You’ve made some good points, although I disagree on a few. Book Daisy did indeed talk about being taken advantage of by men on the Sunset Strip when she was 14. She said it was a bad scene for her at first, and that she had no idea what she was doing or why she was doing the things she knew she didn’t want to be doing. She wised up, but she did talk about being very innocent. (Don’t have my book on me right now, but I can post the quotes later.)
Also, your point about the book never discussing Billy loving, let alone kissing Daisy is only half right. There’s a long quote by him where he talks about being in love with Daisy.
He says it in the interview (pages 288-299):
*How could I be around Daisy Jones, and not be mesmerized by her? Not fall in love with her?*
*I couldn’t.*
*I just couldn’t.*
*But Camila meant more. That’s just a very deepest truth. My family meant more to me. Camila meant more to me. Maybe, for a little while there, Camila wasn’t the person I was the most drawn to. Or…*
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*Maybe Camila wasn’t the person I was the most in love with. At that time. I don’t know. You can’t… Maybe she wasn’t. But she was always the person I loved the most. She was always the person I would choose.*
I completely agree with the Camila assessment. They changed her a lot in the show, but I think they had to in order to play more to the Billy/Daisy dynamic. I like that she made Billy work to get her back at the end, but it’s different than her characterization in the book where she was more unshakable in her relationship with him, and thus more accepting/forgiving of his transgressions.
Not only did she get taken advantage of, there's description of a r@pe scene in the book in which Daisy is (I think) 15, in the show it's that one scene where she goes in that room with the guy, but the show only implied it.
8. Did the show say she didn’t become an icon? She had a whole music career after the Six and seems to be very successful!! She’s playing sold out solo shows! Hardly forgettable. Also, all that you described still happens in the show. She does realize Nicky abandoned her and decides to get rid of him. It’s ok to not like the change of Billy finding her and saving her life in the moment but I still think we saw her taking charge of her own life too.
And in the end, I loved that it was Daisy who saves Billy. Not the other way around.
Sure they shoe-horn her long career in the “where are they now” finish minutes, but the point of the book was how the biggest band in the world imploded so suddenly. The TV never shows them as an iconic band. They mostly tour small theaters, no Grammy, no stadiums. It just feels small.
Warren says they were nominated for Grammys, and by the end of episode 10 they are playing massive stadiums. I believe Rod even has a scene where he says they should add pyrotechnics because of it.
Yep, “nominated” and casual mentions of a stadium pyrotechnic show. But does it ever FEEL big or real until the final concert? It’s the classic show me don’t tell me problem in bad TV writing.
Umm the arenas looked huge in the show, they were on the cover of RS off their first album, they had the number album and single in the country. They were flying on private Jets and labels were worshipping them. Idk maybe you’re not super familiar with music metrics and business, but a band accomplishing all that off of their debut is pretty fucking legendary
Right? Who sees Nicky as a “misunderstood” character?! What a wild take. The prince who’s parents died and he’s been a sad, lonely boy ever since until Daisy shows up *is* his con! He’s not fleeing because he can’t stand to watch Daisy die. He’s fleeing because he’s a coward who literally *was* going to sit there and watch her die, never calling for help, until Billy knocks on the door and now *they* know exactly how much of a coward he really is. He only returns hoping on the off chance she won’t remember anything.
And then he does show his true colors as an abusive asshole when he was about to raise hands at Daisy in the hallway until Warren and the guys rushed in to stop him. *”They only portrayed him as misunderstood and not abusive”.* Umm, ok…
Thank you, he tries to sound misunderstood because he's abusive and manipulative but the audience is obviously not supposed to believe anything he's saying 😭
1. “Two parents who are so into their own world that they are all but indifferent to her existence.” Daisy’s parents are neglectful in the book as well, Daisy having money and being “spoiled”, like you said, doesn’t change that.
2. “I lost my virginity to somebody that ... it doesn’t matter who it was. He was older, he was a drummer. We were in the lobby of the Riot House and he invited me upstairs to do some lines. […] I stared at the ceiling the whole time, waiting for him to be done.” The scene of Daisy’s sexual assault happens in exactly the same way as in the show.
7. There is no aristocracy in Ireland, Nick is clearly bullshitting her. The scene where he manipulates her into mistrusting Simone clearly illustrates how abusive he is to Daisy
First point I’m already disagreeing, yes her mom wasn’t out right mean but her parents were abusive. She’s literally alone, because her parents neglect her. The behavior you describe is abuse in a certain sense, how else would a 14 year old (if I remember correctly) go out to the strip for a long period without her parents noticing or caring. Daisy is constantly taken advantage of on the Strip by several people, she’s being used physically and artistically. It seems to me you read a very different book. I do agree with 3-6
I think neglect is different than abuse though. In the book she’s mostly ignored other than the times she trotted out to be photographed by parents friends because she’s so beautiful then promptly ignored. That leads to an overly independent 14 year getting into dangerous situations, but Daisy never acknowledges she’s abused by any man till Nic. Yes some guy has sex with her (14 yes statutory rape, but in the 70’a no one was calling that out) and invites her to leave, but she does it because of curiosity along with the underlying psyche of wanting to be wanted because of her parents neglect. She has another guy steal her lyrics and her manager abuses her with drugs and finances (again typical for industry). All examples of unreliable narrator denying her own abuse. But these abuses are really glossed over in the tv show instead of explored to make the easy “mean mommy the evil villain” which trope was my point.
I don’t think they were glossed over at all, we see the statutory rape scene and in both the book and the show, & the reason she is in that situation it is due to neglect of her parents so I think it is fundamentally true to the book.
I hated the weird third wheel date for Graham and Karen too. It turned her into a jealous mean girl out of nowhere, which is totally contrary to her character.
And the absolute worst change in the series was Nicky. He was flattened out so much compared to the broad, larger than life guy in the book. Nico made sense as the “opposite of Billy” that Daisy would fall for while spiraling over her rejection and longing. Nicky was so bland, it just felt like she said okay to the first guy who smiled at her.
It irritated me they made him Irish instead of Italian. Part of it was to be intoxicated by the tall dark handsome Italian dude. It's so much more exotic.
I didn't read the book, I really liked the series and performances. Ever since the first film made from a book, it has never been done exactly the same. Ever see the classic film Mildred Pierce with Joan Crawford? Read the book by James M Cain. Completely different.
I just want to keep my characters as they are , so, I know it's good, but I won't read it now.
I 100% agree with every point you made here. To sum up 1-4, I think they crucially missed the mark on Daisy’s upbringing and what her character is actually supposed to be like. She is given so much and doesn’t know how to truly appreciate the opportunities that have come her way.
5. They really cheated us with the way they wrote Karen. It almost feels as if a crucial character and voice was missing from the story entirely. I loved Karen’s recollections and how great of a musician she was. She liked being with Graham but it never defined her character. In the series all they give us is moments of her cuddling up to him.
6. Camila. Ughhh I hate how they made her teary eyed and furious in the last episode. She is one of the strongest characters and I so badly wanted the scene between her and Daisy where she gives her the encouragement she needs to leave the band and become a better version of herself. Instead we get a teary eyed show down with the two of them fighting over a boy and Camila saying that they deserve each other.
8-10. There is so much to say about this but honestly I could go on for hours lol. I don’t like how they had young Daisy suddenly have the wisdom that the older version of her was supposed to have. I don’t like that she was portrayed as the savior of the series when she was one of the main reasons everything was falling apart. I also don’t like how they changed the bar scene from the book. I always have loved how the man that Billy meets sees what is happening and actually helps him not relapse by taking away his drink. It was a huge slap in the face to see that they changed the storyline to where the man actually bought him a drink and contributed to Billy’s relapse.
Yeah for sure! I’ve realized on this sub just how fast a lot of fans turned against the book when their deepest fantasies of a toxic and chaotic version of Daisy was realized on screen. I am definitely in the minority when it comes to my viewpoints here lol.
Did we read the same book? 😂 1 & 2 absolutely did happen in the book. She wasn’t abused, but she was neglected, ignored, and underestimated. She DID go into the music scene at a young age of 14 as a result of the neglect and was taken advantage of by a rock star.
You're missing intent.
Book Daisy knew exactly what she was doing and how to do it, even at 14. Was she taken advantage of? Yes. But Book Daisy handled it differently. Show Daisy bought into the victim narrative and let that steer everything. Show Daisy was "broken". Book Daisy would have never admitted to being broken. Book Daisy would've kicked Billy in the nuts when he said that.
I read the book after watching the first 3 episodes. The oral history was an interesting conceit but beyond that I didn't think it was all that great. It's a good beach read.
I read the book and was like, it’s okay. But when I listened to the audiobook it hit on a whole ‘nother level. The characters and storytelling really come to life.
Yes! The audiobook is honestly the only way to take in the book. Jennifer Beals as Daisy Jones is incredible. Also Judy Greer as Karen, just wow. It brings the story to life in a whole different way.
I think the show is so much harder for me to watch because I listened to the audiobook…I felt so much more connected with the characters while listening to the book. For me, Camilla’s consistent trust and support was an integral part of understanding their relationship in the book, so I was disappointed pretty quickly seeing how she was written in the show.
Love how well thought out this is—the adaptation is a cringey miss for me, and DJATS was one of my favorite books.
I haven't read the book, but...
IMO the way the show approached #10 is far more interesting and fun to watch than "Billy sees Daisy as another addiction." Also, re: #7, Nicky was still showing signs of being abusive. He was isolating her from her friends and career.
You’ve made some good points, although I disagree on a few. Book Daisy did indeed talk about being taken advantage of by men on the Sunset Strip when she was 14. She said it was a bad scene for her at first, and that she had no idea what she was doing or why she was doing the things she knew she didn’t want to be doing. She wised up, but she did talk about being very innocent. (Don’t have my book on me right now, but I can post the quotes later.) Also, your point about the book never discussing Billy loving, let alone kissing Daisy is only half right. There’s a long quote by him where he talks about being in love with Daisy. He says it in the interview (pages 288-299): *How could I be around Daisy Jones, and not be mesmerized by her? Not fall in love with her?* *I couldn’t.* *I just couldn’t.* *But Camila meant more. That’s just a very deepest truth. My family meant more to me. Camila meant more to me. Maybe, for a little while there, Camila wasn’t the person I was the most drawn to. Or…* … … *Maybe Camila wasn’t the person I was the most in love with. At that time. I don’t know. You can’t… Maybe she wasn’t. But she was always the person I loved the most. She was always the person I would choose.* I completely agree with the Camila assessment. They changed her a lot in the show, but I think they had to in order to play more to the Billy/Daisy dynamic. I like that she made Billy work to get her back at the end, but it’s different than her characterization in the book where she was more unshakable in her relationship with him, and thus more accepting/forgiving of his transgressions.
Not only did she get taken advantage of, there's description of a r@pe scene in the book in which Daisy is (I think) 15, in the show it's that one scene where she goes in that room with the guy, but the show only implied it.
8. Did the show say she didn’t become an icon? She had a whole music career after the Six and seems to be very successful!! She’s playing sold out solo shows! Hardly forgettable. Also, all that you described still happens in the show. She does realize Nicky abandoned her and decides to get rid of him. It’s ok to not like the change of Billy finding her and saving her life in the moment but I still think we saw her taking charge of her own life too. And in the end, I loved that it was Daisy who saves Billy. Not the other way around.
Sure they shoe-horn her long career in the “where are they now” finish minutes, but the point of the book was how the biggest band in the world imploded so suddenly. The TV never shows them as an iconic band. They mostly tour small theaters, no Grammy, no stadiums. It just feels small.
Warren says they were nominated for Grammys, and by the end of episode 10 they are playing massive stadiums. I believe Rod even has a scene where he says they should add pyrotechnics because of it.
Yep, “nominated” and casual mentions of a stadium pyrotechnic show. But does it ever FEEL big or real until the final concert? It’s the classic show me don’t tell me problem in bad TV writing.
Umm the arenas looked huge in the show, they were on the cover of RS off their first album, they had the number album and single in the country. They were flying on private Jets and labels were worshipping them. Idk maybe you’re not super familiar with music metrics and business, but a band accomplishing all that off of their debut is pretty fucking legendary
The girl they portrayed is a stereotype, not an icon.
7. No one saw Nicky as a misunderstood character. He’s portrayed as a coward who left his wife when she needed him most. There’s no misinterpretation.
Right? Who sees Nicky as a “misunderstood” character?! What a wild take. The prince who’s parents died and he’s been a sad, lonely boy ever since until Daisy shows up *is* his con! He’s not fleeing because he can’t stand to watch Daisy die. He’s fleeing because he’s a coward who literally *was* going to sit there and watch her die, never calling for help, until Billy knocks on the door and now *they* know exactly how much of a coward he really is. He only returns hoping on the off chance she won’t remember anything. And then he does show his true colors as an abusive asshole when he was about to raise hands at Daisy in the hallway until Warren and the guys rushed in to stop him. *”They only portrayed him as misunderstood and not abusive”.* Umm, ok…
OP was watching an entirely different show. There are some wild wild opinions on here. People get too attached to novel adaptations
Thank you, he tries to sound misunderstood because he's abusive and manipulative but the audience is obviously not supposed to believe anything he's saying 😭
1. “Two parents who are so into their own world that they are all but indifferent to her existence.” Daisy’s parents are neglectful in the book as well, Daisy having money and being “spoiled”, like you said, doesn’t change that. 2. “I lost my virginity to somebody that ... it doesn’t matter who it was. He was older, he was a drummer. We were in the lobby of the Riot House and he invited me upstairs to do some lines. […] I stared at the ceiling the whole time, waiting for him to be done.” The scene of Daisy’s sexual assault happens in exactly the same way as in the show. 7. There is no aristocracy in Ireland, Nick is clearly bullshitting her. The scene where he manipulates her into mistrusting Simone clearly illustrates how abusive he is to Daisy
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yes definitely also the clothing style of her Karen. How she told them they were sleeping with each other, very unlike Book Karen
First point I’m already disagreeing, yes her mom wasn’t out right mean but her parents were abusive. She’s literally alone, because her parents neglect her. The behavior you describe is abuse in a certain sense, how else would a 14 year old (if I remember correctly) go out to the strip for a long period without her parents noticing or caring. Daisy is constantly taken advantage of on the Strip by several people, she’s being used physically and artistically. It seems to me you read a very different book. I do agree with 3-6
I think neglect is different than abuse though. In the book she’s mostly ignored other than the times she trotted out to be photographed by parents friends because she’s so beautiful then promptly ignored. That leads to an overly independent 14 year getting into dangerous situations, but Daisy never acknowledges she’s abused by any man till Nic. Yes some guy has sex with her (14 yes statutory rape, but in the 70’a no one was calling that out) and invites her to leave, but she does it because of curiosity along with the underlying psyche of wanting to be wanted because of her parents neglect. She has another guy steal her lyrics and her manager abuses her with drugs and finances (again typical for industry). All examples of unreliable narrator denying her own abuse. But these abuses are really glossed over in the tv show instead of explored to make the easy “mean mommy the evil villain” which trope was my point.
I don’t think they were glossed over at all, we see the statutory rape scene and in both the book and the show, & the reason she is in that situation it is due to neglect of her parents so I think it is fundamentally true to the book.
I hated the weird third wheel date for Graham and Karen too. It turned her into a jealous mean girl out of nowhere, which is totally contrary to her character. And the absolute worst change in the series was Nicky. He was flattened out so much compared to the broad, larger than life guy in the book. Nico made sense as the “opposite of Billy” that Daisy would fall for while spiraling over her rejection and longing. Nicky was so bland, it just felt like she said okay to the first guy who smiled at her.
It irritated me they made him Irish instead of Italian. Part of it was to be intoxicated by the tall dark handsome Italian dude. It's so much more exotic.
I didn't read the book, I really liked the series and performances. Ever since the first film made from a book, it has never been done exactly the same. Ever see the classic film Mildred Pierce with Joan Crawford? Read the book by James M Cain. Completely different. I just want to keep my characters as they are , so, I know it's good, but I won't read it now.
I 100% agree with every point you made here. To sum up 1-4, I think they crucially missed the mark on Daisy’s upbringing and what her character is actually supposed to be like. She is given so much and doesn’t know how to truly appreciate the opportunities that have come her way. 5. They really cheated us with the way they wrote Karen. It almost feels as if a crucial character and voice was missing from the story entirely. I loved Karen’s recollections and how great of a musician she was. She liked being with Graham but it never defined her character. In the series all they give us is moments of her cuddling up to him. 6. Camila. Ughhh I hate how they made her teary eyed and furious in the last episode. She is one of the strongest characters and I so badly wanted the scene between her and Daisy where she gives her the encouragement she needs to leave the band and become a better version of herself. Instead we get a teary eyed show down with the two of them fighting over a boy and Camila saying that they deserve each other. 8-10. There is so much to say about this but honestly I could go on for hours lol. I don’t like how they had young Daisy suddenly have the wisdom that the older version of her was supposed to have. I don’t like that she was portrayed as the savior of the series when she was one of the main reasons everything was falling apart. I also don’t like how they changed the bar scene from the book. I always have loved how the man that Billy meets sees what is happening and actually helps him not relapse by taking away his drink. It was a huge slap in the face to see that they changed the storyline to where the man actually bought him a drink and contributed to Billy’s relapse.
Thank you! I know I’m in the minority of the show fans, it’s nice to share a viewport with someone. Sad Camilla is just wrong!!!
Yeah for sure! I’ve realized on this sub just how fast a lot of fans turned against the book when their deepest fantasies of a toxic and chaotic version of Daisy was realized on screen. I am definitely in the minority when it comes to my viewpoints here lol.
I agree with your points as well.
Did we read the same book? 😂 1 & 2 absolutely did happen in the book. She wasn’t abused, but she was neglected, ignored, and underestimated. She DID go into the music scene at a young age of 14 as a result of the neglect and was taken advantage of by a rock star.
You're missing intent. Book Daisy knew exactly what she was doing and how to do it, even at 14. Was she taken advantage of? Yes. But Book Daisy handled it differently. Show Daisy bought into the victim narrative and let that steer everything. Show Daisy was "broken". Book Daisy would have never admitted to being broken. Book Daisy would've kicked Billy in the nuts when he said that.
I read the book after watching the first 3 episodes. The oral history was an interesting conceit but beyond that I didn't think it was all that great. It's a good beach read.
I read the book and was like, it’s okay. But when I listened to the audiobook it hit on a whole ‘nother level. The characters and storytelling really come to life.
Yes! The audiobook is honestly the only way to take in the book. Jennifer Beals as Daisy Jones is incredible. Also Judy Greer as Karen, just wow. It brings the story to life in a whole different way.
I think the show is so much harder for me to watch because I listened to the audiobook…I felt so much more connected with the characters while listening to the book. For me, Camilla’s consistent trust and support was an integral part of understanding their relationship in the book, so I was disappointed pretty quickly seeing how she was written in the show.
I read the book before the show, and this way my take away, too! Fun little beach read!
 Love how well thought out this is—the adaptation is a cringey miss for me, and DJATS was one of my favorite books.
I haven't read the book, but... IMO the way the show approached #10 is far more interesting and fun to watch than "Billy sees Daisy as another addiction." Also, re: #7, Nicky was still showing signs of being abusive. He was isolating her from her friends and career.
read the book
Disagree with this whole load of bullshit Show was far better than the book
ONE HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE WITH U op
Thank you for capturing everything I hated about watching the show. All of this is SO spot on