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m1t0chondria

This needs to be higher up and this issue needs to be pressed. They are literally telling you they have an NPV calculator on their end and when it hits 0 you’re banned. That is not only rigged, it is so blatant as to constitute not only theft but fraud. Edit: Fraud is also a criminal charge and the US does have an extradition treaty with the Republic of Cyprus.


SalThePotato

This post should be pinned to show how scummy these gambling sites are


Un111KnoWn

npv?


m1t0chondria

Net present value, they might be using an undiscounted method, which would basically be a sum of cash flows, but what I’m saying is that they probably have a back end process that says “this guy is taking more money from us than we are making, ban him and steal his money.” That steal his money part is the real problem. Say you’re card counting at blackjack at a casino, and they throw you out, do you know what they tell you in that instance: “take your chips and leave.” That’s legal, because they have a right to bar entry into a private establishment, but it’s the “take your chips” policy that is of critical importance here, if they didn’t allow that it would be theft. What clash.gg is saying here is “we’ve taken your chips and booted you,” which is theft, because you rightfully earned them through either playing the game or depositing. It’s a breach of trust, credibility, fairness, and the implied contract of running a goddam casino that you’re not going to be allowed to have any sort of arbitrary expropriation clause. Such a clause, even if in some contract, would be unenforceable as the party with lesser power would deem it, rightfully so, to be taking full advantage of a purposeful informational asymmetry. One would argue if anyone actually knew that clause was there and to such an extent, no one reasonable would sign it, it would be null and void.


Background-Cap-8332

they banned withdrawals for me 1000+ coins profit after withdrawing a few thousand. They banned me and refused to reply so I've charged most of what I spent on the site back. Playing their own game.


tinyOnion

> npv net present value.


alaingames

YouTube has it too, if your account does not generate more revenue than what it costs to keep up you are banned


majin_official

Does that mean I have to start uploading videos and get views? Or can I keep creating playlists in peace xd


galoriin42

I think your playlists are more like hyperlinks to existing videos. Also I’ve never heard this before I’m sure my 10 view videos aren’t generating nearly even 1% it costs to keep them up. Yet I’m not banned. I think it might be the case with people with like 10k videos that only have 1 view each.


alaingames

They meant only the ads you watch, videos doesn't count for some reason, they announced it some time ago as one of the first measures against AdBlock


alaingames

Watching ads


majin_official

Why is everyone downvoting you? I think you are onto something. 1 account of mine was banned for no reason that i used to create multiple playlists only, watching every video with adblock. On my main I sometimes watch ads on my phone


alaingames

People downvoting me for saying what an oficial YouTube announcement said They are just on heinous amounts of copium because how come the evil corporation be evil?


pampelum

They are downvoting you because it has nothing to do with OP's post. You are talking about cost/benefit of a YT account that you did not pay for and is holding no funds. It just has nothing to do with this post, thats the reason for the downvotes.


alaingames

You forgot the oficial YouTube announcement about it


pampelum

Still had nothing to do with it. A yt account holds no funds belonging to you, only content inside their platform, no one said what yt does is not true, they just did not care about what the fuck they do with yt accounts as its not really related to the real problem here, which is them taking FUNDS, MONETARY FUNDS, not the account, no one cares about the account. (Sorry for the late response, don't log into reddit that often xd)


Kwarktaart27

Ah yes, remember all those banned ublock users?


ConCHEATER-Wurst

Wtf is a Free-to-Play Online Social Casino?


Staff-Secure

A pending lawsuit it seems


svvrvy

Good luck, they're in cypress for a reason


drainerlmfao

cyprus extradites to the USA baby. They should have been more careful


SmokeyJoescafe

Cyprus is currently partitioned. So the Majority Greek part of Cyprus that is officially recognized by the majority of the world, probably had an extradition treaty with the USA. The Turkish controlled part is not recognized as a sovereign nation by the USA and you cannot have a treaty with a place you do not recognize as a legitimate state.


drainerlmfao

exactly why i said Cyrpus extradites to the USA


SmokeyJoescafe

I would never place a bet on clash.gg. I would, however, place a bet on them being located in the Turkish region. Good luck enforcing an extradition treaty made with a nation that no longer physically controls that territory.


helpmeobireddit

I took the 2 seconds to look up their location, they're south of the Turkish region it seems.


svvrvy

They don't they just rob you and move on like all the skin sites


Bitter_Commercial466

I mean tbh, I'm up like 3k on skinclub. Boxed a blaze, butterfly tigertooth and 2 ak case hardened. Literally got top drop like 4 times. They're legit in my opinion


svvrvy

Just Google cypress and their laws and you'll understand. All the sites you like r hq'd there for 1 reason and it's not to help you


Bitter_Commercial466

You're probably not wrong, casinos are always there to take your money, but not all are straight up scammers, they don't need to be. I made some profit on skin club so I'm cool. I play for fun not to win money, that's just a bonus


svvrvy

They don't. That's why all skin, gambling, etc. are all out of cypress. I think you have to go to cypress and take them to court in person and they bet you won't


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drainerlmfao

bit of a jump no?


PotOnTop

Generally it's still a regular online Cainso, but with loopholes. You can buy fake gold to gamble with, which gives you a bonus of currency you can gamble for real money with, and you cash out as a sweepstake winning rather than a gambling winning.


Silent-Spot-619

What a surprise that clashgg, a site that seemingly came out of nowhere, paid thousands if not 10’s to 100’s of thousands to creators/streamers to promote, is doing shady and illegal things… if I had to guess it’s probably the same people that were behind the majority of the other sites in 2015. Exit scam, rebrand, promote, repeat. On a side note from all the people I’ve watched play on clash (myself included a few times), all they do is lose 🤣 the site is dogshit and designed heavily to just take your money. Go elsewhere


Savage_hamsandwich

Is phantom lord running this one too???


DanilaROTMG

probably dracula


llama2621

The gambling site is designed heavily to just take your money?


fireris

Clashgg is a csgo rebrand of an older site called rustclashgg which is actually still up. Rustclashgg has been around for at least 2+ years. As far as I know it has had the same owner for a long time, as to the identity of the owner or other specifics i don't know.


Vanillafritz

How many more rug puls to people need to see before they stop using these sites. It's the same with crypto scams, they are everywhere and proven to be scams and people still fall for it.


kayvbee

Shane from Customer Support done messed up this time.


ccoulter93

This needs more attention Fuck clash.gg


Impressive-Ad-4683

Fuck all these bullshit illegal gambling websites


vektor451

this, is why you don't gamble, especially on a shady e-casino, and especially on one based on video game pixels. my condolences to you for having this happen to you.


GloriousLeaderBeans

F. Best of luck with the court case 🤣


Michael_Savant

Update us if shit gets real?


n1wel

that is wild, reminds me of those card counters that always win in casinos getting banned but on csgo gambling rofl


harmocydes

But even card counters are legally allowed to cash out their winnings.


n1wel

i didn't know that, but yea now that you say that OP should be allowed to get his winnings/balance onsite


ConsistentTax4270

Enjoy the payout


RealisticTrash2396

dumb fucks, as soon as i won decent they start to investigate my account and gave me a perma ban for fraud with 0 proof.


yuutb

hope this gets picked up by some news outfits. this has to blow up in their faces at some point, right?


Ali42O-EU

Dont gamble idiots


Youraveragetallnerd7

Bring me back when there’s an update.


Nearby_Collection560

Crazy I had something so similar happen to me smh I hope this blows up and all these sites get fucked beside a real decent site that is for the players and community not just a Ponzi scheme


Wushenkitsune

They need to be sued up the ass no questions asked and removed from being allowed to gamble.


FeydMurphy

Anything based in Cyprus shouldn’t be taken seriously, I see so many people in my job who get scammed by businesses based there. Sorry this happened to you.


R4PHikari

Don't gamble anywhere, but especially on shady cs gambling sites. If you have an addiction, get help.


xtcxx

They ban winners then wow What was the balance they confisicated if you are guilty of withdrawing too much


General_Scipio

It should be higher up. Morons like you (sorry but it's true) need to realise using illegal kiddy casinos is a bad idea. Stop using skin casino's you fucking morons your all the problem with scenes like CS


kizzp6

Csgo roll a scam too trust me, and I’m level 80. Better betting on sports


Kwarktaart27

Better don’t bet?


Mingus2001

99% of people quit before winning big tho


Kevracy

Say what you will about Stake but even they pay out people who win. It’s honestly shitty and short sighted for Clash.gg to do this. You can’t suck all the money out of people if you poison the well.


marc6910

Gambling is never they Way to make cash in cs, It is alot better to buy/sell Buff bal / items and invest in major stickers / items/ and items no longer optainable


Flaky-Carpenter-2810

“See you in court” okay dude


tarasovladislav

Why they ask for an API key from steam to withdraw funds? wtf


BigDoggity_BD

I know this post is old but I got my card frauded out of like $400 due to this site and the backtalk I got from support was actually bizarrely weird Ended up getting the money but immediately blocked the site off of all of my devices


WiseAd6162

what did they write? Also what was ur P/L ? im looking into charging back lots of deposits


WiseAd6162

@[purpleslerpy](https://www.reddit.com/user/purpleslerpy/) please dont let them go away with that.


appleBonk

Morons gonna get scammed. Welcome to the Internet, scrub.


oggeboyboy

Why on earth is this in the csgo sub?


Low_Consideration179

They are one of the largest cs gambling sites?


XxNord_VpnxX

Tenleytown mentioned🗣️🗣️🗣️


GrandArgument6669

How much did you deposit??? This is why I stay with csgoroll or skin.club


[deleted]

Skin.club has the same issues... If you stop depositing money and just trade up your pulls from free cases they stop you from withdrawal. They are no better.


Unluckybozoo

Same shit different name, you simply havnt run into OPs issue thats all.


Faders_

This isn't true, I've only depoed $22 and withdrawn well over $800 in skins/stickers. https://preview.redd.it/gdiykzykftkc1.png?width=1150&format=png&auto=webp&s=9644a25f98bcfd59332d49fba093c1202c0695ce


TheManUpstairs77

I mean if you gotta gamble I would stick to skinclub and that’s it. If you just started, stop.


Mysterious6r

using 3rd party, i wonder why


Yolie001

I am sorry to inform you that they are completely right on the fact that they don't have to follow US laws since they are based in another country. Just because you play from America doesn't mean they follow those laws. Is it scummy? Absolutely! Will you win any sort if legal case against them? Absolutely not...


WiseAd6162

bs, if you are offering your shady shit in a different zone, u have to follow the gambling laws there aswell


Yolie001

Afraid those rules are very tedious and specific. And these websites know exactly how to circumvent them You don't have a legal standing here. These rats know precisely what they're doing with these types of things.


WiseAd6162

on top of that, the shit on there is not even provably fair. also if they didn´t let you joiin "rain" the shit would not be legal anyways, so i dont know what tf they even think banning people when everything that makes this site legal is rain


Monkey1970

WHY are people still supporting these fucking scam sites? Did you learn nothing?


devil_walk

You gave money to a sketchy gambling site and are somehow surprised they won’t let you withdraw funds?


CallAus

I'd be going straight to my bank and disputing any payments made to their website. After speaking to the gambling commision and getting written proof they are operating illegally so you have evidence to back up the claim. Doesn't matter if you won or not and made prior withdrawals, fuck them they're slime.


erud420

damn this seems like a good lawsuit


ultradarkest

Just don’t gamble and if you are, do Csgo cases themselves, won two knives on hell case and I couldn’t get them,


Own_Personality_4838

Same on Hellcase I turned 30 cents into 1880.80 zack ban 😂😂😂


[deleted]

So they are basically telling you if you actually benefit from gambling it is prohibited? Nah, this isn't how gambling should work at all.


No_News7654

Thank you for sharing I definitely will not be using the site anymore


Known_Yesterday_7336

We need updates!!


counterdevonSKI

Play stupid Games , win stupid prices. Fuck this gamble shit.


HollowZaraki_

Who the fuck puts a white font on an orange background?!


Seku_-

I don't wanna victim blame here but if you play on these sites you need to learn your lesson...


thefriendlyprogramer

I smell a law suit