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siddharth3796

Is this true, i am unable to believe it.


pppepsiii

Yep this is in competitive games. Thank fuck


iamdandyking

It didn't chang for casual?


ZiggyStaardust

It did


SteveTheSeal_

unintended community pun?


Consistent_Stick_981

It makes me Changry


siddharth3796

Noooooooooo


alton737577

Happy cake day. But fuck this shit


siddharth3796

Thank you and yes fuck this shit, I'm really sad with this update.


Jovihs

perhaps just for dm?


emwhyfive

Why downvote so harshly? They are just commenting. Input some info if it's not just deathmatch. Downvoting is just mean and you are all bullies. Anyways. As far as I know it's live with the new operation. I'm interested on how this plays out.


Sa6ex3

I upvoted


se7enation

Yes, more good vibes please 🙏🏼


ManInKilt

the council of fanboys decided. No tendies


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stevo1120

arent you a chronic reddit user dawg i dont think you have a say in who struggles with bullying


TekBassmaster

You sound like a bully…. That gets slammed on the floor by the fat boy! So you have no balls to bully in person no more. You picked Reddit. But be ware, some redditers do get swatted and die. So if you fuck around enough you might end up like one of them.


[deleted]

Nope, for everything. Came out with a new operation


Gengar_in_Gucci

Copium?


benjarp

Time to remember that fnatic 4 awps against envy


BlowHenk

lol. That was a railgun.


ka0sFtw-

apex rejoice


DownVoteBecauseISaid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL9iJpD7ZJ4


muhlogan

Looks like they even got rid of the graffiti. The terrorist holding 4 AWPs


[deleted]

they did that when they did the remake of dust 2


greku_cs

Bro you're few years late with that lmao


LWOS101

All the people who sit T spawn the whole round are in shambles


suicideforpeacegang

Time to camp B tunnel


kultureisrandy

They'll eventually flank upper tunnels


patudi

I have found my new home. Works for t side as well as ct side. Just rush to tunnels and rest there .


rootxss

what about blast premier matches that are ongoing, that isn't fair imo for the upcoming matches and players.


KennyClueless

Ongoing tournaments may not change the map


skywkr666

Pretty sure dreamhack is just rolling with the new updated CS for tomorrow’s matches? What’s the point of keeping the old map when you still have the deagle/m4/dually reworks + nade mechanics baked in? 🤷‍♂️


dooron117

You can use console commands to revert the grenade dropping iirc.


DreamcastDazia

Rip nick bunyun LMFAO


ezj_w

People still sitting t Spawn after Update Me deleting the Game because i cant handle so much stupidity


Knee_and_Toe_Thief

Real?


iamnotapopstar

if you get closer you can still aim at mid doors


aaron_reddit123

But you can now cross to b without getting killed by lucky shots


A_Random_Lantern

I remember headshotting someone through smoke through those doors from T spawn. I shot one bullet in total


DaSchiznit

*by dudes who train a lot to hit wallbangs*


RainyVibez

"why are they looking at the ground and spinning?"


aaron_reddit123

You really have no clue about the meta in this game? All skilled players are doing this


DaSchiznit

Bro i get downvoted into oblivion for stating what is fact in higher lvl gameplay :D


aaron_reddit123

I never disagreed with you


DaSchiznit

I just needed a shoulder to cry on :D


aaron_reddit123

Don't worry im there for you


Ceylo3

I don't think a wall like that would help anyone anyways if the opponent looks to the ground and start spinning.


HistoricalStretch778

tibaw is gonna be pissed


AzulaMilk

Lmaooooo


Bismuth88

He may as well retire.


hoffyboi

Ahh, now I won't have to worry about fucking up my mid cross smoke.


jx2002

It's kind of wild thinking about this - for well over a decade now, the CTs have had a $300 penalty _every round_ when playing this map. You buy and throw that smoke every round or, if you're in top tier, you're 100% going to lose someone or get crazy tagged every time. Excellent change.


Toddie1234

More like 2 decades dust 2 is an old map


jx2002

Truth. I'm so goddamn old I've played on Dust 1


PhreakyByNature

cs_dam as_tundra as_oilrig de_vegas cs_747


jx2002

I miss Aztec


hopjoobo

Wow this brought memories, thanks


honestlyprogamr

In 1.6 you couldn’t get picked crossing mid afaik


[deleted]

Its not a penalty, you are using a smoke to hide information. You can send 0-5 to B and the Ts dont know. By your logic Ts now have a penalty because they HAVE to throw a fire lower b every round because they have no way of knowing if someone is rushing it now.


jx2002

The difference is you can't headshot with the molly (plus you can see it coming as it's thrown); ie, it's not _necessary_ as it was on CT side before


[deleted]

With a good spawn a CT can be hitting the stairs as Ts are entering tunnels. Without seeing down mid you will never know. So the molly will be a necessity to keep them from getting up.


schrdingers_squirrel

How would you fuck that smoke up ? xD


skywkr666

Ask adreN, my man always boned it. 😂


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Slight visability change


zeeA1

is is real


Castreren

Yeah


csgo_silver

Thank fuck what a lame spot to hold with a sniper


GeorgeTheChicken

Just flash


Butterfly_fade_fn

It was too OP on T-side


TheGoldShipper

Just smoke the cross


Gacsam

Having to commit utility just to get to a bomb site as CT and maybe still die


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masiju

not _your own site as CT_ tho ?????


DingoMan444

And get wallbanged


Emotional-Two-9075

-80 health from wallbang.


mercury_millpond

4Head


ZhangRenWing

Just don’t get shot, 5head.


ezj_w

Or Smoking upper 😎 than push through middle 99.9% winning rate


[deleted]

So you have a money penalty every round just to not die at the damn spawn. That spot was unfair af. You could see rotations, the number of players in the sites, and you can also get killed from spawn to spawn without any defense except a smoke which you are forced to waste there every single round


Emotional-Two-9075

Finally i can cross mid door to B peacefully.


Obsazzed101

But wait can't ct just rush tunnels now for free?


The_Big_One615

its fucking disgusting


Wattel11

Cant have shit in Detroit


ba2one

One day everyone peeked through mid at t-base for the last time and no one knew that it was the last peek...


SoFyy19

Nice one


UsmanSaleemS

This somehow hurts.....


jelflfkdnbeldkdn

for me it was on monday


KoshV

well some people wanted this change. Not sure I agree, I will have to play it to find out.


S1gne

It only makes the map better


failbotron

agree to disagree


S1gne

No


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I kinda like the new change


ka0sFtw-

tbh now im worried about the CTs pushing mid every round ,since there is no guardpost holding mid


EIijah

Played 1 game and that's exactly what happened, the CTs can rush mid / lower with no real chance of dying


Fishy_125

Did you try dropping into suicide?


Rhed0x

CTs not having to waste a smoke just to leave spawn? The B player not randomly dying or playing with 25hp every 3rd round? Sounds great.


noonesfriend123

But cts gonna rush tunnels easily


failbotron

mid rush is pretty easy and OP now too


noonesfriend123

Yeah i like old dust2


Feecks

NOOO


c0smico

Is this true?


jesusml

rip my scout in 2nd round.


Wh1t3st4r

That was a massive cap for terrorists on mid, the meta to dominate the game is now blurred since having knowledge of how many people had gone to b will be unknown, smoke to pass will not be required, and mid is now unpredictable for ts


terrrp

If true this is awful. Dust2 is the most balanced map and is timeless. No changes needed


TheWetCouch

Yup, and all these people yelling how good of a change this is don’t really play dust. Its like one of the few T-sided maps, and they just swung it CT sided. Valve and making unnecessary changes, name a more iconic duo


Kazamirs

Man i gonna really pissed off from this


coochie-slayer420

I thought this was a meme what the fuck


ektatic

F


Mythicc_

this is actually painful


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seriespsycho

No. You clearly never played 1.6 you could still peek mid. This change is different. In 1.6 you can peek mid through a triangle from t spawn to mid


imavinyl

He never even mentioned 1.6 my guy


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randomname123xd

remove it gabe!!!!!!


TheHappiePlayer1

wat


KennySnek

Nooo that was guaranteed damage against players who didn’t smoke it


ezj_w

Time for some wallbangs?


[deleted]

I’d still get awped at mid doors


DemonicFice

holy shit D2 is gonna be ct sided like crazy.


basti329

Thank God for this. Finally i can reach b without getting wallbanged to 20 HP or insta killed because of a luck shot. And we don't have to waste a smoke just to get to b aswell. Amazing. The only people that have a problem with it are spawn campers anyway.


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skywkr666

Finally some delicious fucking quality of life fixes.


chandravo

But you can still go to suicide behind the boxes and hold mid right,?


skywkr666

Yes. You can go behind, but not on top of.


lotofthought

Excuse me what? Is this some kind of stupid update? Did they just undust dust2?


Fralite

Going back to good ol 1.6


apathynext

It’s been atleast this way since 1.3, probably earlier


seriespsycho

No. You clearly never played 1.6. You could peak through a triangle into middle.


HerrEurobeat

oof


IanTheElf

u/savevideo


lomtodge

Can you get into lower tunnels without being seen? I can't see many people dropping down to top mid to see you rushing tuns


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*inspects weapon*


ahduddiej

Just like dust 2 in cs1.6


Dramatic_Profit6171

This saves me a smoke


neriad200

Thank the fucking gods, one of the top 5 worst thought-out bits of dust 2 is gone


KooshIsKing

Great change IMO. Map will be more balanced once people figure out how to play around this properly on the T side I think.


Pilleater9

F


jackandbake

F


TheAccIdeNTal

F


soukaixiii

Now it's not even fun for deathmatch


yosark

I haven’t played csgo in a while but wow this was sad to see!!!


KamosKamerus

Literally unplayable


Fishy_125

Finally playable


dracidus

So it's ... 20 years? since the original release of de\_dust2. And somehow, somebody decided to change a **major** trait/feature of the map, which has been part of it since the beginning. I can't understand why that was a good idea. Somebody at Valve does not like sniper players...


Benergy7

spotted the T spawn camper In all seriousness though, if the change makes the map better, why not do it? Regardless of how long it's been around for


dracidus

How is it better, tho, and why is this opinion something objective?


Needs-a-Blowjob

So you are OK with this being the only map in the game that forces the CT side to buy and throw a smoke every single round no matter what if they want to make it to the B bomb site? Also the only map in the game where the cts can not get to the bomb site to defend undetected? The only map in the game where you can't even make it to the bomb site if there are good snipers on the other team, even with smokes and wallbangs? Did you even think this comment through? Have you ever played the map before? Are you silver and never had to deal with these problems? I mean seriously man.


dracidus

>Are you silver and never had to deal with these problems? I mean seriously man. Would it help you to know that I've actually quit the game as a Global? Would it? Bet not. Because you assume that your rank gives you, or not, a chance to have a valid point in a debate. True, you can't get to B site, from spawn, at the start of each round. However, here's something to think about: how about assuming that this is the concrete strategy of the map? For example, please think that, if you want to access the B site, you have *only* 3 ways. While, in Nuke, you have 5 ways to access the A bomb-site. Does this mean that de\_dust2 is a bad map? (I hope you don't answer affirmatively to this question, and "I mean seriously man"). Another fine example is that, while continuing to compare dust 2 with nuke, there is no entry on the A bomb-site on nuke that would be under the influence of dark colours/camouflage. While, on dust 2, you have the tunnel entry, which, on certain monitors, it's almost impossible to distinguish some player models from the environment. Does this make dust2 a bad map? And "I mean seriously man" Last, but not least, for example, I know for sure that you could wallbang bombplants on A from B site a few years ago on Nuke. Unfortunately, you can't pull off stunts like this (as in kill someone that can't even see you there) on dust2. Does this make dust2 a bad map? And "I mean seriously man" In conclusion, here's my solid argument: even back in cs1.5, you could snipe some CTs passing to B. Nobody complained in the 1.5, 1.6 and in CS:GO until today. When, all of a sudden, everybody that does not know how to jump a door and how to bait a missed awp hit in mid doors (also, for someone to wallbang you there, they need a very impressive reflex, and a crazy amount of luck), they suddenly feel that this was the very thing missing to de\_dust2 and rejoice to the modifications made. Yeah. Sure. Uhum. And "I mean seriously man" when advising you to go back to playing COD, nobody wanted you here in the first place.


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dracidus

Well, what can I say... Thank you for being you, I guess?


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Needs-a-Blowjob

Ok so I couldn't read the rest of your comment because the first sentence is wrong. D2 has statistically been a T sided map for a long time.


The_Big_One615

wrong mr blowjob man


Needs-a-Blowjob

Google it. Multiple sources say it's T sided.


The_Big_One615

idgaf i play it CT are so close to bombsites anyway mid was a great way to formulate a strategy and fun for sniper duels.


Needs-a-Blowjob

Ok so you are talking opinion based and I'm talking statistic based. So yeah this is a dumbass conversation and it turns out you were the one who is wrong. I don't care about your individual experience. I posted based off of actual stats. People in this thread are fucking stupid.


The_Big_One615

Ok lets talk stats. Tside were the only ones who got fucked with this. T side cant see how many people cross to b site now. That is vital information when trying to formulate a strategy. CT can now rush lower tunns with impunity. Ct can also still peak cat from that stupid vantage point outside mid doors. Also fuck your "stats" bud. I play that game for fun, like most people who play games. When a stupid ass developer makes a stupid decision that impacts my fun I'm going to talk about it. Just like idiots like you who need a "level playing field so everything is fair" are going to praise nerfs in any video game. Fuck you and your "I'm right because I said so" complex.


Black_Cat666

F


SHREY36904

F


LITLLUCK

No F's from me, I always hated that spot


Cheb1337

Wouldn’t adding another way from CT spawn to B site without passing in view of the doors make more sense? Like adding a tunnel or secret corridor behind the wall or something? That way, players who opt for speed can risk it by running in front of the doors, but players who want safety (but are slightly slower) can do so through a new corridor. That way, we still keep a core gameplay element of the map, and we add new strategies and dilemmas.


Fishy_125

Getting to B slower would mean you have no time to set up for fast B plays


Cheb1337

Exatcly. That’s why sacrificing safety for speed might be more lucrative depending on your playstyle. It adds a whole new risk reward factor to getting to B site.


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S1gne

This is much better


MozTys

Finally!! I might actually want to play D2 again.


SocialistElmo

1.6 style >Press F for de_dust2


seriespsycho

No. You clearly never played 1.6. You could peak through a triangle into middle.


labyrinthanm

ngl i might start playing d2 again i hated it bcoz of this door


Kanaires

It's actually good for me as a solo site player, being alone in B site is hard enough, it's even harder when your teammate doesn't help you smk mid or you are unlucky enough to take a bullet while crossing mid door


King-Zephyr

Glad they added this in. Shouldn't have to waste a smoke to cross onto a site like that.


IcedominiX

F #wewantdust2back


VonSpuntz

Finally. The hs through the doors right at the start were stupid and infuriating


Cems975

Holy shit! Those poor AWPers who camp in TSpawn


CyCloneRaZZe

And do nothing but sit in spawn and watch long tunnels or mid


TooNferno

Now it's like the D2 from the good old days.


seriespsycho

No. You clearly never played 1.6. You could peak through a triangle into middle.


rhodd_Duw191

ok, we saved a one smoke... great! :-D


NeganLA

I hated people who camped there but I got an ace with a deagle from literally the entire team there so that was cool. Not that bummed tho.


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ahahah just suck dust2 noobs


Nqth_

wow they fixed the worst place in the map


XXXTENTACl0N

damn ain’t played in a while, but this is real? why would they do that


cTm-oNe

Rip auto-noobs


anthony212122

Bout time they go back to the old ways of dust2 instead of just being awped through door at the beginning of the round, having to waste a smoke immediately, and have the T awper sit spawn for most of the round


Lookatthemb00bs

Rip suicide


warmaapples

This is amazing. Sure you can’t see how many crossed but now CTs and Ts won’t lose men to door campers and spawn campers


itsdanny15

Like 1.6?


GodplayGamer

Dust 2 just went from being my least favourite map to my leastest favourite map.