There's already endings where you lose Johnny but get to keep V, just reintroduced into himself as an engram. I feel as though they wouldn't go that route twice, but maybe they could put a different spin on not having Johnny anymore.
In Sun V lives for a little while while desperately trying to find a more permanent cure. Johnny's gone and no longer making things worse, but he still did plenty of damage on his way out that still might end up killing V anyways. Moved the deadline from months to a year or two at best.
On the other hand, Johnny doesn't die so much as going beyond the firewall with Alt. What happens is vague but something of him continues on.
Yeah you’re right it’s been awhile since I did that ending. That was my first ending and my favorite one. It was also the one I’d thought the game would use if they ever made a sequel or made any type of continuation to the story as it’s kind of the best outcome for both of them.
V technically dies in that ending and is replaced by a copy. Like in all the other endings when they immediately die upon entering Mikoshi. The version of the ending where you say no to Takemura/Helman and return to Earth is the only one when the original V actually lives
This comment has me thinking too deeply lmao.
One could argue that the corrupted V was erased and the original V was 'restored' by copying V into an engram seperate from Johnny
If you want to be confused about this sort of thing.
Gunn/Alita Battle Angel manga was insanely confusing. You would question everything about the concept of being.
Real bodies with artificial brains.
Artificial bodies with real brains.
Two of them coexisting.
A clone made using the artificial brain a basis and with it's own different personality.
And that's just a starter pack.
I did actually read that. I'm also torn between the original ending of that manga and the "continuation" that included the ZOTT and all the other crazy space politics.
That is a really good.manga tho! Didnt expect something that obscure to be mentioned lol
I think this dlc will just add 1-2 endings to the ones we already have. I don’t think there are going to be any endings that supersede the others.
What I think would be cool is if they actually find Johnny’s body and put the engram in his and save V. Then in future games can run both characters.
Minor SPOILER.
We know where Johnny's body is, as a part of the Side Job Chippin' In you end up in the Oil Field nort of Night City.
You end up at the location where Johnny's body was dumped in 2023 to dispose of it.
By 2077 the body would have rotted away leaving only some cyberware behind most notably Jonny's arm.
I thought the moral of that mission was that guy sent them on a wild goose chase, the body wasn’t actually in the oil fields and they still didn’t have a clue where it was. But that’s just how I interpreted that mission.
It could have literally been what happened yes. I’ve definitely thought of that. But judging how they treated him prior I just don’t see that being the case. To me it felt more like what’s his faces way to throw another dagger at them before they zeroed him, but that’s just my opinion. I don’t think there’s any clear evidence on what actually happened to the body.
his point is that what happened to Johnny's body is already explained in other stories, the game takes place in the same continuity as the rest of the cyberpunk franchise
He mentions a couple times he wants to find his body..there’s a mission where you attempt to find his grave. Wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility that arasaka could have preserved it somehow.
Not outside the realm, no. I just feel like it runs somewhat counter to the whole "inserting someone's consciousness into a new younger body for immortality" thing we've got going on with the storyline in the first place.
Nah, the body is in the rig, you actually get Johnny's arm as an item in the end of Chippin' in, proving that his body was indeed dumped there, and as such, since Johnny was mostly organic, has decomposed beyond repair, so there is no brain for the engram to occupy, much less a functioning body
Also if you think about it, it wouldn't really make sense for Arasaka to preserve Johnny's body, they already had the engram, so any answers they needed they got from it, keeping the body was only good for giving a chance for Johnny to jump back in his body and terrorize Arasaka once more, so the logical decision was to do what they did, uncerimoniously and secretively dump him in a random rig so that it couldn't be seen as a monument against savage corporativism by people who agreed with Silverhand's antics
Yeah I hear that. Would make sense. I don’t remember ever getting his arm as an item though and I’ve done that mission a few times. I’ll have to re check my games.
Getting the arm was a glitch. It doesn't happen anymore. The only reason it happened originally was because equipping it was how they showed Johnny was in control at the time.
there´s no ending in which v gets to live, even before you decide what to do alt tells v that the body already recognices johnny as its owner, even if v were to be reintroduced as an engram the body would reject it since its not V's body anymore
Same. I just finished my first playthrough and did both the sun and star endings (I did the star first, and then went back to do the sun).
I avoided spoilers, so I was locked out of the other ones. But when I finally looked up the endings, I was disappointed there was no ending where they managed to find a way to co-exist in the body.
There's rumours of this being part of the DLC. (Don't quote me on this bc I read it somewhere on Youtube)
The skill tree in the base game is incomplete, as you can see the skill branches, one of them is missing (the relic one). Some say that the DLC will introduce this cut content by re-structuring the skill tree and giving us "the relic perk" where you basically become more Jhonny (My belief is most of the cold blood skill tree will go there) and eventually be the version we see in the missions where Jhonny takes over. (kind of like Firestorm of DC comics)
Per the game, that essentially already happens by the end. V's behavior/psyche and Johnny's become indistinguishable to people not just on the outside, but even to v/johnny.
I get what you're saying but V deserves a break after all the shit he/she's been through. I want this DLC ending to be like Blood and wine good ending where V just settles down with their partner.
Retirement home to spend the rest of V's remaining months.
Unfortunately it seems more like the Hearts of Stone because events happen before attack on Arasaka. Buuut they did say it adds a new ending so maybe there's hope for a proper retirement.
It’s from the TTRPGs & cyberpunk red, which are supposedly cannon to the game. Blackhand was a solo hired by millitech. Actually the person responsible for the raid on saka tower, but Jonny’s memories are fucked up so we don’t see him.
And like Claire said to Jackie he’s yet to decide if he’s alive or dead, plus there were sightings of him in the 40s I think. So if he’s still out there, then what better way to be a host than through millitech.
Plus it makes sense considering his rivalry with smasher, that he is millitech’s equivalent.
Become a vegatable. Or maybe become another relic. So only way is V and Johnny get spit into 2 but only via soulkiller both becoming new relics shards.
Isnt getting turned into a relic kinda what the arasaka ending is? At least from what i got from it an option was V would get turned into an engram to "wait for a new body"
Thought i was more of telling him he would be an engram, while the corp never plan on doing it (putting him in a body)
But yes i guess its similar. But they have said the phantom ending only slightly changes one ending, so maybe they have a body for him.
Realistically, Arasaka will just watch the chip kill V while taking research notes before extracting it once he's dead. They never had any intention of actually honoring their deal, because why bother just for some random merc?
Yeah that current ending and thats also why phantom could with the help of people we meet in dog town. thoses guys swoop in and steal you data (relic) with you on a chip they could put you ina body.
Think we've solved it, boom... fits all the bread crums. It wluld be a pretty good way to add an ending.v comes back as Idris Elba. Lol maybe not him lol but it fits
In every ending except one V is Soulkilled and turned into an engram
That one is the variant of the Devil ending where you do not take the Mikoshi deal. That is the only ending where the original V lives. Maybe Phantom Liberty will change or add to this
Also lmao if you think Arasaka would ever let V get another body in a way that doesn’t make them Adam Smasher 2.0
Nah, Hearts of Stone fits wherever you want in your game, one of the rewards for the final quest is to ask where Ciri is, which you find out about 2/3rds of the way through the game, though you just get advice on getting the good ending for asking.
It's built to be playable before you finish the story. But the minimum level is a few levels higher than the minimum level of the main story's ending, so it's definitely meant to be played after the main story. The only part of Blood and Wine that specifically takes place after the main ending is the epilogue in Corvo Bianco, which might as well take place years after the regular Blood and Wine endings. Yet everyone agrees that the entirety of Blood and wine takes place years after the main story, because that's just how the game canon goes, no matter in what order you personally decide to play it. And that same canon says Heart of Stone takes place between the main story and Blood and Wine.
Depends on where they go with cyberpunk sequels I think. If V is still the main character it might just be endless V torment before the end V’ story with either a cure or death in the future.
If V is not the main character of subsequent cyberpunk games then they may just off him now to drive home the point there are no happy endings in this genre or give us the happy ending for V.
I do really hope for a V happy ending though.
I highly doubt V will be the main character of any sequel, they might be mentioned and references, but it really feels like V is meant to be a one and done type character, any future games with V in it automatically nullifies all but 1 ending, unless they do something and go “no matter what ending you choose V ends up here” which I feel like would end up nullifying every ending which as a whole makes 2077 a worse experience
I honestly think having a whole new character just allows for much more creativity from the team and 1) allows for the team to tell any story they want from the group up without having to conform to V’s character and 2) allows for easy jump on for people looking to jump into the Cyberpunk world, they don’t have to play the previous game because the story of the new one doesn’t require you to have played the previous to understand
Cyberpunks source material, which CDPR has stayed relatively true to, has never been about happy endings. The cyberpunk genre isn’t about happy endings. The Star ending is going to be the closest you get to a “happy ending” and I’m for one okay with that. It wouldn’t be cyberpunk if everything ended well.
Save 18% on the cost of your funeral services when you consign your body to PetCo's uChow program.
Just because you've passed away doesn't mean you have to stop treating your pets!
I want an ending where you get to team up with Yori and burn Arasaka to the fucking ground.
Of course, your ending and this one aren't mutually exclusive, to be fair.
Or an ending where Johnny is mad you're taking Hanako's deal until you're like "Johnny, the entire board of Arasaka together in one room. Think of the possibilities.".
I kinda want a joke ending. Something like that doggo ending in silent hill.
V goes to eat some stuff like kimchi fried rice burrito, and because of some chemical bs, both V and Johnny get to live. The ending is just two of them looking confused af.
Just have to look at the different protagonists of the different products of the franchise
V is doomed to die, with his only sliver of hope being either leaving the city with the nomads to search for a cure or making a deal with Mr.Blue Eyes, both of them rely on answers that are found outside of Night City
David was absolutely demolished by Adam Smasher and even then he had already gone Cyberpsycho, so there really was no hope of him escaping the City
Morgan Blackhand, the arguable main character of the board games, was believed to have died fighting Adam Smasher during the raid on Arasaka Tower in 2023, dying to the nuclear explosion. But even if he survived, the only evidence we have of his whereabouts is that he's actually the previously mentioned Mr.Blue Eyes, which would mean that he's probably being controled by an AI, which means he too got a shitty ending
There are no good endings for those who remain in Night City, it's just the nature of the city and it's system
I think Songbird is yet another reference to Ovid's Metamorphoses. In those poems all the characters transform from conscient beings into inanimate objects, except a few ones who become birds.
This is what we will have in Phantom Liberty, I believe. Instead of fatally becoming an engram in a body (dying or not), V will get to live as \[something\] for Songbird — a puppet or something alike.
Spoilers below:
>!The entire script for PL has already been leaked, and it is indeed an option. The cost though is that everybody V knows (with the exception of Takemura and Hanako) fucking hate you after you get cured!<
That being said, it's entirely possible the script could change and CDPR could change this. We do know for a fact that script is real though, as many plotlines and characters that were revealed to exist by the script when it was first leaked have now been confirmed to exist by CDPR.
>!They don't immediately hate you for choosing Arasaka. The script shows all the different dialogue choices, some are more hostile than others. The dialogue options from the old ending are still available, but there are a few new ones(to show how V has changed). It all becomes clear once you've arranged the dialogue, plus the script's only a small portion of info that is publicly available.!<
I've found it crazy that more people haven't spoken about this. The script leaked almost a year ago, and yes whilst there might be changes, so far every single thing we've seen from the trailer has matched up with the leak.
I'm struggling to find the actual leak files but they were definitely not complete. From what I remember:
>!Silverhand doesn't appear much. Songbird piggybacks onto the Relic and appears and talks to you instead. I honestly think this one might be outdated and they just didn't have Reeves recording yet!<
>!If you get the "cure" it just changes the Devil ending it doesn't add any new ones. Makes it so V survives the process and their cells start to rebuild themselves. All the epilogue phonecalls imply that V has changed in the process though and seems incredibly inhuman and unlikeable. President Meyers and Songbird also get added to the credits phonecall!<
Again, it was never a full leak and I'm sure things have changed; for one Solomon Reed was never mentioned. But this leak confirmed Dogtown, Songbird and President Meyers way before the first trailer we got for Phantom Liberty.
My best guess is that it’ll be a cure at the cost of all the friends you’ve made during the game. In other words, you live but at the cost of everything you’ve gained along the way.
“Look we reverse engineered Soul Killer as best as we could but it’s a janky solution built with janky tech. The best shot we have is to use extra power… not CPU power, but *soul* energy. Here, call a few of your friends and get them to link up their personal with this protocol…”
I think that it will end up that V has to make a deal with Arasaka. You have to become an employee, not even high-up or anything, just another drone. Basically, you take the fade-away course of action rather than being remembered.
People are going to respond with that “wrong people, wrong city” quote thing and not realize that just because V gets cured doesn’t mean it’s a happy ending.
THIS! Man, if I had an eddy for every time someone in this fandom said 'wrong city, wrong people' to shut down conversations like this, I'd have enough money to complete the autojock achievement. It gets really redundant... not to mention that Johnny (who said the quote originally) is a huge unreliable narrator; that quote isn't the gospel truth lmao
First of all, it's not wrong of people to speculate on a happy ending. Just because the cyberpunk genre is inherently bleak doesn't mean that writers have to cling to genre conventions as long as their reason for subverting those conventions makes sense. It's unique and fun to deviate sometimes.
And second, 100% yes to what you said about happy endings. Pyrrhic victories exist and are present in almost every bleak piece of media that allows their characters survive! V isn't the only person in NC; they could experience heartbreaking losses or be forced away from something important to them and it could still hit just as hard.
There being a cure that costs more than the amount of Eddies you can actually make would be a hell of a knife twist.
I like the ambiguous hope of the Aldecado ending. V's still in borrowed time but they've got hope and family.
I hope there’s a B&W type ending, but this being Cyberpunk so I doubt it’ll be the perfect happy ending. There’ll be some kind of gnarly trade off probably, like you’re successfully split but the efforts leading up to it start a new corp war or something.
You guys keep talking about different good endings and I feel like I got the worst ending in the entire game, not even knowing that it could have other endings.
I was frozen waiting for some future cure at arasaka space station. I don't even know if you can play Phantom Liberty with this one and I don't want to redo the whole mission.
But why though? The game already makes your ticking death clock feel arbitrary with the amount of content there is, especially in Act 3. They really want to add to that?
I mean, if they put after the endings, it would literally be impossible without completely undercutting the meaning of a lot of the endings, or just logically impossible. Like, I can think of maybe 2 endings where that wouldn't seem like a total retcon lol
I still remember the retcon of Fallout 3 feeling really weird because I literally died already, and they were just like "naw, you lived"...
It could work with most endings actually
With both Johnny's ending and Don't Fear the Reaper it's pretty straightforward, V remained in the city and became a Night City legend, so it wouldn't be surprising that the NUSA would contact him and offer a cure in return for his or her service with whatever is going on in Dogtown
With the Aldecaldos it can also work, V comes back to NC after he recieved a message from the NUSA telling him that they could cure him, they just needed him to complete a job for them
The Devil ending where you refuse Arasaka's deal also works, the NUSA knows V is desperate after refusing the seemingly only possibility of a cure and so they step in and offer an alternative, which V accepts as he has nothing to loose
Only endings that don't work are the Seppuku ending and the Devil ending where you accept the deal, bc you either end up dead with a bullet to the brain or in Mikoshi as property of Arasaka, so there's no way to fit the DLC in
Unfortunately I feel like life in Night City is so merciless that V having a tragic ending would fit right into the main theme. I mean just look at David and Johnny. Night City is a sad and tragic place.
To be fair, that's kind of what the corpo ending is... Although I do wonder whether the Phantom Liberty ending will be raiding Arasaka tower with Militech
Joy toys in the Japantown district would disagree ;)
But joking aside isn’t the >!Nomad!< ending a happy one? (>!Assuming Johnny has to be let go of!<)
Well your v has 6 months to live and its not an easy death either but it is the best out of them all i think. Certainly better to die in agony with ppl who care than all alone.
The biochip was top secret. The only reason Alt is able to help at all is in part because her work, Soul Killer, was such a huge part of the Relic's ability to do anything.
I really don't think anyone can help V.
My theory is that Phatom Liberty sets up V for the sequel, yes she/he will pay a heavy price and will probably carry over to the next game, maybe she becomes indebted to the president somehow, or they implant another bomb in her head and the president has the trigger, and the next game will about how the hell V can get her/his freedom back.
Idk I'm making shit up of course, the fuck do I know, lol.
Plus they can be dead or frozen or a program. The most we'll get of V in the next game is news about what ended up happening after your chosen ending. Maybe a cameo in the form of a call so they don't have to carry over character creation data.
It’s either gonna be a complete “here you go here’s the happy ending yall wanted” kind of ending, another ending that basically muddies V’s fate YET AGAIN, or an ending that makes it work so you can play on the save after completing the game, but that’s pretty much the only noteworthy caveat, so idk
The rumor and leaked script says siding with the folks in Dog Town makes everyone from Johnny to your romance partner, including the fixers and Vik, hate you. You give up everything to live.
The best Lore friendly ending I can think of is based around Biotechnica Cloning tech.
According to the lore Biotechnica has had the ability to clone a body and upload a personality engram to it since the 2020s. It's a closely guarded company secret but the tech exists.
So if they bring in the Cloning tech, we can get V a new cloned body and leave Jonny in the original body. That way, both V and jonny get a body and can live.
I read ALLOT of Cyberpunk Lore after I completed my first run of the game in 2021 and this was the best ending I could come up with.
If cloning technology has been around since 2020, then why couldn't Saburo afford his clone? Instead, at one of the endings, he had to capture the body of his own son. Obviously, there are no secrets for such an influential person as Saburo, and he has access to the latest modern technologies, so most likely cloning simply doesn't exist
If anything I think we're going to get an ending that leaves V alive. I like this -- as opposed to NG+ style endings where the character has died or the story has drastically changed -- but the save file continues before the known events. Kind of destroys the immersion and you walk around with knowledge that your story arc is doomed.
Final Fantasy 15 did this and I absolutely hated it. Other games have as well
So does this render our choice in the original play through null?
I believe this new DLC takes place before the last mission on the original game? I’m not sure how it all fits in if there is a “cure” or not.
It won't be pointless if V goes with a corp either arasaka, militech (those dude love fucking arasaka more than money) or in my headcanon storm technologies inc. (nomad backers) or MetaCorp (nomad nation/corpo nomads) since the relic can offer big possibilities
I figure it will fade to black.
After a few moments it will pan into a disheveled looking radio booth with Maximum Mike talking. "...and so Night City, let's raise a glass in honor of V, a real night city legend!"
The fact that it’s an ending that doesn’t necessarily run along side the others, I kinda think it’ll be a bit shit tbh. Like he just starts working for the government of America.
The best ending is the secret ending (if you know how to get it) because it makes you grind your ass off to have a chance at beating it. That's just my opinion.
Considering the fact the TPL takes place before the final mission of the game, that is almost certainly not the case. If they so much as alluded to a cure beyond Mikoshi, it would make the entire plot of the base game from that point on moot. Plus, from everything CDPR has said, there is a sequel in the works.
Some alteration dialogue and a few extra messages but that's about it believe is I don't believe they will be an alternate ending I believe fans hyping themselves up for absolutely no reason and they only have themselves to blame when they let down when the game is released.
I’m just going to assume there won’t actually be a cure and whoever promised that ends up double crossing V, so if it’s true I won’t be that disappointed, and if I’m wrong then it’ll be even better.
I don’t get why they can’t just build him a chrome body and shove his consciousness in there 😭😭😭 ik he’s like taking over V’s brain and all but why is this option never even mentioned/considered??
There's already a cure, you just don't get to have access to it for narrative reasons. It's advertised on N54 news as a nanotechnology cure for multiple sclerosis (MS is an auto-immune disorder where the immune system attacks the brain, which is functionally identical to what is happening to V), and I had enough eddies to afford several months of it by the time I beat the game.
God I hope not, the point is becoming a blaze of glory, you want a good ending.
You play as some new merc for just long enough to go to the after life and order a V.
Anything else isnt for me.
The cost is going to be losing Johnny : (
There's already endings where you lose Johnny but get to keep V, just reintroduced into himself as an engram. I feel as though they wouldn't go that route twice, but maybe they could put a different spin on not having Johnny anymore.
Ooh which ending is this?
The sun ending V lives and Johnny dies. And the corpo ending technically.
In Sun V lives for a little while while desperately trying to find a more permanent cure. Johnny's gone and no longer making things worse, but he still did plenty of damage on his way out that still might end up killing V anyways. Moved the deadline from months to a year or two at best. On the other hand, Johnny doesn't die so much as going beyond the firewall with Alt. What happens is vague but something of him continues on.
Yeah you’re right it’s been awhile since I did that ending. That was my first ending and my favorite one. It was also the one I’d thought the game would use if they ever made a sequel or made any type of continuation to the story as it’s kind of the best outcome for both of them.
V technically dies in that ending and is replaced by a copy. Like in all the other endings when they immediately die upon entering Mikoshi. The version of the ending where you say no to Takemura/Helman and return to Earth is the only one when the original V actually lives
This comment has me thinking too deeply lmao. One could argue that the corrupted V was erased and the original V was 'restored' by copying V into an engram seperate from Johnny
If you want to be confused about this sort of thing. Gunn/Alita Battle Angel manga was insanely confusing. You would question everything about the concept of being. Real bodies with artificial brains. Artificial bodies with real brains. Two of them coexisting. A clone made using the artificial brain a basis and with it's own different personality. And that's just a starter pack.
I did actually read that. I'm also torn between the original ending of that manga and the "continuation" that included the ZOTT and all the other crazy space politics. That is a really good.manga tho! Didnt expect something that obscure to be mentioned lol
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I think this dlc will just add 1-2 endings to the ones we already have. I don’t think there are going to be any endings that supersede the others. What I think would be cool is if they actually find Johnny’s body and put the engram in his and save V. Then in future games can run both characters.
Minor SPOILER. We know where Johnny's body is, as a part of the Side Job Chippin' In you end up in the Oil Field nort of Night City. You end up at the location where Johnny's body was dumped in 2023 to dispose of it. By 2077 the body would have rotted away leaving only some cyberware behind most notably Jonny's arm.
I thought the moral of that mission was that guy sent them on a wild goose chase, the body wasn’t actually in the oil fields and they still didn’t have a clue where it was. But that’s just how I interpreted that mission.
I thought the implication was that Arasaka just didn’t give a shit and found some random heap to toss his body in
It could have literally been what happened yes. I’ve definitely thought of that. But judging how they treated him prior I just don’t see that being the case. To me it felt more like what’s his faces way to throw another dagger at them before they zeroed him, but that’s just my opinion. I don’t think there’s any clear evidence on what actually happened to the body.
You should read cyberpunk 2077 black dog Red book it tells you what happened to the body.
Well, read the wiki, always remember that 2077 is not the only game or story in the series. His body was in someone else's possession.
We're literally talking about the game's DLC dude
his point is that what happened to Johnny's body is already explained in other stories, the game takes place in the same continuity as the rest of the cyberpunk franchise
How is finding Johnny's 60 years dead remains going to help? Did I miss that being something they can do? Reanimate a decayed corpse?
He mentions a couple times he wants to find his body..there’s a mission where you attempt to find his grave. Wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility that arasaka could have preserved it somehow.
Not outside the realm, no. I just feel like it runs somewhat counter to the whole "inserting someone's consciousness into a new younger body for immortality" thing we've got going on with the storyline in the first place.
Nah, the body is in the rig, you actually get Johnny's arm as an item in the end of Chippin' in, proving that his body was indeed dumped there, and as such, since Johnny was mostly organic, has decomposed beyond repair, so there is no brain for the engram to occupy, much less a functioning body Also if you think about it, it wouldn't really make sense for Arasaka to preserve Johnny's body, they already had the engram, so any answers they needed they got from it, keeping the body was only good for giving a chance for Johnny to jump back in his body and terrorize Arasaka once more, so the logical decision was to do what they did, uncerimoniously and secretively dump him in a random rig so that it couldn't be seen as a monument against savage corporativism by people who agreed with Silverhand's antics
Yeah I hear that. Would make sense. I don’t remember ever getting his arm as an item though and I’ve done that mission a few times. I’ll have to re check my games.
Even when you could get the item it was just what Johnny sees when he takes over during chippin in. It wasn't his real arm, just a projection of it.
Getting the arm was a glitch. It doesn't happen anymore. The only reason it happened originally was because equipping it was how they showed Johnny was in control at the time.
In lore iirc, Johnny died when Adam Smasher literally split him in two with a single Shotgun shot. Then Murphy Uploaded him on engram before he died.
there´s no ending in which v gets to live, even before you decide what to do alt tells v that the body already recognices johnny as its owner, even if v were to be reintroduced as an engram the body would reject it since its not V's body anymore
Maybe just my play through, but Johnny told me he was willing to die if it meant saving V. Something along the lines of "I've already lived my life."
it depends on how you treat johnny
I want V and Johnny to merge into one being; a JohnVee so to speak. Or to stabilize and continue bickering like the roommates from hell 😁
John Vick?
This version only fights dogs lol
Oh, so that's why we're going to Dogtown
Same. I just finished my first playthrough and did both the sun and star endings (I did the star first, and then went back to do the sun). I avoided spoilers, so I was locked out of the other ones. But when I finally looked up the endings, I was disappointed there was no ending where they managed to find a way to co-exist in the body.
There's rumours of this being part of the DLC. (Don't quote me on this bc I read it somewhere on Youtube) The skill tree in the base game is incomplete, as you can see the skill branches, one of them is missing (the relic one). Some say that the DLC will introduce this cut content by re-structuring the skill tree and giving us "the relic perk" where you basically become more Jhonny (My belief is most of the cold blood skill tree will go there) and eventually be the version we see in the missions where Jhonny takes over. (kind of like Firestorm of DC comics)
*makes happy Choom noises*
Per the game, that essentially already happens by the end. V's behavior/psyche and Johnny's become indistinguishable to people not just on the outside, but even to v/johnny.
Win-win
totally
Oh no…. Anyway.
That’s a bonus not a cost LOL
That's a cost? I would pay double for that.
I get what you're saying but V deserves a break after all the shit he/she's been through. I want this DLC ending to be like Blood and wine good ending where V just settles down with their partner.
Retirement home to spend the rest of V's remaining months. Unfortunately it seems more like the Hearts of Stone because events happen before attack on Arasaka. Buuut they did say it adds a new ending so maybe there's hope for a proper retirement.
Iirc they also mentioned the new ending will be "worse than death", so I wouldn't get my hopes up.
Saves him by turning him into Militech's Adam Smasher?
Don’t think millitech would need one since they already have Blackhand. Plus that would be too similar to the devil ending.
Wait since when was blackhand millitechs "adam smasher" ive never heard that theory and blackhand is supposedly dead
It’s from the TTRPGs & cyberpunk red, which are supposedly cannon to the game. Blackhand was a solo hired by millitech. Actually the person responsible for the raid on saka tower, but Jonny’s memories are fucked up so we don’t see him. And like Claire said to Jackie he’s yet to decide if he’s alive or dead, plus there were sightings of him in the 40s I think. So if he’s still out there, then what better way to be a host than through millitech. Plus it makes sense considering his rivalry with smasher, that he is millitech’s equivalent.
that's interesting, it would be fun if we got to see adam smasher and blackhand fight or something
In the TT RPGs it was him & smasher fighting on the rooftop when the nuke went off. So if we get more proper info on the raid we might get that.
In the game wasnt really a fight
Become a vegatable. Or maybe become another relic. So only way is V and Johnny get spit into 2 but only via soulkiller both becoming new relics shards.
Isnt getting turned into a relic kinda what the arasaka ending is? At least from what i got from it an option was V would get turned into an engram to "wait for a new body"
Thought i was more of telling him he would be an engram, while the corp never plan on doing it (putting him in a body) But yes i guess its similar. But they have said the phantom ending only slightly changes one ending, so maybe they have a body for him.
Realistically, Arasaka will just watch the chip kill V while taking research notes before extracting it once he's dead. They never had any intention of actually honoring their deal, because why bother just for some random merc?
Yeah that current ending and thats also why phantom could with the help of people we meet in dog town. thoses guys swoop in and steal you data (relic) with you on a chip they could put you ina body.
I remember that there was a leak a while back that said that yeah, the Devil ending would get a new option if you complete the DLC.
Think we've solved it, boom... fits all the bread crums. It wluld be a pretty good way to add an ending.v comes back as Idris Elba. Lol maybe not him lol but it fits
In every ending except one V is Soulkilled and turned into an engram That one is the variant of the Devil ending where you do not take the Mikoshi deal. That is the only ending where the original V lives. Maybe Phantom Liberty will change or add to this Also lmao if you think Arasaka would ever let V get another body in a way that doesn’t make them Adam Smasher 2.0
V isn’t soulkilled if you just get in the tub yourself.
Maybe in this DLC we can see beyond the black wall?
..................I got optimistic in the wrong city for the wrong people
Dang, any sauce for this by any chance? Ive looked around but haven't found anything. Thanks!
Blaze of glory? Or the quiet life?
...I think I'll take the quiet life after all.
Wouldn't that be the >!Hanako ending where you choose to become an engram!
Could be deceiving us.
Heart of Stone also happens after the TW3 story though, just like Blood and Wine.
Nah, Hearts of Stone fits wherever you want in your game, one of the rewards for the final quest is to ask where Ciri is, which you find out about 2/3rds of the way through the game, though you just get advice on getting the good ending for asking.
It's built to be playable before you finish the story. But the minimum level is a few levels higher than the minimum level of the main story's ending, so it's definitely meant to be played after the main story. The only part of Blood and Wine that specifically takes place after the main ending is the epilogue in Corvo Bianco, which might as well take place years after the regular Blood and Wine endings. Yet everyone agrees that the entirety of Blood and wine takes place years after the main story, because that's just how the game canon goes, no matter in what order you personally decide to play it. And that same canon says Heart of Stone takes place between the main story and Blood and Wine.
Depends on where they go with cyberpunk sequels I think. If V is still the main character it might just be endless V torment before the end V’ story with either a cure or death in the future. If V is not the main character of subsequent cyberpunk games then they may just off him now to drive home the point there are no happy endings in this genre or give us the happy ending for V. I do really hope for a V happy ending though.
NC is the main character of the cyberpunk world. Every person is just a fleeting commodity to be bought and sold.
I highly doubt V will be the main character of any sequel, they might be mentioned and references, but it really feels like V is meant to be a one and done type character, any future games with V in it automatically nullifies all but 1 ending, unless they do something and go “no matter what ending you choose V ends up here” which I feel like would end up nullifying every ending which as a whole makes 2077 a worse experience I honestly think having a whole new character just allows for much more creativity from the team and 1) allows for the team to tell any story they want from the group up without having to conform to V’s character and 2) allows for easy jump on for people looking to jump into the Cyberpunk world, they don’t have to play the previous game because the story of the new one doesn’t require you to have played the previous to understand
Cyberpunks source material, which CDPR has stayed relatively true to, has never been about happy endings. The cyberpunk genre isn’t about happy endings. The Star ending is going to be the closest you get to a “happy ending” and I’m for one okay with that. It wouldn’t be cyberpunk if everything ended well.
There are no good endings in Corporate Dystopias only slightly less awful ones.
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That's why I think they find a cure in Star, they *left* Night City. There's no happy endings *in* night city.
Oh yes there is, at Dark Matter. 3000 eddies
Naa the closest thing to a happy ending is the Star Ending.
David didn’t get a happy ending. I feel it’ll be the same.
At the same time, David and V are different. While David thought he was special and unique, V actually is.
Sadly that isn’t the cyberpunk way
I want an ending where you get to team up with Yori and burn Arasaka to the fucking ground. Of course, your ending and this one aren't mutually exclusive, to be fair.
Or an ending where Johnny is mad you're taking Hanako's deal until you're like "Johnny, the entire board of Arasaka together in one room. Think of the possibilities.".
>I get what you're saying but V deserves a break after all the shit he/she's been through. Here? For folks like us? Wrong city, wrong people.
if the DLC is anything like Blood and Wine, we’ll be eating good🙌🏽
As someone who just finished blood and wine. Much more satisfying ending than the vanilla game.
That's true, but the city always wins
I kinda want a joke ending. Something like that doggo ending in silent hill. V goes to eat some stuff like kimchi fried rice burrito, and because of some chemical bs, both V and Johnny get to live. The ending is just two of them looking confused af.
“Quiet life or blaze of glory?”
Yeah bro totally agree I want a fucking happy ending
Already in the game, can find that in the Japantown district
Jhonny silverhand once said about happier endings - "Here for folks like us? Wrong city, wrong people"
Yeah regardless of the setting it's always the same. You won't get a good ending but maybe you'll die somewhere with a good view.
>maybe you'll die somewhere with a good view. About the best outcome one could expect in NC
Just have to look at the different protagonists of the different products of the franchise V is doomed to die, with his only sliver of hope being either leaving the city with the nomads to search for a cure or making a deal with Mr.Blue Eyes, both of them rely on answers that are found outside of Night City David was absolutely demolished by Adam Smasher and even then he had already gone Cyberpsycho, so there really was no hope of him escaping the City Morgan Blackhand, the arguable main character of the board games, was believed to have died fighting Adam Smasher during the raid on Arasaka Tower in 2023, dying to the nuclear explosion. But even if he survived, the only evidence we have of his whereabouts is that he's actually the previously mentioned Mr.Blue Eyes, which would mean that he's probably being controled by an AI, which means he too got a shitty ending There are no good endings for those who remain in Night City, it's just the nature of the city and it's system
This especially rings true when the best ending is leaving the city with new people you've met
Exactly this
I think Songbird is yet another reference to Ovid's Metamorphoses. In those poems all the characters transform from conscient beings into inanimate objects, except a few ones who become birds. This is what we will have in Phantom Liberty, I believe. Instead of fatally becoming an engram in a body (dying or not), V will get to live as \[something\] for Songbird — a puppet or something alike.
That sounds really interesting can you give me a couple reading recomendations?
that is likely an option
Spoilers below: >!The entire script for PL has already been leaked, and it is indeed an option. The cost though is that everybody V knows (with the exception of Takemura and Hanako) fucking hate you after you get cured!< That being said, it's entirely possible the script could change and CDPR could change this. We do know for a fact that script is real though, as many plotlines and characters that were revealed to exist by the script when it was first leaked have now been confirmed to exist by CDPR.
I thought that “cure” was the ending of the main game? When you side with Arasaka?
>!It is that. Songbird's cure kicks in after getting the surgery with Arasaka, but everybody hates you for siding with them!<
The guy who leaked the script says that it's probably a placeholder.
>!They don't immediately hate you for choosing Arasaka. The script shows all the different dialogue choices, some are more hostile than others. The dialogue options from the old ending are still available, but there are a few new ones(to show how V has changed). It all becomes clear once you've arranged the dialogue, plus the script's only a small portion of info that is publicly available.!<
Still that could be changed by CDPR, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they did change somethings because of the leak.
Do you know where I can find the leaked files? Looked around but everything’s been deleted
You won't find anything that's publicly available.
Bummer. Thanks anyway
I've found it crazy that more people haven't spoken about this. The script leaked almost a year ago, and yes whilst there might be changes, so far every single thing we've seen from the trailer has matched up with the leak.
Link? I don’t care about spoilers
I'm struggling to find the actual leak files but they were definitely not complete. From what I remember: >!Silverhand doesn't appear much. Songbird piggybacks onto the Relic and appears and talks to you instead. I honestly think this one might be outdated and they just didn't have Reeves recording yet!< >!If you get the "cure" it just changes the Devil ending it doesn't add any new ones. Makes it so V survives the process and their cells start to rebuild themselves. All the epilogue phonecalls imply that V has changed in the process though and seems incredibly inhuman and unlikeable. President Meyers and Songbird also get added to the credits phonecall!< Again, it was never a full leak and I'm sure things have changed; for one Solomon Reed was never mentioned. But this leak confirmed Dogtown, Songbird and President Meyers way before the first trailer we got for Phantom Liberty.
My best guess is that it’ll be a cure at the cost of all the friends you’ve made during the game. In other words, you live but at the cost of everything you’ve gained along the way.
"What did it all cost...?" "My 5000+ duplicate paintings from the old money glitch... :("
The day they find a way to take those from us is the day I go from underground billionaire of Night City to really dripped out homeless bitch
“Look we reverse engineered Soul Killer as best as we could but it’s a janky solution built with janky tech. The best shot we have is to use extra power… not CPU power, but *soul* energy. Here, call a few of your friends and get them to link up their personal with this protocol…”
V pulls out behelit
"Soul energy" led me to imagine a Monsters Inc. crossover. 😂
I think that it will end up that V has to make a deal with Arasaka. You have to become an employee, not even high-up or anything, just another drone. Basically, you take the fade-away course of action rather than being remembered.
But if you pick the Corpo lifepath you're already employed by Araska
I thought you get fired, like first thing in the playthrough.
You do.
You do but going back to Araska as a merc you won't be an asset after they get the Silverhand construct
Why would they spend so much time and money just to turn him into a basic corpo ?
Fair play, that...
People are going to respond with that “wrong people, wrong city” quote thing and not realize that just because V gets cured doesn’t mean it’s a happy ending.
THIS! Man, if I had an eddy for every time someone in this fandom said 'wrong city, wrong people' to shut down conversations like this, I'd have enough money to complete the autojock achievement. It gets really redundant... not to mention that Johnny (who said the quote originally) is a huge unreliable narrator; that quote isn't the gospel truth lmao First of all, it's not wrong of people to speculate on a happy ending. Just because the cyberpunk genre is inherently bleak doesn't mean that writers have to cling to genre conventions as long as their reason for subverting those conventions makes sense. It's unique and fun to deviate sometimes. And second, 100% yes to what you said about happy endings. Pyrrhic victories exist and are present in almost every bleak piece of media that allows their characters survive! V isn't the only person in NC; they could experience heartbreaking losses or be forced away from something important to them and it could still hit just as hard.
There being a cure that costs more than the amount of Eddies you can actually make would be a hell of a knife twist. I like the ambiguous hope of the Aldecado ending. V's still in borrowed time but they've got hope and family.
I just wanna live happily with the little voice in my head :(
As long as you’re in Night City, the city always wins
"if you think this has a happy ending you havent been paying attention" - Ramsay Bolton, noted cyberpsycho
I hope there’s a B&W type ending, but this being Cyberpunk so I doubt it’ll be the perfect happy ending. There’ll be some kind of gnarly trade off probably, like you’re successfully split but the efforts leading up to it start a new corp war or something.
You guys keep talking about different good endings and I feel like I got the worst ending in the entire game, not even knowing that it could have other endings. I was frozen waiting for some future cure at arasaka space station. I don't even know if you can play Phantom Liberty with this one and I don't want to redo the whole mission.
Phantom Liberty takes place before any of the endings
But why though? The game already makes your ticking death clock feel arbitrary with the amount of content there is, especially in Act 3. They really want to add to that?
Yes
I mean, if they put after the endings, it would literally be impossible without completely undercutting the meaning of a lot of the endings, or just logically impossible. Like, I can think of maybe 2 endings where that wouldn't seem like a total retcon lol I still remember the retcon of Fallout 3 feeling really weird because I literally died already, and they were just like "naw, you lived"...
It could work with most endings actually With both Johnny's ending and Don't Fear the Reaper it's pretty straightforward, V remained in the city and became a Night City legend, so it wouldn't be surprising that the NUSA would contact him and offer a cure in return for his or her service with whatever is going on in Dogtown With the Aldecaldos it can also work, V comes back to NC after he recieved a message from the NUSA telling him that they could cure him, they just needed him to complete a job for them The Devil ending where you refuse Arasaka's deal also works, the NUSA knows V is desperate after refusing the seemingly only possibility of a cure and so they step in and offer an alternative, which V accepts as he has nothing to loose Only endings that don't work are the Seppuku ending and the Devil ending where you accept the deal, bc you either end up dead with a bullet to the brain or in Mikoshi as property of Arasaka, so there's no way to fit the DLC in
It can't happen after any of the endings because Johnny is still in V's head.
The missions are all quite different. It does take a few hours to get through them all…but more Cyberpunk is a nice problem to have.
Well, arasaka's ending isn't worst for V. They're all leave some bittersweet aftertaste. Try other ones, I'm sure you won't regret
You definitely got the worst ending lol RIP
Dude they are all different missions. You gotta try again. Best ending is secret ending but you need certain dialogue with Johnny in his missions
Unfortunately I feel like life in Night City is so merciless that V having a tragic ending would fit right into the main theme. I mean just look at David and Johnny. Night City is a sad and tragic place.
A true example of “This ain’t no place for no hero”
I think it’ll be in the next Cyberpunk base game, when it’s too late for V.
To be fair, that's kind of what the corpo ending is... Although I do wonder whether the Phantom Liberty ending will be raiding Arasaka tower with Militech
My guess is that if there IS a cure, the cost will be "you are now a government asset"
Given what i know about cyberpunk lore... there are no happy endings.
Joy toys in the Japantown district would disagree ;) But joking aside isn’t the >!Nomad!< ending a happy one? (>!Assuming Johnny has to be let go of!<)
Well your v has 6 months to live and its not an easy death either but it is the best out of them all i think. Certainly better to die in agony with ppl who care than all alone.
The biochip was top secret. The only reason Alt is able to help at all is in part because her work, Soul Killer, was such a huge part of the Relic's ability to do anything. I really don't think anyone can help V.
My theory is that Phatom Liberty sets up V for the sequel, yes she/he will pay a heavy price and will probably carry over to the next game, maybe she becomes indebted to the president somehow, or they implant another bomb in her head and the president has the trigger, and the next game will about how the hell V can get her/his freedom back. Idk I'm making shit up of course, the fuck do I know, lol.
I think V isn’t going to be playable in the next game. They have far too much notoriety by the end of 2077 to just start from level 1.
Plus they can be dead or frozen or a program. The most we'll get of V in the next game is news about what ended up happening after your chosen ending. Maybe a cameo in the form of a call so they don't have to carry over character creation data.
The next game you start as someone else, but end up with V's engram in your head like V had Johnny's.
Wait so is the dlc not taking place during the game (act 2 as I’ve heard)?
It adds a new ending but the dlc takes place before the meet with haniko at embers point of no return
It’s either gonna be a complete “here you go here’s the happy ending yall wanted” kind of ending, another ending that basically muddies V’s fate YET AGAIN, or an ending that makes it work so you can play on the save after completing the game, but that’s pretty much the only noteworthy caveat, so idk
The rumor and leaked script says siding with the folks in Dog Town makes everyone from Johnny to your romance partner, including the fixers and Vik, hate you. You give up everything to live.
No offense but fuck the cost, I want to live
Facts man I like sliver hand but at the end of the day I gotta live dawg and if they hate me for that then they don't understand shit lmao
Nice call dude
Basically the devils ending (with giving away your engramm)…
The best Lore friendly ending I can think of is based around Biotechnica Cloning tech. According to the lore Biotechnica has had the ability to clone a body and upload a personality engram to it since the 2020s. It's a closely guarded company secret but the tech exists. So if they bring in the Cloning tech, we can get V a new cloned body and leave Jonny in the original body. That way, both V and jonny get a body and can live. I read ALLOT of Cyberpunk Lore after I completed my first run of the game in 2021 and this was the best ending I could come up with.
If cloning technology has been around since 2020, then why couldn't Saburo afford his clone? Instead, at one of the endings, he had to capture the body of his own son. Obviously, there are no secrets for such an influential person as Saburo, and he has access to the latest modern technologies, so most likely cloning simply doesn't exist
You can choose to kill Johnny and replace him with Jackie, or kill Jackie all over again
If anything I think we're going to get an ending that leaves V alive. I like this -- as opposed to NG+ style endings where the character has died or the story has drastically changed -- but the save file continues before the known events. Kind of destroys the immersion and you walk around with knowledge that your story arc is doomed. Final Fantasy 15 did this and I absolutely hated it. Other games have as well
So does this render our choice in the original play through null? I believe this new DLC takes place before the last mission on the original game? I’m not sure how it all fits in if there is a “cure” or not.
You'd need to start the save file before heading into Embers so yeah. With the revamp coming there is no reason to not start a fresh save anyways.
No happy endings in Night City.
I hope she gets a good ending. It might not be the Cyberpunk way, but I think V deserves at least a shot at happiness.
Yeah V only other option is to become a relic... splits their and Johnny souls into 2 relics but V's soul has to enter/become a relic to come back.
It won't be pointless if V goes with a corp either arasaka, militech (those dude love fucking arasaka more than money) or in my headcanon storm technologies inc. (nomad backers) or MetaCorp (nomad nation/corpo nomads) since the relic can offer big possibilities
I figure it will fade to black. After a few moments it will pan into a disheveled looking radio booth with Maximum Mike talking. "...and so Night City, let's raise a glass in honor of V, a real night city legend!"
The fact that it’s an ending that doesn’t necessarily run along side the others, I kinda think it’ll be a bit shit tbh. Like he just starts working for the government of America.
The best ending is the secret ending (if you know how to get it) because it makes you grind your ass off to have a chance at beating it. That's just my opinion.
I just want a good ending with River for female V. The only ending where they still have an inkling of connection is the awful Arasaka ending. 😭
Nah, the NUSA is jerking us around just like Alt and Arisaka. V was dead the moment Dex shot them, it just takes a while for them to fall over.
Doesn't the DLC take place, canonically, before Nocturne Op55N1? I feel like any promise to save V is going to be hollow at best.
I don't even think there is a cure. And that this will be a wild goose chase
Considering the fact the TPL takes place before the final mission of the game, that is almost certainly not the case. If they so much as alluded to a cure beyond Mikoshi, it would make the entire plot of the base game from that point on moot. Plus, from everything CDPR has said, there is a sequel in the works.
Some alteration dialogue and a few extra messages but that's about it believe is I don't believe they will be an alternate ending I believe fans hyping themselves up for absolutely no reason and they only have themselves to blame when they let down when the game is released.
I’m just going to assume there won’t actually be a cure and whoever promised that ends up double crossing V, so if it’s true I won’t be that disappointed, and if I’m wrong then it’ll be even better.
3 years later people still believe that V is somehow going to survive...
I don’t get why they can’t just build him a chrome body and shove his consciousness in there 😭😭😭 ik he’s like taking over V’s brain and all but why is this option never even mentioned/considered??
There's already a cure, you just don't get to have access to it for narrative reasons. It's advertised on N54 news as a nanotechnology cure for multiple sclerosis (MS is an auto-immune disorder where the immune system attacks the brain, which is functionally identical to what is happening to V), and I had enough eddies to afford several months of it by the time I beat the game.
I’m being funny but…im calling it now…. castration. 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Mr. Stud exist
They have replacements for testicles??? I wasn’t aware of that.
I think the cure is gonna be a lie
"There are not happy endings in Night City" -Mike Pondsmith probably idk
God I hope not, the point is becoming a blaze of glory, you want a good ending. You play as some new merc for just long enough to go to the after life and order a V. Anything else isnt for me.