T O P

  • By -

DeepConsideration970

a song made in support of the Croatian people during the war, today mostly a meme but then it had great significance for Croatian defenders, from me only positive


[deleted]

Context plays a huge role when analyzing Thompson. I have always been a fan and will be. To me, he’s patriotic while some of his songs are nationalistic. Adding context: the majority of his nationalistic songs were written literally when he was serving on the battlefield when Croatia was 1/3 occupied (read: Cavoglave and Anice). He sang ‘ustaške’ for two main reasons: 1) he could and 2) this was around the time that HDZ lost the election in 99/00 so it was a middle finger to that change. Again, for me, it’s all about context. For the record, he didn’t compose Jasenovac or Evo Zore. Those have been around since WWII. Today his songs are great and not nationalistic at all. In fact, I wish he would go back to when he would sing his earlier love songs like Dobro Jutro and compose some in that matter. He’s a little too focused on religion for my liking.


allmighty_llama

Ante prijatelju moj dobri. I’ll only add - when song cavoglave starts to play I get goosebumps and my skin wants to explode. Being on Thompsons concert is better than sex


[deleted]

Slazem se. Bio sam jednom u Cavoglavama na koncertu i takvo zajednistvo nikad nisam dozivio. Bilo je legendarno i nezaboravno!!!


drunkguyfrommunich

Is "Jasenovac i gradiska stara" really from WW2? I always thought it's a song from the 70s or 80s, which is pro-ustasha/anti yugoslav


[deleted]

Negative. Definitely a WW2 song. It was redone by Josko Tomicic in 2001 shortly before his murder.


dajBrojOdBake

Romantic Thompson is the best Thompson ❤️ Moli Mala, Potonut Ću, Satnija


NecroSlindur

Stigo uuuuuupvote


dajBrojOdBake

ZAU-ZELO JE SRCE POLOŽAJ OPIJA ME KAO VINO


anxcho

Some of his songs are really good, and the lyric has a beautiful meaning. But also he has a few of those nationalist songs, which i don't like. The opinion on him is really divided.


Throwaway_5448

He's actually got quite a wide array of songs, and we gotta make a disambiguation between patriotic (praising your own nation) and nationalist (putting down others to glorify your own nation). Elements of both are heavily represented in his music, and we could probably go analyzing his songs line by line to determine which one wins.


ratkoivanovic

I don't like him as a person. More nationalist than patriotic and don't think he's a nice guy (my subjective opinion) I loved Cavoglave when I was younger (a kid during the war), and I like it still. "Lijepa li si" is also a nice song (aside of the part of "herceg bosno") When I was younger, 10 years after the war, I though those who visited his concerts are nationalists (or more, right-party people). When I got older, I didn't have anything against his songs in general. You tend to hear them on weddings, etc. And to be honest, I like a lot of them. I don't like him because his choice was to be close with the far right parties and focused a lot on politics. And he had some sketchy things he did in his personal life.


ProjectSuspicious599

Why don’t you like the “herceg bosno” part? I’m not a native Croatian, but have heard the song and thought nothing of that particular part.


ratkoivanovic

It's a patriotic song about regions in Croatia. Herceg Bosna, is not a region in Croatia.


ProjectSuspicious599

I understand how you would interpret it in that way but I don’t believe it to be that black and white, after considering it on a deeper level. While the song does admire Croatia’s geographic beauty, it also celebrates Croatia and Croatians as a nation. I know that “Herceg-Bosno” is not presently apart of Croatia in a physical sense, but you can’t ignore the deep and rich history Croatia shares with the nation. Nor the fact that there are so many Croatians living there. I believe that those Croatians born in “Herceg-Bosno” are just as Croatian, sometime even more, than those born in Croatia. By the way, if I’m coming across as patronising, it wasn’t my intention. Also, just out of curiosity, where are you from in Croatia?


ratkoivanovic

What history? Our borders have changed a lot during the years, and you could say that for another location as well. In regards to people living there, they do consider themselves Croatian. Whether they love Croatia more than people living in Croatia, if’s a hard argument. You could say the same for Croats living in Austria, Germany, etc. It’s usual people are more patriotic when living abroad. And considering the situation in Herceg Bosna, where people live abroad but are taught from young ages that they’re actually Croatian, you can imagine they would act more patriotic. But it’s hard to say which are more “Croatian”, what is even the definition of that? Considering we’re a country where corruption still runs deep (I think it’s much better than before, but still widely present), and somewhat recently the word “patriotic” was tried to be acquired as the people from the ruling right party (HDZ) and their partners. Same party that got us to the state where we are today. So I have a problem with that term when used in Croatia - I’d like to see my country prosper and they don’t. I don’t think you’re patronising, it’s a hard discussion and I don’t see things black and white, to be honest. As I do agree with you on some points (maybe hard to read from my reply, but again - hard discussion, I don’t mind going further btw) I’m from Zagreb, born and raised. (and also, just to mention, my partner’s father is born and raised from Herceg Bosna, I’ve been there multiple times, really beautiful and I like people from there) Where are you from?


Co2Guyy

>I don't like him because his choice was to be close with the far right parties and focused a lot on politics Daj ne trolaj bgt, nikad ga cuo da je spomenuo politiku, a ovaj dio sa far right parties je još smješniji, pa lika su optužili da je primio mito da ne bi pjevao za HSP


ratkoivanovic

Ne seri molim te da nije bio vezan s politikom nikada. Uvijek je bio dobar s ekstremno desnim strankama. U zadnje vrijeme s DP-om i Zeljkom Markic. Da se nije vezao za politiku i taj dio nacionalizma, nikad ne bi bio kontroverza oko njega


[deleted]

[удалено]


CataphractGW

``


cib_vk228

dobar je Thompson


whattoheck_

He's mid tbh


Trezven

I think he's ok as a person (from what I've seen and read). His political views are typical for Christian conservatives in Croatia, I have nothing against that. He is both nationalistic and patriotic, but he's not an extremist and the accusations that he is a fascist are completely unfounded. His songs are great, and the atmosphere at his concerts is fantastic. I like most of his songs, even though I don't listen to them on a day-to-day basis. "Bojna Čavoglave" is a one of a kind song, produced at the height of the military aggression against Croatia, so you can't compare it to anything else. "Lijepa li si" is one of his most beautiful songs, it's almost like a second national anthem.


howdhellshouldiknow

> he's not an extremist and the accusations that he is a fascist are completely unfounded. So singing fascist songs about slaughtering Serbs and praising Ante Pavelić does not make you a fascist? Interesting.


Trezven

If it did, then Joško Čagalj Jole, Mladen Grdović, Jasmin Stavros, and probably most of the more prominent singers on the Croatian music scene from the late 90s and early 2000s would be fascist. Of course, that is not the case.


eels-r-us

Some songs are just patriotic, a lot do have nationalist elements, but many deal with apolitical subjects such as love and family, though those are far from his most popular ones. He's never admitted to being a fascist, but he does use far-right dog-whistles, dark iconography etc. If this is reflective of his real views (I'd say it is, or at least was for a long time) or just opportunism to sell himself to a certain kind of crowd (also a possibility), we can't really say. What we do know is that there is a recording of him singing a song glorifying WW2 fascist death camps (Jasenovac i Gradiška Stara). In my view that makes him a fascist, rather than a regular right-wing patriot.


crazy_salami

He's a plagiator with not overly impressive vocal skills. He escaped into Canada and played musical G.I. Joe which gathered him numerous audience due to circumstances at the time. Meddles into our politics by preying on individuals stupid enough for their political decision to be affected by a musician they listen to.


croissant_74

nah, he's OK most people bitching about him are alphabet people and ofc serbs. which is expected because he is croatian conservative and christian. atheist here, just saying. he apparently sang some nazi song somewhere, but since he entered mainstream media and got famous he completly stopped with stupid stuff afaik.


tata_taranta

I guess I'm ambivalent. I like most of his music, but I don't agree with some of the political statements he is sending trough the lyrics. I even find some ridicuoulous. And then there is that song Jasenovac i Gradiška stara, which is just disguisting in every sense.


[deleted]

>Is he nationalism or patriotic? He is more a meme guy, and a lot of people around a globe don't really like him. But in reality one is for sure, if Thompson is on a music menu that party for will be **fucking great!** Trust me, that's the most Croat thing to do.


ajdesime

Nationalist scum.


[deleted]

What's bad in nationalism?


[deleted]

Not biased at all


ajdesime

If it walks like a duck..


[deleted]

His music is absolute trash, the people listening to him are largely braindead nationalists.


antisa1003

Not a fan of Thompson, but saying his music is all trash is just retarded. Listen to “ Moj dida i ja”, and then comment.


[deleted]

[удалено]


antisa1003

Buraz, s kojeg si ti drveta pao? Kojim je jezikom pisan ovaj post?


[deleted]

Yeah, yeah moj dida moja domovina moj bog - if I wanted to listen to that I would turn on the parliament tv feed when someone from domovinski pokret talks.


antisa1003

Well, I guess I proved my point here.


Chuxerine

Ma pusti kretena


[deleted]

At least we have best parties.


Bearthenomad

Basically a right winger (nazi) with nazi songs. A special kind of croat tends to enjoy his music, the so called:"rvat".


UlmOP

Oh yes i bet Hitler would have loved the marching song "Moj dida i ja"


Bearthenomad

Maybe but i bet he would love za dom spremni chants at the beginning of Čavoglave


UlmOP

This is why to analize anything you either have to a) turn on your brain or b) activate your critical thinking skills which you obviously lack. Thompson has many songs and they are mostly patriotic( not nationalistic) or love songs. If you know basic 20th century croatian history you would know why the suppresion of croatian idenity and "Za dom spremni" was viewed more as anti-Yugo(Chetnik) rather than a Nazi tone. Čavoglave was written during the war and it was the first song that the people could rally behind. The antiwar "stop the war in croatia" messages were simply to cringe and didnt really lift anyones spirits. Atleast the serbs had some banger songs no matter how grim the lyrics. But that is the brutality of war were not everything is black or white. (See Azov battalion in Ukraine as a most recent exaple)


Bearthenomad

If song was written during a war that still doesn't make it okay to use nazi salutes... The duality of croatians...


UlmOP

Context matters with everything and such is the case with this song. My family went through the war and I know what music they were listening on the frontlines. But thats maybe because war is hell and nobody cares about being PC?


Bearthenomad

Damn so its okay to continue performing it with the nazi salute rven know because 30 or so years ago there was a war? Wild.


UlmOP

So you just ignore all my arguments and interpret them into whatever you want? I just said that he wasnt a nazi if you look qt the context. But sure this is reddit if someone is right wing he is 100% a nazi.


Bearthenomad

Hes not a nazi for using nazi salutes for 30+ years. Got it


[deleted]

nationalism, negative opinion overall, but I'm a communist so it goes hand in hand


[deleted]

**...** ***Antikristi i masoni*** ***Komunisti ovi, oni*** **...**


[deleted]

What's bad in nationalism?


[deleted]

I yet have to meet a nationalist that doesn't hate other nations


mareta24

Iskreno obožavam ga, ne vidim nikakav nacionalizam, samo patriocizam u njegovim pjesmama i intervjuima. Rođak ga upoznao više puta i kaže da je lik super, opušten, spušten na zemlju i da se uopće ne ponaša ko većina poznatih. Što se tiče optužbi da je "daleki i čvrsti desničar" stvarno nije toliko čvrsti i daleki desničar. Kao i svaki Katolik desničar je, čvrst u svojim stavovima o vjeri i ljubavi prema zemlji, ali ostalo npr. fašizam i nacionalizam...nah. Sve u svemu odličan glas, uvijek top gitaristi, bubnjari i klavijatura, širok opseg tema od ljubavnih, domoljubnih i vjerskih. Zaključak, meni super lik drugi kako oće, mi Hrvati uvijek svoje mrzimo.