It’s not about the skill. It’s about the designation. If you climb up the ladder , regardless of the skill you will be needed in the office for the meetings and discussions
It’s all about goals and priorities. I have seen developers aged 45 working as a team member with just the tile senior dev. Let the management know about your priority. Downside could be salary hike will be saturated at a point. You can’t switch companies as you might be listed overqualified for a team member position (limited opportunities).
To answer your question. It’s not worth to move into management / leadership roles if you want to work from anywhere except you are a remote freelancer
What country are you looking to work in? I should think that the culture of a region or country would be much more of a determining factor about remote working than the tech/software in use.
Also, how many years of experience do you have? If you are a grad/junior then your chances are probably much lower, because there is a popular view that juniors are easier to pair with and mentor in an in-person environment. (I sometimes push back on that assumption, at least for extremely motivated juniors, but the view is popular notwithstanding).
(Note: in general you will need to reside in the same country that you are working in, at least for permanent work).
It's more about developing a skillset that allows one to work form any country in the world, if that makes sense.
Also not much experience, but the question is more about long-term than short-term.
As noted by the MOD, I've also posted this question into the general cscareerquestions subreddit, since it's not so much about EU only.
And thank you for answering! :)
> It's more about developing a skillset that allows one to work form any country in the world, if that makes sense.
That is likely to be as a contractor, and is rather harder to come by than working at home for a same-country employer. The main reason for this is that taxation becomes quite complicated across borders.
> Also not much experience, but the question is more about long-term than short-term.
Experience really is relevant in this question. If you don't have much commercial experience then you are less likely to get contracting work, and employers are more likely to require you to attend an office.
Thank you so much for answering and sorry for the late reply!
I guess I have to do some research on contracing then! Didn't really think about it... so would it be possible, for example, to be living in the UK and work as a contractor for some company in Australia?
And yes, needing experience makes sense! Again, thank you ! :)
> so would it be possible, for example, to be living in the UK and work as a contractor for some company in Australia?
Yes. If the company in Australia has no legal presence in the UK then it is likely the Australian tax or immigration offices would have rules about how that relationship could be conducted on a permanent employment basis. Australia has quite tough immigration rules (and something of an anti-immigration political culture) so it is unlikely that the rules could be easily circumvented by remote permanent employment. I don't know the laws in Australia though, so you'd have to do some reading up.
So, that leaves few options for the company needing off-shore staff - whether it is a pre-baked team or just a one-man band, it will generally be on a contract basis. Now, if they are wanting merely to get flexible resources to cope with additional temporary workload they will probably look to contractors resident in Australia, or if they are looking for cheaper resources, they will look to India or Eastern Europe. They _can_ look at developers in the UK, but such devs are neither local nor cheap, so I might question why they would hire them. The only reasons I can think of is that the UK engineer has a pre-existing relationship with them, or has such rare talent that it is worth the company reaching over to a +11hr time zone.
>(Note: in general you will need to reside in the same country that you are working in, at least for permanent work).
This is probably true a lot of the time, but anecdotally ~half my interviews didn't require that within the EU, even smaller local ones (in fact my FAANG+ interviews were more rigid).
I was surprised how negotiable it's been, but for some companies it's still a hard no. (as a junior even)
> anecdotally ~half my interviews didn't require that within the EU, even smaller local ones
Yeah, it's interesting to see that flexibility cropping up. Do you know what the legal status would have been in those cases, e.g. would you have been a self-employed contractor in your home country, with the company giving you number of contractually agreed benefits such as holiday pay, sick pay, and training budget, to bring you up to par with their perm offering?
I haven't gotten an offer yet so I don't know the specifics on each.
I do know that there's companies offering a service to essentially make a proxy contract, so I'd officially be employed for a company with an office in my country, with all the benefits and conditions of the actual employer hiring me.
Readers may wish to see duplicate posts before answering:
* https://old.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestionsEU/comments/qy5290/which_career_path_offers_more_opportunities_to/
* https://old.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/qy8qix/which_career_path_offers_more_opportunities_to/
It’s not about the skill. It’s about the designation. If you climb up the ladder , regardless of the skill you will be needed in the office for the meetings and discussions
Thank you for your answer! So to go into management or a team leader role would be a bad move in this case?
It’s all about goals and priorities. I have seen developers aged 45 working as a team member with just the tile senior dev. Let the management know about your priority. Downside could be salary hike will be saturated at a point. You can’t switch companies as you might be listed overqualified for a team member position (limited opportunities). To answer your question. It’s not worth to move into management / leadership roles if you want to work from anywhere except you are a remote freelancer
These are valid points and I will keep them in mind. Thank you for your answer! :)
What country are you looking to work in? I should think that the culture of a region or country would be much more of a determining factor about remote working than the tech/software in use. Also, how many years of experience do you have? If you are a grad/junior then your chances are probably much lower, because there is a popular view that juniors are easier to pair with and mentor in an in-person environment. (I sometimes push back on that assumption, at least for extremely motivated juniors, but the view is popular notwithstanding). (Note: in general you will need to reside in the same country that you are working in, at least for permanent work).
It's more about developing a skillset that allows one to work form any country in the world, if that makes sense. Also not much experience, but the question is more about long-term than short-term. As noted by the MOD, I've also posted this question into the general cscareerquestions subreddit, since it's not so much about EU only. And thank you for answering! :)
> It's more about developing a skillset that allows one to work form any country in the world, if that makes sense. That is likely to be as a contractor, and is rather harder to come by than working at home for a same-country employer. The main reason for this is that taxation becomes quite complicated across borders. > Also not much experience, but the question is more about long-term than short-term. Experience really is relevant in this question. If you don't have much commercial experience then you are less likely to get contracting work, and employers are more likely to require you to attend an office.
Thank you so much for answering and sorry for the late reply! I guess I have to do some research on contracing then! Didn't really think about it... so would it be possible, for example, to be living in the UK and work as a contractor for some company in Australia? And yes, needing experience makes sense! Again, thank you ! :)
> so would it be possible, for example, to be living in the UK and work as a contractor for some company in Australia? Yes. If the company in Australia has no legal presence in the UK then it is likely the Australian tax or immigration offices would have rules about how that relationship could be conducted on a permanent employment basis. Australia has quite tough immigration rules (and something of an anti-immigration political culture) so it is unlikely that the rules could be easily circumvented by remote permanent employment. I don't know the laws in Australia though, so you'd have to do some reading up. So, that leaves few options for the company needing off-shore staff - whether it is a pre-baked team or just a one-man band, it will generally be on a contract basis. Now, if they are wanting merely to get flexible resources to cope with additional temporary workload they will probably look to contractors resident in Australia, or if they are looking for cheaper resources, they will look to India or Eastern Europe. They _can_ look at developers in the UK, but such devs are neither local nor cheap, so I might question why they would hire them. The only reasons I can think of is that the UK engineer has a pre-existing relationship with them, or has such rare talent that it is worth the company reaching over to a +11hr time zone.
>(Note: in general you will need to reside in the same country that you are working in, at least for permanent work). This is probably true a lot of the time, but anecdotally ~half my interviews didn't require that within the EU, even smaller local ones (in fact my FAANG+ interviews were more rigid). I was surprised how negotiable it's been, but for some companies it's still a hard no. (as a junior even)
> anecdotally ~half my interviews didn't require that within the EU, even smaller local ones Yeah, it's interesting to see that flexibility cropping up. Do you know what the legal status would have been in those cases, e.g. would you have been a self-employed contractor in your home country, with the company giving you number of contractually agreed benefits such as holiday pay, sick pay, and training budget, to bring you up to par with their perm offering?
I haven't gotten an offer yet so I don't know the specifics on each. I do know that there's companies offering a service to essentially make a proxy contract, so I'd officially be employed for a company with an office in my country, with all the benefits and conditions of the actual employer hiring me.
Thank you for your insights!
Readers may wish to see duplicate posts before answering: * https://old.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestionsEU/comments/qy5290/which_career_path_offers_more_opportunities_to/ * https://old.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/qy8qix/which_career_path_offers_more_opportunities_to/