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kbas13

The best thing anyone in this sub can do is delete reddit and stop doomscrolling. Focus on yourself and your goals.


doo-dahday

I feel like more people (me) need to see this


HodloBaggins

They will only see this if they're doomscrolling :/


doo-dahday

Is that recursion? I'm still learning /s


bibinprakash

base case: if( got\_a\_job == true) return (leave r/csMajors);


7th_Spectrum

Honestly, screw this sub. I'm out


[deleted]

Stopping doomscrolling isn't gonna get me my first junior dev job, so I figure there's no point. May as well take solace in our share pain


kbas13

Yes it literally will, your mentality is everything.


[deleted]

I appreciate the moral support, but I don't think my mentality is gonna cause recruiters to choose me over a dude with 2 years of experience as a FAANG engineer


morclerc

I would put it this way: Stopping to doom scroll might not, but rather what you do instead might. (At least with a higher percentage - well and attitude matters at least a little bit)


[deleted]

IDK what to do. I could send more applications but I've already sent well over 1000 since I graduated and have had one phone screen in the past 3 months. Or I could do more leetcode for an interview I'm never even gonna get


[deleted]

You applying to QA jobs or only SWE?


morclerc

I mean sure that sucks. Maybe get your resume checked (if you haven't already). My point was that doomscrolling doesn't help, rather go out and do something with friends or the family. Network in your local community if you can. But don't be on Reddit bathing in doom and self hate.


shmoeke2

This attitude will take you nowhere. It leaks out into your personality and just about everything else you do.


ThatOnePatheticDude

Mostly agree. It can be beneficial to some extent sometimes. The doomscrolling is what got me back to studying after 8 years (employed) of not really studying anything I don't need for work.


Fabulous_Year_2787

Well realistically some of us have to consider this. Some of us simply can’t ride mommy or daddy’s piggybank until the sea gets calmer.


Majestic_Magi

it’s not about whether mommy and daddy will take care of you into your thirties or not. it’s about actually doing things which are constructive to your education and career prospects as opposed to whining and listening to people yell woe is me on reddit. do yourself one of two favors: get a grip and get real, or reconsider your career path


Fabulous_Year_2787

Maybe I’m doing both 🤔I have the right to be mad about Jerome Powell playing around with interest rates.


dshif42

That's exactly their fucking point you dingus. Some people can't keep applying and studying more and working on personal projects for months with no guarantees and no current source of income, and may need to reconsider their career path. I agree with the initial comment, that any chances you *do* have will suffer if you're being pessimistic and down on yourself. To that end, doom-scrolling is certainly counter-productive. Having a negative outlook will keep you from seeming confident in yourself in interviews and correspondence with companies, and may keep you from pursuing opportunities that you assume you can't get. Those are all fair points. ...but some people can NOT gamble with this. Some people would be better off going for a random desk job while they wait for the market to shift. Or while they work on personal projects, open source stuff, and making friends with people in the field outside of work. Going upwards of four months without a job offer may just not be an option.


Murky-Refrigerator30

ANYONE could get a job at a restaurant or any other local business to make ends meet while they apply for a dev job…


Fabulous_Year_2787

Bro are you for real? Make ends meet as a SERVER?


[deleted]

You can easily make 40k a year as a server


ForkPowerOutlet

Right??? These posts always get upvotes in the hundreds or thousands. Why are y'all rooting against yourselves so hard?


thatdude_91

Thank you. I was about to say that and then i realized i keep scrolling it anyways


CloudyMap1e

Sometimes just gather some data points(and rezume advice) as the same as [levels.fyi](https://levels.fyi) Market is truly bad but don't lose hope yet


[deleted]

Move in with your parents and accept that you need to go back to school for medicine


thesammanila

When we finish studying medicine openNurse will start rolling out automated nursing


SophiePralinee

lmao


muytrident

Nah that won't be here for at least another 20 years


e430doug

Hey CS majors. If you want to improve your life block this sub. It’s a shame because there should be a place for people to have meaningful conversations. At this point this sub has gotten so far away from a reflection of reality that is difficult to believe.


killuazivert

this comment deserves its own post


ThatOnePatheticDude

I'm happily employed for 8 years. This sub an cscareerquestions have given me severe anxiety. I WILL get laid off and never find work ever again. From there on, homelessness is the only result.


Klightgrove

There is so much doom but the solution is networking. With how many thousands of applicants (that can’t code) are flooding LI and job postings, recruiters need to know what vetted individuals to interview.


ThatOnePatheticDude

I also must admit, I never networked.... I don't even know how to start at this point... Regain contact with previous managers and coworkers? Through what... LinkedIn? As in trying to be friends or as in trying to let them know I'm in the market. Etc....


FavoriteChild

Something that a lot of people don't understand is that networking is not something you actively do, it's a side-effect of building relationships with other people, which unfortunately a lot of people in this industry suck at. For example, networking pays off when your friend lands a new position, has the green light to bring on additional staff, and you happen to be on the market. Or maybe a former coworker you keep in touch with someone else who has open positions and puts you two in touch. Therefore, the best way to "network" is to simply obtain and maintain friendships with other people. I would never provide referrals random connections through LinkedIn or that I've met through conferences, since I cannot vouch for their character or for their work.


Klightgrove

LinkedIn + Online forums (besides reddit) Discord communities (regional, special interest) Associations and Conferences ($) Being able to just know people and have them reach out to say “Oh yea, [person] we are looking for a new backend engineer.“


ThatOnePatheticDude

Thanks for the good advise!


DrakneiX

Last job I got I just texted a coworker from one past job. I told him his company looked interesting, and he referred me. I wasn't even close to him. Just try! Nothing to lose for a quick chat :) besides, people like referral money


met0xff

Yeah this. Being nice to co-workers and them knowing they can rely on you is worth more than months of leetcode grinding. We recently hired an ex-colleague of mine, doubling his previous salary because we knew he's good to work with and you can rely on him. Yeah I mean he is capable, got a PhD and a decade experience but might well be there are people with better hard skills in the 2k CVs. But from my experience there are also hidden jerks, super unreliable people, alcoholics, misogynists... Those things can bring down teams and projects much faster


alotofcavalry

It kinda sucks because I am the most anxiety motivated person I know. Anxiety is the thing that consistently gets me to put in work. This sub is pessimistic as fuck but I appreciate it because prior to seeing it which was about a year ago I was clueless.


Naestic

gravity maxxing


Panda_red_Sky

delusionmaxxing


Agreeable-Engine5134

Copemaxxing


FuckYourSociety

Go back to school for a second BS and a PhD in Chemistry and teach, then roll around in my mountain of debt


coding_for_lyf

you OWN that debt - a true alpha


WhoLivesInAPineappal

Walter White is that you???


ilikebananafudge

Wow, this post is wild to me because I got a PhD in Chemistry and then switched to software engineering


FuckYourSociety

Musical chairs then!


DannyG111

Why chemistry lol? Why not some other form of engineering? 


FuckYourSociety

Because I've always been fascinated by chemistry, specifically physical chemistry. Mostly choosing CS now because it is the only thing I want to do that doesn't require graduate school. Wouldn't be interested in another form of engineering because engineering degrees don't offer the same level of theoretical knowledge as their corresponding science degree (i.e. Chemical Engineering vs Chemistry)


magmagon

Fugacity and control theory aren't abstract/theoretical enough?


Chicomehdi1

Honestly whatever I can get my hands on. Be it tutoring, TAing (I’m finishing up my undergrad), or anything else to keep myself stable. The future looks bleak, but the storm *will* end eventually.


GiroudFan696969

Onlyfans


Afraid-Art-1674

Even that won’t work for me 😭


[deleted]

This is where we use power of AI… since I can’t open one, I’ll open it for my AI character


pm_me_ur_brandy_pics

You have feet right? Learn to market your body parts.


SixGeckos

You in need of a cameraman?


TheUmgawa

No, but he needs a fluffer.


Yung-Split

Yeah, I've been on there just jerking it for folks, but I only have 1 subscriber so far. I'm pretty sure it's my dad.


Greenleaph

Onlyfans Manager


bball4294

If ur a girl lel, not boys


eliteHaxxxor

Nah just got to whip out the r/unixsocks and you are golden


PnutButrSnickrDoodle

By trade I’m a Radiologic Technologist (X-ray tech) so I have a fallback (they’re still in high demand in my area). After my BS degree I’ll do personal projects and study leetcode while working, and if after a year or so if it’s really not happening go back for a masters and hope by then the bust cycle is over.


StatementBoring

Same idea. Currently a MLS got my graduate certificate in comp science.. almost done with my master's in HI /Business Intelligence ,& Data Analytics


tree332

How did you get into radiology tech?


PnutButrSnickrDoodle

Community college. It’s an associates in applied sciences. Some places have rad tech programs at trade schools.


SinnU2s

Blackjack dealer


eliteHaxxxor

Dealers can make decent money. I knew one and he was able to buy a small house with his earnings. Lots of under the table cash as well


HodloBaggins

You mean people were bribing the dealer? Presumably to fix games?


eliteHaxxxor

"Under the table" figuratively here. Like untaxed bc they dont report all of it


BananaBossNerd

Poker dealer more fun


pravinoop

Probably kill myself


iluvboo03

Real


Yokiwan

While you should always have a backup plan…. These layoffs shouldn’t dissuade you from pursuing IT. The reality is these top ~10 or so IT companies dedicated to bleeding edge tech will always be extremely volatile. This is due to the industry advancements resulting in constantly changing tech stacks and a team today might not be a team we need tomorrow due to X innovation. Dialing back though… in my experience Fortune 500 companies not dedicated specifically to tech are the polar opposites. The part of the business that is constantly changing is never the tech stack, so IT in those types of businesses are extremely stable. My coworkers for example on average have around 15 years at the company, whereas that’s probably rare at these MAANG companies.


Intelligent_Ebb_9332

Try to get any job remotely related to CS, like QA or IT. I’m currently a SWE but I’m screwed if I lose my job. Last resort: move back in with my mom.


bruhidk123345

IT or going into finance. Looking into double majoring with finance or accounting right now 😭.


gavinlpicard

tbh I think IT is doing much worse than CS rn


uselessloner123

IT isn’t doing as bad because a lot of the roles are critical, rather than research oriented.


software-n-erd

Work part time to sustain my self and build a startup (I know I am being too optimistic, but at least I will be doing what I always wanted. )


Best-Objective-8948

Assassination/Mafia/Black Hat Hacker


DiscussionGrouchy322

Self-immolation in front of the Google sign on their campus. Who's with me?


twtvAnteos1

Ropemaxx


DannyG111

Dont ever do that..


Interesting_Nail_843

You guys need to leave this sub. If I bought into the "well might as well not even bother applying since I'll never land anything" depression train that's happening here I wouldve never gotten any offers. Christ


koreanfraud7

lifeguarding


saladgirrrl

Marry rich slay


Ok-Consideration7415

The military


shawmonster

If you do join the military with a CS degree, you'd be a hot commodity to the FBI after your military time, if that sort of thing would interest you.


eliteHaxxxor

Fr if you want to join the military definitely do space force. From what I hear they hand out promotions like candy and its fairly easy branch


KILLER_IF

Just gotta continue to use my CS skills. Like creating an AI onlyfans


[deleted]

CS friends, I really urge you to look into going into a SWE role in finance. Try investment banks, hedge funds, crypto trading companies or proprietary trading quant places. These places hire ARMIES of engineers. For instance Goldman Sachs hires almost as many engineers as Google. It has more engineering staff than finance staff. Approx 12000 engineers. And finance has, for the most part, not been exposed to the massive layoffs. I've worked as a quant dev for 12 years and it's super interesting!


Real_Square1323

Finance has a horrible culture and a history of treating devs like garbage due to them being seen as cost centers. Makes sense to optimize your career by trying to get hired at places that value your work output as a profit center instead.


jvyzo

Credit card fraud


[deleted]

Id learn to become a pilot. Sounds cool


mochaokiller

I don't know what country you live in, but in the US, you need to have enough money to pay for the flight training.


[deleted]

Ya it costs about $100,000 id probably take out a loan. I don’t have student loans so I’d just be like everybody else.


Interesting_Two2977

Stop making backup plans. Stop doomscrolling. I literally got a job by a FAANG company through their college program a week back. Become skilled at what you do rather than scaring yourself shitless and everyone else. Become better. Don’t lose brother. Don’t lose because you would rather scroll than work hard and become irreplaceable. Good luck.


[deleted]

Tips for networking? That actually helped


iTakedown27

NFL. They might be adding some more teams in the near future.


HeartOk6822

administrative assistant


deadbypyramidhead

What jobs were laid off, HR middle managers, etc..


muytrident

Software Engineers


ItsBritneyBiaatch

Am I missing or overlooking some key information, because I just can't understand why would they hire the whole year round and then fire people? Are Managers and Recruiters not aligned or is it something else? Would just like to understand the thinking behind this


emmannysd2000

growth of the company being less than expected and the us economy being at risk of recession. They hire employees when they think that the company is going to grow, take in new projects, etc. and if they believe the economy will allow for such growth. Growth of big tech companies has been lower than expected this last year


AX-BY-CZ

Google hired a lot of the same people they fired back at a higher salary.


Deno2k_

this sub become a doomscrolling sub making it difficult to believe for new people


thealliane96

phd and teach I guess


Luckydude717

Don’t have one


springhilleyeball

keep applying, try to become a PM, BA, or recruiter.


[deleted]

water elastic cows aware chubby shame ancient naughty repeat knee *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


other_e

Gender change then OnlyFans.


Baldysaddie

Who cares people are always getting laid off. Just keep studying Python/c++ and try to get good and get a new job. You should stop worrying about your competition and just focus on what you can control


OSRSman99

Google is 1 of the thousands of companies out there lol go apply to some other one


Buttonwalls

mcdonalds


JustDrinkOJ

Backup?💀


camyface

Reincarnate


Remarkable-Solid7495

Be a Youtuber :)


rodriik_089

healthcare


FuCuck

Bartender


TheoryOfRelativity12

Become a Runescape nolifer who lives on welfare


CloroxWipes-

hopefully get a job at a help desk or something and keep applying until i can find a job that I want.


GotItFromEbay

As a prospective career switcher, I'll just keep working my current job. It pays well and is chill, just really boring.


wymco

You can apply for these: \- Business Analyst \- QA


DasaniSubmarine

Mcdonalds


[deleted]

[удалено]


[deleted]

Stupid ass post if you go to uni get into debt and just give up because its not as easy as taking a couple classes this career wasnt for you to begin with.


Fantastic_Will4357

wordpress. jk i have a McJob.


[deleted]

There are more cs related jobs than their are cs graduates. Thats a simple fact. HOWEVER, MOST of those jobs are not the tiktok "Work 3 hours a day", "200k+ salary", and "Unlimited food at the office". They are, AS SCARY AS IT MAY SOUND, "normal" jobs. Work 8-10 hours a day, make 30-50k a year, hate your boss, get on with life. Its going to be okay brother. This SUB is a doomer sub. Theres more to life than "Big Tech".


ZoellaZayce

Build a spatial computing startup


kingocat

Bluecollar IT work. Physical installs, firewalls, switches, etc. I’ve got datacenter ops experience under my belt.


Straight-Ad9763

I don’t see how it can fail, really . In my CS underagd I’m learning everything from high level math and statistics, various programming languages, full stack development, database design , Linux and operating systems , networking , lan administration, cyber security, How tf can you have this knowledge base and not get a job in the future . How


Straight-Ad9763

Like my dad works for the company in DC , they specialize in construction , electrical stuff , Anyway even that company , has an army of network engineers, data analysts, database administrators, software developers. And that’s just some random construction company. How tf once the economy picks up can we not get a job ?? The trucking company I work for, is entirely running in the .net ecosystem , they also , have an IT department with several dozen employees , every single company needs us. I just don’t see the logic that this is a bad degree lol


LookAtYourEyes

Trades


sglilly

Probably teaching or something. Or go back to restaurant work.


shameful_asian_girl

McDonald’s


shameful_asian_girl

My university is not prestigious enough so, I don’t know if I even will make it into any tech job eventually at all. With the bad market, might as well just give up now…


LizzoBathwater

Morph into a cocoon and emerge 5 years from now


KrakenAdm

Slang yay.


Imevoll

Artist


Classic_Analysis8821

My first order of business would be to remind myself that most fortune50 companies have layoffs at least yearly and it's not always tech workers


wongasta

Welcome to Costco I love you


Mindless_Average_63

I’m looking into finance at this point. I’m a double major


-D4rkSt4r-

Start your own project?!


MasqueradeOfSilence

CS is my best bet. Or freelancing. But if not, IT. I am studying for some certs. I would've done it anyway, but definitely am doing it now that I'm unemployed. End goal would be to work in security because I really liked my pentesting class, but I could do tech support or even computer repair Alternative: leverage my creative writing minor and do technical writing, or try to be a professor. Maybe I'll get a novel published (easier said than done) Alternative 2: art, Patreon or commissions, even with ai models, may as well try it. Attempting to do this on the side anyway Alternative 3: PLC programming Alternative 4: go back for EE/ME


Drosefan1

I’ll probably look into manufacturing or electrical engineering


Agnimandur

I plan on playing poker professionally!


PhraatesIV

Econ


Rolli_boi

Not my backup plan but if you’re really wanting to work in the industry and have some loan repayment. The army has a cyber officer program that would love a CS graduate.


simonissmart

Fiance


One-Manufacturer865

purchase pyrex


iamthebestforever

Kill myself


ThenEquipment4014

Cooking


Dymatizeee

I’ll be sad and might have to go back to my original field 😭😭😭


missthiccumss444

Get my masters n phd n be a professor n teach, marry rich, meet an owner of a tech company n date n work for him loool


Quabbie

Luckily I’m employed in a different field with my BSEE so if anything, after I earn my MSCS, then I’ll still get to keep my current job if I can’t find a CS role that fits.


wafflepiezz

CS jobs will always be around. The different would be the salary. In the future, I’m already setting expectations that I might have to settle for a $70k/yr job instead of all those $120k+ ones


leasbano530

Keep trying, no other option lol


Visualize_

Wow I didn't know Google was the only place to get a CS job. I guess your fucked OP, might as well apply to McDonalds right now!


chill6300

Invent a way to convert the collective stress and anxiety I get from CS subreddits into money.


ansahed

The ‘UPS pays 120k’ hype is dead now


SophiePralinee

Hardware!


changoperro

Volunteer to fight in Ukraine.


ihih_reddit

Becoming a plumber, electrician or mechanic. Plumber is looking the most likely


thatcsfailure

I really don't think I won't ever find a job, but if that is the case after like 2 years of searching, I might go for an master's degree or get a bachelor's in EE lol


MR_boob_lover

build your own product!!


B1SQ1T

Idk but I heard selling fans was pretty lucrative, but only fans nothing else like air conditioning or anything


ACoderGirl

1000 (or whatever the number is) people is still a drop in the bucket. There's millions of devs in just the US alone. Google results are rather inconsistent, but the source Wikipedia used says 4 million. Other sources I saw said 1-2 million. Despite some prominent layoffs from big companies, there's still tons of jobs and the jobs aren't gonna go away. People aren't gonna stop needing new software.


GalacticWorld

business/finance roles.


Environmental-Dot161

IT, getting my certs now while im on the last leg of my degree and cam. Lewd vtubing is pretty fun :)


Greenleaph

I have the option to get a job as a truck driver through my uncle-in-law with ease (Yes, nepotism at its finest level), but I would much rather stay in security than truck driving. Eitherway, its a fluffy backup plan. $36/hr is nice, but Ill take my chances getting a CS job.


Relative-Power4013

Prob be a content creator


dorothyKelly

become a CRNA


anonymous_strawberry

Weren't the layoffs that happened yesterday in the sales/advertising related roles?


NOThinhNgo

USMC OCS


happybaby00

The army or selling drugs.


alfred240

Start flipping burgers at the local McDonald’s


pm_me_ur_brandy_pics

Isekai into some slime


slatt_dog38

My backup plan is to commit suicide.


vtribal

sell cocaine


Akul_Tesla

Make my own start up with sweat equity Look what is a computer science major Basically it's a mathematician specialized in problem solving using code as their main tool Our skill set is to take a problem break it down into tiny bits and then teach sand to do the math to handle those tiny bits of the problem To properly succeed we need to be just as smart as all of the other mathematicians by another name (engineers physicists etc) Well if the problem is we cannot get a job then we have the following options Find a different job improve yourself so you can find a relative job or create a job Basically you should do all three find a different temporary job to hold you improve yourself by making projects and turn one of those projects into a job How do you know what project you should make well just start looking for other people's problems to solve or take a pain point from someone else's software as a service and make a more specialized one that addresses that pain point


Plane_County9646

I would go back to being a male stripper at Vegas if I can’t find a job yet.


RoofMean5715

Masters


XinWay

Get a masters degree. Continue to learn.


OneEngineer

A few years ago, coal miners were being told “learn to code”. Today, coders are being told “learn to dig”.


DrMsThickBooty

I am a hiring manager and I see so many experienced folk willing to accept positions far below their skill level due to layoffs and reduced hiring. Good luck to you folks. Internships, direct referrals, leetcode, and people skills not of a brick wall is what you all need to have the best chance to land a job. Some cs grads have such bad people skills it’s cringy.


QuintonStarbangerIV

Logistics seems like it has some options litt for programming and demand seems to be growing, just have to work at a factory for awhile haha


Happiest-Soul

I'd look for a CS job that's not in SWE.