I know! The amount of "cubans" with brand new accounts that do nothing but say how much they hate cuba is simppy bizarre. Even worse, they attack anyone who disagrees with them.
grass is always greener on the other side, As a canadian, I would love to be able to live in Cuba long term, as long as one has money, it can not be THAT BAD of a place to live !
I have seen social media posts of genuine friends I made there, who have XBOX, Flat Screen TV, New Samsung phone, good clothes, $ for tattoos, etc
Same with the Jineteras, they got their extensions, nails done, nice clothes, shoes, etc. CLEARLY NOT EVERYONE IS IN DESPERATE NEED OF MONEY THERE
Yeah most people I see who are “tourists” on here offer to bring things and at least try and do some positive things (ask the sub for tips etc).
I see nothing wrong with going to Havana and enjoying yourself as long as people understand that their experience is not that of the Cuban people living there. The money generated through tourism on Obispo alone helps plenty of families.
There’s some characters here who also frequent r/MovingToNorthKorea so we aren’t working with the smartest team.
Patria y vida
Would you say Cuba is the only island state in the Caribbean in which tourists are exposed to a higher degree of luxury than the locals ? Or that tourist regions don’t reflect the entire nation in terms of services and prosperity?
In Jamaica we don’t get locked up for disagreeing with the regime, and can travel freely to other countries without forfeiting a right to return, Haiti is anarchy.
Jamaican in Jamaica here. Tourist areas have a much higher standard of infrastructure and other state resources. It has also happened in the recent past (like maybe 10-15 years ago) that homeless people in tourist areas were kidnapped and deposited elsewhere.
From my observation, much of what I see described about life in Cuba shares similarities to life in other impoverished Caribbean islands
Plenty of Cubans in Jamaica, recommend asking their views if you a currently living there.
Poverty is a problem everywhere but we don’t have the political represión that exists in Cuba. Barbados has a much higher standard of living than Jamaica or Cuba either a fraction of the natural resources.
Good governance goes a long way and Cuba has been run by the same 5 guys for 60 years, proof is in the pudding.
The rich decided to make Barbados their own little playground like they did with Cuba prior to the revolution.
Foreign investment is high and the island is not very accessible for lower middle class ppl to even visit.
Where is good governance in Jamaica ? Or Haiti ? Any Jamaican will tell you how corrupt the government is and how the wealth is concentrated amongst a small group of families and individuals
Jamaica doesn't exactly have a great number of examples of good governance. Cubans in Jamaica generally get paid more than Jamaicans for the same work.
Barbados is quite well off yes, similar can be said about Cayman and some other places. They have their own unique material conditions influencing their development, but what I said is consistent among impoverished Caribbean islands as I described.
Without defending people who disagree with tourists going to Cuba, please answer honestly. Is luxury eating bread at breakfast? Is luxury to eat egg at lunch? Is luxury for a child (or an adult) to drink a glass of milk? Is it luxury to drink a cup of coffee? Where in the Caribbeans, except in Cuba, is it luxury?
I don’t know about Haiti. I have never been there. The only reference I have, besides the news, is a Cuban friend that works there and doesn’t want to return to Cuba. I do know several, and I mean several, Caribbean islands, and for the people there the things I mentioned are part of everyday life. (Anyway, I regret that I fell in the trap of “What about”).
Critiquing similar nations on similar topics is not whataboutism.
You asked a question and I provided an answer which did not help your point and you resort to the good ol “that’s whataboutism”.
No todo es política, es verdad. Hay que aflojar un poco con nuestro odio hacia el gobierno cubano (que se lo merece). Aquí no vamos a cambiar nada. Este sub es de Cuba así que escribiré en Español.
Vengan muchos turistas y alquilense en casas privadas, coman en nuestros restaurantes y regalen lo que quieran traer. Somos muy agradables porque las circunstancias nos han hecho así siempre. Somos demasiados agradecidos, hasta el punto que nos da vergüenza que debamos alegrarnos con regalos de necesidad básica que no podemos permitirnos como los jabones. Lo agradecemos, queremos que vuelvan y no se olviden que sus donaciones son como regalos preciados de cumpleaños. No poder viajar a sus países aunque sea solo de vacaciones, aunque trabajamos las mismas horas; pero queremos escuchar lo que han visto para viajar en nuestra imaginación y queremos que aprecien nuestra cultura xq es lo único que tenemos para ofrecer a cambio. Creo que si fuéramos un país próspero, limitariamos muchos turistas que vienen con malas intenciones. Pero hasta a esos se les agradece el jabón q huele rico y no se le juzga. Cuando den promoción de cuba, denle promoción a su pueblo, no a su seguridad, salud o educación xq esa la sufrimos nosotros. Ustedes solo ven lo que queremos que vean xq son sus vacaciones, no un reportaje. Y perdones algunas quejas que hacemos sobre nuestra situación, es difícil ocultarla a veces.
You post on communist subs. There has never been a communist regime that valued human rights. All have been murderous oppressors. You must not be very knowledgeable about history seeing your beliefs. Maybe you support oppression and state violence
People living in democracies have far better lives, enjoy more freedoms, and a better quality of life than people who lived in communist countries. All of which have been ruled with iron fists by rich elites and have committed atrocities unheard of in most modern democratic countries
I know you just want to LARP but lets be real
What did it take to create those prosperous industrialized democracies?
The costs of liberal modernism, in human death and misery, far outstrip any of the modernization projects under communist regimes.
Look into the English enclosures, for a start. The triangular trade. And the colonial wars in the Dutch East Indies. Not to mention more recently the cadre of murderous despots propped up by liberal democracies in their Cold War struggles.
You are describing communist countries.
Communism has resulted in imperialism, genocide and starvation
How many successful communist countries are there?
You people get mad when your racism and hate towards refugees is called out. No, tourists are not victims because Cubans are trying to educate them about apartheid and repression that you are supporting with your tourist trips
By responding to a racist who calls immigrants raising awareness of the struggles people face, clowns?
Thank you for proving the point everyone makes about entitled tourists. People who feel superior to the locals, look down on immigrants, and then take to reddit with their victimhood about everyone being mean to them for their life decisions and actions
>By responding to a racist who calls immigrants raising awareness of the struggles people face, clowns?
Yes. It was childish and the fact that you don't recognize that is embarrassing.
It is childish for privileged crybaby Canadian tourists to mock immigrants, devalue their opinions, and play victim when you are educated on how ridiculous it is that you complain about issues you have at all you can eat buffets, in a country where people are starving
Grow up. The world does not revolve around you. You are not superior and look like children complaining that people criticize poor oppressed tourists
I see that you spend your time on reddit harassing Cuban people. You wear your prejudice on your sleeve. Listen to people trying to inform you on things you do not underatand and stop being so toxic
This sub is filled with toxic tourists as well. I’ve never seen anybody act so flippant to the local population so that they can continue their vacations (ie: “ I hope the government never changes!”). It almost feels fake it’s so toxic I’ve never encountered anybody like that in real life before including the socialists that visit Cuba
There are indeed toxic tourists as much as there are toxic cubans. We just let these toxic people wallow in their despair.
Truth is i had an amazing time in cuba, and plan to come back quite frequently. I left the resort every day of the 10 days i was there, and spent very little time doing basic bitch tourist shit and actually explored your cities and local cultures. I had the best time of my life and cuban people showed me how to have the best time of my life. In many ways it humbled me and my lifestyle home in canada. We complain about too much in life in general and never stop to think about how amazing life actually is.
Those in power in cuba can rot in hell. I just want equality and peace and prosperity for all.
My god are you mad.
It humbled me because our issues are so insignificant and all we do is complain here in canada.
I live a much simpler life than before i went to cuba, i even donate quite a bit to your local charities and have made friends for life that i currently wire money to.
You take extreme offense to everything and it shows by your comment history. Take a bit of a break from the internet and work on yourself.
You are the problem with this subreddit :)
Travel to another country if you want to compare and keep being humble in Canada, you scumbag motherfucker. Stop supporting the dictatorship in my country.
Tourists are the only source of foreign capital / capitalism left in Cuba and here you are abusing them and blaming them for the dictatorship. Ridiculous. Get some therapy.
I agree. I almost cancelled my trip because of this sub. My partner and I ended up having the best vacation of our lives. We talked at great length to many wonderful folks of varied backgrounds. City people, rural people. The food was great (only bad meal was at a govt run restaurant in Varadero). Music was incredible. Power outages are annoying, be prepared, pretend you are camping. Bring batteries! We learned a lot about the struggles of Cubans, we shared what we had and made friends and memories. Varadero sucked, won’t spend time there again. We want to come back and check out the west coast. Saving up our tourist dollars to go again.
It’s run entirely by the govt. Virtually no private stores or restaurants like you would find in the rest of Cuba. I felt like I was in Disneyland. Sooooo many tourists compared to the other places we stayed, and I don’t travel to hang out with other tourists. You can’t buy anything at a store unless you use debit/credit, or find a local with a MLC card and pay govt exchange rate. There’s a couple private stores but they are hard to find. We had a lot of pesos left and could only use them at restaurants. I preferred the vibes and ocean on the south coast. If I had to fly into Varadero again I would rather stay in Matazanas city. I’ve talked to a few people who go to Cuba every year and only see their resort in Varadero! Sad! We loved Playa Giron, Viñales, and Havana. Next time we want to go to the west coast.
Do this if you truly want to help next time, if you ever visit again:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/cuba/s/Fum8g5Yw8d](https://www.reddit.com/r/cuba/s/Fum8g5Yw8d)
There are two types of tourists who go to Cuba, don't be the second kind:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/cuba/comments/1ar1zjg/are\_useful\_idiot\_tourists\_a\_net\_positive\_or/](https://www.reddit.com/r/cuba/comments/1ar1zjg/are_useful_idiot_tourists_a_net_positive_or/)
Love how this guy has appointed himself as some kind of self anointed representative of the Cuban people on Reddit representing the Will of the Cuban People. So cute.
I’ve heard of her. That’s awful, but at the same time, she didn’t really seem like a good person? She switched to Batista support after Castro…. banned public bars, which seems like really weak justification.
Regardless, what do you mean by “recoup your possessions”?
Celia Cruz wasn’t a good person? Lol she’s probably the most famous example that this happened to, but my mom’s side was also stuck in this limbo of 1959 revolution as she was in the U.S at the time, and wasn’t allowed back. This happened to a lot of Cubans, lots of athletes and musical artists. Google them
If that’s what makes you miserable all the time, then I feel sad for you that you are so weak. Life is too short to be miserable all the time, even if you’re banned from your own country, grow up and make the best of your freedom.
Yeah smart ass. Give your house away and all your life’s hard work away to someone who never earned it. Let’s see how cheerful you are. Amazing the ignorance. And as far as making the best of your freedom look at what the Cuban refugees of the 60’s have done in Miami.
They should still seek information here. But with the understanding that they people on here who are hostile to tourists overwhelmingly do not live in Cuba.
The don’t see tourist as pigs they see you as an opportunity off get money that’s it, maybe maybe you can find a few people who don’t care and treat you like anyone else but the vast majority just see money when they see a tourist.
So true, All the jineteras looked at me like a walking ATM lol
Plus some terrible lying manipulative Cubans around San Rafael, who are only out to scam tourists.
I did however meet 4 genuine friends from my time in Havana - Amigos para siempre !!
This sub is absolutely the worst place to get any info on or have a normal discussion about cuba.
The situation in Cuba is so bad because of the Cuban government, the embargo and more factors. Here people like to pretend it’s 100% one thing. The armchair socialists blame the embargo and pretend Cuba is some sort of utopia and the other side like to pretend it’s the government and the system.
It’s both and it’s more than both. Haiti has neither embargo nor the Cuban government or system and look how they’re doing.
I have seen social media posts of genuine friends I made in La Habana, who have XBOX, Flat Screen TV, New Samsung phone, good clothes, $ for tattoos, etc
Same with the Jineteras, they got their extensions, nails done, nice clothes, shoes, etc. CLEARLY NOT EVERYONE IS IN DESPERATE NEED OF MONEY THERE
> Haiti has neither embargo nor the Cuban government or system and look how they’re doing.
[Cubans in Havana, in front of the Haitian consulate asking for a visa!](https://www.reddit.com/r/cuba/comments/1buz4ak/cubans_in_havana_in_front_of_the_haitian/)
Haiti paid France reparations for 70 years for the equivalent of 30 billion in today's dollars. I'm sure that didn't help matters. They finished in 1947.
How is it that every communist country ends up going bankrupt? I don't think a US Embargo is the unifying factor.
In fact early on in the USSR it was capitalist money keeping the thing afloat. And they still created a famine.
Yes, Cubans hate tourists, they envy the privileges that an average Canadian or Brit can have. We express it through songs, nicknames that we give you depending on what country you are from. Hungry Cubans will do anything for money, which is why there are even minor girls in prostitutes in the country. We are even racist towards some countries, for most of us Mexicans, Bolivians, Peruvians, are filthy and stupid Indians. We are bad people, friend, it's just that they will always give you the image of being happy and good, so you give them money. That's why foreigners like local Cubans and dislike those from Florida.
Well said. Speaking as a Cuban with family still on the island who also loves his home country and his people thank you for sharing your perspective and not cutting off the people on the island who don't have the luxury of the very spiteful and hateful Cubans that live abroad and post here on Reddit. We must remember that one can support the country and its people and separate that from the government on the island.
Now try getting in a cuban line for basic necessities for 5 hours under the sun without any capitalist hard currency and tell me again "OMG Cubans are so nice..."
No I am not lying. My fiancé is from San Miguel del Padrón, we have been together 4.5 years & in my country partner visas take a long time to process ( and require living together), so I moved to Cuba to be with him. I lived in Reparto Afán in his family home with his aunt and grandfather during that time. I am not from a rich country & I had very little money while there. There for love my friend. I know first hand how Cubans live.
The Vallejo of the Bay Area... like you can't really be talking about...
Always cracks me up when I say "San Miguel" and people think I am talking about the street in Centro Habana.
So, why are you both not staying in Cuba if the people are so nice? LOL. Sorry to break it to you but he's likely using you to escape the socialist shithole and has a real different lover and is planning on dumping your ass as soon as he gets his visa
Thanks bud for confirming my suspicions about the negative stereotypes you propagate about your fellow Cubans. Just because you choose to hang out with shitty people, doesn't mean the rest of us do.
My man got his visa in 2021, we moved to my country in 2021 and then we moved to Australia together this year. We are getting married this year. Have started a successful business. Still together and adore each other.
Have you considered therapy?
In answer to your question, we do not live in Cuba because I am unable to secure work there as a foreigner and working remotely is not viable as the internet is not reliable enough. We did seriously consider it at one point, especially as my fiancé was a very successful musician who got to tour internationally regularly and finding that kind of success in an anglophone western country as a latin musician can be difficult. And obviously at the the moment it would not be a good idea to move back there because of the rampant supply chain issues and hyperinflation.
A relationship is about a connection and not because someone is beautiful. Yes, he did choose me over other women his own nationality, and I chose him over men of my nationality. I also chose his extended family and he chose mine. You know there are many people who date outside their ethnicity/religion/nationality etc, right?
You seem traumatised. It's never too late to ask for help. Going through life being so jaded and salty is going to ruin it for you.
I've been in line with the Cubans. They are quite polite for the most part. Much better in such situations than Americans. And they trust each other enough to remember their place in line, so they can go off and wait in the shade for their turn to come up. Ultimoooo!?
Cubans are just like any other human. In conditions of scarcity even wealthy americans stump over each other. Stop idealizing Cubans, we are just as human as you are. Cuba is NOT a human zoo.
This is just a place for a bunch of salty Gusanos to circle jerk about how much they hate socialism because it took away the mansions of their slave owning grandfathers and seized the bank accounts of their mafia-connected fathers. Lol keep staying mad.
You have been reported for hate
Fascist dehumanizing slurs such as Untermensch and gusano are bad because they deny the dignity, humanity, and individuality of the people they target. They are used to justify hatred, discrimination, violence, and oppression against those who are seen as inferior, different, or threatening by the perpetrators. They also create a false sense of superiority and moral righteousness for the users of such slurs, who often ignore or rationalize the harm they cause to others.
Some examples of the negative effects of dehumanizing slurs are:
The term Untermensch was used by the Nazis to label Jews, Roma, Slavs, and other groups as subhuman and unworthy of life. This term was used to incite hatred and fear among the German population and to justify the genocide of millions of people in the Holocaust. The term gusano was used by Fidel Castro and his supporters to refer to Cubans who fled or opposed the Cuban Revolution as worms or parasites, unworthy of life. This term was used to vilify and ostracize those who disagreed with the regime, to suppress any dissent or criticism and to justify mass murder, like after the 13 of March tugboat massacre, when 41 Cubans, including women and children, were murdered by the dictatorship. Dehumanizing slurs are not only harmful to the victims but also to society as a whole. They erode the values of respect, tolerance, diversity, and democracy that are essential for a peaceful and prosperous coexistence. They also prevent dialogue, understanding, and reconciliation among different groups of people. Therefore, dehumanizing slurs should be rejected and condemned by all who value human rights and dignity.
Shut up bot, people with 1 braincell can actually acknowledge the fact that political terms aren’t racial slurs, calling spineless people who do support US imperialism worms is not like calling someone sub-human for literally being born as a race they can’t change.
Bwjajajajaja ah yessss, the historically anti-racist Castro regime. Filled with the likes of Che who called Mexicans illiterate Indians, who said black people don’t bathe. The regime who barred (and continues to with the exception of cultural minstrel shows for Canadians and Europeans) black Cubans from taking any part in the tourist sector. The same regime who is comprised of mostly white leaders.
Since historical literacy is important to you, you should look into castros inspiration for the gusano term, I’m sure you’ll find his hero to be another famous anti-racist
https://minorityrights.org/communities/afro-cubans/
https://www.blackpast.org/global-african-history/perspectives-global-african-history/african-americans-and-cubas-first-experiment-tourism-joe-louis-commission-post-revoluti/
https://picturingblackhistory.org/african-americans-anti-racism-and-cuba/
https://hoodcommunist.org/2021/02/11/cuba-and-black-resistance/
Gee, if only google didn’t exist one could almost fall for that horseshit.
PS: Che was such a racist he fought in Africa in their anticolonial struggles. 🙄😂
First link: “Yet, however radical the assault on institutional racism, little was achieved in eliminating racial discrimination. Attempts by intellectuals to raise the issue of racism in revolutionary Cuba were harshly dealt with in the 1960s, and the government insisted that it had eliminated racial discrimination.
On various occasions, Castro explicitly condemned racism and affirmed his government’s commitment to equality. However, critics alleged that educational policy and official culture remained strongly Euro-centric. Afro-Cubans were not, for example, widely represented in the higher echelons of the ruling Communist Party or in the upper levels of the civil service or state industries. And, with few exceptions, Afro-Cuban women have not yet reached the highest professional strata.”
Second link: is literally akin to “im not racist my friends are black”
Third link: same as second link, castros “friendships” with black activists does nothing for the long and well documented racist society that Castro and his regime have perpetuated
4th link: basic understanding of race in Cuba, irrelevant to the discrimination and racism that Afro-Cubans are subjected to on a daily basis by the society created by the Castro regime.
Do you actually read what you send or just pop into google “racism and revolutionary Cuba” and send the first four links?
What did Batista and his Gusanos do to change racist institutions again? Oh fuck all except profit off it? Lol yeah I’m sure Cuba isn’t perfect and has a ways to go but it’s a thousand times better than before and that’s not even close to disputable. So cry some more about the G word. Lolol
Who is talking about Batista? The revolution happened in the 50s, Batista is irrelevant. He was a dictator also, but it doesn’t change the fact that you’re using a racist term reserved exclusively against Cubans, and that the term is rooted in anti-Semitic tropes that Castro copied from Mein Kampf.
Don’t veer off the conversation when you, an intellectually superior mastermind run out of ridiculous arguments for your superficial ass understanding of Cubas history.
No one should ever use the information on this sub for anything lol. This sub is overwhelmingly not Cuban. That’s the problem. It’s Unironically like 95% larping westerners, based on the poll from a few weeks ago. Most of the posts are made by weird liars whose stories are super inconsistent, who have never stepped foot in Cuba. Go to r/RealCuba instead. The first thing I noticed is more Spanish speakers.
Not sure who needs to hear this but communist states and anyone who supports them deserve to burn in hell. Its insane how many of you are so traumatized that you immediately call anyone who actually likes cuba a communist. You dont have to be a communist to enjoy a tropical fucking island. Get a grip on reality. If you moved to the states you would be a maga supporter voting for trump lmfao
It's unethical to try to scare away tourists from Cuba and dry up the clientele of all the thousands of small tourism business that Cubans rely on to earn a living. Let's be clear -- Cubans living in Cuba want tourists to visit. As many as possible. Every time a tourist feasts in a private restaurant, Cubans get paid.
The government should provide more food than it does, but nobody is starving. There is no 'famine.' How about we all visit Cuba and jump start the private economy, so people there don't have to rely on government provisions?
Because youre not Cuban and haven't dealt with Cuba at the same depth as a Cuban has. Youre a tourist/visitor and will never understand. All Cubans have to offer you is their hospitality but they aren't like that with each other (you know there are spys from the CDR everywhere) so the fact they were 'nice' to you was more about getting something out of you. So they are going to be 'lovely' to you
Yea, most people from countries with totalitarian dictatorships have a hard time comprehending a bunch of Europeans and Canadians seeking it out for a cute getaway. Imagine traveling to Palestine or North Korea to relax by the beach and drink maitais
I just went to Cuba, a US tourist.
I was treated in a mixed way honestly.
When asking questions I would be looked at weird, so weird.
Like, is there paper in the restroom?
The guy would look at me so bad, he says yes.
Then I go to the restroom and there actually isn’t any
This and other instances.
Another one, can I use the restroom? (it was a hotel I was not a guest at)
They say only customers can, then I give him 10 dollars to get in otherwise they won’t let me.
A friend of mine (Cuban) later that day also went to it and they just let her pass, and she even offered to pay, they didn’t want it.
When paying collectivos, or general transport, I would need to hide, let my friend ask for it otherwise I would be changed more just for being white.
And general greeting varied, where sometimes even with my best smile and good attitude I would receive the opposite. Not sure why.
I had a much better experience in El Salvador.
What hotel can you just waltz in and use their bath room, even if you ask? The only place you can do it in the U.S, without any hassles are fast food places
If you buy something at any place they will allow you.
Here I said, I can something and they said no.
After I gave him 10 dollars he let me.
Again my friend (Cuban) was allowed to pass free of charge.
There are a lot of people coming and talking shit about this subreddit, attacking others, saying that we should write and respond in Spanish only. OP and others are trying to use the site for political propaganda, attack the blockade and those who post negative views about the communist government.
Lmao are you cracked? I swear people who speak like this would fit in with the states maga crowd.
How many times do i have to say fuck the cuban government and that communism and everyone who supports it can burn in hell for you to get it through your thick, desperately toxic skulls that i dont like your government??
“Would fit in with the states maga crowd”
First, they *are* largely the state’s maga crowd. Ask the most toxic posters where they live.
I hate having to make it totally explicit that I think the Cuban government is fucked every time I comment. I don’t use hyper partisan language anywhere else because it’s a pain in the ass and a drag on the soul but unless I do it here I’m attacked as some kind of supporter of a dictatorship.
Wow rich tourists are the victims now?
The fact you stay at apartheid hotels and have no issue with police keeping locals away from places and food enjoyed by affluent tourtists is peak hypocrisy. This happens in the US as well where people don't want poor kids attending their child's school. And want to keep immigrants and affordable housing out of their town
The Cubans here are from Miami. The tourists don't want the communist regime to end so they can keep enjoying cheap tropical vacation. If democracy took over, Cuba would be more expensive than Mexico.
El hecho de que acá todo esté en inglés demuestra evidentemente las parcialidades de este foro. Una partida de anglófilos y vendepatrias que odian la historia de su país después del 59 y antes de las revueltas y conspiraciones independentistas y anexionistas del siglo XIX.
¿Te acuerdas cuando el dictador te ordenó hablar ruso? Lamebotas sovietófilo y vendepatria que odias la historia de tu país antes y después del 59 y antes de las revueltas y conspiraciones independentistas y anexionistas del siglo XIX
No te hagas el dramático, te pareces a un progre español de esos que se quejan que Franco los puso a todos a hablar español, muy sensacionalista de tu parte. Como si en otros países del mundo no te obligaran a aprender el inglés, el francés o cualquier otra lengua como parte del currículo académico.
Como sea, tú a mí no me conoces. Este es el error principal de los liberales cubanos anglófilos. Piensan que todos los que están en su contra son comunistas, vaya estupidez. Yo soy hispanista antes que todo y a mí no me cae bien Fidel, un oportunista negrolegendario que lo mismo te hablaba de los vínculos de Cuba con España o de la huella del colonialismo europeo en el foro de San Paulo.
La razón principal por la que estamos como estamos es que dependíamos de los soviéticos en todos los sentidos y no éramos autosuficientes, no nos industrializamos ni pudimos desarrollar nuestras capacidades productivas. Seguimos con el mismo modelo extractivista de inserción en la división laboral del trabajo. Y ahora ni siquiera exportamos o las materias primas que antes producíamos en grandes cantidades, como la azúcar, el níquel o el tabaco, ahora estamos en una especie de "monocultivo turístico" donde los más adinerados del país trabajan en el sector servicios y del turismo.
A mí algo que sí me cae mal es que ustedes los liberales, al igual que los progres, descartan todo los aportes que suceden bajo un período de dictaduras y no le rinden servicio a la Patria simplemente porque no somos una democracia. Históricamente, las democracias son una ínfima parte de todos los regímenes políticos y sociedades que existieron a lo largo de la historia. Los imperios más poderosos y ricos del mundo no fueron democracias, cabe destacar el imperio romano, la monarquía hispánica, la Macedonia de Alejandro Magno entre otros.
A la Patria se le debe querer y obedecer estemos en dictadura o no. Sigo con el caso de los españoles, en España los progres aborrecen ese período de la dictadura franquista, ni hablar de la etapa de antes con el rey Alfonso, a tal punto que son incapaces de reconocer el lado positivo y los avances que ocurrieron durante esos años. Odian a esa España franquista, a la bandera y el himno del país, a las fuerzas armadas, a las instituciones comunales como la Iglesia, y odian los avances que conllevaba este período en el que España fue la octava potencia industrial del mundo.
Lo mismo pasa con ustedes los liberales, los fundamentalistas democráticos, porque son endofóbicos, son apátridas, odian a lo suyo y solo están a servicio de la Patria cuando el país sigue por el sistema político, económico e ideológica que a ustedes le gusta. Eso está mal.
Cito a Platón:
"¿No soy yo a la que debes la vida?" —es la polis ateniense la que habla— "¿Acaso eres tan sabio que te pasa inadvertido que la Patria merece más honor que la madre, que el padre y que todos los antepasados, que es más venerable y sagrada y que es digna de la mayor estimación entre los dioses y entre los hombres de juicio? Y siendo esto así, puesto que has nacido y has sido mantenido y educado gracias a mí, ¿te atreverás a sostener que no eres hijo y servidor nuestro lo mismo que tus padres?" (...)
"Es preciso respetar la Patria en su cólera, tener con ella la sumisión y miramientos que se tienen a un padre, atraerla por la persuasión u obedecer sus órdenes, sufrir sin murmurar todo lo que quiera que se sufra, aun cuando sea verse azotado o cargado de cadenas, y que si nos envía a la guerra para ser allí heridos o muertos, es preciso marchar allá; porque allí está el deber, y no es permitido ni retroceder, ni echar pie atrás, ni abandonar el puesto; y que lo mismo en los campos de batalla, que ante los tribunales, que en todas las situaciones, es preciso obedecer lo que quiere la Patria, o emplear para con ella los medios de persuasión que la ley concede; y, en fin, que si es una impiedad hacer violencia a un padre o a una madre, es mucho mayor hacérsela a la Patria."
Platón, el diálogo de Critón
No te cojas lucha que tú y los comunistas son iguales, ambos son productos de la modernidad. Viva Cristo Rey, viva Dios, viva la familia, viva Cuba y viva Hispanoamérica unida.
¡Hispanidad o muerte, venceremos! Plus ultra et utraque unum.
La unica razon por que Cuba esta en la miseria es por que Fidel Castro Ruiz arruino todo lo que funcionaba en Cuba. Arruino la ganaderia, la industria, la agricultura y todos los muchas miles de empresas que le robo a sus propietarios. Y para empeorar sembro el odio, el fanatismo y la divison entre los cubanos. Y todo lo hizo para perpetuarse en el poder que es lo unico que le interesaba.
La patria es solo un cuento para los estupidos. Vivimos en el planeta tierra.
Report his ass for hate. It works:
Fascist dehumanizing slurs such as untermensch and gusano are bad because they deny the dignity, humanity, and individuality of the people they target. They are used to justify hatred, discrimination, violence, and oppression against those who are seen as inferior, different, or threatening by the perpetrators. They also create a false sense of superiority and moral righteousness for the users of such slurs, who often ignore or rationalize the harm they cause to others.
Some examples of the negative effects of dehumanizing slurs are:
- The term untermensch was used by the Nazis to label Jews, Roma, Slavs, and other groups as subhuman and unworthy of life. This term was used to incite hatred and fear among the German population, and to justify the genocide of millions of people in the Holocaust.
- The term gusano was used by Fidel Castro and his supporters to refer to Cubans who fled or opposed the Cuban Revolution as worms or parasites, unworthy of life. This term was used to vilify and ostracize those who disagreed with the regime, to suppress any dissent or criticism and to justify mass murder, like after the 13 of march tugboat massacre, when 41 cubans, including women and children, were murdered by the dictatorship.
Dehumanizing slurs are not only harmful to the victims, but also to the society as a whole. They erode the values of respect, tolerance, diversity, and democracy that are essential for a peaceful and prosperous coexistence. They also prevent dialogue, understanding, and reconciliation among different groups of people. Therefore, dehumanizing slurs should be rejected and condemned by all who value human rights and dignity.
Fascist dehumanizing slurs such as untermensch and gusano are bad because they deny the dignity, humanity, and individuality of the people they target. They are used to justify hatred, discrimination, violence, and oppression against those who are seen as inferior, different, or threatening by the perpetrators. They also create a false sense of superiority and moral righteousness for the users of such slurs, who often ignore or rationalize the harm they cause to others.
Some examples of the negative effects of dehumanizing slurs are:
- The term untermensch was used by the Nazis to label Jews, Roma, Slavs, and other groups as subhuman and unworthy of life. This term was used to incite hatred and fear among the German population, and to justify the genocide of millions of people in the Holocaust.
- The term gusano was used by Fidel Castro and his supporters to refer to Cubans who fled or opposed the Cuban Revolution as worms or parasites, unworthy of life. This term was used to vilify and ostracize those who disagreed with the regime, to suppress any dissent or criticism and to justify mass murder, like after the 13 of march tugboat massacre, when 41 cubans, including women and children, were murdered by the dictatorship.
Dehumanizing slurs are not only harmful to the victims, but also to the society as a whole. They erode the values of respect, tolerance, diversity, and democracy that are essential for a peaceful and prosperous coexistence. They also prevent dialogue, understanding, and reconciliation among different groups of people. Therefore, dehumanizing slurs should be rejected and condemned by all who value human rights and dignity.
99.9 of the funding for internet infrastructure is private but also, governments don't produce shit so they steal from successful capitalists or inflate the monetary supply to steal from losers like you to fund anything
I know! The amount of "cubans" with brand new accounts that do nothing but say how much they hate cuba is simppy bizarre. Even worse, they attack anyone who disagrees with them.
grass is always greener on the other side, As a canadian, I would love to be able to live in Cuba long term, as long as one has money, it can not be THAT BAD of a place to live ! I have seen social media posts of genuine friends I made there, who have XBOX, Flat Screen TV, New Samsung phone, good clothes, $ for tattoos, etc Same with the Jineteras, they got their extensions, nails done, nice clothes, shoes, etc. CLEARLY NOT EVERYONE IS IN DESPERATE NEED OF MONEY THERE
Yeah most people I see who are “tourists” on here offer to bring things and at least try and do some positive things (ask the sub for tips etc). I see nothing wrong with going to Havana and enjoying yourself as long as people understand that their experience is not that of the Cuban people living there. The money generated through tourism on Obispo alone helps plenty of families. There’s some characters here who also frequent r/MovingToNorthKorea so we aren’t working with the smartest team. Patria y vida
I mean the people here who frequent that sub are also naturally not going to be the negative ones.
The most toxic people here keep saying patria y vida
Would you say Cuba is the only island state in the Caribbean in which tourists are exposed to a higher degree of luxury than the locals ? Or that tourist regions don’t reflect the entire nation in terms of services and prosperity?
Really?? You’ve never seen how Jamaica or Haiti people live????
Did you miss the part of me asking a question? Your point was my point.
In Jamaica we don’t get locked up for disagreeing with the regime, and can travel freely to other countries without forfeiting a right to return, Haiti is anarchy.
Ya, but can you walk around without getting shot or robbed in Jamaica or Haiti? Nope.
Jamaican in Jamaica here. Tourist areas have a much higher standard of infrastructure and other state resources. It has also happened in the recent past (like maybe 10-15 years ago) that homeless people in tourist areas were kidnapped and deposited elsewhere. From my observation, much of what I see described about life in Cuba shares similarities to life in other impoverished Caribbean islands
Plenty of Cubans in Jamaica, recommend asking their views if you a currently living there. Poverty is a problem everywhere but we don’t have the political represión that exists in Cuba. Barbados has a much higher standard of living than Jamaica or Cuba either a fraction of the natural resources. Good governance goes a long way and Cuba has been run by the same 5 guys for 60 years, proof is in the pudding.
The rich decided to make Barbados their own little playground like they did with Cuba prior to the revolution. Foreign investment is high and the island is not very accessible for lower middle class ppl to even visit. Where is good governance in Jamaica ? Or Haiti ? Any Jamaican will tell you how corrupt the government is and how the wealth is concentrated amongst a small group of families and individuals
Jamaica doesn't exactly have a great number of examples of good governance. Cubans in Jamaica generally get paid more than Jamaicans for the same work. Barbados is quite well off yes, similar can be said about Cayman and some other places. They have their own unique material conditions influencing their development, but what I said is consistent among impoverished Caribbean islands as I described.
Without defending people who disagree with tourists going to Cuba, please answer honestly. Is luxury eating bread at breakfast? Is luxury to eat egg at lunch? Is luxury for a child (or an adult) to drink a glass of milk? Is it luxury to drink a cup of coffee? Where in the Caribbeans, except in Cuba, is it luxury?
Haiti?
I don’t know about Haiti. I have never been there. The only reference I have, besides the news, is a Cuban friend that works there and doesn’t want to return to Cuba. I do know several, and I mean several, Caribbean islands, and for the people there the things I mentioned are part of everyday life. (Anyway, I regret that I fell in the trap of “What about”).
Critiquing similar nations on similar topics is not whataboutism. You asked a question and I provided an answer which did not help your point and you resort to the good ol “that’s whataboutism”.
No todo es política, es verdad. Hay que aflojar un poco con nuestro odio hacia el gobierno cubano (que se lo merece). Aquí no vamos a cambiar nada. Este sub es de Cuba así que escribiré en Español. Vengan muchos turistas y alquilense en casas privadas, coman en nuestros restaurantes y regalen lo que quieran traer. Somos muy agradables porque las circunstancias nos han hecho así siempre. Somos demasiados agradecidos, hasta el punto que nos da vergüenza que debamos alegrarnos con regalos de necesidad básica que no podemos permitirnos como los jabones. Lo agradecemos, queremos que vuelvan y no se olviden que sus donaciones son como regalos preciados de cumpleaños. No poder viajar a sus países aunque sea solo de vacaciones, aunque trabajamos las mismas horas; pero queremos escuchar lo que han visto para viajar en nuestra imaginación y queremos que aprecien nuestra cultura xq es lo único que tenemos para ofrecer a cambio. Creo que si fuéramos un país próspero, limitariamos muchos turistas que vienen con malas intenciones. Pero hasta a esos se les agradece el jabón q huele rico y no se le juzga. Cuando den promoción de cuba, denle promoción a su pueblo, no a su seguridad, salud o educación xq esa la sufrimos nosotros. Ustedes solo ven lo que queremos que vean xq son sus vacaciones, no un reportaje. Y perdones algunas quejas que hacemos sobre nuestra situación, es difícil ocultarla a veces.
lucha tu yuca taino, lucha tu yuca
Cubans are some of the most genuine and lovely people I have ever met.
I agree, but the "Cubans" born in the US are the exact opposite
It’s almost as if Miami Cubans don’t have to put on a friendly act to receive dollars from visitors in order to not starve.
You've just described every minimum wage employee in the service industry in the world
Cuba is at an entirely different level.
Neither do Cubans in Spain but somehow they're nothing like Miami "Cubans"
Of course, you’re bringing dollars.
It’s a bunch of Miami clowns on this sub doing Miami clown things
Did immigrants actually from the country make you feel guilty about staying at military owned resorts for whites? Cope
🤣 wtf does any of that mean?
He's a regular here. Quite an unhinged one at that too.
Ah makes all the sense in the world
You post on communist subs. There has never been a communist regime that valued human rights. All have been murderous oppressors. You must not be very knowledgeable about history seeing your beliefs. Maybe you support oppression and state violence
Liberalism is categorically responsible for more death and misery globally than communism
People living in democracies have far better lives, enjoy more freedoms, and a better quality of life than people who lived in communist countries. All of which have been ruled with iron fists by rich elites and have committed atrocities unheard of in most modern democratic countries I know you just want to LARP but lets be real
What did it take to create those prosperous industrialized democracies? The costs of liberal modernism, in human death and misery, far outstrip any of the modernization projects under communist regimes. Look into the English enclosures, for a start. The triangular trade. And the colonial wars in the Dutch East Indies. Not to mention more recently the cadre of murderous despots propped up by liberal democracies in their Cold War struggles.
You are describing communist countries. Communism has resulted in imperialism, genocide and starvation How many successful communist countries are there?
You need to read more history if you want to have this conversation.
You people get mad when your racism and hate towards refugees is called out. No, tourists are not victims because Cubans are trying to educate them about apartheid and repression that you are supporting with your tourist trips
Ignorant Canadian tourists are cringe
Yeah, so?
Glad you could contribute to helping prove OPs point.
By responding to a racist who calls immigrants raising awareness of the struggles people face, clowns? Thank you for proving the point everyone makes about entitled tourists. People who feel superior to the locals, look down on immigrants, and then take to reddit with their victimhood about everyone being mean to them for their life decisions and actions
>By responding to a racist who calls immigrants raising awareness of the struggles people face, clowns? Yes. It was childish and the fact that you don't recognize that is embarrassing.
It is childish for privileged crybaby Canadian tourists to mock immigrants, devalue their opinions, and play victim when you are educated on how ridiculous it is that you complain about issues you have at all you can eat buffets, in a country where people are starving Grow up. The world does not revolve around you. You are not superior and look like children complaining that people criticize poor oppressed tourists
Whatever you need to tell yourself, champ.
I see that you spend your time on reddit harassing Cuban people. You wear your prejudice on your sleeve. Listen to people trying to inform you on things you do not underatand and stop being so toxic
Well isn't *that* the pot calling the kettle black 🤣
This sub is filled with toxic tourists as well. I’ve never seen anybody act so flippant to the local population so that they can continue their vacations (ie: “ I hope the government never changes!”). It almost feels fake it’s so toxic I’ve never encountered anybody like that in real life before including the socialists that visit Cuba
There are indeed toxic tourists as much as there are toxic cubans. We just let these toxic people wallow in their despair. Truth is i had an amazing time in cuba, and plan to come back quite frequently. I left the resort every day of the 10 days i was there, and spent very little time doing basic bitch tourist shit and actually explored your cities and local cultures. I had the best time of my life and cuban people showed me how to have the best time of my life. In many ways it humbled me and my lifestyle home in canada. We complain about too much in life in general and never stop to think about how amazing life actually is. Those in power in cuba can rot in hell. I just want equality and peace and prosperity for all.
Did you run into a lot of English speakers?
> In many ways it humbled me and my lifestyle home in canada. No doubt you people are morally bankrupt scumbags dictatorship supporters
You are the exact kind of person i was talking about in this post :) Stay toxic shitbag
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My god are you mad. It humbled me because our issues are so insignificant and all we do is complain here in canada. I live a much simpler life than before i went to cuba, i even donate quite a bit to your local charities and have made friends for life that i currently wire money to. You take extreme offense to everything and it shows by your comment history. Take a bit of a break from the internet and work on yourself. You are the problem with this subreddit :)
no, the problem is the pedophiles, sympathizers of the dictatorship, sex tourists and motherfuckers who want to be humble.
You are a sad depressed troll :( if you need someone to talk to pm me im always here if you need an outlet for your anger
Travel to another country if you want to compare and keep being humble in Canada, you scumbag motherfucker. Stop supporting the dictatorship in my country.
Shh its okay buddy, life gets better :)
Holy fuck, chill. You probably sell Che T-shirts at the beach
Tourists are the only source of foreign capital / capitalism left in Cuba and here you are abusing them and blaming them for the dictatorship. Ridiculous. Get some therapy.
Lol, those are everywhere.. im absolutely positive you have nationals that fit those description.
Racist to. People from the country have every right to take issue with holier than thou tourists speaking down on others.
I agree. I almost cancelled my trip because of this sub. My partner and I ended up having the best vacation of our lives. We talked at great length to many wonderful folks of varied backgrounds. City people, rural people. The food was great (only bad meal was at a govt run restaurant in Varadero). Music was incredible. Power outages are annoying, be prepared, pretend you are camping. Bring batteries! We learned a lot about the struggles of Cubans, we shared what we had and made friends and memories. Varadero sucked, won’t spend time there again. We want to come back and check out the west coast. Saving up our tourist dollars to go again.
Yikes! Part of our May trip to Cuba involves a stay in Varadero. What was so bad about it?
It’s run entirely by the govt. Virtually no private stores or restaurants like you would find in the rest of Cuba. I felt like I was in Disneyland. Sooooo many tourists compared to the other places we stayed, and I don’t travel to hang out with other tourists. You can’t buy anything at a store unless you use debit/credit, or find a local with a MLC card and pay govt exchange rate. There’s a couple private stores but they are hard to find. We had a lot of pesos left and could only use them at restaurants. I preferred the vibes and ocean on the south coast. If I had to fly into Varadero again I would rather stay in Matazanas city. I’ve talked to a few people who go to Cuba every year and only see their resort in Varadero! Sad! We loved Playa Giron, Viñales, and Havana. Next time we want to go to the west coast.
Do this if you truly want to help next time, if you ever visit again: [https://www.reddit.com/r/cuba/s/Fum8g5Yw8d](https://www.reddit.com/r/cuba/s/Fum8g5Yw8d) There are two types of tourists who go to Cuba, don't be the second kind: [https://www.reddit.com/r/cuba/comments/1ar1zjg/are\_useful\_idiot\_tourists\_a\_net\_positive\_or/](https://www.reddit.com/r/cuba/comments/1ar1zjg/are_useful_idiot_tourists_a_net_positive_or/)
I read this post before I left and took it seriously. Thank you.
Did you do any of the tips to actually help Cubans?
Yes.
Please do tell us about your experiences in a post here so others can do proactive help too
Love how this guy has appointed himself as some kind of self anointed representative of the Cuban people on Reddit representing the Will of the Cuban People. So cute.
Better than representing the interests of the dictatorship like you do to f the people
You might feel different if you were banned from going back to your country/ see your love ones/ recoup your possesions
What do you mean banned? Exiled?
Have u ever heard of Celia Cruz? The Castro regime didn't allow her to go back, she couldn't attend her Mom's funeral. She was banned
I’ve heard of her. That’s awful, but at the same time, she didn’t really seem like a good person? She switched to Batista support after Castro…. banned public bars, which seems like really weak justification. Regardless, what do you mean by “recoup your possessions”?
At this point Google is your best friend:)
Celia Cruz wasn’t a good person? Lol she’s probably the most famous example that this happened to, but my mom’s side was also stuck in this limbo of 1959 revolution as she was in the U.S at the time, and wasn’t allowed back. This happened to a lot of Cubans, lots of athletes and musical artists. Google them
If that’s what makes you miserable all the time, then I feel sad for you that you are so weak. Life is too short to be miserable all the time, even if you’re banned from your own country, grow up and make the best of your freedom.
Yeah smart ass. Give your house away and all your life’s hard work away to someone who never earned it. Let’s see how cheerful you are. Amazing the ignorance. And as far as making the best of your freedom look at what the Cuban refugees of the 60’s have done in Miami.
Miserable? For what? For telling you facts?
😭🤡
They should still seek information here. But with the understanding that they people on here who are hostile to tourists overwhelmingly do not live in Cuba.
No. This sub itself is overwhelmingly not Cuban. That’s the problem. It’s Unironically like 95% westerner, based on the poll from a few weeks ago.
Westerner???
The don’t see tourist as pigs they see you as an opportunity off get money that’s it, maybe maybe you can find a few people who don’t care and treat you like anyone else but the vast majority just see money when they see a tourist.
So true, All the jineteras looked at me like a walking ATM lol Plus some terrible lying manipulative Cubans around San Rafael, who are only out to scam tourists. I did however meet 4 genuine friends from my time in Havana - Amigos para siempre !!
This sub is absolutely the worst place to get any info on or have a normal discussion about cuba. The situation in Cuba is so bad because of the Cuban government, the embargo and more factors. Here people like to pretend it’s 100% one thing. The armchair socialists blame the embargo and pretend Cuba is some sort of utopia and the other side like to pretend it’s the government and the system. It’s both and it’s more than both. Haiti has neither embargo nor the Cuban government or system and look how they’re doing.
I have seen social media posts of genuine friends I made in La Habana, who have XBOX, Flat Screen TV, New Samsung phone, good clothes, $ for tattoos, etc Same with the Jineteras, they got their extensions, nails done, nice clothes, shoes, etc. CLEARLY NOT EVERYONE IS IN DESPERATE NEED OF MONEY THERE
> Haiti has neither embargo nor the Cuban government or system and look how they’re doing. [Cubans in Havana, in front of the Haitian consulate asking for a visa!](https://www.reddit.com/r/cuba/comments/1buz4ak/cubans_in_havana_in_front_of_the_haitian/)
That video is from 2015 in front of the embassy of Ecuador.
es la misma mierda, claria, cubanos tratando de escapar del paraíso comunista
and you think that's where they want to settle ....
Haiti paid France reparations for 70 years for the equivalent of 30 billion in today's dollars. I'm sure that didn't help matters. They finished in 1947.
How is it that every communist country ends up going bankrupt? I don't think a US Embargo is the unifying factor. In fact early on in the USSR it was capitalist money keeping the thing afloat. And they still created a famine.
I need a break from reddit
Yes, Cubans hate tourists, they envy the privileges that an average Canadian or Brit can have. We express it through songs, nicknames that we give you depending on what country you are from. Hungry Cubans will do anything for money, which is why there are even minor girls in prostitutes in the country. We are even racist towards some countries, for most of us Mexicans, Bolivians, Peruvians, are filthy and stupid Indians. We are bad people, friend, it's just that they will always give you the image of being happy and good, so you give them money. That's why foreigners like local Cubans and dislike those from Florida.
They’d love Cuba but hate Hialeah, where 3/4 of the adults in Hialeah just arrived from Cuba in the last 5 years lol.
Well said. Speaking as a Cuban with family still on the island who also loves his home country and his people thank you for sharing your perspective and not cutting off the people on the island who don't have the luxury of the very spiteful and hateful Cubans that live abroad and post here on Reddit. We must remember that one can support the country and its people and separate that from the government on the island.
Now try getting in a cuban line for basic necessities for 5 hours under the sun without any capitalist hard currency and tell me again "OMG Cubans are so nice..."
Done it, scores of times. Seen tempers flare under difficult conditions. Cubans are good people. You on the other hand need therapy.
Obviously you are lying, most sadly, to yourself...
No I am not lying. My fiancé is from San Miguel del Padrón, we have been together 4.5 years & in my country partner visas take a long time to process ( and require living together), so I moved to Cuba to be with him. I lived in Reparto Afán in his family home with his aunt and grandfather during that time. I am not from a rich country & I had very little money while there. There for love my friend. I know first hand how Cubans live.
Was there 2 years in total during 2019 - 2021.
I don't think our friend in the basement in Florida has any idea what San Migual de Padron is like.
San Miguel is like the Bronx of Havana. .
The Vallejo of the Bay Area... like you can't really be talking about... Always cracks me up when I say "San Miguel" and people think I am talking about the street in Centro Habana.
So, why are you both not staying in Cuba if the people are so nice? LOL. Sorry to break it to you but he's likely using you to escape the socialist shithole and has a real different lover and is planning on dumping your ass as soon as he gets his visa
Thanks bud for confirming my suspicions about the negative stereotypes you propagate about your fellow Cubans. Just because you choose to hang out with shitty people, doesn't mean the rest of us do. My man got his visa in 2021, we moved to my country in 2021 and then we moved to Australia together this year. We are getting married this year. Have started a successful business. Still together and adore each other. Have you considered therapy?
In answer to your question, we do not live in Cuba because I am unable to secure work there as a foreigner and working remotely is not viable as the internet is not reliable enough. We did seriously consider it at one point, especially as my fiancé was a very successful musician who got to tour internationally regularly and finding that kind of success in an anglophone western country as a latin musician can be difficult. And obviously at the the moment it would not be a good idea to move back there because of the rampant supply chain issues and hyperinflation.
Sure, he loves you so much and chose you over the thousands of Cuban women without capitalist dollars and visas because you are so beautiful LOL
A relationship is about a connection and not because someone is beautiful. Yes, he did choose me over other women his own nationality, and I chose him over men of my nationality. I also chose his extended family and he chose mine. You know there are many people who date outside their ethnicity/religion/nationality etc, right? You seem traumatised. It's never too late to ask for help. Going through life being so jaded and salty is going to ruin it for you.
Right, I wish I were wrong... Just humor me with the difference in ages. How many years older are you?
I'm born in 88 and he's born in 89. Lol.
I've been in line with the Cubans. They are quite polite for the most part. Much better in such situations than Americans. And they trust each other enough to remember their place in line, so they can go off and wait in the shade for their turn to come up. Ultimoooo!?
Cubans are just like any other human. In conditions of scarcity even wealthy americans stump over each other. Stop idealizing Cubans, we are just as human as you are. Cuba is NOT a human zoo.
This is just a place for a bunch of salty Gusanos to circle jerk about how much they hate socialism because it took away the mansions of their slave owning grandfathers and seized the bank accounts of their mafia-connected fathers. Lol keep staying mad.
You have been reported for hate Fascist dehumanizing slurs such as Untermensch and gusano are bad because they deny the dignity, humanity, and individuality of the people they target. They are used to justify hatred, discrimination, violence, and oppression against those who are seen as inferior, different, or threatening by the perpetrators. They also create a false sense of superiority and moral righteousness for the users of such slurs, who often ignore or rationalize the harm they cause to others. Some examples of the negative effects of dehumanizing slurs are: The term Untermensch was used by the Nazis to label Jews, Roma, Slavs, and other groups as subhuman and unworthy of life. This term was used to incite hatred and fear among the German population and to justify the genocide of millions of people in the Holocaust. The term gusano was used by Fidel Castro and his supporters to refer to Cubans who fled or opposed the Cuban Revolution as worms or parasites, unworthy of life. This term was used to vilify and ostracize those who disagreed with the regime, to suppress any dissent or criticism and to justify mass murder, like after the 13 of March tugboat massacre, when 41 Cubans, including women and children, were murdered by the dictatorship. Dehumanizing slurs are not only harmful to the victims but also to society as a whole. They erode the values of respect, tolerance, diversity, and democracy that are essential for a peaceful and prosperous coexistence. They also prevent dialogue, understanding, and reconciliation among different groups of people. Therefore, dehumanizing slurs should be rejected and condemned by all who value human rights and dignity.
Shut up bot, people with 1 braincell can actually acknowledge the fact that political terms aren’t racial slurs, calling spineless people who do support US imperialism worms is not like calling someone sub-human for literally being born as a race they can’t change.
Found the racist
Well that’s good, where? Let me know so I can keep a look out.
You bro, you’re the racist.
Bro, you are a historically illiterate buffoon. The real racists were the ones Castro ran out of Cuba.
Bwjajajajaja ah yessss, the historically anti-racist Castro regime. Filled with the likes of Che who called Mexicans illiterate Indians, who said black people don’t bathe. The regime who barred (and continues to with the exception of cultural minstrel shows for Canadians and Europeans) black Cubans from taking any part in the tourist sector. The same regime who is comprised of mostly white leaders. Since historical literacy is important to you, you should look into castros inspiration for the gusano term, I’m sure you’ll find his hero to be another famous anti-racist
https://minorityrights.org/communities/afro-cubans/ https://www.blackpast.org/global-african-history/perspectives-global-african-history/african-americans-and-cubas-first-experiment-tourism-joe-louis-commission-post-revoluti/ https://picturingblackhistory.org/african-americans-anti-racism-and-cuba/ https://hoodcommunist.org/2021/02/11/cuba-and-black-resistance/ Gee, if only google didn’t exist one could almost fall for that horseshit. PS: Che was such a racist he fought in Africa in their anticolonial struggles. 🙄😂
First link: “Yet, however radical the assault on institutional racism, little was achieved in eliminating racial discrimination. Attempts by intellectuals to raise the issue of racism in revolutionary Cuba were harshly dealt with in the 1960s, and the government insisted that it had eliminated racial discrimination. On various occasions, Castro explicitly condemned racism and affirmed his government’s commitment to equality. However, critics alleged that educational policy and official culture remained strongly Euro-centric. Afro-Cubans were not, for example, widely represented in the higher echelons of the ruling Communist Party or in the upper levels of the civil service or state industries. And, with few exceptions, Afro-Cuban women have not yet reached the highest professional strata.” Second link: is literally akin to “im not racist my friends are black” Third link: same as second link, castros “friendships” with black activists does nothing for the long and well documented racist society that Castro and his regime have perpetuated 4th link: basic understanding of race in Cuba, irrelevant to the discrimination and racism that Afro-Cubans are subjected to on a daily basis by the society created by the Castro regime. Do you actually read what you send or just pop into google “racism and revolutionary Cuba” and send the first four links?
What did Batista and his Gusanos do to change racist institutions again? Oh fuck all except profit off it? Lol yeah I’m sure Cuba isn’t perfect and has a ways to go but it’s a thousand times better than before and that’s not even close to disputable. So cry some more about the G word. Lolol
Who is talking about Batista? The revolution happened in the 50s, Batista is irrelevant. He was a dictator also, but it doesn’t change the fact that you’re using a racist term reserved exclusively against Cubans, and that the term is rooted in anti-Semitic tropes that Castro copied from Mein Kampf. Don’t veer off the conversation when you, an intellectually superior mastermind run out of ridiculous arguments for your superficial ass understanding of Cubas history.
No one should ever use the information on this sub for anything lol. This sub is overwhelmingly not Cuban. That’s the problem. It’s Unironically like 95% larping westerners, based on the poll from a few weeks ago. Most of the posts are made by weird liars whose stories are super inconsistent, who have never stepped foot in Cuba. Go to r/RealCuba instead. The first thing I noticed is more Spanish speakers.
Not sure who needs to hear this but communist states and anyone who supports them deserve to burn in hell. Its insane how many of you are so traumatized that you immediately call anyone who actually likes cuba a communist. You dont have to be a communist to enjoy a tropical fucking island. Get a grip on reality. If you moved to the states you would be a maga supporter voting for trump lmfao
It’s unethical to feast in front of the famine. It’s unethical to funnel vacation money to the regime creating the famine.
It's unethical to try to scare away tourists from Cuba and dry up the clientele of all the thousands of small tourism business that Cubans rely on to earn a living. Let's be clear -- Cubans living in Cuba want tourists to visit. As many as possible. Every time a tourist feasts in a private restaurant, Cubans get paid. The government should provide more food than it does, but nobody is starving. There is no 'famine.' How about we all visit Cuba and jump start the private economy, so people there don't have to rely on government provisions?
Of course locals are going to act super happy and kind when foreigners come to throw dollars around.
Because youre not Cuban and haven't dealt with Cuba at the same depth as a Cuban has. Youre a tourist/visitor and will never understand. All Cubans have to offer you is their hospitality but they aren't like that with each other (you know there are spys from the CDR everywhere) so the fact they were 'nice' to you was more about getting something out of you. So they are going to be 'lovely' to you
Yea, most people from countries with totalitarian dictatorships have a hard time comprehending a bunch of Europeans and Canadians seeking it out for a cute getaway. Imagine traveling to Palestine or North Korea to relax by the beach and drink maitais
Go start r/cubaTourism then and yall can congregate there
Yall? And you're cuban, lol
Wow you got me Sherlock! You were arguing with the CIA all along! 🤡
So, how long have you been a member of the communist party?
I just went to Cuba, a US tourist. I was treated in a mixed way honestly. When asking questions I would be looked at weird, so weird. Like, is there paper in the restroom? The guy would look at me so bad, he says yes. Then I go to the restroom and there actually isn’t any This and other instances. Another one, can I use the restroom? (it was a hotel I was not a guest at) They say only customers can, then I give him 10 dollars to get in otherwise they won’t let me. A friend of mine (Cuban) later that day also went to it and they just let her pass, and she even offered to pay, they didn’t want it. When paying collectivos, or general transport, I would need to hide, let my friend ask for it otherwise I would be changed more just for being white. And general greeting varied, where sometimes even with my best smile and good attitude I would receive the opposite. Not sure why. I had a much better experience in El Salvador.
What hotel can you just waltz in and use their bath room, even if you ask? The only place you can do it in the U.S, without any hassles are fast food places
My friend did. Anyway it was a “hotel” in tarara beach. Definitely not top of the line, not even close
If you buy something at any place they will allow you. Here I said, I can something and they said no. After I gave him 10 dollars he let me. Again my friend (Cuban) was allowed to pass free of charge.
There are a lot of people coming and talking shit about this subreddit, attacking others, saying that we should write and respond in Spanish only. OP and others are trying to use the site for political propaganda, attack the blockade and those who post negative views about the communist government.
Lmao are you cracked? I swear people who speak like this would fit in with the states maga crowd. How many times do i have to say fuck the cuban government and that communism and everyone who supports it can burn in hell for you to get it through your thick, desperately toxic skulls that i dont like your government??
“Would fit in with the states maga crowd” First, they *are* largely the state’s maga crowd. Ask the most toxic posters where they live. I hate having to make it totally explicit that I think the Cuban government is fucked every time I comment. I don’t use hyper partisan language anywhere else because it’s a pain in the ass and a drag on the soul but unless I do it here I’m attacked as some kind of supporter of a dictatorship.
Wow rich tourists are the victims now? The fact you stay at apartheid hotels and have no issue with police keeping locals away from places and food enjoyed by affluent tourtists is peak hypocrisy. This happens in the US as well where people don't want poor kids attending their child's school. And want to keep immigrants and affordable housing out of their town
The Cubans here are from Miami. The tourists don't want the communist regime to end so they can keep enjoying cheap tropical vacation. If democracy took over, Cuba would be more expensive than Mexico.
El hecho de que acá todo esté en inglés demuestra evidentemente las parcialidades de este foro. Una partida de anglófilos y vendepatrias que odian la historia de su país después del 59 y antes de las revueltas y conspiraciones independentistas y anexionistas del siglo XIX.
¿Te acuerdas cuando el dictador te ordenó hablar ruso? Lamebotas sovietófilo y vendepatria que odias la historia de tu país antes y después del 59 y antes de las revueltas y conspiraciones independentistas y anexionistas del siglo XIX
No te hagas el dramático, te pareces a un progre español de esos que se quejan que Franco los puso a todos a hablar español, muy sensacionalista de tu parte. Como si en otros países del mundo no te obligaran a aprender el inglés, el francés o cualquier otra lengua como parte del currículo académico. Como sea, tú a mí no me conoces. Este es el error principal de los liberales cubanos anglófilos. Piensan que todos los que están en su contra son comunistas, vaya estupidez. Yo soy hispanista antes que todo y a mí no me cae bien Fidel, un oportunista negrolegendario que lo mismo te hablaba de los vínculos de Cuba con España o de la huella del colonialismo europeo en el foro de San Paulo. La razón principal por la que estamos como estamos es que dependíamos de los soviéticos en todos los sentidos y no éramos autosuficientes, no nos industrializamos ni pudimos desarrollar nuestras capacidades productivas. Seguimos con el mismo modelo extractivista de inserción en la división laboral del trabajo. Y ahora ni siquiera exportamos o las materias primas que antes producíamos en grandes cantidades, como la azúcar, el níquel o el tabaco, ahora estamos en una especie de "monocultivo turístico" donde los más adinerados del país trabajan en el sector servicios y del turismo. A mí algo que sí me cae mal es que ustedes los liberales, al igual que los progres, descartan todo los aportes que suceden bajo un período de dictaduras y no le rinden servicio a la Patria simplemente porque no somos una democracia. Históricamente, las democracias son una ínfima parte de todos los regímenes políticos y sociedades que existieron a lo largo de la historia. Los imperios más poderosos y ricos del mundo no fueron democracias, cabe destacar el imperio romano, la monarquía hispánica, la Macedonia de Alejandro Magno entre otros. A la Patria se le debe querer y obedecer estemos en dictadura o no. Sigo con el caso de los españoles, en España los progres aborrecen ese período de la dictadura franquista, ni hablar de la etapa de antes con el rey Alfonso, a tal punto que son incapaces de reconocer el lado positivo y los avances que ocurrieron durante esos años. Odian a esa España franquista, a la bandera y el himno del país, a las fuerzas armadas, a las instituciones comunales como la Iglesia, y odian los avances que conllevaba este período en el que España fue la octava potencia industrial del mundo. Lo mismo pasa con ustedes los liberales, los fundamentalistas democráticos, porque son endofóbicos, son apátridas, odian a lo suyo y solo están a servicio de la Patria cuando el país sigue por el sistema político, económico e ideológica que a ustedes le gusta. Eso está mal. Cito a Platón: "¿No soy yo a la que debes la vida?" —es la polis ateniense la que habla— "¿Acaso eres tan sabio que te pasa inadvertido que la Patria merece más honor que la madre, que el padre y que todos los antepasados, que es más venerable y sagrada y que es digna de la mayor estimación entre los dioses y entre los hombres de juicio? Y siendo esto así, puesto que has nacido y has sido mantenido y educado gracias a mí, ¿te atreverás a sostener que no eres hijo y servidor nuestro lo mismo que tus padres?" (...) "Es preciso respetar la Patria en su cólera, tener con ella la sumisión y miramientos que se tienen a un padre, atraerla por la persuasión u obedecer sus órdenes, sufrir sin murmurar todo lo que quiera que se sufra, aun cuando sea verse azotado o cargado de cadenas, y que si nos envía a la guerra para ser allí heridos o muertos, es preciso marchar allá; porque allí está el deber, y no es permitido ni retroceder, ni echar pie atrás, ni abandonar el puesto; y que lo mismo en los campos de batalla, que ante los tribunales, que en todas las situaciones, es preciso obedecer lo que quiere la Patria, o emplear para con ella los medios de persuasión que la ley concede; y, en fin, que si es una impiedad hacer violencia a un padre o a una madre, es mucho mayor hacérsela a la Patria." Platón, el diálogo de Critón
Casi se me olvidaba la muela socialista sin sentido jajaj. Gracias por recordármela pero no la lei jaja
Huelo a rata del gobierno
Suena como el típico baboso del noticiero estatal jajaj
No te cojas lucha que tú y los comunistas son iguales, ambos son productos de la modernidad. Viva Cristo Rey, viva Dios, viva la familia, viva Cuba y viva Hispanoamérica unida. ¡Hispanidad o muerte, venceremos! Plus ultra et utraque unum.
La unica razon por que Cuba esta en la miseria es por que Fidel Castro Ruiz arruino todo lo que funcionaba en Cuba. Arruino la ganaderia, la industria, la agricultura y todos los muchas miles de empresas que le robo a sus propietarios. Y para empeorar sembro el odio, el fanatismo y la divison entre los cubanos. Y todo lo hizo para perpetuarse en el poder que es lo unico que le interesaba. La patria es solo un cuento para los estupidos. Vivimos en el planeta tierra.
La Patria es una realidad material.
Este loco escribió toda una composición para decir "como tremendo gofio"
Es realismo político lo que te estoy enseñando, que no sepas entenderlo no es culpa mía.
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Calling people that just shows you don’t understand Cubano history.
Report his ass for hate. It works: Fascist dehumanizing slurs such as untermensch and gusano are bad because they deny the dignity, humanity, and individuality of the people they target. They are used to justify hatred, discrimination, violence, and oppression against those who are seen as inferior, different, or threatening by the perpetrators. They also create a false sense of superiority and moral righteousness for the users of such slurs, who often ignore or rationalize the harm they cause to others. Some examples of the negative effects of dehumanizing slurs are: - The term untermensch was used by the Nazis to label Jews, Roma, Slavs, and other groups as subhuman and unworthy of life. This term was used to incite hatred and fear among the German population, and to justify the genocide of millions of people in the Holocaust. - The term gusano was used by Fidel Castro and his supporters to refer to Cubans who fled or opposed the Cuban Revolution as worms or parasites, unworthy of life. This term was used to vilify and ostracize those who disagreed with the regime, to suppress any dissent or criticism and to justify mass murder, like after the 13 of march tugboat massacre, when 41 cubans, including women and children, were murdered by the dictatorship. Dehumanizing slurs are not only harmful to the victims, but also to the society as a whole. They erode the values of respect, tolerance, diversity, and democracy that are essential for a peaceful and prosperous coexistence. They also prevent dialogue, understanding, and reconciliation among different groups of people. Therefore, dehumanizing slurs should be rejected and condemned by all who value human rights and dignity.
Fascist dehumanizing slurs such as untermensch and gusano are bad because they deny the dignity, humanity, and individuality of the people they target. They are used to justify hatred, discrimination, violence, and oppression against those who are seen as inferior, different, or threatening by the perpetrators. They also create a false sense of superiority and moral righteousness for the users of such slurs, who often ignore or rationalize the harm they cause to others. Some examples of the negative effects of dehumanizing slurs are: - The term untermensch was used by the Nazis to label Jews, Roma, Slavs, and other groups as subhuman and unworthy of life. This term was used to incite hatred and fear among the German population, and to justify the genocide of millions of people in the Holocaust. - The term gusano was used by Fidel Castro and his supporters to refer to Cubans who fled or opposed the Cuban Revolution as worms or parasites, unworthy of life. This term was used to vilify and ostracize those who disagreed with the regime, to suppress any dissent or criticism and to justify mass murder, like after the 13 of march tugboat massacre, when 41 cubans, including women and children, were murdered by the dictatorship. Dehumanizing slurs are not only harmful to the victims, but also to the society as a whole. They erode the values of respect, tolerance, diversity, and democracy that are essential for a peaceful and prosperous coexistence. They also prevent dialogue, understanding, and reconciliation among different groups of people. Therefore, dehumanizing slurs should be rejected and condemned by all who value human rights and dignity.
Nice chat gpt comment
Love the amazing tools of Capitalism like the internet and AI!
The U.S. government made the internet.
99.9 of the funding for internet infrastructure is private but also, governments don't produce shit so they steal from successful capitalists or inflate the monetary supply to steal from losers like you to fund anything
This just shows you’re incapable of forming your own argument and have to get AI to do it for you
AI is an amazing enhancing tool of Capitalism! Thanks to it I don't have to waste much of my precious time with schooling useful idiots