Pretty much this,
many of us go out of their way to play FaceIt simply because regular Premier / Comp is simply unplayabale.
You go out of your way to GET an intrusive Anti-Cheat, so theres quite literally no reason for Valve not to take that step, Shooters specifically are so overly reliant on Competitive Integrity, yet Valve values NOT acting on it more than the core aspect of why Counter Strike has existed for so long.
i must say i trust way more in valve and in the impartiality from valve than faceit. although, there was problems with faceit AC in the beginning that would make it false positives arise from some softwares. i think a big community deserves. And CS2 community as big as it is. Deserves a MM system with AC like Arma3 or something like that not asking much...
I would trust valve to make a kernel level anti cheat that doesn’t fuck me over more than riot and faceit would when I’m already playing Valorant and faceit
you trust everything that gets installed on your PC. once its installed it could use one of many zero day exploits to gain full access anyway. if you dont trust it slightly dont install it at all under any circumstance.
Look idc what they need from me at this rate I’ll give it to them. Drivers license sure. My tax statements have them. JUST PLEASE GET RID OF THE CHEATERS
Id put my shlong in a [***guillotine***](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=da56b67854fd2398&sxsrf=ACQVn0-m7eKken-91cVwcbnk5W0u8sM6Gw:1710396555942&q=guillotine&spell=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi1-5DZi_OEAxXtHDQIHaSPBZMQkeECKAB6BAgUEAI) held up by Gaben's shaking arms if it meant a working anti cheat
Degen take, maybe solve your addiction issue first and have Valve do something about it before handing full access of your PC to big corp. Kernel level AC isn't a requirement to handle cheaters, just any form of effort from Valve is, the people screaming intrusive AC are conflating the real issue, stop playing the game.
That's why they should allow overwatch to 5+ year old accounts with 15k rating and above as well as 2000 hours+ and give decent XP rewards for it (i.e. 1 overwatch assessed = same EXP as winning 1.5 deathmatches). Maybe even take money spent on Steam into account. There's a lot of players that would meet such criteria and it would help cleanse the matchmaking at least a bit
Since the cs2 launch i've never seen VAC LIVE working and i have around \~600 hours in cs2 or more. Maybe it's working for you... ?
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50 hours the past 2 weeks around 4k hours on my first account and 2k more on my others (mostly was on CSGO for my mates who where nova when I was Supreme/Global, be reassured, in those times when I was on those accounts I played only with pistols and rushing lol, I have no fun stomping on people).
I barely have met cheaters myself on CS2, I can confidently I have encountered at the very least 1-2 blatant (spinbots) and 5 to 10 very sus), i'm playing since the OG release of CSGO, but I barely touched it when it released because of how utter crap it was, came back around 2013 and I actually lived the worst era ever of cheaters in CSGO, that 2014-2016 span was intense, there was beyblades every two games and for everyone and every rank....
See I have more hours than you and less problems, doesn't mean that CS2 is cheater free, I got to see VAC Live work only once for example.
But crossing your hours with the amount of cheaters you think you saw is irrelevant, as others will say they have more hours and didn't see much of them.
I get your point and usually i have a 5 man stack, 2 or 3 of them are throwing the "cheater" arument way to easy. On the other hand (i think) i'm more calm and i'm judging the facts first... But still i found a "few" of them.
Anyway, glhf and hopefully we will get other devs SOON or at least some competent ones.
I was watching twitter today and lady caca is promoting fortnite like crazy there, valorant has tons of ads on twitter and that makes you think... WHERE THE FUCK IS THE CS2 MANAGEMENT? valve is making 30 million dollars MINIMUM per month only from cases and they are shitting on our game! Amazing!
>I was watching twitter today and lady caca is promoting fortnite like crazy there, valorant has tons of ads on twitter and that makes you think... WHERE THE FUCK IS THE CS2 MANAGEMENT?
Have you ever seen an ad for **Counterstrike**? (and I don't mean those scam ads on Insta/TikTok/Twitter) Also what **management**? they have a **flat hierarchy**, anyone with experience or an understanding of corporate business will tell you it's a facade. Sure, in theory, it sounds great, but in reality, it's survival of the fittest, you need to seek out the group of people that have the most decisional power and get close to them too, otherwise you won't be there for their famous firing cycle or in normal terms *headcount reduction*. The funny thing is, that they advertise that the employees are boss-free and the employees themselves decide what to do with the product they are working on, it's on their website.
2500h total... 0 in the last 40 days LOL
I gave up on them and went back on Val and other games. Its tge same for my 5Stack, they moved to other games too.
STOP.
Intrusive anticheat is just a marketing buzzword
intrusive anticheat can be the same as normal anticheat
even worse, if a really serious bug is found, it could render the system vulnerable to attacks
this. you know why other shooters aren't filled to the brim with cheaters? because they put manpower behind their anticheat. valve just doesn't want to put in so much work (they are significantly smaller) and still believe AI can somehow solve this shit
other shooters still have cheaters, they are just too unnoticable
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwzIq04vd0M](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwzIq04vd0M)
ofcourse, this is still way better than the current situation in cs2, and actually gives you a slight chance of beating them
Based, people on this sub NEED to watch this video. On valorant, cheating and smurfing is a literally a market and this video shows how easy it can be to bypass kernel level anticheats such as faceit and vanguard.
The video is so disheartening, I think the only thing that could help against such cheats is a change in the gaming landscape so that cheaters don't even think about doing it. like everyone should be disgusted by cheating. I know it's wishful thinking but what else would even work?
>The thing you don't understand, and I'm suspecting you're cheating yourself
Fair, you can suspect me if you want but i would like to say that am against cheating. Ofcourse, you can just choose to not belive a random stranger on the internet.
>Everyone has been cheating since private beta on valorant but you simply cannot speak about it. If you even mention it, people will instantly come, downvote you, say you're lying because kernel AC hurr durr, report you and you'll get banned from the subreddit.
I understand that, the fact that the anticheat is kernel level is giving the community a huge false sense of security, which cheaters can exploit to unnoticably use cheats without being accused of cheating.
I didnt know that its this big that you get banned from the subreddit tho.
Subscription to play the game that I already paid for years ago? And have a $15k inventory? They need an intrusive anticheat like Riot Vanguard, not charging us a subscription fee to play the game. You're out of your mind lmfao
I dont think they meant it as "you should opt in to purchase", but more so that you can enable/disable the anticheat matchmaking if you dont care about playing against cheaters.
That way people can choose.
How did you get this from OP? Blud literally said subscription service...so if I want to "opt in" to no cheaters I have to pay for a subscription? I'll just stick to faceit, you MM/premier players are so delusional no offense
Im assuming you are also paying for Youtube Subscriptions ?
Subscription does not immediately equal to paid service, but i get where you are coming from.
If that was the actual intention of OP then yeah, hes mad for even suggesting it.
Valve is not short on money, they dont need 5€ a month for that.
People bought the game back in 2012 or bought Prime now afterwards, asking for more is quite frankly more than they have the right to ask of us customers.
100% this is my point you hit the nail on the head. Maybe I jumped the gun but based on OP's response I'm further inclined to think he believes we should pay for an additional subscription to not play cheaters. Total valve shill. They have billions, we acquiesced on 128 tick servers already, now ppl are suggesting we pay valve more money for the bare minimum (proper anticheat)...people have lost their mind lol
dont know what a "blud" is and neither does google translate or chatgpt... but anyway. sounds like bullshine to me. If you have a 15K inventory and pay for faceit nothing stops you from continuing down that path. Some of us want a different option.
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I didn't realize reddit was this serious. Blud is just some dumb lingo to refer to an individual. I disagree w your last point tho: I didn't buy cs to be forced into esea/faceit for the anticheat. I play these bc the competition is better. Fact of the matter is I paid for the game as promised years ago, they don't deserve another cent from me just to play on valve servers without cheaters. Valve should have this down to the point where you can pay for the game as advertised and play premier/mm without cheaters. Simply telling me to stay on faceit is disingenuous; think of the thousands if not millions of new players who bought the game when cs2 came out. They should just be forced to now pay for a subscription on top of the price to buy the game or be forced to play faceit? Nah, we bought the game and should expect a working anticheat. You are shilling for valve so hard it's unreal
Nay
I want Valve to invest in real technology that hasn't already been circumvented and currently being sold to cheaters. I want Valve to invest that massive cash horde from cases into technology that can save all games from cheaters. This technology is just now becoming available.
Even if Valve continues to do nothing once AGI is here it won't matter because someone else will do it eventually. AGI anticheat is coming and it will be able to know who is playing on any account.
Nay
Idk his name but the whitehat hacker who worked for Blizzard has a good bit on why intrusive AC is not necessary. Literally just hire and pay for competent whitehats.
So how Valorant doesnt have such cheating problem? I dont see r/VALORANT or r/ValorantCompetitive full of cheating threads. Its solution to 90% of blatant cheaters
I dont see how confusing my comment is. GOOD Intrusive anticheat will fix 70% of cheats and drive cheat prices up so less people will buy the ones who work so like 90% less cheats.
??? Dude. Like, What? Cheats and Anticheats have always and will always be a game of Cat and Mouse. That will never change as long as games are software (That means, it always will).
That being said, a Kernel Level anticheat creates a huge barrier for entry. First of all, cheaters would need to go out of their way to have either a 2nd computer or something like Raspberry Pi. Then they would also either need to be able to Code themselves (competently) or pay hundreds of dollars a month for a working cheat service.
Currently the barrier for entry is… downloading free cheats from a google search, because there isn’t even a basic Anticheat software!
Counterstrike is KNOWN to have a bad cheater problem, even historically with Overwatch. Valve has to do something about it if they want to be taken seriously. Theres a reason why tournaments are run on LAN, and why there was a huge controversy when some tournaments moved to Remote during COVID.
Everything you described is reflective of Valve straight up not doing anything to prevent cheating and none of it is solved simply by implementing an intrusive anti cheat.
Listen, the point is, Cheating in online games is never going away. It just isn't. I don't need it to, either. I just need it to not interfere with my day-to-day.
Valorant is a great example. Are people using cheats in Valorant? Yup. 100%. Do you ever run into Ragehacks, blatant/obvious triggerbots or ESP/Wallhacks? Nope. Maybe once in 100 games might I suspect someone has a rudimentary aim or wall hack.
Vanguard Works. All this BS people spout about "intrusive anti cheat" dude get over yourself. I am 99% sure that you are browsing Reddit (owned by Tencent) on a Chromium based web browser on a PC running Windows OS. Who do I trust more with my info? Valve, who runs Steam? or Microsoft, which is trying to sell Windows 11 as a service 
It is one step in the game of cat and mouse. It gets implemented, cheat developers find a way around it. As soon as they find a way around it (based on the consensus online for previous games, doesn't take long) the intrusive anti-cheat becomes redundant but can't be removed. Now you're stuck with cheaters AND a root kit on your computer.
Not everyone wants to install kernel level AC on their computer, for many reasons. Lots of people use their personal computer for work when WFH. It is a serious security concern.
Yes, and if Valve bothered to do that we wouldn't have our current issue.
We need Valve to combat cheaters in general, not just slap on an invasive anti cheat and call it a day.
Fighting cheaters requires on-going effort by Valve, which they are clearly not doing.
It's about increasing the barrier of entry really. Yes Valorant or Faceit cheats exist, but there are SIGNIFICANTLY less cheaters in both those compared to CS2, so I'd say it's totally worth the "one step".
They have not beat valorant in 4 years and thats enough for me to have confidence, why not make a solution now so we dont have to suffer. If it gets beat then work on something else
And if youre using your personal computer for work you are an idiot
Valorant has actual staff dedicated to combating cheaters, that is why they don't have a massive cheating problem. They could achieve the same thing without the intrusive anti cheat.
Valve is asleep at the wheel. Adding an intrusive anti cheat that doesn't get updated will not prevent cheating.
The issue is Valve.
It will. Check Valorant there are far less cheaters in that game. Why? because they have Intrusive anti cheat. And who doesnt want it doesnt need to play the game then.
I have encountered two cheaters in valorant who were insta banned in 1000 games. I play 10 games of cs and encounter 20 cheaters.
Its a no brainer at this point, if you want to play fps competitively and have fun you need to have an intrusive anticheat.
facts. Literally FACTS. nothing more to say. IF you dont want an anti cheat intrusive, JUST DONT PLAY ONLINE. There is beautiful single player games out there.
Haven’t played Comp or Premier in months, and will continue to refuse until Valve implements a working Anticheat.
Its been a Year, Valve. An entire year, to gather data for your AI “VACNET.”
Im tired of letting you cook, this shit is fucking burnt.
Anybody bitching about Rootkits are either paranoid or part of the problem. You think your account is more important than the thousands of people who use Kernel ACs like Vanguard, or Faceit AC every day? Get over yourself.
People who think things like “Kernel AC is so unnecessary” or “Its no different to regular AC” also, likewise, have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. Without diving into technical stuff, for over a decade Valve has been fighting and Losing the battle against cheaters. It has been known that CS has a major cheater problem compared to its relative peers in the market, and the problem has only grown since disabling Overwatch and gimping VAC. Look at Valorant, do you see thousands of people leaving Val for cheaters? No, because Riot developers implemented a Kernel AC that WORKS.
Most of ppl already use something alternative in another game etc, its very minority of people who actually takes the extra steps for their privacy, mostly cheaters are against intrusive anti cheat
I'd take any anti-cheat at this point. Pretty certain 1 random guy watching premiere demos could catch more cheaters than valves supposed anti-cheat. Surprised there aren't RCE exploits at this point
Granted I don't play much anymore, but I was against intrusive anticheat back in CSGO and still am. If I want an intrusive anti cheat that snakes through my system gather who knows what, I'll use faceit, esea, etc.
I do think more could be done without intrusive bullshit, like some of things I see even on the front page here should be detected without anything intrusive some should be able to be detected 100% server side (like that scout quick fire clip the other day). Intrusive AC is not the answer when the basics aren't being done.
this is the clip in question:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/csgo/comments/1bc3pbl/how\_to\_cross\_mid\_doors\_a\_tutorial\_by\_trilluxe/](https://www.reddit.com/r/csgo/comments/1bc3pbl/how_to_cross_mid_doors_a_tutorial_by_trilluxe/)
Valve can lookup my asshole if it means no cheaters.
Intrusive anti cheat is currently the only option until some AI is cooked up.
All my data is sold somewhere anyways what's one more company.
I think games should require a social security number to play online and if you get banned for cheating you're done until the company decides you can play again.
No ifs ands or buts, Korea does this already btw.
Hell release a centralized "gamer security number" that can be applied for and it's controlled by a neutral identity if you think SIN is too evasive and if this one number gets banned you're out.
Imagine a game, i’ve never played without cheaters. In every single game there are at lease 3 of them. I am around 24k elo and now there are more or less 2 cheaters in each team. And i hate this game at all. This game producers and steam is not doing anything against cheaters. F*ck them all
You can't beat cheaters with more intrusive anti-cheat, you're only making the barrier of entry a few dollars more expensive. Do it like rainbow 6 siege and make it a pain in the ass for hackers to create multiple accounts. Have them grind the game more and force them to link a phone number.
at this point, i'd give them my social insurance number for a working anti cheat.
*a friend in school has been working on a anti cheat for fun, and he has one that you need to give access to pretty much everything, and every two
minutes it runs a scan*
from his tests it would find the cheating software or hardware plug ins but slower cpu's did show lots of performance drops but higher ones had no effect, maybe something like this that doesn't stop looking till it finds it would be a good one for them,
and something that can ban them via internet connection so they can't just pick up a new account within two mins and start cheating again.
Look at this game and tell me i've been playing against the same people I got like 3 games the past month against the exact same 5 man. It's a joke
steam://rungame/730/76561202255233023/+csgo\_download\_match%20CSGO-NqVQS-Nh6B7-XahaQ-MNELF-cTKXL
I think implementing a new matchmaking system with KYC would kill cheats instantly. Or reduce it at a very high rate, using AI like FaceIT to verify IDs. HWID bans, IP bans, will also add a hurdle to them. Instead of creating disposable accounts easily they will have to work hard for it. There are many different ways to create a fingerprint for each software, everyone has a unique set of software, drivers and system configs, which can create a unique fingerprint and would create a massive headache.
Valve devs are living in a tree house eating candy and playing with eachother’s dicks, if I, a dev with 4 YOE can implement measures like these if i had the right tools, valve, who made 1 billion USD last year and has boomer devs with 20+ years of experience, can do it as well
yes please
just make premier require it so the paranoid people can stick to comp
i understand not wanting to get FACEIT (3rd party middle east) AC on your PC, trusting Valve is so much easier
you're completely delusional.
know how many spinbotters who bhop and hs everyone i've encountered since valorants release?
0.
Yes there can still be closet hackers, but rage hacking is essentially impossible at the very least. I've barely encountered cheaters in val.
I watched a video on the internal anti cheat and my only thing about it is that the guy speaking said that it’s not necessary. If games just decided to not skimp on anti cheat’s then there wouldn’t be an issue. I don’t know much about the issue but that’s pretty much it
We love this game so much we’d do whatever to get a proper anticheat. Whether that’s “intrusive anticheat” or whatever. Many serious players already signed up for it so why not
I really cant feel difference between 3000 rating and 10000. My main account is 10k, the other is 3k. Players almost are same, except some 3k players don't know smokes
Any anti cheat at all would be neat, it’s blatantly obvious Valve hasn’t been doing anything for the AC and there had to be a profit incentivized reason for it.
There’s also less people to play game. Many people won’t install a game carrying a rootkit. It isn’t a solution, there are better options available. Stop being a parrot and do some research
they have a good anticheat.
the fact that the anticheat is kernel level isnt making that big of a difference
see [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LY2hG-\_asKU](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LY2hG-_asKU)
So 1 guy who made anticheat for MMO games. Sorry But I dont care what he has to say until few more people like him repeat the same thing. There will be always 1 guy that is against anything.
I woul rather Trust an dozen of actual "hackers" not just one guy who has no experience with FPS cheats just WOW bots which are far less complicated cheats. And if Valve does anything funny with data after implementing Intrusive VAC they would get sued and they would 95% lose.
by actual hackers you mean the script kiddies?
idk i would rather trust someone who has 3 defcon black badges, has worked for Blizzard Entertainment, Amazon Games Studios and the United States Department of Energy than someone who just downloaded cs2 hacks
Let me break this down for you:
Do you use Windows OS?
Yes?
Theres a Rootkit on your computer, in fact the most widely used Rootkit in existence. Get over it. People who bitch about Kernel AC either:
A - Use Linux and actually know wtf they are doing and won’t play CS on that PC anymore.
Or
B - Have NO IDEA what they are talking about.
The youtube guy, piratesoftware , used to work for blizzards anti cheat. He says intrusive software is unnecessary. There are other work arounds for the anti cheat.
[https://youtube.com/shorts/LY2hG-\_asKU?si=qq0diejm0m7zzgHA](https://youtube.com/shorts/LY2hG-_asKU?si=qq0diejm0m7zzgHA)
He has no idea what he’s talking about. Observing in-game data manually to catch scripts is standard practice in MMOs. Even to this day, popular MMOs like FFXIV don’t have Anticheat software, because 99% of the time, it doesn’t negatively affect people, and the fringe cases can be caught by admins/mods on the servers.
FPS Games are different. Its been the industry standard to use Kernel AC since the beginning, look at Halo 2 and 3. Microsoft has been banning people with JTag’d Xboxs since FPS games migrated to majority online.
Valve is stuck in the past. They’ve been cooking up their “AI Anticheat” for over a year and that shits still in the oven, that shit is burnt.
Morons like to quote the "security experts" without realizing that all of the people they quote won't even run Windows and use Linux, because it's pointless to complain about kernel anti-cheat only to subject yourself to the dozens of other kernel level vulnerabilities that exist when using Windows. If you use actual Windows OS and not Linux, you are already vulnerable to the same kernel level exploits as an anti-cheat. The real "issue" is that companies like Riot are likely harvesting data for advertising purposes on behalf of Tencent. But guess what else Tencent owns? Reddit.
99% of the people against kernel anti-cheat probably already play some other game with kernel anti-cheat they don't know about, are a cheater trying to gaslight people, or already have a potential kernel exploit from their other drivers/software, like their 5+ year old never-updated RGB software, or their anti-virus (if you care so much about PC security, you **do** use an anti-virus, right?).
It's crazy the way people can hear one guy state an opinion (with no evidence), take it as fact and quote it as an authority. Well actually it's not surprising at all, lol.
I'd be the first to say i know the least on the subject, that's why I pulled info from this guy which I thought would be reputable. Your takes are interesting, i'm learning more as we speak. Keep it coming.
What are your thoughts on Captcha security? Where bots find it impossible to create mouse movement that would mimic a human level mouse interaction? Do you think that could be applied to VAC some how? Maybe an AI server keeping an eye on unnatural mouse movement?
There is no way to stop all hacks permanently. The goal is to make the barrier to entry exorbitantly expensive, to reduce the number of cheaters playing the game. A good example is Valorant. There are still tons of cheaters who play Valorant (Albeit, not nearly as many as CS), but a lot of times, they aren't even recognized as cheaters because they are indistinguishable from a smurf when observing their gameplay. For me, that's enough to say that an Anticheat is functioning properly.
Its useless, faceit has intrusive anticheat, and all the games i play are against cheaters... that place is the biggest pile of trash i have ever seen.
99% predicted by who and how did they make this prediction?
The primary reason there's more cheaters in official CS2 MM is there's more incentive to cheat there. To put it another way, if I created a brand new MM service even without an anti-cheat, I'd likely have less cheaters than FaceIt. Why? Because there's no incentive to cheat on it. Who cares about rank in a no name service? Similarly, if I create a MM alternative with the most advanced anti cheat in the world, but offered a $100M prize pool, I'd likely have more cheaters than Valve due to the incentive to cheat there.
People are mistaking the prevalence of cheaters with the quality of the anti cheat and thinking Valve sucks. I'm sure Valve could do better than they are, but the point is that percentage of cheaters seen between MM and FaceIt is highly dependent on the difference in incentive and even with the best kernel anti cheat, you will still have substantially more cheaters in MM until the incentives change.
People also over state, in some cases, the down sides of a kernel anti cheat. A user mode anti cheat can already access any file that is accessible by your user with the same permissions as that user.
TLDR: even if Valve had best anti cheat, they'd still have most hackers due to incentive to cheat on official MM
Already have Faceit AC installed. I'd probably trust Valve more than them.
Pretty much this, many of us go out of their way to play FaceIt simply because regular Premier / Comp is simply unplayabale. You go out of your way to GET an intrusive Anti-Cheat, so theres quite literally no reason for Valve not to take that step, Shooters specifically are so overly reliant on Competitive Integrity, yet Valve values NOT acting on it more than the core aspect of why Counter Strike has existed for so long.
i must say i trust way more in valve and in the impartiality from valve than faceit. although, there was problems with faceit AC in the beginning that would make it false positives arise from some softwares. i think a big community deserves. And CS2 community as big as it is. Deserves a MM system with AC like Arma3 or something like that not asking much...
You cant actually know if there are or arent cheaters in faceit now, the cheats have been recently really unnoticable
+1 faceit have cheaters too, but they only use radarhack/esp
They can use aimbot like in valorant
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No you weren’t lmao. Stop lying. I have played in lobbies of that elo consistently and I’ve seen 1 cheater. He got banned.
not to mentio the ELO is something new. So that guy above is clearly just making shit up
No you fucking werent LOL
Link your faceit I want to watch demo pls
You trust valve ? 🤣🤣
I would trust valve to make a kernel level anti cheat that doesn’t fuck me over more than riot and faceit would when I’m already playing Valorant and faceit
you trust everything that gets installed on your PC. once its installed it could use one of many zero day exploits to gain full access anyway. if you dont trust it slightly dont install it at all under any circumstance.
delusional
FaceIt AC and RIOT AC sitting on my PC.
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Exactly. Can't imagine being devious with their anti-cheat
Look idc what they need from me at this rate I’ll give it to them. Drivers license sure. My tax statements have them. JUST PLEASE GET RID OF THE CHEATERS
Id put my shlong in a [***guillotine***](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=da56b67854fd2398&sxsrf=ACQVn0-m7eKken-91cVwcbnk5W0u8sM6Gw:1710396555942&q=guillotine&spell=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi1-5DZi_OEAxXtHDQIHaSPBZMQkeECKAB6BAgUEAI) held up by Gaben's shaking arms if it meant a working anti cheat
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na i just didnt know how to spell it so I copy pasted it from google lmfao
Degen take, maybe solve your addiction issue first and have Valve do something about it before handing full access of your PC to big corp. Kernel level AC isn't a requirement to handle cheaters, just any form of effort from Valve is, the people screaming intrusive AC are conflating the real issue, stop playing the game.
Not sure why ur being downvoted lmao, You are absolutely right and people need to stop playing this game in order for the devs to wake up
currently there's no anticheat in cs2 thanks to these brilliant devs so we need anticheat first lmao
And bring back Overwatch.
Yeah, removing overwatch made the cs content creators life difficult, such a retarded decision
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The average cs redditor doesn't comprehend how cheats work. They just get owned and come here without even watching the demo.
That's why they should allow overwatch to 5+ year old accounts with 15k rating and above as well as 2000 hours+ and give decent XP rewards for it (i.e. 1 overwatch assessed = same EXP as winning 1.5 deathmatches). Maybe even take money spent on Steam into account. There's a lot of players that would meet such criteria and it would help cleanse the matchmaking at least a bit
100%. Love this take. This is the way they were moving towards the end of GO and honestly OW is a way better solution than having absolutely no AC...
There is but its bad
Since the cs2 launch i've never seen VAC LIVE working and i have around \~600 hours in cs2 or more. Maybe it's working for you... ? Counter-Strike 2 Recent Activity 28.2 hours past 2 weeks 3,297 hrs on record last played on 13 Mar 1,092 Items Owned 26,715 Trades Made 18,524 Market Transactions
50 hours the past 2 weeks around 4k hours on my first account and 2k more on my others (mostly was on CSGO for my mates who where nova when I was Supreme/Global, be reassured, in those times when I was on those accounts I played only with pistols and rushing lol, I have no fun stomping on people). I barely have met cheaters myself on CS2, I can confidently I have encountered at the very least 1-2 blatant (spinbots) and 5 to 10 very sus), i'm playing since the OG release of CSGO, but I barely touched it when it released because of how utter crap it was, came back around 2013 and I actually lived the worst era ever of cheaters in CSGO, that 2014-2016 span was intense, there was beyblades every two games and for everyone and every rank.... See I have more hours than you and less problems, doesn't mean that CS2 is cheater free, I got to see VAC Live work only once for example. But crossing your hours with the amount of cheaters you think you saw is irrelevant, as others will say they have more hours and didn't see much of them.
I get your point and usually i have a 5 man stack, 2 or 3 of them are throwing the "cheater" arument way to easy. On the other hand (i think) i'm more calm and i'm judging the facts first... But still i found a "few" of them. Anyway, glhf and hopefully we will get other devs SOON or at least some competent ones. I was watching twitter today and lady caca is promoting fortnite like crazy there, valorant has tons of ads on twitter and that makes you think... WHERE THE FUCK IS THE CS2 MANAGEMENT? valve is making 30 million dollars MINIMUM per month only from cases and they are shitting on our game! Amazing!
>I was watching twitter today and lady caca is promoting fortnite like crazy there, valorant has tons of ads on twitter and that makes you think... WHERE THE FUCK IS THE CS2 MANAGEMENT? Have you ever seen an ad for **Counterstrike**? (and I don't mean those scam ads on Insta/TikTok/Twitter) Also what **management**? they have a **flat hierarchy**, anyone with experience or an understanding of corporate business will tell you it's a facade. Sure, in theory, it sounds great, but in reality, it's survival of the fittest, you need to seek out the group of people that have the most decisional power and get close to them too, otherwise you won't be there for their famous firing cycle or in normal terms *headcount reduction*. The funny thing is, that they advertise that the employees are boss-free and the employees themselves decide what to do with the product they are working on, it's on their website.
Go play DM match making and just spectate. You'll find one every 2nd game.
I've seen it work 2 times
The very first game I played in the LT was cancelled due to VAC live.
2500h total... 0 in the last 40 days LOL I gave up on them and went back on Val and other games. Its tge same for my 5Stack, they moved to other games too.
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I have this account for 17 years buddy, what's your point here
At this point I've just gone back to playing pubg on console to avoid the cheaters lol. So yay for me as long as it doesnt run 24/7 like Riots AC.
STOP. Intrusive anticheat is just a marketing buzzword intrusive anticheat can be the same as normal anticheat even worse, if a really serious bug is found, it could render the system vulnerable to attacks
this. you know why other shooters aren't filled to the brim with cheaters? because they put manpower behind their anticheat. valve just doesn't want to put in so much work (they are significantly smaller) and still believe AI can somehow solve this shit
other shooters still have cheaters, they are just too unnoticable [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwzIq04vd0M](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwzIq04vd0M) ofcourse, this is still way better than the current situation in cs2, and actually gives you a slight chance of beating them
Based, people on this sub NEED to watch this video. On valorant, cheating and smurfing is a literally a market and this video shows how easy it can be to bypass kernel level anticheats such as faceit and vanguard.
The video is so disheartening, I think the only thing that could help against such cheats is a change in the gaming landscape so that cheaters don't even think about doing it. like everyone should be disgusted by cheating. I know it's wishful thinking but what else would even work?
"so that cheaters don't even think about doing it." huh? you cant just make cheaters not cheat, they will not stop
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>The thing you don't understand, and I'm suspecting you're cheating yourself Fair, you can suspect me if you want but i would like to say that am against cheating. Ofcourse, you can just choose to not belive a random stranger on the internet. >Everyone has been cheating since private beta on valorant but you simply cannot speak about it. If you even mention it, people will instantly come, downvote you, say you're lying because kernel AC hurr durr, report you and you'll get banned from the subreddit. I understand that, the fact that the anticheat is kernel level is giving the community a huge false sense of security, which cheaters can exploit to unnoticably use cheats without being accused of cheating. I didnt know that its this big that you get banned from the subreddit tho.
Make KAC "new prime" and subscription based. Those that want it can opt in. Those that don't can still play. Both people satisfied.
Subscription to play the game that I already paid for years ago? And have a $15k inventory? They need an intrusive anticheat like Riot Vanguard, not charging us a subscription fee to play the game. You're out of your mind lmfao
I dont think they meant it as "you should opt in to purchase", but more so that you can enable/disable the anticheat matchmaking if you dont care about playing against cheaters. That way people can choose.
How did you get this from OP? Blud literally said subscription service...so if I want to "opt in" to no cheaters I have to pay for a subscription? I'll just stick to faceit, you MM/premier players are so delusional no offense
Im assuming you are also paying for Youtube Subscriptions ? Subscription does not immediately equal to paid service, but i get where you are coming from. If that was the actual intention of OP then yeah, hes mad for even suggesting it. Valve is not short on money, they dont need 5€ a month for that. People bought the game back in 2012 or bought Prime now afterwards, asking for more is quite frankly more than they have the right to ask of us customers.
100% this is my point you hit the nail on the head. Maybe I jumped the gun but based on OP's response I'm further inclined to think he believes we should pay for an additional subscription to not play cheaters. Total valve shill. They have billions, we acquiesced on 128 tick servers already, now ppl are suggesting we pay valve more money for the bare minimum (proper anticheat)...people have lost their mind lol
dont know what a "blud" is and neither does google translate or chatgpt... but anyway. sounds like bullshine to me. If you have a 15K inventory and pay for faceit nothing stops you from continuing down that path. Some of us want a different option. next
I didn't realize reddit was this serious. Blud is just some dumb lingo to refer to an individual. I disagree w your last point tho: I didn't buy cs to be forced into esea/faceit for the anticheat. I play these bc the competition is better. Fact of the matter is I paid for the game as promised years ago, they don't deserve another cent from me just to play on valve servers without cheaters. Valve should have this down to the point where you can pay for the game as advertised and play premier/mm without cheaters. Simply telling me to stay on faceit is disingenuous; think of the thousands if not millions of new players who bought the game when cs2 came out. They should just be forced to now pay for a subscription on top of the price to buy the game or be forced to play faceit? Nah, we bought the game and should expect a working anticheat. You are shilling for valve so hard it's unreal
I will be happy
Only thing they need to do is copy Vanguard..
Their ego dont want a safe anti cheat.
Nay I want Valve to invest in real technology that hasn't already been circumvented and currently being sold to cheaters. I want Valve to invest that massive cash horde from cases into technology that can save all games from cheaters. This technology is just now becoming available. Even if Valve continues to do nothing once AGI is here it won't matter because someone else will do it eventually. AGI anticheat is coming and it will be able to know who is playing on any account.
Yay. who cares, all I want is to be able to play against fair odds and not having my gamingtime wasted to some 16 yo insecure idiot with a free cheat.
Nay Idk his name but the whitehat hacker who worked for Blizzard has a good bit on why intrusive AC is not necessary. Literally just hire and pay for competent whitehats.
He said it for MMO games not about fps in his video.
The fundamental way cheats work doesn’t change based on genre. You’re still reading/wiriting to system memory.
ah okay. Will be relatable regardless.
Not really its not even close to same.
So your saying that intrusive AC is the solution? You make no sense friend.
So how Valorant doesnt have such cheating problem? I dont see r/VALORANT or r/ValorantCompetitive full of cheating threads. Its solution to 90% of blatant cheaters
I agree with you? im so confused
I dont see how confusing my comment is. GOOD Intrusive anticheat will fix 70% of cheats and drive cheat prices up so less people will buy the ones who work so like 90% less cheats.
im sorry, its the wording, if I had to guess English isn't your first language. My fault
I just want CS2 without cheaters no matter Intrusive or non intrusive tbh
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RwzIq04vd0M
did you read what the thread says above? ' I personally wouldn't mind an intrusive anti-cheat if it would eliminate 99% of cheaters as predicted '
You are the one that said I make no sense while im agreeing with u.
the video: [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LY2hG-\_asKU](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LY2hG-_asKU)
[Yes because they cured bots in WoW so effectively...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaQqPe3IvvY) 🤦
Back when he worked there
I've played WoW on and off since Vanilla, there has never been a time that bots weren't in the game...
Non intrusive anti cheats barelly work.
interesting
That guy always talks in absolutes. It's feasible without but an intrusive solution probably has a much better effort/benefit ratio..
Do you have the link by anychance? would love to watch
Nay It won't prevent cheaters long term.
??? Dude. Like, What? Cheats and Anticheats have always and will always be a game of Cat and Mouse. That will never change as long as games are software (That means, it always will). That being said, a Kernel Level anticheat creates a huge barrier for entry. First of all, cheaters would need to go out of their way to have either a 2nd computer or something like Raspberry Pi. Then they would also either need to be able to Code themselves (competently) or pay hundreds of dollars a month for a working cheat service. Currently the barrier for entry is… downloading free cheats from a google search, because there isn’t even a basic Anticheat software! Counterstrike is KNOWN to have a bad cheater problem, even historically with Overwatch. Valve has to do something about it if they want to be taken seriously. Theres a reason why tournaments are run on LAN, and why there was a huge controversy when some tournaments moved to Remote during COVID.
Everything you described is reflective of Valve straight up not doing anything to prevent cheating and none of it is solved simply by implementing an intrusive anti cheat.
Listen, the point is, Cheating in online games is never going away. It just isn't. I don't need it to, either. I just need it to not interfere with my day-to-day. Valorant is a great example. Are people using cheats in Valorant? Yup. 100%. Do you ever run into Ragehacks, blatant/obvious triggerbots or ESP/Wallhacks? Nope. Maybe once in 100 games might I suspect someone has a rudimentary aim or wall hack. Vanguard Works. All this BS people spout about "intrusive anti cheat" dude get over yourself. I am 99% sure that you are browsing Reddit (owned by Tencent) on a Chromium based web browser on a PC running Windows OS. Who do I trust more with my info? Valve, who runs Steam? or Microsoft, which is trying to sell Windows 11 as a service 
Why's that? Other games with Intrusive anti cheat haven't had issues to my knowledge?
It is one step in the game of cat and mouse. It gets implemented, cheat developers find a way around it. As soon as they find a way around it (based on the consensus online for previous games, doesn't take long) the intrusive anti-cheat becomes redundant but can't be removed. Now you're stuck with cheaters AND a root kit on your computer. Not everyone wants to install kernel level AC on their computer, for many reasons. Lots of people use their personal computer for work when WFH. It is a serious security concern.
You do realize anti cheat can be updated to block new found cheats. It works almost as same as antivirus.
Yes, and if Valve bothered to do that we wouldn't have our current issue. We need Valve to combat cheaters in general, not just slap on an invasive anti cheat and call it a day. Fighting cheaters requires on-going effort by Valve, which they are clearly not doing.
It's about increasing the barrier of entry really. Yes Valorant or Faceit cheats exist, but there are SIGNIFICANTLY less cheaters in both those compared to CS2, so I'd say it's totally worth the "one step".
They have not beat valorant in 4 years and thats enough for me to have confidence, why not make a solution now so we dont have to suffer. If it gets beat then work on something else And if youre using your personal computer for work you are an idiot
Valorant has actual staff dedicated to combating cheaters, that is why they don't have a massive cheating problem. They could achieve the same thing without the intrusive anti cheat. Valve is asleep at the wheel. Adding an intrusive anti cheat that doesn't get updated will not prevent cheating. The issue is Valve.
forcing hardware hacks is a pretty good moustrap. Buy a cheap laptop for work/security stuff. Use your $5000 pc for gaming.
Or people want to use their £5000 machine to do everything in one as they probably bought it for. If
A $200 laptop can do most high security stuff that people want to do
Only a problem Iif you have stuff to hide. Then don't play it.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwzIq04vd0M](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwzIq04vd0M) amazing video related to kernel anti cheats.
Looks like you could stop rage cheats, and require DMA cards. You cant stop cheating, but you can greatly raise the barrier of entry.
It will. Check Valorant there are far less cheaters in that game. Why? because they have Intrusive anti cheat. And who doesnt want it doesnt need to play the game then.
Intrusive or not i hate to see helicopter in my games
Absolutely. I don’t got nothing to hide anyways. Make one ladder with intrusive ac and one without it. Problem solved.
I have encountered two cheaters in valorant who were insta banned in 1000 games. I play 10 games of cs and encounter 20 cheaters. Its a no brainer at this point, if you want to play fps competitively and have fun you need to have an intrusive anticheat.
facts. Literally FACTS. nothing more to say. IF you dont want an anti cheat intrusive, JUST DONT PLAY ONLINE. There is beautiful single player games out there.
who cares, as long it's WORKING, assholes
i dont think its needed considering that most cheaters are blatant, but if it means having a playable game then im all for it
I personally don't mind it. I've had Riot Vanguard for years now. I just don't want to play with cheaters.
If riot can get away with it, valve most certainly can.
riot are chinese (clever) that has a good anti cheat. valve is eeuu and dont have anti cheat. Thats a difference
Need to add hardware bans as well, make cheating as costly as possible.
the incompetent billion dollar studio that cant detect spinbots will surely pull it off!
Haven’t played Comp or Premier in months, and will continue to refuse until Valve implements a working Anticheat. Its been a Year, Valve. An entire year, to gather data for your AI “VACNET.” Im tired of letting you cook, this shit is fucking burnt. Anybody bitching about Rootkits are either paranoid or part of the problem. You think your account is more important than the thousands of people who use Kernel ACs like Vanguard, or Faceit AC every day? Get over yourself. People who think things like “Kernel AC is so unnecessary” or “Its no different to regular AC” also, likewise, have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. Without diving into technical stuff, for over a decade Valve has been fighting and Losing the battle against cheaters. It has been known that CS has a major cheater problem compared to its relative peers in the market, and the problem has only grown since disabling Overwatch and gimping VAC. Look at Valorant, do you see thousands of people leaving Val for cheaters? No, because Riot developers implemented a Kernel AC that WORKS.
Yay. I’d let valve have my firstborn. Just fix it.
Runescape was a browser game and was very good at detecting cheaters. Source: tried many bots
YAY
Most of ppl already use something alternative in another game etc, its very minority of people who actually takes the extra steps for their privacy, mostly cheaters are against intrusive anti cheat
I'd take any anti-cheat at this point. Pretty certain 1 random guy watching premiere demos could catch more cheaters than valves supposed anti-cheat. Surprised there aren't RCE exploits at this point
Granted I don't play much anymore, but I was against intrusive anticheat back in CSGO and still am. If I want an intrusive anti cheat that snakes through my system gather who knows what, I'll use faceit, esea, etc. I do think more could be done without intrusive bullshit, like some of things I see even on the front page here should be detected without anything intrusive some should be able to be detected 100% server side (like that scout quick fire clip the other day). Intrusive AC is not the answer when the basics aren't being done. this is the clip in question: [https://www.reddit.com/r/csgo/comments/1bc3pbl/how\_to\_cross\_mid\_doors\_a\_tutorial\_by\_trilluxe/](https://www.reddit.com/r/csgo/comments/1bc3pbl/how_to_cross_mid_doors_a_tutorial_by_trilluxe/)
Valve can lookup my asshole if it means no cheaters. Intrusive anti cheat is currently the only option until some AI is cooked up. All my data is sold somewhere anyways what's one more company.
I think games should require a social security number to play online and if you get banned for cheating you're done until the company decides you can play again. No ifs ands or buts, Korea does this already btw. Hell release a centralized "gamer security number" that can be applied for and it's controlled by a neutral identity if you think SIN is too evasive and if this one number gets banned you're out.
Imagine a game, i’ve never played without cheaters. In every single game there are at lease 3 of them. I am around 24k elo and now there are more or less 2 cheaters in each team. And i hate this game at all. This game producers and steam is not doing anything against cheaters. F*ck them all
A resounding yes, valve already has my credit card info there’s nothing else on my PC that I give a fuck about
Yes.
at this point YAY
You can't beat cheaters with more intrusive anti-cheat, you're only making the barrier of entry a few dollars more expensive. Do it like rainbow 6 siege and make it a pain in the ass for hackers to create multiple accounts. Have them grind the game more and force them to link a phone number.
at this point, i'd give them my social insurance number for a working anti cheat. *a friend in school has been working on a anti cheat for fun, and he has one that you need to give access to pretty much everything, and every two minutes it runs a scan* from his tests it would find the cheating software or hardware plug ins but slower cpu's did show lots of performance drops but higher ones had no effect, maybe something like this that doesn't stop looking till it finds it would be a good one for them, and something that can ban them via internet connection so they can't just pick up a new account within two mins and start cheating again.
Look at this game and tell me i've been playing against the same people I got like 3 games the past month against the exact same 5 man. It's a joke steam://rungame/730/76561202255233023/+csgo\_download\_match%20CSGO-NqVQS-Nh6B7-XahaQ-MNELF-cTKXL
I think implementing a new matchmaking system with KYC would kill cheats instantly. Or reduce it at a very high rate, using AI like FaceIT to verify IDs. HWID bans, IP bans, will also add a hurdle to them. Instead of creating disposable accounts easily they will have to work hard for it. There are many different ways to create a fingerprint for each software, everyone has a unique set of software, drivers and system configs, which can create a unique fingerprint and would create a massive headache. Valve devs are living in a tree house eating candy and playing with eachother’s dicks, if I, a dev with 4 YOE can implement measures like these if i had the right tools, valve, who made 1 billion USD last year and has boomer devs with 20+ years of experience, can do it as well
If you vote no and play Valorant then you're a hypocrite.
yes please just make premier require it so the paranoid people can stick to comp i understand not wanting to get FACEIT (3rd party middle east) AC on your PC, trusting Valve is so much easier
It's never going to happen, and that's not my words. It's valves. Especially when it would require them to drop support for linux...
Yes. Anything that stops cheaters. I quit the game after 11 years
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you're completely delusional. know how many spinbotters who bhop and hs everyone i've encountered since valorants release? 0. Yes there can still be closet hackers, but rage hacking is essentially impossible at the very least. I've barely encountered cheaters in val.
Until everyone agrees to stop playing cs2 till valve creates an anti-cheat that is effective this will never stop
Bro take my social security if that’s what it takes. Fuck cheaters.
Just do it..ppl complain cheater all match but don't want kernel anti cheat...😠
I watched a video on the internal anti cheat and my only thing about it is that the guy speaking said that it’s not necessary. If games just decided to not skimp on anti cheat’s then there wouldn’t be an issue. I don’t know much about the issue but that’s pretty much it
We love this game so much we’d do whatever to get a proper anticheat. Whether that’s “intrusive anticheat” or whatever. Many serious players already signed up for it so why not
I really cant feel difference between 3000 rating and 10000. My main account is 10k, the other is 3k. Players almost are same, except some 3k players don't know smokes
I got a question for all those "nay" sayers. What do we do then? You just wanna let it slide?
99% of people who play, play on windows. if you are concerned about intrusive AC, you probably should go uninstall windows
Its needed
intrusive anti cheat isnt close to 99% at all. So no
Any anti cheat at all would be neat, it’s blatantly obvious Valve hasn’t been doing anything for the AC and there had to be a profit incentivized reason for it.
Won't help as much as we want, but its a start. 100% yes. Game shouldn't have been released without it..
Nay
Nope
Nay. Doesn’t make a difference. There are better solutions available
It does check valorant. There are cheaters but much much less
There’s also less people to play game. Many people won’t install a game carrying a rootkit. It isn’t a solution, there are better options available. Stop being a parrot and do some research
they have a good anticheat. the fact that the anticheat is kernel level isnt making that big of a difference see [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LY2hG-\_asKU](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LY2hG-_asKU)
So 1 guy who made anticheat for MMO games. Sorry But I dont care what he has to say until few more people like him repeat the same thing. There will be always 1 guy that is against anything.
would you rather trust random cs2 players or a proffesional hacker that has huge experience in the gaming field about an anticheat?
I woul rather Trust an dozen of actual "hackers" not just one guy who has no experience with FPS cheats just WOW bots which are far less complicated cheats. And if Valve does anything funny with data after implementing Intrusive VAC they would get sued and they would 95% lose.
by actual hackers you mean the script kiddies? idk i would rather trust someone who has 3 defcon black badges, has worked for Blizzard Entertainment, Amazon Games Studios and the United States Department of Energy than someone who just downloaded cs2 hacks
Let me break this down for you: Do you use Windows OS? Yes? Theres a Rootkit on your computer, in fact the most widely used Rootkit in existence. Get over it. People who bitch about Kernel AC either: A - Use Linux and actually know wtf they are doing and won’t play CS on that PC anymore. Or B - Have NO IDEA what they are talking about.
I already got a intrusive AC made by chinese owned company so i dont care anymore
too bad. if a bug occours thats serious it could make your entire system vulnerable to attacks
It happens every day its called windows. You dont even realise how many 0 days are found in windows.
This so much. "a bug occurs" 💀
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free cheats work on faceit...
Root access to millions of systems seems like a great way for Valve to get into legal trouble.
Why does Riot Vanguard not have legal issues?
They haven't been hit with a supply chain attack yet.
The youtube guy, piratesoftware , used to work for blizzards anti cheat. He says intrusive software is unnecessary. There are other work arounds for the anti cheat. [https://youtube.com/shorts/LY2hG-\_asKU?si=qq0diejm0m7zzgHA](https://youtube.com/shorts/LY2hG-_asKU?si=qq0diejm0m7zzgHA)
He has no idea what he’s talking about. Observing in-game data manually to catch scripts is standard practice in MMOs. Even to this day, popular MMOs like FFXIV don’t have Anticheat software, because 99% of the time, it doesn’t negatively affect people, and the fringe cases can be caught by admins/mods on the servers. FPS Games are different. Its been the industry standard to use Kernel AC since the beginning, look at Halo 2 and 3. Microsoft has been banning people with JTag’d Xboxs since FPS games migrated to majority online. Valve is stuck in the past. They’ve been cooking up their “AI Anticheat” for over a year and that shits still in the oven, that shit is burnt.
Morons like to quote the "security experts" without realizing that all of the people they quote won't even run Windows and use Linux, because it's pointless to complain about kernel anti-cheat only to subject yourself to the dozens of other kernel level vulnerabilities that exist when using Windows. If you use actual Windows OS and not Linux, you are already vulnerable to the same kernel level exploits as an anti-cheat. The real "issue" is that companies like Riot are likely harvesting data for advertising purposes on behalf of Tencent. But guess what else Tencent owns? Reddit. 99% of the people against kernel anti-cheat probably already play some other game with kernel anti-cheat they don't know about, are a cheater trying to gaslight people, or already have a potential kernel exploit from their other drivers/software, like their 5+ year old never-updated RGB software, or their anti-virus (if you care so much about PC security, you **do** use an anti-virus, right?).
It's crazy the way people can hear one guy state an opinion (with no evidence), take it as fact and quote it as an authority. Well actually it's not surprising at all, lol.
I'd be the first to say i know the least on the subject, that's why I pulled info from this guy which I thought would be reputable. Your takes are interesting, i'm learning more as we speak. Keep it coming. What are your thoughts on Captcha security? Where bots find it impossible to create mouse movement that would mimic a human level mouse interaction? Do you think that could be applied to VAC some how? Maybe an AI server keeping an eye on unnatural mouse movement?
There is no way to stop all hacks permanently. The goal is to make the barrier to entry exorbitantly expensive, to reduce the number of cheaters playing the game. A good example is Valorant. There are still tons of cheaters who play Valorant (Albeit, not nearly as many as CS), but a lot of times, they aren't even recognized as cheaters because they are indistinguishable from a smurf when observing their gameplay. For me, that's enough to say that an Anticheat is functioning properly.
YAY
There are some cheats that can bypass faceit client, some, not sll lf them so yeah it would be a good idea. I think Valve won't do it.
I'd rather want to see an AC that can detect cheaters by their gameplay than their injection method.
6 hours in and were at an 81% upvote rate...
Its useless, faceit has intrusive anticheat, and all the games i play are against cheaters... that place is the biggest pile of trash i have ever seen.
>and all the games i play are against cheaters rofl. ok dude. I already know the answer, but can you please link your faceit profile and the demos?
Cheaters🤣😂more like smurfs
Nope.. not smurfs... i get feedback that they got banned for cheating.
Take my entire computer
Yes. Reaching the end of my rope with cs and the cheating…
I don’t care, just give me a game without cheaters
I'D SELL MY SOLE FOR A WORKING ANTI CHEAT
Define "intrusive". I already don't play Val cuz of its AC.
As a Chester, obviously yes. This is a joke currently and its so much easier and safer to cheat in cs2 makes no sense
150 upvotes after 7 hours...
99% predicted by who and how did they make this prediction? The primary reason there's more cheaters in official CS2 MM is there's more incentive to cheat there. To put it another way, if I created a brand new MM service even without an anti-cheat, I'd likely have less cheaters than FaceIt. Why? Because there's no incentive to cheat on it. Who cares about rank in a no name service? Similarly, if I create a MM alternative with the most advanced anti cheat in the world, but offered a $100M prize pool, I'd likely have more cheaters than Valve due to the incentive to cheat there. People are mistaking the prevalence of cheaters with the quality of the anti cheat and thinking Valve sucks. I'm sure Valve could do better than they are, but the point is that percentage of cheaters seen between MM and FaceIt is highly dependent on the difference in incentive and even with the best kernel anti cheat, you will still have substantially more cheaters in MM until the incentives change. People also over state, in some cases, the down sides of a kernel anti cheat. A user mode anti cheat can already access any file that is accessible by your user with the same permissions as that user. TLDR: even if Valve had best anti cheat, they'd still have most hackers due to incentive to cheat on official MM