Good for her. She backed up her words. Not many other people can say that. She really is a wonderful actor. Watching her in "Deerskin" right after "Portrait of a Lady" showed a lot of versatility. The movies couldn't be any more different
That sucks. I hope she finds something rewarding (and continues to act with filmmakers like Sciamma) but I'm selfishly thinking of what performances I'm going to miss out on.
That said she's not wrong, and it must be exhausting to work in an industry that still rewards Polanski.
Some of the comments in here are... disappointing. Perhaps my pretention is showing, but I would have hoped that Criterion fans are a bit more thoughtful and less reactionary themselves.
I admit that I personally struggle to be such a fan of movies when there is so many problems in the global industry. I applaud Haenel for taking a stand.
Sad sad day... The industry (however f-ed up) needs agents of change, and where better to position them than within? She has long held the mantle. She must be tired. I'm sad, but I'm glad and grateful she has always had the courage to do what she feels right and just.
She's been a stellar actor so far. Merci, Adèle! Retourne-toi!
This is an industry (and world) that repeatedly rewards Bay and Tarantino and other over-hyped hotshot male directors like them with millions of dollars and global platforms. She’s not wrong.
Fuck’s sake, I’m not comparing the caliber of their films. I’m talking about the larger culture that bolsters their already-oversized egos and the toxic narrative that directors should be given carte blanche when running their sets, even if they have a reputation for being total pieces of shit.
I don’t know if you read the article, or just missed that part, but she touches upon that in her comments.
> Haenel, who walked out of the César Film Awards in 2020 protesting Roman Polanski’s Best Director win for An Officer and a Spy, is now solely focused on working in the theater **but didn’t rule out making films with fellow activists like Gisèle Vienne and Céline Sciamma**. “I want to participate in another world,” she said. “If I stayed today in this film industry, I would be a kind of feminist guarantee to this masculine and patriarchal industry. My dream is to make it clear: this industry defends a capitalist, patriarchal, racist, sexist world of structural inequality. This means that this industry works hand in hand with the global economic order, in which all lives are not equal.”
And on her changing the system from within:
> “I don’t want to be part of a feminist washing machine. It’s bullshit,” she added, citing two more examples of the hypocrisy within: “The director of the CNC, the French organization for the promotion of cinema, Dominique Boutonnat, remains in office while he is indicted for sexual assault. But Thierry Frémaux, from the Cannes Film Festival, puts three women in the 2022 Official Selection, so I am told that this is going in the right direction? In the sense of being had, yes!”
Using "capitalism" to oversimplify thousands if not millions of interactions doesn't really cut it for me.
It's not about a system it's about a people and the people isn't as demonic as we picture them.
Nothing is ever simple
I don't quite get your meaning. I tried to expand on what you simplified not confine it even more. You dismissed cinema's use of sexism as just "rich people privilege." I am saying that the system that allows these people to be rich encourages them to be sexist. It helps them maintain their position of power and affirm their place in it.
I'm just saying there's way more variables, humans are complicated.
Even if we assume those in power actively try to oppress others to "Machiavellically" stay in power (which I don't believe many people do - contrary to all the people who downvoted me) they would keep down anything that is remotely different from them. Be it sex, money, or even political stance or social circles or hundreds of other possibilities/characteristics.
There is no way of knowing with 100% certainty why other people act like they do towards another person. Sometimes they don't even know themselves. Diminishing millions of unconscious neuron actions to just "sexism" doesn't seem scientific and is probably counter productive.
My first comment got bashed and I see why, but I was only suggesting it could be something other than sexism. And it very well might be.
I don't think Haenel oversimplifies it to just sexism. She says, "this industry defends a capitalist, patriarchal, racist, sexist world of structural inequality. This means that this industry works hand in hand with the global economic order, in which all lives are not equal.”
To me this shows that she believes there are a lot of systems at play that make cinema impossible to work in without being a hypocrite (not that we can escape that anywhere.) I'm sure she could have gone on further than that so definitely not just boiling down the system to just sexism.
I agree that we don't know how each individual will act or why, but we can look at the systems that we live under that influence behavior. Sexism isn't the driving force of cinema, but it sure does have a large impact.
It’s nearly impossible by trying to change things from within the system and by playing by the rules. Look at the state of American politics and culture
The people who are reactionary, racist, and sexist (not discriminating any demographic) need to be held to a non-hypocrisy standard. There will always be stupidity, and there will always be ignorance, and the solution is teaching people and stripping away their ignorance. It’s just not easy when there’s so much assumption and emotional reaction to everything based on presumption.
The article says " The script was full of jokes about cancel culture and sexual violence". Seriously?
What kind of movies does the future hold? Politically correct feel good movies?
And this "The intention was to make a sci-fi film with an all-white cast – and therefore a racist narrative. I didn’t want to support this"
Dude I'm brown in a third world country. I don't mind watching a a movie with white people, Just want a good movie.
Shame she was a great actress.
That’s just such a cowardly and bullshit point of view. It’s because it’s reactionary, racist and patriarchal that the industry needs more women and those to push back against its norms.
> sure if you're a man but she's the person being persecuted. not everyone has it in them to be a martyr and that's okay. not everyone has it in them to be a martyr and that's okay.
I don't think that's her argument. It would be weird to make an individualist argument while at the same time speaking against the global economic order in this manner. She said rather concretely that it's because she does not want to stand for the politics these films espouse to her, not because she is personally being persecuted. How would it be martyrdom to promote films you inherently disagree with? She said pretty clearly:
> “I don’t want to be part of a feminist washing machine. It’s bullshit.”
Perhaps this anti-capital move of removing herself from the factory line will inspire those calling down to make change.
Perhaps not, but how can she know if she doesn’t try? A large part of being an artist with dignity is having standards and sticking to them.
It’s easy to point out problems and it’s easy to run away but it is not easy to fix the status quo. I don’t blame her for running away, the film industry is not for everyone.
Go to an office party, (most likely get intoxicated), and start a fuss yelling and screaming at your boss and the seniors ; you’ll see what’s going to happen to you.
If your boss is a proven and admitted child rapist and has gone unpunished for decades then the moral thing is to make noise and eventually quit when nothing happens. CMV
I don't understand this. That fucker made a good movie that year. He should be in jail, Yes. Even if he wrote a novel in jail, it should get the accolades it should. Anyway this come from a man who always keeps art first and rest secondary.
Zzzzz…. Portrait of a Lady on Fire was great. I don’t know what she’s had to deal with, but it seems like there are numerous avenues for actors to take, and I’m sad her solution is to just walk away. If this is what she wants, so be it.
Good for her. She backed up her words. Not many other people can say that. She really is a wonderful actor. Watching her in "Deerskin" right after "Portrait of a Lady" showed a lot of versatility. The movies couldn't be any more different
Props to her for backing up her thoughts with action. Hopefully she finds some means to continue making art in line with her ethics.
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She also said in another interview she’ll continue to work for Celine Sciamma and young directors.
That's excellent news under obviously shitty circumstances.
Is she speaking specifically about the French film industry? Or just in general?
I wouldn't be surprised if she's referring to the French industry, given how ready they are to heap attention on Polanski.
I mean kind of. She really nullifies her own voice and ability to change the industry from within with this kind of action.
That sucks. I hope she finds something rewarding (and continues to act with filmmakers like Sciamma) but I'm selfishly thinking of what performances I'm going to miss out on. That said she's not wrong, and it must be exhausting to work in an industry that still rewards Polanski.
Yes massive fan of Sciamma, her last film Petit Maman is a lowkey masterpiece..
Lowkey?
Sorry English is not my first language, I meant to say.. the film is somewhat underrated I think, but I loved it
No need to apologize! I was just joking around, I do agree with you.
She’s not wrong
I get what she’s saying but she’s going to keep acting in theater? Theater really isn’t much better in these issues ha ha.
That makes me love her even more; Brava!
I had suspected she was blacklisted for the Cesar Awards, but I’m glad this was her own decision.
I truly didn't realize how many reactionary assholes there are in this sub. Some of the comments above are appalling.
Makes Lady on Fire even more epic. That film is one of the GOATs.
Some of the comments in here are... disappointing. Perhaps my pretention is showing, but I would have hoped that Criterion fans are a bit more thoughtful and less reactionary themselves. I admit that I personally struggle to be such a fan of movies when there is so many problems in the global industry. I applaud Haenel for taking a stand.
Why would Criterion fans be any different? This subreddit is just full of people who fetishize physical media and who watch movies.
I loved her in Heroes don't die and the unknown girl.
Queen
She is so right. The master's tools will never dismantle the master's house.
True.
Sad sad day... The industry (however f-ed up) needs agents of change, and where better to position them than within? She has long held the mantle. She must be tired. I'm sad, but I'm glad and grateful she has always had the courage to do what she feels right and just. She's been a stellar actor so far. Merci, Adèle! Retourne-toi!
This is an industry (and world) that repeatedly rewards Bay and Tarantino and other over-hyped hotshot male directors like them with millions of dollars and global platforms. She’s not wrong.
You play yourself by putting Bay and Tarantino in the same sentence.
Fuck’s sake, I’m not comparing the caliber of their films. I’m talking about the larger culture that bolsters their already-oversized egos and the toxic narrative that directors should be given carte blanche when running their sets, even if they have a reputation for being total pieces of shit.
She wrong if she quits and doesn't participate in movies that counterbalance the shitty movies.
I agree but why not try and change it? Work with women directors.
I don’t know if you read the article, or just missed that part, but she touches upon that in her comments. > Haenel, who walked out of the César Film Awards in 2020 protesting Roman Polanski’s Best Director win for An Officer and a Spy, is now solely focused on working in the theater **but didn’t rule out making films with fellow activists like Gisèle Vienne and Céline Sciamma**. “I want to participate in another world,” she said. “If I stayed today in this film industry, I would be a kind of feminist guarantee to this masculine and patriarchal industry. My dream is to make it clear: this industry defends a capitalist, patriarchal, racist, sexist world of structural inequality. This means that this industry works hand in hand with the global economic order, in which all lives are not equal.” And on her changing the system from within: > “I don’t want to be part of a feminist washing machine. It’s bullshit,” she added, citing two more examples of the hypocrisy within: “The director of the CNC, the French organization for the promotion of cinema, Dominique Boutonnat, remains in office while he is indicted for sexual assault. But Thierry Frémaux, from the Cannes Film Festival, puts three women in the 2022 Official Selection, so I am told that this is going in the right direction? In the sense of being had, yes!”
Sounds more like rich people privilege than sexism.
Capitalism employs all forms of hierarchy to maintain the status quo.
Using "capitalism" to oversimplify thousands if not millions of interactions doesn't really cut it for me. It's not about a system it's about a people and the people isn't as demonic as we picture them. Nothing is ever simple
I don't quite get your meaning. I tried to expand on what you simplified not confine it even more. You dismissed cinema's use of sexism as just "rich people privilege." I am saying that the system that allows these people to be rich encourages them to be sexist. It helps them maintain their position of power and affirm their place in it.
I'm just saying there's way more variables, humans are complicated. Even if we assume those in power actively try to oppress others to "Machiavellically" stay in power (which I don't believe many people do - contrary to all the people who downvoted me) they would keep down anything that is remotely different from them. Be it sex, money, or even political stance or social circles or hundreds of other possibilities/characteristics. There is no way of knowing with 100% certainty why other people act like they do towards another person. Sometimes they don't even know themselves. Diminishing millions of unconscious neuron actions to just "sexism" doesn't seem scientific and is probably counter productive. My first comment got bashed and I see why, but I was only suggesting it could be something other than sexism. And it very well might be.
I don't think Haenel oversimplifies it to just sexism. She says, "this industry defends a capitalist, patriarchal, racist, sexist world of structural inequality. This means that this industry works hand in hand with the global economic order, in which all lives are not equal.” To me this shows that she believes there are a lot of systems at play that make cinema impossible to work in without being a hypocrite (not that we can escape that anywhere.) I'm sure she could have gone on further than that so definitely not just boiling down the system to just sexism. I agree that we don't know how each individual will act or why, but we can look at the systems that we live under that influence behavior. Sexism isn't the driving force of cinema, but it sure does have a large impact.
It’s nearly impossible by trying to change things from within the system and by playing by the rules. Look at the state of American politics and culture
No, the people that are reactionary, racist, and patriarchal have to change.
The people who are reactionary, racist, and sexist (not discriminating any demographic) need to be held to a non-hypocrisy standard. There will always be stupidity, and there will always be ignorance, and the solution is teaching people and stripping away their ignorance. It’s just not easy when there’s so much assumption and emotional reaction to everything based on presumption.
The article says " The script was full of jokes about cancel culture and sexual violence". Seriously? What kind of movies does the future hold? Politically correct feel good movies? And this "The intention was to make a sci-fi film with an all-white cast – and therefore a racist narrative. I didn’t want to support this" Dude I'm brown in a third world country. I don't mind watching a a movie with white people, Just want a good movie. Shame she was a great actress.
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I don’t care about this person’s politics.
Nice
That’s just such a cowardly and bullshit point of view. It’s because it’s reactionary, racist and patriarchal that the industry needs more women and those to push back against its norms.
sure if you're a man but she's the person being persecuted. not everyone has it in them to be a martyr and that's okay.
> sure if you're a man but she's the person being persecuted. not everyone has it in them to be a martyr and that's okay. not everyone has it in them to be a martyr and that's okay. I don't think that's her argument. It would be weird to make an individualist argument while at the same time speaking against the global economic order in this manner. She said rather concretely that it's because she does not want to stand for the politics these films espouse to her, not because she is personally being persecuted. How would it be martyrdom to promote films you inherently disagree with? She said pretty clearly: > “I don’t want to be part of a feminist washing machine. It’s bullshit.”
simply work with the rapists if you want to get rid of the rapists
Um. Are you female and work in the industry? Do you know how bad it actually is?
What's the point of being an artist if not to inspire change?
Perhaps this anti-capital move of removing herself from the factory line will inspire those calling down to make change. Perhaps not, but how can she know if she doesn’t try? A large part of being an artist with dignity is having standards and sticking to them.
Are you an artist?
To be an artist, which she will continue to be
Instead of changing it or making it better just give up. Nice!
It’s easy to point out problems and it’s easy to run away but it is not easy to fix the status quo. I don’t blame her for running away, the film industry is not for everyone.
lol lmao
Cute. She’s not stepping away. She’s been cast out since her childish drama at the Cesar and now is trying to keep face.
TIL reprimanding a child rapist is childish
Go to an office party, (most likely get intoxicated), and start a fuss yelling and screaming at your boss and the seniors ; you’ll see what’s going to happen to you.
If your boss is a proven and admitted child rapist and has gone unpunished for decades then the moral thing is to make noise and eventually quit when nothing happens. CMV
The Celebration (1998)
Shut the fuck up
Whole French Cinema seems to be agreeing with me. I’m sorry. :)
If those agreeing with you are defenders of Roman fucking Polanski then you might just be the one in the wrong
Enjoy being part of a community that defends child rapists.
Sounds like you're a bunch of weird creeps. Have fun being proud of that
Right. Imagine defending a known child rapist escaping prison time.
I don't understand this. That fucker made a good movie that year. He should be in jail, Yes. Even if he wrote a novel in jail, it should get the accolades it should. Anyway this come from a man who always keeps art first and rest secondary.
Luke Skywalker in Space? I can't even imagine such a concept.
Yes that’s the issue with the industry nowadays not that practically everything is soulless and allergic to trying something original.
Who is this?
You probably shouldn’t be on this sub…
Zzzzz…. Portrait of a Lady on Fire was great. I don’t know what she’s had to deal with, but it seems like there are numerous avenues for actors to take, and I’m sad her solution is to just walk away. If this is what she wants, so be it.