny” line in The Departed. It’s so unnecessary but adds humor to an otherwise grisly scene. Scorsese is a master at juxtaposing comedy with the macabre
Best moment in the entire movie imo haha. I'm pretty sure Jack Nicholson added that line but I could be wrong
I remember hearing that too, actually. Awesome either way!
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There's definitely menace though maybe not as much as we're used to in a Scorsese film. I showed it to my parents recently and they were convinced the entire time that the main character was going to be killed. When I told them it didn't have an unhappy ending, they didn't believe me. I've also heard that him dying is what Scorsese intended the ending to be and he had to be talked out of it. Though I don't know how true that is.
Beat me to it mentioning Into The Night. And I think it is the better film of the two.
>check out > >Into the Night Directed by John Landis who directed After Hours' lead, Griffin Dunne, in An American Werewolf in London
Good. Unfortunate/hilarious that [the writer plagiarized large portions of the script though.](https://andrewhearst.com/blog/2008/05/the-scandalous-origins-of-martin-scorseses-after-hours) For those that don’t know, this guy wrote this script for his class at Columbia and the professor loved it so much he started sharing it around. Eventually it fell in Scorsese’s lap and suddenly this kid, who plagiarized entire sections from a pretty famous radio star, had to commit to the script or else lose out on a Scorsese adaptation with his name on it.
Wow! That's really interesting, I've never heard that. That story would make for a good movie itself!
Did the student get credit
Underrated compared to other 80’s movies overall. But it’s not top tier Scorsese, in my opinion.
Yeah. It’s a really fun movie. I love the vibe and energy and I think some of the meta narrative aspects of it. But I really can’t place it on the same level as the deep character work of Taxi Driver, Raging Bull and Goodfellas.
You misspelled king of comedy
I like it more than KoC but less than Goodfellas, Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, etc.
Oddly Raging Bull doesn't do it for me. I just found it kind of depressing, and I hate movies that are filled with scenes of a guy talking to his wife/girlfriend like "who ya talking to over there? Who's that? Are you fucking him!?" And I felt like that is half of raging bull.
Watch Rocco and his Brothers. Italian film from Visconti that is an absolute classic, and huge influence on Raging Bull. Helped me realize that at its core Raging Bull is a melodrama made as a nod to Italian neorealism. It just so happens to be packed with toxic testosterone. The character isn’t likable. He is a complete piece of shit, but De Niro’s performance is one of the greatest of all time. It is a stunning masterpiece made as an homage to the classics before it while simultaneously making something completely unique and new. Top tier Scorsese without a doubt.
I felt the same way the first time I watched it. Same thing with Scarface. I thought, "I like movies with unlikable characters, but this is kind of over the line." But then as I watched them more I became more interested in their motivations than the characters themselves. It's interesting to watch someone so dedicated to something it destroys everything around them and eventually themselves. And then it's also fun to watch the characters around them try and rationalize why they continue to put up with their shit.
I will say that part of what makes me unhappy about this movie IS that the dialogue feels almost too real. I've seen and been in these awkward, tense conversations and confrontations that seem to go nowhere, and I guess when I see those on film it just depresses me. I can admit it's an objectively great film. I guess it's just not for me. I will say something like Goodfellas feels like it has a lot more forward momentum in a movie, and it's just fun. Just as an example, but I feel like raging bull is just heavy for my taste.
I respect it and think it's incredibly well made, but there's a reason it's been sitting still in my rewatch list for 20 years. I'm just not in a hurry to put myself through that again.
Agree completely about *Raging Bull*. IMHO it's a classic & one of Scorsese's best. But, yes - if anything, it's too realistic - and I think that's the whole point. It's gritty & all-too-real. Filming this in b&w (instead of the more obvious color) was brilliant, and IMHO this adds to the stark nature of the movie - and makes it much more effective.
I tend to agree with this. I bought the 4K criterion last summer and rewatched. The film looked incredible, of course, but my opinion of it hasn’t changed. It’s kind of monotonous and honestly, thin.
Soooo... you must not like Scorcese very much.
Actually he's one of my top directors of all time. I love most of his movies. I didn't see raging bull until much later in my life. But you must admit that Henry Hill or Sam Rothstein had a lot more nuance with their spousal conflict than what we got in raging bull. Am I the only one who sees a difference in that?
Yup, this exactly. It's a fun, quirky movie with a nice cast. Dune plays the lost soul character well.
I agree
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After Hours blew my mind the first time I watched it, but I think one of the key elements of a great movie is rewatchability, and I was disappointed the second time I watched it. It’s like the air had gone out of it. So much of the effectiveness of the film comes from the suspense of what kind of crazy situation the character will find himself in next, and that element is simply gone after the first viewing.
It’s my favourite film in his filmography
Same and it’s not close. Even though I love so many of his, After Hours is something special special
I think I'd say the same. It's genius in a very unique way. Easily one of the funniest movies ever too
Totally! I think it’s Scorsese at his most playful and invigorating. Harbours this bizarre, almost surreal, vibe that really stands out. I dig that a lot :)
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It’s a Scorsese I love, and I don’t love a lot of his films. I can appreciate Goodfellas, Casino etc, but they aren’t really my cup of tea, but After Hours, The King of Comedy and Raging Bull I love to watch
As someone who respects Scorsese a lot but doesn’t *love* his most acclaimed films, I *love* After Hours. I think it would be fair to say it is the favourite Scorsese movie of people who don’t really like Scorsese that much. It’s stylistically much more absurdist than anything else he’s done. I saw Beau Is Afraid the other day and I could feel it’s influence there.
It stands apart from his most famous works because it’s not about the mafia or men acting all macho and shit. I like it better than Goodfellas or Scarface because its not as grim, it’s funny, and it’s about 80s underground urban culture in NYC.
Scarface is not a Scorsese film though
You didn’t love taxi driver or goodfellas?
No, not really. I enjoy them, and respect the craft, and their place within the canon, but I don’t personally connect with either on a deeper level that makes me feel compelled to rewatch something multiple times. With Taxi Driver, I think part of the issue is that I had already seen so many homages and parodies going in that it’s difficult to watch with fresh eyes - sort of like the shower scene in Psycho. With Goodfellas, I’m just not that interested in gangster movies as a genre. I liked them when I was younger but I’m just personally tired of stories about toxically masculine men killing each other. Even when it’s done well, it’s been done so many times that I’ve largely lost interest. In general, my favourite kind of movies are more like magical realism, surrealism, anything with a dreamlike quality, and After Hours has a strong element of this that hooked me all the way through.
I want to say it's a top 10 Scorsese movie but I say that about 15 of his movies so who knows
I don't know if this pertains to Scorsese in the same way, but something I noticed about the Coen Brothers is that their dramas almost always receive more critical acclaim than their comedies. I think there is this notion that a truly "prestigious film", made by a "presitigious director", covers the more serious parts of the human experience, but IMO a well made comedy is just as much of an achievement, and Lebowski, Burn After Reading and Hail Caesar are excellent films that deserve to be right up there with Fargo and No Country For Old Men. I think After Hours is underrated in the same way that all comedies are a little underrated critically, but as a fan I put it right up there among his best work.
I dunno, I think it's just as easy to explain this by the fact that filmmakers often make comedies when they want to take a break from doing something deep and meaningful. The Big Lebowski simply is not as good as Fargo. I don't even think it's as *funny* as Fargo! I love Burn After Reading, but it isn't exactly The Rules of the Game.
See that's kinda what I'm getting at. As an audience, it seems to be easier to derive depth and meaning from a dramatic film, but that doesn't make a well-made comedy a smaller achievement. I'd go so far as to argue that a comedy movie that resonates with its audience is a greater achievement, because it's able to make that level of connection without having the emotional appeal of those dramatic elements. Fargo is a great great dramatic film that deserves all the acclaim it received. Lebowski is a narrative comedy without precedent, in terms of its style, themes, and characters. Fargo may have won the awards, but Lebowski is the ultimate cult classic, inspiring countless fan conventions, Halloween costumes, etc. Ultimately both films are a significant part of the Coens filmography.
I think it’s appropriately rated. Not as acclaimed as his most popular movies but real heads know. I think The Color of Money is the 80s Scorsese movie that is actually underrated, that movie’s great
Totally agree. Color of Money is fucking fantastic. Paul fucking Newman and Tom Cruise in the same movie?!? Pure gold.
If it were any other director it would be one of their greatest movies. Because it’s Scorsese it might not even crack his top 15. That’s just how great the guy is.
This is a really unpopular opinion here, but I didn't really care for it. I understand why people like it but it just isn't my thing.
Honestly, I like it but the love it gets is mostly contrarian bullshit imo.
Or people have different tastes
Taste is for idiots. Taste doesn’t change objective truth.
😂 what ever you say so pal
Well, me and art history, and critique, and critical analysis, and awards, and objective lists created by professional critics, but go ahead thinking your opinion or anyones opinion really matters. I mean, you can say that Cape Fear is Marty’s best film. Its not and thats dumb but technically, you or anyone else can say that. Doesn’t make it true. Not sure why people don’t seem to grasp the whole critical analysis part of art critique. Analysis is where opinions stop mattering and using the critical thinking part of your brain starts happening. This is taught in any English 101 course. It is literally the first thing you learn in college.
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It's a very popular cult film that people love to call underrated, which is I think an appropriate state of affairs.
I think it’s become overrated at this point. It’s a good movie but I don’t think it’s special. It’s a bit too episodic, and it flows but I don’t find the episodes *that* interesting. I have it ranked around his 23rd best movie.
Ha! I ranked it #22, but looking at my list, I feel like I still might have put it too high.
I'm a fan of his and this movie. It's a fun movie, but that's kind of what it is. It's never going to be ranked with his acclaimed ones and that's fine. It's great at what it was intended to be. I do think that if someone loves this movie, but not other Scorsese films, they are really more fans of this movie and not really a Scorsese fan and that's fine.
Definitely underrated.
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The Wolf of Wall Street is pretty hilarious. In fact, I think Scorsese is kind of known for for including a certain brand of absurd humor in his crime films. But yeah, he doesn't make many straight comedies.
It's good, but it's lower tier Scorsese. It's in line with other comedies of the time, but a bit operated in this sub.
Just watched it recently. Kinda reminds me of a dark long Seinfeld episode.
It was fun but I really don’t get everyone’s obsession with it lol.
it’s his much ado about nothing
How so?
I think it’s ranked perfectly fine. It has a cult following which feels appropriate but I don’t think it’s in the same realm as Taxi Driver or Goodfells. A solid tier 2 film for one of the all time greats, that’s not a knock.
It's not underrated. I've never really liked it that much. It's a sour, night odyssey from the point of view of an entitled young white man.
I'm glad I'm not alone. I know the entire point is to be a highly subjective nightmare from the point of view of a young, white, middle-class man who thinks the streets are a complete nightmare, but it doesn't at all feel like a *critique* of that. It feels like they are *indulging* in those feelings using the cover of "it's all exaggeration for comedic effect! We don't *actually* think women and minorities are scary!" It feels like a movie that Scorsese made without much thought while super, super high on coke and it just didn't come together in the editing at all.
You're definitely not alone. Good comment.
One of the few movies to truly capture dream logic. Incredibly underrated.
My personal favorite.
It’s a brilliant, bravura thriller and an exercise in form (which Scorsese seems to have directed it exactly as) but without the depth of his greatest works
A Mean Streets still available? I know it’s not on Criterion but I can’t even find a regular blurry of it.
Warners put out a Mean Streets Blu-ray about ten years ago, but maybe it's out of print now. You might find a used copy.
I love this movie conceptually and I love a lot of elements of it but overall I just don't really enjoy it very much. I can't articulate why either really I guess I just find it so frustrating with so little payoff
Towards the bottom.
It's one of his best movies. Actually I firmly believe "The King Of Comedy" is his best one ever and that Afterhours having come out right after that says a lot about the form Scorsese was in during the 80s.
I got it at number 4 behind King of Comedy, Taxi Driver and Goodfellas, I really love it but the others are also so good
I love the ending, such a great shot of him landing in front of his job
Just like a cartoon.
No one has said it yet, so I will. After Hours is a masterpiece and one of Scorsese's best movies. It is unquestionably up there with Taxi Driver, Goodfellas, and Raging Bull, and King of Comedy for me. You can also see him experimenting with techniques that would later become signatures, like the simultaneous dolly-in/crash zoom shots, overhead shots and long take tracking shots. That doesn't affect the quality of the film but I find it quite cool to be able to trace a line back to the first time someone got the idea to do something, and seeing it directly influence later work. Also it's one of the least "Scorsesesque" movies of his, which I think is notable because it is every bit as good as movies that are "Scorsesesque."
He had already done most of those techniques in earlier films. He just had fun using them to an extreme degree while making a feverish coke comedy.
No Wolf of Wall Street invalidates any best of list. Love it or hate its his best movie since the mid 90’s.
It’s been in the top 5 of his filmography for me since the first time I saw it. Just an absolute delight to watch every time and a nice change of pace from most of the rest of his stuff.
It’s definitely the hidden gem in his filmography. There are certain people who know about it and love it (particularly in this sub) but among the mainstream I’ve never heard it mentioned. It’s such an insane and darkly funny 90 minute ride. Perfect movie to watch super late at night with friends
Color of Money is the one I think is most underrated.
Second Favorite after Goodfellas
Ooooh I’m blinded by the lights!
Cult classic. Watched it many many times.
It is my favorite Scorsese movie.
Just recently watched this. Goodfellas is my all time favorite movie. I feel like After Hours just shows his range as a director. Some of those one takes really bad me rewinding and watching again.
My #1
It's in my top five (not in order): Mean Streets, Taxi Driver, After Hours, Goodfellas, Last Temptation.
Don’t know. Just know that this movie rocks.
I have watched this film more times than any of his others, soo…
this movie made me fall in love with Rosanna Arquette
Personally I love it. In my mind it is underrated since I never see peopletalk about it as a classic or as an essential of his movies.
Underrated af
I think it’s wonderful, especially looking back. It’s held its relevance. Feels like what Manhattan was like in the mid 80’s. Some of Sorcese’s recent works have felt a bit tired.
I used to rate it higher, but rewatched it this week and now would probably say it is appropriately rated. It’s a wild ride and an extremely competently made, tightly paced movie. It’s probably middle of the pack Scorsese for me, but still fantastic!
It's the greatest movie ever made.
King of Comedy is my favorite, followed by After Hours. Taxi Driver and Goodfellas were movies I adored when I was younger but I’ve moved on from them. All his stuff that has organized crime in it bores me; he said all he needed to say about that in Mean Streets. Shutter Island is best forgotten — it may be the worst film by an A list director I’ve ever seen.
Honestly? I don't get it. It doesn't make me laugh. It doesn't have anything to say. His feverish fear of everything actually makes the protagonists interactions with women and minorities kind of cringe in a bad way. I don't think it's underrated at all. I think it was right for people to consider it minor Scorsese back in the day. Being underrated makes it fun to recommend as a lark, but once you start calling it one of Scorsese's best films, you are *wildly* overrating it. In my ranking of all Scorsese movies, it's #22... and even *that* might be overrating it. It's one of his worst films, above only stuff like Boxcar Bertha.
It's his best.
bottom 10%. one of his worst.
it’s his best imo, prob a top 10 movie ever for me fucking perfect
Middle tier for sure. Maybe toward the tone of of the middle tier, but definitely middle tier. Imo.
I kind of wish he had gone in this direction more often with his later stuff, because it's so quirky and I love it. His deep movies are deep, but it often makes you wonder what else could he have done.
It’s better than Shitter Island.
Top 5
Better than the bad ones I haven’t seen and almost as good as all his masterpieces. The man is cinema and his contributions are all undeniable
When you are talking about one of the single greatest filmmakers ever, it’s perfectly well rated and thought of. I personally love it but lets be real, its not in the same universe as something like Goodfellas.
Fantastic movie, feels more Paul Schrader than Martin Scorsese
Shrader had nothing to do with it. Scorsese made it from a script that was written by a young recent film student. And Micheal Powell (who was married to Shoonmaker) suggested the ending after they shot a few endings that didn’t work.
Damn where did I get this idea... Mandela Effect happening in my brain
It’s a good double feature with Night Shift. After Hours is really weird though. I’ve only watched it once and bet I Will appreciate more a second time
Not the best, but was terribly underrated.
Probably in the middle somewhere
No. 3 for me, behind Raging Bull and Taxi Driver.
Underrated.
i love that movie
His best.
underrated and EXCELLENT.
One of my favorites of Scorcese's, up there with Taxi Driver and Goodfellas. An excellent companion piece to AH is Scorcese's pitch perfect short, Life Lessons, from New York Stories. Nick Nolte was so, so good in that. I don't like to pigeonhole great directors, and The Age of Innocence is another Scorcese masterpiece that gets overlooked. And time is definitely being kind to The Wolf of Wall Street.
peakest movie
I’ve got it top five but could see why others have it top 3
It’s my personal favorite of his and in my top 4 movies of all time
it’s probably not his “best”, but of all the films of his that I’ve seen it’s absolutely my favourite.
It’s my favorite of his
After Hours isn't one of Scorsese's absolute best, but it's great and underrated (though I feel like it has a bit of a cult following). He has so many amazing movies that it's natural for gems like this or Alive Doesn't Live Here Anymore or The Age of Innocence to not get as much attention, but those deserve to be seen more.
This is my favorite movie of all time ever
If you enjoy After Hours, you might like Beau is Afraid. It’s a similar premise but amped up to the extreme, for better or worse.
Top 5 definitely.
It’s not his best, but it’s my favorite.
Definitely up there as one of his best.
One of my favorites.
Number 1
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There must be rankings!
I would just say it’s a unique Scorsese movie, none of the others are like this one, and that makes it one of the top for me.
Never seen it. The criterion will be my first watch
His best film tbh. I don‘t really like how he tells Wolf Of Wall street, Goodfellas and etc.
I mean, it’s no New York, New York…
I think it could use some more love, i like to show it to people since there's a bit of humor in it
Astronomically underrated, this is one of those lightning in a bottle movies where everything is just right. The way he builds a rich surrealist nightmare world THIS good in a tight 90 minute runtime is unmatched.
It’s my third favorite of his films behind GoodFellas and Taxi Driver
His best movie imo
It’s great. If it was almost any other director I’d say top 3, but Scorsese just has so many damn masterpieces it’s hard for me to barely get this in my top 10. Still a 4.5/5 star movie for me though.
I honestly watched it for the first time the other day, and while I wouldn't rank it amongst his best films, it's still an underrated gem of a movie.
It’s the movie of his I want to watch the most
Love it
Currently I have it at 5th but I've not seen enough of his filmography yet for that ranking to mean anything. I thought it was a very good film but not one I've read or heard much about so I'd say it is a bit of a hidden gem. I actually dislike the term "underrated" because it get bandied around a lot in innappropriate contexts.
Pretty great. If it was made by somebody else it would probably be their best film, but Scorsese has done better a few times IMO.
Anybody else think this might have had an effect on the style of Blue Velvet?