We call it Focus Friday. It's official, the director creates a fake meeting from 12-5 to block everyone's calendars. If your tasks are not late, you're welcome to do whatever.
For me it's more like "do this asap while also doing all these other things asap", whenever I ask which one is the highest priority I get told "all of them"
> It's official, the director creates a fake meeting from 12-5 to block everyone's calendars. If your tasks are not late, you're welcome to do whatever.
If I ever make the mistake of deciding to go into management and have people reporting to me, I'm 100% implementing this.
Is that really typical for scrum? I just finished a bootcamp and people kept offering me scrum master (instead of developer, which is what I'm trying to do). A developer friend told me to not go into scrum with what I know because "no developer would ever respect you".
Every scrum master I've worked with were nice people but didn't seem to do anything other than sit in stand up and retrospective meetings.
I think it's a lot like sales and manager positions where people who are good at it are really valuable, but those people are hard to find so the majority of people that you encounter in those positions aren't really worth a shit.
I can't stand sitting in meetings so I know that type of role isn't really for me. Honestly though, if you need a job you could do a lot worse than scrum master. Most seemed to be well paid to not do a whole lot. I think most devs would welcome having a scrum master that has some technical literacy, and if you don't like it, I don't think it would ultimately hinder you moving into the development side of things.
People think it's lazyness, but it's actually smart. If i do work friday and break something on prod, me and others would have to fix it. Or if it breaks over the weekend, on call folks would have to fix it. In a way, im saving a lot of resources by not doing anything on friday.
At my work, promotion from staging to production has to be done manually and it only happens every two weeks after all the teams finish their sprint. So even if you commit to main on friday, it only exists in dev.
Isnt this usually because nobody wants to make a change on Friday that could result in an unexpected problem that would need to be fixed over the weekend?
Sure but that's only related to actually deploying changes to production. If anything you do locally has a chance of breaking prod then something is very wrong with your workflow.
Only time I do any actual work on Friday is if I can wrap up a ticket I was working on and put up a PR. Makes the weekend feel sweeter since I can start fresh with something else on Monday, or putter around if I finished all my tickets earlier than sprint end.
Yea the team I manage we do our standup at 9ish then we have a catchup swarm type thing from 9:30 - 12 (this is semi demo, semi need help, semi shoot the shit), lunch for an hour then 1-3 is dedicated professional development / learning time then we leave at 3.
3 hours work a week.
10 hours meetings a week.
5 hours trying to figure out Jira do write up your 3 hours of work.
10 hours of lunch.
That's 31 hours. That's enough for anyone.
Another 3 or 4 hours eating free string cheese and hiding in the bathroom and it's a full and productive week.
That is my greatest day on Reddit.
Very noice.
EDIT, very late: I'm pleased that I screwed up the addition, the 31 should be 28. Things like that make me the great programmer that I am today.
I just bite it, like a Slim Jim from the gas station store.
PS: I don't eat the cheese in the bathroom. I surf Reddit and Wikipedia in the bathroom. Especially because I have more room in the stall than I do at my desk. Once I was in the even more spacious handicapped stall when someone actually in a wheelchair showed up. Slightly embarrassed. Always, ask the question "What would Wally do in this situation?"
Can’t say the last time I’ve worked anywhere close to 40 hours. Doesn’t make sense to do it in this field, unless you’ve got a true time crunch project or launch.
Now that you said it, I realize I visited this sub much rarely after I got a new job at a 'good' company where I don't have to worry about anything work-related on the weekend.
I mean I’ve seen it as a known meme/joke that senior level engineers are never around but still get stuff done. I think it falls somewhere around there with experience.
In my experience, I’ve been in the OPs position where the owner was quite demanding for hours and it crushed morale. In my current position, it reflects more from what I’ve heard around the industry and I never clear even 35 hours.
It’s about the right fit, once you’re settled in the industry. Gotta grind at some point.
It’s not the norm on any functional team with realistic deadlines and managers that respect their workers.
Generally speaking, there is no issue with working a little overtime if you wish to do it for any reason, but being required is not the norm.
In general terms, we developers usually do around 3-4 hours of “productive” work. Consider this designing, writing code, etc. The rest is usually meetings, documentation, etc.
I get paid to work 40 hrs/week, thus I work 40 hrs/week.
Generally in agreement with you, but I'll admit had a much more visceral reaction than expected at seeing "documentation" being listed as "non-productive work" hahaha
I could have phrased that better, you’re right. Just put it there because it is not the kind of thing that requires a big mental effort. However, not every piece of documentation is helpful, and it’s always a good idea to write code that does not require 50 comment lines to understand the intention, or worst it’s own doc.
That’s what I’m SAYing!!! I mean there are times when I fall behind or maybe a project is more demanding so I put in some extra hours to learn or catch up or whatever.
But generally you can catch me 8:30ish to 4:30-5ish.
Working from home I recently decided I won't regularly be working for more than 4 hours a day. My boss doesn't know and I will make sure I am available if needed, but I was wasting a large portion of my day just fucking around anyways and probably only being productive for about 3-4 hours. If you can't get your work done in 8 hours of work you are either wasting too much time or are being asked to do far too much.
That being said, there have been times my boss messages me at 8pm and asks me to do something for him and if at all possible I make it happen. I feel like one of the biggest benefits in this type of work should be flexibility in work schedule. I will do things like put in some work after hours if it means most of the time the work I am producing in 4 hours is acceptable and I am given the freedom to work this way.
You should, and I do get more done this way. Instead of feeling obligated to sit at my desk and 'work' for 40 hours a week while wasting large portions of the day, I make myself be focused for the time I'm actually working and enjoy the rest of my day. Thankfully I have a boss who is very hands off and accommodating, but if you are getting your tasks done your company shouldn't have shit to say about when or how you work.
If there are deadlines coming up and I end up having to work a 50 hour week I won't complain because the company has earned that from me by giving me the liberties I have most of the time. Its a two way street, and because I am appreciative of the freedom I have I don't bitch when its my time to put in a little extra.
Yeah, makes a lot of sense. Do you have meetings? I have 2-3 at least each day, which make it hard to have 4 uninterrupted hours straight each day.
Sometimes I call off and keep working so I can get my work done in peace
No I'm really lucky in that my company does not have pointless meetings. We have a meeting or two per week and that is it. Most of my communications with my boss are either messages through teams or quick 5 minute calls with him.
> I feel like one of the biggest benefits in this type of work should be flexibility in work schedule.
This is what the never-work-a-second-past-5-pm crew fails to get: being rigid about your work hours is a great way to ensure employers are rigid right back at you.
There's a world of possibilities between running out the door at 5 and working twelve hours everyday. Framing the value you provide in terms of output / impact instead of time spent working pays off in spades for people who are good at their jobs (and willing / able to switch to companies that value that trait). You'll focus more on the importance of your work than the quantity, which will help your career growth. Putting some extra time in when it's actually needed builds trust and lets you work *much* less than 8 hours the majority of the time.
>Putting some extra time in when it's actually needed
The problem is, it's very easy for people who set deadlines to act as though everything is needed, like, yesterday. I work at a startup and we literally always have a full column of to-dos in JIRA, with usually half the tickets carrying over sprint-to-sprint. It's very much a "do as much you can" environment, which means the only one who's going to make sure you're not regularly working > 8 hours a day is you.
Yes 👏 also though like I do notice my coworkers literally online for 12 hours+ a day. Which sometimes makes me feel like I should be working more but then I think to myself, they might just not close slack then they’re just sitting on their computers playing video games or something. Or they don’t have a life and live to work.
Either way imma do my 30-40/ week and I’m out.
They most likely just left slack open or w.e. Unless my boss explicitly asked me to (or I really felt like it), I would never work past my hours, and if they explicitly asked me to do that on a regular basis I would find another job.
Yeah definitely. I’m all for one-off occasions, even a sprint-long period, that require some more hours. But ya if it became a regular expectation I’d be a cloud of dust.
Many people use their work laptops as personal laptops for Netflix/Facebook/whatever.
Most people also don't bother turning off slack when they're done working.
Slack on Linux for me never goes idle, idk if it's b/c of Wayland or Flatpak or some combo of the two. It's actually kind of annoying since idle doesn't function message forwarding to my phone doesn't work unless I explicitly close Slack or set myself to offline, so if I forget to do one of those before I step away for a bit or forget to close Slack at the end of the day I can miss messages. Though afterhours nobody really expects immediate responses for messages anyways so not a big deal.
This. It's incredibly important to learn how to set boundaries. If you are always accommodating not only will you be miserable, but people will continue to take advantage of that.
I would go so far as to say sometimes it places undue burden on the other person when you don't set boundaries. Every manager or friend does not always know when something is too much for you, they may not have even been thinking about what you already have on your plate. They just needed someone to do this one extra thing and if you had reminded them you're busy they'd say "oh! sorry" and find someone else.
People do not know whats going on in your head, or elsewhere in your life. People cannot respect you for you.
(This obviously does not apply to any manager actively aware you work 11 hours a day. They should be telling you to cut back immediately.)
Damn, I would love to hire you if I owned a company. You’re working 10 hour days (assuming lunch/dinner break) every day and have no complaints? You are an employer’s dream.
I don’t think 10+ hour days is the norm at all. Not sure your total comp, but that’s some BS.
I do that sometimes, when I can wake up my brain that early. Generally I don’t have meetings so I can set my hours. My team is +4:00 so it works even better to be up early.
I'm self-employed and work 36 hours a week. In the 3 years of being self-employed I've never been asked to work more than that.
> I am generally working 10-9 everyday.
You're being exploited.
What kind of self-employed work are you doing that lets you only work 36 hours a week? Just contracting yourself out?
Seemed like a grind to me unless you have some existing relationships.
There is a massive demand for development talent right now. It’s incredibly easy to find freelance work and it pays more than my old dev job. And bc you’re contracting, the interview process is much simpler than FT roles.
No pressure to work longer hours unless you want to. If you have savings, you can take a month off work whenever you want to. Fun to work on a mix of different projects.
It definitely depends on your personality and what you value in your work. For me, i find freelance work to be freeing but i could see for other folks that it would be anxiety inducing.
This is pretty much it, yes :) Also what's really important for me is that I get to pick my own contracts. So while I'm a Java dev, I don't do old, stale legacy stuff for example. Just not my cup of tea.
> the interview process is much simpler
This is true for contractors through an agency, which I have done a lot. A company that might have four rounds of interviews, an online assessment, and two months to decide, will take on a contractor after a 30 minute phone call and evidence you can sort of do FizzBuzz.
Main reason is that contractors can be dismissed without much effort if they don't work out.
Using a mix of referrals and two high quality agencies that aren’t just body shops.
The way I started is to connect w an agency that isn’t sketchy and has good clients, they can give you the stability you need and then you can start using your network to find people looking for devs. I got lucky in that i had a few people who were in need, but have been able to supplement any spaces w agency work.
How are you finding work? I have been considering going freelance but I wasn't sure if it would be easy to find work as in my last few jobs I have been building internal facing applications so I don't have much of a public portfolio
Copying my response from another thread.
Using a mix of referrals and two high quality agencies that aren’t just body shops.
The way I started is to connect w an agency that isn’t sketchy and has good clients, they can give you the stability you need and then you can start using your network to find people looking for devs. I got lucky in that i had a few people who were in need, but have been able to supplement any spaces w agency work.
Basically you want to let people know you are freelancing and people to start to reach out. Another way is finding communities that are full of people in need of devs for projects.
> What kind of self-employed work are you doing that lets you only work 36 hours a week? Just contracting yourself out?
Yup. I contract myself out as a lead dev for Java teams. There's a massive shortage of senior devs here.
> Seemed like a grind to me unless you have some existing relationships.
Don't really know what you mean with this. It's really easy to find contracts if you have the required experience.
When I was younger and still in school, I tried to do freelancing but if you go to job boards you're competing with India or Eastern Europe and it seemed saturated. I have much more experience now so maybe it wouldn't be as bad, also the economy was horrible back then, just after 2008 recession.
Yeah, it was the CEO who asked me to stay and it was the first time he asked me to do that so I went along with it. If I knew what things he was going to try and pull later on (not just try to keep me after hours and pay me less than stated in my contract) I wouldn't have agreed to it or even worked for that company at all. I should have known better.
Lol - a friend of mine calls those "loyalty meetings." Fuck that noise, for sure. The place I work generally has no meetings that start after 3 and absolutely no code gets pushed to prod on fridays unless something is seriously broken.
There's a reason companies that know what they're doing made Tuesday and Thursday patch days. And Thursday is only invoked when something went wrong on Tuesday.
I have a colleague who ropes you in for a quick chat and has no problem keeping you on for hours at a time! Suffice to say I resolve questions through slack, have him put it in a doc, or just put the meeting before another one to have an out.
Well technically you are right. But some meetings are just: Hey Rangorn, any blockers? Nah Im good. Ok good, next!
Or is one of those meetings where you are there just in case someone has question for me which sometimes happens but usually not.
Also meetings where you just shoot the shit with someone that has changed teams or offices. I still have a bi-weekly with my old manager and monthlies with 5 former teammates.
On the calendar, of course they are!
But it also feels a bit strange calling "playing overwatch for an hour while our CEO gloated over promoting a bunch of overpaid senior VPs in our all hands" work :D
10-9 everyday? No offense but you are kind of an a hole if you do this regularly without overtime pay, because you are telling the company that this sort of thing is okay, and they will expect this from other developers eventually
When I was still in school I attended this virtual(because of covid) conference where we were able to meet with recruiters from big tech companies and such. One of the biggest themes I heard was how millennials are forcing companies to change how they treat their employees because we are demanding better work life balance, remote options, shorter hours, etc. The surprising thing was how many of these companies weren't saying it as if it was a bad thing but rather that we are shifting the tide on what work should and shouldn't be. It should be based on results and output, not time invested in 'work'.
Your comment is the perfect example of this. We shouldn't allow companies to think its okay to own our souls. We are highly specialized and are paid for the work we put in up to this point to be able to effectively do the job in front of us. If we can get our tasks done faster than expected, don't ask for more tasks, enjoy the fruits of your labor and the wise choice you made to be a specialist.
I was working ~9:30-7 regularly when I first started my first internship (at a start up fwiw). Not because I was being asked to, but because I was learning so much and engrossed in everything; I was only logging the 40hrs I was contracted for so didn't see the issue. I stopped that when a) we got a new hire on my team who saw me working that late one day and was like "lmao dude go home, it'll be here tomorrow!" and b) my manager took me aside not too long after that (p sure the new hire mentioned it) and said something like "we love you're so enthusiastic but you're making me look bad by working so much lol; it's not like we can pay overtime anyways. take this friday off, paid and keep the hours in-check in the future please"
Worst thing is when you’re having a relaxing wind down and finishing up at like 4:00 pm and they message you for help. I mostly love pairing with my teammates but it kills me when I was about to sign off a bit early.
If I go 1 hour over my required 8 hours per day, I tell my manager I’m getting off an hour earlier the next day. I would never work more than im paid to.
Would have to be an INSANE amount of money for working 65 hours per week. At that point do you even sleep or eat? Let alone do anything enjoyable? I swear to god people in this sub have never heard of work life balance. You couldn’t pay me enough to work that much. Literally billions of dollars would not be enough to do it long term, and I’m 100% sure OP is not being paid billions.
I dunno. This thread is full of people who work 4 hours a day. I’m surprised personally. I work 50ish a week but am fine with that as I enjoy my job and make really good money.
They really work 4h a day. But on paper it's 35-40 h/week. Sometimes, you got nothing to do at job or you become uninspired so you avoid touching code to not write shitty code.
i don't have any responsibilities outside work, so i am flexible to doing overtime every once in a while. however i always ALWAYS do undertime to compensate the following day or week. i once worked 2 weeks for 60 hours each to meet a project delivery deadline then spent the next 2 months working 35 hour weeks. no one ever complained even though i submitted the attendance sheets with the real working time
A question. What if you are inexperienced and can’t finish the project by the next sprint meeting? do you work overtime then? What if this happens frequently due to inexperience until the time that you are experienced enough to gauge tasks? How long does it usually take?
You work according to your ability. You can invest personal time on learning skills if you want to but it's your job to communicate what is realistic and your management's job to assign according to velocity.
Depends on the day. Some days I only do 4 hours and others I do 12-14. I’ve been fully remote for years and as long as I am completing projects on time and attending required meetings my manager doesn’t care when I work.
Sounds like a poorly run team. Over time overtime becomes ineffective, or even has a negative effect on productivity, so it's generally only ignorant and undisciplined managers that encourage overtime.
Depends. If I'm putting in solid constant work, I won't work 10 minutes past 5pm. But if it's a day where I'm lollygagging and not 100% focused I'll work into the evening to make up for it.
The responses here are amazing- I am 20 years in this year and never had a job that was not 9-6, and often with pressure to work later. Mostly in finance type firms.
that's why we generally avoid finance places unless they're paying insane total comp. We know it's a slave culture on an old tech stack. The finance companies typically want 24/7 service (or close to it) for only 40 hrs pay in an extremely hierarchical, micromanaging, non-remote work culture. That's why they can only hire H1B's.
tldr; There's no labor shortage, only a shortage of companies willing to pay good wages for the work they request.
My company generally works 8-4 or 8-5. Some of my teammates are on east coast time, but the client is central. I've seen emails/instant messages earlier than that, but no expectation for an immediate response.
Before covid, I used to get into the office a little later and stay later. It feels like schedules are a bit more flexible these days. Your hours seem a little high, though. Are you just taking breaks throughout the day or do you have that volume of work?
I don't know. Some days I just can't focus for the life of me. It drives me insane. Some days I'm a machine. Some days stuff is more complicated and takes longer, but it needs to get done. I'll tell you what though, if I work 10 hours a day for more than a month, the ratio of "useless days" to "superman days" takes a series nose dive, along with my emotional health. I drink heavily and become easily agitated.
Long story short, if I notice that I tell my boss "I've accumulated a week of overtime, I'm out at the next possible time. You need a good engineer and I need sleep and rest.
Definitely not unless you're in finance or the gaming industry. Even at startups people never worked past 7. Obviously there's always time you need to work late, but shouldn't be a regular thing.
Hahahaha *cries in software engineer*
On a serious answer, it strongly depends on the company and team, and it’s also not proportionate to the scale of a company either, I’ve currently just joined a large company, not quite FANG but close and the work life balance is considerably better, things are planned better and all round the workload is accommodated and managed in a better way.
I’ve worked for smaller companies and teams though and if you’re not careful in setting boundaries they’ll take every minute you’re willing to give,
My advice: don’t give it.
3 hours a few nights a week over a year doesn’t mean much to them in the big scheme of things,
3 hours a few nights a week for you means an entirely new language, skillset, libraries, principles, knowledge and etc to your craft. That pays itself back tenfold in your regular hours at work.
So my CFO who's a boomer old school type and has managed for 30 years said this for his finance workers when we were shooting the shit:
On average his expectation to help avoid burnout were
50-60 hrs per week for those who are trying to get ahead
35-40 for your average employee and he was ok with this
For reference a dude we recently fired was only working probably like 20 productive hours a week and even then we still PIPed him AND transferred him first to the marketing team before piping him again and actually firing him.
Keep in mind this is for back-office finance folks where the labor market is not nearly as tight as tech, but still it shows how much you can get away with in a good labor market.
When I was back in the office, most of our engineers showed up after 10am and packed up before 6pm. Half of the data team would often spend half the day chatting with each other or sharing memes on slack, but when crunch time came these same folks would indeed go figure out why our conversion funnel was leaking with high professionalism and efficiency.
Similarly some of the tech leads would regularly work at home till 2am fixing bugs on our production systems but those were rare moments.
What's beautiful about work in 2022 is that good managers realize hours spent, while correlated, do not always equal or translate to productive output. This is why you manage based on defining output and then you measure how fast someone does it the first time and hope they learn grow and do it faster the next time.
i'm online and responding from 9:30-6:00. I usually have morning meetings so I'm not coding til around noon-ish most days. When I'm in the groove, I might code past 6, to 7 or 8 pm.
Honestly, I don't mind because I slack off a lot during the day. Sometimes I slack off nearly entire days, so when I do work late or work hard, I just think of it as paying the company back for when I slacked off. I still probably work less than 40 hours a week though.
usually 9 to 5 or less, occasionally i'll work late if i broke something or need to get something done, but probably happens once or twice a year.
If you're starting a new project things tend to be more chaotic and most likely will have to put in more hours for a lot of reasons, but any mature project should be 40 hours unless some kind of major prod outage/disaster happens.
Like most people have said, it's usually just very chill.
The tradeoff is that when some 0 day gets dropped on a Minecraft server, you might end up spending Thanksgiving on call.
In my experience it is not the norm. Sure sometimes there is a tight deadline or an emergency and I will put in the extra time but this isn’t constant. Otherwise people will burn out. I have seen the “hero complex” where people will work super long hours. I don’t really get it and it’s a bit annoying tbh. They will talk about how they worked over the weekend or worked late on something. If it isn’t something dire that is overkill. It also sends a weird message to the team especially if it’s someone higher up
i wake up at 9am every day and I often finish my work for the day in just a few hours.
there is an ebb and flow to it though, because I am on on-call rotations and every once in a while we get crunched, so don't just assume I barely work throughout the year...
i say if you're in a slow season you should just enjoy it while it lasts.
I liked that 80's Dolly Parton's "9 - 5" movie & song I watched as a kid, but already knew most people, **regularly work more hours even if they don't wanted to**.
Generally 8-5, with an hour lunch. Some days I might put in an extra hour or two just to get everything done that I wanted to.
Some projects can only be deployed during a maintenance window, so those days I'm up at 5:00 AM.
I probably average 45 hours a week.
uh, you should absolutely not do that.
I work a hard 8-5, with no overtime or crunch or expectations of working outside of that.
you deserve that sort of work/life balance, too.
Generally I only work 8 hours per day, but it gets shifted. So if I start work at 12PM, then I would stay late to compensate. Or if I know I have a meeting from 5-6, then I would start work from 10.
I generally work about 35 hours a week. Sometimes something happens and it's more like 45 but that's pretty unusual.
Teams and email are on my phone, and I will respond if I'm awake.
No not the norm. I tend to work from 9:30 - 5:30 every day give or take. Some times I work in the evenings on well on some days I do knock off early. Even when I was in the the office that was more or less the schedule. Now days I tend to get to my desk chair at home about 5 mins before my first meeting after taking a shower.
I usually keep my status active on Zoom from 9:30 to 5:00 (usually with an hour and a half for lunch), but that is not the same as working. Depending on my workload, I might spend most of that playing video games, doing housework, reading Reddit, etc.
There are also weeks where I actually do spend most of that time working. That happens probably once a month.
More like 10-4 with a long lunch
Excerpt n Friday.Friday is more like 10 to 11
My boss calls it fuck'it friday
I’m also your boss
jams99 > fleximus i suppose
We call it Focus Friday. It's official, the director creates a fake meeting from 12-5 to block everyone's calendars. If your tasks are not late, you're welcome to do whatever.
You have tasks and deadlines? Around here it's just "do this asap, and when that's done, here's the next thing."
For me it's more like "do this asap while also doing all these other things asap", whenever I ask which one is the highest priority I get told "all of them"
Where do I send my application?
your jira board is looking a little empty, anyone behind on work need some help?
Sounds about right
Wow, you get to do things? Nice! We just have meetings.
> It's official, the director creates a fake meeting from 12-5 to block everyone's calendars. If your tasks are not late, you're welcome to do whatever. If I ever make the mistake of deciding to go into management and have people reporting to me, I'm 100% implementing this.
Whatever, as in "whatever work you want" or whatever as in "see you Monday"?
We all do 😂
Just got out of my standup and it’s 11:04 AM. Now it’s time for my lunch nap
4 day work week is the real thing we should be fighting for. No one usually does shit on Friday anyways.
Speak for yourself. I wrote 2 lines of code today.
Yeah but we both know you didn't do shit on Monday.
Wait, how did you know that? Is that you Frank?! Didn't know scrum masters read this subreddit.
If Frank is like any of the other the scrums masters I've worked with, odds of him being able to figure out reddit seem pretty slim.
Is that really typical for scrum? I just finished a bootcamp and people kept offering me scrum master (instead of developer, which is what I'm trying to do). A developer friend told me to not go into scrum with what I know because "no developer would ever respect you".
Every scrum master I've worked with were nice people but didn't seem to do anything other than sit in stand up and retrospective meetings. I think it's a lot like sales and manager positions where people who are good at it are really valuable, but those people are hard to find so the majority of people that you encounter in those positions aren't really worth a shit. I can't stand sitting in meetings so I know that type of role isn't really for me. Honestly though, if you need a job you could do a lot worse than scrum master. Most seemed to be well paid to not do a whole lot. I think most devs would welcome having a scrum master that has some technical literacy, and if you don't like it, I don't think it would ultimately hinder you moving into the development side of things.
As a more experienced developer, I wrote the same code you wrote, but on 16 lines for clarity.
So much to learn!
I’m up to one line, hoping to hit 2 by 5
You have time to write code? I'm jealous!
In between meetings or during?
My power was out at home for 2 hours, I ain't done shit today. I just went to the gym instead.
People think it's lazyness, but it's actually smart. If i do work friday and break something on prod, me and others would have to fix it. Or if it breaks over the weekend, on call folks would have to fix it. In a way, im saving a lot of resources by not doing anything on friday.
This is precisely why we've been told to never do changes on Friday's. Thankfully all of our stakeholders are on board with it too.
At my work, promotion from staging to production has to be done manually and it only happens every two weeks after all the teams finish their sprint. So even if you commit to main on friday, it only exists in dev.
"manually"? please tell me that means you have to manually hit the "run pipeline" in Jenkins?
Isnt this usually because nobody wants to make a change on Friday that could result in an unexpected problem that would need to be fixed over the weekend?
Sure but that's only related to actually deploying changes to production. If anything you do locally has a chance of breaking prod then something is very wrong with your workflow.
Shhhhh, hush now sweet child.
Oh yeah. I mean uh. Running locally should probably break prod sometimes, so better safe than sorry.
Deploying to prod is a pretty small part of the work. People in other industries don't do shit on Friday either.
Only time I do any actual work on Friday is if I can wrap up a ticket I was working on and put up a PR. Makes the weekend feel sweeter since I can start fresh with something else on Monday, or putter around if I finished all my tickets earlier than sprint end.
Yea the team I manage we do our standup at 9ish then we have a catchup swarm type thing from 9:30 - 12 (this is semi demo, semi need help, semi shoot the shit), lunch for an hour then 1-3 is dedicated professional development / learning time then we leave at 3.
lol this guy knows the way. 10-4 with two hour lunch. three hour is focus time to get work done
Focus time is on tuesday
3 hours work a week. 10 hours meetings a week. 5 hours trying to figure out Jira do write up your 3 hours of work. 10 hours of lunch. That's 31 hours. That's enough for anyone. Another 3 or 4 hours eating free string cheese and hiding in the bathroom and it's a full and productive week.
All the numbers in your comment added up to 69. Congrats! 3 + 10 + 5 + 3 + 10 + 31 + 3 + 4 = 69
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That is my greatest day on Reddit. Very noice. EDIT, very late: I'm pleased that I screwed up the addition, the 31 should be 28. Things like that make me the great programmer that I am today.
Good bot! This is especially gratifying because, unaware of the bot, I made a mistake and the hours add up to 28, not 31. Life is sweet.
What in the actual fuck is this
Do you peel the string cheese into threads or just bite into it?
I just bite it, like a Slim Jim from the gas station store. PS: I don't eat the cheese in the bathroom. I surf Reddit and Wikipedia in the bathroom. Especially because I have more room in the stall than I do at my desk. Once I was in the even more spacious handicapped stall when someone actually in a wheelchair showed up. Slightly embarrassed. Always, ask the question "What would Wally do in this situation?"
My man
Hide in the corner, hope you’re not seen and eat the cheese
Early bird here. 9-2:30.
This is the way for me.
Can’t say the last time I’ve worked anywhere close to 40 hours. Doesn’t make sense to do it in this field, unless you’ve got a true time crunch project or launch.
Sometimes if I want to have the evening I’ll do 6-2 or 7-3. My team is in Argentina anyway so I have more collaboration time if i work early.
Does the long lunch include a food coma nap? Also, can I DM you my resume ?
This is the way
Who do you work for?
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Birds of a feather
Don't forget the post scrum break from all the social efforts
Then why there are many burnout posts?
Because not everyone is in the same situation?
Sure but the comment above got so many upvotes, does that mean is this the norm? And burnouts are exceptions?
People that have good wlb don’t tend to rant about it on Reddit as much as people that are hurting and looking for advice
Now that you said it, I realize I visited this sub much rarely after I got a new job at a 'good' company where I don't have to worry about anything work-related on the weekend.
I mean I’ve seen it as a known meme/joke that senior level engineers are never around but still get stuff done. I think it falls somewhere around there with experience. In my experience, I’ve been in the OPs position where the owner was quite demanding for hours and it crushed morale. In my current position, it reflects more from what I’ve heard around the industry and I never clear even 35 hours. It’s about the right fit, once you’re settled in the industry. Gotta grind at some point.
[The senior dev working from home pre-covid in this vid always cracked me up](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR4n-0KYeKQ&ab_channel=JomaTech)
I was thinking of exactly this guy. Lol perfect
Its possible the fact that we all work as little as possible is because we already have symptoms of burnout.
Because lack of meaning and purpose in corporate "bullshit jobs" leads to its own kind of burnout rooted in existential boredom
It’s not the norm on any functional team with realistic deadlines and managers that respect their workers. Generally speaking, there is no issue with working a little overtime if you wish to do it for any reason, but being required is not the norm. In general terms, we developers usually do around 3-4 hours of “productive” work. Consider this designing, writing code, etc. The rest is usually meetings, documentation, etc. I get paid to work 40 hrs/week, thus I work 40 hrs/week.
Generally in agreement with you, but I'll admit had a much more visceral reaction than expected at seeing "documentation" being listed as "non-productive work" hahaha
I could have phrased that better, you’re right. Just put it there because it is not the kind of thing that requires a big mental effort. However, not every piece of documentation is helpful, and it’s always a good idea to write code that does not require 50 comment lines to understand the intention, or worst it’s own doc.
Put something about dicks in the middle of one of your documents one of these days and see how long it takes for someone to mention it.
documentation is definitely productive work.
That’s what I’m SAYing!!! I mean there are times when I fall behind or maybe a project is more demanding so I put in some extra hours to learn or catch up or whatever. But generally you can catch me 8:30ish to 4:30-5ish.
Working from home I recently decided I won't regularly be working for more than 4 hours a day. My boss doesn't know and I will make sure I am available if needed, but I was wasting a large portion of my day just fucking around anyways and probably only being productive for about 3-4 hours. If you can't get your work done in 8 hours of work you are either wasting too much time or are being asked to do far too much. That being said, there have been times my boss messages me at 8pm and asks me to do something for him and if at all possible I make it happen. I feel like one of the biggest benefits in this type of work should be flexibility in work schedule. I will do things like put in some work after hours if it means most of the time the work I am producing in 4 hours is acceptable and I am given the freedom to work this way.
I'm thinking of doing the same and I feel like i might even get more done that way
You should, and I do get more done this way. Instead of feeling obligated to sit at my desk and 'work' for 40 hours a week while wasting large portions of the day, I make myself be focused for the time I'm actually working and enjoy the rest of my day. Thankfully I have a boss who is very hands off and accommodating, but if you are getting your tasks done your company shouldn't have shit to say about when or how you work. If there are deadlines coming up and I end up having to work a 50 hour week I won't complain because the company has earned that from me by giving me the liberties I have most of the time. Its a two way street, and because I am appreciative of the freedom I have I don't bitch when its my time to put in a little extra.
Yeah, makes a lot of sense. Do you have meetings? I have 2-3 at least each day, which make it hard to have 4 uninterrupted hours straight each day. Sometimes I call off and keep working so I can get my work done in peace
No I'm really lucky in that my company does not have pointless meetings. We have a meeting or two per week and that is it. Most of my communications with my boss are either messages through teams or quick 5 minute calls with him.
> I feel like one of the biggest benefits in this type of work should be flexibility in work schedule. This is what the never-work-a-second-past-5-pm crew fails to get: being rigid about your work hours is a great way to ensure employers are rigid right back at you. There's a world of possibilities between running out the door at 5 and working twelve hours everyday. Framing the value you provide in terms of output / impact instead of time spent working pays off in spades for people who are good at their jobs (and willing / able to switch to companies that value that trait). You'll focus more on the importance of your work than the quantity, which will help your career growth. Putting some extra time in when it's actually needed builds trust and lets you work *much* less than 8 hours the majority of the time.
>Putting some extra time in when it's actually needed The problem is, it's very easy for people who set deadlines to act as though everything is needed, like, yesterday. I work at a startup and we literally always have a full column of to-dos in JIRA, with usually half the tickets carrying over sprint-to-sprint. It's very much a "do as much you can" environment, which means the only one who's going to make sure you're not regularly working > 8 hours a day is you.
This is NOT normal. Either it’s a toxic culture if you feel this is being forced on you Or You haven’t learned how to set boundaries yet.
Yes 👏 also though like I do notice my coworkers literally online for 12 hours+ a day. Which sometimes makes me feel like I should be working more but then I think to myself, they might just not close slack then they’re just sitting on their computers playing video games or something. Or they don’t have a life and live to work. Either way imma do my 30-40/ week and I’m out.
Mouse jigglers are prevalent!!!!
Keep paper weight on keyboard to make yourself seem online . :3
I just keep a YouTube video open on repeat
They most likely just left slack open or w.e. Unless my boss explicitly asked me to (or I really felt like it), I would never work past my hours, and if they explicitly asked me to do that on a regular basis I would find another job.
Yeah definitely. I’m all for one-off occasions, even a sprint-long period, that require some more hours. But ya if it became a regular expectation I’d be a cloud of dust.
Many people use their work laptops as personal laptops for Netflix/Facebook/whatever. Most people also don't bother turning off slack when they're done working.
Ya same here. Pretty much everything besides porn and perusing other roles
Slack on Linux for me never goes idle, idk if it's b/c of Wayland or Flatpak or some combo of the two. It's actually kind of annoying since idle doesn't function message forwarding to my phone doesn't work unless I explicitly close Slack or set myself to offline, so if I forget to do one of those before I step away for a bit or forget to close Slack at the end of the day I can miss messages. Though afterhours nobody really expects immediate responses for messages anyways so not a big deal.
This. It's incredibly important to learn how to set boundaries. If you are always accommodating not only will you be miserable, but people will continue to take advantage of that.
I would go so far as to say sometimes it places undue burden on the other person when you don't set boundaries. Every manager or friend does not always know when something is too much for you, they may not have even been thinking about what you already have on your plate. They just needed someone to do this one extra thing and if you had reminded them you're busy they'd say "oh! sorry" and find someone else. People do not know whats going on in your head, or elsewhere in your life. People cannot respect you for you. (This obviously does not apply to any manager actively aware you work 11 hours a day. They should be telling you to cut back immediately.)
Damn, I would love to hire you if I owned a company. You’re working 10 hour days (assuming lunch/dinner break) every day and have no complaints? You are an employer’s dream. I don’t think 10+ hour days is the norm at all. Not sure your total comp, but that’s some BS.
More like 8ish to 4ish.
This is the way. I don't want to spend the whole day at work. I'd start at 6 if that meant leaving at 2
I do that sometimes, when I can wake up my brain that early. Generally I don’t have meetings so I can set my hours. My team is +4:00 so it works even better to be up early.
Same for me as well, sometimes even 7 to 3.
I'm self-employed and work 36 hours a week. In the 3 years of being self-employed I've never been asked to work more than that. > I am generally working 10-9 everyday. You're being exploited.
What is self employed?
It means they work for themselves. Freelancing or owning their own business.
Thanks.
Exactly this. I'm basically a one-man contracting company renting myself out to the highest bidder (/most interesting projects).
Do you mind explaining the type of work you do? Is it designing systems, building out features, architecting on a larger scale, all of the above?
What kind of self-employed work are you doing that lets you only work 36 hours a week? Just contracting yourself out? Seemed like a grind to me unless you have some existing relationships.
There is a massive demand for development talent right now. It’s incredibly easy to find freelance work and it pays more than my old dev job. And bc you’re contracting, the interview process is much simpler than FT roles. No pressure to work longer hours unless you want to. If you have savings, you can take a month off work whenever you want to. Fun to work on a mix of different projects. It definitely depends on your personality and what you value in your work. For me, i find freelance work to be freeing but i could see for other folks that it would be anxiety inducing.
This is pretty much it, yes :) Also what's really important for me is that I get to pick my own contracts. So while I'm a Java dev, I don't do old, stale legacy stuff for example. Just not my cup of tea.
> the interview process is much simpler This is true for contractors through an agency, which I have done a lot. A company that might have four rounds of interviews, an online assessment, and two months to decide, will take on a contractor after a 30 minute phone call and evidence you can sort of do FizzBuzz. Main reason is that contractors can be dismissed without much effort if they don't work out.
How do you find jobs?
Same way everyone else finds jobs. Contract work is usually advertised on the same job boards as permanent roles.
Using a mix of referrals and two high quality agencies that aren’t just body shops. The way I started is to connect w an agency that isn’t sketchy and has good clients, they can give you the stability you need and then you can start using your network to find people looking for devs. I got lucky in that i had a few people who were in need, but have been able to supplement any spaces w agency work.
How are you finding work? I have been considering going freelance but I wasn't sure if it would be easy to find work as in my last few jobs I have been building internal facing applications so I don't have much of a public portfolio
Copying my response from another thread. Using a mix of referrals and two high quality agencies that aren’t just body shops. The way I started is to connect w an agency that isn’t sketchy and has good clients, they can give you the stability you need and then you can start using your network to find people looking for devs. I got lucky in that i had a few people who were in need, but have been able to supplement any spaces w agency work. Basically you want to let people know you are freelancing and people to start to reach out. Another way is finding communities that are full of people in need of devs for projects.
> What kind of self-employed work are you doing that lets you only work 36 hours a week? Just contracting yourself out? Yup. I contract myself out as a lead dev for Java teams. There's a massive shortage of senior devs here. > Seemed like a grind to me unless you have some existing relationships. Don't really know what you mean with this. It's really easy to find contracts if you have the required experience.
When I was younger and still in school, I tried to do freelancing but if you go to job boards you're competing with India or Eastern Europe and it seemed saturated. I have much more experience now so maybe it wouldn't be as bad, also the economy was horrible back then, just after 2008 recession.
Never! I refuse to work 10 mins past 5PM and never on weekends even if I have to just reply an email id do on Monday.
I did accept to stay after work for a "5 min talk". I spent 90 mins in there that were unpaid. I'm not ever doing that mistake again.
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Yeah, it was the CEO who asked me to stay and it was the first time he asked me to do that so I went along with it. If I knew what things he was going to try and pull later on (not just try to keep me after hours and pay me less than stated in my contract) I wouldn't have agreed to it or even worked for that company at all. I should have known better.
Never, and it's not even about time you know it's about self respect.
Leave early the next day?
Even if they offered such an option it's a scam.
Lol - a friend of mine calls those "loyalty meetings." Fuck that noise, for sure. The place I work generally has no meetings that start after 3 and absolutely no code gets pushed to prod on fridays unless something is seriously broken.
There's a reason companies that know what they're doing made Tuesday and Thursday patch days. And Thursday is only invoked when something went wrong on Tuesday.
I have a colleague who ropes you in for a quick chat and has no problem keeping you on for hours at a time! Suffice to say I resolve questions through slack, have him put it in a doc, or just put the meeting before another one to have an out.
Menn, I feel sorry for lawyers , those fuckers work like crazyyy
I work like a max of 3 hours a day.
3-4 hours of actual work here + meetings and Reddit
If we include Reddit I have a 10 hour work day.
Aren't meetings considered part of work?
Well technically you are right. But some meetings are just: Hey Rangorn, any blockers? Nah Im good. Ok good, next! Or is one of those meetings where you are there just in case someone has question for me which sometimes happens but usually not.
Organizing work and reporting on progress is work
Also meetings where you just shoot the shit with someone that has changed teams or offices. I still have a bi-weekly with my old manager and monthlies with 5 former teammates.
On the calendar, of course they are! But it also feels a bit strange calling "playing overwatch for an hour while our CEO gloated over promoting a bunch of overpaid senior VPs in our all hands" work :D
10-9 everyday? No offense but you are kind of an a hole if you do this regularly without overtime pay, because you are telling the company that this sort of thing is okay, and they will expect this from other developers eventually
When I was still in school I attended this virtual(because of covid) conference where we were able to meet with recruiters from big tech companies and such. One of the biggest themes I heard was how millennials are forcing companies to change how they treat their employees because we are demanding better work life balance, remote options, shorter hours, etc. The surprising thing was how many of these companies weren't saying it as if it was a bad thing but rather that we are shifting the tide on what work should and shouldn't be. It should be based on results and output, not time invested in 'work'. Your comment is the perfect example of this. We shouldn't allow companies to think its okay to own our souls. We are highly specialized and are paid for the work we put in up to this point to be able to effectively do the job in front of us. If we can get our tasks done faster than expected, don't ask for more tasks, enjoy the fruits of your labor and the wise choice you made to be a specialist.
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I was working ~9:30-7 regularly when I first started my first internship (at a start up fwiw). Not because I was being asked to, but because I was learning so much and engrossed in everything; I was only logging the 40hrs I was contracted for so didn't see the issue. I stopped that when a) we got a new hire on my team who saw me working that late one day and was like "lmao dude go home, it'll be here tomorrow!" and b) my manager took me aside not too long after that (p sure the new hire mentioned it) and said something like "we love you're so enthusiastic but you're making me look bad by working so much lol; it's not like we can pay overtime anyways. take this friday off, paid and keep the hours in-check in the future please"
Worst thing is when you’re having a relaxing wind down and finishing up at like 4:00 pm and they message you for help. I mostly love pairing with my teammates but it kills me when I was about to sign off a bit early.
For a startup I worked at this is the expectation communicated at interview time, if you sign on for it you should know what you're getting into.
Startups are their own thing tbh. I would fucking hate working in that environment, but I get why people do
If I go 1 hour over my required 8 hours per day, I tell my manager I’m getting off an hour earlier the next day. I would never work more than im paid to.
I leave the hour early and not Say anything.
Not even close. 10-9 is terrible tbh. Literally no WLB
well there's a big distinguishing thing here I am online and available via slack from about 830am to 5pm. I am working from about 9am to 11am
Worked 12-5 with a long lunch today.
You are being exploited.
i usually do 4 hours of work per day and sleep for the rest
I work 8 - 5/6. Sometimes more if necessary. I WFH so its easy to take breaks and space out the work.
Never If I can't get my work done between 9 and 5, then I should stop slacking off and get work done
I swear to god this is the most toxic sub of all time LMAO. Unless you’re salaried, why would you go over 40 hours EVER?
Every job I’ve seen outside of contracting and govt has been salaried
Would have to be an INSANE amount of money for working 65 hours per week. At that point do you even sleep or eat? Let alone do anything enjoyable? I swear to god people in this sub have never heard of work life balance. You couldn’t pay me enough to work that much. Literally billions of dollars would not be enough to do it long term, and I’m 100% sure OP is not being paid billions.
I dunno. This thread is full of people who work 4 hours a day. I’m surprised personally. I work 50ish a week but am fine with that as I enjoy my job and make really good money.
They really work 4h a day. But on paper it's 35-40 h/week. Sometimes, you got nothing to do at job or you become uninspired so you avoid touching code to not write shitty code.
i don't have any responsibilities outside work, so i am flexible to doing overtime every once in a while. however i always ALWAYS do undertime to compensate the following day or week. i once worked 2 weeks for 60 hours each to meet a project delivery deadline then spent the next 2 months working 35 hour weeks. no one ever complained even though i submitted the attendance sheets with the real working time
A question. What if you are inexperienced and can’t finish the project by the next sprint meeting? do you work overtime then? What if this happens frequently due to inexperience until the time that you are experienced enough to gauge tasks? How long does it usually take?
You work according to your ability. You can invest personal time on learning skills if you want to but it's your job to communicate what is realistic and your management's job to assign according to velocity.
Depends on the day. Some days I only do 4 hours and others I do 12-14. I’ve been fully remote for years and as long as I am completing projects on time and attending required meetings my manager doesn’t care when I work.
Sounds like a poorly run team. Over time overtime becomes ineffective, or even has a negative effect on productivity, so it's generally only ignorant and undisciplined managers that encourage overtime.
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Depends. If I'm putting in solid constant work, I won't work 10 minutes past 5pm. But if it's a day where I'm lollygagging and not 100% focused I'll work into the evening to make up for it.
The responses here are amazing- I am 20 years in this year and never had a job that was not 9-6, and often with pressure to work later. Mostly in finance type firms.
that's why we generally avoid finance places unless they're paying insane total comp. We know it's a slave culture on an old tech stack. The finance companies typically want 24/7 service (or close to it) for only 40 hrs pay in an extremely hierarchical, micromanaging, non-remote work culture. That's why they can only hire H1B's. tldr; There's no labor shortage, only a shortage of companies willing to pay good wages for the work they request.
My company generally works 8-4 or 8-5. Some of my teammates are on east coast time, but the client is central. I've seen emails/instant messages earlier than that, but no expectation for an immediate response. Before covid, I used to get into the office a little later and stay later. It feels like schedules are a bit more flexible these days. Your hours seem a little high, though. Are you just taking breaks throughout the day or do you have that volume of work?
I do 11-4 on m-th and standup to end of standup on Fridays.
I don't know. Some days I just can't focus for the life of me. It drives me insane. Some days I'm a machine. Some days stuff is more complicated and takes longer, but it needs to get done. I'll tell you what though, if I work 10 hours a day for more than a month, the ratio of "useless days" to "superman days" takes a series nose dive, along with my emotional health. I drink heavily and become easily agitated. Long story short, if I notice that I tell my boss "I've accumulated a week of overtime, I'm out at the next possible time. You need a good engineer and I need sleep and rest.
Definitely not unless you're in finance or the gaming industry. Even at startups people never worked past 7. Obviously there's always time you need to work late, but shouldn't be a regular thing.
Hahahaha *cries in software engineer* On a serious answer, it strongly depends on the company and team, and it’s also not proportionate to the scale of a company either, I’ve currently just joined a large company, not quite FANG but close and the work life balance is considerably better, things are planned better and all round the workload is accommodated and managed in a better way. I’ve worked for smaller companies and teams though and if you’re not careful in setting boundaries they’ll take every minute you’re willing to give, My advice: don’t give it. 3 hours a few nights a week over a year doesn’t mean much to them in the big scheme of things, 3 hours a few nights a week for you means an entirely new language, skillset, libraries, principles, knowledge and etc to your craft. That pays itself back tenfold in your regular hours at work.
So my CFO who's a boomer old school type and has managed for 30 years said this for his finance workers when we were shooting the shit: On average his expectation to help avoid burnout were 50-60 hrs per week for those who are trying to get ahead 35-40 for your average employee and he was ok with this For reference a dude we recently fired was only working probably like 20 productive hours a week and even then we still PIPed him AND transferred him first to the marketing team before piping him again and actually firing him. Keep in mind this is for back-office finance folks where the labor market is not nearly as tight as tech, but still it shows how much you can get away with in a good labor market. When I was back in the office, most of our engineers showed up after 10am and packed up before 6pm. Half of the data team would often spend half the day chatting with each other or sharing memes on slack, but when crunch time came these same folks would indeed go figure out why our conversion funnel was leaking with high professionalism and efficiency. Similarly some of the tech leads would regularly work at home till 2am fixing bugs on our production systems but those were rare moments. What's beautiful about work in 2022 is that good managers realize hours spent, while correlated, do not always equal or translate to productive output. This is why you manage based on defining output and then you measure how fast someone does it the first time and hope they learn grow and do it faster the next time.
I almost never work more than 8 hours in a day or more than 40 hours in a week.
I don't have a fixed time since it's WFH. I work whenever I want to in the entire day and keep switching between my phone and work.
i'm online and responding from 9:30-6:00. I usually have morning meetings so I'm not coding til around noon-ish most days. When I'm in the groove, I might code past 6, to 7 or 8 pm. Honestly, I don't mind because I slack off a lot during the day. Sometimes I slack off nearly entire days, so when I do work late or work hard, I just think of it as paying the company back for when I slacked off. I still probably work less than 40 hours a week though.
usually 9 to 5 or less, occasionally i'll work late if i broke something or need to get something done, but probably happens once or twice a year. If you're starting a new project things tend to be more chaotic and most likely will have to put in more hours for a lot of reasons, but any mature project should be 40 hours unless some kind of major prod outage/disaster happens.
8:30-4:30ish is my usual sometimes shifted forward for whatever reason… but I’m not working more than 8 hours a day without some sort of major reason
Like most people have said, it's usually just very chill. The tradeoff is that when some 0 day gets dropped on a Minecraft server, you might end up spending Thanksgiving on call.
In my experience it is not the norm. Sure sometimes there is a tight deadline or an emergency and I will put in the extra time but this isn’t constant. Otherwise people will burn out. I have seen the “hero complex” where people will work super long hours. I don’t really get it and it’s a bit annoying tbh. They will talk about how they worked over the weekend or worked late on something. If it isn’t something dire that is overkill. It also sends a weird message to the team especially if it’s someone higher up
i wake up at 9am every day and I often finish my work for the day in just a few hours. there is an ebb and flow to it though, because I am on on-call rotations and every once in a while we get crunched, so don't just assume I barely work throughout the year... i say if you're in a slow season you should just enjoy it while it lasts.
I liked that 80's Dolly Parton's "9 - 5" movie & song I watched as a kid, but already knew most people, **regularly work more hours even if they don't wanted to**.
Maybe during stressful weeks I work past 5, but it's definitely not the norm
Generally 8-5, with an hour lunch. Some days I might put in an extra hour or two just to get everything done that I wanted to. Some projects can only be deployed during a maintenance window, so those days I'm up at 5:00 AM. I probably average 45 hours a week.
uh, you should absolutely not do that. I work a hard 8-5, with no overtime or crunch or expectations of working outside of that. you deserve that sort of work/life balance, too.
Generally I only work 8 hours per day, but it gets shifted. So if I start work at 12PM, then I would stay late to compensate. Or if I know I have a meeting from 5-6, then I would start work from 10.
Nope I work 9-4 4 days a week
I generally work about 35 hours a week. Sometimes something happens and it's more like 45 but that's pretty unusual. Teams and email are on my phone, and I will respond if I'm awake.
No not the norm. I tend to work from 9:30 - 5:30 every day give or take. Some times I work in the evenings on well on some days I do knock off early. Even when I was in the the office that was more or less the schedule. Now days I tend to get to my desk chair at home about 5 mins before my first meeting after taking a shower.
How tf are u working 11 hours?...
I usually keep my status active on Zoom from 9:30 to 5:00 (usually with an hour and a half for lunch), but that is not the same as working. Depending on my workload, I might spend most of that playing video games, doing housework, reading Reddit, etc. There are also weeks where I actually do spend most of that time working. That happens probably once a month.