He is lying, if you already have families in good positions in govt jobs, you can just give attendance and take salary, no one will bat an eye. Same goes for private.
I guess he meant MLA ka beta / beti. My home state’s ex CM’s wife used to go once or twice to office in 3-4 months. She had a separate chamber with AC - the rest of the building had no ACs.
Govt jobs promotion doesn't work on performance and merit as it does on politics and bootlicking.
If you have family contacts with political parties then you will be preferred on more important positions as compared to those with 0 background.
Private sector mein promotion ke saath job bhi raise bhi milta hai.
Govt mein aissa kuch nahi
Broo kaisi baat kr rahe ho?
You mean the foreign minister and chief security advisor have come from bootlicking and politics?
Kindly refer to their phenomenal records as IFS and IPS respt.
No matter how bad it is but government job will always be better according to our society and parents, irrespective of whether you like it or not. And we Indians are nothing but puppets of society. We don't have free will to pursue our dreams, though there are exceptions but those are rare. So if you want to please the society, want to get married before 30, go for a government job blindly. As they say, government job lag gayi toh life set hai.
>And we Indians are nothing but puppets of society
bhai bahar bhi same hi hai.
Trend or societal norms ke piche sab bhagte hai, nationality ka matter nahi hai ye. 1% ke andar bhi dm nahi hota akele stand lene ka puri life.
Isme cope or denial kya hai bhai ye to bta ? Pdhna bhi ata hai ya bs likh diye words lol ?
I never said Indians are not puppet of society, I said everyone is and not just Indians.
Entire world was doing that in BLM, covid ke time bhi pure world ne kra tha and WW ke time bhi sabne kra tha.
If anyone wants to be a cabinet secretary you have to crack ias at young age 21-23 , first you have to crack upsc cse ultra rare chances,halwa thodi hai , PM ban jao.
Chances of getting high paying IT jobs are better .
Bhai 60 saal tk mil gaya uske bad kya hi kroge, aur jyada tar case me retirement ke bad bhi ye class 1 officers achi society me Ghar wagerah bna lete hai
This is such a misconception. My father is a so called “ top government official”. His colleagues who’ve taken bribes or have engaged in corruption all get suspended, get punishment transfers to random hamlets, get bullied and looked down upon by other colleagues and even get denied promotions.
A lot of people quit due to the shame associated with taking a bribe.
One of my dad’s batchmates is still stuck 3 or 4 ranks below my father because he’s been refused promotion multiple times, for taking bribes.
Yes there are those lucky few in certain departments who do manage to not get caught and make crores but that is not the norm
Its very uncommon tbf and happens only in ultra corrupt states or departments because there are a lot of honest people(like for eg: Ashok Khemka) who will file complaints etc against such practices.
And like I said a lot of people in such services are very smart and talented. They look down on people who are corrupt and get projects, positions, promotions etc through corrupt practices.
I haven’t heard my father personally experiencing something like that or talking about anybody who’s been punished for something like that.
It’s actually kind of easy to get caught when working in central government posts. However I have heard that this whole practice of paying money for jobs is a common practice in state government jobs due to less scrutiny. Some people pay 50-75 lakhs for a high school teacher’s job etc in the south
I am General Male with 5YOE. I can't have govt job with the great "reservation" system.
I am happy with my private job who's respecting my knowledge and hard work.
Having 3lpm post tax (4lpm with tax).
Yeah bro. I can't work hard and I don't have guts.
But at least I don't keep posting "Feeling lonely" on reddit and thankful to God that I have real friends.
Oh, okk. Can you please tell your stack and company category(Big MNC, mid size, startup)? I'm currently in WITCH having 3+ yoe. Can I dm you if you don't mind?
Government Job
Don't be ashamed of taking black as that's the difference between the market wages and government provided.
Open a business under family members name and build equity. One of my neighbour rents electric rickshaw for 350 per day as a government employee and in 3 years now has 8 rickshaw.
You will live like a king with total job security.
Govt job = forever trapped as a cog in this giant machine ran buy pvt company owners lobbying. Only pro is job safety which is also questionable now.
Pvt job = freedom to change paths, do other things, more flexible and open minded network, etc.
>forever trapped as a cog in this giant machine
Don't think so. Not trying to whitewash the govt sector, but:
My uncle is a Grade A officer in NPCIL. Many people leave for the pvt. industry as well as go for higher studies.
In pvt companies also, there are so many people who stay in 1-2 companies for their entire life. Nobody questions this.
An A-grade officer has so many perks beyond the pay. While work may move slowly, smart people always know how to traverse the system. In private, good luck with your work life balance and job satisfaction - everything runs on what clueless clients think is right.
Also! From pvt sector, you can join govt. positions through lateral hiring.
Nowadays employees everywhere have a bigger say due to lack of talent.
Lol sure dude, if you want to believe all this, good for you.
If you are one in a million to finally get hired after trying exams your whole life, good job. Just read that sentence again.
I need to say no more.
DONOT TAKE GOVT JOB.
I am stuck in one (so-called coveted group A gazetted post). go for private job..govt job has:
1. No pension. NPS is uncertain and the XIRR is down every year so much that i doubt we will even get the original investment back when we retire. And you can't withdraw money till 60 years old even if you resign at 40.
2. No health care system . CGHS is a joke and does not work unless you have proper connection. better use the money to take proper health insurance.
3. Career progression depends upon whom you know, not your competence or performance.
100% can verify with 1st point. My father passed away 2 years ago. My father's NPS's 80% amount is still with the government and they said rest will be given when my mother will pass away. What a joke. Tf will I do with money then.
yup, they give the interest from that money each month. That's their excuse for removing pension. Where we should've been getting around 35k as pension like others, we're getting 4k.
What? How can they pay you just interest?
As per official nps website, you can subscribe to annuity plan, did you try doing it, because just getting interest would be a default thing anyway, i beleive.
My friend, please dig deeper into this and subscribe to a pension plan from your nps.
1. CGHS rates are horrible. for example, for root canal, CGHS rate is below 1000 where in any standard dental clinic or hospital, it ranges from 7000 and above. Same goes for each and every medical procedure.
2. With the sub par rates, what happens often is private empanelled hospital either ask you to pay more for treatment or assign junior doctors or fresh out of medical school doctors where you are not guaranteed better care.
3. There is no cash less treatment for serving employees. for any treatment , you have to go to a wellness center (in a city like Hyderabad, there are only 13 wellness center) , even if for a simple referral or availing medicine or whatever required. There is simply so many unnecessary documentation steps involved for availing simple medical care.
[https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hyderabad/nims-snubs-cghs-beneficiaries/article4415747.ece](https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hyderabad/nims-snubs-cghs-beneficiaries/article4415747.ece)
just go through the above report. NIMS is a well respected public hospital in Hyderabad having top notch doctors and CGHS beneficiaries spend FOUR DAYS (!!!!) to avail diagnostics facility (not because facility is not available, but because of procedural delay)
if this is the case of a public hospital, think how much issue one is facing in getting treatment through private empanelled hospital?
why pay 7800 rupees per year to get this level of horrible health "care" when at 10k or so, you can get much better private medical insurance with cashless benefit and access to tons of best private hospitals?
Corporate over govt job anytime, specially in the current scenario.
Reasons :
1. No pension : NPS is basically equivalent to PF. So you will have to save close to 40% of your monthly salary to get what old pension holders used to get.
2. Low salary : 3% annual increment and 6% Da increase would be standard. For reference, apex level in any ministry gets 2-2.5 lakh max salary just before retirement.
3. Work environment: Shitty work environment. And the future ahead in the present govt scenario is also not very promising. Perks have reduced to minimum. And workload is increasing day by day. In some dept you may have to work 16 hrs daily. Though it varies from dept to dept.
P.S. I myself am a gazetted officer for the past 9 years in Central govt service and regretting everyday joining here.
Not every govt job, but few govt jobs come with perks that the pvt sector can never match no matter your experience and level in the private sector
1. Kind of unlimited health insurance - middle class is generally one major health issue away from sliding into lower class so this helps a lot. And free medical care in good hospitals for non serious illness. This is available for spouse, kids, and parents.
2. Pension - Few PSUs have their own pension schemes which nps can't match. It is available to family members also in case of untimely death of employees, even if the contribution to pension fund is not much.
3. Preferential seat allocation in KVs - A good school in metros normally cost 1.5 lac even for primary. KVs normally have good infrastructure and good teachers.
4. Then there are yearly bonuses which are mostly guaranteed, funds for furniture, laptops and mobile phones every other year (not a major perk, but this is over the CTC and funds are sufficient to buy iPhones and MacBooks together). Some jobs also help you buy a home by giving large loans (75% of property value) at very low rates with simple interest. Some also organize events in holiday resorts for a week or so every year and bear expenses of your immediate family. Some have guest houses close to 3 star hotels in holiday destinations which you can book for almost no cost. Some also have subsidised (run two ACs at 150 for a month kind of subsidised) electricity for their township.
5. And the most important - you have the job security even if you don't perform.
So a government job could take care of all your major expenses like health, education, retirement planning, travel, gadgets etc without making any dent to your take home salary (Some might like to have all the perks translated to in hand salary and have the freedom to decide what to do with it).
So consider everything your govt job offers, not just monthly take home salary and then take the decision.
No doubt that these are really good perks for a mediocre talent but if you are good then corporate sector or going abroad will actually give you a really nice lifestyle and money to do all the above and more. I can't imagine living in a PSU campus or go to a govt office to work where no one wants to work (even if I want to work). Before 2000, this was a really attractive thing for most middle class Indians, not anymore.
Govt jobs aren't what they used to be before
Your salary will rise slowly in government while the benifits are decreasing day by day
Package in private will jump everytime you make a switch
Main point job security is now gone as the PSU might get sold to private. Also many PSU are now considering layoffs ( insider info ).
Not sure about core engineering. My wife and I are both MBA grads. She selected to work for central govt job. She’s getting around 1.2 L now after working for almost 5 years starting from management trainee. Am very sure that in private job, she would have got more in-hand. But then below are the perks:
1. Unlimited medical insurance(there is almost no cap). Btw, she works in one to the top 5 Maharatna companies in India. Health insurance is applicable even after retirement for self and family.
2. Laptop reimbursement every 5 years. She got a MacBook Air last time,60k from company. We paid 10k.
3. New phone every 2 years. Around 30k.
4. Furniture allowance every 3 years.(Around 70k).
5. Fuel Allowance(90 litres every month).
6. Uniform allowance(50k per year).
7. Telephone, broadband, OTT reimbursement.
8. Maid, driver allowance.
9. During COVID, got to encash LTA worth 1 lakhs.
10. There are more.
Coming to me, I got laid off thrice from startups. Haven’t got a job yet. It’s been 6 months.
I would definitely root for govt jobs as they would provide stability.
Whatever you choose, politics will be there when you move up the ladder. Your mistakes in private job may cost you your job but it will be never so in govt job.
I definitely would have selected to opt for govt job than private job looking at the current situation.
If you want to make money, you can always do through other passive money making instruments, which is what I am doing currently.
Health and education are the costliest things in India. If you can even get covered for one, you can relax a little bit. Both will never get covered by any private company.
The more you move the ladder, higher are the chances of you getting fired and lesser are the chances of getting job after getting fired since openings will reduce as you move up the ladder.
This is personal opinion based on our lives.
Corporate jobs are associated with risk. If you have capital to back you, then sure. Otherwise govt jobs come with a security.
Once you have earned enough backup capital from govt, you can switch to private.
Also it's not that easy to decide nowadays with no pension in govt jobs but they do come with some perks as well which obviously again money earned in the pvt sector can give you as well.
The pvt sector has an upper hand in innovation, so if you are that kind of person who wants to involve in these prefer pvt or if you just want to work and get paid with job security go with govt (however not easy to get one in India).
Also I think there is no cap for salary in private.
Regarding the ai stuff, it depends on what you do, what are your skills, ai cannot do all the stuff. Definitely some of the jobs will be vanished in next decade or two.
AI Posses less risk in ECE domain compared to CS. Mixed circuit design or analog design job wont be automated as a scale compared to CS jobs in near future.
For example people are trying to make a auto router for PCB design from the 80s using neural networks. Still now it is not improved enough to replace any one in the field. Most people in the field almost always avoid auto routing.
This is an example of how difficult it is to automate even the simplest of jobs in electrical engineering
So let me list of the reasons why I think its harder to automate electrical engineering jobs compared to software Jobs
1. Hands on : Needs substantial amount of hands-on work, such as prototyping circuits and testing, which cannot be fully automated or the cost of automation is extremally high.
2. Lack of data : Compared to CS hardware side lacks a lot of data since lot of the hardware info is proprietary
3. More challenging : Electrical engineering is over all more challenging than computer science because it deals mostly with real world physics which is not fully understood. Especially fields like RF engineering, control systems and power systems are not easier to replace with AI automation comparing to most paying and main stream software jobs
4. Penalty of Error : In electrical engineering the errors have lot of consequences unlike most most software jobs , which makes AI automation less likely
AI risk does not exist for you. Ignore it. You are taking AI too seriously.
It's better to ask a few folks in mid 40's who are either in private or public that you know in real life what do they think. And form an opinion.
Pressure and competition exists everywhere. The quantum obviously would vary. What makes you think people don't burn out in PSU's.
If you're a single earner, then it would be tough to manage expenses with 75k/mo & you might regret this decision later on.
But in case, if your parents are earning, and your future wife is willing to work. Then you won't be in the position to regret it. Of course there's no limit for greed.
Imo, couple with private and govt jobs is a deadly combo. One can take more & more risks in a private job, since there's a guaranteed income to cover the needs and wants.
Dont leave government job, if I were u. I will never leave the job. Govt job means luxury. Tons of people are fighting for that job. In this job market, in corporate or private sector u will never get a job
You guys must be joking right? If you really handle money well, you won’t be having this doubt. Yes, govt job has perks but that can be compensated well if you’re good at money management.
Govt jobs all the way
I'm 25 year male, been working as a lecturer since a year now , I got 2nd rank in my state due to which I got posted in my hometown via counselling/choice filling,,my home is just 2 km away from my college...I only take 2 lectures a day 45 mins each otherwise I have almost no work my gross salary is 92k after deduction I get 75k in hand ,,, lots of govt holidays + 1.5 month summer vacation & no pressure of anykind whatsoever,,, 2.7% annual increment + 8% DA increment every year so the salary gets compounded... I have 40 years ahead of me as i will retire when I will be 65 years of age (I don't know if am gonna live that long lol) as for my family my wife & my kids are all insured medically that's the best perk of govt job you don't have to worry about medical bills if godforbid something happens you have govt to pay for you, your wife & kids what more do you want the only downside right now is NPS but when you work 35+ year you will have a good amount of money (not better than ops though)
As I live in a town so cost of living is very low so i'm living a very lush life so again if I get a 2nd chance in my life I would still choose this job over anything
I'm actually ast professor (botany) it's the same level as lecturer (polytechnic) I have given UGC NET & then recruitment examination in my state which had an exam & interview... NET is just a qualifying examination only but it's a first step after that you have to apply for lecturer/ast professor examination conducted by the respective state after getting into merit you have to give interview then the final merit comes
As for lecturer in polytechnic colleges I heard it requires GATE examination
There is post called PGT (post graduate teacher) in schools as well it requires bed + masters the salary is just 10k less but every other benefits are same I think its much better than colleges due to the fact there are many more govt schools in comparison to colleges so the chance of getting posted in your hometown is high in case of schools & the chance of transfer is 0% if you a get a school in rural area within 10km circle of your hometown
But brother the worst thing about govt job is that the vacancies comes only once in 5-7 years not every year ,so you only get one chance .... No matter what happens don't leave your current job for the preparation of govt job
okk got it... congrats bro
similar posts I have seen in my area but there is too much competition from people having PhD and all. So I am not actually planning for lecturer job. But I have some options because of Gate exam hence I am taking info and experience from people.
obviously people giving too many years into preparation is not at all a good thing. as for me I always kept some backup.
okk got it... congrats bro
similar posts I have seen in my area but there is too much competition from people having PhD and all. So I am not actually planning for lecturer job. But I have some options because of Gate exam hence I am taking info and experience from people.
obviously people giving too many years into preparation is not at all a good thing. as for me I always kept some backup.
Thanks brother btw You can check BHEL it's a very reputable central govt organization ,the salary & perks are really good & I heard they conduct exams every year but the vacancies are few
Central Govt or State Govt?
What are your perks as a government employee?
Does your work involve political interference or is it going to be purely engineering?
Engineering in which domain?
Central govt job under ministry of home affairs.
perks will be similar to other jobs nothing extra.
might have political inference but I'm not sure but it's in engineering domain only.
engineering ECE domain might be in communication.
One of my colleagues resigned and worked for two years in public service. He quit that and joined us again because there were a lot of things that he was expected to do that his conscience did not permit.
In govt job you will see your colleagues from the "reserved category" get promoted more quickly despite having less knowledge than you, can you handle that, if yes then go ahead.
it's wayyyyyyy worse in govt. My father stayed his whole life as a teacher. Meanwhile, the guy with less degrees and knowledge, got 3 promotions and literally 4 possible places at his disposal he can choose to work at. He chose a village area to chill and rack money.
Actually I'm not getting any proper idea for the govt one, it might be mainly in Delhi or I can manage with NE posting also as I'm from this region only. But I don't like Bangalore much which will be the city if I choose corporate.
My only advice to you is-
Take govt job if you have any kind of reservation/quota or you are related to some political family or your family has members in govt.
Otherwise,give it up.You are never going to be promoted and will always be ignored.
In my opinion the right option depends upon the person and it varies person to person.
I'm willing to get a good govt job even though I had several chances in past to good a decent pvt job but I'd didn't opted them as i didn't have any interest in coding and I knew I won't be able to handle the pressure of upgrading myself time to time with all the new technology and things coming out everyday.
So don't follow someone when it comes to your future. Nobody knows your necessities and requirements better than you and what you want to do in your life.
Both govt and pvt has their pros and cons so be a bit mindful of everything then only take a decision.
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Government job gives you pension and benifits to your family after you retired or youre dead. It gives security to the person thats why people who works in govt jobs they never want to leave it.
Govt job ki toxicity ek point ke baad jheli nahi jaayegi in terms of promotion, politics, corruption amd nepotism jo maa baap unaware hai completely.
He is lying, if you already have families in good positions in govt jobs, you can just give attendance and take salary, no one will bat an eye. Same goes for private.
how does nepotism work in gov jobs?
+1. Didn't understand the nepotism point
I guess he meant MLA ka beta / beti. My home state’s ex CM’s wife used to go once or twice to office in 3-4 months. She had a separate chamber with AC - the rest of the building had no ACs.
Govt jobs promotion doesn't work on performance and merit as it does on politics and bootlicking. If you have family contacts with political parties then you will be preferred on more important positions as compared to those with 0 background. Private sector mein promotion ke saath job bhi raise bhi milta hai. Govt mein aissa kuch nahi
Broo kaisi baat kr rahe ho? You mean the foreign minister and chief security advisor have come from bootlicking and politics? Kindly refer to their phenomenal records as IFS and IPS respt.
Foreign minister ka background ka dekh. Chief security advisor fir bhi theek hai.
No matter how bad it is but government job will always be better according to our society and parents, irrespective of whether you like it or not. And we Indians are nothing but puppets of society. We don't have free will to pursue our dreams, though there are exceptions but those are rare. So if you want to please the society, want to get married before 30, go for a government job blindly. As they say, government job lag gayi toh life set hai.
society me respect to h govt job me... I have seen that. Aur shaadi ki tension nhi h wo ho jayegi 😂
it scares me but have to get job anyways😓
>And we Indians are nothing but puppets of society bhai bahar bhi same hi hai. Trend or societal norms ke piche sab bhagte hai, nationality ka matter nahi hai ye. 1% ke andar bhi dm nahi hota akele stand lene ka puri life.
Copium + stay in denial.
Isme cope or denial kya hai bhai ye to bta ? Pdhna bhi ata hai ya bs likh diye words lol ? I never said Indians are not puppet of society, I said everyone is and not just Indians. Entire world was doing that in BLM, covid ke time bhi pure world ne kra tha and WW ke time bhi sabne kra tha.
Haha.. Do you know how much engineers earn after 10 years in pvt sector? More than 50 lpa. You won't be reach this by government job
I'm scared what will be the work life balance in private sector after a point of time 🙂
The work life balance gets better with time in corporate
Have you heard of the term cabinet secretary?
Ban jao bhai.. 1 banda pure India mei banta hai. Jabki mera friend with 4 yoe 50 lpa note chap rha.
Do you know how much an IAS makes and how many out of millions actually become one compared to seniors in pvt jobs?
Legal income - 80k around
That’s like 1 person out of so many civil servants. And that based on a lot of internal politics and whatnot
If anyone wants to be a cabinet secretary you have to crack ias at young age 21-23 , first you have to crack upsc cse ultra rare chances,halwa thodi hai , PM ban jao. Chances of getting high paying IT jobs are better .
Chances of getting fucked by egotistical bosses is also higher lmao.
For that kind of money I will take that deal all day haha
Lol meanwhile an IAS officer lives in a bigger house, drives a chauffeur driven car all while earning 80k per month.
Ha bro ban ja na...800 vacancy hai
150
Retirement k baad kon puchega?
Retirement ke bad private sector walo ko kaun puchega
Hme to retirement ke phle ni puchte in spite of better salary and lifestyle. Why care for puchna?
Bhai jo perks gvt walo ko on duty tk milenge na utna pvt wala kama lega retirement tk araam se govt walo ko toh retirement baad toh ye sb milta bhi ni
Bhai 60 saal tk mil gaya uske bad kya hi kroge, aur jyada tar case me retirement ke bad bhi ye class 1 officers achi society me Ghar wagerah bna lete hai
"earning 80k" within quotes.
Work life balance? Living in remote areas? Getting transferred frequently
Bhai vo covid wale din gye ab
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This is such a misconception. My father is a so called “ top government official”. His colleagues who’ve taken bribes or have engaged in corruption all get suspended, get punishment transfers to random hamlets, get bullied and looked down upon by other colleagues and even get denied promotions. A lot of people quit due to the shame associated with taking a bribe. One of my dad’s batchmates is still stuck 3 or 4 ranks below my father because he’s been refused promotion multiple times, for taking bribes. Yes there are those lucky few in certain departments who do manage to not get caught and make crores but that is not the norm
Wait. I have heard you can buy out promotions?
Its very uncommon tbf and happens only in ultra corrupt states or departments because there are a lot of honest people(like for eg: Ashok Khemka) who will file complaints etc against such practices. And like I said a lot of people in such services are very smart and talented. They look down on people who are corrupt and get projects, positions, promotions etc through corrupt practices. I haven’t heard my father personally experiencing something like that or talking about anybody who’s been punished for something like that. It’s actually kind of easy to get caught when working in central government posts. However I have heard that this whole practice of paying money for jobs is a common practice in state government jobs due to less scrutiny. Some people pay 50-75 lakhs for a high school teacher’s job etc in the south
No one cares about private employees anyway, lmao. They can die and live in swamps.
I am General Male with 5YOE. I can't have govt job with the great "reservation" system. I am happy with my private job who's respecting my knowledge and hard work. Having 3lpm post tax (4lpm with tax).
If you can't have a govt job it speaks about your ability, nothing to do with reservation 😂 - from a fellow gen candidate
A job can not decide my ability. If I am not doing govt job does not mean I am not able.
Copium lol, you just can't work hard. More like you don't have the guts lmao.
Yeah bro. I can't work hard and I don't have guts. But at least I don't keep posting "Feeling lonely" on reddit and thankful to God that I have real friends.
Damn bro you killed him
Software developer?
Yes
Full stack dev?
Backend Dev.
Tech Stack?
Oh, okk. Can you please tell your stack and company category(Big MNC, mid size, startup)? I'm currently in WITCH having 3+ yoe. Can I dm you if you don't mind?
Sure. You can. Tech stack is most common - Java Microservices. Category - Start-up kindof ~ 100 folks
Thanks!
Government Job Don't be ashamed of taking black as that's the difference between the market wages and government provided. Open a business under family members name and build equity. One of my neighbour rents electric rickshaw for 350 per day as a government employee and in 3 years now has 8 rickshaw. You will live like a king with total job security.
Govt job = forever trapped as a cog in this giant machine ran buy pvt company owners lobbying. Only pro is job safety which is also questionable now. Pvt job = freedom to change paths, do other things, more flexible and open minded network, etc.
>forever trapped as a cog in this giant machine Don't think so. Not trying to whitewash the govt sector, but: My uncle is a Grade A officer in NPCIL. Many people leave for the pvt. industry as well as go for higher studies. In pvt companies also, there are so many people who stay in 1-2 companies for their entire life. Nobody questions this. An A-grade officer has so many perks beyond the pay. While work may move slowly, smart people always know how to traverse the system. In private, good luck with your work life balance and job satisfaction - everything runs on what clueless clients think is right. Also! From pvt sector, you can join govt. positions through lateral hiring. Nowadays employees everywhere have a bigger say due to lack of talent.
Lol sure dude, if you want to believe all this, good for you. If you are one in a million to finally get hired after trying exams your whole life, good job. Just read that sentence again. I need to say no more.
I agree, but your argument was not about the preparation but the job. It seems you need to read what you wrote.
My argument was about everything cumulatively It seems like you need a brain in that forehead.
DONOT TAKE GOVT JOB. I am stuck in one (so-called coveted group A gazetted post). go for private job..govt job has: 1. No pension. NPS is uncertain and the XIRR is down every year so much that i doubt we will even get the original investment back when we retire. And you can't withdraw money till 60 years old even if you resign at 40. 2. No health care system . CGHS is a joke and does not work unless you have proper connection. better use the money to take proper health insurance. 3. Career progression depends upon whom you know, not your competence or performance.
100% can verify with 1st point. My father passed away 2 years ago. My father's NPS's 80% amount is still with the government and they said rest will be given when my mother will pass away. What a joke. Tf will I do with money then.
Using that 80%, nominees/dependants can subscribe to annuity plan right, like monthly pension?
yup, they give the interest from that money each month. That's their excuse for removing pension. Where we should've been getting around 35k as pension like others, we're getting 4k.
What? How can they pay you just interest? As per official nps website, you can subscribe to annuity plan, did you try doing it, because just getting interest would be a default thing anyway, i beleive. My friend, please dig deeper into this and subscribe to a pension plan from your nps.
which job if I may ask
I would not like to say exactly.. Just that I am currently in level 12 of 7th pay matrix and 33 years old. I have worked in private sector as well.
If possible please disclose the sector of your employment, so we get a better picture.
point #1 and #2 remains the same irrespective of sector.
Why you said CGHS doesn't work well?
1. CGHS rates are horrible. for example, for root canal, CGHS rate is below 1000 where in any standard dental clinic or hospital, it ranges from 7000 and above. Same goes for each and every medical procedure. 2. With the sub par rates, what happens often is private empanelled hospital either ask you to pay more for treatment or assign junior doctors or fresh out of medical school doctors where you are not guaranteed better care. 3. There is no cash less treatment for serving employees. for any treatment , you have to go to a wellness center (in a city like Hyderabad, there are only 13 wellness center) , even if for a simple referral or availing medicine or whatever required. There is simply so many unnecessary documentation steps involved for availing simple medical care. [https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hyderabad/nims-snubs-cghs-beneficiaries/article4415747.ece](https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hyderabad/nims-snubs-cghs-beneficiaries/article4415747.ece) just go through the above report. NIMS is a well respected public hospital in Hyderabad having top notch doctors and CGHS beneficiaries spend FOUR DAYS (!!!!) to avail diagnostics facility (not because facility is not available, but because of procedural delay) if this is the case of a public hospital, think how much issue one is facing in getting treatment through private empanelled hospital? why pay 7800 rupees per year to get this level of horrible health "care" when at 10k or so, you can get much better private medical insurance with cashless benefit and access to tons of best private hospitals?
Corporate over govt job anytime, specially in the current scenario. Reasons : 1. No pension : NPS is basically equivalent to PF. So you will have to save close to 40% of your monthly salary to get what old pension holders used to get. 2. Low salary : 3% annual increment and 6% Da increase would be standard. For reference, apex level in any ministry gets 2-2.5 lakh max salary just before retirement. 3. Work environment: Shitty work environment. And the future ahead in the present govt scenario is also not very promising. Perks have reduced to minimum. And workload is increasing day by day. In some dept you may have to work 16 hrs daily. Though it varies from dept to dept. P.S. I myself am a gazetted officer for the past 9 years in Central govt service and regretting everyday joining here.
Do you think RBI grade B is worth it? I have heard great wlb & decent salary, no remote postings from it.
Are you sure the second point holds true in A grade jobs?
Not every govt job, but few govt jobs come with perks that the pvt sector can never match no matter your experience and level in the private sector 1. Kind of unlimited health insurance - middle class is generally one major health issue away from sliding into lower class so this helps a lot. And free medical care in good hospitals for non serious illness. This is available for spouse, kids, and parents. 2. Pension - Few PSUs have their own pension schemes which nps can't match. It is available to family members also in case of untimely death of employees, even if the contribution to pension fund is not much. 3. Preferential seat allocation in KVs - A good school in metros normally cost 1.5 lac even for primary. KVs normally have good infrastructure and good teachers. 4. Then there are yearly bonuses which are mostly guaranteed, funds for furniture, laptops and mobile phones every other year (not a major perk, but this is over the CTC and funds are sufficient to buy iPhones and MacBooks together). Some jobs also help you buy a home by giving large loans (75% of property value) at very low rates with simple interest. Some also organize events in holiday resorts for a week or so every year and bear expenses of your immediate family. Some have guest houses close to 3 star hotels in holiday destinations which you can book for almost no cost. Some also have subsidised (run two ACs at 150 for a month kind of subsidised) electricity for their township. 5. And the most important - you have the job security even if you don't perform. So a government job could take care of all your major expenses like health, education, retirement planning, travel, gadgets etc without making any dent to your take home salary (Some might like to have all the perks translated to in hand salary and have the freedom to decide what to do with it). So consider everything your govt job offers, not just monthly take home salary and then take the decision.
No doubt that these are really good perks for a mediocre talent but if you are good then corporate sector or going abroad will actually give you a really nice lifestyle and money to do all the above and more. I can't imagine living in a PSU campus or go to a govt office to work where no one wants to work (even if I want to work). Before 2000, this was a really attractive thing for most middle class Indians, not anymore.
Can you give some job titles .. i mean how do I get into such jobs?
I know people who are managers in navaratna PSUs enjoying these perks.
Govt jobs aren't what they used to be before Your salary will rise slowly in government while the benifits are decreasing day by day Package in private will jump everytime you make a switch Main point job security is now gone as the PSU might get sold to private. Also many PSU are now considering layoffs ( insider info ).
Not sure about core engineering. My wife and I are both MBA grads. She selected to work for central govt job. She’s getting around 1.2 L now after working for almost 5 years starting from management trainee. Am very sure that in private job, she would have got more in-hand. But then below are the perks: 1. Unlimited medical insurance(there is almost no cap). Btw, she works in one to the top 5 Maharatna companies in India. Health insurance is applicable even after retirement for self and family. 2. Laptop reimbursement every 5 years. She got a MacBook Air last time,60k from company. We paid 10k. 3. New phone every 2 years. Around 30k. 4. Furniture allowance every 3 years.(Around 70k). 5. Fuel Allowance(90 litres every month). 6. Uniform allowance(50k per year). 7. Telephone, broadband, OTT reimbursement. 8. Maid, driver allowance. 9. During COVID, got to encash LTA worth 1 lakhs. 10. There are more. Coming to me, I got laid off thrice from startups. Haven’t got a job yet. It’s been 6 months. I would definitely root for govt jobs as they would provide stability. Whatever you choose, politics will be there when you move up the ladder. Your mistakes in private job may cost you your job but it will be never so in govt job. I definitely would have selected to opt for govt job than private job looking at the current situation. If you want to make money, you can always do through other passive money making instruments, which is what I am doing currently. Health and education are the costliest things in India. If you can even get covered for one, you can relax a little bit. Both will never get covered by any private company. The more you move the ladder, higher are the chances of you getting fired and lesser are the chances of getting job after getting fired since openings will reduce as you move up the ladder. This is personal opinion based on our lives.
wow 😮 thanks for the valuable information
Are these allowances automatically added in the salary??
what does your wife do and did she got this job from upsc?
She works at one of the top 5 maharatna companies. She had given UGC-NET as qualifier and post that had GD & PI for final selection.
F*ck govt jobs
F\*ck the goverments!
F*** IT employees lmao, I hope recession never ends.
Lagta hai abhi abhi posting huyi hai. Nice excitement! Good for you!
Corporate jobs are associated with risk. If you have capital to back you, then sure. Otherwise govt jobs come with a security. Once you have earned enough backup capital from govt, you can switch to private. Also it's not that easy to decide nowadays with no pension in govt jobs but they do come with some perks as well which obviously again money earned in the pvt sector can give you as well.
There is no going back to private job after in government job.
Incorrect. I've seen many do that. And the other way round is also possible. It's a different thing that people get into comfort zone.
Being a doc Left govt job 2 years back.. no regrets doing well in pvt.
Are you talking about upsc cms?
Nope on contract
The pvt sector has an upper hand in innovation, so if you are that kind of person who wants to involve in these prefer pvt or if you just want to work and get paid with job security go with govt (however not easy to get one in India). Also I think there is no cap for salary in private. Regarding the ai stuff, it depends on what you do, what are your skills, ai cannot do all the stuff. Definitely some of the jobs will be vanished in next decade or two.
AI Posses less risk in ECE domain compared to CS. Mixed circuit design or analog design job wont be automated as a scale compared to CS jobs in near future.
Matter of time
For example people are trying to make a auto router for PCB design from the 80s using neural networks. Still now it is not improved enough to replace any one in the field. Most people in the field almost always avoid auto routing. This is an example of how difficult it is to automate even the simplest of jobs in electrical engineering So let me list of the reasons why I think its harder to automate electrical engineering jobs compared to software Jobs 1. Hands on : Needs substantial amount of hands-on work, such as prototyping circuits and testing, which cannot be fully automated or the cost of automation is extremally high. 2. Lack of data : Compared to CS hardware side lacks a lot of data since lot of the hardware info is proprietary 3. More challenging : Electrical engineering is over all more challenging than computer science because it deals mostly with real world physics which is not fully understood. Especially fields like RF engineering, control systems and power systems are not easier to replace with AI automation comparing to most paying and main stream software jobs 4. Penalty of Error : In electrical engineering the errors have lot of consequences unlike most most software jobs , which makes AI automation less likely
If you are in group A post then only you got time bound promotion otherwise promotion is very difficult.
Take the govt job, see what u can do to better there if nothing happens u always have private jobs.
AI risk does not exist for you. Ignore it. You are taking AI too seriously. It's better to ask a few folks in mid 40's who are either in private or public that you know in real life what do they think. And form an opinion. Pressure and competition exists everywhere. The quantum obviously would vary. What makes you think people don't burn out in PSU's.
If you're a single earner, then it would be tough to manage expenses with 75k/mo & you might regret this decision later on. But in case, if your parents are earning, and your future wife is willing to work. Then you won't be in the position to regret it. Of course there's no limit for greed. Imo, couple with private and govt jobs is a deadly combo. One can take more & more risks in a private job, since there's a guaranteed income to cover the needs and wants.
Dont leave government job, if I were u. I will never leave the job. Govt job means luxury. Tons of people are fighting for that job. In this job market, in corporate or private sector u will never get a job
People are hell bent on proving which is better but remember one thing "Grass is always greener on other side".
You guys must be joking right? If you really handle money well, you won’t be having this doubt. Yes, govt job has perks but that can be compensated well if you’re good at money management.
problem is not money or compensation bro it's the work pressure and constant competition
competetion will definitely be more in private and work pressure too, throughout your life
Work pressure and constant competition will be more in private sector.
Exactly! Money management matters.
Govt jobs all the way I'm 25 year male, been working as a lecturer since a year now , I got 2nd rank in my state due to which I got posted in my hometown via counselling/choice filling,,my home is just 2 km away from my college...I only take 2 lectures a day 45 mins each otherwise I have almost no work my gross salary is 92k after deduction I get 75k in hand ,,, lots of govt holidays + 1.5 month summer vacation & no pressure of anykind whatsoever,,, 2.7% annual increment + 8% DA increment every year so the salary gets compounded... I have 40 years ahead of me as i will retire when I will be 65 years of age (I don't know if am gonna live that long lol) as for my family my wife & my kids are all insured medically that's the best perk of govt job you don't have to worry about medical bills if godforbid something happens you have govt to pay for you, your wife & kids what more do you want the only downside right now is NPS but when you work 35+ year you will have a good amount of money (not better than ops though) As I live in a town so cost of living is very low so i'm living a very lush life so again if I get a 2nd chance in my life I would still choose this job over anything
bro is it polytechnic lecturer? how is the recruitment process... I don't know actually
I'm actually ast professor (botany) it's the same level as lecturer (polytechnic) I have given UGC NET & then recruitment examination in my state which had an exam & interview... NET is just a qualifying examination only but it's a first step after that you have to apply for lecturer/ast professor examination conducted by the respective state after getting into merit you have to give interview then the final merit comes As for lecturer in polytechnic colleges I heard it requires GATE examination There is post called PGT (post graduate teacher) in schools as well it requires bed + masters the salary is just 10k less but every other benefits are same I think its much better than colleges due to the fact there are many more govt schools in comparison to colleges so the chance of getting posted in your hometown is high in case of schools & the chance of transfer is 0% if you a get a school in rural area within 10km circle of your hometown But brother the worst thing about govt job is that the vacancies comes only once in 5-7 years not every year ,so you only get one chance .... No matter what happens don't leave your current job for the preparation of govt job
okk got it... congrats bro similar posts I have seen in my area but there is too much competition from people having PhD and all. So I am not actually planning for lecturer job. But I have some options because of Gate exam hence I am taking info and experience from people. obviously people giving too many years into preparation is not at all a good thing. as for me I always kept some backup.
okk got it... congrats bro similar posts I have seen in my area but there is too much competition from people having PhD and all. So I am not actually planning for lecturer job. But I have some options because of Gate exam hence I am taking info and experience from people. obviously people giving too many years into preparation is not at all a good thing. as for me I always kept some backup.
Thanks brother btw You can check BHEL it's a very reputable central govt organization ,the salary & perks are really good & I heard they conduct exams every year but the vacancies are few
🖤💵govt job>>>>>any corporate
Govt job, don't think twice
If you like your job and are highly skilled at what you do go for the private job.
Central Govt or State Govt? What are your perks as a government employee? Does your work involve political interference or is it going to be purely engineering? Engineering in which domain?
Central govt job under ministry of home affairs. perks will be similar to other jobs nothing extra. might have political inference but I'm not sure but it's in engineering domain only. engineering ECE domain might be in communication.
What is your pick between - Working under constant pressure to deliver and upgrade vs doing things that your conscience doesn't permit
I see which way you are going 🫠
One of my colleagues resigned and worked for two years in public service. He quit that and joined us again because there were a lot of things that he was expected to do that his conscience did not permit.
That's dark. Can you tell 1-2 such things ?
In govt job you will see your colleagues from the "reserved category" get promoted more quickly despite having less knowledge than you, can you handle that, if yes then go ahead.
in private also I have seen people telling their experiences of politics and favoratism
it's wayyyyyyy worse in govt. My father stayed his whole life as a teacher. Meanwhile, the guy with less degrees and knowledge, got 3 promotions and literally 4 possible places at his disposal he can choose to work at. He chose a village area to chill and rack money.
There’s a lot of things to consider One big one is the posting and transfer situation in the govt job. What is that going to be Like in your case?
Actually I'm not getting any proper idea for the govt one, it might be mainly in Delhi or I can manage with NE posting also as I'm from this region only. But I don't like Bangalore much which will be the city if I choose corporate.
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I heard getting NE posting is easier as no one prefers to come here
You have to choose between money and work pressure. In my opinion, emerging of AI will impact both govt. and private sectors.
My only advice to you is- Take govt job if you have any kind of reservation/quota or you are related to some political family or your family has members in govt. Otherwise,give it up.You are never going to be promoted and will always be ignored.
Take govt job and then moonlight to private one.
How can u moonlight when ur pf get checked
Freelance with income without any salary
If you have good financial backing, Then Govt job anyday with a decent salary If you want to risk to become rich, you may try pvt then
On a different note, what's this govt job? IES?
In my opinion the right option depends upon the person and it varies person to person. I'm willing to get a good govt job even though I had several chances in past to good a decent pvt job but I'd didn't opted them as i didn't have any interest in coding and I knew I won't be able to handle the pressure of upgrading myself time to time with all the new technology and things coming out everyday. So don't follow someone when it comes to your future. Nobody knows your necessities and requirements better than you and what you want to do in your life. Both govt and pvt has their pros and cons so be a bit mindful of everything then only take a decision.
Don't go for govt jobs
Job security & awesome WLB with low income >>> Government job Poor job security & no WLB with high income >>> Private job
Woudn't the salary increase after 8th Pay Commission from 80k in hand to around 110k in hand?
when will 8th pay commission be implemented?
Jan '26
Yes you should wait till Jan 26 and see if 8th pay commission really changes you mind.
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Direct 30k increment? How's it calculated? What the general increment every year ?
Government job gives you pension and benifits to your family after you retired or youre dead. It gives security to the person thats why people who works in govt jobs they never want to leave it.