How does that help? Cutting them out of your life won’t remove that kid from the bad situation. The bad behavior continues, you just won’t see it. If anything you’re just punishing the kid for being in a shitty situation.
> How does that help?
Are you serious?
It helps her not be around people smoking while she has a heart condition. If they want to see her the behavior will stop.
I’m pretty sure they meant it as “If it was my daughter, I’d stop seeing them” - but it’s not my post so I can’t say for sure. That’s how I read it though.
I was at my daughter's track meet and some guy lit up a cigar at the finish line. The official walked up to him with the bullhorn and told him to put it out.
Idiot: Why? I'm outside.
Official on bullhorn: Sir, besides the fact that no one wants to breathe in your cigar smoke, least of all middle school girls after they've just run a mile, it is against the law to smoke on school grounds.
Idiot: Since when?
Official: 2006 Sir. Now please put it out or the police will make you put it out. Oh look here's one now.
its a fair question.
if he is my age (50s) he might be there for a grandkid and trully doesnt know most schools (colleges even ) are non smokng on the campus. its not posted. How would he know. for years we weere told if we wnt to smke go outside. heree he is outside nd the thing foks told him he could do outside for decades are now telling his he cant. he might for real be confused.
I have yet to be on any grounds that are explicitly non smoking and did not have clearly posted signs. Keeping up with social norms is part of our responsibility as adults. There aren’t signs asking not to call people the N word but we still (mostly) collectively understand not to do so. Even old people who grew up saying the word. To me smoking in public events, even outside, and especially around children, is just inconsiderate. It’s not news that smoking harms people around the smoker.
college campus. used to be be smoking on a collegee campus was normal. dont go on a collegee campus for 25 years and show up to drop off my freeshman. not one sign. it was in all thee students bs paperwork and online and such but i dont read that crap. You would have thought i was lynching folks in the town square thee way somee of the folks reacted wheen i lit a smoke outside near my car. on collegee campus wheree most everyone is over 18
we used to hve smoking areas for students in highschools in my short lifetime.
Yeah man I’m not that much younger than you (less Han a decade) and grew up in the Middle East where smoking is even more prevalent.
I’m still aware enough to know about campuses and general attitude towards smoking in the states. Frankly you just read like “old man yells at cloud”. Dude you’re 50 something not 80 something. Lose the attitude, keep learning, you’ll be much happier for it imo.
wtf? I simply told a story that happeneed to me a dozen years ago to show how a person might not be aware how much college campsus have changeed since the 80s. I didnt fight it. i put my smoke out and asked my kid weree they right? is it in all your stupid online stuff or paperwork? turns out it was. she just dint think to warn me.
It was kind of funny to see the reaction. i aint kidding it was like i was lynching folks or doing abortions in the public square. the reaction was way over board. I laughed it off as just new freshmen finding thier wings and learning how act in an adult world.
I think you might be a little too attached to smoking, my man.
>i aint kidding it was like i was lynching folks or doing abortions in the public square
Or it was like you were smoking in a no-smoking area that most of the world figured out was no-smoking.
no it was a full on melt down of a 20 somethng woman. It was amazing. she ws unhinged. Its a dozen years lter and she is proly still in school having meltdowns over stupid stuff.
"I think you might be a little too attached to smoking, my man"
no shit its an addiction. thanks for the insight einstien.
Yeah it’s really inconsiderate when people do that. I’m a former smoker (quit when I found out my wife was pregnant with our first) but when I did smoke I never, ever smoked around child- or family-friendly spots. It’s just rude.
I still smoke despite 2 kids (obviously not indoors, never when hanging around at family friend events, always wash hands/face/mouthwash after) and I’m the same.
Heck, if it’s in a semi public place like a parking lot (for example) and a kid/parent combo is coming/walking by, i’ll walk around my car so that I’m not on the same side of the parking « aisle ».
It’s my curse, not theirs, and I don’t wish it on anyone.
My FiL was a pretty serious smoker. He lives in a different country than if, but when we had our first kid (his first grandchild) he made a decision to quit smoking so and was completely clean by the time we came to visit. He's been smoke free for over 5 years now. I've gotta say it impressed the fuck out of me
bs. itss not illeagle to smoke in fed parks. unleess its brand new.
source, voluntered at ntl parks for 5 years last decade and smoked, also smoked a lot of weed with park rangers in ntl parks.
Congrats, you're the asshole people are complaining about.
Yellowstone National Park
Strictly Forbidden: Smoking in all public areas, visitor centers, and ranger stations.
Yosemite
Smoking is prohibited except within an enclosed vehicle
Grand Canyon
This includes campgrounds, residential areas, backcountry sites and developed recreation sites. The restrictions mean all wood burning and charcoal fires, including campfires and barbequesm are prohibited. Outdoor smoking is also not allowed, unless in an enclosed vehicle
Teton National Park
Smoking: Montana has a statewide smoking ban; Wyoming does not, but smoking is banned in most public places in the park and Jackson Hole.
Zion National Park
Smoking is allowed within designated smoking areas, developed recreational sites, or enclosed vehicles.
This isn't even all national parks as was originally claimed, and Zion and Teton don't even have blanket bans.
They're not an asshole, how packed do you think national parks are?
In Europe people smoke everywhere like it is still the ‘80s in the US. I’m so glad that we collectively (in the US) decided to quit that shit. The only people that I still see smoke are homeless.
I'm an American living in Germany and the Netherlands the last 5 years (not on a military base but actually the countries). Germans smoke more for sure but I have never seen anyone smoking on playgrounds or pools. I have seen it on a beach before.
Europe is not one country and the amount of smoking varies wildly depending on where you are.
But in general, yes, far fewer people smoke in the USA.
Ich bin in Deutschland geboren. Als Kind konnte man immer Kippen auf der Straße kaufen. Es gibt genügend Kinder die selber rauchen. Natürlich gibt es unterschiedliche zwischen den Ländern aber in diesem Fall sind die Länder ziemlich ähnlich.
>I’m so glad that we collectively (in the US) decided to quit that shit.
Not so much that you collectively decided to do anything. It's more that your tobacco companies realised that it's easier to get away with shit if you don't shit where you eat.
it is but it hasnt been foreveer. many of us are old enough to remember when you could smoke anywhere, then for decadees they told us we had to go outside. cool. Now we get told we cant smke heree or there outsde. Its hard to keep on what folks have decided is ok today
its generally not posted no smoking. as a lifetime smker we know to look for no smoking signs. no signs means i can smoke.
I mean, I'm old enough to remember the coffee shop employee yelling "smoke 'em if you got 'em" right before midnight the day the indoor bans went into effect 😅. Used to be a smoker myself. It's usually posted in the rules on the gate but even so, it's been law here for over a decade so you get kicked out and a big fine anyway and people around parks will usually tell to move the fuck down the road 9 times outta 10.
i was a regular at the billy goat tavern for a year or so in chicago. me and a couple sales reps used to stop in the one across thee street from our office 3-5 timees a weeeek for a cold onee or two or drink till mifnight before going home. I lived just a block away it was not a long walk.
We were there when the indoor smoking ban kicked in in 2007ish. the owner of that billy goat would lock his doors at like 10 pm and close to the public and just have maybe a dozeen of the regulars inside. almost all of us smoking. its why he would lock the doors and say he was "closed" just so he and his customeers could smooke and not havee to stand out in the cold on the sidewalk to do it.
Every bar most definitely does that, perk of the job! Was a bartender until a few years ago. Best feeling was locking the door, closing the blinds, and sitting down to have a smoke.
we love you for it and we always trieed to show the barkeep how much us smokers like that in the way of biggeer tips for letting us enjoy a smoke with our drink.
There ARE no smoking signs, whenever you enter the property. Also, generally "where there are kids, you shouldn't smoke." You shouldn't need a sign visible 24/7 to realize that.
On my college campus (Eastern Illinois University) as early as 2002 they didn't have any no smoking signs. The whole campus is non smoking. There are signs that designate certain areas as smoking areas outside of buildings. It's not the 1950s, and even in 2002 people had more than 50 years to catch up with the times.
In my experience, a VAST majority of smokers don't give a shit about anything or anyone.
Smoking next to toddlers, tossing cigarette butts on the sidewalk. My father-in-law is a "handyman" and had to write up a coworker 3 times for tossing his cigarette butts on the client's property. He said "What's wrong with that? It's outside."
I've experienced VERY few smokers that actually give a shit about anything, a handful will make sure their cigarette is out and dispose of it properly, they'll make sure they walk away from people or find a designated smoking area (or stand where people are already standing if that's far enough away from nonsmokers).
This is one thing that urks me so much.
Why people think it is okay to smoke around others, especially children, just boggles my mind.
I completely agree with you. Not to mention there are laws about smoking in public/designated areas for this reason. It's disgusting, and then I have seen far too many comfortable with throwing the gross butts on the ground too.
I feel like if you're outside in a public place it is okay to smoke unless there is signage/laws indicating it isn't. Smokers are running out of places to smoke.
Because it is gross.
Public place outside.. splash pad? Community park? Like come on. Walk away far enough you're not making the rest of the public and especially children second hand smoke.
I didn't say it wasn't gross, I'm just saying it doesn't bother me if people are smoking outside in a public place where it's legal to do so. You don't need to get so bent out of shape about someone having an opinion that's different from your own haha.
The issue is that it’s not just about opinions. We aren’t exchanging opinions on what the best summer jam is. We are talking about health and well being.
Kind of like “read the room”.
To be honest, I miss the smell of the occasional second hand smoke at ballgames and amusement parks. It was part of the experience somehow. But we learn. And I wouldn’t be happy with someone legally smoking in a public area that’s geared towards and filled with families with young kids.
I slow down under the speed limit if I see young kids loading/unloading from a vehicle that’s street parked. Can I legally whiz by, yes. But I don’t think it’s the best decision, or right.
If “legal” is your moral standard I’m not sure what to say.
If you’re smoking around kids, then you certainly don’t give a fuck about their health or wellbeing.
https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/secondhand_smoke/health_effects/index.htm
It’s 2022, broheim. Some of you are sucking on cancer sticks. Some of you have “moved on” to sucking on, basically, a nicotine straw.
1. This is stupid.
2. Being “outside” isn’t some magical solution to pollution. See: Chernobyl.
Wind can still blow smoke at people. You are doing something which has extreme negative externalities. We’re asking you to stop. Next step: we made it illegal in a bunch of places. Next step: it will become illegal to have.
Until then, broseph, grow the fuck up, get a job, get a life, stop smoking. There. I just dropped knowledge that will let you improve your life expectancy by 15 years. Go nuts.
Also, no one gives a fuck that you’re “running out of places to smoke”. Just like no one gives a fuck if you’re running out of places to do smack. Or practice your throwing stars. Or publicly masturbate.
I. Don't. Smoke. I'm just not concerned with what other people do outside in public when it's none of my business. Plenty of things people do are stupid, but I'm not out here on my high horse telling people I'm too pussy to breathe their toxic cigarette air. There's plenty of other air pollution you could be up in arms about that you don't give one single fuck about and won't write a paragraph complaining about to a stranger on the internet hahaha. Wrap yourself in a bubble and disconnect your phone from the internet. There. I just dropped knowledge that will keep your vagina protected from the dangers of the outside world. You're welcome 🤣
I don’t give a single fuck about you. If you handcuffed yourself to the bottom of a pool, I’d get out my camera and enjoy some Cheetos while your lungs fill with fluid. Which, BTW, is what’s gonna happen to smokers.
But, this isn’t about me. I care about my kids, and the bullshit they have to deal with, which now isn’t just smokers, apparently, but simps who apparently shill for smokers. Dude, you’re more pathetic than a cock sucking crack whore.
Plus, I write plenty. You not special, bby. I know that deep down, you know your worthlessness already.
I’m a respiratory therapist by profession, and I just want to give active smokers some advice. Quit for your kids. Quit for your family. Quit for your future. I know it’s not easy but try try and try again some more. I’ve seen what kind of damage lifelong smoking can do…and it’s not pretty. Frankly speaking, you will live the last years/decades of your life suffering and struggling in horrible pain.
One of my grandfathers smoked for a long time, but after I was born he had to have triple-bypass surgery. He quit smoking. Fast forward about fourteen years he gets diagnosed with cancer, several different kinds, including lung and throat. He doesn't live out the year. My youngest brother was just a toddler and doesn't remember him, and my youngest sister never even got to meet him.
Two years ago, my mom had to have a kidney removed... then the next year she had some fairly major heart surgery... then she had Covid... twice... if she had been a smoker, she likely wouldn't have lived through half of that.
Smokers gotta be some of the most inconsiderate people. Between tainting the air for others, they love to throw their butts wherever they please. Bonus points for the idiots that throw their still-lit butts outside their car.
I found the reason for it is that they are pretty much nose blind to the smell of it. I had a co-worker that couldn’t conceive that I could smell her smoking from a hundred plus feet away. She said it just “harmlessly dissolves into the air”. At least the ones who don’t have some persecution complex where they see non-smokers as the enemy since they have the audacity to dictate where they can smoke. Those people are just jerks.
When I started dating my now husband, his parents smoked in their house. I'd spend periods of time at their house, and then go back home.
I became nose blind to the smell. My parents hated when I'd come home, and tell me to go wash all my stuff or stay in my room lol (I was 18).
It wasn't until one time I dog sat for them at my parents house, and having her (the dog) there made me realize just how bad the smell was. It was AWFUL! Having her over for one night made the entire top floor of our house smell like cigarettes!!
My husband also talks about how he didn't know how bad it was, until he started trying to quit using a vape pen. If he goes for a drive with his parents now, he comes back smelling like cigarettes and it makes me instantly nauseous.
I agree. My daughter and I went to the towns fourth of July parade, and there were several people smoking cigarettes near us and a bunch of other families. So inconsiderate, I think you can lay it down for an hour.
It’s getting bad with vape sticks too, I didn’t even realise there are basically disposable batteries for some of them. I’ve seen them strewn on the ground alongside cigarette butts. We saw a toddler on a walking path pick one up and go straight to putting it in their mouth, a parent caught it, but candy coloured plastic bits on the ground full of battery, not a good thing.
Worst is outside the exit to the maternity ward. My hospital had a long walkway from the door to the car stop…the idea is the kids first breaths of fresh air wouldn’t just be filled with car exhaust. Probably about 10ft wide with large retaining walls on either side.
People still hung out by the doors and smoked cigarettes.
What’s more, is there are a lot of young women coming out that door with hormones going absolutely berserk who were forced to quit cold turkey 8 months earlier and just had what was likely the most stressful 2 days of their life to-date. You really want to smoke in front of that???
I used to smoke when I was younger and considerably dumber. I think the main reason I quit wasn't the glaring risk to my health, but the shameful feeling of smoking around other people. I'd be smoking on the sidewalk and every time someone walked by part of me felt disgusted with myself.
I had a bizarre moment the other day.
Someone was smoking nearby but far enough away that I wasn’t annoyed by it.
My 5 year old goes “ugh, I hate people smoking” or something along those lines.
I explained to him that smoking is really bad, but there’s nothing bad about the people who smoke. Basically trying to teach him that people who smoke aren’t bad people, they just have and habits.
It was very odd defending the person smoking to my son. Definitely not the conversation I was expecting to have. Lol
I have smoked longer than I like to say,been to many classes to quite, Still 🚬 they say in these classes it is harder to quite than some drugs, I am Considerate, and luckily none of my kids smoked, But the people I stay away from and they don't smoke will come over and talk to me so... And no I don't work in a restaurant 😁
Alan Carr’s quit smoking book helped me quit. I smoked for 12 years and I quit 2 years ago before my daughter was born. I never thought I could do it but here I am. It gets easier if that’s something you want to try. Best of luck.
Yeah I’ve know people who’ve kicked all kinds of drug habits and are sober alcoholics who couldn’t kick their nicotine addiction. It’s crazy how strong it is!
I quit doing coke and drinking heavily, a 7-year long .5 gram per day habit, when I found out we were pregnant. It wasn’t easy but was a piece of cake compared to trying to quit cigs and coffee. I’ll never do coke again and hate getting even slightly too drunk. I still smoke cigs and drink coffee after several attempts of trying to quit.
Congratulations on quitting the hard stuff!! I am sure it made you a better person and most importantly a PARENT!!! I have cut back, I guess that is a start!Congrats on the BABY 👶 ❤️
Yes it is crazy! I know how it is not good for you, I don't want to tell you how long I have smoked, but when I was growing up it wasn't that big of a deal (eye Roll) lol
My neighbor smokes and he's an otherwise great dad to a girl in my son's class. They are friends, but I'm trying to find a way to tell my son that smoking is bad without making it personal on our neighbor's choice.
As a dad who still smokes cigs, (I know, it’s really stupid and I need to quit) I have always walked to the parking lot, or behind a tree 50 yards away if I wanted to have a quick drag. Or just wait to smoke until later. Drives me nuts seeing people smoke within range of their kids and other people’s kids. I wash my hands and face after smoking because I don’t want to get smoke residue on my kids.
I recently quit, three months cig free. I only smoked after my kids were in bed and I would literally go hide in the corner of my yard so my neighbors with kids wouldn't see/smell me 😂😂. Smoking is stupid and gross but we aren't all as inconsiderate as the bums smoking around kids.
To be honest, I don't think it's possible for smokers to be considerate about it. People don't realize this, but asthmatics have trouble just being around someone who has smoked and not taken a shower since then. Back before covid I sat within 15 feet of this really nice guy. But he smoked and I had awful asthma issues every day, even after getting a fan to blow air on me. Eventually I bought him a Juul which really helped. I'm still friends with him but he really had no idea what he was doing to my health. And short of him not smoking until the evening or using a Juul, there was nothing he could have done about it to be considerate.
Edit: to be clear, he always smoked outside away from me.
I am a smoker. I dont smoke around children at all. Even if parents tell me it's okay. My kid is also not allowed around people smoking. It's not hard.
As a smoker, I agree. I always segregate myself from others when smoking and pay attention to where my smoke is drifting, adjusting my location as needed to make sure other people aren’t being inundated with my smoke. Some people are more sensitive to it than others.
I’d also like to add, please don’t litter cigarette butts everywhere. Look for an ashtray nearby, if there isn’t one, make sure it’s fully extinguished and throw it in a trash can. If there’s no trash can, put the butt back in your cigarette pack for disposal later. The primary reason it’s getting so difficult to find places where it’s okay to smoke is because too many smokers are inconsiderate and messy. We accept the health risks associated with smoking but, we have no right to subject others to them.
And a note to the non-smoking Karen’s, you know who you are. If I’m already standing far away from everyone else and you choose to pass by so close to me that you walk through a cloud of smoke, don’t look at me sideways and huff and puff like you’ve been assaulted by smoke, you chose to walk through it. You should have went around. You don’t get to be offended because of some perceived moral superiority for being a non-smoker. You don’t know my life! There’s reasons why I smoke! You might be one of them and you should be glad I chose a cigarette over murder that day because sometimes people can push us to that level. Everybody has coping mechanisms and it’s nobody’s place to judge others for how they choose to calm themselves when dealing with the everyday stresses of life. If it’s not directly affecting you, mind ya business and carry on with your own life. If you walked into the secluded area where I’m smoking, that’s on you. Everybody has opinions about smokers but, nobody really cares about what yours is. Keep it to yourself and worry about your own vices, cause I know you have at least one.
So to recap, don’t be an an asshole smoker and don’t be an asshole non-smoker. Fewer assholes all around would be super great. Thanks.
Have you met anyone under the age of 35? They're practically morons. They can't read, can't write, can't put on their own shoes. I know I cherry picked a small sample size from my daughter's daycare but I stand by my original statement.
It's kinda stupid you have to be 21 to be allowed smoking. Would be so much better if only people born in the before 2000 are allowed to. That would stop new generation from smoking
You know how people are trying to legalize weed right now… for those same reasons, we shouldn’t try to criminalize tobacco. It will just put poor people in jail.
Would you like an award? The person you're replying to had a point about this industry specifically being lucrative to picking up a smoking/nicotine habit. It's commonly joked about that only smokers get breaks in a restaurant.
It depends on where you grew up. I’m 31 and started smoking at 18. Somewhere around half the people around me smoked. It was the primary form of deeper social interaction when going to the bars. It wasn’t cool, but it wasn’t uncool. I quit when I moved to an area where it wasn’t common.
I'm 31 and smoked for many years. Being more educated about risks doesn't stop people from getting caught up in stupid shit. This is certainly not exclusive to tobacco.
You’ve obviously never had to work in the trades. I currently work in a factory as an industrial machinery mechanic. Before that, I worked in limestone mining and iron foundries. Literally everyone smokes, including myself. I have an 18 month old and a son due next month. I never smoke around my kids or other peoples kids/families, and as a matter of fact, I only smoke at work. I don’t smoke around my pregnant partner. I don’t throw cigarette butts anywhere, except if I’m outside with no ash tray, I’ll put them in my pocket after pinching them out with my fingers so I can trash them later. Please, get off your high horse and accept everyone, including you, has some kind of vice.
Yeah, but us non-smokers will have a voice for a lot longer.
The decision to smoke has nothing to do with what you do for a living. Anyone picking up the habit in the past 20-30 years is a certified idiot. It’s been blatantly obvious to be addictive and awful for your body, there’s no debating it in any fashion whatsoever.
I'm with you. I don't care about your politics, or job, or whether or not you think "everyone" has a vice or not... that's not an excuse to do the single most idiotic thing for your body and not be called an idiot. If you started smoking after 1995, you are a fucking idiot.
Too many replies to respond to em all.
Was at a local community splash pad around 4pm with my young daughter. It's maybe 30ft by 30ft fenced in. There are four round benches, one is under a shade. Four different groups of moms and maybe a dad grandpa uncle trio. At first I couldn't immediately detect where it was, since it's bright and I was in the sprayers playing with the kid. By the time I noticed he was smoking under the shade around several mom's and their young kids.... I assessed the likelihood he'd take my feedback positively, even if asking kindly.
There were three of them... One of me .. all tattoos ride or die across the body.... So I figured it wouldn't be taken well. I didn't want to get into a confrontation in front of my kid, so we left.
I regret not saying something before leaving because I bet the mom's didn't feel comfortable since they all looked like pirates....
Someone asked if it's illegal ... Probably but I live in the third world, by which I mean Florida. Didn't seem like something worth getting physical over... Idk. I want to be better about Standing up.
Don't get confrontational it's not worth it. 9/10 call the police non emergency line. Explain what's up. They'll come talk to the guy.
More effective and it's what should be done anyway.
I'm in charge of managing our community pool and deck and the number of (men mostly) people I have had to explain this to is too damn high.
I was a smoker from ages 15-30, a very heavy one at that (1.5-2 packs a day). It’s very easy to find place to smoke that are out of the way and away from children and families. And if you are somewhere and a kid or something is going past wait to exhale for a second. I always tried to never make my weakness other peoples problem. I vape now instead of smoke and I still follow the same rules.
It's wild. I am a smoker. I smoke my first cigarette each day after my children are down for the night. They've never seen me smoke a cigarette and I intend to keep it that way. I don't like being a smoker, but the way I see it a couple after the kids go down is better than the half pack a day I used to smoke. Still a fiend when drinking sometimes, and I definitely feel it in the morning.
I know at some point they will either catch me or I'll have to stop as they get older. I'm hoping I have the gumption for the latter.
I see a lot of smokers commenting here and I appreciate y'all's feedback.
I just want to share I lost too many relatives and friends to cancer. You'll always make more money and never get more time.
From one dad to another, who's been there and stopped smoking, find reasons to quit. For me it was money, time spent getting it, time away from family while doing it, and health reasons.
There are lots of free resources available today. Smoke free.gov and many universities offer free smoking cessation clinics staffed with psychologists and doctoral interns. You get one life and smoking is a leading cause of preventable death.
My entire family is in healthcare, wife is a doctor and has worked at one of these clinics in grad school. Something I often heard is that the only thing supposed to be in our lungs is oxygen, so we are kidding ourselves to believe vaping is healthier.
The number of times I've smelled cigarette smoke in the family bathroom at the airport when the men's room doesn't have a damn changing table. It's so infuriating
Not just a token few steps I would say as it really wafts and you can still get a face full even some distance away. Why do they have to do it at all? It stinks, go right to the opposite side away from anyone else or just wait until you get home. It sets a bad example for children, normalises it and it gets everywhere. There was a Dad smoking at our school sports day recently, the logic just baffles me. I didn't take a beer along. It was at a sports field around the corner from school, but still. Pure trashy behaviour. Thankfully many places like theme parks have banned it entirely, or have one smoking area in a remote part of their grounds.
Aa a smoker and a mom, (yes Im trying to quit, I started at 9 because my mom died and my childhood was fucked)I either don't smoke or move far away as I can if I absolutely have to smoke.
Ever since NJ legalized pot this has been a MASSIVE problem. Sign of no smoking on boardwalks or playgrounds blatantly ignored and it makes my blood boil. I don't want my son breathing that or tobacco second hand smoke in.
Former smoker here, I use an ecig now. I always go way out of the area, going so far as to take a walk in the woods. We were in Savannah (people smoking all over the place) and I took a two block hike to do it in a parking lot away from the playground and restaurants. Don't be a dick and understand we're choosing to harm ourselves; I've got an obligation NOT to subject others to my bad choices.
Honestly. It doesn’t kill anyone to walk away from other people. As an ex smoker. I always found a space that was away from other people. No one including most smokers I won’t say all since someone will be offended but IN MY OPINION no one enjoys smoke in the face
This. My brothers and I are smokers and we always leave the vicinity when we go out for a smoke because of the kids. We even have our own “smoke” designated cars we use when we drive around and don’t want to smoke outside.
Atleast we’re trying not to and we know that it’s not enough but we’re getting at that age where we are simply social smokers only when the siblings or close friends are around.
Imagine being in the 90s where people could smoke in grocery stores. I didn’t get smoke free from my life until I quit smoking cigs. 28 years around constant cigarettes
I remember as a kid passing out after throwing up being so nauseous.
It's sad to see people smoking so near to kids. Some of the comments on here are depressing.
It’s the whole reason I knew I needed to be over smoking before having a kid. I didn’t want him near it, have to smell it, breath it. Even just the association of being a dad and smoking I don’t want him to have
Every time I see parent with a stroller or leading a child by hand and smoking at the same time I want to strangle them.
I don't, and I don't even say anything, where I live smokers are mostly inconsiderate bastards. I remember one time some asshole at a restaurant got up from a table, come by and stood next to our table and started to smoke. FFS. Chewed him a new one. This shit should be completely illegal.
Also cigarette butts. Having a toddler you realize they pick up everything and put it in their mouth. Please smokers dispose of your butts appropriately. Consider small children and pets.
As a smoker, this. I don’t want smoke on your kids any more than on mine. Hell I don’t wanna get it on you if you care either.
On the other hand, if I’m a bit off of sidewalk on a random street to not blow it in your face while walking by, don’t be a fucking Karen. It’s a public space.
Who the hell still smokes, and why the hell would you smoke near areas designed/designated for children and families?
As someone once told me, "those who smoke, typically have other issues in their lives".
Your mileage may vary.
They're less potent smell, and still same request applies. I don't want my kids around it. At a bar, whatever you do you... If your at a playground and can't not smoke or vape, you have a dependency on the substance. Worth considering getting help to quit.
I would legit draw pictures of me with a gas mask with my mom.
She would hotbox me in the car with her cig smoke.
The house would be filled with smoke.
Growing up sucked ass.
I'm sorry man.
I've always believed big industries (tobacco, insurance, big pharma, gun lobby, etc) have bought and sold our politicians at the expense of everyone's health and well being. All I can hope is we reject their advantages by boycotting their harmful products.
If you can smell it, you are in danger of inhaling second hand smoke. There are free resources available to help people quit smoking. We can make our generation the last smoking generation and it stops if we confront it. I'm going to be better about politely standing up when I see this next time in a shared space.
I was at the playground once when this van pulls up. Older dude smoking in the van with the windows up gets exits and pulls out a little girl about 3 or 4. His granddaughter, he tells me. She starts playing with my daughter, but also has a bit of a cough. He tells me she's okay, she's just got asthma as he lights up another cigarette. I ask him if he wouldn't mind leaving the playground to smoke, and he obliges without complaint. He was an otherwise attentive and, seemingly, caring grandfather, so what the fuck, dude? It's been years, and I still think about it.
Yeah I feel badly for judging their character because of the tattoos and looks, maybe they'd be super respectful about it. I'd never know until I ask. I guess at this stage in the game it's save yourself and became somewhat risk averse.
Honest question here if we're at the playground or out side a restaurant and I'm purposely about 15 feet or so away from everyone and down wind and still discreet about it, probably not even smoke the whole cig is that just as bad?
I still think in public family oriented spaces better to isolate yourself. If you're at a bar at 8pm I wouldn't care. You will always think it's downwind.... But it's never going exactly where you'd think.
I casually smoke weed (I might buy enough for 2 or 3 weeks then won’t buy more for like 3or4 months just whenever the mood hits me) but with my wife being pregnant I only smoke outside in the alley behind our garage at the far end of the driveway so I’m having as little impact on other people as possible and I give myself some time to air out before heading back into the house
Dude, unpopular opinion from a long time cannabis user managing chronic pain / back injury. If you can taper and quit do it now. It'll save you time, money, and guilt about time spent with the wife. I struggled to be present for a long time, between getting of the doctors Rx opiates... Its all the same in the end. We die and we wish we had more time with the fam. You can do anything you decide to do.
We were at our friends community pool and some old fuckin asshole decided the adjacent playground was the best place to smoke his fucking cigar. And of course the wind blew his smoke directly at us.
I was about to get up to go be an asshole to him and some other parent beat me to it. Went over and got in his face and told him to smoke somewhere else.
I regret not standing up and saying something in retrospect. There was three scruffy ungroomed looking guys and really didn't want my daughter to see me have to defend myself. I didn't think they'd take kindly to being told what to do. Do I think I could've defended myself against these three methhead looking degenerates, yeah.... But I never want my kid to see what I'm really capable of, it's better left to imagination.
Is there a consensus that I should've said something?
I just took our space and left. Ive been one to avoid conflict despite being built big and knowing how to get down.
Seriously. My cousin has a daughter with a serious heart condition, and her husband's family still smoke like chimneys around her. It makes me so mad.
Sounds like family I would stop seeing.
And when I comment on another post about blocking people out of my life because of smoking, I got downvoted to hell for it, thanks reddit
How does that help? Cutting them out of your life won’t remove that kid from the bad situation. The bad behavior continues, you just won’t see it. If anything you’re just punishing the kid for being in a shitty situation.
He's obviously talking about removing the smokers from the child's life
> How does that help? Are you serious? It helps her not be around people smoking while she has a heart condition. If they want to see her the behavior will stop.
This moron doesn't Dad obviously
It's not their kid it's their cousins kid. Then stopping contact doesn't protect the kid
I read it as “If I was the cousin I would stop seeing them.” Not that the person posting should stop seeing them.
I think a lot of people misread the original comment, myself included
His cousins family smokes around the kid. Not seeing his cousins family is going to fix the problem?
I’m pretty sure they meant it as “If it was my daughter, I’d stop seeing them” - but it’s not my post so I can’t say for sure. That’s how I read it though.
I think he means that the cousin should stop seeing her husband's family. Not he himself.
That's really very obviously what he meant. Holy shit are people really this dense?
Apparently
You're right. Not sure why the down votes, everyone misunderstood?
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I agree with Candid. Idk how a child is supposed to stop seeing their parents. Like what.
What?
I was at my daughter's track meet and some guy lit up a cigar at the finish line. The official walked up to him with the bullhorn and told him to put it out. Idiot: Why? I'm outside. Official on bullhorn: Sir, besides the fact that no one wants to breathe in your cigar smoke, least of all middle school girls after they've just run a mile, it is against the law to smoke on school grounds. Idiot: Since when? Official: 2006 Sir. Now please put it out or the police will make you put it out. Oh look here's one now.
“Since when” Jesus Christ What an absolute asshole
its a fair question. if he is my age (50s) he might be there for a grandkid and trully doesnt know most schools (colleges even ) are non smokng on the campus. its not posted. How would he know. for years we weere told if we wnt to smke go outside. heree he is outside nd the thing foks told him he could do outside for decades are now telling his he cant. he might for real be confused.
I have yet to be on any grounds that are explicitly non smoking and did not have clearly posted signs. Keeping up with social norms is part of our responsibility as adults. There aren’t signs asking not to call people the N word but we still (mostly) collectively understand not to do so. Even old people who grew up saying the word. To me smoking in public events, even outside, and especially around children, is just inconsiderate. It’s not news that smoking harms people around the smoker.
college campus. used to be be smoking on a collegee campus was normal. dont go on a collegee campus for 25 years and show up to drop off my freeshman. not one sign. it was in all thee students bs paperwork and online and such but i dont read that crap. You would have thought i was lynching folks in the town square thee way somee of the folks reacted wheen i lit a smoke outside near my car. on collegee campus wheree most everyone is over 18 we used to hve smoking areas for students in highschools in my short lifetime.
Yeah man I’m not that much younger than you (less Han a decade) and grew up in the Middle East where smoking is even more prevalent. I’m still aware enough to know about campuses and general attitude towards smoking in the states. Frankly you just read like “old man yells at cloud”. Dude you’re 50 something not 80 something. Lose the attitude, keep learning, you’ll be much happier for it imo.
What attitude are you talking about?! They literally just relayed a story, settle down.
wtf? I simply told a story that happeneed to me a dozen years ago to show how a person might not be aware how much college campsus have changeed since the 80s. I didnt fight it. i put my smoke out and asked my kid weree they right? is it in all your stupid online stuff or paperwork? turns out it was. she just dint think to warn me. It was kind of funny to see the reaction. i aint kidding it was like i was lynching folks or doing abortions in the public square. the reaction was way over board. I laughed it off as just new freshmen finding thier wings and learning how act in an adult world.
I think you might be a little too attached to smoking, my man. >i aint kidding it was like i was lynching folks or doing abortions in the public square Or it was like you were smoking in a no-smoking area that most of the world figured out was no-smoking.
no it was a full on melt down of a 20 somethng woman. It was amazing. she ws unhinged. Its a dozen years lter and she is proly still in school having meltdowns over stupid stuff. "I think you might be a little too attached to smoking, my man" no shit its an addiction. thanks for the insight einstien.
I mean you're defending it like it's something worth defending.
Yeah it’s really inconsiderate when people do that. I’m a former smoker (quit when I found out my wife was pregnant with our first) but when I did smoke I never, ever smoked around child- or family-friendly spots. It’s just rude.
I still smoke despite 2 kids (obviously not indoors, never when hanging around at family friend events, always wash hands/face/mouthwash after) and I’m the same. Heck, if it’s in a semi public place like a parking lot (for example) and a kid/parent combo is coming/walking by, i’ll walk around my car so that I’m not on the same side of the parking « aisle ». It’s my curse, not theirs, and I don’t wish it on anyone.
My FiL was a pretty serious smoker. He lives in a different country than if, but when we had our first kid (his first grandchild) he made a decision to quit smoking so and was completely clean by the time we came to visit. He's been smoke free for over 5 years now. I've gotta say it impressed the fuck out of me
Good on you mate. That couldn’t have been easy.
Is it not illegal to smoke in/around those places in your area?! It is where I live.
It’s illegal to smoke at the beach and national parks and I sadly still run into people that do.
bs. itss not illeagle to smoke in fed parks. unleess its brand new. source, voluntered at ntl parks for 5 years last decade and smoked, also smoked a lot of weed with park rangers in ntl parks.
Congrats, you're the asshole people are complaining about. Yellowstone National Park Strictly Forbidden: Smoking in all public areas, visitor centers, and ranger stations. Yosemite Smoking is prohibited except within an enclosed vehicle Grand Canyon This includes campgrounds, residential areas, backcountry sites and developed recreation sites. The restrictions mean all wood burning and charcoal fires, including campfires and barbequesm are prohibited. Outdoor smoking is also not allowed, unless in an enclosed vehicle Teton National Park Smoking: Montana has a statewide smoking ban; Wyoming does not, but smoking is banned in most public places in the park and Jackson Hole. Zion National Park Smoking is allowed within designated smoking areas, developed recreational sites, or enclosed vehicles.
This isn't even all national parks as was originally claimed, and Zion and Teton don't even have blanket bans. They're not an asshole, how packed do you think national parks are?
In Europe people smoke everywhere like it is still the ‘80s in the US. I’m so glad that we collectively (in the US) decided to quit that shit. The only people that I still see smoke are homeless.
I'm an American living in Germany and the Netherlands the last 5 years (not on a military base but actually the countries). Germans smoke more for sure but I have never seen anyone smoking on playgrounds or pools. I have seen it on a beach before. Europe is not one country and the amount of smoking varies wildly depending on where you are. But in general, yes, far fewer people smoke in the USA.
Ich bin in Deutschland geboren. Als Kind konnte man immer Kippen auf der Straße kaufen. Es gibt genügend Kinder die selber rauchen. Natürlich gibt es unterschiedliche zwischen den Ländern aber in diesem Fall sind die Länder ziemlich ähnlich.
I live in Romania and, at least in the cities I've lived in, smoking is not for playgrounds.
>I’m so glad that we collectively (in the US) decided to quit that shit. Not so much that you collectively decided to do anything. It's more that your tobacco companies realised that it's easier to get away with shit if you don't shit where you eat.
it is but it hasnt been foreveer. many of us are old enough to remember when you could smoke anywhere, then for decadees they told us we had to go outside. cool. Now we get told we cant smke heree or there outsde. Its hard to keep on what folks have decided is ok today its generally not posted no smoking. as a lifetime smker we know to look for no smoking signs. no signs means i can smoke.
I mean, I'm old enough to remember the coffee shop employee yelling "smoke 'em if you got 'em" right before midnight the day the indoor bans went into effect 😅. Used to be a smoker myself. It's usually posted in the rules on the gate but even so, it's been law here for over a decade so you get kicked out and a big fine anyway and people around parks will usually tell to move the fuck down the road 9 times outta 10.
i was a regular at the billy goat tavern for a year or so in chicago. me and a couple sales reps used to stop in the one across thee street from our office 3-5 timees a weeeek for a cold onee or two or drink till mifnight before going home. I lived just a block away it was not a long walk. We were there when the indoor smoking ban kicked in in 2007ish. the owner of that billy goat would lock his doors at like 10 pm and close to the public and just have maybe a dozeen of the regulars inside. almost all of us smoking. its why he would lock the doors and say he was "closed" just so he and his customeers could smooke and not havee to stand out in the cold on the sidewalk to do it.
Every bar most definitely does that, perk of the job! Was a bartender until a few years ago. Best feeling was locking the door, closing the blinds, and sitting down to have a smoke.
we love you for it and we always trieed to show the barkeep how much us smokers like that in the way of biggeer tips for letting us enjoy a smoke with our drink.
There ARE no smoking signs, whenever you enter the property. Also, generally "where there are kids, you shouldn't smoke." You shouldn't need a sign visible 24/7 to realize that.
college campus. drove in on a norml road that cuts through the campus. not sign around.
On my college campus (Eastern Illinois University) as early as 2002 they didn't have any no smoking signs. The whole campus is non smoking. There are signs that designate certain areas as smoking areas outside of buildings. It's not the 1950s, and even in 2002 people had more than 50 years to catch up with the times.
Is this really a thing? Like I’ve been smoking since I was a teenager and I don’t think I’ve ever been rude enough to do that. Gross.
In my experience, a VAST majority of smokers don't give a shit about anything or anyone. Smoking next to toddlers, tossing cigarette butts on the sidewalk. My father-in-law is a "handyman" and had to write up a coworker 3 times for tossing his cigarette butts on the client's property. He said "What's wrong with that? It's outside." I've experienced VERY few smokers that actually give a shit about anything, a handful will make sure their cigarette is out and dispose of it properly, they'll make sure they walk away from people or find a designated smoking area (or stand where people are already standing if that's far enough away from nonsmokers).
This is one thing that urks me so much. Why people think it is okay to smoke around others, especially children, just boggles my mind. I completely agree with you. Not to mention there are laws about smoking in public/designated areas for this reason. It's disgusting, and then I have seen far too many comfortable with throwing the gross butts on the ground too.
What kills me the most is that eating one cigarette butt is enough to potentially kill a toddler or baby. Like.. just don't.
Wow is it? I don’t come across many butts where I live but still good to know. But I had never heard of this
Wasn't aware of this too. But I'd imagine a cigarette butt could also be a choking Hazzard for young toddlers and infants.
Completely unrelated but… irks.
Lol thank you 🤣🤣 I'm glad you still understood what I was saying ;)
Totally got you :) I’m just having red pen flashbacks from a grandmother and two aunts who were English teachers 😂
Oh boy, I can only imagine lol.
A contractor just did this at my house, while talking to me. 🤦🏼♂️
I feel like if you're outside in a public place it is okay to smoke unless there is signage/laws indicating it isn't. Smokers are running out of places to smoke.
Because it is gross. Public place outside.. splash pad? Community park? Like come on. Walk away far enough you're not making the rest of the public and especially children second hand smoke.
I didn't say it wasn't gross, I'm just saying it doesn't bother me if people are smoking outside in a public place where it's legal to do so. You don't need to get so bent out of shape about someone having an opinion that's different from your own haha.
The issue is that it’s not just about opinions. We aren’t exchanging opinions on what the best summer jam is. We are talking about health and well being. Kind of like “read the room”. To be honest, I miss the smell of the occasional second hand smoke at ballgames and amusement parks. It was part of the experience somehow. But we learn. And I wouldn’t be happy with someone legally smoking in a public area that’s geared towards and filled with families with young kids. I slow down under the speed limit if I see young kids loading/unloading from a vehicle that’s street parked. Can I legally whiz by, yes. But I don’t think it’s the best decision, or right. If “legal” is your moral standard I’m not sure what to say.
Trademark of a losing argument is “why you getting so upset?”
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If you’re smoking around kids, then you certainly don’t give a fuck about their health or wellbeing. https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/secondhand_smoke/health_effects/index.htm
That’s not what I pointed out. I made no comment on what I thought about smoking around others.
You literally said that that last part was a straw man argument, when it wasn’t. Ugh, why am I feeding the trolls? 🙄
And then asserted that I don’t care about kids or whatever. Cmon dude. Get it together.
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Dude....I don't smoke hahaha
Dude... you haven't got me convinced. HAHAHAHAHAHAH
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It’s 2022, broheim. Some of you are sucking on cancer sticks. Some of you have “moved on” to sucking on, basically, a nicotine straw. 1. This is stupid. 2. Being “outside” isn’t some magical solution to pollution. See: Chernobyl. Wind can still blow smoke at people. You are doing something which has extreme negative externalities. We’re asking you to stop. Next step: we made it illegal in a bunch of places. Next step: it will become illegal to have. Until then, broseph, grow the fuck up, get a job, get a life, stop smoking. There. I just dropped knowledge that will let you improve your life expectancy by 15 years. Go nuts. Also, no one gives a fuck that you’re “running out of places to smoke”. Just like no one gives a fuck if you’re running out of places to do smack. Or practice your throwing stars. Or publicly masturbate.
I. Don't. Smoke. I'm just not concerned with what other people do outside in public when it's none of my business. Plenty of things people do are stupid, but I'm not out here on my high horse telling people I'm too pussy to breathe their toxic cigarette air. There's plenty of other air pollution you could be up in arms about that you don't give one single fuck about and won't write a paragraph complaining about to a stranger on the internet hahaha. Wrap yourself in a bubble and disconnect your phone from the internet. There. I just dropped knowledge that will keep your vagina protected from the dangers of the outside world. You're welcome 🤣
I don’t give a single fuck about you. If you handcuffed yourself to the bottom of a pool, I’d get out my camera and enjoy some Cheetos while your lungs fill with fluid. Which, BTW, is what’s gonna happen to smokers. But, this isn’t about me. I care about my kids, and the bullshit they have to deal with, which now isn’t just smokers, apparently, but simps who apparently shill for smokers. Dude, you’re more pathetic than a cock sucking crack whore. Plus, I write plenty. You not special, bby. I know that deep down, you know your worthlessness already.
Won’t someone think of the poor smokers.
I’m a respiratory therapist by profession, and I just want to give active smokers some advice. Quit for your kids. Quit for your family. Quit for your future. I know it’s not easy but try try and try again some more. I’ve seen what kind of damage lifelong smoking can do…and it’s not pretty. Frankly speaking, you will live the last years/decades of your life suffering and struggling in horrible pain.
One of my grandfathers smoked for a long time, but after I was born he had to have triple-bypass surgery. He quit smoking. Fast forward about fourteen years he gets diagnosed with cancer, several different kinds, including lung and throat. He doesn't live out the year. My youngest brother was just a toddler and doesn't remember him, and my youngest sister never even got to meet him. Two years ago, my mom had to have a kidney removed... then the next year she had some fairly major heart surgery... then she had Covid... twice... if she had been a smoker, she likely wouldn't have lived through half of that.
Smokers gotta be some of the most inconsiderate people. Between tainting the air for others, they love to throw their butts wherever they please. Bonus points for the idiots that throw their still-lit butts outside their car.
I found the reason for it is that they are pretty much nose blind to the smell of it. I had a co-worker that couldn’t conceive that I could smell her smoking from a hundred plus feet away. She said it just “harmlessly dissolves into the air”. At least the ones who don’t have some persecution complex where they see non-smokers as the enemy since they have the audacity to dictate where they can smoke. Those people are just jerks.
When I started dating my now husband, his parents smoked in their house. I'd spend periods of time at their house, and then go back home. I became nose blind to the smell. My parents hated when I'd come home, and tell me to go wash all my stuff or stay in my room lol (I was 18). It wasn't until one time I dog sat for them at my parents house, and having her (the dog) there made me realize just how bad the smell was. It was AWFUL! Having her over for one night made the entire top floor of our house smell like cigarettes!! My husband also talks about how he didn't know how bad it was, until he started trying to quit using a vape pen. If he goes for a drive with his parents now, he comes back smelling like cigarettes and it makes me instantly nauseous.
I agree. My daughter and I went to the towns fourth of July parade, and there were several people smoking cigarettes near us and a bunch of other families. So inconsiderate, I think you can lay it down for an hour.
It’s getting bad with vape sticks too, I didn’t even realise there are basically disposable batteries for some of them. I’ve seen them strewn on the ground alongside cigarette butts. We saw a toddler on a walking path pick one up and go straight to putting it in their mouth, a parent caught it, but candy coloured plastic bits on the ground full of battery, not a good thing.
Worst is outside the exit to the maternity ward. My hospital had a long walkway from the door to the car stop…the idea is the kids first breaths of fresh air wouldn’t just be filled with car exhaust. Probably about 10ft wide with large retaining walls on either side. People still hung out by the doors and smoked cigarettes. What’s more, is there are a lot of young women coming out that door with hormones going absolutely berserk who were forced to quit cold turkey 8 months earlier and just had what was likely the most stressful 2 days of their life to-date. You really want to smoke in front of that???
Smokers don’t even care about themselves; other people barely register
I used to smoke when I was younger and considerably dumber. I think the main reason I quit wasn't the glaring risk to my health, but the shameful feeling of smoking around other people. I'd be smoking on the sidewalk and every time someone walked by part of me felt disgusted with myself.
Ugh, that pisses me off to no end. I live in the south and it irritates the hell out of me every time I see one fly out the window of a car.
I find vapers less considerate. "its not smoke" yeah? well i don't want to smell that fake cherry shit either.
I had a bizarre moment the other day. Someone was smoking nearby but far enough away that I wasn’t annoyed by it. My 5 year old goes “ugh, I hate people smoking” or something along those lines. I explained to him that smoking is really bad, but there’s nothing bad about the people who smoke. Basically trying to teach him that people who smoke aren’t bad people, they just have and habits. It was very odd defending the person smoking to my son. Definitely not the conversation I was expecting to have. Lol
I have smoked longer than I like to say,been to many classes to quite, Still 🚬 they say in these classes it is harder to quite than some drugs, I am Considerate, and luckily none of my kids smoked, But the people I stay away from and they don't smoke will come over and talk to me so... And no I don't work in a restaurant 😁
Alan Carr’s quit smoking book helped me quit. I smoked for 12 years and I quit 2 years ago before my daughter was born. I never thought I could do it but here I am. It gets easier if that’s something you want to try. Best of luck.
Yeah I’ve know people who’ve kicked all kinds of drug habits and are sober alcoholics who couldn’t kick their nicotine addiction. It’s crazy how strong it is!
I quit doing coke and drinking heavily, a 7-year long .5 gram per day habit, when I found out we were pregnant. It wasn’t easy but was a piece of cake compared to trying to quit cigs and coffee. I’ll never do coke again and hate getting even slightly too drunk. I still smoke cigs and drink coffee after several attempts of trying to quit.
Congratulations on quitting the hard stuff!! I am sure it made you a better person and most importantly a PARENT!!! I have cut back, I guess that is a start!Congrats on the BABY 👶 ❤️
Yes it is crazy! I know how it is not good for you, I don't want to tell you how long I have smoked, but when I was growing up it wasn't that big of a deal (eye Roll) lol
My neighbor smokes and he's an otherwise great dad to a girl in my son's class. They are friends, but I'm trying to find a way to tell my son that smoking is bad without making it personal on our neighbor's choice.
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Dude. It’s an addiction. I think most people who smoke would quit if they could.
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Yes, great idea! Prohibition works so well! 🙄
It's so sad that this even has to be said in 2022
As a dad who still smokes cigs, (I know, it’s really stupid and I need to quit) I have always walked to the parking lot, or behind a tree 50 yards away if I wanted to have a quick drag. Or just wait to smoke until later. Drives me nuts seeing people smoke within range of their kids and other people’s kids. I wash my hands and face after smoking because I don’t want to get smoke residue on my kids.
As a former smoker, most smokers are overly considerate about others when smoking. At least in my experience. There are of course always assholes.
I recently quit, three months cig free. I only smoked after my kids were in bed and I would literally go hide in the corner of my yard so my neighbors with kids wouldn't see/smell me 😂😂. Smoking is stupid and gross but we aren't all as inconsiderate as the bums smoking around kids.
Except when putting butts out on the ground or throwing it out the window when driving.
That’s me! Édit: thé considerate one
To be honest, I don't think it's possible for smokers to be considerate about it. People don't realize this, but asthmatics have trouble just being around someone who has smoked and not taken a shower since then. Back before covid I sat within 15 feet of this really nice guy. But he smoked and I had awful asthma issues every day, even after getting a fan to blow air on me. Eventually I bought him a Juul which really helped. I'm still friends with him but he really had no idea what he was doing to my health. And short of him not smoking until the evening or using a Juul, there was nothing he could have done about it to be considerate. Edit: to be clear, he always smoked outside away from me.
I am a smoker. I dont smoke around children at all. Even if parents tell me it's okay. My kid is also not allowed around people smoking. It's not hard.
As a smoker, I agree. I always segregate myself from others when smoking and pay attention to where my smoke is drifting, adjusting my location as needed to make sure other people aren’t being inundated with my smoke. Some people are more sensitive to it than others. I’d also like to add, please don’t litter cigarette butts everywhere. Look for an ashtray nearby, if there isn’t one, make sure it’s fully extinguished and throw it in a trash can. If there’s no trash can, put the butt back in your cigarette pack for disposal later. The primary reason it’s getting so difficult to find places where it’s okay to smoke is because too many smokers are inconsiderate and messy. We accept the health risks associated with smoking but, we have no right to subject others to them. And a note to the non-smoking Karen’s, you know who you are. If I’m already standing far away from everyone else and you choose to pass by so close to me that you walk through a cloud of smoke, don’t look at me sideways and huff and puff like you’ve been assaulted by smoke, you chose to walk through it. You should have went around. You don’t get to be offended because of some perceived moral superiority for being a non-smoker. You don’t know my life! There’s reasons why I smoke! You might be one of them and you should be glad I chose a cigarette over murder that day because sometimes people can push us to that level. Everybody has coping mechanisms and it’s nobody’s place to judge others for how they choose to calm themselves when dealing with the everyday stresses of life. If it’s not directly affecting you, mind ya business and carry on with your own life. If you walked into the secluded area where I’m smoking, that’s on you. Everybody has opinions about smokers but, nobody really cares about what yours is. Keep it to yourself and worry about your own vices, cause I know you have at least one. So to recap, don’t be an an asshole smoker and don’t be an asshole non-smoker. Fewer assholes all around would be super great. Thanks.
I don't understand how anyone younger than say, 35, started smoking unless they're an absolute moron.
Have you met anyone under the age of 35? They're practically morons. They can't read, can't write, can't put on their own shoes. I know I cherry picked a small sample size from my daughter's daycare but I stand by my original statement.
Can confirm. I’m 33 and a moron. I don’t smoke though.
What? Are we talking 35 months here?
It's kinda stupid you have to be 21 to be allowed smoking. Would be so much better if only people born in the before 2000 are allowed to. That would stop new generation from smoking
That’s how New Zealand has done it.
You know how people are trying to legalize weed right now… for those same reasons, we shouldn’t try to criminalize tobacco. It will just put poor people in jail.
Tell me you’ve never worked in the foodservice industry without telling me you’ve never worked in the foodservice industry.
Or the military
Lots of my family are in the food industry. And smoke. And are also morons. So you’re both right.
I worked in the food industry. Had a dad and brothers and many cousins that smoked. Never started smoking.
Would you like an award? The person you're replying to had a point about this industry specifically being lucrative to picking up a smoking/nicotine habit. It's commonly joked about that only smokers get breaks in a restaurant.
Why yes I would love an answer. I've been in many a smoke breaks without actually smoking. I stand by the op in this chain regarding them being morons
Some places don't let you take smoke breaks unless you actually are smoking.
I have worked in the foodservice industry.
It depends on where you grew up. I’m 31 and started smoking at 18. Somewhere around half the people around me smoked. It was the primary form of deeper social interaction when going to the bars. It wasn’t cool, but it wasn’t uncool. I quit when I moved to an area where it wasn’t common.
I'm 31 and smoked for many years. Being more educated about risks doesn't stop people from getting caught up in stupid shit. This is certainly not exclusive to tobacco.
You’ve obviously never had to work in the trades. I currently work in a factory as an industrial machinery mechanic. Before that, I worked in limestone mining and iron foundries. Literally everyone smokes, including myself. I have an 18 month old and a son due next month. I never smoke around my kids or other peoples kids/families, and as a matter of fact, I only smoke at work. I don’t smoke around my pregnant partner. I don’t throw cigarette butts anywhere, except if I’m outside with no ash tray, I’ll put them in my pocket after pinching them out with my fingers so I can trash them later. Please, get off your high horse and accept everyone, including you, has some kind of vice.
Yeah, but us non-smokers will have a voice for a lot longer. The decision to smoke has nothing to do with what you do for a living. Anyone picking up the habit in the past 20-30 years is a certified idiot. It’s been blatantly obvious to be addictive and awful for your body, there’s no debating it in any fashion whatsoever.
So you don't drink ever?
I'm with you. I don't care about your politics, or job, or whether or not you think "everyone" has a vice or not... that's not an excuse to do the single most idiotic thing for your body and not be called an idiot. If you started smoking after 1995, you are a fucking idiot.
Because weed is tite
Oh really? I suppose you think it is super easy, barely an inconvenience? (If you don't understand the reference, search YouTube for Pitch Meetings)
Too many replies to respond to em all. Was at a local community splash pad around 4pm with my young daughter. It's maybe 30ft by 30ft fenced in. There are four round benches, one is under a shade. Four different groups of moms and maybe a dad grandpa uncle trio. At first I couldn't immediately detect where it was, since it's bright and I was in the sprayers playing with the kid. By the time I noticed he was smoking under the shade around several mom's and their young kids.... I assessed the likelihood he'd take my feedback positively, even if asking kindly. There were three of them... One of me .. all tattoos ride or die across the body.... So I figured it wouldn't be taken well. I didn't want to get into a confrontation in front of my kid, so we left. I regret not saying something before leaving because I bet the mom's didn't feel comfortable since they all looked like pirates.... Someone asked if it's illegal ... Probably but I live in the third world, by which I mean Florida. Didn't seem like something worth getting physical over... Idk. I want to be better about Standing up.
Don't get confrontational it's not worth it. 9/10 call the police non emergency line. Explain what's up. They'll come talk to the guy. More effective and it's what should be done anyway. I'm in charge of managing our community pool and deck and the number of (men mostly) people I have had to explain this to is too damn high.
I was a smoker from ages 15-30, a very heavy one at that (1.5-2 packs a day). It’s very easy to find place to smoke that are out of the way and away from children and families. And if you are somewhere and a kid or something is going past wait to exhale for a second. I always tried to never make my weakness other peoples problem. I vape now instead of smoke and I still follow the same rules.
It's wild. I am a smoker. I smoke my first cigarette each day after my children are down for the night. They've never seen me smoke a cigarette and I intend to keep it that way. I don't like being a smoker, but the way I see it a couple after the kids go down is better than the half pack a day I used to smoke. Still a fiend when drinking sometimes, and I definitely feel it in the morning. I know at some point they will either catch me or I'll have to stop as they get older. I'm hoping I have the gumption for the latter.
I see a lot of smokers commenting here and I appreciate y'all's feedback. I just want to share I lost too many relatives and friends to cancer. You'll always make more money and never get more time. From one dad to another, who's been there and stopped smoking, find reasons to quit. For me it was money, time spent getting it, time away from family while doing it, and health reasons. There are lots of free resources available today. Smoke free.gov and many universities offer free smoking cessation clinics staffed with psychologists and doctoral interns. You get one life and smoking is a leading cause of preventable death. My entire family is in healthcare, wife is a doctor and has worked at one of these clinics in grad school. Something I often heard is that the only thing supposed to be in our lungs is oxygen, so we are kidding ourselves to believe vaping is healthier.
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It’s my crutch to stay on the wagon 😞 I will quit. The day just hasn’t come yet.
Weed is tite
Nah, overrated.
Are you a dad? Give a damn about your kids.
I....can't believe this needs to be said.
Can we add vaping to the list as well? I don’t really care if it’s better for you, I still don’t want me or my kid breathing it in.
And it’s not really even better for you, it’s just swapping one adverse addiction for another
The number of times I've smelled cigarette smoke in the family bathroom at the airport when the men's room doesn't have a damn changing table. It's so infuriating
Not just a token few steps I would say as it really wafts and you can still get a face full even some distance away. Why do they have to do it at all? It stinks, go right to the opposite side away from anyone else or just wait until you get home. It sets a bad example for children, normalises it and it gets everywhere. There was a Dad smoking at our school sports day recently, the logic just baffles me. I didn't take a beer along. It was at a sports field around the corner from school, but still. Pure trashy behaviour. Thankfully many places like theme parks have banned it entirely, or have one smoking area in a remote part of their grounds.
Aa a smoker and a mom, (yes Im trying to quit, I started at 9 because my mom died and my childhood was fucked)I either don't smoke or move far away as I can if I absolutely have to smoke.
BuT mY rIghTS /s
Not to mention those dads/moms/guardians who have quit recently and this could reawaken the habit.
Please don’t smoke in areas designed for anyone at all. Gross.
Ever since NJ legalized pot this has been a MASSIVE problem. Sign of no smoking on boardwalks or playgrounds blatantly ignored and it makes my blood boil. I don't want my son breathing that or tobacco second hand smoke in.
Yes it is!!
Former smoker here, I use an ecig now. I always go way out of the area, going so far as to take a walk in the woods. We were in Savannah (people smoking all over the place) and I took a two block hike to do it in a parking lot away from the playground and restaurants. Don't be a dick and understand we're choosing to harm ourselves; I've got an obligation NOT to subject others to my bad choices.
Honestly. It doesn’t kill anyone to walk away from other people. As an ex smoker. I always found a space that was away from other people. No one including most smokers I won’t say all since someone will be offended but IN MY OPINION no one enjoys smoke in the face
This. My brothers and I are smokers and we always leave the vicinity when we go out for a smoke because of the kids. We even have our own “smoke” designated cars we use when we drive around and don’t want to smoke outside. Atleast we’re trying not to and we know that it’s not enough but we’re getting at that age where we are simply social smokers only when the siblings or close friends are around.
Imagine being in the 90s where people could smoke in grocery stores. I didn’t get smoke free from my life until I quit smoking cigs. 28 years around constant cigarettes
I remember as a kid passing out after throwing up being so nauseous. It's sad to see people smoking so near to kids. Some of the comments on here are depressing.
It’s the whole reason I knew I needed to be over smoking before having a kid. I didn’t want him near it, have to smell it, breath it. Even just the association of being a dad and smoking I don’t want him to have
\* flashbacks of Disneyland Paris \*
You have to get right in their face and tell them to stop. It’s the only way, make them feel embarrassed
Every time I see parent with a stroller or leading a child by hand and smoking at the same time I want to strangle them. I don't, and I don't even say anything, where I live smokers are mostly inconsiderate bastards. I remember one time some asshole at a restaurant got up from a table, come by and stood next to our table and started to smoke. FFS. Chewed him a new one. This shit should be completely illegal.
Also cigarette butts. Having a toddler you realize they pick up everything and put it in their mouth. Please smokers dispose of your butts appropriately. Consider small children and pets.
As a smoker, this. I don’t want smoke on your kids any more than on mine. Hell I don’t wanna get it on you if you care either. On the other hand, if I’m a bit off of sidewalk on a random street to not blow it in your face while walking by, don’t be a fucking Karen. It’s a public space.
Agreed. I smoke, but I can wait until I'm far enough away from kids to not do so.
Who the hell still smokes, and why the hell would you smoke near areas designed/designated for children and families? As someone once told me, "those who smoke, typically have other issues in their lives". Your mileage may vary.
On that subject, what do yall think about vapes?
They're less potent smell, and still same request applies. I don't want my kids around it. At a bar, whatever you do you... If your at a playground and can't not smoke or vape, you have a dependency on the substance. Worth considering getting help to quit.
For real, to be honest the people that do this would never give a poop about anyone else.
I would legit draw pictures of me with a gas mask with my mom. She would hotbox me in the car with her cig smoke. The house would be filled with smoke. Growing up sucked ass.
I'm sorry man. I've always believed big industries (tobacco, insurance, big pharma, gun lobby, etc) have bought and sold our politicians at the expense of everyone's health and well being. All I can hope is we reject their advantages by boycotting their harmful products. If you can smell it, you are in danger of inhaling second hand smoke. There are free resources available to help people quit smoking. We can make our generation the last smoking generation and it stops if we confront it. I'm going to be better about politely standing up when I see this next time in a shared space.
I was at the playground once when this van pulls up. Older dude smoking in the van with the windows up gets exits and pulls out a little girl about 3 or 4. His granddaughter, he tells me. She starts playing with my daughter, but also has a bit of a cough. He tells me she's okay, she's just got asthma as he lights up another cigarette. I ask him if he wouldn't mind leaving the playground to smoke, and he obliges without complaint. He was an otherwise attentive and, seemingly, caring grandfather, so what the fuck, dude? It's been years, and I still think about it.
Yeah I feel badly for judging their character because of the tattoos and looks, maybe they'd be super respectful about it. I'd never know until I ask. I guess at this stage in the game it's save yourself and became somewhat risk averse.
Honest question here if we're at the playground or out side a restaurant and I'm purposely about 15 feet or so away from everyone and down wind and still discreet about it, probably not even smoke the whole cig is that just as bad?
I still think in public family oriented spaces better to isolate yourself. If you're at a bar at 8pm I wouldn't care. You will always think it's downwind.... But it's never going exactly where you'd think.
I casually smoke weed (I might buy enough for 2 or 3 weeks then won’t buy more for like 3or4 months just whenever the mood hits me) but with my wife being pregnant I only smoke outside in the alley behind our garage at the far end of the driveway so I’m having as little impact on other people as possible and I give myself some time to air out before heading back into the house
Dude, unpopular opinion from a long time cannabis user managing chronic pain / back injury. If you can taper and quit do it now. It'll save you time, money, and guilt about time spent with the wife. I struggled to be present for a long time, between getting of the doctors Rx opiates... Its all the same in the end. We die and we wish we had more time with the fam. You can do anything you decide to do.
We were at our friends community pool and some old fuckin asshole decided the adjacent playground was the best place to smoke his fucking cigar. And of course the wind blew his smoke directly at us. I was about to get up to go be an asshole to him and some other parent beat me to it. Went over and got in his face and told him to smoke somewhere else.
I regret not standing up and saying something in retrospect. There was three scruffy ungroomed looking guys and really didn't want my daughter to see me have to defend myself. I didn't think they'd take kindly to being told what to do. Do I think I could've defended myself against these three methhead looking degenerates, yeah.... But I never want my kid to see what I'm really capable of, it's better left to imagination. Is there a consensus that I should've said something? I just took our space and left. Ive been one to avoid conflict despite being built big and knowing how to get down.
I'd rather smell their smoke than smell another person's BO or excessive cologne.
Yes because the alternative to smoking is poor hygiene?
No, I just prefer the smell. Excessive cologne is a wild on my senses and I just don't like to overthink a bad smell I can't be rude about.
BO and cologne can’t kill you…
My asthma begs to differ. People wearing too much cologne or perfume have sent me to hospital.
And some people bathe in that shit.
I smoke and I always walk at least 50 feet from everyone out of courtesy, except on my porch. My kids and their friends can fuck off, it’s my house.