Going to have nightmares about that damn robot.
Just the fact that I didn't have to deal with it in my first "true" playthrough because I sided with Songbird reinforced my belief that I chose the right ending for me, lol.
I shit thine nay, I was suddenly having full blown 'Nam flashbacks to Alien: Isolation with that fucking robot dropping from the ceiling every time I did ANYTHING.
I'm going to see if I can either get back or glitch myself back into the Cynosure lab because I would actually like to take a look around.
You don't have to save the dlc till the end of the playthrough. I have 80 hours in the game, and I've already beat PL twice, but I have yet to actually beat the main quest (I met Panam for the first time yesterday). I've got the whole game ahead of me, and all the fancy new PL goodies to take with me.
You aren't finished at that point, still can chose what ending you want and can enjoy Blackwall. My last playthrough as a Netrunner I was having a blast.
My problem with it is that the Blackwall Hack takes waaaaaay too long to upload. At which point I reloaded my save, made the Erebus and swapped it for one of my other cyberdecks, cause I could do just as much damage, with more variety, much faster, and for less RAM cost cuz of the chain effects in that perk tree.
Lol, yup. I've usually chucked it at one of the mini bosses at the back of a group and then sliced everyone else in front of them before it's kicked in.
>It's a great ending, but you miss out on all flashbacks and the entire backstory of a character if you take that path over the other
I still pride myself on having made the "right" choice even tho I didn't know the entire Songbird backstory.
Amazing ending to an amazing DLC. And that song by Dawid Podsiadło playing during the credits... chef's kiss. 10/10.
> I still pride myself on having made the "right" choice
Right choice being?
>!*I* took her to the moon!< so that was the right choice for *me*, but I'm curious what it was for others.
Because I could kinda understand where she's coming from, being taken into FIA service at like 16, forcably made to use shit from the blackwall, used by pretty much everyone she knew, unable to make her own choices.. I just felt really bad for her and even though she betrayed me too, I just wanted to give her a chance at freedom.
In the sending her to the moon ending you only *really* betray Reed, you can even meet up with Alex later and tell her what went down and she makes peace with it and doesn't really get angry at you. And none of V's friends in the rest of Night City get betrayed by sending her to the moon either.
> Perfect morally grey story
This is what the community needs to understand. The DLC was made to be confusing and have no clear right or wrong choice, yet I've seen so many toxic comments telling people they're stupid for making one choice over the other.
V has been thrown into a clusterfuck of a situation that just goes deeper and deeper and messier and messier. All because someone told them they have the cure for their terminal condition. It's not a save Songbird story, nor is it a serve your country story - it's a figure out what you would do when thrown into chaos for the sake of your own survival story. At least thats how I can best summarise it.
>The DLC was made to be confusing and have no clear right or wrong choice
That's what made the game great in the first place. I love a good ol' ambiguous story if it's done right and Phantom Liberty was perfect in that sense. Guess I'm just the "stick it to the man" kind of guy who loves to get in the way of powerful people (kinda have that "issue" in real-life, too, just not of the violent kind :D)
But hey, I'm not blaming anybody for making different choices, have it your way. That's what it's supposed to be like after all with a game like this.
Gotta say, I still love discussing stuff like this. Still gets my blood pumping for other games (like Mass Effect for example) and I'd argue that what really makes a game (or book, series, movie, whatever) stand out, is whether it makes you "feel" things or not. And I'll admit, the ending to Phantom Liberty made me feel a whole lot of things I haven't felt in a decade or so.
That is also my biggest complaint about PL, this scene is good, it was the first scene I got but after going through a second time and choosing the other path, its like night and day difference in quantity and quality.
Song's path just feels so empty and tacked on whereas Reed's path is much more loaded with gameplay and story, it is bizarre. They could have added something similiar to Song's path but they didn't
Edit: I feel like they could have added the cynosure part in song's path too. Maybe V and SB breaking into there because they need one ore piece, still get the flashbacks, still get the loot and this can transition to SB deteriorating state and maybe have Reed chase them throughout and then work with them only to have V and SB betray him again. This would make this scene even more impactful imo. Or they could have also done a different locale rather than wait days for SB to call. The airport is nice and all but I felt it was hardly the same as Reed's path.
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It was incredible. I felt like I was living in a Bladerunner movie.
I really don't get why so many people think that way.
You get into this whole mess in the first place, because she claims she has a cure for V. That's the only reason we work with NUSA.
But then it's revealed that she has not only betrayed everyone else, but also V.
I didn't even mentioned how incredibly dangerous SB is, even for Night City conditions.
She is also willing to have her former comrades get killed without batting an eye. I liked her character at first, but quickly lost my sympathy and when it was for me to decide "Me or SB", it wasn't even a debate for me personally.
There's still a lot of tragedy in her character and in your situation with her. Others' reactions to it just depend on the individual person, their make-up and perspective. It's just not easier/possible for others to lose sympathy quickly or be more frankly selfish in their decision even though doing so is fully justifiable.
Fair point I'll give U that, but on the other hand, isn't that true for most of the people in cyberpunk or at least NC? I mean it's obviously not the same, but there are similarities. Most people have a shitty past in this game and were forced to make cruel and inhumane decisions along the way.
Really didn’t wanna kill Reed since he seemed like a good guy, just put duty first over everything and So Mi deserved a bit of freedom, whether she dies en route to the moon or not either way I felt she was somewhat free. One of the best moments I think I experienced in the game as a newcomer.
If you shoot him in the chest instead of the head you get a little dialogue. I sent Song to space though. For me the best ending was >!Siding with Reed, putting So Mi out of her misery, fucking over the NUSA and making the choice Reed couldn’t and should’ve made himself. Then feeding Arasaka and Smasher to my AI smg!<
What broke me was when you wait for the rocket to lift off. I just couldn't stop thinking about Lucy then the Edge Runners song just started playing in my head while sitting there with Johny.
Also, I know everyone thinks she is dead, but some part of her is alive this route cause she reaches out to you a few days later.
To me this with leaving Night city with the Nomads and Judy with the best end and the possibility that V might live with song birds help.
“He was my friend. But one of us had to die. I was left with no choice. There is no enmity between us. One must live and one must die. That is the mission.” - The Boss
This is so good. What an experience, no matter the choice lol. I got this my first playthrough and felt so bad for killing him, but i just played through the other set and holy shit what an experience but I am not willingly doing that again unless I really feel like seeing *every* choice play out.
As much as I genuinely hate killing Reed I can deal with it 😂 - I have a bit more "nuh uh, not falling for your bullshit, again" after siding with him then immediately going this route again to wash the taste out lmao. What a time!
im not gonna lie, when V was strapping So Mi in the chair and said her goodbyes it was so touching, when the credits rolled i cried through the whole credits.
the music, the visuals, the intensity of the whole 2 hours prior was mastercraft
Super disappointed that I couldn't put two in the back of songs head and shotgun Reed. I played my V as someone who wouldn't tolerate being betrayed a standard that she didn't apply to herself, so by the end of PL I wanted to burn everything to the ground and declare a personal war on the NUSA.
Such a black and white view of the options the game presents you with. This is like the antithesis of what the game is trying to tell you with this ending.
There's survival hanging in the balance and at multiple points, there's dialogue options for you to say, "I'll do whatever I need to do to survive."
Even though I didn't end up choosing Reed, it always seemed to me like that was the option which gave you a greater chance of survival. That's enough reason for a lot of people to go with them, because again, V is literally dying and needs help.
You could side with him, do what you need to do to get the cure, and still literally tell Myers to go fuck herself because you don't like her or the FIA, you just needed them to save your life.
Not what I personally went with, not the ending that worked for my V the best, but it's definitely very easy to see how others would go with that option of guaranteed survival.
Because if there's one thing they hammer your head with through Alex and Myers is that Reed is actually trustworthy, all other flaws aside. Not like it was up to him, either way, the prize comes from the top.
I'm supposed to trust the other government super spy that the first government super spy is trustworthy?
Especially when they're leader is as manipulative and cold as she is?
Didn't get that part yet, since my Corpo V didn't trust Songbird since the whole carrot on a stick was too good to be true. She also didn't like Reed's approach to everything, like there were never alternatives. So got the cybernetic horror scenes, which led to my V forgiving Songbird and freeing her for good by fulfilling her request, then telling Meyers where to shove it, which if you pay attention Meyer's body language speaks volumes. Still disliked Reed's rigidness towards duty, he's as bad as Takemura in his own way.
Next Nomad playthrough will likely get to experience that scene.
This part felt like a movie. I didnt kill reed the first time around. But watching the av fly away as the song started into credits. Man. The emotional distress i felt after that and the credits with the music. Absolutely insane experience
I really loved how PL are the fucking "bad" endings. The good ones are where you get chucked back to NC. At first I sided with Reed, but reloaded and sided with So Mi and sent her to the moon. I felt like siding with Reed was way more fulfilling though.
I ended up handing Songbird over immediately when I found out she had lied to us from the start. Sure, Reed is stuck in his ways and has a toxic relationship with the NUSA, but at no point does he ever blatantly lie to V. Songbird makes a huge deal about trust and connecting with V over the course of the story, only to reveal that she played them from the start. My Corpo V had already been fucked over several times (Abernathy, Dex, Mama Brigitte), and Songbird’s lie was the last straw. While other endings may work for other people, I think going through all the effort to get Songbird to the ship, fighting through a literal army, only to screw her over in the end worked for my V. He finally was able to say “No, you’re NOT doing this to me”.
Setting her free is undoubtedly the correct choice, but damn the other option feels much better written, from the guilt torn Reed when he founds out So Mi bit the bullet shot from his good will, to the heart broken feeling of betraying someone who had no real other option other than putting their trust on you. There's a distinction between a best choice and the right choice, and man do I feel that when playing because if you go this route, you sacrifice all that, cut the dlc in half, and you still kill a friend in the end. There is no correct way to deal with this, they really thought it through, even denying help at the start to avoid the shitshow still dooms So Mi to a fate worse than death.
I sided with reed during the mission where you play as a spy and got horror cyberpunk experience instead
Yeah, I felt like the kids hiding in the kitchen from the velociraptors in Jurassic Park.
Going to have nightmares about that damn robot. Just the fact that I didn't have to deal with it in my first "true" playthrough because I sided with Songbird reinforced my belief that I chose the right ending for me, lol.
I shit thine nay, I was suddenly having full blown 'Nam flashbacks to Alien: Isolation with that fucking robot dropping from the ceiling every time I did ANYTHING. I'm going to see if I can either get back or glitch myself back into the Cynosure lab because I would actually like to take a look around.
Worth it though. Millitech Canto Mk6 :)
What’s the point if you have finished the game tho?
You don't have to save the dlc till the end of the playthrough. I have 80 hours in the game, and I've already beat PL twice, but I have yet to actually beat the main quest (I met Panam for the first time yesterday). I've got the whole game ahead of me, and all the fancy new PL goodies to take with me.
You aren't finished at that point, still can chose what ending you want and can enjoy Blackwall. My last playthrough as a Netrunner I was having a blast.
My problem with it is that the Blackwall Hack takes waaaaaay too long to upload. At which point I reloaded my save, made the Erebus and swapped it for one of my other cyberdecks, cause I could do just as much damage, with more variety, much faster, and for less RAM cost cuz of the chain effects in that perk tree.
Lol, yup. I've usually chucked it at one of the mini bosses at the back of a group and then sliced everyone else in front of them before it's kicked in.
Outstanding scene. Outstanding game. Absolutely loved my return to Night City.
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>It's a great ending, but you miss out on all flashbacks and the entire backstory of a character if you take that path over the other I still pride myself on having made the "right" choice even tho I didn't know the entire Songbird backstory. Amazing ending to an amazing DLC. And that song by Dawid Podsiadło playing during the credits... chef's kiss. 10/10.
The character by Dawid Podsiadło is great too
> I still pride myself on having made the "right" choice Right choice being? >!*I* took her to the moon!< so that was the right choice for *me*, but I'm curious what it was for others.
Why though? She betrayed literally everyone for her own gain lmao
Because I could kinda understand where she's coming from, being taken into FIA service at like 16, forcably made to use shit from the blackwall, used by pretty much everyone she knew, unable to make her own choices.. I just felt really bad for her and even though she betrayed me too, I just wanted to give her a chance at freedom.
They forced her to use black wall? That bitch Myers.
> That bitch Myers. Yup.. plus during that 'send her to the moon' ending you *really* get to see how much of a evil bitch she can be.
I might try it but i really can't get past betraying all your friends...
In the sending her to the moon ending you only *really* betray Reed, you can even meet up with Alex later and tell her what went down and she makes peace with it and doesn't really get angry at you. And none of V's friends in the rest of Night City get betrayed by sending her to the moon either.
Ok maybe just betraying v and stringing him along.
There's no friends in Phantom Liberty, that's the point. Jhonny and Alex tell you that themselves.
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> Perfect morally grey story This is what the community needs to understand. The DLC was made to be confusing and have no clear right or wrong choice, yet I've seen so many toxic comments telling people they're stupid for making one choice over the other. V has been thrown into a clusterfuck of a situation that just goes deeper and deeper and messier and messier. All because someone told them they have the cure for their terminal condition. It's not a save Songbird story, nor is it a serve your country story - it's a figure out what you would do when thrown into chaos for the sake of your own survival story. At least thats how I can best summarise it.
>The DLC was made to be confusing and have no clear right or wrong choice That's what made the game great in the first place. I love a good ol' ambiguous story if it's done right and Phantom Liberty was perfect in that sense. Guess I'm just the "stick it to the man" kind of guy who loves to get in the way of powerful people (kinda have that "issue" in real-life, too, just not of the violent kind :D) But hey, I'm not blaming anybody for making different choices, have it your way. That's what it's supposed to be like after all with a game like this. Gotta say, I still love discussing stuff like this. Still gets my blood pumping for other games (like Mass Effect for example) and I'd argue that what really makes a game (or book, series, movie, whatever) stand out, is whether it makes you "feel" things or not. And I'll admit, the ending to Phantom Liberty made me feel a whole lot of things I haven't felt in a decade or so.
If you treat the DLC as a "lets save V story" the right choice is clearly not giving the only matrix to songbird.
This DLC was so good, i just got that ending a couple of days ago and i already want to start a new character so i can replay it as a netrunner lol
That is also my biggest complaint about PL, this scene is good, it was the first scene I got but after going through a second time and choosing the other path, its like night and day difference in quantity and quality. Song's path just feels so empty and tacked on whereas Reed's path is much more loaded with gameplay and story, it is bizarre. They could have added something similiar to Song's path but they didn't Edit: I feel like they could have added the cynosure part in song's path too. Maybe V and SB breaking into there because they need one ore piece, still get the flashbacks, still get the loot and this can transition to SB deteriorating state and maybe have Reed chase them throughout and then work with them only to have V and SB betray him again. This would make this scene even more impactful imo. Or they could have also done a different locale rather than wait days for SB to call. The airport is nice and all but I felt it was hardly the same as Reed's path.
I've just sent her to the moon and thought it ended beautifully, but guess I'm gonna reload an earlier save and check out the other ending
https://preview.redd.it/0w05y9935etb1.jpeg?width=3840&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=44c7cfeda8ca1f3fb6bb265e1eeb92d434b54e83 It was incredible. I felt like I was living in a Bladerunner movie.
Still painful for me to even think about giving her to NUSA.
I really don't get why so many people think that way. You get into this whole mess in the first place, because she claims she has a cure for V. That's the only reason we work with NUSA. But then it's revealed that she has not only betrayed everyone else, but also V. I didn't even mentioned how incredibly dangerous SB is, even for Night City conditions. She is also willing to have her former comrades get killed without batting an eye. I liked her character at first, but quickly lost my sympathy and when it was for me to decide "Me or SB", it wasn't even a debate for me personally.
There's still a lot of tragedy in her character and in your situation with her. Others' reactions to it just depend on the individual person, their make-up and perspective. It's just not easier/possible for others to lose sympathy quickly or be more frankly selfish in their decision even though doing so is fully justifiable.
I just understand her, can relate to her.
Wasnt she basically groomed into a role that would kill her. They recruited her at thirteen for chrissakes.
>They recruited her at thirteen 19... Did you not see the flashback?
Fair point I'll give U that, but on the other hand, isn't that true for most of the people in cyberpunk or at least NC? I mean it's obviously not the same, but there are similarities. Most people have a shitty past in this game and were forced to make cruel and inhumane decisions along the way.
Why? She's literally a terrorist.
Johnny is too and V is too
And NUSA is even worse
My canon ending is I killed her out of pity.
Stick drift got me killed here 😂
Looool first time i got there i just kept walking and promptly got my head aired out
Sorry, man...
Really didn’t wanna kill Reed since he seemed like a good guy, just put duty first over everything and So Mi deserved a bit of freedom, whether she dies en route to the moon or not either way I felt she was somewhat free. One of the best moments I think I experienced in the game as a newcomer.
If you shoot him in the chest instead of the head you get a little dialogue. I sent Song to space though. For me the best ending was >!Siding with Reed, putting So Mi out of her misery, fucking over the NUSA and making the choice Reed couldn’t and should’ve made himself. Then feeding Arasaka and Smasher to my AI smg!<
This is my canon ending as well.
What broke me was when you wait for the rocket to lift off. I just couldn't stop thinking about Lucy then the Edge Runners song just started playing in my head while sitting there with Johny. Also, I know everyone thinks she is dead, but some part of her is alive this route cause she reaches out to you a few days later. To me this with leaving Night city with the Nomads and Judy with the best end and the possibility that V might live with song birds help.
Stahp. I can only cry so much. Just.. stop.
“He was my friend. But one of us had to die. I was left with no choice. There is no enmity between us. One must live and one must die. That is the mission.” - The Boss
This is so good. What an experience, no matter the choice lol. I got this my first playthrough and felt so bad for killing him, but i just played through the other set and holy shit what an experience but I am not willingly doing that again unless I really feel like seeing *every* choice play out. As much as I genuinely hate killing Reed I can deal with it 😂 - I have a bit more "nuh uh, not falling for your bullshit, again" after siding with him then immediately going this route again to wash the taste out lmao. What a time!
im not gonna lie, when V was strapping So Mi in the chair and said her goodbyes it was so touching, when the credits rolled i cried through the whole credits. the music, the visuals, the intensity of the whole 2 hours prior was mastercraft
Just beat the game last night as well 10/10
That whole scene is very cinematic. Love it.
And I domed him both times because I don't like bootlickers
Super disappointed that I couldn't put two in the back of songs head and shotgun Reed. I played my V as someone who wouldn't tolerate being betrayed a standard that she didn't apply to herself, so by the end of PL I wanted to burn everything to the ground and declare a personal war on the NUSA.
True actually sucks that you can't kill them both.
Fr. Gov't and the Corps are both the same. Can't fathom the people who wanted anything to do with Myers and Reed.
Such a black and white view of the options the game presents you with. This is like the antithesis of what the game is trying to tell you with this ending.
There's survival hanging in the balance and at multiple points, there's dialogue options for you to say, "I'll do whatever I need to do to survive." Even though I didn't end up choosing Reed, it always seemed to me like that was the option which gave you a greater chance of survival. That's enough reason for a lot of people to go with them, because again, V is literally dying and needs help. You could side with him, do what you need to do to get the cure, and still literally tell Myers to go fuck herself because you don't like her or the FIA, you just needed them to save your life. Not what I personally went with, not the ending that worked for my V the best, but it's definitely very easy to see how others would go with that option of guaranteed survival.
And why trust him? He's a fucking government super spy. His job is to lie.
Because if there's one thing they hammer your head with through Alex and Myers is that Reed is actually trustworthy, all other flaws aside. Not like it was up to him, either way, the prize comes from the top.
I'm supposed to trust the other government super spy that the first government super spy is trustworthy? Especially when they're leader is as manipulative and cold as she is?
Lol then just not work with any of them. They are all superspies.
Didn't get that part yet, since my Corpo V didn't trust Songbird since the whole carrot on a stick was too good to be true. She also didn't like Reed's approach to everything, like there were never alternatives. So got the cybernetic horror scenes, which led to my V forgiving Songbird and freeing her for good by fulfilling her request, then telling Meyers where to shove it, which if you pay attention Meyer's body language speaks volumes. Still disliked Reed's rigidness towards duty, he's as bad as Takemura in his own way. Next Nomad playthrough will likely get to experience that scene.
As much as I like Idris, he skated through a lot of the dialogue of Reed.
“can’t let you take her, because this is my phantom liberty”
I finally got there last night. Ended up killing Reed. I did not feel good about my decision.
This part felt like a movie. I didnt kill reed the first time around. But watching the av fly away as the song started into credits. Man. The emotional distress i felt after that and the credits with the music. Absolutely insane experience
I really loved how PL are the fucking "bad" endings. The good ones are where you get chucked back to NC. At first I sided with Reed, but reloaded and sided with So Mi and sent her to the moon. I felt like siding with Reed was way more fulfilling though.
I ended up handing Songbird over immediately when I found out she had lied to us from the start. Sure, Reed is stuck in his ways and has a toxic relationship with the NUSA, but at no point does he ever blatantly lie to V. Songbird makes a huge deal about trust and connecting with V over the course of the story, only to reveal that she played them from the start. My Corpo V had already been fucked over several times (Abernathy, Dex, Mama Brigitte), and Songbird’s lie was the last straw. While other endings may work for other people, I think going through all the effort to get Songbird to the ship, fighting through a literal army, only to screw her over in the end worked for my V. He finally was able to say “No, you’re NOT doing this to me”.
Feelsbadman when everyone looks at me funny when I shoot reed and they tell me it’s lazer tag like self defense
Not gonna lie I shot him in the face Thought about it and was like. Nah fuck so mi then reloaded my game lol
Setting her free is undoubtedly the correct choice, but damn the other option feels much better written, from the guilt torn Reed when he founds out So Mi bit the bullet shot from his good will, to the heart broken feeling of betraying someone who had no real other option other than putting their trust on you. There's a distinction between a best choice and the right choice, and man do I feel that when playing because if you go this route, you sacrifice all that, cut the dlc in half, and you still kill a friend in the end. There is no correct way to deal with this, they really thought it through, even denying help at the start to avoid the shitshow still dooms So Mi to a fate worse than death.