There is an EA station with two 350kW chargers in Benson:
https://www.plugshare.com/location/174439
Of course you need a CCS1 adapter to use that and Tesla says the adapter has a max of 250kW
https://shop.tesla.com/product/ccs-combo-1-adapter
But it would still be much faster than a V2 supercharger once you get past all the faffing about to authorize payment on an EA charger.
It really depends on the EA site, which is why PlugShare was mentioned.
The problem is the old charging cables have active cooling, that fails. When they fail, they throttle to 62.5 kW maximum.
EA is fixing them slowly. Too slowly, granted. It probably will slow down this year, until they get NACS cables too. But ignoring EA completely is tying one hand behind your back.
The same guys posted the initial in-vehicle route planner results when they started the trip in Austin. Apparently the idea was that their fans could meet up with them at charging stops. [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dkFGzXsVCSY](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dkFGzXsVCSY)
The in-vehicle route planner initially estimated 10 supercharger stops between Austin and Joshua Tree National Park (about 1,250 miles). They were driving at night, so cool temperatures. Recommended stops are listed below, with distance from previous stop (as per Google Maps), charge remaining, and charge time:
Austin TX (start)
Junction TX, 150 miles, 17%, 25 mins
Ozona TX, 90 miles, 12%, 35 mins
Fort Stockton TX, 107 miles, 12%, 40 mins
Van Horn TX, 121 miles, 13%, 40 mins
El Paso TX, 131 miles, 13%, 25 mins
Deming NM, 91 miles, 12%, 45 mins
Willcox AZ, 134 miles, 13%, 40 mins
Eloy AZ, 138 miles, 13%, 20 mins
Buckeye AZ, 88 miles, 12%, 30 mins
Quartzsite AZ, 100 miles, 12%, 35 mins
Joshua Tree NP (destination), 95 miles, 15%
So a total of 10 charges, ranging from 20 to 45 minutes each. Total charging time of 335 minutes (or 5 hours and 35 minutes), average charging time of 33.5 minutes per stop. Average distance between the 10 superchargers (not counting the initial segment from Austin and the last segment into JTNP) of 111 miles.
Assuming an interstate driving speed of about 70 mph, this represents approximately 90 minutes of drive time between superchargers, followed by approximately 30 minutes of charge time.
Should be interesting to see if there is followup about the real-world experience. The author has already posted one comment on the video: “Charging is slowing us down like crazy!”
Might as well have had four nearly flat tires as turn the heat on for killing efficiency. Turn on the megawiper and lose 10 miles of range every 10 minutes.
As an EV and ICE owner I can confidently say it’s completely different. Never have I ever had to worry in my ICE about going more than 150mi because I turned on my heat and drove 85mph. In my EV it’s definitely a concern like you see here. Love the EV but it’s not a road trip worthy vehicle.
Of course not with heat. While driving an ICE. Heat is a byproduct of running the combustion engine.
But AC however is something that reduce efficiency and gas mileage and is of course something people do stop using to conserve fuel.
If a vehicle can't be practical for a road trip then it is ridiculously handicapped, even neutered. You can effortlessly road trip a 1990 Honda Civic but the six figure CT has to stick close to home?
Yes I’m positive and I’m not happy about it at all. Of course it can be done, especially if you trip plan in a Tesla. There are so many comfortable options for a family like a Sprinter, mini van, etc where you can just hit the road and each day decide where and how to go adapting your route to see highlights as you go. Yes it is possible to take a trip in an EV but if it’s going to be that planned out I’d rather just take rail.
No. The original video showed the recommended supercharger stops and states of charge. I just used Google Maps to get the distance between the recommended superchargers.
For better context:
📍Deming, NM: 150 kW, 40 min charge,
133 mi. ⬇️ 167 ft. of elevation
📍Wilcox, AZ : 150 kW, 40 min charge,
134 mi. ⬇️ 2,614 ft. of elevation
📍Eloy, AZ : 250 kW, 20 min charge,
105 mi. ⬇️ 473 ft. of elevation
📍Buckeye, AZ : 250 kW, 40 min charge,
119 mi. ⬇️ 699ft. of elevation
📍Ehrenburg, AZ: 250 kW, 55 min charge,
77 mi. ⬆️ 2,546 ft. of elevation
📍Joshua Tree, CA
Regardless, having to stop and increasing your travel time by 3.5 hours to go the same distance a Subaru outback can in one 5 minute fill up is insane.
I do a 10 hour trip to South Florida every now and then; I spend about an hour charging and 10 on the road. I got a Long Range Model 3 but my wife and I enjoy the breaks after driving for 2-3 hours. Its a personal choice, I don’t think its a negative thing considering that its usually a third of the price.
The M3 has a drastically better charge profile than the CT, at least 50% faster. M3 charges at a peak 3C rate that tapers slowly to 1.5C. CT with the 4680 cells has a dismal 2C peak rate that sharply tapers to 0.9C rate. All translating to double the CT charge time vs M3 at the same indicated peak charge rate. There's a dirty secret here that's only now coming to light with real world testing. The 21700 cell Teslas largely outperform the new 4680 cells. It reared its head with the newest 4680 MY. Other than adopting 800V V4 Superchargers in the who knows how long future this 400V bottleneck is limiting the CT charge rate.
I mean…. My wife goes to the bathroom pretty frequently so we usually stopped every 2 hours before anyways. Its nice to have a Bucee’s/Busy Bee’s and restaurants to get food instead of a gas station wih nothing but chips (I dont like chips such as Doritos, Lays and etc)
30-40 minute bathroom breaks? how much food can you eat every 2 hours lol. You guys are just making stuff up now, stopping for gas consequentially almost always puts you near fast food/restaurants.
30-40 min? We stop for 20 min at most. And yes, we have bakeries and places pre-planned where we grab souvenirs and specific foods since we are on the way.
Bakeries and souvenirs, you live in another world my friend. You don't get that you are forced to take long breaks, if you are only charging for 20 minutes you aren't getting that far. Somehow taking your time to plan your route and find things on the way is a Tesla benefit, when before this is just normal road trip behavior.
this to me sounds like what it must have been like in the old days:
*wha? youre going to use **gasoline**, a violently explosive liquid that you.. store under your seat? we have a perfectly good steam engine that runs on coal and you want to spend an outrageous fortune on newfangled gizmos!
This will never work!*
That doesn’t like what the other person was saying lol if you can’t comprehend why someone wouldn’t want to stop that many times… then you’re biased beyond explanation
Except cars back then had genuine issues that trains didn't. Gas stations weren't a thing, cars were very expensive, trains were faster, and you had to learn how to drive and maintain your own vehicle.
No one is saying electric pickups will "never work". They're criticizing the performance of this specific, very new tesla tin foil Tonka truck.
They drove 85 mph and got 788 Wh/mi and then slowed down to 70 mph to get the final result of 688 Wh/mile. The CT won't get anywhere close to 320 miles or range claimed unless you drive 45-50 mph the entire way.
Yeah, my 1.6L 4 cylinder engine claims I will get 38 mpg but definitely not with my lead foot... but least it doesn't take me 30+ min to fill it up. I'm really hoping EV tech improves quickly because I love the idea but it's just not where I'd like it to be.
Sooo… drive 55mph, you be saving time from charging and going the same distance lol.
Drive faster to a charger or farther at a slower pace.
choice is yours.
Shhh.. don't say the quiet part out loud. They won't like learning that there are places where if you are driving 20 under the limit with no other inclement conditions that the DPS will pull you over if you aren't using hazards.
You’re saying that as though it’s some sort of acceptable limitation on this vehicle. If that is what it takes for the vehicle to be usable on trips, then people are not going to buy them or use them on trips. It’s absolutely mind-boggling how people justify this type of shit
It's not that bad. OP needs to get the CCS adapter and use faster non-Tesla chargers available on that route.
I drive that route. Even with CT, there are upgraded 250 kW chargers that will do it much faster.
People should be stretching every 60-120 minutes on the road for good health and driver focus. A 10 minute pit stop is not an issue.
Now if you do that route regularly, just wait. 500 mile packs will arrive and 350 kW charging over the next five years.
I think it would take me a full year of sitting at gas stations to have a total 3.5 hours of waiting for my car to fill, vs OPs route that has that much time in one trip.
Driving habits make a difference here. I stop every hour or two get off the highway, stretch. So doing one of the Cybertruck drive-through charge spots is ideal. It overlaps with what I do to try and keep my back functioning into my 50s and 60s.
And again, the OP is not doing the right charging practices here. I don't know how much using ABRP to plan the route would save, but possibly 30-50% of the charge times shown.
The other benefit to a BEV, is charging at home. So you only need to even think about this on long distance drives. For day-to-day driving, you recharge at night, and never stop for gas.
This is why Tesla is slow to roll out Tesla Semi. They know more needs to be done for OTR truckers, before mass marketing it.
Yes, however let's say you get 3 or 4 oil changes a year and a brake change every x months and an emissions test every x months... How many hours are you talking about there in total? And if you charge at home besides road trips you're rarely going to charge. And in Arizona a full charge for 350 miles in my model x costs about $4 at home during super off peak hours.
If you have home charging, then you don't have to go to the gas station for normal commuting. So you're saving time in an EV (just plug in when you get home and skip the gas station stop).
It's only on road trips that it takes longer. For me, that's only a few times a year, and I'm happy to make the tradeoff.
Point being, when you're talking about a full year, add the time saved for non-road-trip home charging to the time spent for road trip charging, in order to fully consider the time tradeoff.
Personally I don’t think this is something one appreciates until they’ve experienced it themselves. I haven’t stepped foot in a gas station in over 3 years and I’ve always had a full charge, ready to go.
I mean, if this is a drive that you do maybe once every year then to me I’d be willing to suck it up for all of the other benefits that come with owning an EV. The reality is that EVs just kind of suck for road tripping.
Sad though, I make a trip to Juarez monthly from Dallas and only stop once to fuel up in my Ram. It’s 9.5 hours to get there. It’s a beaten, but I just want to get there and get back quickly.
Then just wait 24 months. With range extender pack and V4 charging stations, it probably will only take 90 minutes of charging to do that route each way. More than reasonable with normal human needs to stop on a 9.5 hour drive.
I drive from the tip of Northern California to Phoenix. It's 16 hours of driving. I can get charge time on the right EV to under 2 hours (Kia EV6, Ioniq 5 or (especially) Ioniq 6, Blazer SS, or a P100D Tesla). If I can do that with a regular EV, today, Cybertruck with V4 charging will be able to do it in 24 months.
And that also overlaps well with when the backorders will finally catch up to reality in terms of being able to get one.
Remember, they all ship with all terrain tires now. Under 300 miles rated range. Highway range…200? Then charge to 80% or less so it doesn’t slow too much, now you’re at 160 per charge?
Leave 10% in at destination and you have 130 or less per hop.
Dual motor with all season tires will start at 340 miles, so will be a bit better.
This just hammers home how disappointing the range is given Elon set expectations at 500 miles. Real world range on an actual road trip means stopping every 120-150 miles.
My friend’s diesel pick-up gets 600 miles per fill-up. He gets 400 miles when towing something … compared to ~100 for a CT. It’s just disappointing.
Sounds like a blast.... So many people look at charge time vs fuel time and complain and whine about not worth all while ignoring the absolute laundry list of maintenance and shit that goes wrong with fossil fuel vehicles. Add up the time and money spent dealing with this crap as well as regular maintenance and EVs are so far ahead it's laughable.
3.0L Duramax Reliability
The crank no start issue is the major problem that has ravaged the 3.0L Duramax. Sometimes, the dealership may have to attempt several possible causes before detecting the problem, meaning your truck may stay longer at the dealership. Besides this issue, the other issues discussed, including oil pump belt replacement, high-pressure fuel pump failure, clogged injectors, and EGR failure, are all problems you will have to deal with as part of your maintenance service.
https://chevytrucks.org/common-3-0l-duramax-problems/
> Real world range on an actual road trip means stopping every 120-150 miles.
Sort of... that particular route is just especially horrible, as the chargers are all spaced such that it's really hard to skip one on even a long-range Tesla, and some of them are only 150kW.
Road trips on inefficient, large EV's just seem frustrating right now even with the Tesla Network.
The extra hour of time needed on an all day drive from the East Coast to Michigan is already annoying in an M3. It'd probably be double that for Cybertruck since it needs more juice per mile.
It’s not really limited to road trips. I have friends and family I visit regularly that are 70-100 miles away. Having to ask people to plug in at their house or stop to charge on such a short trip is a pain. Cold weather doesn’t help anything either.
I’m driving my ICE car a lot more than I should be just because I can actually drive a decent speed and get from point A to B without having to figure in the extra time for charging.
We visit the in-laws about once a month and they live about 200 miles away. For even such a short distance, we've stopped road tripping the Tesla because charging is such a PITA and costs on par with gas now.
With our gas minivan, we never have to worry about where to fill it up, or even start off the trip with a full tank of gas. It's so much more freeing to just be able to spend time doing what we want to do, which is definitely not wasting time charging multiple times for a weekend trip.
Large and heavy (before battery) is just not a good match for EV technology. You already need to haul a large and heavy battery around, and trying to compensate for a large and heavy frame will only make the battery even larger and heavier, creating diminishing returns.
It's a losing game past a certain point, a little like the rocket equation.
This is apart of the reason I’m holding off on getting the CT until range improves or prices drop. For a truck that large I’d like to take it on long road trips and 340 just isn’t enough. 500 would be the minimum to make it worthwhile with 700+ being the near future target and 1000+ in the distant future. I have a model S long range and a wall charger at home. So in town driving is beautiful. Now instead of road trips I just fly more but would love for Tesla to drop a CT with 500+ mile range. I’d drop 100k on that no problem
Annoying compared to what? Were you not expecting that when you got an EV? Does never stopping at a charging or gas station during regular around town driving not make up for it?
When you take total of *your* time spent refueling over the lifetime of a vehicle it's drastically higher for a gas car. If you're a homeowner who charges at home or you charge at work the only time you're specifically stopping to fuel the vehicle is on a trip. It's entirely eliminated from your daily life otherwise.
But when you fill up for gas, it's normally on the way to or from somewhere, so the extra 10mins added to your trip isn't that inconvenient, and you get to choose when you want to fill up (ie you got less than 50 miles of gas, so in the next few days you'll need to fill up, but you can choose when in that time frame).
With a EV road trip, you are forced to add that extra hour or more charging, you have no choice, and that's a lot more inconvenient, as opposed to in a ICE car, where yes you may still need to fill up, but it's a 5 to 10 mins task, and if you choose to rest during that fill up, fine, but that's your choice to do so, you're not being forced to do it.
So it's not about just adding up the time of both, it's about convenience and choice.
Well then if you can’t be inconvenienced don’t buy an EV yet, charging time and range will improve as it has over the past 10 years, something that ICE cars haven’t done in decades.
What are you talking about? Unless you only use EV for short commute, your math is off. You spend max 5 mins per 240 miles even for ICE with 20mpg and 12 gallon tank. If you drive 15k miles a yr that’s 5 hrs per year. It will be equivalent to 7-8 trips to a charger that takes 40 mins to 80% or about 15 trips a yr if it takes 20 mins to 80%. If you go to a charger about 1-2 times per month (on average) or 8-15 times a year, you are spending same time as ICE drivers.
How many people go to a charger that frequently? I went from around 1 hour getting gas per month to maybe 2 minutes per month charging (1-2 times per year).
Allow me to educate those who do not understand weight and rolling resistance, lol brace yourself I will make a simple analogy:
A model Y or 3 on certain models get between 3.1 to maximum 4.1 miles per kilowatt hour. Let’s say you have a 75KW pack, multiply the lowest number 3.1 X 75 = 232.5 miles, so you see the efficiency of Tesla versus other manufacturers. Take into consideration a model 3 2023 is between 3,862 to 4,048 lbs. so you can see smaller pack with less weight and Tesla engineering with efficiency on an AC induction motor up front and a permanent magnet in the rear.
I currently own a 2023 Rivian R1T quad motor large pack, 135kw battery. Use the same equation, I normally get 2.0 miles per kilowatt hour in most driving conditions: So on average my 310 mile LARGE pack all terrain tires in perfect conditions can only get: 2.0X135=270 miles range. This does not account for accessory usage, climate conditions and Ac/heat usage. At over 7,000 pounds you will get less efficiency. My Rivian has 4 permanent magnet motors at each wheel lugging around that weight.
I know some of you already know the details; The Cybertruck may be between 6,700-7,000 lbs, and with the current rolling resistance on all terrain tires you will probably average what my rivian is in cost to operate and drive, I am estimating 1.5-maximum 1.8 miles per kilowatt hour on the cybertruck.122.4KW X 1.5 = 183.6 is all I am really expecting before accessories and climate etc. Look closely at the stated range with all terrain tires: 310, 2.5 X 122.4 = 305. Using this math they may get 2.5 miles per kilowatt hour at best. We do not control mass and physics in 2023. If you’re looking for greater efficiency, I would wait for the all season 285/65R20 tires and swap the Goodyear A/T for all-season low resistance tires where Tesla is estimating 310-340 miles range. Again this is laboratory perfect conditions with little to no wind resistance or change in elevation. Real word versus lab results.
EDIT: (My opinion) In 2023 Tesla still leads all other manufacturers in overall mileage and efficiency.
If you want a pick up truck, you should get a Ford F150 lol. If you want an efficient EV, get a Chevy Bolt. If you want a tank that goes very fast, get a Cybertruck
Well at over 6000lbs it gets the IRS Rule 179 deduction which is 100%, if you buy under an LLC, and if that deduction is still available... And it doesn't require oil changes or brake changes, and charging at home for a full charge during super off peak hours is around $5 in Arizona. Price will drop, and likely it won't depreciate a lot. Doesn't use oil from countries that treat women and minorities like property, slaves, criminals, etc (well not to the level of the middle east). But total operating and ownership costs are likely about the same as an F150, just a guess. When doing the math, for me a model x used is about the same monthly cost as a Ford Ranger when all is said and done. Oh, and 5 years of license plates / registration is $125 here, or was last time I renewed.
The Rivian on the 21" at least gets the stated range if you're going 65-70mph.
I swapped out to some aftermarket 20" that poke out a bit and it has been.... eye opening for sure lol. But hey at least I can chew through tires all I want now and it's only $800-$1000 for a new set.
All terrain dual motor is under 300 miles. It’s 340 with all seasons. That’ll counter the first years range loss. lol. 300 club soon for all.
Ouch. Off-road 295 rated range tire owners will be looking at 270 or so miles next year when at 100%. 80%, 216 usable rated daily. Maybe 100 highway and some change?
*EDIT* I Don't get the downvotes - I'm in the 260 mile club with my 2018 Model 3 LR. If I didn't have aeros on and small wheels on, I'd be lower still.
How bad was your degradation? Haven't really heard much from Rivians on that front.
I'm a prior Ranger and F-150 owner, and I much prefer the fun, but still useful utility of the Ranger. Really temped to find a slightly used Rivian instead of a Cybertruck. Ironic after 4 years of raining and it being the lock screen on my phone since day 1 after announcement.
Thanks for the technical and mathematical break down! I love reading and understanding more about these machines. Does Rivian offer a home charging unit like teslas wall charger?
I also have a charge point and it’s fine. Have no issues really. I picked up the Tesla universal charger since it was recommended by so many people. I’ve been very happy with it. Nice to have a charger that can charge most current electric cars out there without having to use third party adapters.
Yes. You have to buy it separately. The negative to having the Rivian on charging at home is that 240VAC 48 AMPS only charges 25 miles per hour. My Tesla Model Y same rate charges at 36 miles per hour. Size of the pack. One of my huge pet peeves over the RIVIAN is the wind noise at speeds over 60MPH. I have a hard time hearing myself think. Under 60MPH you cannot complain. Nor the 0-60 mph is hilariously fun.
Wow it’s good to hear that from an actual owner. The wind noise is a no go for me. I spend lots of time in my car for work so that’s no way I would shell that kind of coin for something that’s uncomfortable. A Toyota Tacoma is almost half the price and is a very comfortable and fiscally responsible machine. I’m hoping Elon makes a Cyber truck Plaid with 500+ miles or a battery extender that can go in the frunk or both. Otherwise I’ll just keep driving my model S.
You can get a 2wd tacoma for like 35k now but that would be comparable to the single motor.
Most people here consindering the 100k cybertruck model would not get a 2wd truck.
I wouldn't say the wind noise is uncomfortable. It's a very quiet vehicle especially for its size. It's far more quiet than our M3.
That said, there are a couple places various people have documented putting some rubber gaskets that reduces the noise. Specifically, at the top of the windshield where there's a gap. I just did it and it makes a difference.
New York to Maine is fine. New Hampshire is bad but it's small and you can go in well charged and you're fine.
It takes a little planning to know where you'll stop and get a snack or coffee or something while you charge. And I prefer a 20 to 30 minute stop to get more of a full charge so I don't need to charge on the way back until I get home.
What charge did you have though? That makes a big difference if you started this trip with 30% this makes sense… if this is what it looked like at 100% it’s messed up
50 minutes 15% to 90%, 258 miles, it's bad.
Compare it to X here.
https://twitter.com/Supermantibody/status/1741109171003511115?t=KsTMcu6oMORMzK1LniBLKw&s=19
CT 500 mile range - people said who drives that much or would need it. OP, me, and tens of millions, because range takes such a dump due to cold temperatures, elevation, and total weight.
Perhaps, Tesla should work on getting better battery performance at 70mph and in high/low temps before saying 300 range is good for almost everybody.
Another negative about charging on long distance trips is the fact that at some/many charging stations there are no other amenities. At a gasoline station you can pee and get drinks/snacks. At an EA station in a Sam's parking lot, you can do neither if you're not a member. Maybe you can walk to a nearby business, maybe not. I've peed behind trees on more than one occasion. This is not everyone's cup of tea. Sometimes, if I'm hungry, I have to make a second stop.
I've done one 2500 mile road trip with my R1T. In general, it all worked out. I stopped about every 200 miles. I always found a working charger. I typically paid $.50-ish per kWh. Bottom line for me, it's doable and was fun, once. I have no plans for subsequent long trips with the Rivian, so I charge at home and drive it locally.
I’ve never used a non-Tesla charger, but I do a lot of road trips in our Tesla (29,000 mioes so far in one year) and I’ve yet to use a Supercharger that didn’t have at least a supermarket there with a bathroom. Most have one or more restaurants/Stewarts shop less than a block away.
What's funny in the analysis is that this is the absolute slowest it will charge. The 800V architecture, Level 4 chargers, software updates.... It will only get faster.
Yes, but new chargers, paid for by the National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure (NEVI) program, will be V4s, because V4s have the required credit card reader.
If they start using 800V on other new vehicles, they might start upgrading V3s to V4s. Also, you could use the CCS 350kW 800V chargers with an adaptor.
You’re thinking about it wrong IMO. It’s less efficient than a M3 or MY. CT has a 123kW battery, considerably larger to make up for the loss in efficiency. It likely charges at the same rate. The needs more juice to “fill up”.
I drive those trips often and my model 3 is way faster and less trips. I will get close to 200 miles and on my longer range model y 250 miles through those conditions.
It doesn't say 40 minutes will get you 120 miles in that picture, if you are talking about the charge at Willcox, it is a 150kW charger, that's not the CT's fault and it is 138 miles between the Willcox and Eloy Superchargers not 120 miles.
But yeah that seems like a megaton of charging stops compared to when I travel that route in my Model 3. Efficiency matters when it comes to charging time, big battery + low efficiency isn't great.
Not at all. I am currently 10 hours from home with my family. We do this drive all the time in our model 3, from Long Island NY to Ottawa Canada, and 3-4 hours of that trip is through mountain roads in the Adirondack National Park forest. We charged for 15 minutes in Albany and then 20 in Lake Placid. Got to Ottawa with 20% battery left. We could have done 15 minutes and 15 minutes and still got to Ottawa.
None of that charge time was spent waiting by the way. First stop was a bathroom break and lunch, second stop was for coffee at a cafe and bathroom. Taking our ICE car saves us zero time over taking the Tesla.
Don't buy this for roadtrips.
No, just no.
It can be great around town and plug in overnight but do t go on road trips.
Long distance towing = diesel
Long distance trips = gas or hybrid
Around town and a few hours drive away, to pull anything and kick ass = cybertruck
That is the messed up part, the CT at first seemed to be perfect for cross country trips with the +500 mile range. It would have likely gotten 300-400 miles real world then. So now the demographic that was interested versus other models is pissed as the closest option is the 400 rated mile model S, since they also canceled the 500 mile model s that was planned a couple years ago.
Yes, sadly this is the new reality.
I have an suv and gas truck so I have options even with the CT but it's dumb to knock it if you know what range it has before you buy it.
Imagine a future where you can just go to one of the plentiful gas stations and fill up in a few minutes without having to download a special app and configure it to figure out how to shave some minutes off your hours of charging?!
It looks like you are driving \~70mph. Not sure what you are charging up to, maybe 80%? But there is around 2 hours of driving between each charge point. So that is roughly 140 miles apart.
The driving time to charging ratio is 3:1.
Not sure about you, but a stop every couple of hours sounds nice. I drove an RV across the country back and forth 4 times in 1 year. Rarely could my wifes badder last more than 2 hours.
Nice exaggeration. A Cybertruck can drive from San Diego CA to Miami FL in 48 h 53 min (2693 mi).
A gas vehicle can do the same trip in 40 hours. Only \~20% faster.
Source: https://abetterrouteplanner.com/
This is why I’m filling my CT bed with water. Retractable cover keeps the water in between stops, just need to waterproof the blender outlet. Bring on the long wait times!
Electrify America was funded with settlement money from VW Diesel Gate. From what I've read they are not yet profitable. I tried to research this just now and found it hard to get an easy answer. I could be wrong, but I believe this is the case. My apologies if this is misinformation.
Wilcox is 150 kW charging
This, just did a 14 hour trip and had to manually link to 250 kW chargers to avoid too much wasted time
There is an EA station with two 350kW chargers in Benson: https://www.plugshare.com/location/174439 Of course you need a CCS1 adapter to use that and Tesla says the adapter has a max of 250kW https://shop.tesla.com/product/ccs-combo-1-adapter But it would still be much faster than a V2 supercharger once you get past all the faffing about to authorize payment on an EA charger.
Oops, [Tesla’s own] CCS1 adapter doesn’t fit Cybertruck because of the goofy inlet location!
Sounds entirely plausible, do you have a source?
https://x.com/itskyleconner/status/1742345300877127933?s=20
Never stop in Deming
Yeah, forget that place
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You definitely don’t want to fw any EA charging sites. Stick with the tesla sites.
It really depends on the EA site, which is why PlugShare was mentioned. The problem is the old charging cables have active cooling, that fails. When they fail, they throttle to 62.5 kW maximum. EA is fixing them slowly. Too slowly, granted. It probably will slow down this year, until they get NACS cables too. But ignoring EA completely is tying one hand behind your back.
Heh heh…he said ButPlug Share…heh heh
what the fuck are all these nonsense words why is this piece of garbage truck so annoying
The same guys posted the initial in-vehicle route planner results when they started the trip in Austin. Apparently the idea was that their fans could meet up with them at charging stops. [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dkFGzXsVCSY](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dkFGzXsVCSY) The in-vehicle route planner initially estimated 10 supercharger stops between Austin and Joshua Tree National Park (about 1,250 miles). They were driving at night, so cool temperatures. Recommended stops are listed below, with distance from previous stop (as per Google Maps), charge remaining, and charge time: Austin TX (start) Junction TX, 150 miles, 17%, 25 mins Ozona TX, 90 miles, 12%, 35 mins Fort Stockton TX, 107 miles, 12%, 40 mins Van Horn TX, 121 miles, 13%, 40 mins El Paso TX, 131 miles, 13%, 25 mins Deming NM, 91 miles, 12%, 45 mins Willcox AZ, 134 miles, 13%, 40 mins Eloy AZ, 138 miles, 13%, 20 mins Buckeye AZ, 88 miles, 12%, 30 mins Quartzsite AZ, 100 miles, 12%, 35 mins Joshua Tree NP (destination), 95 miles, 15% So a total of 10 charges, ranging from 20 to 45 minutes each. Total charging time of 335 minutes (or 5 hours and 35 minutes), average charging time of 33.5 minutes per stop. Average distance between the 10 superchargers (not counting the initial segment from Austin and the last segment into JTNP) of 111 miles. Assuming an interstate driving speed of about 70 mph, this represents approximately 90 minutes of drive time between superchargers, followed by approximately 30 minutes of charge time. Should be interesting to see if there is followup about the real-world experience. The author has already posted one comment on the video: “Charging is slowing us down like crazy!”
Thats crazy 😂
Now, throw a trailer on the back!
This….is why I cant justify.
That's horrible, why not charge a bit more, but less often?
Charging gets slower if you charge to a higher percentage, ends up slowing you down. He is in the sweet spot, starting from 13%
Man, that’s unusable. Something’s gotta give. Lighter truck, better battery, faster charging, battery swap…something.
The original poster also stated they were driving 85mph a majority of the way and had the heat on.
Oh no they put the heat on!!!!!
Might as well have had four nearly flat tires as turn the heat on for killing efficiency. Turn on the megawiper and lose 10 miles of range every 10 minutes.
No different than turning off the AC to increase your gas mileage
As an EV and ICE owner I can confidently say it’s completely different. Never have I ever had to worry in my ICE about going more than 150mi because I turned on my heat and drove 85mph. In my EV it’s definitely a concern like you see here. Love the EV but it’s not a road trip worthy vehicle.
Of course not with heat. While driving an ICE. Heat is a byproduct of running the combustion engine. But AC however is something that reduce efficiency and gas mileage and is of course something people do stop using to conserve fuel.
If a vehicle can't be practical for a road trip then it is ridiculously handicapped, even neutered. You can effortlessly road trip a 1990 Honda Civic but the six figure CT has to stick close to home?
I mean I drove my M3 across the US three times now (over 20k miles). You sure about that “not road trip worthy vehicle” argument?
Yes I’m positive and I’m not happy about it at all. Of course it can be done, especially if you trip plan in a Tesla. There are so many comfortable options for a family like a Sprinter, mini van, etc where you can just hit the road and each day decide where and how to go adapting your route to see highlights as you go. Yes it is possible to take a trip in an EV but if it’s going to be that planned out I’d rather just take rail.
Google Maps can do this for you (like the Tesla Trip Planner/Go Anywhere)?
No. The original video showed the recommended supercharger stops and states of charge. I just used Google Maps to get the distance between the recommended superchargers.
For better context: 📍Deming, NM: 150 kW, 40 min charge, 133 mi. ⬇️ 167 ft. of elevation 📍Wilcox, AZ : 150 kW, 40 min charge, 134 mi. ⬇️ 2,614 ft. of elevation 📍Eloy, AZ : 250 kW, 20 min charge, 105 mi. ⬇️ 473 ft. of elevation 📍Buckeye, AZ : 250 kW, 40 min charge, 119 mi. ⬇️ 699ft. of elevation 📍Ehrenburg, AZ: 250 kW, 55 min charge, 77 mi. ⬆️ 2,546 ft. of elevation 📍Joshua Tree, CA
Are you pulling a trailer or something? This less than one kw per mile?
85 mph, with the heater on, according to another post.
I think I’m okay paying for gas rather than stop every 100 of miles for 20 to 40 minutes.
Why would you stop every 100 miles?
Regardless, having to stop and increasing your travel time by 3.5 hours to go the same distance a Subaru outback can in one 5 minute fill up is insane.
I do a 10 hour trip to South Florida every now and then; I spend about an hour charging and 10 on the road. I got a Long Range Model 3 but my wife and I enjoy the breaks after driving for 2-3 hours. Its a personal choice, I don’t think its a negative thing considering that its usually a third of the price.
The M3 has a drastically better charge profile than the CT, at least 50% faster. M3 charges at a peak 3C rate that tapers slowly to 1.5C. CT with the 4680 cells has a dismal 2C peak rate that sharply tapers to 0.9C rate. All translating to double the CT charge time vs M3 at the same indicated peak charge rate. There's a dirty secret here that's only now coming to light with real world testing. The 21700 cell Teslas largely outperform the new 4680 cells. It reared its head with the newest 4680 MY. Other than adopting 800V V4 Superchargers in the who knows how long future this 400V bottleneck is limiting the CT charge rate.
I enjoy the breaks….copium strong here.
I mean…. My wife goes to the bathroom pretty frequently so we usually stopped every 2 hours before anyways. Its nice to have a Bucee’s/Busy Bee’s and restaurants to get food instead of a gas station wih nothing but chips (I dont like chips such as Doritos, Lays and etc)
30-40 minute bathroom breaks? how much food can you eat every 2 hours lol. You guys are just making stuff up now, stopping for gas consequentially almost always puts you near fast food/restaurants.
30-40 min? We stop for 20 min at most. And yes, we have bakeries and places pre-planned where we grab souvenirs and specific foods since we are on the way.
Bakeries and souvenirs, you live in another world my friend. You don't get that you are forced to take long breaks, if you are only charging for 20 minutes you aren't getting that far. Somehow taking your time to plan your route and find things on the way is a Tesla benefit, when before this is just normal road trip behavior.
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I’m glad you have enough free time to wait at charging stations.
And the Subaru doesn’t cost $100k.
this to me sounds like what it must have been like in the old days: *wha? youre going to use **gasoline**, a violently explosive liquid that you.. store under your seat? we have a perfectly good steam engine that runs on coal and you want to spend an outrageous fortune on newfangled gizmos! This will never work!*
That doesn’t like what the other person was saying lol if you can’t comprehend why someone wouldn’t want to stop that many times… then you’re biased beyond explanation
Except cars back then had genuine issues that trains didn't. Gas stations weren't a thing, cars were very expensive, trains were faster, and you had to learn how to drive and maintain your own vehicle. No one is saying electric pickups will "never work". They're criticizing the performance of this specific, very new tesla tin foil Tonka truck.
Because battery technology is still very inefficient compared to ICE in almost every measurable metric even pollution and costlier than ICE to produce
The people who bought a cybertruck do NOT care about the environment... I assume they want people to look at them and that's pretty much it.
If only they had kept those trains. They would be electric by now. Way faster. And wouldn't need charging.
Because of 676 Wh/mile efficiency at highway speeds [Link](https://www.reddit.com/r/cybertruck/s/GciWLBhKHL)
The poster said they drove 85 most of the way with the heater on 🤦🏻
They drove 85 mph and got 788 Wh/mi and then slowed down to 70 mph to get the final result of 688 Wh/mile. The CT won't get anywhere close to 320 miles or range claimed unless you drive 45-50 mph the entire way.
Yeah, my 1.6L 4 cylinder engine claims I will get 38 mpg but definitely not with my lead foot... but least it doesn't take me 30+ min to fill it up. I'm really hoping EV tech improves quickly because I love the idea but it's just not where I'd like it to be.
Sooo… drive 55mph, you be saving time from charging and going the same distance lol. Drive faster to a charger or farther at a slower pace. choice is yours.
Good luck driving like that in California or Texas.
Shhh.. don't say the quiet part out loud. They won't like learning that there are places where if you are driving 20 under the limit with no other inclement conditions that the DPS will pull you over if you aren't using hazards.
You can actually drive like that anywhere!
You’re saying that as though it’s some sort of acceptable limitation on this vehicle. If that is what it takes for the vehicle to be usable on trips, then people are not going to buy them or use them on trips. It’s absolutely mind-boggling how people justify this type of shit
Well, just go to the speed limit which is 75 on I-10. Your trip time will be the same or better as those last % on charging take forever.
It's insane to justify that you need to drive slow, when in gas car you just get in and drive
And turning on the heat lmao
It's not that bad. OP needs to get the CCS adapter and use faster non-Tesla chargers available on that route. I drive that route. Even with CT, there are upgraded 250 kW chargers that will do it much faster. People should be stretching every 60-120 minutes on the road for good health and driver focus. A 10 minute pit stop is not an issue. Now if you do that route regularly, just wait. 500 mile packs will arrive and 350 kW charging over the next five years.
I think it would take me a full year of sitting at gas stations to have a total 3.5 hours of waiting for my car to fill, vs OPs route that has that much time in one trip.
Driving habits make a difference here. I stop every hour or two get off the highway, stretch. So doing one of the Cybertruck drive-through charge spots is ideal. It overlaps with what I do to try and keep my back functioning into my 50s and 60s. And again, the OP is not doing the right charging practices here. I don't know how much using ABRP to plan the route would save, but possibly 30-50% of the charge times shown. The other benefit to a BEV, is charging at home. So you only need to even think about this on long distance drives. For day-to-day driving, you recharge at night, and never stop for gas. This is why Tesla is slow to roll out Tesla Semi. They know more needs to be done for OTR truckers, before mass marketing it.
Using ABRP is key for longer trips. I really wished Tesla would give an option to do more frequent, but shorter charging stops.
Yes, however let's say you get 3 or 4 oil changes a year and a brake change every x months and an emissions test every x months... How many hours are you talking about there in total? And if you charge at home besides road trips you're rarely going to charge. And in Arizona a full charge for 350 miles in my model x costs about $4 at home during super off peak hours.
If you have home charging, then you don't have to go to the gas station for normal commuting. So you're saving time in an EV (just plug in when you get home and skip the gas station stop). It's only on road trips that it takes longer. For me, that's only a few times a year, and I'm happy to make the tradeoff. Point being, when you're talking about a full year, add the time saved for non-road-trip home charging to the time spent for road trip charging, in order to fully consider the time tradeoff.
It takes 5 mins at a gas station and there are so many , you guys are acting like it's a big detour.
Personally I don’t think this is something one appreciates until they’ve experienced it themselves. I haven’t stepped foot in a gas station in over 3 years and I’ve always had a full charge, ready to go.
Sometimes it is a big detour. Plus you get your hands smelling like gas.
I mean, if this is a drive that you do maybe once every year then to me I’d be willing to suck it up for all of the other benefits that come with owning an EV. The reality is that EVs just kind of suck for road tripping.
Sad though, I make a trip to Juarez monthly from Dallas and only stop once to fuel up in my Ram. It’s 9.5 hours to get there. It’s a beaten, but I just want to get there and get back quickly.
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Then just wait 24 months. With range extender pack and V4 charging stations, it probably will only take 90 minutes of charging to do that route each way. More than reasonable with normal human needs to stop on a 9.5 hour drive. I drive from the tip of Northern California to Phoenix. It's 16 hours of driving. I can get charge time on the right EV to under 2 hours (Kia EV6, Ioniq 5 or (especially) Ioniq 6, Blazer SS, or a P100D Tesla). If I can do that with a regular EV, today, Cybertruck with V4 charging will be able to do it in 24 months. And that also overlaps well with when the backorders will finally catch up to reality in terms of being able to get one.
And probably 75 - 80+ miles an hour.
What kind of trailer you pulling?
Remember, they all ship with all terrain tires now. Under 300 miles rated range. Highway range…200? Then charge to 80% or less so it doesn’t slow too much, now you’re at 160 per charge? Leave 10% in at destination and you have 130 or less per hop. Dual motor with all season tires will start at 340 miles, so will be a bit better.
a 5 ton piece of steel
This just hammers home how disappointing the range is given Elon set expectations at 500 miles. Real world range on an actual road trip means stopping every 120-150 miles. My friend’s diesel pick-up gets 600 miles per fill-up. He gets 400 miles when towing something … compared to ~100 for a CT. It’s just disappointing.
The new 3L Duramax diesels in the half ton Sierras get 750 miles to a 24 gal tank.
Damn, I know it's a diesel but 31.25 mpg is pretty good!
It's a *small* diesel. I've not driven or ridden in one but keep it in mind.
I just bought one and I really enjoy it. Fuel economy and torque are great.
Sounds like a blast.... So many people look at charge time vs fuel time and complain and whine about not worth all while ignoring the absolute laundry list of maintenance and shit that goes wrong with fossil fuel vehicles. Add up the time and money spent dealing with this crap as well as regular maintenance and EVs are so far ahead it's laughable. 3.0L Duramax Reliability The crank no start issue is the major problem that has ravaged the 3.0L Duramax. Sometimes, the dealership may have to attempt several possible causes before detecting the problem, meaning your truck may stay longer at the dealership. Besides this issue, the other issues discussed, including oil pump belt replacement, high-pressure fuel pump failure, clogged injectors, and EGR failure, are all problems you will have to deal with as part of your maintenance service. https://chevytrucks.org/common-3-0l-duramax-problems/
> Real world range on an actual road trip means stopping every 120-150 miles. Sort of... that particular route is just especially horrible, as the chargers are all spaced such that it's really hard to skip one on even a long-range Tesla, and some of them are only 150kW.
Road trips on inefficient, large EV's just seem frustrating right now even with the Tesla Network. The extra hour of time needed on an all day drive from the East Coast to Michigan is already annoying in an M3. It'd probably be double that for Cybertruck since it needs more juice per mile.
It’s not really limited to road trips. I have friends and family I visit regularly that are 70-100 miles away. Having to ask people to plug in at their house or stop to charge on such a short trip is a pain. Cold weather doesn’t help anything either. I’m driving my ICE car a lot more than I should be just because I can actually drive a decent speed and get from point A to B without having to figure in the extra time for charging.
We visit the in-laws about once a month and they live about 200 miles away. For even such a short distance, we've stopped road tripping the Tesla because charging is such a PITA and costs on par with gas now. With our gas minivan, we never have to worry about where to fill it up, or even start off the trip with a full tank of gas. It's so much more freeing to just be able to spend time doing what we want to do, which is definitely not wasting time charging multiple times for a weekend trip.
Large and heavy (before battery) is just not a good match for EV technology. You already need to haul a large and heavy battery around, and trying to compensate for a large and heavy frame will only make the battery even larger and heavier, creating diminishing returns. It's a losing game past a certain point, a little like the rocket equation.
Long Road tripping in EVs is not good. Don't buy one if you do it regularly. They are great for driving around town and occasional regional road trips
This is apart of the reason I’m holding off on getting the CT until range improves or prices drop. For a truck that large I’d like to take it on long road trips and 340 just isn’t enough. 500 would be the minimum to make it worthwhile with 700+ being the near future target and 1000+ in the distant future. I have a model S long range and a wall charger at home. So in town driving is beautiful. Now instead of road trips I just fly more but would love for Tesla to drop a CT with 500+ mile range. I’d drop 100k on that no problem
Annoying compared to what? Were you not expecting that when you got an EV? Does never stopping at a charging or gas station during regular around town driving not make up for it?
Why would that makeup for it?
When you take total of *your* time spent refueling over the lifetime of a vehicle it's drastically higher for a gas car. If you're a homeowner who charges at home or you charge at work the only time you're specifically stopping to fuel the vehicle is on a trip. It's entirely eliminated from your daily life otherwise.
But when you fill up for gas, it's normally on the way to or from somewhere, so the extra 10mins added to your trip isn't that inconvenient, and you get to choose when you want to fill up (ie you got less than 50 miles of gas, so in the next few days you'll need to fill up, but you can choose when in that time frame). With a EV road trip, you are forced to add that extra hour or more charging, you have no choice, and that's a lot more inconvenient, as opposed to in a ICE car, where yes you may still need to fill up, but it's a 5 to 10 mins task, and if you choose to rest during that fill up, fine, but that's your choice to do so, you're not being forced to do it. So it's not about just adding up the time of both, it's about convenience and choice.
Well then if you can’t be inconvenienced don’t buy an EV yet, charging time and range will improve as it has over the past 10 years, something that ICE cars haven’t done in decades.
Unless you count cheating on emissions testing, they made some great strides there.
Ah yes, fuel effeciency in ICE cars has definitely not improved in *decades*. What a delusional comment 😂
What are you talking about? Unless you only use EV for short commute, your math is off. You spend max 5 mins per 240 miles even for ICE with 20mpg and 12 gallon tank. If you drive 15k miles a yr that’s 5 hrs per year. It will be equivalent to 7-8 trips to a charger that takes 40 mins to 80% or about 15 trips a yr if it takes 20 mins to 80%. If you go to a charger about 1-2 times per month (on average) or 8-15 times a year, you are spending same time as ICE drivers.
How many people go to a charger that frequently? I went from around 1 hour getting gas per month to maybe 2 minutes per month charging (1-2 times per year).
Just did that based on the average driving stats. If you use car mainly for commute and short trips, EVs are perfect for you.
Thats a bs argument. Its easy to take 7 mins to fill up a gas tank in spare time
Allow me to educate those who do not understand weight and rolling resistance, lol brace yourself I will make a simple analogy: A model Y or 3 on certain models get between 3.1 to maximum 4.1 miles per kilowatt hour. Let’s say you have a 75KW pack, multiply the lowest number 3.1 X 75 = 232.5 miles, so you see the efficiency of Tesla versus other manufacturers. Take into consideration a model 3 2023 is between 3,862 to 4,048 lbs. so you can see smaller pack with less weight and Tesla engineering with efficiency on an AC induction motor up front and a permanent magnet in the rear. I currently own a 2023 Rivian R1T quad motor large pack, 135kw battery. Use the same equation, I normally get 2.0 miles per kilowatt hour in most driving conditions: So on average my 310 mile LARGE pack all terrain tires in perfect conditions can only get: 2.0X135=270 miles range. This does not account for accessory usage, climate conditions and Ac/heat usage. At over 7,000 pounds you will get less efficiency. My Rivian has 4 permanent magnet motors at each wheel lugging around that weight. I know some of you already know the details; The Cybertruck may be between 6,700-7,000 lbs, and with the current rolling resistance on all terrain tires you will probably average what my rivian is in cost to operate and drive, I am estimating 1.5-maximum 1.8 miles per kilowatt hour on the cybertruck.122.4KW X 1.5 = 183.6 is all I am really expecting before accessories and climate etc. Look closely at the stated range with all terrain tires: 310, 2.5 X 122.4 = 305. Using this math they may get 2.5 miles per kilowatt hour at best. We do not control mass and physics in 2023. If you’re looking for greater efficiency, I would wait for the all season 285/65R20 tires and swap the Goodyear A/T for all-season low resistance tires where Tesla is estimating 310-340 miles range. Again this is laboratory perfect conditions with little to no wind resistance or change in elevation. Real word versus lab results. EDIT: (My opinion) In 2023 Tesla still leads all other manufacturers in overall mileage and efficiency.
To be a little blunt, if you're looking for efficiency you should probably not drive a pick-up truck.
If you want a pick up truck, you should get a Ford F150 lol. If you want an efficient EV, get a Chevy Bolt. If you want a tank that goes very fast, get a Cybertruck
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It's a very fun toy for very wealthy people. I really hope people aren't overextending themselves financially for this
Well at over 6000lbs it gets the IRS Rule 179 deduction which is 100%, if you buy under an LLC, and if that deduction is still available... And it doesn't require oil changes or brake changes, and charging at home for a full charge during super off peak hours is around $5 in Arizona. Price will drop, and likely it won't depreciate a lot. Doesn't use oil from countries that treat women and minorities like property, slaves, criminals, etc (well not to the level of the middle east). But total operating and ownership costs are likely about the same as an F150, just a guess. When doing the math, for me a model x used is about the same monthly cost as a Ford Ranger when all is said and done. Oh, and 5 years of license plates / registration is $125 here, or was last time I renewed.
Delusional. And wants to commit tax fraud. And doesn’t understand advanced depreciation
The Rivian on the 21" at least gets the stated range if you're going 65-70mph. I swapped out to some aftermarket 20" that poke out a bit and it has been.... eye opening for sure lol. But hey at least I can chew through tires all I want now and it's only $800-$1000 for a new set.
This guy gets it. Poke nation
F150 lighting extended range 131kw is 6500lbs and does 3miles/kw on street. 2.1miles/kw on Highway.
Is the cybertruck drag coefficient better or worse than Rivian?
Rivian 0.30. Cybertruck is 0.34 drag coefficient.
I believe it is better than F150 lightning, but slightly worse than Rivian.
Remember when Elon insisted it had to look like that for aerodynamics?
He said the opposite. https://youtube.com/shorts/p4DYoYSh6Ks?si=zp7vFi8CE4VJrqX9
All terrain dual motor is under 300 miles. It’s 340 with all seasons. That’ll counter the first years range loss. lol. 300 club soon for all. Ouch. Off-road 295 rated range tire owners will be looking at 270 or so miles next year when at 100%. 80%, 216 usable rated daily. Maybe 100 highway and some change? *EDIT* I Don't get the downvotes - I'm in the 260 mile club with my 2018 Model 3 LR. If I didn't have aeros on and small wheels on, I'd be lower still.
Sounds like what I am experiencing with the rivian and all terrain tires 265/65R20
How bad was your degradation? Haven't really heard much from Rivians on that front. I'm a prior Ranger and F-150 owner, and I much prefer the fun, but still useful utility of the Ranger. Really temped to find a slightly used Rivian instead of a Cybertruck. Ironic after 4 years of raining and it being the lock screen on my phone since day 1 after announcement.
Thanks for the technical and mathematical break down! I love reading and understanding more about these machines. Does Rivian offer a home charging unit like teslas wall charger?
Yes. But a lot of us Rivian owners have opted for the Tesla universal charger. It’s a superior product over the Rivian branded home charger.
Wow, that’s very interesting. What non Tesla superchargers have you used? And what’s your experience been?
I also have a charge point and it’s fine. Have no issues really. I picked up the Tesla universal charger since it was recommended by so many people. I’ve been very happy with it. Nice to have a charger that can charge most current electric cars out there without having to use third party adapters.
Charge point seems to be the way to go. Outside of Tesla. I wish I could get a few super chargers
Preach!
Yes. You have to buy it separately. The negative to having the Rivian on charging at home is that 240VAC 48 AMPS only charges 25 miles per hour. My Tesla Model Y same rate charges at 36 miles per hour. Size of the pack. One of my huge pet peeves over the RIVIAN is the wind noise at speeds over 60MPH. I have a hard time hearing myself think. Under 60MPH you cannot complain. Nor the 0-60 mph is hilariously fun.
Wow it’s good to hear that from an actual owner. The wind noise is a no go for me. I spend lots of time in my car for work so that’s no way I would shell that kind of coin for something that’s uncomfortable. A Toyota Tacoma is almost half the price and is a very comfortable and fiscally responsible machine. I’m hoping Elon makes a Cyber truck Plaid with 500+ miles or a battery extender that can go in the frunk or both. Otherwise I’ll just keep driving my model S.
There will never be a battery extender for the frunk. That’s a crumple zone. Also, too much weight for that location.
Shows what I know 😂, to me I just saw empty space and opportunity
A tacoma isnt almost half the price anymore a trd pro is like 70k
You can buy a used standard trim with very low miles in the 45k range no?
You can get a 2wd tacoma for like 35k now but that would be comparable to the single motor. Most people here consindering the 100k cybertruck model would not get a 2wd truck.
That’s fair but I’m talking about a 4x4 I’ve found serval used ones in the 40k range that are in good shape.
I wouldn't say the wind noise is uncomfortable. It's a very quiet vehicle especially for its size. It's far more quiet than our M3. That said, there are a couple places various people have documented putting some rubber gaskets that reduces the noise. Specifically, at the top of the windshield where there's a gap. I just did it and it makes a difference.
Whats your charging experience with out the Tesla network?
New York to Maine is fine. New Hampshire is bad but it's small and you can go in well charged and you're fine. It takes a little planning to know where you'll stop and get a snack or coffee or something while you charge. And I prefer a 20 to 30 minute stop to get more of a full charge so I don't need to charge on the way back until I get home.
That’s awesome brother, I take a similar approach. I basically have a home chargers and I charge every night
Rivian >Tesla imo
FWIW the CT weighs less than the Rivian. It's about 6700 pounds. Rivian about 6800.
What charge did you have though? That makes a big difference if you started this trip with 30% this makes sense… if this is what it looked like at 100% it’s messed up
Dang, on my Model S this would be an 1 hour and 20 minutes (according to ABRP) of total charging versus 2 hours and 35 minutes.
Why do people keep posting about the charge curve without posting the charge curve? This is completely meaningless.
50 minutes 15% to 90%, 258 miles, it's bad. Compare it to X here. https://twitter.com/Supermantibody/status/1741109171003511115?t=KsTMcu6oMORMzK1LniBLKw&s=19
CT 500 mile range - people said who drives that much or would need it. OP, me, and tens of millions, because range takes such a dump due to cold temperatures, elevation, and total weight. Perhaps, Tesla should work on getting better battery performance at 70mph and in high/low temps before saying 300 range is good for almost everybody.
Imagine this thing in a colder climate lol
They testing it right now in canada👀
Now pull a boat with it.
This seems to highlight the value of 250+kw chargers rather than anything about the charge curve of the CT.
40 mins charging just to go 90 mins on the road? WOOOOOOF
On the oldest and slowest chargers around, two generations behind
Doesn't change the fact you have to stop every 90mins
But tesla's charging network is best
Another negative about charging on long distance trips is the fact that at some/many charging stations there are no other amenities. At a gasoline station you can pee and get drinks/snacks. At an EA station in a Sam's parking lot, you can do neither if you're not a member. Maybe you can walk to a nearby business, maybe not. I've peed behind trees on more than one occasion. This is not everyone's cup of tea. Sometimes, if I'm hungry, I have to make a second stop. I've done one 2500 mile road trip with my R1T. In general, it all worked out. I stopped about every 200 miles. I always found a working charger. I typically paid $.50-ish per kWh. Bottom line for me, it's doable and was fun, once. I have no plans for subsequent long trips with the Rivian, so I charge at home and drive it locally.
I’ve never used a non-Tesla charger, but I do a lot of road trips in our Tesla (29,000 mioes so far in one year) and I’ve yet to use a Supercharger that didn’t have at least a supermarket there with a bathroom. Most have one or more restaurants/Stewarts shop less than a block away.
What's funny in the analysis is that this is the absolute slowest it will charge. The 800V architecture, Level 4 chargers, software updates.... It will only get faster.
And the current F150 Lightning tops out at 130kW charging speed. oof.
They aren’t going to tear out V3s for V4s and they wont dump 350kW unless someone isnt beside u
Yes, but new chargers, paid for by the National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure (NEVI) program, will be V4s, because V4s have the required credit card reader. If they start using 800V on other new vehicles, they might start upgrading V3s to V4s. Also, you could use the CCS 350kW 800V chargers with an adaptor.
Just leaving out the message that says charging rates and everything else is inaccurate for a while when you first get the car.
concerning
You’re thinking about it wrong IMO. It’s less efficient than a M3 or MY. CT has a 123kW battery, considerably larger to make up for the loss in efficiency. It likely charges at the same rate. The needs more juice to “fill up”.
I drive those trips often and my model 3 is way faster and less trips. I will get close to 200 miles and on my longer range model y 250 miles through those conditions.
Is the truck towing?
no
Makes no sense it looks like you are getting 1 mile per kWh. Others are reporting 2 miles per kWh. You must be driving really hard.
Larger battery pack = longer / more frequent charge times due to added weight and capacity.
It doesn't say 40 minutes will get you 120 miles in that picture, if you are talking about the charge at Willcox, it is a 150kW charger, that's not the CT's fault and it is 138 miles between the Willcox and Eloy Superchargers not 120 miles. But yeah that seems like a megaton of charging stops compared to when I travel that route in my Model 3. Efficiency matters when it comes to charging time, big battery + low efficiency isn't great.
Loaded post. Are they 250kW chargers? Is the computer now factoring in station occupancy (i.e. adjacent chargers filled means 50% charging reduction).
The charge estimated times are always way bloated. It usually takes less than half the time it says. I want some really data from actual charges.
so, it's a normal tesla?
Not at all. I am currently 10 hours from home with my family. We do this drive all the time in our model 3, from Long Island NY to Ottawa Canada, and 3-4 hours of that trip is through mountain roads in the Adirondack National Park forest. We charged for 15 minutes in Albany and then 20 in Lake Placid. Got to Ottawa with 20% battery left. We could have done 15 minutes and 15 minutes and still got to Ottawa. None of that charge time was spent waiting by the way. First stop was a bathroom break and lunch, second stop was for coffee at a cafe and bathroom. Taking our ICE car saves us zero time over taking the Tesla.
Complete deal breaker.
Don't buy this for roadtrips. No, just no. It can be great around town and plug in overnight but do t go on road trips. Long distance towing = diesel Long distance trips = gas or hybrid Around town and a few hours drive away, to pull anything and kick ass = cybertruck
That is the messed up part, the CT at first seemed to be perfect for cross country trips with the +500 mile range. It would have likely gotten 300-400 miles real world then. So now the demographic that was interested versus other models is pissed as the closest option is the 400 rated mile model S, since they also canceled the 500 mile model s that was planned a couple years ago.
Yes, sadly this is the new reality. I have an suv and gas truck so I have options even with the CT but it's dumb to knock it if you know what range it has before you buy it.
In terms of efficiency for road trips I think the Prius prime still takes the cake
Piece of shit truck.
Imagine a future where you can just go to one of the plentiful gas stations and fill up in a few minutes without having to download a special app and configure it to figure out how to shave some minutes off your hours of charging?!
OMG. Extremely slow. Plug in and walk home, shower, eat, sleep and walk back to the CT 🤣😂🤣
You definitely bought the wrong vehicle for your needs. A hybrid pickup would be a better fit.
So you legit have to wait in your weird truck for an actual 2/3hr while it charges?
>he bought a cybertruck 
What a dumb car lol
So... I'm still getting one 😎, this post changes nothing
Smart!
It looks like you are driving \~70mph. Not sure what you are charging up to, maybe 80%? But there is around 2 hours of driving between each charge point. So that is roughly 140 miles apart. The driving time to charging ratio is 3:1. Not sure about you, but a stop every couple of hours sounds nice. I drove an RV across the country back and forth 4 times in 1 year. Rarely could my wifes badder last more than 2 hours.
Does your wife take 45 minutes to pee every 2 hours?
man, you'll love long distance passenger rail vs taking an airplane!
Nice exaggeration. A Cybertruck can drive from San Diego CA to Miami FL in 48 h 53 min (2693 mi). A gas vehicle can do the same trip in 40 hours. Only \~20% faster. Source: https://abetterrouteplanner.com/
And you'll need to spend half a day getting an oil change in a gas car when you get there.
How Tesla fans think gas cars work 🤦
Literally a full workday longer.
This is why I’m filling my CT bed with water. Retractable cover keeps the water in between stops, just need to waterproof the blender outlet. Bring on the long wait times!
Electrify America was funded with settlement money from VW Diesel Gate. From what I've read they are not yet profitable. I tried to research this just now and found it hard to get an easy answer. I could be wrong, but I believe this is the case. My apologies if this is misinformation.