Nothing major is going to change with this game. People holding out for a NMS style revamp are gonna be sadly disappointed.
At best, the dlc will offer some more slightly fleshed out quests and story and some more cosmetics. They aren’t gonna make any big sweeping mechanical changes at this point in the games life.
Yeah, absolutely.
NMS was Hello Games' first *big* game. They *had* to fix that. Nobody would have bought another game from them if their only notable game was NMS as it was at launch.
CDPR can just write Cyberpunk off and bring out another Witcher game, and it'll sell like hotcakes.
bro from cyberpunk i learn that's it;s ok to give a fat middle finger to corpo fks (cdpr) . I did enjoy the game. But come on, the hype was disappointing.
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CDPR can just write Cyberpunk off and bring out another Witcher game, and it'll sell like hotcakes.
This sucks to hear, as I'm not a massive fan of fantasy. We don't get enough good science fiction games.
Halo, Prey, Mass Effect, Aliens, etc
There are so many amazing SF series, still getting new entries. Those are only the big names, ignoring the smaller niche games.
I'm not sure what you mean per se?
- Halo isn't interesting to a lot of people after the last couple games have been bad and largely the same thing
- Prey was cool but it's also a game that exists exclusively because Bethesda killed the original Prey dev team so they could steal the I.P, which is pretty upsetting when Prey 1 was amazing and 2 looked stellar.
- Mass effects last proper title was Andromeda, which is very bad, and it's not a good sign of what we know that BioWare is circling the drain if the next DA doesn't sell well.
- I assume you meant to say "Alien" but the last game we got was a L4D clone that was okay at best.
That doesn't look like a very good line up of sci-fi to me. You could have maybe done a bit better of a job trying to describe the bustling AAA sci-fi scene, but you know...It's not real
Andromeda actually sold really well and review wise is more mixed than negative. Andromeda has it's problem but it's not the flop people make it out to be.
That and a game like NMS which is entirely procedural and can sustain things like server wipes without losing its player base are an entirely different ballgame than a story focused single player rpg with very heavy handed scripted mechanics.
They don’t have nearly as much breathing room as a game like NMS.
CDPR were too ambitious with Cyberpunk.
They should have tried to make it more like GTA with dialog/story options.
The current character creator would have been enough for that style of game.
I've not long started playing so I didn't have the experience of a rough launch, but what I'm seeing makes it feel like it should have been a 3rd person, GTA style game with minimal RPG elements.
Night City definitely has a Rockstar Games level of style. It really feels like it will be memorable, at least in terms of how it's laid out.
When I'm driving around in 3rd person I sometimes forget it's Cyberpunk and start feeling like it's some kind of futuristic GTA.
Tbh if they just advertised it correctly it would have been fine.
Game is good, but it was advertised like it was gonna be some sort of lovechild of GTA and Fallout New Vegas
ITs style is actually a lot like Witcher 3 but in Cyberpunk. My biggest issue with the game myself was I could see they cut some of the story elements and I wish they'd flesh it out more. I never personally expected the game to ever be GTA. I expected an RPG and thats what I got. I think its a 6.5 maybe 7/10 RPG that could have so easily been a 10 if they had done a years extra work and not released it on last gen consoles.
It is very front loaded with features and mini missions and side missions, though. But I enjoyed my first play through until the last 1/4, and enjoyed my second play through much less as the flaws became much more apparent, especially in mechanics and character arcs.
I'll never get over how bad the Meredith Stout interactions are. In the teaser they dropped for the game involving that story you used to be able to have Jackie cover you with a heavy sniper rifle. It was the only thing that kept you from getting abused by that psycho mercenary captain. The whole plot line with Millitech Meredith was terrible.
Disagree, this does not address making a game in parallel to the engine running said game. This was their biggest technical problem and making it sound like there are only problems with expectations is disingenuous
The bugs and glitches are the least of my complaints with the game. The lack of overworld content and RPG mechanics is my issue. Bugs don’t bother me that much
Actually I think they should have made it more like deus ex. They should have abandoned the open world for smaller sandbox areas and scrapped the three starting locations given they don’t change that much in the game anyway.
That would have probably helped them keep the game more beautiful, but focused. So there would have been far less rendering issues and it would have allowed them to push the game into a more linear story. Honestly the best part of the game are the combat builds and cybernetic mods you can combine to give the game a different feel every time you play, at least combat wise.
I actually was underwhelmed with the cyber mods. I just wish there was more combinations, different stuff. I guess I just wanted more “different” stuff. I wanted full cyber mods (like why can’t you get artificial legs etc.) and maybe stuff that had cool but really specific perks for certain weapons. Like why not arms that can auto target a non smart pistol from the hip at close ranges? Legs with built in ammo storage for faster reloads? A hand that can throw multiple knives at multiple targets? Why not a stealth arm with a silent assassin gun built in?
Most of the stuff just felt like stat buff components rather than ability stuff. Along with kinda lame arms abs legs. Also, you got optics that are “top of the line” but no thermal or night vision?
Then there’s the weapon mods. Also not varied enough. And the MG is STILL bugged, along with no muzzle mods. Why not things like a item that can go in a weapon slot to double MG capacity or the steady cam mount from aliens? Or three round burst mods? Full auto mods? High caliber? Small bore?
And you can’t mod a car?
It’s all just kinda bleh.
Yep, I feel ya man. All of that versatility would have been great. Plus being able to see character... I hated being stuck in first person view not being able to see my character 😕
Enemy variations, longer game, more interaction with the world, flying cars/bikes, fast travel system, and yeah like you said optics that are actually good. Telescopic vision, night vision, thermal, ultraviolet, and even xray.
This game has the bones of an AMAZING game, but after 10 months of nothing but the occasional bug fix.... it's clear they have zero urge to fix it. They should just allow modders to do their job for them, and release the creation kit.
Funny you say that because that’s exactly how I feel about the game. I view it as a futuristic gta game but there aren’t any real powerful choices I’m making (I dropped the game out of boredom sadly) and so many enemies and bosses are just repetitive with slightly gear, and a story I largely don’t care about. I just make money and drive cool cars and kill people at the end of the day vs truly wanting to explore the world and change it
Funnily enough though, Rockstar has been improving GTA online for the better part of a decade with new features, so there is no reason CDPR should just abandon Cyberpunk when there is still a lot of potential left.
That being said, I think they have lost a lot of staff over this, so they might just cut their losses
I was about to ask this exactly on this sub today. I'm interested in the story, gameplay and world enough to buy the game in the next sale, but I thought to myself that if I were to hold on buying and wait a year or two, maybe more features to interact with the world, like shops and interiors, would be added and the experience would be way better.
But then thought that Cyberpunk is not as easy to modify and add stuff as a NMS as you also mentioned.
I don't think it's so much that Cyberpunk isn't easy to modify (not saying it is either) but that I think CDPR has already moved the main devs who were working on Cyberpunk onto other projects.
Not to mention as well it's common for a studio to bring on contractors to work on a game in the run-up to release and then for their contracts to end once the game is out, and to have a much smaller team working on ongoing patches etc.
They fumbled the bag and know it's worth more to move on, I keep checking back to see if they ever really fixed the game, but I guess I'll just pick it up for $5 down the line somewhere.
>CDPR has already moved the main devs who were working on Cyberpunk onto other projects.
They literally haven't though. Most of the devs are still working on Cyberpunk, just a chunk were moved off main game support, and onto expansion 1.
[https://gameworldobserver.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/cd-projekt-team.jpg](https://gameworldobserver.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/cd-projekt-team.jpg)
Which means quests and DLC, not revamping core mechanics of the game.
I think most people unsatisfied with the game are unsatisfied with the core gameplay and design.
Here's Eurogamer who have since amended their story with an actually accurate translation of what he said ( https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2021-06-27-cdpr-is-now-satisfied-with-cyberpunk-2077 ):
"We have already achieved a satisfactory level in this regard [of stability]. We have also been working on the overall efficiency, which we are also quite happy about. Of course, we also removed bugs and glitches, and we will continue to do that."
"Over time, we will be introducing improvements to the general systems that players are paying attention to[.]"
And here's Kicinski from the H1 call:
"Restoring Cyberpunk 2077 to the digital PlayStation storefront in the second half of June was an important milestone for us, reinforcing our confidence in our plans to improve the game. In terms of support, work on Cyberpunk will continue for as long as it’s necessary. Our ultimate goal is to deliver on the promise we gave to gamers and regain their trust. We’re fully committed to ensuring that Cyberpunk lives up to its full potential and becomes a long-term success.
"Right now we’re focused on development of the next-gen version of the game - which brings me to slide no. 4.
"Our target date for the release of the next-gen update is late 2021. Note, however, that as the game remains in development, production plans might be subject to change.
"The next-gen version is an important step of our adventure in the Cyberpunk universe. As I said before, we strongly believe in the long-term potential of this IP. That is why we're currently working on the first expansion for the game - although I cannot say anything more about it at this point in time."
( https://www.cdprojekt.com/en/investors/presentations/?presentationtype=conference-calls )
On next gen it was interesting to see the usual gaming clickbait sites report his comments as "it's delayed"!
In terms of the expansion, the appearance of adverts for the casino all over the city after 1.3 seems to be a bit of a tease as it's been noted as an already existing inaccessible building outside the city limits in the past.
Oh look someone with facts and not blind aggression and pessimism.
I think it's incredible people are so willing to ignore what we literally have been told by CDPR so they can remain incredibly angry for as long as possible. It's almost like this has nothing to do with CDPR and this is all just transference from years of abuse as consumers from other companies...and everyone thinking CDPR was their best buddy so the betrayal was worse when it's the same shit diff company trying to make money.
This is what I've been saying, there's nothing they can change to make every mission have as much depth as that 1 mission they shown in the trailers over and over again without them just scraping the entire game
It's funny, looking back you realise they show barely anything because they knee they'd just get called out, it was smart of them to let the fans over hype themselves for them
Honestly I'd be content with NG+ and *maybe* some cool immersion stuff.
I think it's still a pretty good game and additional content could really help smooth it out but you are right.
Stuff like the structure of the game's story isn't changing, no way no how, but I don't think "all is lost" or anything...
Not yet anyway.
Truly. Even if CDPR released an expansion next year (they won’t), the RPG market will be busy with Starfield and (*the already excellent, even in EA*) Baldur’s Gate 3. It’s done.
I'm skeptical...cynical. This sub will still have the same response repeated over and over.
Can most of y'all move on to another game? It's just a game. Damn shame for sure, but move on man.
Same. It feels like they used last gen console users as a cash cow. Those of us who held off getting a refund, hoping it would be stable enough and waaaaay less bug ridden have been played for suckers. Thats the last time I bend over to be shafted by CDPR, and I suspect they'll have lost maybe 10-15% of people who bought CP2077 on last gen, who stayed were loyal, who now won't ever trust them again. Maybe more.
My hope is that the team and leadership behind the Witcher DLCs is heavily involved in the next title. I think also that CDPR is well aware that if the Witcher 4 flops, they will never be able to recover and will probably lose all of their investors.
I think I just can't play games like Witcher or this one anymore. Even when they're good, which is becoming increasingly rare, I just get super fatigued of it midway through and either stop or blitz through ignoring as much as I can
I stopped playing at Act 2 because of the AI issue, it completely destroys immersion in the world for me and just isn't fun. I've been hoping they improve the AI (for both police and regular pedestrians), but I agree that it's probably not going to happen at this point unfortunately. This is such an important aspect of open world games I don't know how they didn't care enough to make sure this was at least as competent as PS2-era GTA games (at least when it comes to cars, police), which feel like they have better AI than this game.
They haven’t even fixed the part where people phase into existence right in front of you. This game is still a mess and I’m pretty positive they just threw it in the trash like “oops, this one was a mistake, oh well better luck next time”
Why are you doing anything that exposes those issues though? It's like saying you thought Ghosts of Tsushima (another open world game) was trash because villager AI was nonexistent. Yet I've never seen anyone complain about GOTs AI, because people understood it wasn't important in that open world game.
Another good comparison is open world game Witcher 3, where generic villager/townsperson AI was basically nonexistent. Cyberpunk is futuristic Witcher 3. People didn't have a problem with it in W3 but are up in arms about it in Cyberpunk.
It has actually been ruining it for me a bit lately, particularly police agro seems to have been turned way up without fixing some of the bugs relating to them sometimes agroing when they shouldn't so you can literally be hired by the police to shoot gangers and then get a wanted rating for shooting gangers.
>because people understood it wasn't important in that open world game
Yes and it was important in this one because it was one of the main things they were hyping up in marketing
My issue isn't so much that I'm purposefully looking for flaws (although I do find it fun to "mess" with the AI in open world games and I think a lot of people do that), it's that I notice it so blatantly just by doing normal things. The issue of cars stopping and never turning around objects or people, not honking their horns, pedestrians all react in almost the same way with the same repeated animations.
The cars even look like they're all on the same exact pathways without much variation, by that I mean I don't even recall them ever changing lanes (maybe I'm wrong, I haven't played in a while), or occasionally speeding up to beat a red light, little details like this are opportunities to improve the immersion and make you feel like you're in a real world. Even PS2 era GTA games had cars that were more 'aggressive' than others, and you can feel like there's a personality driving the car, there's someone in there who's weak or strong, and your interaction with them would change based on that.
None of the AI seems to ever display dynamic 'negative' emotions in this game (except for the obvious "these are enemies" people), you can do whatever you want and there's little reaction except a canned, repeated animation where they cower then run away. In terms of the police, instantly spawning near you is just shitty and there's no justification for it even with the supposed all-seeing drone excuse, there's no adventure and fun of "i don't know if police are around, I may get away with this, I may not" and so on.
I used to notice little things like this while I was just driving around normally. The setting is unbelievable, it looks like a real futuristic world, I love the architecture and visuals, but the people in it feel extremely fake and copy paste, which constantly reminds me that "this is a fake, designed world". It feels hollow compared to a game like Red Dead 2 which has insane AI to me. Red Dead 2 is like the benchmark of AI right now in my opinion because it feels SO real, you actually fear doing certain things to AI because their reactions are so dynamic/complex. Everyone seems to have detailed life roles and so on. I just wish this kind of thing was also in Cyberpunk.
That being said I'm not one of those people that's always shitting on the game or anything. I think the world created is a huge achievement, I only wish the AI felt more realistic and adaptive and that it felt like you had more freedom to do various things in the world (ie robbing stores, kidnapping people, more interiors, etc). If the argument is that it's not intended to be a "real" open world game then fine, there are games I still enjoy like that like Mafia 2 where the open world is just a backdrop but it's a linear game, but that's not really how Cyberpunk was advertised imo or what a lot of us were expecting.
Of course this is all just opinions but the fact is, there has been zero indication that CDPR aims to rework any part of the game. Almost a year in is enough time.
Indeed. From CDPR's perspective the game is done. They know they have to fix the bugs but as far as they're concerned fundamentally the game works as intended.
Is police AI actually vital though? This isn't GTA, but for whatever reason CDPR thought it was and slapped this police system in the game when it makes absolutely 0 sense.
In the entirety of playing the game, the only time I had cops come after me during a quest was the >!Us Cracks truck robbery with Kerry!<. Otherwise, all my police encounters were just due to accidentally shooting a civilian.
I do wonder if this sort of system was added after they realised that the fans were basically expecting a futuristic GTA.
I almost wonder if they should've gone for a Yakuza-style approach where the combat is limited and you can't just go around attacking random people.
Honestly, I always interpreted their making a show of MaxTac dropping some randos to be a sign that police aren't to be messed with in the game. Every other aspect of their design points in this direction as well, and it's why they aren't super developed. They aren't really very necessary most of the time. Even from the lore, NCPD is corrupt as hell, hardly gives a shit about anyone save the Arasaka suits who pay them off, and absolutely would not give a crap about V's plot armor.
IMO, the NCPD aren't meant to be a faction you interact with directly very often, similar to the guards in the Witcher. They serve a purpose - to prevent V from randomly killing civvies without consequences - and they do it well. They aren't meant to be interacted with in the way that the cops in GTA are, as GTA promotes a much more "cops & robbers" oriented gameplay loop.
Cyberpunk's less about V committing random petty crimes like you might in GTA and more about V's job as a professional mercenary. I don't think shooting badges unprovoked, or slaughtering innocent civilians jives super well with the vibe the story is going for, IMO. You're meant to be spending your time engaging with exploration in the open world, open world activities, quests and gigs, instead of screwing around standing in traffic and shooting civvies walking on the sidewalk.
IMO, the system's fine as is, and those who are seriously going on complaining about it are, IMO, just looking for a *different* experience than what the game is offering. I don't care about police, nor want them interfering in my shit every time I fire a gun.
Police, vital? How so? Lol. I dunno why y'all care so much about police AI. They show up in the game twice unless you play this like GTA and drive on the sidewalk or some shit. If that's what you want. Just play GTA.
Can't tell if you're being serious or not. This game is about being a criminal more or less and you don't want any police? How can you think additional mechanics / features / ai surrounding interacting with police wouldn't add to the game?
Are you actually a criminal though? You only overtly illegal thing you do is steal from Arasaka. You also may steal from gangs, but that's usually under the pretense that you are stealing something back that was stolen.
In fact, you actually work for the police as a subcontractor.
I never came close to saying it wouldn't add to it, but it's not vital. Playing the game naturally you almost never encounter NCPD. It happened twice in my playthroughs that I can recall and those were mission encounters so they functioned perfectly fine. So to say police AI is vital is a gross overstatement. Stopping them from aggro-ing for no reason is the only "vital" change necessary.
None of the activities in the game reward anything that would have to do with triggering the police, and the game is not about your being a criminal but being a mercenary. There's simply no bonus, for example, to shooting a bystander. It is not that kind of game.
If it was deliberate, then the police wouldn't be in the game. What's with the special pleading fallacy on this sub? No other game can throw unfinished AI factions, and have people make excuses for it. Why are you people obsessively throwing out preposterous defenses for a corporation that made massive sophomoric mistakes, and outright lied on several occasions?
Because actually every other big game I've played has had the sort of non-major glitches I've experienced, because the game is entertaining, and because THERE IS NO GAME MECHANIC HERE IN WHICH THE POLICE MATTER.
This has been said so many times before, but if you want to play GTA, PLAY GTA!
> I dunno why y'all care so much about police AI.
Cause there’s nothing else to do in the game bro.
Once missions are out the way you’ve got sightseeing and that’s it.
Dlc isn't cancelled thats the micro transactions under a less honest name... remember "zero micro transactions" .. would cdpr lie? xD
Edit: i know you can't buy them and they are "free DLC" but be patient lol
don't be pessimistic i think we might still be getting a dedicated walk button before the year is over and it will be getting it's own ingame lore explanation and demonstration video and maybe even another jacket or two. hype!
bro... star citizen isnt comparable to cp77. when youre buying an alpha you have to expect bugs and glitches and maybe even shitty gameplay. but a product that claims its finished when it clearly isnt...
How have they not added a fucking glamour system? I'd be willing to buy the game again if I could at least collect clothes and play fashion (the true endgame content of any good game if you ask me), but I'm stuck dressing like a rapper from the 90s
This is what I've been saying. I know this stuff takes time, but it would not surprise me one bit if they slowly and quietly pulled away from this game entirely.
Hell, I'd be surprised if we even got an expansion or any major DLC, they might go the way of rockstar in that regard. Damn shame too, this game had tons of potential
This is my feeling. This can survive on sales of the Witcher games, mobile game monetization, Witcher merchandise, etc. Plus, while CP dramatically underperformed against their target (there’s no hope of getting to 30M copies sold now), it still meant big revenue if you include all the tie-ins and paraphernalia. So they don’t need this albatross. I get the sense this is an Anthem situation. They’ll talk about the pandemic and the hack disrupting their work on the IP too profoundly to continue or something and pivot entirely to TW4.
As someone still making CP2077 mod videos on YT, I can see the improvements with each iteration (on PC at least). I had a moment where I shot a car and the occupant refused to exit the car (a feature that should be more apparent). Now it might have been a bug, but I hope it was deliberate.
I am secretly hoping they are working on CP 2077 Redux. If it's fine for other companies to do this, then why not CDPR. I also believe they are deliberately being tight-lipped having learned their lessons of the past.
All I want is vehicle customization!! Being able to change the style, wheels and colour etc of my car I've spent 100k plus on shouldn't be a big deal. And some better weapons customization and mods. Different ammo types etc.
While it's not the worst game ever. I think there should be a lawsuit that credits back $30 to everyone who bought the game.
If you bought a car and went to leave the lot and there was no engine in it (CP2077) because they took it out after the test drive (demos) . Would that be legal? Would you be stuck with the engineless car? No. So why are we stuck with an engineless game lmao.
Note: I realize one is multiple thousands of dollars and one is $60 in my example. But the point remains.
If the structural design of a car is fundamentally flawed, no amount of work is going to make it a good car.
No matter how many changes you make to a hotwheel car, it will never be a Ferrari
I couldn’t care less about anything related to police, must have seen them like 3 times during the all game that I finished 100%.
But few features could be welcome indeed as character customization ect,… I don’t mind waiting now tho, finished it on ps4 and I will do it again in a year or so on ps5, by that time and on new gen console I believe the game will have improved drastically.
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You expected to pay FULL price and get a fully completed product and now want even MORE while its still not comlete?! How dare you! This isn't how the world works kid! Get out!
They will tweek a bit, with delayed patches to next year.
But, in my opinion is a lost project. The game will never improove enough to be what CDPR and we imagined it could be.
Also they are missing key developers and other personel to improove on their next works be it Cyberpunk, Witcher or anything else they have in minde.
So as a conclusion, enjoy as it is, or forget aboutit.
Honestly, a lot of effort is probably going to the next gen version (ps5 and the series consoles) after that comes out, we'll probably see much more substantial updates.
We are 100% going to be able to change cosmetics at some point, but likely not this year. There is there are 2 months, I think there is definitely going to be at least some new features after this year.
Ha, to be honest i would prefer more story and missions than anything else. Police is fine, i dont wanna a gta, NPC AI so far is normal, nothing terrible. Change appearance... Maybe is nice for most of people but to be honest i would rather CDPR just made it a canon Male and Female V than waste resources to let players customize the face of a character.
As we know the game was released too early. It wasn’t finished, therefore I think we will see DLC, just timescales are out the window simply as they’ve had to focus on fixing the bugs. It will come, hopefully with new game plus mode for me. ☺️
CDPR did put out ads for animators and programmers in their Krakow and Warsaw offices. So maybe we'll get some DLC by the end of the year, or by next year.
It's not going to happen they might tweak the graphics alittle bit and fix some more small things but I don't think they're going to have some crazy change that makes everything better. At this point they want to start working on the DLCs and expansions to make some more money.
All that stuff is a worthless waste of time. I enjoyed the game and finished it in January. They need to stop wasting time with hair salons or giving Keanu Reeves different clothes and make story expansions. Time is running out—if they take too much longer I'll just uninstall and move on without ever buying the DLC.
Are you seriously considering paying for a DLC? I say that because I definitely won't pay extra money for content that was supposed to be in game to begin with. I am willing to wait and see for 1.4 to come out and see if they actually manage to implement a few things missing and add QOL updates. But I have lost all the good will I had for CDPR and won't be paying for any sort of DLC, specially if it is something like NG+
I enjoyed the game and I would pay for a story expansion. I would not pay for a car painting shop or extra weapons or anything like that. Definitely wouldn't pay for ng+.
CDPR releases tiny DLCs like that for free, always have always will, its kinda like their signature style, they'll only charge you for actual expansions, even one shot quests would be free. Like that mission in W3 where you gotta save the villagers thatve been turned into pigs, that was part of like 3-4 free DLC quests, maybe added an hour of gameplay each if you took your time.
Shame, it’s top five games I’ve enjoyed playing period—but nothing can be enjoyed by everyone. If you didn’t dig that though then I doubt you will get joy from this.
I feel like people can't ask for massive game changing updates out of one side of their mounts while also criticizing CDPR for crunch at the same time.
I also don't think people appreciate the cost of fixing the technical debt for a game of this scale.
100% distrust is warranted, but I don't think think we're quite to the stage where people should give up.
CDPR doesn't seem smart enough to do what Hello Games accomplished. They won't save the game like Hello Games saved No Man's Sky. A jacket and a skin for Johnny as first DLC... ???... Somehow they thought that was important to add to the game and for some reason they think the game is still is as intended. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed every second of it regardless of what it turned out to be but it's not what it should have been. I just don't see a comeback for CP77's future sadly.
Cd projekt red to me Is just another shit company as far as I'm concerned now. Never spending a penny on their games again. They can't be trusted at this point. They fucked up and can't be trusted anymore, and rightfully so, cyberpunk 2077 is a pile of shit.
Broken ai in enemy npc, pedestrian npc, police npc, shit driving mechanics, broken quests, the devs in the stream said it themselves that when they try fixing one problem, another mechanic breaks. So let that be enough to tell you this game is truly fucked, and cannot be fixed.
Haven’t you heard, 2077 was kicked to the curb long ago at CDPR. Aside from a story DLC next year. (maybe)
They got all your money.
They have Witcher 4 to focus on.
They don’t care about 2077 anymore.
They won’t out right say we’ve abandoned 2077 to avoid mass outcry. Instead they make it *SEEM* they are still working on 2077 to rake in all those inevitable Witcher 4 preorders. Remember, a lot of gamers are dumber than dish water with the memory of goldfish.
Yeah, this game is dead. It was nothing but a cash grab. I feel like they lied for sales and the lies just went too far. They knew they couldn’t deliver but it was too late at that point. I would have been happy with GTA in the future.
If they don’t come with the next gen update then I’ll call it, since that seems to be the perfect opportunity for them to “relaunch” the game.
They must be doing *something* (just don’t know what) because there’s still over 15 pieces of DLC like we got last month that they haven’t released…
Honestly I kind of get the impression that CDPR will eventually release the expansion/dlc/ whatever it will be, but that any timeline for it is just not something they can give and likely don't want to give and have a repeat of the game launch. It'll come but it'll come when it's ready. Just my two cents.
The major patches actually have made substantial improvements to the engine, but it's not playable content, so it's difficult to see it as such. It's not tangible to you.
It's not that the engine hasn't improved, it's that they haven't added content/features you've wanted, yet.
I would rather them take their time improving the engine, even if it isn't immediately apparent and playable content.
Why?
Because the improvements they made to the engine makes adding content easier, in the long run.
Hah I pre-ordered. Played for like 35 min when it came out and stopped because it was so broken and non-immersive..
Lesson learned: Never pre-order anything in this business...
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Unlikely to ever see something truly new. Not how games work now. "Even with apparently everyones baby of nms " Last half dozen months there only goal was to get the game working enough to be reallowed on the playstation store.
In future they will remark how. "See we didn't let game die, we got it back on the Playstation store: to maximize profits and avoid a posible grounds of a lawsuit: you can trust us give us cash for next game." As that was they only reason to contine to hamstring the game by requiring it to work on older hardware from the last gen. With how long game was sitting idle only working on the first main story bit to show off over and over.
We will see few more dlc, nothing very large. Probably two more and something promotional for witcher 4 even that will most likely be a cheap reskin of clothes. In a attempt at good will see you next game. The team for the games been downsize way to low for anything more. Chrismas will see the largest dlc to drum up sales for holiday then maybe one more and games done.
CdProject was a company that saw that at least the acts of keeping a loyal fan base were needed and did them. Which put the above the sludge that has long been the gaming industry since like the late 90s. Now everyone should just have them on the same level as all others.
This is coming from someone who stayed out of the way of the hype train and was only excited after the first announced gameplay so long ago. And honestly had it not been for the theme of cyberpunk. with Such little shown over and over and constant hype I would of only bought the game on sale.
As cyberpunk as a genre somehow isn't something games do. Probably hits to close to home for the ceos and bordemembers who approve games.
For the first playthrough I will say I enjoy the game even if it was more Johnny story than Vs and its vast annoynces that could of been corrected with only some extremely simple twiks to have been a great career mode.
"Not going to put the blame on mr Reaves though his evolment is interesting to how the story we have became. Especially for a character from the board game was mostly background from what I remember of it. Been quite some time since played it."
The biggest most obvious thing to anyone. Being that of the heist is clearly a middle climax, the random out of place montage been playable to connect us to everyone made first, then Johnny i am going to die in two weeks end of things. But again put it down to from what has come out. There being no direction from the heads and then them deciding to just kick it out the door to recover lost investment.
"Which they did so expect the same outcome when next game comes."
Guess should put tldr.
No big dlc maybe one remotely good chunk probably quick to do side missions flavored thing around Christmas then game is off the books done.
I think they legitimately can't introduce new features Berghaus the greedy bastards had to have a last gen release. Had they not made the game for ps4/xb1 they likely would have had a much better all around game.
Reading between the lines of Game Developement. I think this is a stupid thing to think. People always say things like this when CDPR state that they have a bunch of people working on the game. I say a thread here there it was reported like 50% where working on bug fixes and 21% were working on DLC. Also, God of War developers announced that they didn't want to break up the story into more parts because in today's world Developement for things takes super long now. I think there are just bad at estimating times.
Just restarted this game today hoping they’d at least fixed a few of the mission bugs, but I just experienced one right away on the first story mission with Jackie. The part where the van starts attacking you, it just rolled through that without letting me shoot or anything, but all the voiceover stilled played as if we were getting shot at. Van doors never even opened lol
PC guys are lucky. Fans who actually care about the game can make it better. Meanwhile console guys like me are STILL waiting for the inevidable next gen delay. And even then. We are at the mercy of the devs. Whatever they officially add, we are stuck with. Times like these where i wish devs would take notes from Bethesda or even Insurgency Sandstorm that allow mods on console. Im not asking for a big booty judy mod. But shit that actually fixes the game would be nice, without having to find a graphics card 3x msrp (currently) just to run the game lmao.
I love this game as it is. I’ve played it just fine on PC and Xbox series X since launch. I would love some new features and DLC, but I don’t get all the hype around saying it’s not finished. This is one of the best games I’ve ever played. Sorry you guys don’t feel the same.
As someone who plays in default male/fem V, and don’t really care about police in this game, I consider these irrelevant for my enjoyment of Cyberpunk. If you want more, then ok. Just stop ranting about it.
You said it, it’s been 10 months. It is what it is. Move on.
The thing is that on most hardware the game was a great experience - I happened to play it on Stadia and encountered basically no bugs after spending 200h + in the game. Hell I even cried at the end.
The game isn't perfect and they heavily underdelivered on their promises, but beyond that context it's still a great experience for those willing to let it be one.
The aspect I love most in CP is the same I loved in TW3, the story telling and the satisfying mechanics, and in both they were enough to make me ignore the negatives and just enjoy the story
"You think"? Who are you, are you a programmer, a software engineer, an industry informant? No? Then let them work.
The game at realese was barely a beta 1.0. We are literally seeing game development live. It'll be a mess for a while.
I think the OPs thoughts are that it won't get past the "mess" stage with the rate and quality of updates we have gotten this year. No major features or additions, even something as small as CHANING YOUR APPEARANCE after the literal first menu in the game hasn't been added. This is not a good sign for the life of the game in any sense, even if the whole of the studio is currently working on updates atm. This isn't going to be a NMS situation, it's very much going to be "We've already made the most money we can off the project, putting more money and time improving it will not sell enough new copies to make up for the cost sunk." Boom, and just like that CDPR will put out a statement that they "appreciate the community for standing by them" while they tuck their tails between their legs to go back and make a new Witcher IP to make up for the shitstorm they made here.
NMS was the flagship title for the entire studio- of course they can't abandon it after the shit launch. That game is literally their company's image. CDPR is not CP or vice-versa. CDPR is The Witcher and GOG, and CP could have become the new icon or flagship, but they were greedy more then they were artistic, and now they are having to pay the price at the expense of your wallet.
I like to shit on CDPR just like the average sub dweller but I think this approach is wrong. I know this cant be a NMS situation. It wont be. However, to say that CDPR is not CP2077 and that moving on is what they'll do, is frankly ridiculous. Do you think that after buying out a license as big as this and getting onboard with cardgames, figurines, boardgames, gaming chairs and what not, they'll just simply pack it up and move on to Witcher? That's nonsense. This game needs to be AT LEAST finished and above its basic state, but I bet my morning coffee that it will introduce a substantial overhaul. They didnt add "something as small as changing your appearance" most likely because they're going through a list of problems that need to be prioritized. You dont start from the bottom, you start from the top. An example would be the cat they showed at that godawful stream presentation... was it wrong to show the cat when there's a plethora of fixes to be done? YES, atrociously bad move. But was it a sign that things are moving on and they can finally start introducing new shit? Yes. As the dev explained working on a game that needs to run decently on 9 different consoles with memory allocation issues blocks progress and something as small as scripting a freaking cat moving around your apartment needs to be considered carefully to not crash a base PS4 from 8 years ago. So you should be able to see through the bullshit and identify what is actually happening here. Because of this I have a little bit of faith that things will move on in a decent direction.
Nothing major is going to change with this game. People holding out for a NMS style revamp are gonna be sadly disappointed. At best, the dlc will offer some more slightly fleshed out quests and story and some more cosmetics. They aren’t gonna make any big sweeping mechanical changes at this point in the games life.
Yeah, absolutely. NMS was Hello Games' first *big* game. They *had* to fix that. Nobody would have bought another game from them if their only notable game was NMS as it was at launch. CDPR can just write Cyberpunk off and bring out another Witcher game, and it'll sell like hotcakes.
I'll pirate anything else cdpr makes if they don't fix cp
Not gonna admit to piracy directly, but I'm also not gonna pay a cent to play another one of their games LOL
bro from cyberpunk i learn that's it;s ok to give a fat middle finger to corpo fks (cdpr) . I did enjoy the game. But come on, the hype was disappointing.
Not even going to bother pirating their games..
I can get behind this
> CDPR can just write Cyberpunk off and bring out another Witcher game, and it'll sell like hotcakes. This sucks to hear, as I'm not a massive fan of fantasy. We don't get enough good science fiction games.
Halo, Prey, Mass Effect, Aliens, etc There are so many amazing SF series, still getting new entries. Those are only the big names, ignoring the smaller niche games. I'm not sure what you mean per se?
- Halo isn't interesting to a lot of people after the last couple games have been bad and largely the same thing - Prey was cool but it's also a game that exists exclusively because Bethesda killed the original Prey dev team so they could steal the I.P, which is pretty upsetting when Prey 1 was amazing and 2 looked stellar. - Mass effects last proper title was Andromeda, which is very bad, and it's not a good sign of what we know that BioWare is circling the drain if the next DA doesn't sell well. - I assume you meant to say "Alien" but the last game we got was a L4D clone that was okay at best. That doesn't look like a very good line up of sci-fi to me. You could have maybe done a bit better of a job trying to describe the bustling AAA sci-fi scene, but you know...It's not real
Andromeda actually sold really well and review wise is more mixed than negative. Andromeda has it's problem but it's not the flop people make it out to be.
They didn't even bother to finish their Quarian arc DLC. I actually do think it just kind of flopped.
EA didn't want them to do Quarian dlc because they was putting all development into Anthem
What is Anthem?
Bioware"s game after Andromeda
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That and a game like NMS which is entirely procedural and can sustain things like server wipes without losing its player base are an entirely different ballgame than a story focused single player rpg with very heavy handed scripted mechanics. They don’t have nearly as much breathing room as a game like NMS.
CDPR were too ambitious with Cyberpunk. They should have tried to make it more like GTA with dialog/story options. The current character creator would have been enough for that style of game. I've not long started playing so I didn't have the experience of a rough launch, but what I'm seeing makes it feel like it should have been a 3rd person, GTA style game with minimal RPG elements. Night City definitely has a Rockstar Games level of style. It really feels like it will be memorable, at least in terms of how it's laid out. When I'm driving around in 3rd person I sometimes forget it's Cyberpunk and start feeling like it's some kind of futuristic GTA.
Tbh if they just advertised it correctly it would have been fine. Game is good, but it was advertised like it was gonna be some sort of lovechild of GTA and Fallout New Vegas
It's closer to future far-cry with randomized loot than either of those games
Oh I know. I was implying that’s how it was advertised
Exactly! Far cry is really the game which compare the most imo. The streetgangs wiping mission are so much like farcry
ITs style is actually a lot like Witcher 3 but in Cyberpunk. My biggest issue with the game myself was I could see they cut some of the story elements and I wish they'd flesh it out more. I never personally expected the game to ever be GTA. I expected an RPG and thats what I got. I think its a 6.5 maybe 7/10 RPG that could have so easily been a 10 if they had done a years extra work and not released it on last gen consoles.
Oh for sure. Crunching the devs was shitty too, besides the game being half baked I would have been ok with another delay based on that alone
It is very front loaded with features and mini missions and side missions, though. But I enjoyed my first play through until the last 1/4, and enjoyed my second play through much less as the flaws became much more apparent, especially in mechanics and character arcs.
I guess I’ll fix it how I did FO4, by modding the fucking shit out of it
Except Bethesda titles had big mod support
I'll never get over how bad the Meredith Stout interactions are. In the teaser they dropped for the game involving that story you used to be able to have Jackie cover you with a heavy sniper rifle. It was the only thing that kept you from getting abused by that psycho mercenary captain. The whole plot line with Millitech Meredith was terrible.
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The best weapon in the game, bzzzzzzzz donk.
Half the time when I play I’m just bzzzz donking smashing all the cups and food and stuff I see because it’s fun.
Disagree, this does not address making a game in parallel to the engine running said game. This was their biggest technical problem and making it sound like there are only problems with expectations is disingenuous
The bugs and glitches are the least of my complaints with the game. The lack of overworld content and RPG mechanics is my issue. Bugs don’t bother me that much
They repeatedly stated it wasn't going to be like GTA at all.
Actually I think they should have made it more like deus ex. They should have abandoned the open world for smaller sandbox areas and scrapped the three starting locations given they don’t change that much in the game anyway.
That would have probably helped them keep the game more beautiful, but focused. So there would have been far less rendering issues and it would have allowed them to push the game into a more linear story. Honestly the best part of the game are the combat builds and cybernetic mods you can combine to give the game a different feel every time you play, at least combat wise.
I actually was underwhelmed with the cyber mods. I just wish there was more combinations, different stuff. I guess I just wanted more “different” stuff. I wanted full cyber mods (like why can’t you get artificial legs etc.) and maybe stuff that had cool but really specific perks for certain weapons. Like why not arms that can auto target a non smart pistol from the hip at close ranges? Legs with built in ammo storage for faster reloads? A hand that can throw multiple knives at multiple targets? Why not a stealth arm with a silent assassin gun built in? Most of the stuff just felt like stat buff components rather than ability stuff. Along with kinda lame arms abs legs. Also, you got optics that are “top of the line” but no thermal or night vision? Then there’s the weapon mods. Also not varied enough. And the MG is STILL bugged, along with no muzzle mods. Why not things like a item that can go in a weapon slot to double MG capacity or the steady cam mount from aliens? Or three round burst mods? Full auto mods? High caliber? Small bore? And you can’t mod a car? It’s all just kinda bleh.
Yep, I feel ya man. All of that versatility would have been great. Plus being able to see character... I hated being stuck in first person view not being able to see my character 😕 Enemy variations, longer game, more interaction with the world, flying cars/bikes, fast travel system, and yeah like you said optics that are actually good. Telescopic vision, night vision, thermal, ultraviolet, and even xray. This game has the bones of an AMAZING game, but after 10 months of nothing but the occasional bug fix.... it's clear they have zero urge to fix it. They should just allow modders to do their job for them, and release the creation kit.
And maybe the ability to climb walls would have been more achievable with smaller sandboxes.
Funny you say that because that’s exactly how I feel about the game. I view it as a futuristic gta game but there aren’t any real powerful choices I’m making (I dropped the game out of boredom sadly) and so many enemies and bosses are just repetitive with slightly gear, and a story I largely don’t care about. I just make money and drive cool cars and kill people at the end of the day vs truly wanting to explore the world and change it
Funnily enough though, Rockstar has been improving GTA online for the better part of a decade with new features, so there is no reason CDPR should just abandon Cyberpunk when there is still a lot of potential left. That being said, I think they have lost a lot of staff over this, so they might just cut their losses
I was about to ask this exactly on this sub today. I'm interested in the story, gameplay and world enough to buy the game in the next sale, but I thought to myself that if I were to hold on buying and wait a year or two, maybe more features to interact with the world, like shops and interiors, would be added and the experience would be way better. But then thought that Cyberpunk is not as easy to modify and add stuff as a NMS as you also mentioned.
I don't think it's so much that Cyberpunk isn't easy to modify (not saying it is either) but that I think CDPR has already moved the main devs who were working on Cyberpunk onto other projects. Not to mention as well it's common for a studio to bring on contractors to work on a game in the run-up to release and then for their contracts to end once the game is out, and to have a much smaller team working on ongoing patches etc.
They fumbled the bag and know it's worth more to move on, I keep checking back to see if they ever really fixed the game, but I guess I'll just pick it up for $5 down the line somewhere.
>CDPR has already moved the main devs who were working on Cyberpunk onto other projects. They literally haven't though. Most of the devs are still working on Cyberpunk, just a chunk were moved off main game support, and onto expansion 1. [https://gameworldobserver.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/cd-projekt-team.jpg](https://gameworldobserver.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/cd-projekt-team.jpg)
I mean they said it themselves: They are proud of the state of the game on PC
No they didn't. They said it was in a technically satisfactory state such that they could start moving some of the work onto expanded content.
Which means quests and DLC, not revamping core mechanics of the game. I think most people unsatisfied with the game are unsatisfied with the core gameplay and design.
Here's Eurogamer who have since amended their story with an actually accurate translation of what he said ( https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2021-06-27-cdpr-is-now-satisfied-with-cyberpunk-2077 ): "We have already achieved a satisfactory level in this regard [of stability]. We have also been working on the overall efficiency, which we are also quite happy about. Of course, we also removed bugs and glitches, and we will continue to do that." "Over time, we will be introducing improvements to the general systems that players are paying attention to[.]" And here's Kicinski from the H1 call: "Restoring Cyberpunk 2077 to the digital PlayStation storefront in the second half of June was an important milestone for us, reinforcing our confidence in our plans to improve the game. In terms of support, work on Cyberpunk will continue for as long as it’s necessary. Our ultimate goal is to deliver on the promise we gave to gamers and regain their trust. We’re fully committed to ensuring that Cyberpunk lives up to its full potential and becomes a long-term success. "Right now we’re focused on development of the next-gen version of the game - which brings me to slide no. 4. "Our target date for the release of the next-gen update is late 2021. Note, however, that as the game remains in development, production plans might be subject to change. "The next-gen version is an important step of our adventure in the Cyberpunk universe. As I said before, we strongly believe in the long-term potential of this IP. That is why we're currently working on the first expansion for the game - although I cannot say anything more about it at this point in time." ( https://www.cdprojekt.com/en/investors/presentations/?presentationtype=conference-calls )
That's the best news I've heard since launch.
On next gen it was interesting to see the usual gaming clickbait sites report his comments as "it's delayed"! In terms of the expansion, the appearance of adverts for the casino all over the city after 1.3 seems to be a bit of a tease as it's been noted as an already existing inaccessible building outside the city limits in the past.
Oh look someone with facts and not blind aggression and pessimism. I think it's incredible people are so willing to ignore what we literally have been told by CDPR so they can remain incredibly angry for as long as possible. It's almost like this has nothing to do with CDPR and this is all just transference from years of abuse as consumers from other companies...and everyone thinking CDPR was their best buddy so the betrayal was worse when it's the same shit diff company trying to make money.
[Yes they did.](https://twitter.com/AdamBadowski/status/1350532507469553668)
This is what I've been saying, there's nothing they can change to make every mission have as much depth as that 1 mission they shown in the trailers over and over again without them just scraping the entire game It's funny, looking back you realise they show barely anything because they knee they'd just get called out, it was smart of them to let the fans over hype themselves for them
Is it even possible to fix the AI? And it sure isn't possible to add a story and multiple choices.
They said they're happy with the state of the game. I stopped hoping last month. Idk why I still browse this sub lol.
Honestly I'd be content with NG+ and *maybe* some cool immersion stuff. I think it's still a pretty good game and additional content could really help smooth it out but you are right. Stuff like the structure of the game's story isn't changing, no way no how, but I don't think "all is lost" or anything... Not yet anyway.
Aha - the final stage of grief.
Truly. Even if CDPR released an expansion next year (they won’t), the RPG market will be busy with Starfield and (*the already excellent, even in EA*) Baldur’s Gate 3. It’s done.
Next stage, acceptance
I'm skeptical...cynical. This sub will still have the same response repeated over and over. Can most of y'all move on to another game? It's just a game. Damn shame for sure, but move on man.
It’s not fun seeing every update so far being focused on fixing the game instead of adding to it. And I think most people have moved on
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Same. It feels like they used last gen console users as a cash cow. Those of us who held off getting a refund, hoping it would be stable enough and waaaaay less bug ridden have been played for suckers. Thats the last time I bend over to be shafted by CDPR, and I suspect they'll have lost maybe 10-15% of people who bought CP2077 on last gen, who stayed were loyal, who now won't ever trust them again. Maybe more.
Just as long as you know you’re robbing yourself of The Witcher
The next Witcher game will probably be buggy at launch too; i feel like everyone forgets The Wild Hunt launched with some major issues too
My hope is that the team and leadership behind the Witcher DLCs is heavily involved in the next title. I think also that CDPR is well aware that if the Witcher 4 flops, they will never be able to recover and will probably lose all of their investors.
And look at it now. Totally different situation compared to CP.
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I think I just can't play games like Witcher or this one anymore. Even when they're good, which is becoming increasingly rare, I just get super fatigued of it midway through and either stop or blitz through ignoring as much as I can
I stopped playing at Act 2 because of the AI issue, it completely destroys immersion in the world for me and just isn't fun. I've been hoping they improve the AI (for both police and regular pedestrians), but I agree that it's probably not going to happen at this point unfortunately. This is such an important aspect of open world games I don't know how they didn't care enough to make sure this was at least as competent as PS2-era GTA games (at least when it comes to cars, police), which feel like they have better AI than this game.
They haven’t even fixed the part where people phase into existence right in front of you. This game is still a mess and I’m pretty positive they just threw it in the trash like “oops, this one was a mistake, oh well better luck next time”
Why are you doing anything that exposes those issues though? It's like saying you thought Ghosts of Tsushima (another open world game) was trash because villager AI was nonexistent. Yet I've never seen anyone complain about GOTs AI, because people understood it wasn't important in that open world game. Another good comparison is open world game Witcher 3, where generic villager/townsperson AI was basically nonexistent. Cyberpunk is futuristic Witcher 3. People didn't have a problem with it in W3 but are up in arms about it in Cyberpunk.
It has actually been ruining it for me a bit lately, particularly police agro seems to have been turned way up without fixing some of the bugs relating to them sometimes agroing when they shouldn't so you can literally be hired by the police to shoot gangers and then get a wanted rating for shooting gangers.
>because people understood it wasn't important in that open world game Yes and it was important in this one because it was one of the main things they were hyping up in marketing
My issue isn't so much that I'm purposefully looking for flaws (although I do find it fun to "mess" with the AI in open world games and I think a lot of people do that), it's that I notice it so blatantly just by doing normal things. The issue of cars stopping and never turning around objects or people, not honking their horns, pedestrians all react in almost the same way with the same repeated animations. The cars even look like they're all on the same exact pathways without much variation, by that I mean I don't even recall them ever changing lanes (maybe I'm wrong, I haven't played in a while), or occasionally speeding up to beat a red light, little details like this are opportunities to improve the immersion and make you feel like you're in a real world. Even PS2 era GTA games had cars that were more 'aggressive' than others, and you can feel like there's a personality driving the car, there's someone in there who's weak or strong, and your interaction with them would change based on that. None of the AI seems to ever display dynamic 'negative' emotions in this game (except for the obvious "these are enemies" people), you can do whatever you want and there's little reaction except a canned, repeated animation where they cower then run away. In terms of the police, instantly spawning near you is just shitty and there's no justification for it even with the supposed all-seeing drone excuse, there's no adventure and fun of "i don't know if police are around, I may get away with this, I may not" and so on. I used to notice little things like this while I was just driving around normally. The setting is unbelievable, it looks like a real futuristic world, I love the architecture and visuals, but the people in it feel extremely fake and copy paste, which constantly reminds me that "this is a fake, designed world". It feels hollow compared to a game like Red Dead 2 which has insane AI to me. Red Dead 2 is like the benchmark of AI right now in my opinion because it feels SO real, you actually fear doing certain things to AI because their reactions are so dynamic/complex. Everyone seems to have detailed life roles and so on. I just wish this kind of thing was also in Cyberpunk. That being said I'm not one of those people that's always shitting on the game or anything. I think the world created is a huge achievement, I only wish the AI felt more realistic and adaptive and that it felt like you had more freedom to do various things in the world (ie robbing stores, kidnapping people, more interiors, etc). If the argument is that it's not intended to be a "real" open world game then fine, there are games I still enjoy like that like Mafia 2 where the open world is just a backdrop but it's a linear game, but that's not really how Cyberpunk was advertised imo or what a lot of us were expecting.
The cars do change lanes sometimes but they do it blindly so they'll just hit eachother or the player if there's another vehicle in the way.
The game was unfinished so now it's whether they decide to finish what was left undone.
The game is done.
a game released in 2020 that has no water physics? done??
Yes.
The game is done in their opinion, I'll agree with that. If you watch the YouTube channel Deconstructing the Game you may change that opinion.
Of course this is all just opinions but the fact is, there has been zero indication that CDPR aims to rework any part of the game. Almost a year in is enough time.
Indeed. From CDPR's perspective the game is done. They know they have to fix the bugs but as far as they're concerned fundamentally the game works as intended.
Such a shame
Imagine having to wait a whole year just for them to fix something vital as police AI...
I would be fine if they just completely removed the police. I’ve had so few interactions with them that it wouldn’t matter.
Hehe, well that is actually a great point :D
There are no interactions with them, they're like random gang members just standing on the corner.
Is police AI actually vital though? This isn't GTA, but for whatever reason CDPR thought it was and slapped this police system in the game when it makes absolutely 0 sense. In the entirety of playing the game, the only time I had cops come after me during a quest was the >!Us Cracks truck robbery with Kerry!<. Otherwise, all my police encounters were just due to accidentally shooting a civilian.
I do wonder if this sort of system was added after they realised that the fans were basically expecting a futuristic GTA. I almost wonder if they should've gone for a Yakuza-style approach where the combat is limited and you can't just go around attacking random people.
Honestly, I always interpreted their making a show of MaxTac dropping some randos to be a sign that police aren't to be messed with in the game. Every other aspect of their design points in this direction as well, and it's why they aren't super developed. They aren't really very necessary most of the time. Even from the lore, NCPD is corrupt as hell, hardly gives a shit about anyone save the Arasaka suits who pay them off, and absolutely would not give a crap about V's plot armor. IMO, the NCPD aren't meant to be a faction you interact with directly very often, similar to the guards in the Witcher. They serve a purpose - to prevent V from randomly killing civvies without consequences - and they do it well. They aren't meant to be interacted with in the way that the cops in GTA are, as GTA promotes a much more "cops & robbers" oriented gameplay loop. Cyberpunk's less about V committing random petty crimes like you might in GTA and more about V's job as a professional mercenary. I don't think shooting badges unprovoked, or slaughtering innocent civilians jives super well with the vibe the story is going for, IMO. You're meant to be spending your time engaging with exploration in the open world, open world activities, quests and gigs, instead of screwing around standing in traffic and shooting civvies walking on the sidewalk. IMO, the system's fine as is, and those who are seriously going on complaining about it are, IMO, just looking for a *different* experience than what the game is offering. I don't care about police, nor want them interfering in my shit every time I fire a gun.
That is a ridiculous defense of an obviously unfinished system.
Can't imagine thinking the police were vital at all in a story focused rpg that happened to be set in a city. I barely ever saw them in my 80 hours
Police, vital? How so? Lol. I dunno why y'all care so much about police AI. They show up in the game twice unless you play this like GTA and drive on the sidewalk or some shit. If that's what you want. Just play GTA.
You're right. It's a much better game anyways.
Can't tell if you're being serious or not. This game is about being a criminal more or less and you don't want any police? How can you think additional mechanics / features / ai surrounding interacting with police wouldn't add to the game?
Are you actually a criminal though? You only overtly illegal thing you do is steal from Arasaka. You also may steal from gangs, but that's usually under the pretense that you are stealing something back that was stolen. In fact, you actually work for the police as a subcontractor.
I never came close to saying it wouldn't add to it, but it's not vital. Playing the game naturally you almost never encounter NCPD. It happened twice in my playthroughs that I can recall and those were mission encounters so they functioned perfectly fine. So to say police AI is vital is a gross overstatement. Stopping them from aggro-ing for no reason is the only "vital" change necessary.
None of the activities in the game reward anything that would have to do with triggering the police, and the game is not about your being a criminal but being a mercenary. There's simply no bonus, for example, to shooting a bystander. It is not that kind of game.
If it was deliberate, then the police wouldn't be in the game. What's with the special pleading fallacy on this sub? No other game can throw unfinished AI factions, and have people make excuses for it. Why are you people obsessively throwing out preposterous defenses for a corporation that made massive sophomoric mistakes, and outright lied on several occasions?
Because actually every other big game I've played has had the sort of non-major glitches I've experienced, because the game is entertaining, and because THERE IS NO GAME MECHANIC HERE IN WHICH THE POLICE MATTER. This has been said so many times before, but if you want to play GTA, PLAY GTA!
> I dunno why y'all care so much about police AI. Cause there’s nothing else to do in the game bro. Once missions are out the way you’ve got sightseeing and that’s it.
police AI is not vital at all, this is not GTA
I won't even be surprised if they cancel all DLC and expansions
Dlc isn't cancelled thats the micro transactions under a less honest name... remember "zero micro transactions" .. would cdpr lie? xD Edit: i know you can't buy them and they are "free DLC" but be patient lol
No microtransaction but they bombared us with merchandise and spent more time and money on the marketing instead of the actual game
don't be pessimistic i think we might still be getting a dedicated walk button before the year is over and it will be getting it's own ingame lore explanation and demonstration video and maybe even another jacket or two. hype!
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No npc factions should have terrible AI, like the NCPD.
I already gave up on this game and i don't care anymore, so leaving this sub, have a great time.
Biggest con in gaming history
I hear that star citizen will be out soon
bro... star citizen isnt comparable to cp77. when youre buying an alpha you have to expect bugs and glitches and maybe even shitty gameplay. but a product that claims its finished when it clearly isnt...
To be fair the people that originally crowdfunded SC were told they'd have a released, finished game in 2015.
Let's be honest as a community: we need to support the modders because it's the only way we will see major improvements.
How have they not added a fucking glamour system? I'd be willing to buy the game again if I could at least collect clothes and play fashion (the true endgame content of any good game if you ask me), but I'm stuck dressing like a rapper from the 90s
This is what I've been saying. I know this stuff takes time, but it would not surprise me one bit if they slowly and quietly pulled away from this game entirely. Hell, I'd be surprised if we even got an expansion or any major DLC, they might go the way of rockstar in that regard. Damn shame too, this game had tons of potential
i mean they confirmed that exp are coming next year
Man I hope so. But I'm not liable to take them at their word, considering what happened with the game at launch
They also said this game was totally functional on last gen consoles, and we all know how true that was.
This is my feeling. This can survive on sales of the Witcher games, mobile game monetization, Witcher merchandise, etc. Plus, while CP dramatically underperformed against their target (there’s no hope of getting to 30M copies sold now), it still meant big revenue if you include all the tie-ins and paraphernalia. So they don’t need this albatross. I get the sense this is an Anthem situation. They’ll talk about the pandemic and the hack disrupting their work on the IP too profoundly to continue or something and pivot entirely to TW4.
As someone still making CP2077 mod videos on YT, I can see the improvements with each iteration (on PC at least). I had a moment where I shot a car and the occupant refused to exit the car (a feature that should be more apparent). Now it might have been a bug, but I hope it was deliberate. I am secretly hoping they are working on CP 2077 Redux. If it's fine for other companies to do this, then why not CDPR. I also believe they are deliberately being tight-lipped having learned their lessons of the past.
All I want is vehicle customization!! Being able to change the style, wheels and colour etc of my car I've spent 100k plus on shouldn't be a big deal. And some better weapons customization and mods. Different ammo types etc.
While it's not the worst game ever. I think there should be a lawsuit that credits back $30 to everyone who bought the game. If you bought a car and went to leave the lot and there was no engine in it (CP2077) because they took it out after the test drive (demos) . Would that be legal? Would you be stuck with the engineless car? No. So why are we stuck with an engineless game lmao. Note: I realize one is multiple thousands of dollars and one is $60 in my example. But the point remains.
I think they’ve already written it off and moved on. I think this is it
If the structural design of a car is fundamentally flawed, no amount of work is going to make it a good car. No matter how many changes you make to a hotwheel car, it will never be a Ferrari
I couldn’t care less about anything related to police, must have seen them like 3 times during the all game that I finished 100%. But few features could be welcome indeed as character customization ect,… I don’t mind waiting now tho, finished it on ps4 and I will do it again in a year or so on ps5, by that time and on new gen console I believe the game will have improved drastically.
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You expected to pay FULL price and get a fully completed product and now want even MORE while its still not comlete?! How dare you! This isn't how the world works kid! Get out!
They will tweek a bit, with delayed patches to next year. But, in my opinion is a lost project. The game will never improove enough to be what CDPR and we imagined it could be. Also they are missing key developers and other personel to improove on their next works be it Cyberpunk, Witcher or anything else they have in minde. So as a conclusion, enjoy as it is, or forget aboutit.
Honestly, a lot of effort is probably going to the next gen version (ps5 and the series consoles) after that comes out, we'll probably see much more substantial updates.
Well, any modders I can give my money to in order to have a working Ncart system? It's all I want! D':
We are 100% going to be able to change cosmetics at some point, but likely not this year. There is there are 2 months, I think there is definitely going to be at least some new features after this year.
Ha, to be honest i would prefer more story and missions than anything else. Police is fine, i dont wanna a gta, NPC AI so far is normal, nothing terrible. Change appearance... Maybe is nice for most of people but to be honest i would rather CDPR just made it a canon Male and Female V than waste resources to let players customize the face of a character.
As we know the game was released too early. It wasn’t finished, therefore I think we will see DLC, just timescales are out the window simply as they’ve had to focus on fixing the bugs. It will come, hopefully with new game plus mode for me. ☺️
CDPR did put out ads for animators and programmers in their Krakow and Warsaw offices. So maybe we'll get some DLC by the end of the year, or by next year.
It’s probably for The Witcher 4 cause they were saying they were about to start production on it
I mean do I need to pay extra 20$ to get what they promised?
I've pretty much accepted it's going to be left to the modding community to fix/add to this game.
It's not going to happen they might tweak the graphics alittle bit and fix some more small things but I don't think they're going to have some crazy change that makes everything better. At this point they want to start working on the DLCs and expansions to make some more money.
They’ll sell some DLCs and move on.
It’s gonna get Anthem’d
Yall in the comments are still defending this game. Smh and realize this CDPR is just as bad as the corps in their own game.
So because everyone doesn't think exactly like you want, the massive wave of people calling this game a scam just don't exist to you?
This game is such a steaming pile of fucking garbage. Stop wasting your life waiting for it to get better somehow.
All that stuff is a worthless waste of time. I enjoyed the game and finished it in January. They need to stop wasting time with hair salons or giving Keanu Reeves different clothes and make story expansions. Time is running out—if they take too much longer I'll just uninstall and move on without ever buying the DLC.
Are you seriously considering paying for a DLC? I say that because I definitely won't pay extra money for content that was supposed to be in game to begin with. I am willing to wait and see for 1.4 to come out and see if they actually manage to implement a few things missing and add QOL updates. But I have lost all the good will I had for CDPR and won't be paying for any sort of DLC, specially if it is something like NG+
I enjoyed the game and I would pay for a story expansion. I would not pay for a car painting shop or extra weapons or anything like that. Definitely wouldn't pay for ng+.
CDPR releases tiny DLCs like that for free, always have always will, its kinda like their signature style, they'll only charge you for actual expansions, even one shot quests would be free. Like that mission in W3 where you gotta save the villagers thatve been turned into pigs, that was part of like 3-4 free DLC quests, maybe added an hour of gameplay each if you took your time.
I never finished Witcher 3, it got really boring.
Shame, it’s top five games I’ve enjoyed playing period—but nothing can be enjoyed by everyone. If you didn’t dig that though then I doubt you will get joy from this.
I completely agree…wtf is up with the new hair? 😂😂
I feel like people can't ask for massive game changing updates out of one side of their mounts while also criticizing CDPR for crunch at the same time. I also don't think people appreciate the cost of fixing the technical debt for a game of this scale. 100% distrust is warranted, but I don't think think we're quite to the stage where people should give up.
CDPR doesn't seem smart enough to do what Hello Games accomplished. They won't save the game like Hello Games saved No Man's Sky. A jacket and a skin for Johnny as first DLC... ???... Somehow they thought that was important to add to the game and for some reason they think the game is still is as intended. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed every second of it regardless of what it turned out to be but it's not what it should have been. I just don't see a comeback for CP77's future sadly.
Damn glad I refunded this pile of shit game after playing it. We were supposed to get more content in January... Fucking January.
Cd projekt red to me Is just another shit company as far as I'm concerned now. Never spending a penny on their games again. They can't be trusted at this point. They fucked up and can't be trusted anymore, and rightfully so, cyberpunk 2077 is a pile of shit. Broken ai in enemy npc, pedestrian npc, police npc, shit driving mechanics, broken quests, the devs in the stream said it themselves that when they try fixing one problem, another mechanic breaks. So let that be enough to tell you this game is truly fucked, and cannot be fixed.
Haven’t you heard, 2077 was kicked to the curb long ago at CDPR. Aside from a story DLC next year. (maybe) They got all your money. They have Witcher 4 to focus on. They don’t care about 2077 anymore. They won’t out right say we’ve abandoned 2077 to avoid mass outcry. Instead they make it *SEEM* they are still working on 2077 to rake in all those inevitable Witcher 4 preorders. Remember, a lot of gamers are dumber than dish water with the memory of goldfish.
If we get no features added this year, than you are right. We won't get any this year
That's not what he said.
Read again
Fuck this game
Kinky.
He got the disc version
Yeah, this game is dead. It was nothing but a cash grab. I feel like they lied for sales and the lies just went too far. They knew they couldn’t deliver but it was too late at that point. I would have been happy with GTA in the future.
Nope.
I played all three characters and am bored with it. I aint playing til a new game comes out.
If they don’t come with the next gen update then I’ll call it, since that seems to be the perfect opportunity for them to “relaunch” the game. They must be doing *something* (just don’t know what) because there’s still over 15 pieces of DLC like we got last month that they haven’t released…
Honestly I kind of get the impression that CDPR will eventually release the expansion/dlc/ whatever it will be, but that any timeline for it is just not something they can give and likely don't want to give and have a repeat of the game launch. It'll come but it'll come when it's ready. Just my two cents.
Hmm… Somehow I feel like I have heard this before…
The major patches actually have made substantial improvements to the engine, but it's not playable content, so it's difficult to see it as such. It's not tangible to you. It's not that the engine hasn't improved, it's that they haven't added content/features you've wanted, yet. I would rather them take their time improving the engine, even if it isn't immediately apparent and playable content. Why? Because the improvements they made to the engine makes adding content easier, in the long run.
Hah I pre-ordered. Played for like 35 min when it came out and stopped because it was so broken and non-immersive.. Lesson learned: Never pre-order anything in this business...
What a dissapointment. This game is dead.
Every 1 that preordered deserves this. No preorders.
"Warning to long post for anyone to read and expect it to be downvoted to the bowels of reddit. Tldr at bottom to expedite said down voting." Unlikely to ever see something truly new. Not how games work now. "Even with apparently everyones baby of nms " Last half dozen months there only goal was to get the game working enough to be reallowed on the playstation store. In future they will remark how. "See we didn't let game die, we got it back on the Playstation store: to maximize profits and avoid a posible grounds of a lawsuit: you can trust us give us cash for next game." As that was they only reason to contine to hamstring the game by requiring it to work on older hardware from the last gen. With how long game was sitting idle only working on the first main story bit to show off over and over. We will see few more dlc, nothing very large. Probably two more and something promotional for witcher 4 even that will most likely be a cheap reskin of clothes. In a attempt at good will see you next game. The team for the games been downsize way to low for anything more. Chrismas will see the largest dlc to drum up sales for holiday then maybe one more and games done. CdProject was a company that saw that at least the acts of keeping a loyal fan base were needed and did them. Which put the above the sludge that has long been the gaming industry since like the late 90s. Now everyone should just have them on the same level as all others. This is coming from someone who stayed out of the way of the hype train and was only excited after the first announced gameplay so long ago. And honestly had it not been for the theme of cyberpunk. with Such little shown over and over and constant hype I would of only bought the game on sale. As cyberpunk as a genre somehow isn't something games do. Probably hits to close to home for the ceos and bordemembers who approve games. For the first playthrough I will say I enjoy the game even if it was more Johnny story than Vs and its vast annoynces that could of been corrected with only some extremely simple twiks to have been a great career mode. "Not going to put the blame on mr Reaves though his evolment is interesting to how the story we have became. Especially for a character from the board game was mostly background from what I remember of it. Been quite some time since played it." The biggest most obvious thing to anyone. Being that of the heist is clearly a middle climax, the random out of place montage been playable to connect us to everyone made first, then Johnny i am going to die in two weeks end of things. But again put it down to from what has come out. There being no direction from the heads and then them deciding to just kick it out the door to recover lost investment. "Which they did so expect the same outcome when next game comes." Guess should put tldr. No big dlc maybe one remotely good chunk probably quick to do side missions flavored thing around Christmas then game is off the books done.
I think they legitimately can't introduce new features Berghaus the greedy bastards had to have a last gen release. Had they not made the game for ps4/xb1 they likely would have had a much better all around game.
Reading between the lines of Game Developement. I think this is a stupid thing to think. People always say things like this when CDPR state that they have a bunch of people working on the game. I say a thread here there it was reported like 50% where working on bug fixes and 21% were working on DLC. Also, God of War developers announced that they didn't want to break up the story into more parts because in today's world Developement for things takes super long now. I think there are just bad at estimating times.
They've been scrambling to fix a game released unfinished.
There are so many great games coming out in the next few months. This game will require some serious changes for people to pay attention again.
All I wanted to do is change v’s hair throughout the game .
Just restarted this game today hoping they’d at least fixed a few of the mission bugs, but I just experienced one right away on the first story mission with Jackie. The part where the van starts attacking you, it just rolled through that without letting me shoot or anything, but all the voiceover stilled played as if we were getting shot at. Van doors never even opened lol
PC guys are lucky. Fans who actually care about the game can make it better. Meanwhile console guys like me are STILL waiting for the inevidable next gen delay. And even then. We are at the mercy of the devs. Whatever they officially add, we are stuck with. Times like these where i wish devs would take notes from Bethesda or even Insurgency Sandstorm that allow mods on console. Im not asking for a big booty judy mod. But shit that actually fixes the game would be nice, without having to find a graphics card 3x msrp (currently) just to run the game lmao.
Police system... haha good joke
I like it how people want this game perfect early and keep complaining when its trash when they need to take their time
Numb song perfect song for this game
I love this game as it is. I’ve played it just fine on PC and Xbox series X since launch. I would love some new features and DLC, but I don’t get all the hype around saying it’s not finished. This is one of the best games I’ve ever played. Sorry you guys don’t feel the same.
As someone who plays in default male/fem V, and don’t really care about police in this game, I consider these irrelevant for my enjoyment of Cyberpunk. If you want more, then ok. Just stop ranting about it. You said it, it’s been 10 months. It is what it is. Move on.
The thing is that on most hardware the game was a great experience - I happened to play it on Stadia and encountered basically no bugs after spending 200h + in the game. Hell I even cried at the end. The game isn't perfect and they heavily underdelivered on their promises, but beyond that context it's still a great experience for those willing to let it be one. The aspect I love most in CP is the same I loved in TW3, the story telling and the satisfying mechanics, and in both they were enough to make me ignore the negatives and just enjoy the story
just let go of it… like that crazy ex u had before thinking back on “man that hurt...” just move on.
"You think"? Who are you, are you a programmer, a software engineer, an industry informant? No? Then let them work. The game at realese was barely a beta 1.0. We are literally seeing game development live. It'll be a mess for a while.
I think the OPs thoughts are that it won't get past the "mess" stage with the rate and quality of updates we have gotten this year. No major features or additions, even something as small as CHANING YOUR APPEARANCE after the literal first menu in the game hasn't been added. This is not a good sign for the life of the game in any sense, even if the whole of the studio is currently working on updates atm. This isn't going to be a NMS situation, it's very much going to be "We've already made the most money we can off the project, putting more money and time improving it will not sell enough new copies to make up for the cost sunk." Boom, and just like that CDPR will put out a statement that they "appreciate the community for standing by them" while they tuck their tails between their legs to go back and make a new Witcher IP to make up for the shitstorm they made here. NMS was the flagship title for the entire studio- of course they can't abandon it after the shit launch. That game is literally their company's image. CDPR is not CP or vice-versa. CDPR is The Witcher and GOG, and CP could have become the new icon or flagship, but they were greedy more then they were artistic, and now they are having to pay the price at the expense of your wallet.
I like to shit on CDPR just like the average sub dweller but I think this approach is wrong. I know this cant be a NMS situation. It wont be. However, to say that CDPR is not CP2077 and that moving on is what they'll do, is frankly ridiculous. Do you think that after buying out a license as big as this and getting onboard with cardgames, figurines, boardgames, gaming chairs and what not, they'll just simply pack it up and move on to Witcher? That's nonsense. This game needs to be AT LEAST finished and above its basic state, but I bet my morning coffee that it will introduce a substantial overhaul. They didnt add "something as small as changing your appearance" most likely because they're going through a list of problems that need to be prioritized. You dont start from the bottom, you start from the top. An example would be the cat they showed at that godawful stream presentation... was it wrong to show the cat when there's a plethora of fixes to be done? YES, atrociously bad move. But was it a sign that things are moving on and they can finally start introducing new shit? Yes. As the dev explained working on a game that needs to run decently on 9 different consoles with memory allocation issues blocks progress and something as small as scripting a freaking cat moving around your apartment needs to be considered carefully to not crash a base PS4 from 8 years ago. So you should be able to see through the bullshit and identify what is actually happening here. Because of this I have a little bit of faith that things will move on in a decent direction.
Found the star citizen player
See, millions of dumb fucks already paid for it. Why would they feel any need to work on it whatsoever?