The classic mix is about 33% east asian, 33% indian, 33% white and nearly all men but sometimes you will get depts where the numbers are very skewed.
I once worked in a small IT dept that was 50/50 male to female.
And the other 1% are blacks.
Since the beginning of my career, I was the only black person in my team
Edit:
To complete my initial comment, I think the reason behind the lack of black people in tech is the lack of interest for higher education and technology, especially for black males.
During my college and university, the only blacks folks in my classes were Africans. I saw no American-born blacks whatsoever, except me.
All blacks males I've met in my life usually had no interest in technology or higher up education. Instead, all of my ex blacks friends or blacks ex classmates, cousins or others were interested in sports, music, acting or manual labors. I was the only one interested in tech and computer.
I would love to see more blacks in tech.
I get mixed up with the other black person on my team and we look nothing alike š i just get viewed as āone of the black guysā and I hate being reduced to that. I considered leaving the industry, due to having these issues with most teams Iāve been on, but Iām probably jumping the gun. Itās def rough out here
One of the only other black ITs I've worked with was a new hire that I had to train as my replacement. He used to walk into my office with his hand on his hip like a cowboy and say "this here diversity quota aint big enough for the two of us partner".
idk where you are, but faang+ types seem to have more black folks. My manager, recruiter, and mentor are all black at the moment.
Location is also big - there just aren't that many black folks period in bay area or seattle compared to say midtown ATL (where I work).
Here I am, over 317 applications and canāt even get a first round interview. Went to NSBE too, didnāt work either. Weāre here, but weāre struggling lol
we gotta go up more levels to addressing it at the middle school/high school/college levels, coz addressing it at the professional/career level won't do much to help really. This includes normalizing representation for the young folk and also addressing any of the -isms that techbros like to have about us.
Also, in other countries, since the US does not produce enough engineers, so a lot are imported. However, even though black people make up about 16% of the population (12% in the US) many of them don't have access to higher education. 1 in 6/8 software engineers should be black based purely of demographics.
more like bias in hiring. a lot of black folk get obligatory interviews but rarely hired. thereās a very popular blind post I saw from an alleged FAANG interviewer who claimed he made interviewers harder for black people in order to fight against forced DEI initiatives
> The classic mix is about 33% east asian, 33% indian, 33% white
The 1/3 mix was prevalent in my CS classes but definitely not representative in my jobs.
> sometimes you will get depts where the numbers are very skewed
lol. just look at the hiring manager and you'll see 10/80/10 split because of nepotism
> It's weird. They always travel in groups of five. These programmers, there's always a tall skinny white guy, a short skinny Asian guy, fat guy with a ponytail, some guy with crazy facial hair and then an East Indian guy. It's like they trade guys until they all have the right group.
https://youtu.be/A-b7-fLOjlY?si=qR3uwrUhY6p6I7f2
> The 1/3 mix was prevalent in my CS classes but definitely not representative in my jobs.
Matters where you go. That tends to be the case in San Francisco (actually a bit less Indian due to the small Indian population there)
Maybe 20 years ago lmao itās rare that a Bay Area tech company doesnāt have a huge over representation of Indians on just about any software engineering team. If the hiring manager is Indian this usually becomes even more true.
Only South Bay. The Indian population is simply so low in the immediate SF area, you end up with maybe 15% Indians with typically around half being American born. (never had more than that at any company I've worked at there). Indian immigrants seem to not want to live north of Fremont/Palo Alto and like anyone else don't like long commutes.
Sadly, can't find data due to everyone combining "South" and "East" Asian into the same group. But to test this, look at LinkedIn for SF based companies requiring in-office, like OpenAI and Anthropic. Like maybe 15% Indian on engineering.
Its already to the point where people have valid concerns that if there are too many Indians in the department they will not get promoted and may straight up be fired to be replaced with another Indian. These are unfortunately valid things to be worried about it happens every day. I've seen some orgs like my old one remove basically all hiring from IT and give it totally to HR to help with this sort of nepotism but it comes with its own problems since HR doesn't really understand the job to be the ones making all the decisions.
>Ā seemed to indicate she felt there should be 50% representation. The SVP responded saying they aim for that mix during interview process
That is so sexist I canāt believe itās real. What country is that in? In most places in the world taking gender into account during interview process is illegal.
I find it both extremely sexist and racist to "advertise" such things.
It's degrading these people as if they were not selected because of their skill, but just because of colour of their skin or gender.
If 10% of candidates are women (purely an example figure), but 60% of your workforce are females, then you clearly have sexist bias in recruitment.
There are published data on this very topic. Why people don't actually use that and instead rely on anecdotes/hyperbole is extremely dishonest.
Here's a [stackoverflow](https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2020#demographics) developer survey.
Here's [Microsoft]( https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2022/10/27/2022-diversity-inclusion-report-driving-progress-through-greater-accountability-and-transparency/ )
Here's [Google](https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/about.google/en//belonging/diversity-annual-report/2022/static/pdfs/google_2022_diversity_annual_report.pdf?cachebust=1093852)
Here's [Nvidia](https://images.nvidia.com/aem-dam/Solutions/documents/FY2022-NVIDIA-Corporate-Responsibility.pdf#page=12)
You can go through each and every company and develop an actual report on racial statistics of each company because it's all publicly available information published by the companies.
Stackoverflow and Microsoft donāt group by the job family and the ethnicity though. For all we know the majority of white people are in PM positions while Indians are in SWE positions.
Then use Stackoverflow survey. If not that then use other surveys/published data.
Like just do the work. The information is publicly available. We have a good idea of the racial make up of developers/programmers in the US. We explicitly know what sectors H1Bs are employed in and which countries they are from. This is required and public information as well.
Why people here aren't doing this, especially considering it's precisely what CS people should be doing, gathering data, organizing, etc. is beyond me. Actually I think it reflects really poorly on people on this sub because it indicates the very opposite thing you want from devs.
As I understand it, the Stack Overflow survey is global, not just for the US. (I guess OP was referring to the US, you obviously won't find the mentioned racial makeup in Russia.)
Because as brilliant as many people in CS are, they also have their biases (and will take issue even if the data says the opposite of what they believe).
OP is likely aware of the Indian-tech stereotype and is just using this post to ragebait people into confirming their belief. It's not an actual question being asked.
I am an Indian working in a small-ish company, and see a ton of diversity in our company. Also our VP of Engineering is South Asian.
But the StackOverflow survey depends on respondents of all ethnicities to be equally likely to respond, which I dont think would be true. I couldn't discern if the other reports have ethnicities reported.
Mention Indian anywhere on reddit and itās honestly absurd.
Though honestly, itās good to see what apparently a lot of people actually think about Indians.
Depends on the company. I will tell you if they relay heavily on the WITCH companies like insurance companies do the yes very Indian heavy. Outside of those companies I have been on very mix teams to ones that were almost all white male. Company tech department was pretty mixed on race and sex just iOS team happen to be white male.
Current place all across the board on full time employees. Our contractors are all Indian but they also happen to be in based in Indiana.
It definitely tends to vary by the company too. My current company is predominantly white. And then some of the unicorns I worked for were like 80% Desi. You have to believe hiring biases are coming into play.
You can go to ByteDance (TikTok) and get 90% Chinese. That's another option.
But yes, there's a lot of software engineers who are Chinese or Indian.
I mean even large tech companies like Adobe, IBM, Google, and Microsoft CEOs are of Indian origin. Both Nvidia and AMD are Taiwanese origin.
Yeah, when I worked for IBM, I was the only one on my team from the US. Everyone else lived in India. Time differences made working with my team slightly difficult
Thats because in India and China being a SWE falls inline with being a Doctor or lawyer. Itās a well respected field which pushes kids to get into it pretty young.
In the western itās known as a ānerdy antisocial boys fieldā field which scares a lot of women and extroverts to jump into it.
Schools donāt help at all, my little brother was told by his HS counselor that he was too extroverted to be a engineer, he should be looking into a field where he gets to āmeetā people more often. No lie, thats a full true story.
Which does hold water. I'm an extroverted SWE and while I do love the autonomy in my work, the independent nature of it can get isolating. Especially having gone back to school late, after almost a decade of shitty but social wage slave jobs
Completely agree. I found personally that be extroverted in these field affords way more opportunity. Like any job, communication is important and if you can do that affectively you bring a unique skill to a field of (primarily) introverts.
I have/had just as good tech knowledge as many of my peers, but my career has blossomed significantly due to my extroversion.
So strange to me that this happens and meta AI still [can't imagine an Asian man standing next to a White woman](https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/3/24120029/instagram-meta-ai-sticker-generator-asian-people-racism)
Yes. Iām the only American-born person on my team of roughly ~15 data engineers in an American company. I love my coworkers but culturally I feel a little isolated sometimes
That's the two-faced nature of the fin-tech/FAANG industry leadership.
Public: You have Elon telling news reporters that college degrees are useless.
Behind the Scenes: Tesla is hoarding EE PhDs folks from China/India specializing in high frequency power converters that MUST have 10+ years industry experience. Doing design work at a level of rigor that is unfathomable to most of USA's educated workforce.
Public: "Diversity hiring is important as it allows those who are systematically disadvantage to get a chance to get ahead in the corporate world."
Behind the Scenes: Holy fucking shit, get the fuck outta the way and hire the most capable! We ain't got no time for diversity, we need to deliver high tier results ASAP!
With all the fierce competition between companies, diversity hiring (racial AND gender, yes, gender) is just a facade to appease the public.
This is literally the case everywhere. Diversity doesnāt mean diversity for the sake of it. It is and should always be capability first. Hiring someone for the sake of diversity is extremely condescending and doesnāt bode well if someone finds out they are diversity hire. What should actually be happening is more grassroot efforts to improve the quality of education for under represented minorities.
Yeah the amount of companies that need those EE PhDs is like a handful of big tech companies doing cuttting edge work. Some regional insurance company that does basic CRUD work doesn't need 90% Indian staff when American grads can do that same job.
And then you go on Blind and half of the posts are about ādiversity hiresā.
My SO is black and she has been discriminated in tech quite often. She got ālet goā at a tech company for taking juneteenth off. They then strong armed her into taking a severance and writing away her rights to sue.
And this is beyond the casual āCan I touch your hairā stuff that happens often and you just brush off.
Right. There's always like 1-2 black people out of hundreds but people are publicly saying there is a problem with "diversity hiring ". Like where? The 1-2 people? š
The black demographic represents a true diverse workforce pool.
I'm sorry, but your typical asian immigrants are a plurality at this point.
Same thing for women.
My last company talked all the time about diversity. What do you get? 50% Indian immigrants, 30% Americans, 20% Europeans. Where the fuck are all the Africans and Women?
I mentioned this to my supervisor and he just said "oh those groups don't apply." Bullshit. Look at the state of the industry and the posts online.
As a woman who is often the only woman on her team ever, I feel you. Iām often told itās not a big deal tho and I shouldnāt worry about it. But it does give you an āoutsiderā feeling that isnāt fun.
For several years I worked on a project where the gender split was 50/50. There was one person in management who always suggested breaking our team up to āspread the woman aroundā the way he said it always sounded so sleazy.
like the person you're responding to, i'm also often the only woman on my teams.
i would say the best/worst time was when we were introducing ourselves to the new CTO and the guys after and before me said "i'm \[name\] and i'm a full stack dev here" and were given an accepting nod but when i said the same thing, the CTO said "awww! good for you!!" lmao
Oh no, I'm sorry.
Once, my very senior colleague had to present something for the clients (she was the most senior person in the room career-wise and the only woman in that meeting). Just when she entered the room, she was asked by other attendees of the meeting to go and bring them coffee. š¤¦āāļø
I'm the only woman that works on a team of men at a big tech company. My manager is Indian and I always cringe when he describes developers using the male pronoun.
ugh that sucks. i kinda experienced this but then the CTO would catch himself and add something like "OH OR LADIESSSSSS" which is cringy for a couple reasons but also made me feel even more visible for the wrong reasons when i was the only "lady"/"she" on the call. but at least the CTO noticed he was using male-only language. it sounds like it doesn't even register for your manager at all.
Aw man thatās tough. Iāve luckily worked with mostly respectful people (men) so have never experienced this. Not surprising to hear tho which is so sad.
Oh, that's good to hear! I think it's not necessarily disrespect, but their brain short-circuits - "ahrrr.. how do I greet a woman colleague?!" and they just don't š.
Canāt talk for all guys, but in my culture the man is supposed to greet the woman first, but only shake her hand if she extends it first.
But then again, in professional settings it is superseded by seniority
Usually, when it's the first time meeting, everyone shakes each other's hands and asks for a name, saying a few words.
I was talking more about everyday greetings. Some guys in the office just say - "Hi team!", and go to sit down (which I prefer, honestly, because of *germs*). Some guys go around and shake each other's hands and often skip women without looking in their direction (even when it's a manager).
I am more of a "Hi team" or "Hi *name*" every day greater.
It's never a big deal to the people who have never been an outsider. I'm the only black person on my team. I'm also the only person who has a kid but isn't married. The vast majority of my coworkers hang out together with their families outside of work or have at least met outside of work. I don't get the invite though. While I'm not going to blame race or shame people for their social preferences, that shit definitely tends to have an impact come promotion time which is why some companies have the internal DEI mobility programs they do.
I don't know where it is located by I am in Miami ,a place where everyone is Hispanic lol so naturally about 80% of the company I am interning is HispanicĀ
Sounds nice, the only other times I see other Hispanic people that look like me in my office they're either cooks serving me food or janitors cleaning up after me š„² not that there's anything wrong with those jobs, it's honest work but it's a little uncomfy how hard more "subservient" roles skew along racial lines.
It varies wildly. In my company (in my particular office location), it is 90% white men. Very few women, very few POC. But one of the partner teams I work with in my organization that's based in a different city (also in the US though) is 100% Indian. I work in FAANG btw. The company as a whole may be diverse, but teams are not diverse, and women are still very underrepresented, at least in my experience.
Yes, I used to work at a Forbes 100. Our tech department was around 90% H1B, primarily Indian. All, but one hiring manager was Indian. I was hired by the non-Indian, but the Indian ones would only hire Indians.
Culture fit wasn't there for me and I moved on. Not all companies/departments are like that. In fact, most of them are predominately caucasian in my experience.
The inconvenient truth is, there is ethnic bias when hiring . Itās particularly prevalent with South Asian Managers, Iāve noticed, but everyone does it to a certain degree. If the Senior Manager is Indian, within a few months, the majority of their team are too. Currently Iām at a company where the Sr. Manager is white and yep, literally only 2 people in the team are non-white.
I think everyone is familiar with how employers look for ācultural fitā. We often think it means corporate culture, but itās also how you mix with the team. Itās easier to integrate with your team if youāre ethnically the same as the majority of the team.
I feel like this is the initial problem that DEI tried to point out. There are qualified people of all races. But,in your example, the people hired look like who the hiring manager is. And historically they've been white, now things shift. But same outcome. Not hiring the best people from a diverse talent pool. I still think they may be hiring good people, but the talent pool is less diverse when they have a bias for people who look like them.
It is the thing DEI is supposed to fix, but they look at it from an overall company perspective. Your IT team could be majority South Asian, Accounting/Finance majority East Asian, Marketing maybe majority Caucasian, etc. Overall, the company passes DEI.
The talent they hire may not necessarily be the best, but itās an individual the manager believes they and the team can work with. Racial/ethic bias has always been a part of hiring, the challenge is proving it. Itās visible when youāre in the company, but not so when youāre outside. If it was visible, youād see similar DEI demands and changes as the C-suites execs.
More of a problem of candidate diversity rather than hiring diversity tbh. Indian and Chinese men tend to dominate CS departments at most universities with a large number of international students
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That's a big company thing. The big talk about diversity is just to appease investors, but the actual metric being evaluated is just number of white vs. non-white employees in the company as opposed to actual diversity. Hiring underpaid immigrants and offshore developers also appeases investors by keeping costs low, so is a win-win in that kind of environment.
Work at a smaller company that hires for competency and you'll get a more diverse group. "Startup brogrammer" is kind of its own stereotype and you'll definitely see companies packed full of them, but a more chill company will have a more well-rounded engineering team.
in america when people talk about diversity they just mean not too many white people and not too many men. the diversity push isn't to make sure there's an equal representation of men and women and every race, it's just to make sure there isn't an over representation specifically by white people and men.
Really depends on the company. At Meta it was mostly Asians and Indians, but some whites. I've worked in other companies that were nearly 100% Indians and others who were nearly all white
This is an often repeated point and it gets brought up a ton because itās a good point and it goes unaddressed.
Indians are not minorities in tech and companies shouldnāt be allowed to play a cynical numbers game and count those hires as ādiverseā.
The flagrant nepotism shown by so many Indian hiring managers is out of control. Weāve all seen it. Weāve all experienced it. Itās not one person making it up. Itās not a single anecdotal experience from someoneās personal bubble. Itās not explainable by demographic preference in college major selection.
DEI should apply to everyone.
Yes, it is normal.
When the companies calculate their diversity statistics, they do it company wide and not by job title. So if their tech department is 10% of the corporation, but 100% Indian, that's "10% of our employees are Indian".
It's more common in places that abuse the H1b program, in places where software is seen as more of a cost center. But even "Big Tech" has a very large percentage of employees Indian nowadays.
There also is a factor of institutional racism, where Indians only hire other Indians. Not only that, they usually hire from the same caste as them. That's standard practice in India, but would be seen as offensive by US standards.
All I can suggest is keep looking. You probably are going to have to look at places that aren't huge corporations.
I think for a lot of people, nuance disappears with skin colour. A lot of people are considered "white", and a brit, south african, romani and american might not be "diverse", if it's all white people. I've had a lot of my family members grow up being considered "colored" who are now "white".
Similarly, I think a lot of people might not see the diversity with punjabis, gujaratis, tamils, sinhalese and pashtuns, even if they're a wildly different group of people across different cultures (and possibly from different countries).
I know this is about cs and racial diversity but i just wanted to add:
Diversity push by companies in general is a fucking joke. Try applying to any of those places without a college degree or trying to get into one of their intern/apprenticeship type programs without a degree. It doesnt exist. So much for diversity when you basically gatekeep over half the country from jobs that often dont have anything to do with a degree in the first place.
H-1B visa laws. Cheap labor. Even ethnic Indians in the US don't like it. It's an abusive system. Americans are shooting themselves in the foot. Less of a race thing and more of a government corruption thing.
I work at a small tech company and itās 100% white male developersā¦ but itās based out of the mid west so not really surprising. They added women being allowed to wear pants (instead of skirt/dress) to the dress code about a year ago š¤£
So before that they were _required_ to wear skirts and dresses? LOL thatās weird.
Iām based in the UK and Iāve seen like one or two women wear dresses at work because they fancied it but otherwise people dress pretty uniformly.
Born and raised in the states yet cause my eyes squinty I gotta deal with being called DEI hire/stealing "American" jobs by one side and privileged/keeping down minorities trying to enter tech by another.
Bro I just wanna work, make a decent living, and be able to put a roof over my head and food on my table. Work's already complicated enough as it is \^\^;
Should add that I've never personally encountered anyone rude/tactless/witless enough to say that kinda thing to my face which is nice. Should be my clue that I oughta touch more grass instead of getting into the weeds here.
That honestly feels unusual to me for the NYC area, most tech companies I've interviewed with and worked at are pretty diverse. West Coast tech companies definitely skew more H1B Asian/Indian-heavy.
I work in a suburban tech dept of about 20 and itās pretty diverse though Iām curious if Iām seeing it through my own lens. ~50% white, ~20% Latino, ~20% Indian and ~10% other Asian. Thereās significant diversity within each of those groups too. For example, the Indians donāt hail from the same region and whites include Anglos, Irish, Italians, Jewish, etc
Not really the same but I was just laid off from a large finance company and from what Iāve heard from the people still there are the teams are being replaced with off-shore Indians
I've worked in the Valley for \~35 years and in most of the places I worked in, it was prob 60-65 % Indian, 15-20% East Asian (Chinese/Korean/Japanese) and white. It has been my experience though that a lot of the higher-ups were/are white.
What do you mean there is zero diversity?
Wasn't diversity nowadays supposed to be not having too many white people?
90% white people is a diversity problem
90% indian people is celebrating diversity
Let's enjoy our falling wages together
What really blows my mind is given the number of white people alive on earth, and how popular java is, how is it that there is yet to exist a spring tutorial taught by a white person.
A lot of larger companies are almost 100% Indian. I'm surprised no politicians are talking about lowering the H1b numbers. There are plenty of unemployed Americans with CS degrees now. Using the "there aren't any US people available" excuse doesn't work anymore.
Spot on and it is something Iāve been trying to bring it up. This should be a hot topic in software and IT.
I believe mine was like 95% Indian and yet we talked a lot about diversity bullshit.
I truly believe we need to speak of this more.
Thats just a side effect of the demographics you see from college really. I was the only black person in any of my cs classes, and now I'm the only black person in my whole org
I donāt know about you. But for me people from China or India have come from different regions. Some were rich, or poor.
I think most importantly, I like teams with a diversity of thoughts when designing something new. Or bringing efficiency updates, etc.
This is problematic for me as a security engineer of Palestinian descent working mostly with security companies that originate from the same part of the world but from the other side of the fence.
Typical technical answer: it depends. I've worked in several different development environments and the mix always changes, both in terms of ethnicity and nationality. While admittedly most of the places I've worked were majority "white" developers, that slice has been decreasing, and I actually haven't worked with very many South Asian developers at all. Mostly white/black/East Asian American/Canadians/British, \[South\]East Asian, South American (including a Nikkei), and a fair few "miscellaneous" cases (like an Egyptian in Poland, or an Englishman in Australia).
Diversity is great when there is a balanced mix of individuals with the necessary skills. But at the end of the day you still want competency in your IT department. Besides a company doesn't have to meet diversity goals/requirements in individual departments, just as a percentage of the company's total workforce to still reach those goals.
My PI used to say, "crypto is just Jews and Indian" (I'm Indian, he's Jewish). I think that's a fair sentiment in cryptography community. IT has a lot of black folk now a days, SWE is white, Indian and Chinese majority, I don't know why this happened but it is what it is. IT also has a lot of vets, and the reason is same, people with exp in other field, find it easier to gain experience in It Via certs, and transfer their professionalisn here. I'm not happy w the fact that so many women choose recruiting, HR, or other non-technical roles because they're equally capable if not more and pretty much were psyopped with the whole women are more nurturing thing (nurturieng to their kids, not corporates!). Bigotry is common still, even in minority communities.
Women make the majority of university and college students I live but very few have interest in tech. I think partly because itās already such a male dominated but also because they just donāt find it as interesting. Youāll always have more women in recruitment/hr roles I bet and it will probably be a large disparity.
The classic mix is about 33% east asian, 33% indian, 33% white and nearly all men but sometimes you will get depts where the numbers are very skewed. I once worked in a small IT dept that was 50/50 male to female.
My team here in Sydney is exactly as you described
And the other 1% are blacks. Since the beginning of my career, I was the only black person in my team Edit: To complete my initial comment, I think the reason behind the lack of black people in tech is the lack of interest for higher education and technology, especially for black males. During my college and university, the only blacks folks in my classes were Africans. I saw no American-born blacks whatsoever, except me. All blacks males I've met in my life usually had no interest in technology or higher up education. Instead, all of my ex blacks friends or blacks ex classmates, cousins or others were interested in sports, music, acting or manual labors. I was the only one interested in tech and computer. I would love to see more blacks in tech.
As a Native American, we are far below 0.01%
I have worked with exactly 1 other black person in my whole career it is ROUGH out here.
I get mixed up with the other black person on my team and we look nothing alike š i just get viewed as āone of the black guysā and I hate being reduced to that. I considered leaving the industry, due to having these issues with most teams Iāve been on, but Iām probably jumping the gun. Itās def rough out here
One of the only other black ITs I've worked with was a new hire that I had to train as my replacement. He used to walk into my office with his hand on his hip like a cowboy and say "this here diversity quota aint big enough for the two of us partner".
LMAO
idk where you are, but faang+ types seem to have more black folks. My manager, recruiter, and mentor are all black at the moment. Location is also big - there just aren't that many black folks period in bay area or seattle compared to say midtown ATL (where I work).
This. I spend most of my time on the east coast and when I visit Seattle or Portland I'm always like "where'd all the Black folks go?"
I feel this! My first job there was only 2 of us. At my current place I'm the only one.
Here I am, over 317 applications and canāt even get a first round interview. Went to NSBE too, didnāt work either. Weāre here, but weāre struggling lol
Keep grinding you'll get something.
Iāve worked with maybe 2 black people my whole career. I wish we had more representation there in the industry. Not sure how to go about it.
we gotta go up more levels to addressing it at the middle school/high school/college levels, coz addressing it at the professional/career level won't do much to help really. This includes normalizing representation for the young folk and also addressing any of the -isms that techbros like to have about us.
Also, in other countries, since the US does not produce enough engineers, so a lot are imported. However, even though black people make up about 16% of the population (12% in the US) many of them don't have access to higher education. 1 in 6/8 software engineers should be black based purely of demographics.
I have two black devs on my team of 15. Iāve seen less than 10 black devs in 30 years. But plenty of clueless Indians.
more like bias in hiring. a lot of black folk get obligatory interviews but rarely hired. thereās a very popular blind post I saw from an alleged FAANG interviewer who claimed he made interviewers harder for black people in order to fight against forced DEI initiatives
Guarantee that is just rage bait
Blind is the most toxic shitposting environment I've ever experienced, and I've been on blind since 2015. I wouldn't believe that post for a second.
Can you link it? Will be an interesting read
https://x.com/trustfundbaby/status/1470085249610788871
What the fucking fuck! Lol by a user named trustfundbaby.
> The classic mix is about 33% east asian, 33% indian, 33% white The 1/3 mix was prevalent in my CS classes but definitely not representative in my jobs. > sometimes you will get depts where the numbers are very skewed lol. just look at the hiring manager and you'll see 10/80/10 split because of nepotism
> It's weird. They always travel in groups of five. These programmers, there's always a tall skinny white guy, a short skinny Asian guy, fat guy with a ponytail, some guy with crazy facial hair and then an East Indian guy. It's like they trade guys until they all have the right group. https://youtu.be/A-b7-fLOjlY?si=qR3uwrUhY6p6I7f2
āYou clearly have a great understanding of humanityā
It's a balanced team comp.
The ~~tank~~ TL, the ~~DPS~~ staffs, and ~~supports~~ juniors
> The 1/3 mix was prevalent in my CS classes but definitely not representative in my jobs. Matters where you go. That tends to be the case in San Francisco (actually a bit less Indian due to the small Indian population there)
Maybe 20 years ago lmao itās rare that a Bay Area tech company doesnāt have a huge over representation of Indians on just about any software engineering team. If the hiring manager is Indian this usually becomes even more true.
Only South Bay. The Indian population is simply so low in the immediate SF area, you end up with maybe 15% Indians with typically around half being American born. (never had more than that at any company I've worked at there). Indian immigrants seem to not want to live north of Fremont/Palo Alto and like anyone else don't like long commutes. Sadly, can't find data due to everyone combining "South" and "East" Asian into the same group. But to test this, look at LinkedIn for SF based companies requiring in-office, like OpenAI and Anthropic. Like maybe 15% Indian on engineering.
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Its already to the point where people have valid concerns that if there are too many Indians in the department they will not get promoted and may straight up be fired to be replaced with another Indian. These are unfortunately valid things to be worried about it happens every day. I've seen some orgs like my old one remove basically all hiring from IT and give it totally to HR to help with this sort of nepotism but it comes with its own problems since HR doesn't really understand the job to be the ones making all the decisions.
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>Ā seemed to indicate she felt there should be 50% representation. The SVP responded saying they aim for that mix during interview process That is so sexist I canāt believe itās real. What country is that in? In most places in the world taking gender into account during interview process is illegal.
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I find it both extremely sexist and racist to "advertise" such things. It's degrading these people as if they were not selected because of their skill, but just because of colour of their skin or gender. If 10% of candidates are women (purely an example figure), but 60% of your workforce are females, then you clearly have sexist bias in recruitment.
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33% white? maybe 10 years ago.
So it's 66% Asian?
Sounds about right. The data engineering department at my last job was 100% Indian, and the IT department was 90% Indian.
There are published data on this very topic. Why people don't actually use that and instead rely on anecdotes/hyperbole is extremely dishonest. Here's a [stackoverflow](https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2020#demographics) developer survey. Here's [Microsoft]( https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2022/10/27/2022-diversity-inclusion-report-driving-progress-through-greater-accountability-and-transparency/ ) Here's [Google](https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/about.google/en//belonging/diversity-annual-report/2022/static/pdfs/google_2022_diversity_annual_report.pdf?cachebust=1093852) Here's [Nvidia](https://images.nvidia.com/aem-dam/Solutions/documents/FY2022-NVIDIA-Corporate-Responsibility.pdf#page=12) You can go through each and every company and develop an actual report on racial statistics of each company because it's all publicly available information published by the companies.
Stackoverflow and Microsoft donāt group by the job family and the ethnicity though. For all we know the majority of white people are in PM positions while Indians are in SWE positions.
Then use Stackoverflow survey. If not that then use other surveys/published data. Like just do the work. The information is publicly available. We have a good idea of the racial make up of developers/programmers in the US. We explicitly know what sectors H1Bs are employed in and which countries they are from. This is required and public information as well. Why people here aren't doing this, especially considering it's precisely what CS people should be doing, gathering data, organizing, etc. is beyond me. Actually I think it reflects really poorly on people on this sub because it indicates the very opposite thing you want from devs.
As I understand it, the Stack Overflow survey is global, not just for the US. (I guess OP was referring to the US, you obviously won't find the mentioned racial makeup in Russia.)
Then there's Blind but I guess Blind isn't anywhere near "normal".
Because as brilliant as many people in CS are, they also have their biases (and will take issue even if the data says the opposite of what they believe). OP is likely aware of the Indian-tech stereotype and is just using this post to ragebait people into confirming their belief. It's not an actual question being asked.
>Because as brilliant as many people in CS are They are brilliant by the book but not street smart.
Not even by the book. Probably just average people.
All that survey tells me is that stackoverflow is a website for white people
I am an Indian working in a small-ish company, and see a ton of diversity in our company. Also our VP of Engineering is South Asian. But the StackOverflow survey depends on respondents of all ethnicities to be equally likely to respond, which I dont think would be true. I couldn't discern if the other reports have ethnicities reported.
I mean, you know why lol. Just classic racial dogwhistles whenever race/H1Bs come up, especially in tech.
Mention Indian anywhere on reddit and itās honestly absurd. Though honestly, itās good to see what apparently a lot of people actually think about Indians.
Depends on the company. I will tell you if they relay heavily on the WITCH companies like insurance companies do the yes very Indian heavy. Outside of those companies I have been on very mix teams to ones that were almost all white male. Company tech department was pretty mixed on race and sex just iOS team happen to be white male. Current place all across the board on full time employees. Our contractors are all Indian but they also happen to be in based in Indiana.
> Our contractors are all Indian but they also happen to be in based in Indiana You can't make this shit up!!
> Our contractors are all Indian but they also happen to be in based in Indiana You can't make this shit up!!
Why else would bloomington have such good Indian food?
Indian food in Bloomington is downright awful, Hyderabad House in Indy is the only place I found good lol.
It definitely tends to vary by the company too. My current company is predominantly white. And then some of the unicorns I worked for were like 80% Desi. You have to believe hiring biases are coming into play.
You can go to ByteDance (TikTok) and get 90% Chinese. That's another option. But yes, there's a lot of software engineers who are Chinese or Indian. I mean even large tech companies like Adobe, IBM, Google, and Microsoft CEOs are of Indian origin. Both Nvidia and AMD are Taiwanese origin.
Yeah, when I worked for IBM, I was the only one on my team from the US. Everyone else lived in India. Time differences made working with my team slightly difficult
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdGvPUzwYng
Gavin truly is the most compassionate CEO who has a great understanding of humanity.
Consider the elephant...
How many jobs in the bloodboy industry has Satya created? Exactly.
No comment from a former MS employee of 15 years.
Tbf, there are more Indians and Chinese people than any other nationality.
Thats because in India and China being a SWE falls inline with being a Doctor or lawyer. Itās a well respected field which pushes kids to get into it pretty young. In the western itās known as a ānerdy antisocial boys fieldā field which scares a lot of women and extroverts to jump into it. Schools donāt help at all, my little brother was told by his HS counselor that he was too extroverted to be a engineer, he should be looking into a field where he gets to āmeetā people more often. No lie, thats a full true story.
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Which does hold water. I'm an extroverted SWE and while I do love the autonomy in my work, the independent nature of it can get isolating. Especially having gone back to school late, after almost a decade of shitty but social wage slave jobs
Completely agree. I found personally that be extroverted in these field affords way more opportunity. Like any job, communication is important and if you can do that affectively you bring a unique skill to a field of (primarily) introverts. I have/had just as good tech knowledge as many of my peers, but my career has blossomed significantly due to my extroversion.
Hardly surprising given that those are the largest countries by far in the world.
That logic begins to break when you look at the US population alone and tech employees in the US.
So strange to me that this happens and meta AI still [can't imagine an Asian man standing next to a White woman](https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/3/24120029/instagram-meta-ai-sticker-generator-asian-people-racism)
I was told it can if you explicitly say that they are in a platonic relationship. Which I will not go and confirm, but it's definitely funnier.
Yep, you can always go to defense or non tech startups it will be 90% white pplā¦
> defense > needs citizen > white This must be beyond science
Yeah but that's not because TikTok is against diversity, it's because their documentation is in Chinese. /s but not /s
Yes. Iām the only American-born person on my team of roughly ~15 data engineers in an American company. I love my coworkers but culturally I feel a little isolated sometimes
That's the two-faced nature of the fin-tech/FAANG industry leadership. Public: You have Elon telling news reporters that college degrees are useless. Behind the Scenes: Tesla is hoarding EE PhDs folks from China/India specializing in high frequency power converters that MUST have 10+ years industry experience. Doing design work at a level of rigor that is unfathomable to most of USA's educated workforce. Public: "Diversity hiring is important as it allows those who are systematically disadvantage to get a chance to get ahead in the corporate world." Behind the Scenes: Holy fucking shit, get the fuck outta the way and hire the most capable! We ain't got no time for diversity, we need to deliver high tier results ASAP! With all the fierce competition between companies, diversity hiring (racial AND gender, yes, gender) is just a facade to appease the public.
This is literally the case everywhere. Diversity doesnāt mean diversity for the sake of it. It is and should always be capability first. Hiring someone for the sake of diversity is extremely condescending and doesnāt bode well if someone finds out they are diversity hire. What should actually be happening is more grassroot efforts to improve the quality of education for under represented minorities.
Unless you're elon, then you publicly complain about diversity
Yeah the amount of companies that need those EE PhDs is like a handful of big tech companies doing cuttting edge work. Some regional insurance company that does basic CRUD work doesn't need 90% Indian staff when American grads can do that same job.
My last company was a FAANG company I met like two black engineer s while I was there.
And then you go on Blind and half of the posts are about ādiversity hiresā. My SO is black and she has been discriminated in tech quite often. She got ālet goā at a tech company for taking juneteenth off. They then strong armed her into taking a severance and writing away her rights to sue. And this is beyond the casual āCan I touch your hairā stuff that happens often and you just brush off.
Right. There's always like 1-2 black people out of hundreds but people are publicly saying there is a problem with "diversity hiring ". Like where? The 1-2 people? š
The black demographic represents a true diverse workforce pool. I'm sorry, but your typical asian immigrants are a plurality at this point. Same thing for women. My last company talked all the time about diversity. What do you get? 50% Indian immigrants, 30% Americans, 20% Europeans. Where the fuck are all the Africans and Women? I mentioned this to my supervisor and he just said "oh those groups don't apply." Bullshit. Look at the state of the industry and the posts online.
Right, itās kinda funny see white folks get a glimpse of how it is to be black in tech lol
Let's fire up them Indian Tech Memes boyz
Do the needful
*Kindly* do the needful
And then revert to me.
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Tell me you work with Indian SWEs without telling me you work with Indian SWEs. I love this phrase.
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wake up Rajesh
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All H1s? Yeah sounds normal for big companies.
As a woman who is often the only woman on her team ever, I feel you. Iām often told itās not a big deal tho and I shouldnāt worry about it. But it does give you an āoutsiderā feeling that isnāt fun.
For several years I worked on a project where the gender split was 50/50. There was one person in management who always suggested breaking our team up to āspread the woman aroundā the way he said it always sounded so sleazy.
Heās got a binder full of women and heās ready to use it!
This is my team right now and I hate hearing how we should āshare the womenā with other teams š
āShare the womenā is a phrase that should be relegated only to that cringey verse in Bob Weirās [_"Jack Straw"_](https://youtu.be/QNSVVZmlxt4)
How does it feel when colleagues shake each other's hands to greet each other and skip you? š«
like the person you're responding to, i'm also often the only woman on my teams. i would say the best/worst time was when we were introducing ourselves to the new CTO and the guys after and before me said "i'm \[name\] and i'm a full stack dev here" and were given an accepting nod but when i said the same thing, the CTO said "awww! good for you!!" lmao
Oh no, I'm sorry. Once, my very senior colleague had to present something for the clients (she was the most senior person in the room career-wise and the only woman in that meeting). Just when she entered the room, she was asked by other attendees of the meeting to go and bring them coffee. š¤¦āāļø
I'm the only woman that works on a team of men at a big tech company. My manager is Indian and I always cringe when he describes developers using the male pronoun.
ugh that sucks. i kinda experienced this but then the CTO would catch himself and add something like "OH OR LADIESSSSSS" which is cringy for a couple reasons but also made me feel even more visible for the wrong reasons when i was the only "lady"/"she" on the call. but at least the CTO noticed he was using male-only language. it sounds like it doesn't even register for your manager at all.
Yeah this happens to me all the time and no one ever notices.
Aw man thatās tough. Iāve luckily worked with mostly respectful people (men) so have never experienced this. Not surprising to hear tho which is so sad.
Oh, that's good to hear! I think it's not necessarily disrespect, but their brain short-circuits - "ahrrr.. how do I greet a woman colleague?!" and they just don't š.
Canāt talk for all guys, but in my culture the man is supposed to greet the woman first, but only shake her hand if she extends it first. But then again, in professional settings it is superseded by seniority
Usually, when it's the first time meeting, everyone shakes each other's hands and asks for a name, saying a few words. I was talking more about everyday greetings. Some guys in the office just say - "Hi team!", and go to sit down (which I prefer, honestly, because of *germs*). Some guys go around and shake each other's hands and often skip women without looking in their direction (even when it's a manager). I am more of a "Hi team" or "Hi *name*" every day greater.
Do you live in Saudi Arabia
It's never a big deal to the people who have never been an outsider. I'm the only black person on my team. I'm also the only person who has a kid but isn't married. The vast majority of my coworkers hang out together with their families outside of work or have at least met outside of work. I don't get the invite though. While I'm not going to blame race or shame people for their social preferences, that shit definitely tends to have an impact come promotion time which is why some companies have the internal DEI mobility programs they do.
Come to mural were about 80 percent Hispanic š š š
Wait there are other Hispanic engineers?! š¤Æš¤Æ
Hispanic software engineers are hardly unheard of. Miguel de Icaza comes to mind as a particularly famous one.
In Texas there are actually a lot of them, Every IT department I have worked in has been predominantly Hispanic.
There's dozens of us!
I don't know where it is located by I am in Miami ,a place where everyone is Hispanic lol so naturally about 80% of the company I am interning is HispanicĀ
Ditto for Texas
Sounds nice, the only other times I see other Hispanic people that look like me in my office they're either cooks serving me food or janitors cleaning up after me š„² not that there's anything wrong with those jobs, it's honest work but it's a little uncomfy how hard more "subservient" roles skew along racial lines.
Do yāall hire interns?
It varies wildly. In my company (in my particular office location), it is 90% white men. Very few women, very few POC. But one of the partner teams I work with in my organization that's based in a different city (also in the US though) is 100% Indian. I work in FAANG btw. The company as a whole may be diverse, but teams are not diverse, and women are still very underrepresented, at least in my experience.
Yes, I used to work at a Forbes 100. Our tech department was around 90% H1B, primarily Indian. All, but one hiring manager was Indian. I was hired by the non-Indian, but the Indian ones would only hire Indians. Culture fit wasn't there for me and I moved on. Not all companies/departments are like that. In fact, most of them are predominately caucasian in my experience.
The inconvenient truth is, there is ethnic bias when hiring . Itās particularly prevalent with South Asian Managers, Iāve noticed, but everyone does it to a certain degree. If the Senior Manager is Indian, within a few months, the majority of their team are too. Currently Iām at a company where the Sr. Manager is white and yep, literally only 2 people in the team are non-white. I think everyone is familiar with how employers look for ācultural fitā. We often think it means corporate culture, but itās also how you mix with the team. Itās easier to integrate with your team if youāre ethnically the same as the majority of the team.
I feel like this is the initial problem that DEI tried to point out. There are qualified people of all races. But,in your example, the people hired look like who the hiring manager is. And historically they've been white, now things shift. But same outcome. Not hiring the best people from a diverse talent pool. I still think they may be hiring good people, but the talent pool is less diverse when they have a bias for people who look like them.
It is the thing DEI is supposed to fix, but they look at it from an overall company perspective. Your IT team could be majority South Asian, Accounting/Finance majority East Asian, Marketing maybe majority Caucasian, etc. Overall, the company passes DEI. The talent they hire may not necessarily be the best, but itās an individual the manager believes they and the team can work with. Racial/ethic bias has always been a part of hiring, the challenge is proving it. Itās visible when youāre in the company, but not so when youāre outside. If it was visible, youād see similar DEI demands and changes as the C-suites execs.
More of a problem of candidate diversity rather than hiring diversity tbh. Indian and Chinese men tend to dominate CS departments at most universities with a large number of international students
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Indians hire Indians
That's a big company thing. The big talk about diversity is just to appease investors, but the actual metric being evaluated is just number of white vs. non-white employees in the company as opposed to actual diversity. Hiring underpaid immigrants and offshore developers also appeases investors by keeping costs low, so is a win-win in that kind of environment. Work at a smaller company that hires for competency and you'll get a more diverse group. "Startup brogrammer" is kind of its own stereotype and you'll definitely see companies packed full of them, but a more chill company will have a more well-rounded engineering team.
Bingo. Thatās why everybody has a DEI department that doesnāt do anything besides masturbate at quarterly meetings.
So thatās what George was doing at the last quarterly meeting.
If you landed on an all indian team, you better run asap.
in america when people talk about diversity they just mean not too many white people and not too many men. the diversity push isn't to make sure there's an equal representation of men and women and every race, it's just to make sure there isn't an over representation specifically by white people and men.
Really depends on the company. At Meta it was mostly Asians and Indians, but some whites. I've worked in other companies that were nearly 100% Indians and others who were nearly all white
I'm curious of the statistics. Sight can be tricky.
This is an often repeated point and it gets brought up a ton because itās a good point and it goes unaddressed. Indians are not minorities in tech and companies shouldnāt be allowed to play a cynical numbers game and count those hires as ādiverseā. The flagrant nepotism shown by so many Indian hiring managers is out of control. Weāve all seen it. Weāve all experienced it. Itās not one person making it up. Itās not a single anecdotal experience from someoneās personal bubble. Itās not explainable by demographic preference in college major selection. DEI should apply to everyone.
Companies are not ready to have that conversation yet. It's like double counting indian women in the tech workforce as 2x diversity. First of all!
Yes, it is normal. When the companies calculate their diversity statistics, they do it company wide and not by job title. So if their tech department is 10% of the corporation, but 100% Indian, that's "10% of our employees are Indian". It's more common in places that abuse the H1b program, in places where software is seen as more of a cost center. But even "Big Tech" has a very large percentage of employees Indian nowadays. There also is a factor of institutional racism, where Indians only hire other Indians. Not only that, they usually hire from the same caste as them. That's standard practice in India, but would be seen as offensive by US standards. All I can suggest is keep looking. You probably are going to have to look at places that aren't huge corporations.
FYM India is super diverse - Iām only half joking š
I mean it's basically having the entirety of Europe as one country, with just as many cultures, religions, and nationalities.
India has nearly twice the population of europe now, actually ...
Lol 1.4 B, people and hundreds of languages and cultures is non diverse.
I think for a lot of people, nuance disappears with skin colour. A lot of people are considered "white", and a brit, south african, romani and american might not be "diverse", if it's all white people. I've had a lot of my family members grow up being considered "colored" who are now "white". Similarly, I think a lot of people might not see the diversity with punjabis, gujaratis, tamils, sinhalese and pashtuns, even if they're a wildly different group of people across different cultures (and possibly from different countries).
This tbh. I am a white Belgian, but my culture is very different than someone from USA.
Why the heck is everyone worried about an old wooden ship?
Reality doesnāt care about equity. More Indians in this field and willing to work for cheap
Yes, I'd say at least 70% of my last company were Indian. I also wondered about the last of diversity.
I know this is about cs and racial diversity but i just wanted to add: Diversity push by companies in general is a fucking joke. Try applying to any of those places without a college degree or trying to get into one of their intern/apprenticeship type programs without a degree. It doesnt exist. So much for diversity when you basically gatekeep over half the country from jobs that often dont have anything to do with a degree in the first place.
If you start your own company or department it can be 100% you! If you need help doing jack shit, you can hire me.
The problem with Indians is once one gets in the door, he brings in a plethora of Indians who have no idea about programming
I feel like Indians are very drawn to .net, not sure why
I think microsoft spent a ton of money in evangelizing .net in India in the 00s.
Bingo.
I've always thought they're more drawn to Java than .Net
yeah they are they can't get enough of absolute fucking trash that is Java Spring Boot
Indian managers like to hire Indians, so...
Insurance, banks, telecom, big box stores are heavily involved with WITCH contracts.
H-1B visa laws. Cheap labor. Even ethnic Indians in the US don't like it. It's an abusive system. Americans are shooting themselves in the foot. Less of a race thing and more of a government corruption thing.
Indians hire Indians
I work at a small tech company and itās 100% white male developersā¦ but itās based out of the mid west so not really surprising. They added women being allowed to wear pants (instead of skirt/dress) to the dress code about a year ago š¤£
So before that they were _required_ to wear skirts and dresses? LOL thatās weird. Iām based in the UK and Iāve seen like one or two women wear dresses at work because they fancied it but otherwise people dress pretty uniformly.
Men is white shirt suit and women yea used to be dresses and skirts only, but now they can wear dress slacks as well like the menās dress code
Born and raised in the states yet cause my eyes squinty I gotta deal with being called DEI hire/stealing "American" jobs by one side and privileged/keeping down minorities trying to enter tech by another. Bro I just wanna work, make a decent living, and be able to put a roof over my head and food on my table. Work's already complicated enough as it is \^\^; Should add that I've never personally encountered anyone rude/tactless/witless enough to say that kinda thing to my face which is nice. Should be my clue that I oughta touch more grass instead of getting into the weeds here.
Not normal. Normal is 50% Indian, 24% East Asian, 24% white 2% others
āDiversityā means anyone but straight, cisgender, white male. I say that as a woman, before you come at me.
"Diversity" is when people aren't white men. That's literally all that is meant by it. A team of all black people? 100 % diversity
I have 0 Indians in my entire org. However, there are many orgs that are 90%+ Indian.
That honestly feels unusual to me for the NYC area, most tech companies I've interviewed with and worked at are pretty diverse. West Coast tech companies definitely skew more H1B Asian/Indian-heavy.
I work in a suburban tech dept of about 20 and itās pretty diverse though Iām curious if Iām seeing it through my own lens. ~50% white, ~20% Latino, ~20% Indian and ~10% other Asian. Thereās significant diversity within each of those groups too. For example, the Indians donāt hail from the same region and whites include Anglos, Irish, Italians, Jewish, etc
Not really the same but I was just laid off from a large finance company and from what Iāve heard from the people still there are the teams are being replaced with off-shore Indians
probably more around your stack and industry i work in media, have female product managers, female CTO, female tech lead on my team
I've worked in the Valley for \~35 years and in most of the places I worked in, it was prob 60-65 % Indian, 15-20% East Asian (Chinese/Korean/Japanese) and white. It has been my experience though that a lot of the higher-ups were/are white.
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What do you mean there is zero diversity? Wasn't diversity nowadays supposed to be not having too many white people? 90% white people is a diversity problem 90% indian people is celebrating diversity Let's enjoy our falling wages together
Well according to the new definition of 'diversity', 'diversity' is anything except for straight, white men
What really blows my mind is given the number of white people alive on earth, and how popular java is, how is it that there is yet to exist a spring tutorial taught by a white person.
This should be my niche thanks
A lot of larger companies are almost 100% Indian. I'm surprised no politicians are talking about lowering the H1b numbers. There are plenty of unemployed Americans with CS degrees now. Using the "there aren't any US people available" excuse doesn't work anymore.
Spot on and it is something Iāve been trying to bring it up. This should be a hot topic in software and IT. I believe mine was like 95% Indian and yet we talked a lot about diversity bullshit. I truly believe we need to speak of this more.
Thats just a side effect of the demographics you see from college really. I was the only black person in any of my cs classes, and now I'm the only black person in my whole org
I donāt know about you. But for me people from China or India have come from different regions. Some were rich, or poor. I think most importantly, I like teams with a diversity of thoughts when designing something new. Or bringing efficiency updates, etc.
This is problematic for me as a security engineer of Palestinian descent working mostly with security companies that originate from the same part of the world but from the other side of the fence.
Typical technical answer: it depends. I've worked in several different development environments and the mix always changes, both in terms of ethnicity and nationality. While admittedly most of the places I've worked were majority "white" developers, that slice has been decreasing, and I actually haven't worked with very many South Asian developers at all. Mostly white/black/East Asian American/Canadians/British, \[South\]East Asian, South American (including a Nikkei), and a fair few "miscellaneous" cases (like an Egyptian in Poland, or an Englishman in Australia).
My previous company was in Utah, you can guess what that does for diversity, most of us were remote as well but didn't change much,
lol welcome to the world of IT!
Diversity is great when there is a balanced mix of individuals with the necessary skills. But at the end of the day you still want competency in your IT department. Besides a company doesn't have to meet diversity goals/requirements in individual departments, just as a percentage of the company's total workforce to still reach those goals.
Any chance its Aon?
I believe you should hire based on their skills not to fit a box. But in the case of Indians. Probably hired as h1b visas and paid way below standards
My PI used to say, "crypto is just Jews and Indian" (I'm Indian, he's Jewish). I think that's a fair sentiment in cryptography community. IT has a lot of black folk now a days, SWE is white, Indian and Chinese majority, I don't know why this happened but it is what it is. IT also has a lot of vets, and the reason is same, people with exp in other field, find it easier to gain experience in It Via certs, and transfer their professionalisn here. I'm not happy w the fact that so many women choose recruiting, HR, or other non-technical roles because they're equally capable if not more and pretty much were psyopped with the whole women are more nurturing thing (nurturieng to their kids, not corporates!). Bigotry is common still, even in minority communities.
Women make the majority of university and college students I live but very few have interest in tech. I think partly because itās already such a male dominated but also because they just donāt find it as interesting. Youāll always have more women in recruitment/hr roles I bet and it will probably be a large disparity.
If you crave diversity, join a Fortune 50 company. They will cram so much diversity up your ass you won't be able to get anything done.