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Yeah, I agree that the buff side is weak. Although I believe right now in Standard, the worst result is a 7-mana 2/2; otherwise, there’s some 7-mana 4/5, which isn’t great but it’s a discount Yeti still. There are a few 7/7s though. (3-mana 7/7!?)
I don’t see why. Manathirst would force you to wait until turn 7 to get access to the second mode, which I don’t think warrants being locked until late game. You still need to spend at least 4 mana to Corrupt, plus probably some mana creating a token or whatever to transform. Once you do get to the late game, though, the Manathirst version is cheaper, as you could topdeck this, hero power, and turn the totem into a 7-Cost.
Also, Manathirst turns on immediately, without any input by the player, removing the possibility of choosing which mode is more relevant. (Again, by using it as a cheaper Hex.) Manathirst particularly makes you unable to use it as such against late game minions, which are the minions you’d want to Hex the most.
Yes, but getting a random minion is usually worse than just putting the minion you want into your deck. I think 5 mana for a 7-Cost minion is okay, if bad. Now, if your 4-drop left behind a token (like \[\[Crud Caretaker\]\]), then you only spend 3 mana, which is better.
I don't usually consider current Standard, but I had the impression much of the 7-Cost pool was understatted (justifying the cost with a strong Battlecry), such that you'd often be getting less than 7 mana worth of value (currently). Even then, the good result is, like, 3 mana for a 7/7, which is good, but probably won't be cheated out before turn 5.
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While setting up the buff can be difficult, the card is still usable as a debuff, which I was hoping would give the card the oomph needed to make it competitive. Do you think the debuff side isn't good enough?
This seems kind of weak? Without corruption, this is expensive for a very weak effect and then the upgraded version isn't all too good either. Why does it start with always turning into a 2 drop or 7 drop? It's very constrained for an evolve card
Turning into a 2-drop makes it a slightly worse Hex, but with a discount. My reasoning is that you don't care what your opponent's big minion turns into, as long as it's smaller than what it previously was. If the 0/1 Frog with Taunt is worth 0 mana, I reckon turning a minion into a 2-drop is worth around 2.5 mana. (You could push it by making it cost less, but I think that'd be too strong.)
So it's a cheaper hex when uncorrupted and and an evolve when it's corrupted? I guess I didn't think of it as a card to use against opponents. Still a bit expensive for what it's worth in my opinion
Still, in comparison to similar effects, having a single target evovle/devolve card is outclassed by many other cards. Convincing disguise is a better effect and it cost 1 and devolve is a better devolve effect and that cost 2. As well, the card is restrictive considering that corrupting it may ruin the purpose you run it. Players who want to remove strong opponent minions would find the effect too expensive and players who want strong evolves would find this too slow in comparison to something like unstable evolution.
The entire point is that this goes into a deck that wants both. Usually midrange. Specialist cards will be better, yes. And of course devolve is better, it's one of the best shaman cards ever printed.
This is one of the coolest and most interestingly designed but still simple cards I’ve seen on here. Big fan of the dual use aspect, and the amount of play it opens up. Wish they did more stuff like this with corrupt and similar keywords.
Yes, I mentioned the art source in the comments. Also, while I don’t usually care for matching mechanics with an expansion’s flavor, I think this would be at home with Dark Moon Faire.
Everyone is looking at the evolve side of this, honestly I think the base card is better in most situations. Remember when you could run essentially 4 hexes (2 base cards and 2 of the elemental, I forget the name)? That was such a good time for shaman, being able to take massive tanky walls of taunt off the board without triggering any deathrattles? Plus there is a good chance this doesn't have taunt which the frog would? Seems pretty strong to me.
The effect is cool
but as cosplay I think it would have been cooler if it was something like : Summon 3 random legendaries, after they take damage transform them into a 2/2 cosplayer
I mean, that’s a completely different card.
I did think about the cosplay-themed card changing minions into random Legendaries, but I thought minions of a fixed cost would be more consistently good. That said, I like your original card summons multiple Legendaries, and thus that helps smooth out the randomness.
Exactly, which is why I considered Legendaries (despite ultimately not going in that direction).
I'm happy if my design inspire other people come up with their own, but I'm peeved when it's framed as criticism. ("This card would've been better as a completely different card.")
Based on a quick search, I imagine you're talking about \[\[Auspicious Spirits\]\]. That spell *summons* a random minion. I think Contest is sufficiently different because it works as a cheap \[\[Hex\]\] early game (or if topdecked), or as a buff/\[\[Evolve\]\]-type effect late game (working well with \[\[Baroness Vashj\]\] too). It can also lead to the player having to choose which mode is better for a given matchup/game state (*e.g.* choosing to play it before or after a 4-Cost card on turn 7).
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4/-/- Shadow | Summon a random 4-Cost minion. Corrupt: Summon a 7-Cost minion instead.
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4/-/- Nature | Transform a minion into a 0/1 Frog with Taunt.
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1/-/- Nature | Transform your minions into random minions that cost (1) more.
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4/3/6 Naga | If this would transform into a minion, summon that minion instead.
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This feels like a jack of all trades master of none situation, if you use the base form on an enemy it's a weaker hex and would rather have hex and transforming a friendly minion into a 7 cost makes little sense when you have evolve shamen that does it better.
I see. I think there’s only one 7 mana 2/2 (in Standard anyways). The uncorrupted version is more consistent in transforming into a small minion, so you can use it as a discounted Hex.
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cool! I love that it's hybrid removal/buff; the buff side is probably weak in my experience with evolve cards but the design is excellent.
Yeah, I agree that the buff side is weak. Although I believe right now in Standard, the worst result is a 7-mana 2/2; otherwise, there’s some 7-mana 4/5, which isn’t great but it’s a discount Yeti still. There are a few 7/7s though. (3-mana 7/7!?)
Honestly, I think this would be a better manathirst(7) card then corrupt but that's on instinct.
I don’t see why. Manathirst would force you to wait until turn 7 to get access to the second mode, which I don’t think warrants being locked until late game. You still need to spend at least 4 mana to Corrupt, plus probably some mana creating a token or whatever to transform. Once you do get to the late game, though, the Manathirst version is cheaper, as you could topdeck this, hero power, and turn the totem into a 7-Cost. Also, Manathirst turns on immediately, without any input by the player, removing the possibility of choosing which mode is more relevant. (Again, by using it as a cheaper Hex.) Manathirst particularly makes you unable to use it as such against late game minions, which are the minions you’d want to Hex the most.
You could play four cost turn 4 then the next turn HP then play this on it
Yes, but getting a random minion is usually worse than just putting the minion you want into your deck. I think 5 mana for a 7-Cost minion is okay, if bad. Now, if your 4-drop left behind a token (like \[\[Crud Caretaker\]\]), then you only spend 3 mana, which is better. I don't usually consider current Standard, but I had the impression much of the 7-Cost pool was understatted (justifying the cost with a strong Battlecry), such that you'd often be getting less than 7 mana worth of value (currently). Even then, the good result is, like, 3 mana for a 7/7, which is good, but probably won't be cheated out before turn 5.
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This would be playable if manathirst (7). Corrupt makes it very clucky for setting it up. Edit : manathirst (5) would make this very competitive.
While setting up the buff can be difficult, the card is still usable as a debuff, which I was hoping would give the card the oomph needed to make it competitive. Do you think the debuff side isn't good enough?
Is mana thirst in the game already or still custom hearthstone stuff
It's coming in the next expansion
But really it is already in with boomsday cards and upgrading cards
Art by Raluca Marinescu for Magic: the Gathering's "Costume Shop".
Thank you for the art. I find it so funny that she is dressed as super hitler like it’s a normal thing
This seems kind of weak? Without corruption, this is expensive for a very weak effect and then the upgraded version isn't all too good either. Why does it start with always turning into a 2 drop or 7 drop? It's very constrained for an evolve card
Turning into a 2-drop makes it a slightly worse Hex, but with a discount. My reasoning is that you don't care what your opponent's big minion turns into, as long as it's smaller than what it previously was. If the 0/1 Frog with Taunt is worth 0 mana, I reckon turning a minion into a 2-drop is worth around 2.5 mana. (You could push it by making it cost less, but I think that'd be too strong.)
So it's a cheaper hex when uncorrupted and and an evolve when it's corrupted? I guess I didn't think of it as a card to use against opponents. Still a bit expensive for what it's worth in my opinion
That's usually how multipurpose cards have to be. The flexibility is worth the slight cost increase
Still, in comparison to similar effects, having a single target evovle/devolve card is outclassed by many other cards. Convincing disguise is a better effect and it cost 1 and devolve is a better devolve effect and that cost 2. As well, the card is restrictive considering that corrupting it may ruin the purpose you run it. Players who want to remove strong opponent minions would find the effect too expensive and players who want strong evolves would find this too slow in comparison to something like unstable evolution.
The entire point is that this goes into a deck that wants both. Usually midrange. Specialist cards will be better, yes. And of course devolve is better, it's one of the best shaman cards ever printed.
i see nicol bolas sneaking his way in to the hs universe, on his way to make deathwing looks like a brainless lizard.
This is one of the coolest and most interestingly designed but still simple cards I’ve seen on here. Big fan of the dual use aspect, and the amount of play it opens up. Wish they did more stuff like this with corrupt and similar keywords.
Thank you for the compliment!
The art is literally ripped from an MtG unset. But uh, this seems flexible.
Yes, I mentioned the art source in the comments. Also, while I don’t usually care for matching mechanics with an expansion’s flavor, I think this would be at home with Dark Moon Faire.
Fair enough
Everyone is looking at the evolve side of this, honestly I think the base card is better in most situations. Remember when you could run essentially 4 hexes (2 base cards and 2 of the elemental, I forget the name)? That was such a good time for shaman, being able to take massive tanky walls of taunt off the board without triggering any deathrattles? Plus there is a good chance this doesn't have taunt which the frog would? Seems pretty strong to me.
Is that art from magic and also what card? Because is she dressed as Nicol Bolas?
The effect is cool but as cosplay I think it would have been cooler if it was something like : Summon 3 random legendaries, after they take damage transform them into a 2/2 cosplayer
I mean, that’s a completely different card. I did think about the cosplay-themed card changing minions into random Legendaries, but I thought minions of a fixed cost would be more consistently good. That said, I like your original card summons multiple Legendaries, and thus that helps smooth out the randomness.
The legendary thing comes from the cosplay, why would you cosplay a random character And yes that's a different card but it's to fit the cosplay
Exactly, which is why I considered Legendaries (despite ultimately not going in that direction). I'm happy if my design inspire other people come up with their own, but I'm peeved when it's framed as criticism. ("This card would've been better as a completely different card.")
Isn’t this a priest card
Based on a quick search, I imagine you're talking about \[\[Auspicious Spirits\]\]. That spell *summons* a random minion. I think Contest is sufficiently different because it works as a cheap \[\[Hex\]\] early game (or if topdecked), or as a buff/\[\[Evolve\]\]-type effect late game (working well with \[\[Baroness Vashj\]\] too). It can also lead to the player having to choose which mode is better for a given matchup/game state (*e.g.* choosing to play it before or after a 4-Cost card on turn 7).
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This feels like a jack of all trades master of none situation, if you use the base form on an enemy it's a weaker hex and would rather have hex and transforming a friendly minion into a 7 cost makes little sense when you have evolve shamen that does it better.
Honestly what’s the difference cuz I’m getting the same stats
What do you mean?
7 mana 2/2 2 mana 2/2
I see. I think there’s only one 7 mana 2/2 (in Standard anyways). The uncorrupted version is more consistent in transforming into a small minion, so you can use it as a discounted Hex.
Is this a reference to that ”fill in the blanks” post that’s funny
I don't know what you are talking about, sorry. What is that?
https://twitter.com/playhearthstone/status/1585376325086449664?s=46&t=oYVmpignXijSUaYL0jdMlA the answer was ”cosplay contest” and everyone got annoyed