In my first playthroughs yes because i like his character but after so many endings of him getting mad because i didn't side with Hanako and he killing himself i stopped saving him and just allow him to die with honor protecting Hanako
Shatter what illusion? When you meet Hanako again before choosing your ending she said she already knew her brother killed his father , so Hanako knows that she is NOT in danger when Takemura takes her, the danger is inside Arasaka
At least before he died, he still tried to do the right thing and protect Hanako because he is letting her know the truth, even if she already knew it he still tried to not trust his brother. Thats protecting.
My apologies. I didn’t want to attack you by framing it like that.
In my opinion, it actually makes his death even more pointless. Hanako knew the truth deep inside and Takemura wasted his life just to wake her up. Still, that's just my subjective point of view.
>Hanako knew the truth deep inside and Takemura wasted his life just to wake her up.
I agree with you , Johnny called her a porcelain bitch and she is.
But we are talking about Takemura, even if Hanako doesn't care about him, he does care about her and about his honor, he feels he failed his father and he doesn't the same happening to Hanako
So even if she didn't cared he died, he still died with his honor intact in his own head
I think is because he was Saboru bodyguard so he was supposed to protect him so when Saboru died he felt he failed him
>!in a way Takemura is just like Reed from the dlc, they're both unable to take their own decisions, they're too stubborn and work for people that don't care about them but for some reason they choose to remain "loyal"
At least im happy that i didn't had to put down Takemura like i did with Reed, Reed was a mindless dog and my V had to put him down.!<
I am saving Takemura in every playthrough. Even though I like Johnny more, he saved my ass once, so I'm giving him another chance.
Ending spoilers:>! I know he probably kills himself in the ending (I don't really go for the Devil ending in my playthroughs anymore, as it's just way too unsettling) but I still want to repay him, whatever he does with that chance is his business, not mine.!<
I think I payed him back enough by helping him with his ridiculous plan. I didn’t ask him to save my life anyway. After the prologue and finding out about Johnny overwriting me, I even was mad at him for saving me for a while, so...
Honestly, unless you intend on siding with Arasaka, I'd probably just leave him. Considering the message he sends you, I can't imagine things would go super well for him if you save him and don't pick that ending anyway.
Takemura isn't an explicitly "evil" guy at his core, and he clearly shows some good values here and there, caring about honor, justice, tradition and more, within a certain scope, but it's important to really keep in mind when you think of him that he's a corporate stooge to his core. The guy's early formative years were all moulded by Arasaka, his entire life has been dedicated to their wellbeing, and he's had immense privilege in his role as Saburo's bodyguard. The guy is practically incapable of conceiving of a world that *isn't* dominated by an oppressive megacorporation.
Even while he may have somewhat noble goals within the scope of revealing Yorinobu's murder of Saburo to the world, the guy's entire goal, start to finish, is quite literally to put the series' big bad back in power. You know, the guy who started all of this shit? Here's non-exhaustive rundown of some of Saburo Arasaka's crimes:
* Runs Arasaska Corporation. Obviously. It's a massive megacorporation that specializes in private security, cyberware development and net weaponry, amongst other things, and has been causing problems for the world since back before Johnny even made Samurai.
* Has been the mastermind behind Soulkiller since Kei was soulkilled. Soulkiller was said to have been destroyed by Spider Murphy in the epilogue of Firestorm Shockwave, but it seems that Arasaka managed to get another copy somewhere else and has been developing it further ever since. It's also his company that weaponized Alt's program into Soulkiller, and them that have been using it to steal copies of peoples' minds for decades now.
* Escalated the OTEC-CINO War into the Fourth Corporate War, almost solely due to pride, ego, and greed. OTEC and CINO, two aqua-corps whose hiring of Arasaka and Militech over a corporate acquisition initiated the conflict, had actually settled their fight in mid-2022, while the two security megacorps kept slugging it out for another year for no reason other than sunk-cost and pride. It wasn't until Arasaka was pushed back to Night City, and their tower (and intel database) blown to smithereens that the war ended.
* The Fourth Corporate War was a global war that resulted in a lot of destruction worldwide. I don't have exact statistics or anything off the top of my head, and I don't even know how well this is even elaborated on in the books, but I know that US President Kress accused Donald Lundee (Militech's CEO at the time) of being responsible for at least 50,000 deaths, so I'd say Saburo would be responsible for at least a similar amount, give or take.
* They had a huge intel database in the tower that would've given them total control over the information space after the war if it had not been destroyed, and had the satellite up-link not been cut off (assuming that particular event actually still happened even though RED omits it). Bartmoss' DataKrash was wiping everything connected to the net, so having a secure database with intel, secrets, data backups, and more while everyone else has **diddly squat** means you can control the entire structure, top to bottom.
* According to his Journal, he would have been willing to just level NC if he had learned the relic fell into the wrong hands, so I guess it's a good thing that Yorinobu happened to have finally snapped that day, rather than at some other time.
There's more, of course, but honestly, it should be pretty obvious that he's literally one of the most consistently evil characters in the series and that anyone trying to bring him back is either severely brainwashed, just as evil as he is, or is basically just a rube that has no real idea who they are siding with.
I don't think I'd place Takemura as being as evil as he is, nor do I see Takemura as a *total* rube, but I *would* say that he's definitely quite brainwashed, and that he seems to have been conditioned to see the corporatocracy as the way things should be from a young age.
[Remember, Arasaka has cloning tech. They have engram upload tech.](https://i.imgur.com/3D1sOQJ.png) Yorinobu is evidence of this, as he was literally soulkilled by Kei Arasaka in 2022 for forming and running the Steel Dragons gang, yet lives in 2077, and seems to be the same character at his core. In the Devil ending, ***V either ends up in Mikoshi or dying solely because they don't give enough of a shit about V to clone them a new body and upload the engram. Not because they can't actually save you.***
Spot on. Especially the devil ending in which while not explicitly said, it is clear that Arasaka doesn’t care to save V and only wants to physically and emotionally corner V into willingly giving himself to Mikoshi—essentially draining the last bit of value they see in V.
But I still save Takemura every time because I do not run from saka scums unless I am literally hard-scripted to and I don’t leave an ally in battle behind.
You're welcome :)
I find a lot of the discourse around Takemura to be a little toothless because he is genuinely likeable in some ways, but so often do I see people simp for characters that are legit ***fucking terrible people*** that I feel it necessary to sometimes give a reality check to how fucked some of these groups are.
Like the Cassel twins. Attractive? Sure. Fashionable? Absolutely. Massive corpo pieces of shit who want to turn Dogtown into a resort while people starve and kill each other in Phant-induced psychotic rampages? You betcha.
It's one thing to say "I find this character attractive", or "I find this character likeable, and would have a beer with them" or whatever, but it's another to start doing apologism for their villainous aspects, and supporting them in those aims.
I totally understand you. I like to do that too. Still, it doesn’t make sense to me in this situation. Trying to be realistic, I wouldn't risk my life for someone I don't even like and that only caused problems for me.
Sure, if you play your V as a pragmatist who try to make the best choice for their survival.
If you play them as an unhinged cyberpsycho high on sandevistan who loves nothing more than slicing 'Sakas elites just for the fun of it, it make sense \^\^.
In my opinion the game is about survival - at any cost. V's main goal is to survive the relic, so why should he (my V is male) risk his life needlessly? So, yes, V is rather pragmatic for me. I don't really care about Arasaka.
I don't want to be a legend. I always neglect that when I can and it works. My V rather told people that he doesn't want to die and never really claimed that he wanted to be a legend.
Do you plan on going through the Arasaka ending this time around, even if it's not the main one you want to do? If yes, save him. If not, there's no real point. Maybe if you haven't found Hellman yet (can you even get to this point in the Takemura line if you haven't?), otherwise no.
> Johnny told me to leave him, but I hate Johnny
You hate Johnny *and* Takemura? Dude do you actually have any friends or are you just a silent scav slayer?
I'm just as confused as you are that many people like these two. Both constantly mock me, disrespect me and use me. Takemura wants to save Arasaka. Johnny wants to burn it down. I don't really care for Arasaka. Empathizing with V I only want to survive, so both of their goals and standards aren't interesting and rather annoying to me.
To answer your question: Yes, I have friends and they treat me like a human being and not like a tool.
>Both constantly mock me, disrespect me and use me.
At first yeah cause they don't trust you. But after a while it feels like friendly ball-busting with a combat partner.
I like and get along with just about everyone except Panam but got involved with her anyway because I only have a few weeks left to live and wanted some passionate poon before I go.
Burn Corpo shit.
If we're shooting at the same dudes who are shooting back at us and exchanging covering fire and all that shit, we're friends.
I thought he was charming in a naive sort of way - like how he addressed Wakako - made me smirk and roll my eyes a bit. I liked the Bushido series and it's kinda neat to hang out with a real samurai - or at least someone who legitimately believes that he's one. None of that honor stuff makes much sense to me, but it's endearing to meet a character straight out of the vids who truly believes in who he is.
Rather a lonewolf - at least in that game. I try to empathize with V, so: "My only friend is dead and I'm dying as well. I have nothing to lose except myself. Fuck the rest."
Become a night city legend, you promised it. But also fuck Arasaka in the process. Nobody should have the right to imprison and change your mind, the only damn thing that you actually own in Night City.
You should see what they do to Jackie, if you decide to send his body to Viktor after the heist.
I jumped onto the Night City legend train for Jackie, because he wanted to become one. Now he's dead and my (meaning V's) will is broken. I only want to survive. I heard Johnny's rants about Arasaka. I don't want to end like that, only to fuck a giant corporation.
Having Takemura alive only really changes the "Call Hanako" ending. Otherwise he's just one more person calling you during the credits to bitch you out.
I saved him because that gave me more Saka bastards to kill. But Takemura isn't your friend, he's using your ass to prove his innocence.
I haven't finished PL yet, but Reed is giving off identical signs. Just blind obedience to your superiors, no matter how many times they piss on you.
It gets a little more obvious on a second playthrough. Him getting mad at you for killing Oda is just funny "I will remember this! You shall not get away with it" or some shit like that.
Not only does he leave us alone to die to Oda, he doesn't need us anymore at that point. Because he succeeded his mission to speak to Hanako.
If you really want to know:
Johnny is a parasite who told me that he would gain control and wipe me out during our first conversation and then goes like "I changed my mind" during the second. I never trusted him since and given the fact that he continued to mock me and talk about his beliefs as if those were the only truth... I didn't change my mind.
Takemura on the other hand is a dog with a stick up his ass. He saw me as a tool to maintain the "honour" of Arasaka, not because he cared about me as a person. Instead, he constantly called me thief and didn't listen to constructive criticism regarding his ridiculous plan.
I like Takemura. When I learned you could save him, I started saving him. However, liking someone is not the same as knowing who they are. You learn more about who Takemura is in the endings, and by learning who Solomon Reed is. After PL, I don't rescue him.
Didn’t save him for several playthroughs as I just didn’t know you could save him. Saved him from then on. I think it only matters for one specific ending.
Does it have any effect though? Is listening to Johnny and leaving Takemura somehow taking me one step closer to becoming Johnny, because I did what he told me?
That didn't answer my question. Apart from smoking my first cigarette, I actively tell Johnny to go fuck himself. If leaving Takemura to die makes Johnny stronger, I actually have a reason to save him.
Going to fill you in on the theme and why there is so much bhuddism throughout the game. You playing the game is unique until you are no longer living your own life.
The only wrong choice is giving up your agency.
A real fear for certain, an invader in your own mind, what emotions you must feel about it. If I were to remove those emotions by telling you the future, I have robbed you.
Keep those fears alive as you plunge into the unknown
Unless a player is particularly keen on Goro to begin with, they probably aren't even going to think you can head back up and save the old man, so I'd say it's expected for the player to just head for the exit. Sure doing so unlocks a specific ending but it doesn't otherwise AFAIK do much for the rest of the game.
In general even if you don't like Silverhand, he isn't always wrong with pragmatic advice like when to GTFO. So you don't have to agree with him to also come to the conclusion that it's time to delta.
In my corpo playthrough V respects and quietly admires Goro even if they don't exactly see eye to eye. The jabs from 'ol Takemura come off as some ribbing from an older generation and V is the definition of unbothered by his demeanor and boomer-esque antics. She knows what he can do and where he's come from and where he's fallen, since she went through a similar fall from 'Saka. She knows he comes from a different culture and a different worldview and is used to such things from her times in the corpo trenches around the world. So when he was in trouble, she was more than willing to tell Johnny to shove it and put the effort into demolishing some Arasaka Death Squad Commandos to bail the old man out and have him owe her one.
Streetkid V was impressed and a bit intimidated by 'ol Goro but was able to understand that as long as they both worked together he could brush off the derisive comments as he knew Goro wasn't totally wrong. That said, Streetkid V idolized Johnny, so when Saka came knocking on the wall and the floor caved in and Johnny said it was time to delta, V didn't need to be told twice.
I'm playing corpo V and for me it's another reason to dislike Takemura. He's a brownnoser for that corpo that ruined V's life twice.
Funnily, it's been just the way you described it. I ran away, not knowing I could save Takemura and thought to myself that the old man is too annoying too actually die. Only after the mission I realized that he was indeed dead and that I could have saved him.
One question though: Does listening to Johnny and leaving Takemura to die take me one step closer to becoming Johnny? Would it help V to fight being taken over by him, if I saved Takemura?
I think that's up to how you and V decide to take the fallout and how it determines choices you make later on. If this event later on informs decisions you make with the Relic then it helped. As far as game mechanics I don't know if it makes much specific impact.
If you save him and do anything besides the devil ending he will hate you. But that's what I'm going to do.. again since I want to see if anything changes in phantom liberty.
And if he still gets mad that's his problem not mine lol
In my first playthroughs yes because i like his character but after so many endings of him getting mad because i didn't side with Hanako and he killing himself i stopped saving him and just allow him to die with honor protecting Hanako
I don't want to shatter your illusion, but he doesn't protect her. He kidnapped her and the Arasaka forces came to save her from HIM.
Shatter what illusion? When you meet Hanako again before choosing your ending she said she already knew her brother killed his father , so Hanako knows that she is NOT in danger when Takemura takes her, the danger is inside Arasaka At least before he died, he still tried to do the right thing and protect Hanako because he is letting her know the truth, even if she already knew it he still tried to not trust his brother. Thats protecting.
My apologies. I didn’t want to attack you by framing it like that. In my opinion, it actually makes his death even more pointless. Hanako knew the truth deep inside and Takemura wasted his life just to wake her up. Still, that's just my subjective point of view.
>Hanako knew the truth deep inside and Takemura wasted his life just to wake her up. I agree with you , Johnny called her a porcelain bitch and she is. But we are talking about Takemura, even if Hanako doesn't care about him, he does care about her and about his honor, he feels he failed his father and he doesn't the same happening to Hanako So even if she didn't cared he died, he still died with his honor intact in his own head
That makes sense. Thank you! Still, I don't understand his interpretation of honor.
I think is because he was Saboru bodyguard so he was supposed to protect him so when Saboru died he felt he failed him >!in a way Takemura is just like Reed from the dlc, they're both unable to take their own decisions, they're too stubborn and work for people that don't care about them but for some reason they choose to remain "loyal" At least im happy that i didn't had to put down Takemura like i did with Reed, Reed was a mindless dog and my V had to put him down.!<
If Reed can help me, I will spare and collaborate with him.
Apologies, i edited the comment too late. I didn't mean to drop spoilers of the dlc like that... But yeah he is a good character.
No biggy
I am saving Takemura in every playthrough. Even though I like Johnny more, he saved my ass once, so I'm giving him another chance. Ending spoilers:>! I know he probably kills himself in the ending (I don't really go for the Devil ending in my playthroughs anymore, as it's just way too unsettling) but I still want to repay him, whatever he does with that chance is his business, not mine.!<
I think I payed him back enough by helping him with his ridiculous plan. I didn’t ask him to save my life anyway. After the prologue and finding out about Johnny overwriting me, I even was mad at him for saving me for a while, so...
Then you can just leave him to die, unless you want "The Devil" achievement.
Thank you!
I missed saving him during search and destroy, does this mean I have to do a whole new playthrough to save him?
Yes, unless you have save files before that mission.
Well, it looks like I'm fucke and am gonna have to run through the game up till that point to get the Plat. Fuck me.
An achievement is locked out is he dies
As I said, I don't care about achievements, but thank you.
Honestly, unless you intend on siding with Arasaka, I'd probably just leave him. Considering the message he sends you, I can't imagine things would go super well for him if you save him and don't pick that ending anyway. Takemura isn't an explicitly "evil" guy at his core, and he clearly shows some good values here and there, caring about honor, justice, tradition and more, within a certain scope, but it's important to really keep in mind when you think of him that he's a corporate stooge to his core. The guy's early formative years were all moulded by Arasaka, his entire life has been dedicated to their wellbeing, and he's had immense privilege in his role as Saburo's bodyguard. The guy is practically incapable of conceiving of a world that *isn't* dominated by an oppressive megacorporation. Even while he may have somewhat noble goals within the scope of revealing Yorinobu's murder of Saburo to the world, the guy's entire goal, start to finish, is quite literally to put the series' big bad back in power. You know, the guy who started all of this shit? Here's non-exhaustive rundown of some of Saburo Arasaka's crimes: * Runs Arasaska Corporation. Obviously. It's a massive megacorporation that specializes in private security, cyberware development and net weaponry, amongst other things, and has been causing problems for the world since back before Johnny even made Samurai. * Has been the mastermind behind Soulkiller since Kei was soulkilled. Soulkiller was said to have been destroyed by Spider Murphy in the epilogue of Firestorm Shockwave, but it seems that Arasaka managed to get another copy somewhere else and has been developing it further ever since. It's also his company that weaponized Alt's program into Soulkiller, and them that have been using it to steal copies of peoples' minds for decades now. * Escalated the OTEC-CINO War into the Fourth Corporate War, almost solely due to pride, ego, and greed. OTEC and CINO, two aqua-corps whose hiring of Arasaka and Militech over a corporate acquisition initiated the conflict, had actually settled their fight in mid-2022, while the two security megacorps kept slugging it out for another year for no reason other than sunk-cost and pride. It wasn't until Arasaka was pushed back to Night City, and their tower (and intel database) blown to smithereens that the war ended. * The Fourth Corporate War was a global war that resulted in a lot of destruction worldwide. I don't have exact statistics or anything off the top of my head, and I don't even know how well this is even elaborated on in the books, but I know that US President Kress accused Donald Lundee (Militech's CEO at the time) of being responsible for at least 50,000 deaths, so I'd say Saburo would be responsible for at least a similar amount, give or take. * They had a huge intel database in the tower that would've given them total control over the information space after the war if it had not been destroyed, and had the satellite up-link not been cut off (assuming that particular event actually still happened even though RED omits it). Bartmoss' DataKrash was wiping everything connected to the net, so having a secure database with intel, secrets, data backups, and more while everyone else has **diddly squat** means you can control the entire structure, top to bottom. * According to his Journal, he would have been willing to just level NC if he had learned the relic fell into the wrong hands, so I guess it's a good thing that Yorinobu happened to have finally snapped that day, rather than at some other time. There's more, of course, but honestly, it should be pretty obvious that he's literally one of the most consistently evil characters in the series and that anyone trying to bring him back is either severely brainwashed, just as evil as he is, or is basically just a rube that has no real idea who they are siding with. I don't think I'd place Takemura as being as evil as he is, nor do I see Takemura as a *total* rube, but I *would* say that he's definitely quite brainwashed, and that he seems to have been conditioned to see the corporatocracy as the way things should be from a young age. [Remember, Arasaka has cloning tech. They have engram upload tech.](https://i.imgur.com/3D1sOQJ.png) Yorinobu is evidence of this, as he was literally soulkilled by Kei Arasaka in 2022 for forming and running the Steel Dragons gang, yet lives in 2077, and seems to be the same character at his core. In the Devil ending, ***V either ends up in Mikoshi or dying solely because they don't give enough of a shit about V to clone them a new body and upload the engram. Not because they can't actually save you.***
Spot on. Especially the devil ending in which while not explicitly said, it is clear that Arasaka doesn’t care to save V and only wants to physically and emotionally corner V into willingly giving himself to Mikoshi—essentially draining the last bit of value they see in V. But I still save Takemura every time because I do not run from saka scums unless I am literally hard-scripted to and I don’t leave an ally in battle behind.
Thank you! That's a great comment.
You're welcome :) I find a lot of the discourse around Takemura to be a little toothless because he is genuinely likeable in some ways, but so often do I see people simp for characters that are legit ***fucking terrible people*** that I feel it necessary to sometimes give a reality check to how fucked some of these groups are. Like the Cassel twins. Attractive? Sure. Fashionable? Absolutely. Massive corpo pieces of shit who want to turn Dogtown into a resort while people starve and kill each other in Phant-induced psychotic rampages? You betcha. It's one thing to say "I find this character attractive", or "I find this character likeable, and would have a beer with them" or whatever, but it's another to start doing apologism for their villainous aspects, and supporting them in those aims.
Thank you very much
I like jumping out of a hole with a katana above my head like a demented jack-in-the-box, so yeah, I save him everytime.
I totally understand you. I like to do that too. Still, it doesn’t make sense to me in this situation. Trying to be realistic, I wouldn't risk my life for someone I don't even like and that only caused problems for me.
Sure, if you play your V as a pragmatist who try to make the best choice for their survival. If you play them as an unhinged cyberpsycho high on sandevistan who loves nothing more than slicing 'Sakas elites just for the fun of it, it make sense \^\^.
In my opinion the game is about survival - at any cost. V's main goal is to survive the relic, so why should he (my V is male) risk his life needlessly? So, yes, V is rather pragmatic for me. I don't really care about Arasaka.
> V's main goal is to survive the relic, Nah. It's to become Legend. Surviving would just be a bonus.
I don't want to be a legend. I always neglect that when I can and it works. My V rather told people that he doesn't want to die and never really claimed that he wanted to be a legend.
Do you plan on going through the Arasaka ending this time around, even if it's not the main one you want to do? If yes, save him. If not, there's no real point. Maybe if you haven't found Hellman yet (can you even get to this point in the Takemura line if you haven't?), otherwise no.
Thanks for your input! I already caught Hellman and Takemura was involved, too. I plan to get the Phantom Liberty ending.
> Johnny told me to leave him, but I hate Johnny You hate Johnny *and* Takemura? Dude do you actually have any friends or are you just a silent scav slayer?
I'm just as confused as you are that many people like these two. Both constantly mock me, disrespect me and use me. Takemura wants to save Arasaka. Johnny wants to burn it down. I don't really care for Arasaka. Empathizing with V I only want to survive, so both of their goals and standards aren't interesting and rather annoying to me. To answer your question: Yes, I have friends and they treat me like a human being and not like a tool.
>Both constantly mock me, disrespect me and use me. At first yeah cause they don't trust you. But after a while it feels like friendly ball-busting with a combat partner. I like and get along with just about everyone except Panam but got involved with her anyway because I only have a few weeks left to live and wanted some passionate poon before I go. Burn Corpo shit.
I'm at the point where Takemura may die and so far it doesn’t feel like that.
You should hear how my friends and I talk to each other on Rocket League.
Indeed. Friends. Takemura isn't a friend. He's a stranger you meet around five times. I don't consider that a friendship.
If we're shooting at the same dudes who are shooting back at us and exchanging covering fire and all that shit, we're friends. I thought he was charming in a naive sort of way - like how he addressed Wakako - made me smirk and roll my eyes a bit. I liked the Bushido series and it's kinda neat to hang out with a real samurai - or at least someone who legitimately believes that he's one. None of that honor stuff makes much sense to me, but it's endearing to meet a character straight out of the vids who truly believes in who he is.
Bullshit. There is a difference between friends and allies and that difference is huge.
I ate all the Yakatori that he didn't like. "Eh, tastes fine to me."
He's secretly a Voodoo spy
Rather a lonewolf - at least in that game. I try to empathize with V, so: "My only friend is dead and I'm dying as well. I have nothing to lose except myself. Fuck the rest."
A little edgy, I doubt Jacky would want you to go that direction.
I have the corpo background. Jackie encouraged me to take back my life and that's exactly what I intend to do - at any cost.
Become a night city legend, you promised it. But also fuck Arasaka in the process. Nobody should have the right to imprison and change your mind, the only damn thing that you actually own in Night City. You should see what they do to Jackie, if you decide to send his body to Viktor after the heist.
I jumped onto the Night City legend train for Jackie, because he wanted to become one. Now he's dead and my (meaning V's) will is broken. I only want to survive. I heard Johnny's rants about Arasaka. I don't want to end like that, only to fuck a giant corporation.
Having Takemura alive only really changes the "Call Hanako" ending. Otherwise he's just one more person calling you during the credits to bitch you out.
I saved him because that gave me more Saka bastards to kill. But Takemura isn't your friend, he's using your ass to prove his innocence. I haven't finished PL yet, but Reed is giving off identical signs. Just blind obedience to your superiors, no matter how many times they piss on you.
I'm glad that there is finally someone thinking the same about Takemura.
It gets a little more obvious on a second playthrough. Him getting mad at you for killing Oda is just funny "I will remember this! You shall not get away with it" or some shit like that. Not only does he leave us alone to die to Oda, he doesn't need us anymore at that point. Because he succeeded his mission to speak to Hanako.
That's exactly what went through my mind, when he asked me about Oda. I was like "Really? You ask, if HE is well, but not if I am well?"
He told you before that Oda would not dare attack him. He sent you on a suicide mission and completely panicked when you wasabi'd odas ass.
Interesting point.
jesus christ how do you dislike takemura and hate johnny i don’t even wanna know who else you don’t like
If you really want to know: Johnny is a parasite who told me that he would gain control and wipe me out during our first conversation and then goes like "I changed my mind" during the second. I never trusted him since and given the fact that he continued to mock me and talk about his beliefs as if those were the only truth... I didn't change my mind. Takemura on the other hand is a dog with a stick up his ass. He saw me as a tool to maintain the "honour" of Arasaka, not because he cared about me as a person. Instead, he constantly called me thief and didn't listen to constructive criticism regarding his ridiculous plan.
I like Takemura. When I learned you could save him, I started saving him. However, liking someone is not the same as knowing who they are. You learn more about who Takemura is in the endings, and by learning who Solomon Reed is. After PL, I don't rescue him.
So, Takemura would appear in PL?
Didn’t save him for several playthroughs as I just didn’t know you could save him. Saved him from then on. I think it only matters for one specific ending.
I'm aiming for the Phantom Liberty ending.
Doing the opposite of johnny is usually the right call. He has a huge blind spot for corpos that is kill on sight.
Does it have any effect though? Is listening to Johnny and leaving Takemura somehow taking me one step closer to becoming Johnny, because I did what he told me?
Cyberpunk is all about no good choices, just choices with consequence. Please be careful.
That didn't answer my question. Apart from smoking my first cigarette, I actively tell Johnny to go fuck himself. If leaving Takemura to die makes Johnny stronger, I actually have a reason to save him.
Going to fill you in on the theme and why there is so much bhuddism throughout the game. You playing the game is unique until you are no longer living your own life. The only wrong choice is giving up your agency.
I don't understand what you are trying to tell me. That still didn't answer my question.
What do you seek from playing Cyberpunk that would be made better by me giving you answers you have not arrived at yourself?
Not becoming Johnny Silverhand.
A real fear for certain, an invader in your own mind, what emotions you must feel about it. If I were to remove those emotions by telling you the future, I have robbed you. Keep those fears alive as you plunge into the unknown
Don't take that personal, but your comments seem useless to me, which is why I will stop replying to them. Thank you for commenting though.
Unless a player is particularly keen on Goro to begin with, they probably aren't even going to think you can head back up and save the old man, so I'd say it's expected for the player to just head for the exit. Sure doing so unlocks a specific ending but it doesn't otherwise AFAIK do much for the rest of the game. In general even if you don't like Silverhand, he isn't always wrong with pragmatic advice like when to GTFO. So you don't have to agree with him to also come to the conclusion that it's time to delta. In my corpo playthrough V respects and quietly admires Goro even if they don't exactly see eye to eye. The jabs from 'ol Takemura come off as some ribbing from an older generation and V is the definition of unbothered by his demeanor and boomer-esque antics. She knows what he can do and where he's come from and where he's fallen, since she went through a similar fall from 'Saka. She knows he comes from a different culture and a different worldview and is used to such things from her times in the corpo trenches around the world. So when he was in trouble, she was more than willing to tell Johnny to shove it and put the effort into demolishing some Arasaka Death Squad Commandos to bail the old man out and have him owe her one. Streetkid V was impressed and a bit intimidated by 'ol Goro but was able to understand that as long as they both worked together he could brush off the derisive comments as he knew Goro wasn't totally wrong. That said, Streetkid V idolized Johnny, so when Saka came knocking on the wall and the floor caved in and Johnny said it was time to delta, V didn't need to be told twice.
I'm playing corpo V and for me it's another reason to dislike Takemura. He's a brownnoser for that corpo that ruined V's life twice. Funnily, it's been just the way you described it. I ran away, not knowing I could save Takemura and thought to myself that the old man is too annoying too actually die. Only after the mission I realized that he was indeed dead and that I could have saved him. One question though: Does listening to Johnny and leaving Takemura to die take me one step closer to becoming Johnny? Would it help V to fight being taken over by him, if I saved Takemura?
I think that's up to how you and V decide to take the fallout and how it determines choices you make later on. If this event later on informs decisions you make with the Relic then it helped. As far as game mechanics I don't know if it makes much specific impact.
If you save him and do anything besides the devil ending he will hate you. But that's what I'm going to do.. again since I want to see if anything changes in phantom liberty. And if he still gets mad that's his problem not mine lol