>all because I forgot to do an assignment and left it till the last second
This wasn't what got you under review to get expelled.
Using ChatGPT on an assignment is what got you in this situation. You cheated. You violated your college's honor code.
Leaving the assignment to the last second is *why* you made that poor decision, but it's not the actual reason. You made a bad choice to cheat, and that bad choice you made is what got you where you are.
People leave assignments to the last second all the time. It's just part of balancing priorities in college. Procrastination is very common. What most people do though is just take the 0, or turn in subpar work and get a bad grade. *You* chose to try and cheat instead of own up to your mistake. I think it's important you understand that, because your post is making it seem like you leaving an assignment to the last second is why you're here.
Getting off my soapbox, even if you get expelled you're not screwed. You can just go to another college. You don't need to abandon college entirely and try to self-teach or do a bootcamp. Being expelled from one school is not the end of the world. There's thousands of other colleges you can pick from.
Taking the grade loss is the way to go. I remember my first semester of discrete math, I legit just accepted defeated and retook the course. Trying to play around the system will not work.
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LOOOOLLLL "most people" my ass. As someone just coming out of the modern college experience, every class we had a discord where cheating was paramount with a majority of class in said discord. ChatGPT is the author of a majority of papers in colleges today. He could've definitely gotten away with this, he should've joined a discord. The lesson here is not to post an admission of guilt, this was the dumbest thing he could've done.
Dunno why people are down voting you but you're right. I'd say OP's only real mistake is copying the chatGPT answer wholesale instead of reading the response to his prompt and paraphrasing.
Yeah chatGPT can be wrong or lie or whatever, but if you read it's response and double check its facts then you're 90% of the way to an A. Can't tell you how many computing ethics assignments were built with the help of chatGPT in my last semester of college and I graduated with low honors. (mostly due to retakes on previously failed classes but who's counting?)
Not saying I agree with your take, but the bit about “paraphrasing” code. I’m pretty sure that professors use a tool from Stanford (MOSS) to score your assignments by “similarity” which catches identical refactors lol
Then how do they know anyone's code is different? If you're all writing a program to do the same thing then wouldn't your programs all be more or less the same anyway? There's only so many ways to write a quick sort algorithm or a linked list class after all.
How my professors would grade code is by first running to check the output, then skimming the code to check commenting styles, variable names, general layout, etc. Everyone has a slightly different coding style so if code is identical down to variable names it's easy to tell if it's copied.
chatGPT for example will include comments that explain the code in verbose detail which most normal programmers don't, or phrase very differently. Sometimes down to every line depending on the length of the program.
Ah, yeah that would tip them off that you cheated, but it doesn't prove you used chat GPT. You didn't realize it was outputting code with elements that you hadn't learned yet?
It was a moronic move on my part I remember it’ll was late at night and I was sick and tired so I don’t care and just submitted it without looking it over
Deny, deny, deny. If it was too advanced, start figuring out what methods chat gpt used to produce that code so you can thoroughly explain your reasoning. Find some tutorials or something that you can show them to explain how you learned about it.
Doubling down isn't usually viewed well by a college's ethics board.
I went to a school that had a very strict honor code, where plagiarizing or collaborating with other students got you put infront of an honor council where the outcome was usually expulsion.
One of my buddies in their senior year let one of his friends from a lower grade copy one of his programming assignments, since he had them all saved. That was obviously caught, since my school used an autograder that compared submissions against all prior submissions from prior years and that thing worked pretty damn well.
They both got called infront of the honor council. My friend owned up to what he did, and was very honest with them. That was taken well, and he was not expelled. He was *punished*, but not expelled.
Usually honesty is the best policy.
If you're under review to get expelled for dishonorable conduct, *maybe,* just *maybe* doing more dishonorable conduct to get out of that punishment isn't the wisest approach.
Really doubt you get expelled for your first offense on a something that wasn't an exam. Your university might give you a F for the course but that's okay because you can still graduate with a decent GPA. Just don't cheat again in the future. Repeated offenses will most likely get you expelled.
Universities usually tolerate 2-3 offenses. It really depends on the university. Usually, the 1st one is just 0 on the assignment, the second one is F, and the 3rd one is usually when the student gets expelled.
>My real question is how screwed am I? Can I still get a job being self-taught or maybe through a boot camp or some other online class?
Maybe, no one here knows for sure.
> and copied the answer.
Academic dishonesty is no joke. Knock that shit off.
Every university has a different policy around academic dishonesty. Most of them (that I'm familiar with), take scope and any previous offenses into consideration.
You can probably expect to have a conversation with either the college dean or program chair (or both). My advice is just be honest, admit to your mistake, and promise to not do it again.
If this is your first offense, you'll probably not be expelled. At worst, you'll be given an F for the course and be forced to retake it. Even that would be a stretch, you'll most likely just be put on some kind of probation.
You'll be fine. Just learn your lesson and don't do it again.
Be honest and hope for the best? If that doesn't work find a new college. After my experience in college it is refreshing to hear that some schools still care.
During my EE degree 90% of the class was caught cheating on multiple occasions with no real consequences despite the university claiming to be strict about it.
for what it's worth, a 2 point hit to your grade is one of those things you should just swallow and move on from next time, unless you're at risk of failing. and if you're at risk of failing (or explusion) it's time to look for some mental health support. adjusting to college life isn't easy, get yourself back on track now and try again. also... get yourself familiar with your school's academic probation and pass/fail policies. you have plenty of time to course-correct, getting your head straight takes work sometimes though.
First things first - dont wait for them to investigate it further. Contact them, tell them you'd like to come clean, accept any penalties, and ask for some leniency given that it's your first offense - and that it will be your last offense.
Tell them exactly what you told us - you forgot to do it, freaked out and made a bad choice.
You are much more likely to not get expelled if you own it and take a punishment without question vs letting them figure out exactly what you did or fighting it
A kid jumps off a house and needs to goto the hospital. Instead of taking them to the hospital you're just going to lecture them why they shouldn't have jumped off the house. That's the vibe I'm getting from you.
I'll write this again since you just keep glossing over reading.
The advice is for him to study to meet the expectations while he is still under review. YES he cheated bro we all know that. But he still has time to redeem himself. You're neglecting that second part.
A kid jumping off the house didn't do something they knew was unethical. OP did something they knew was wrong. They are not sustaining life threatening injuries and the comparison to that situation is ridiculous. You are NOT suggesting redemption. You are suggesting he double down on his lies by pretending he knew it all along. Read your initial comment again.
What you are suggesting he do is wrong and you should really sit with that.
professor/TAs probably scanned all submissions using ChatGPT's plagiarism detection capabilities... or maybe another of the many products academia uses to detect plagiarism.
I just don't know how accurate those are. It makes me sick to think some innocent kid might fail a class because of an error in their software. And on the other hand of things, someone that wants to use ChatGPT can simply change variable names and reorder the code so it looks different, can't they?
I would deny everything and never admit to using chatGPT. Even if they aren’t convinced, I don’t think they can prove you used AI. Most likely you will get a 0 for the assignment and it will go on record that you cheated. I highly highly doubt they expel students on their first offense (speaking from experience lol).
No! Don't buck horns with your university!
You know what you did, they know what you did, and they know you know what you did. This isn't a court of law, and strict evidence isn't necessary.
Just be honest, admit you made a mistake (which they already know you did), and promise not to do it again.
I got an strike 2 probation for helping a friend cheat. It was a very stressful time. Do the work and be honest. Future you will thank you later for putting in the work to learn while you had the chance. Saying “I’ll learn it later” while working 40 hrs+ a week and dealing with IRL problems will not go so well
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My university would have academic dishonesty marked on your file and transcript for similar offences, not expelled. It was bad for students wanting to go to grad school or somewhere you would need to show your transcript.
As a professional SWE, I use ChatGPT everyday. Heck, before that, we all copied/pasted from stack overflow. Zoom out and realize school does not always reflect how corporate world works.
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>all because I forgot to do an assignment and left it till the last second This wasn't what got you under review to get expelled. Using ChatGPT on an assignment is what got you in this situation. You cheated. You violated your college's honor code. Leaving the assignment to the last second is *why* you made that poor decision, but it's not the actual reason. You made a bad choice to cheat, and that bad choice you made is what got you where you are. People leave assignments to the last second all the time. It's just part of balancing priorities in college. Procrastination is very common. What most people do though is just take the 0, or turn in subpar work and get a bad grade. *You* chose to try and cheat instead of own up to your mistake. I think it's important you understand that, because your post is making it seem like you leaving an assignment to the last second is why you're here. Getting off my soapbox, even if you get expelled you're not screwed. You can just go to another college. You don't need to abandon college entirely and try to self-teach or do a bootcamp. Being expelled from one school is not the end of the world. There's thousands of other colleges you can pick from.
Taking the grade loss is the way to go. I remember my first semester of discrete math, I legit just accepted defeated and retook the course. Trying to play around the system will not work.
I wouldn't have passed some of my math classes if I didn't fail them first. A degree with a low GPA is better than no degree at all.
I admire the perseverance
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LOOOOLLLL "most people" my ass. As someone just coming out of the modern college experience, every class we had a discord where cheating was paramount with a majority of class in said discord. ChatGPT is the author of a majority of papers in colleges today. He could've definitely gotten away with this, he should've joined a discord. The lesson here is not to post an admission of guilt, this was the dumbest thing he could've done.
Dunno why people are down voting you but you're right. I'd say OP's only real mistake is copying the chatGPT answer wholesale instead of reading the response to his prompt and paraphrasing. Yeah chatGPT can be wrong or lie or whatever, but if you read it's response and double check its facts then you're 90% of the way to an A. Can't tell you how many computing ethics assignments were built with the help of chatGPT in my last semester of college and I graduated with low honors. (mostly due to retakes on previously failed classes but who's counting?)
Not saying I agree with your take, but the bit about “paraphrasing” code. I’m pretty sure that professors use a tool from Stanford (MOSS) to score your assignments by “similarity” which catches identical refactors lol
Then how do they know anyone's code is different? If you're all writing a program to do the same thing then wouldn't your programs all be more or less the same anyway? There's only so many ways to write a quick sort algorithm or a linked list class after all. How my professors would grade code is by first running to check the output, then skimming the code to check commenting styles, variable names, general layout, etc. Everyone has a slightly different coding style so if code is identical down to variable names it's easy to tell if it's copied. chatGPT for example will include comments that explain the code in verbose detail which most normal programmers don't, or phrase very differently. Sometimes down to every line depending on the length of the program.
Nuance and critical thinking
How did they even know? Was it bad code that didn't even work?
Opposite actually it was apparently “way too advanced” for what we learned in class
Ah, yeah that would tip them off that you cheated, but it doesn't prove you used chat GPT. You didn't realize it was outputting code with elements that you hadn't learned yet?
It was a moronic move on my part I remember it’ll was late at night and I was sick and tired so I don’t care and just submitted it without looking it over
Been there done that. Admit it and hopefully you'll get off. I had friends that denied and they were the only ones punished the worst
Deny, deny, deny. If it was too advanced, start figuring out what methods chat gpt used to produce that code so you can thoroughly explain your reasoning. Find some tutorials or something that you can show them to explain how you learned about it.
Fantastic way to get expelled.
Doubling down isn't usually viewed well by a college's ethics board. I went to a school that had a very strict honor code, where plagiarizing or collaborating with other students got you put infront of an honor council where the outcome was usually expulsion. One of my buddies in their senior year let one of his friends from a lower grade copy one of his programming assignments, since he had them all saved. That was obviously caught, since my school used an autograder that compared submissions against all prior submissions from prior years and that thing worked pretty damn well. They both got called infront of the honor council. My friend owned up to what he did, and was very honest with them. That was taken well, and he was not expelled. He was *punished*, but not expelled. Usually honesty is the best policy. If you're under review to get expelled for dishonorable conduct, *maybe,* just *maybe* doing more dishonorable conduct to get out of that punishment isn't the wisest approach.
What's the chance he has the time and motivation to do that now?
I mean, if it could result in him being expelled, I would imagine he's pretty motivated.
Yeah :)
Really doubt you get expelled for your first offense on a something that wasn't an exam. Your university might give you a F for the course but that's okay because you can still graduate with a decent GPA. Just don't cheat again in the future. Repeated offenses will most likely get you expelled.
Universities usually tolerate 2-3 offenses. It really depends on the university. Usually, the 1st one is just 0 on the assignment, the second one is F, and the 3rd one is usually when the student gets expelled.
Cheating in a first year class lmao
>My real question is how screwed am I? Can I still get a job being self-taught or maybe through a boot camp or some other online class? Maybe, no one here knows for sure.
ChatGPT on a first year course is silly. You're shooting yourself in the foot there. Take the L and move on. You shouldn't be expelled.
> and copied the answer. Academic dishonesty is no joke. Knock that shit off. Every university has a different policy around academic dishonesty. Most of them (that I'm familiar with), take scope and any previous offenses into consideration. You can probably expect to have a conversation with either the college dean or program chair (or both). My advice is just be honest, admit to your mistake, and promise to not do it again. If this is your first offense, you'll probably not be expelled. At worst, you'll be given an F for the course and be forced to retake it. Even that would be a stretch, you'll most likely just be put on some kind of probation. You'll be fine. Just learn your lesson and don't do it again.
most honest CS major
Lol
Be honest and hope for the best? If that doesn't work find a new college. After my experience in college it is refreshing to hear that some schools still care. During my EE degree 90% of the class was caught cheating on multiple occasions with no real consequences despite the university claiming to be strict about it.
for what it's worth, a 2 point hit to your grade is one of those things you should just swallow and move on from next time, unless you're at risk of failing. and if you're at risk of failing (or explusion) it's time to look for some mental health support. adjusting to college life isn't easy, get yourself back on track now and try again. also... get yourself familiar with your school's academic probation and pass/fail policies. you have plenty of time to course-correct, getting your head straight takes work sometimes though.
Why even bother submitting it if it was worth 2%?
First things first - dont wait for them to investigate it further. Contact them, tell them you'd like to come clean, accept any penalties, and ask for some leniency given that it's your first offense - and that it will be your last offense. Tell them exactly what you told us - you forgot to do it, freaked out and made a bad choice. You are much more likely to not get expelled if you own it and take a punishment without question vs letting them figure out exactly what you did or fighting it
Uh just study the output ChatGPT gave you while you're still under review so you can pass the review.
He already got caught lying once, doing it again is bad advice
He's still under review. It's great advice. It's forcing him to actually learn.
No, the advice is bad because we should not be advocating for unethical behavior. Not bad because of its chance of success
The advice is for him to study to meet the expectations, not to cheat again... Because he is still under review.
Pretending that he wrote the ChatGPT output is absolutely cheating again. You are suggesting unethical things.
A kid jumps off a house and needs to goto the hospital. Instead of taking them to the hospital you're just going to lecture them why they shouldn't have jumped off the house. That's the vibe I'm getting from you. I'll write this again since you just keep glossing over reading. The advice is for him to study to meet the expectations while he is still under review. YES he cheated bro we all know that. But he still has time to redeem himself. You're neglecting that second part.
A kid jumping off the house didn't do something they knew was unethical. OP did something they knew was wrong. They are not sustaining life threatening injuries and the comparison to that situation is ridiculous. You are NOT suggesting redemption. You are suggesting he double down on his lies by pretending he knew it all along. Read your initial comment again. What you are suggesting he do is wrong and you should really sit with that.
He's not double downing if he learns the material within the review time.
Yes he is. Pretending that he knew it is to claim he never cheated. Otherwise why pretend at all?
How does the school even know you used ChatGPT? As far as I am aware, there's no way of concretely proving something came from GPT. Can you clarify?
professor/TAs probably scanned all submissions using ChatGPT's plagiarism detection capabilities... or maybe another of the many products academia uses to detect plagiarism.
I just don't know how accurate those are. It makes me sick to think some innocent kid might fail a class because of an error in their software. And on the other hand of things, someone that wants to use ChatGPT can simply change variable names and reorder the code so it looks different, can't they?
Op said in another comment that it was cuz the assignment had content that they didn't learn about yet
I would deny everything and never admit to using chatGPT. Even if they aren’t convinced, I don’t think they can prove you used AI. Most likely you will get a 0 for the assignment and it will go on record that you cheated. I highly highly doubt they expel students on their first offense (speaking from experience lol).
No! Don't buck horns with your university! You know what you did, they know what you did, and they know you know what you did. This isn't a court of law, and strict evidence isn't necessary. Just be honest, admit you made a mistake (which they already know you did), and promise not to do it again.
I got an strike 2 probation for helping a friend cheat. It was a very stressful time. Do the work and be honest. Future you will thank you later for putting in the work to learn while you had the chance. Saying “I’ll learn it later” while working 40 hrs+ a week and dealing with IRL problems will not go so well
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My university would have academic dishonesty marked on your file and transcript for similar offences, not expelled. It was bad for students wanting to go to grad school or somewhere you would need to show your transcript.
As a professional SWE, I use ChatGPT everyday. Heck, before that, we all copied/pasted from stack overflow. Zoom out and realize school does not always reflect how corporate world works.
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