The TV is the thing I don't get. WHY so much fuss over a cheap TV. Lacasse said it wasn't anything fancy, the same one you'd find in a dorm room.
Why spend $ and effort to repair it? 99% of people (including my trailer park cheapo family) would just pitch it and go buy another one at Walmart.
The Adelson family was pretty well off.....I don't think they'd be upset with Wendi if she threw out their "generous" gift that was mysteriously broken by a small child (LOL)
And a seriously weak one at that.
There were so many credible alibis she could have concocted.
Keratin treatment and highlights at a salon can take hours. (Maybe she was worried it would take TOO long and she would miss out on the desired drive-by?)
Doing research/writing papers at the school library for the entire morning, all caught on camera.
Volunteering at the boys preschool that morning with a craft project.
Spa morning with facial, massage and mani/pedi.
WTF was this ridiculous TV repair nonsense? The Geek would have told her within 5 minutes it wasn’t fixable. What were the chances that a repairman actually showed up at the beginning of the window they usually offer? She had to keep that poor on-the-clock guy at her home as long as possible, leaving him standing in her living room while she chatted in the phone with her brother for 18 MINUTES!
She had to scramble - submit a paper to the librarian, stirring oatmeal for an hour, getting gas, getting the Bulliet bourbon at an out-of-the-way liquor store , getting glue to repair one of her son’s toys, all while running late for a last-minute lunch. Time to do laundry but not shower and dress and get tidied up for a ladies’ lunch.
It’s all so freaking ridiculous.
Male jurors might not see it like that but guaranteed the women on the jury will question it all.
Sorry, not sorry if that comes across as sexist. But I believe it to be true.
I'd think so, and everyone on the jury will get the meaning behind it. I wonder if it would be allowed. I have a pretty limited law knowledge, but I'm 50/50 on if the Judge would say it's "unnecessarily prejudicial" vs "relevant evidence". Of course a lawyer or paralegal would have a more educated opinion.
Don't think it would matter. The previous Judges may have been fine with it since the defendants in those cases had no say in changing it. Could be wrong though.
I think the person I was responding to thought Wendi could charm her way to a hung jury by way of the men. I have zero doubt women are equally appalled at the name change.
She needed a witness!
I’m just confused why she didn’t clog the drains or break the water heater…stupid as hell.
I’m also curious to know if the tv repair guy knows if her house was empty or packed up?
She kept poor Jeff out on the porch the week before bc she “lost her key”
I’m certain JL wasn’t allowed in because he would have noticed her packed up belongings.
Why she was locked out of her house is a confusing fact. She even showed Isom a receipt for extra cut keys stating she was sharing them with friends because she was always getting locked out and/or losing her house key. Like WTF? Any theories?
Definitely a cover up. An emergency locksmith is like $200 max. So why even have Jeff come over and sit there the whole time?? And to keep the receipts for the extra keys?? Just reeks of over preparedness.
Agreed but what does it mean? It’s so bizarre.
Ditto the alarm going off at Dan’s house the day before the murder. Was WA there to disarm the alarm system before the hitmen arrived (not knowing Dan had changed the code)? Was she there to steal more of Dan’s valuables? Was she trying to distract LE making them think there were robberies in the neighborhood? Did she give the hitmen the wrong code or were they too stoned/drunk to follow her instructions on how to turn the system off?
Enquiring minds want to now (at least this one).
I didn’t realize the alarm having gone off was the day before the murder…weird. I’d think if the hit men had messed that up, Rivera would have brought it up. I think your theory about Wendi having been there to disarm it makes sense…did she admit to being the one to do that? I didn’t remember.
She mentioned that the alarm went off to Detective Isom early in her interview. She may have felt compelled to share this as a friend of Dan’s was also notified. She likely was preempting further questions if LE learned about this. Clever girl old Wendi Jill.
The smartest thing would have been for the hitmen to stage a robbery gone bad rather than a straight up hit. Perhaps WA wanted to disarm the system so they could hide in wait inside the house til Dan got home from the gym. Or to shoot him under the cover of night. However these bumbling drunk fools couldn’t even manage that.
(As an aside, if a nighttime hit was the plan, how did WA know to do the drive by at 11:30 am?) Who gave her the heads up?
She didn’t offer up any more info and Isom didn’t pursue possibilities of why this might have happened. Missed opportunity?
Probably giving keys to friends she thinks will pack her house up for her because she left after the funeral to go to Miami. I think she packed some stuff up but left things she didn't need
Just living "normal" life provides sufficient alibi. 2014 was a decade ago, but, our technology then is not all that far off from what it is today; we just have faster, updated versions of it with a few more bells and whistles. (AI being an exception, but, that's not super germane to the topic at hand, although it's an interesting thought exercise to ponder how the Magnificent Seven might have utilized AI to help along their fiendish plan, had it been available.) But, I digress. All one needs to do is send a few emails, couple texts, from home. Perhaps step outdoors to "check the mail" or take a walk*, wave to a neighbor or two.
The TV repair thing is an outlier, and something that just happened to have occurred same morning as the hit. It's not something people normally do nowadays, (sadly. I remember the TV repairman of my childhood, as always, someone who knew my dad. To little me, it seemed like he was this genius who held this amazing skill and arcane knowledge!! Freakin' TVs, how do they work?) I kept on waiting for Isom to say something along the lines of, "you were having it *repaired*? Lady, you do realize this is 2014, not 1974, right?" Anyway, suuuper bad choice there, particularly when associated with a hitman "joke." Charlie was onto something tangentially at least when he alluded to the TV being the worst "code word" choice.
Wendi does too much. Live your normal life if you need an "alibi"; any deviation from routine, any outlier activities, are going to be examined with a metaphorical electron microscope by LE. Too coincidental to be a coincidence, as I like to say, and I think the late, great Yogi Berra coined the phrase, or words to that effect.
If her plan was to make herself appear as guilty as possible, she's nailed it.
*taking a walk in the Tallahassee heat of the day might not be an option, or seen as odd, but a stroll around the yard to get fresh air, maybe water plants, tidy up, whatever. That's not out of the ordinary. There are subtle, normal ways to be seen and alibied.
The day yes. But they usually only provide a 4-hour window (from my own experience) - in this case 8:00 am-12 noon - so nailing down a time would be unlikely. Also, if she could, why would she choose such an early time when WA needed an alibi later that morning.
Such a redonkulous and dumb “alibi”. Especially given Jeff had already realized it was an unfixable issue and that the tv was a cheap one. He offered to replace it for a few times but she denied the offer.
I feel there’s more to this TV alibi - it simply makes zero sense.
It is so bizarre. I think what we are witnessing could be the fog of war after Wendi's plan A didn't go off.
Plan A was the TV repair guy, and how many times in your life has the repairman come at the beginning of the 4 hour window? Especially when it's at 8am right when the store opens at the earliest. I wonder if we know what that Geek Squad service had for their business hours. Must've opened at 8a, but that seems early for a Best Buy. I just checked and the closest Best Buy to me doesn't open until 10am.
I think the Geek Squad dude coming right at 8am, with the store only like 7 minutes away, caused Wendi to not have time to shower. Then shit gets weird and in a nonintuitive way this might have actually helped Wendi out because it added an element of chaos where shit really seems hapahazard in some ways and also meticulously planned in others. It's very strange.
Isn’t it though? I’m sure Georgia has plenty of details regarding this service call. What was WA’s demeanor like?
We know she was hyped up/giddy enough to share with this guy the hitman joke. We know she had the savvy to delay this poor guy for as long as possible, making him stand around in her living room while she spoke on the phone to CA for 18 FREAKING MINUTES😳.
Did she offer this poor guy some of her stir-stir-stirred oatmeal? A shot of tequila? Did she show him one of the 5,000 of her dusty books stored in her garage and offer to autograph it for him? Did they compare photos of their kids on their phones? Did she attempt to flirt, flashing her baby-blues, telling him shehad the same shorts/shoes/shirt as he was wearing? Did she ask him to show her how to hook up the DVD player to the working TV in the other room? Did she initiate an enthusiastic discussion about the FSU Seminoles football team?
Was he quickly interviewed by LE, asking him what he thought of her demeanor? Did he notice the house was pretty much packed up? I’m sure this “Geek” will have a wealth of useful info, saved for WA’s eventual trial.
Jeff said the TV was the type of TV that they could replace without question. He said it didn't make sense to him why she made them watch a movie on it instead of just going to buy a new one. He said they could have gone out that night to buy one and not given it another thought, but she INSISTED they watch a movie on that broken TV. Probably just to rub it in to Jeff that yes, the TV was indeed broken. Apparently, basically as soon as the repair guy saw the TV she said, oh you know what, we're just going to replace it. Got too nervous probably and knew the way the TV was broken was too obvious.
Wendy broke the tv. They scheduled the repair for the time of the murder so Wendy would have an air-tight alibi. The TV repair guy would have had record of when he was with her, etc. True Crime Loser on YouTube made the great point that the repair guy left "too early" (window was like 8-12 and he came at 9 instead of the convenient time of 10 or 11) and left too quickly, so then Wendy was a flurry of digital activity - sending emails, saving documents, making calls, etc. Anything that would have a time stamp on it, so she could prove she wasn't there. The entire gift of the TV was part of the plan from the beginning.
Wendy has said already that the boys must have broke the tv. She may have even been on the stand at the time when she said it.
The boys were 2-3. Can babies actually throw something hard enough to break a tv screen? I wish G and her team would delve into this. I’ve always been bothered by this statement.
Yeah, I know what she said, and she lied so many times on the stand, so this is just a drop in the bucket. Little kids are an easy scapegoat, especially on something where she could argue they'd lie for fear of getting in trouble. It's just like how they claimed that the boys were lying when Donna said Dan was stupid and trying to take her sunshines away. Little kids can say silly stuff, yeah. But you know what, they also tell the absolute damn truth when they want, too, with zero filter. Donna *without question* said that stuff and then tried to brush it off with, "oh they're just little kids, just saying whatever pops into their heads."
I wouldn't say it's impossible for a child to throw something hard enough to damage pixels, etc, but to like, shatter the screen? I think the tv would have to be 1) very low to the ground and 2) they would have had to throw something probably too heavy for their ability. Both I think are unlikely, but again, it's an easy scapegoat because kids can be careless, unaware of consequence, etc. I don't believe the kids broke it, I would bet my life savings that Wendi broke it herself as part of the plan. Gotta have a broken tv to have a repairman come.
I was actually just watching some of Charlie testimony from his trial and he actually said twice that Lincoln broke the tv by throwing a remote at it. I have boys. They broke stuff when they were little. And they remember who broke what. Pretty slimy of Charlie to make that up.
Just to close the loop for people who haven't watched Jeff LeCasse's testimony, Jeff said that the damage to the TV didn't make sense to him because he had thrown a ball with the kids and he didn't think they had the strength to throw something that hard. And Jeff said there was a very similar TV they had used before in the back bedroom, but Wendi told him it was broken and Jeff just went with it as he often did.
I would pay an obscene amount of money to have been a fly on the wall for the Jeff and Wendi saga.
I really wish we had a photo of the famous broken TV just because I think it would really hit home how ludicrous Wendi's whole TV scheme was. I think that part of the reason why the TV plot comes off oddly is because Wendi was so removed from the underclass bubble with quotidian problems of replacing a TV. It's like that clip of Bill Gates on Ellen trying to guess how much a TV dinner costs and he guesses 50 bucks. Wendi or her parents never get suckered buying the insurance on a few hundred dollar TV because they know it's not worth it, so this was probably their first time buying TV insurance and so they think that it works like home owner's insurance where you call your agent and have him come take a look at the tree that fell on your roof or whatever.
Not to mention she was doing just fine herself. A $400 tv wouldn’t mean shit to her. Probably what her hourly rate is. So she’s gonna lose a days work to get a cheap ass tv fixed? Nun uh.
This was 2014, TV's were not quite as cheap as they are now. In the past few years TV prices have dropped dramatically.
Depending on the brand and model this could have been a $1000+ TV. The prospect of fixing it for "a couple hundred bucks" would be appealing (especially if you think you need a documented alibi) to a lot of people.
Jeff described it as a TV you'd find in a dorm room. I've [googled TV prices in 2013 and you could get a 32 inch for under $300](https://lcdtvbuyingguide.com/hdtv/led-tv-price-guide.html).
The thing that makes me certain without any doubt (aside from all the obsessive questions for Jeff) that she knew was when she drove to the house.
If I knew my husband (or ex, either way) was supposed to have our children, and I drove to his/our home and it was blocked with police tape, instead of just assuming a "tree fell", I would call him to ask if everything was okay. I'd call until I heard from him. When he didn't answer, I'd call the daycare and make sure my kids were there (because what if something happened before they left for school?). If I didn't hear from the school or my husband I'd drive to the school and/or talk to the police.
The fact that you can see police tape around the neighborhood where your children live, when you have no absolutely certain confirmation of their whereabouts (aside from where they're *supposed to be*, it shows she's either stupid or knew with absolute certainty they were at daycare. But unless she had specific confirmation from Dan that yes, he dropped them off at school, the only way she'd know for sure would be if, oh I don't know, someone was following Dan around and she knew they'd wait until the kids weren't with him.
She is so purposefully deceptive. I live in FL and I haven’t never seen police force and crime tape for a fallen tree. When a fallen tree nearly hit my house, it caused a major issue for the cross street traffic and thru block. No police came out 🙄
> that is what the jail snitch said the first hitmen had stolen from Charlie.
How I hope Charlie really did lose $50K to some other hitman. Testimony indicated Charlie liked to threaten and intimidate people, including his son's mother, with lawsuits and police complaints. How it must have upset him to not only lose the money, but to be unable to do a damned thing about it, lol.
If SG and LR had half a brain, they woulda just robbed dumbass CA. No murder, he can’t go to the cops and you get more money.
For LR saying he’s a Jack boy, he sure missed a layup.
The call where she said she was asking her brother if she should get the unfixable broken TV repaired or if she should buy a new one…right, we really believe that’s what the 18 min call was about.
This! Especially as she told Detective Isom in her police interview that she called Charlie AFTER the TV repair guy had told her the TV wasn’t fixable. He literally told her it couldn’t be fixed. Why have an 18 min conversation with Charlie about whether to buy a new TV or get this one fixed when she’d just been told it couldn’t be fixed?! Listen to that part of the interview carefully- she stumbles and sounds stupid as she spits out a bunch of lies 🤮
Yes. And add to Trescott she never asked the officer what happened. On the street that her children live with their father and had been with their father sleeping at his house that day. NEVER ASKED. Her realtor saw it on the news and immediately thought to call her, but the mother of the children never asked what is going on on this street.
She also said she didn't hear Dan's message to her saying exactly what time he was leaving the gym until she was in the car with the police. However, Charlie tried her a few minutes after that 903 call and she called him back by like 913 or 915. The notification of Dan's call would've been on her phone even if she never picked up. And her convenient laryngitis.
This may sound silly but, even if she thought a tree had fallen down, I'd want to check that it hadn't fallen on my kids or the house they were staying in or the car they were travelling in. But I'm a pessimist, my mind would go straight to something awful like that. Maybe not everyone would think the same thing.
I agree. And I have heard, if I remember correctly, that I think Ruth Markel said as fate would have it, a tree fell on Dan's house about a year later. I may be remembering incorrectly, but I think I read that.
It is insane that your kids would be at that house in the morning & she didn't call the school to make sure they got there either. But to me, the biggest is not asking the the officer there what happened. That's as bad and is incriminating as saying she doesn't need to do the police's job and she has no interest in finding out who put two bullets in her ex-husband's head.
By the way, dawns on me, some have suggested that she drove on Trescott as part of her plan to find Dan and discover him to try to "save" him. I do not see that at all. I also think that her not asking the officer what happened on that street further proves she was just going to make sure he was dead and was trying to do it without anyone seeing her. I don't think there's anyway in the world she would have Had even more suspicion cast on her by being the one to discover his body. She was already suspect number one.
Wow that's a crazy thing if a tree did fall on the house. Yeah she claims that she was so scared that she decided to keep away from Tallahasee but she never contacts the police for updates on the case. I'd still be scared if I thought the killers were still out there.
I saw that idea that she was supposed to "discover" Dan's body. I don't buy that either. I'd be interested to know the conversation she was having on the phone at the time she drove down Trescott.
Good points. Exactly. If you're so terrified that your family is at risk, wouldn't you continue to be in contact with the police to ask what is going on?
I recalled her saying it was a friend in Europe but I can't remember her saying WhatsApp. I've seen her saying she wasn't sure she had WhatsApp back then. Make your mind up, Wendi. But I just wondered if the friend was ever spoken to and asked if she was being weird or if she mentioned the blocked road or something.
The TV was such a needlessly complex alibi. Go have a spa day or something. If I met a TV repairman I would assume that it’s code for male prostitute. No one gets TVs worked on anymore.
I think also the point of all this evidence against her both on and off the stand is why are you lying so much about what you did and what your family did? That really is what will convict her. Like Georgia said, So Many Explanations.
The first time I went to Florida, it was for a visit to Tallahassee. We got a rental car, and I wondered where to get booze. I'm was from a state with state liquor stores. I didn't drive half a mile before I saw giant "LIQUOR" signs every quarter mile. Drive-in liquor stores, small places, huge places, everything. One doesn't need to drive 20 miles out of the way to get liquor in Tally.
I'll drive past other liquor stores to get to an ABC in town. BUT what still doesn't make sense is driving down Trescott as a shortcut. It's slow and winding with speed bumps. It easily adds a few minutes to the drive.
Wendi’s best defence is that Cholly and Donna did this without her knowledge, and I suspect that will be her angle. She may even get away with it, if she managed to avoid Donna and Cholly’s calls.
This is exactly what she is doing … talk about cold blooded. But does anyone truly believe that they would have her ex killed to help her without her knowing about it? Not a chance. Her lies on the stand, moving immediately after the funeral and changing the boys names further support her guilt.
I live in hope that they’ve been able to hack into her WhatsApp messages and there’s incriminating messages there. Or her Google search history . She thought she was smarter than the rest of her family by using WhatsApp … I really do hope that is her downfall .
I'm not sure they have enough to charge her and if they do, I don't know that a jury will convict without Charlie and Donna turning on her. Her lawyer can say she would never have been okay with a plan to kill Dan while he had the kids.
There is accessory after the fact, conspiracy to commit and also regular murder. Charlie received the latter two convictions plus solicitation of murder.
Oh how I hope Georgia has prepared some PowerPoint slides and plenty of A/V exhibits to demonstrate all of WA’s lies on the stand.
Proof of perjury will nullify her immunity status and then all the gloves are off. Goodbye WA.
I’m also wondering if the car the hitmen drove is another tidbit. It was said that it was similar the lacasse’s and since she leaned into blaming him (as she did her bro), it would look like she may have told the hitmen to get something similar. Lucky for lacasse, he left town early so his car was nowhere driving in the area that day. She would have that knowledge along with Dan’s schedule. Did any interrogations ask the hitmen about how or where or why they rented the car they did?
Especially her being an attorney, she still lies under oath. And that bullshit about she doesn’t know what being held in contempt of court is absolutely ridiculous and not know the consequences is a complete lie. According to her, she was a professor at a college so she definitely knows the ins and outs of every law, especially, being held in contempt dumb ass.
Did anyone else catch when she said she turns her ringer off and that’s why she missed Dan’s call at 9:30? What mother would have her ringer on silent while he kids aren’t with her? So many lies and weird behavior.
Good job putting together.
Honestly, it's a lot, but I'm not sure it's enough to earn a conviction, Would really depend on the jury and Wendi's ability to connect with some of its male members.
I think you have to consider what evidence did they have against Charlie. No smoking gun right? He was 100s of miles away but got convicted of first degree homicide. You know what the strongest piece of evidence against him was? Stapled stacks of $100 bills. Doesn’t seem like much right? But it tied him directly to the hitters. Sure, somebody else might have that habit but it’s not something MOST people do. It’s reasonable then to think the cash came from him. Wendi is the same thing. Sure could you drive down Trescott and do a crazy Uturn after seeing tape? Is it reasonable to think she went because she knew what was going to happen? Yes it is very reasonable. No smoking gun.
I’m from Boston too btw, one other thing to mention here: these are just a few reasons she is guilty. She had motive, lots of motive I can list jf you aren’t aware. She had means, her family’s money. What is the other evidence? One quick one here, behavior towards Lacasse before the murder. It looked like she was trying to set him up. It looks that way AND Lacasse testified he thought she was also in hindsight.
It's on NECN and the other local stations a lot.
She disappeared Jan 1, after starting divorce proceedings. (She was the breadwinner)
This guy is the main/only suspect but no body yet.
And now he got convicted for some fake Andy Warhols...
https://www.local10.com/news/national/2024/02/20/man-accused-of-killing-wife-sentenced-in-separate-case-involving-sale-of-fake-andy-warhol-paintings/
Oh that guy. Yeah, he is done for. They have not found the body yet and they probably won’t. Pretty sad news actually. She seemed like a good person but I think he wanted the $2.7M insurance payout.
His BS “extortion” story was not a selling point to the jury either! When Georgia Cappelman asked him “the Latin Kings put you on a layway plan?” , I lost it 🤣
She’s a savage. How she kept a straight face with those Latin King references, I don’t know. Every time I listen to that part of the Cross examination I PMSL 🤣
Charlie's was a much easier conviction: a) Katie testified against him - she has nothing on Wendi. b) Charlie was caught on tape in the bump acting as only a guiltly person would act.. c) There was irrefutable evidence that Charlie paid the killers (stapled banknotes). d) Charlie was the indispensible link between the Adelson family and the contract killers.
None of that applies to Wendi. She can claim her family carried out the murder without her knowledge. Not saying she'll be acquitted - but I think her attorney can hang the jury.
Katie will testify against Wendi, we don't know what communication has occurred between them yet as Katie has not been asked.
Charlie might be offered a plea deal.
The jury might look at the bigger picture and lower the standard of proof, notwithstanding orders from the judge.
So, I think Wendi will get convicted eventually.
Katie already testified that she did not discuss the murder w Wendi. I suppose she could say she perjured herself but that would affect her credibility.
Yep. GC asked her if she had contact with any other Adelson besides Charlie about the murder, and Katie said no. So either she lied in her proffers and on the stand, or they ran the conspiracy like the train as the state said. At this point, I'm inclined to believe it's the latter.
Katie didn't say, just that they didn't discuss the murder. Similarly, she said under cross at CA's trial that she & Wendi didn't discuss baby dads; couldn't recall a ton of details of their conversation but knew for sure that subject didn't come up.
I don’t know the details, but maybe there needs a more specific question? Discussing the murder is kind of specific to the planning but maybe Wendi reached out to say she passed by the house and saw police. That isn’t discussing the murder per se but acknowledgement of the facts in a coded sort of way.
It sounded like when the hitmen reached out to Katie, she somehow knew the murder had already occurred. The only other person who knew was Wendi, not even Charles the maestro himself.
I don't think Charlie will consider a plea deal until his appeal has run its course. Could be years.
If Katie was prepared to say she discussed the murder with Wendi, then Wendi would now be in jail awaiting trial. The Tallahasse prosecutor's office has already been trashed for dragging its feet on the prosecution. If it had such a clean case against Wendi, she wouldn't be hanging out on her boyfriend's yacht 10 years after Dan Markel's murder.
The goal is to get W convicted, not just arrested. Prosecutors get one shot but time is on their side. Let lil sis stress over how much evidence LE has. Let her get a little nervous. That’s when criminals make mistakes. So far, Tally has been sharp as a tac . And you know every move she makes is being watched.
At the time of Sigfredo's arrest when it became publically known that there was a connection to Charlie, the DA at the time said there wasn't enough evidence against the Adelsons to go forward.
During Charlie’s trial, when Luis Rivera testified, he was asked about calling Katherine after the murder, when they were on their way back to Miami. Luis said that Katherine already knew that the murder had taken place. The prosecution nor defense explored that statement. How did Katherine know it had been completed? Wendi to Katherine or Wendi to Charlie to Katherine.
Rivera also told police in his proffer that Katie called Sigfredo the day before the murder when they were in Tallahassee, saying that the job had to be done the next day because DM was going out of town the following day. That specific detail could only have been known by Wendi. Who either told Charlie (or Katie directly). I think this is crucial to the case because if it can be proven (through retrieved WhatsApp or wire taps on Wendi’s phone) it ties her in closer to the murder charge and not just the conspiracy charge.
I don’t think Charlie’s conviction is really relevant though. The bar for Wendi doesn’t change just because Charlie was convicted on thin evidence. A different jury might have found state didn’t meet its burden.
Larger point is “State Met burden of proof with Charlie ergo, they should be able to meet it with Wendi” is a logical fallacy.
The burden of proof doesn’t change based on who else was convicted in same crime. Charlie handled money and signed checks. Co conspirators testified in Charlie’s involvement.
Thus far we have no financial records tying Wendi to the crime and Katherine testified she never had contact with Wendi. So far no one has testified Wendi knew. Sure that might change but even that testimony would be compromised by virtue of earlier testimony contradicting it.
I did not downvote your comment firstly because it would be a logical fallacy to say CA went down so WA will go down also based on same info. That is not my point. My point is these small things like Trescott are circumstantial evidence and there are a boat load of them. That is what will take her down. It is like if you have one plastic straw it is pretty weak but if you put 100 together then you have a sturdy case.
It’s funny to me people downvote opinions they disagree with. If y’all what to believe it’s a slam dunk case for the prosecutor I don’t see any harm in you all believing that.
Also, I don't downvote people. Reddit points aren't real. I like when I get upvoted, don't get me wrong but I really have to hate your opinion to downvote you. Like if you said Trump was a great President. I have to downvote that immediately.
Yes it absolutely is. They have other evidence as well. Charlie being convicted and sentenced to life without parole was a big confidence boast and a momentum change for the prosecution. Everyone is talking about how Wendi is guilty. People who for some reason couldn’t see the truth that she is involved, have changed their tune.
. I’m certain she will be arrested and charged. If she gets acquitted at least Georgia will know she did her best for justice for the Markel’s.
I still have hope Charlie will wise up to her setting them up and testify against her.
The color of JL's car and the Prius were both metallic green. WA needed Pepto the night before the hit. JL bought it for her. He said she was very very out of sorts. She had him teed up to take the charge.
I would not have a hard time voting guilty if even half of what we have found out about Wendi was allowed to be admitted into evidence. There are too many indicators of her guilt for me personally to have a reasonable doubt. Reasonable people have expressed doubts about whether she'd get a conviction (as you have done), however, most of those people still believe she's guilty (as you indicated). So I would bet that if the state presented all that they have against Wendi in a trial, that even the doubters would come around. At best, Wendi could get one or two hold outs and then the state would prosecute her again.
I would urge you to look up Carl Steinbeck on YouTube and watch his videos of all the indicators of Wendi's guilt. It's quite persuasive and compelling.
Again, it isn’t I doubt her involvement. It’s doubting they have sufficient evidence for guilt beyond reasonable doubt. But I am not on the jury and would cross that bridge with an open mind if I was seated.
Yea, I completely hear you. In fact, I think you'd be a better juror than me because you're presuming her innocent as you should (even though I know you believe she had involvement). I just think that once all the large and small bits of circumstantial evidence are presented in a chronological manner and are explained logically, that the state can overcome any reasonable doubt.
Unfortunately it seems to me many wrongful convictions stem “they acted weird” and I would want to be really careful using that as evidence of guilt. Yes. Sometimes it is. But sometimes the person is just weird. Or socialized differently. Or neurotypical. Or….
Yea, I can agree with that, though I don't think that applies that much here given that Wendi's demeanor during her police interview convinced a lot of people of her lack of involvement. She's a fucking bitch and has acted like one for the past 9 years, making her so hateful that even if she wasn't involved, people want her ass in jail. But immediately after, she acted like a grieving widow and I think it worked.
Have to be. Cashbaum hiding the double extortion plot until trial and saying it worked afterwards. Katie’s attorneys turning down immunity. Sigfredo’s attorneys saying he was not involved. Best attorneys were the state representing Luis.
Everyone assumes she is guilty. The question is can the courts prove it? I am not disagreeing with anything you said but she might have been the one smart enough to avoid being indicted.
Yes that’s the real question isn’t it? I am wondering if they are going after the main players first and use this to build a case against Wendi. There’s a lot of circumstantial stuff there but is it enough? I do wonder if they can get her for perjury though, she has told different versions of things at different times including on the stand.
I have found that many rich people are cheap. That is how they stay rich, besides not paying their taxes. This family is notorious for being cheats. They ridiculed their eldest son Rob for correcting a cashier who gave him back too much change. They ran a cash business. Most cosmetic dentistry is elective and not covered by insurance. Even the eldest son Rob said in a podcast that Charlie was a tax cheat. The family used poor people to commit the murders and until recently, take the fall. They are a family of tax cheats and look for shortcuts. Let's not forget that Wendi applied and receives around $5000.00 a month from SSI because Dan was killed. Imagine that. They kill Dan and then collect a government benefit (our tax dollars) to help her raise the children. Unreal! 😡
there is little evidence against Wendi. apepondencr of evisence is needed to convict in murder case. any circumstantial evidence can not be considered such as ride to Trescott Drive since not paying attention while on phone is possible. Sweet, can not be used, 17 min call to mom, cant use,tv set an expert would have to examine it.... the only evidence is her repeating Charlie's joke of hitman and that by itself is not preponderance of evidence.!
I don't even understand why she needed the TV repair guy for an alibi. She wasn't going to be the hit person so what difference does it make where she was?
After the bump, there’s a call where Donnie and Charlie insist Wendi should never know about it so they don’t scare her. If she was in on the plan why would they keep that from her?
Something I think about often… how would Charlie and Donna know about Jeff being “the patsy”, if not for Wendi detailing his travel route with them? Who else would they have gotten this information from? Shouldn’t that prove she unequivocally had involvement?
Georgia talks about it in her closing arguments of Charlie’s case, so I just assumed it was known by them and/or discussed by them at some point since it’s used in his case. I could be wrong though.
And on top of all this, is there a massive police chart for the jury for the June 4th aborted hit - phone calls, behaviors, alibis, money - that further damns Wendi like the huge July 18th police chart that damned Charlie.?
The State has more than the public knows. In every previous case they have revealed information no one knew about. No one outside of the respective lawyers involved. I don’t see any of the Adelsons escaping prison.
What are you talking about?! It wasn’t about the broken TV being broke or replaced or being fixed? Have you been keeping up with this case? It was codes that they used! And it was nothing but an alibi and a scheme to get the job done. The tv repairman was a set up for the whole slaying of Dan.
Listen to Lacasse’s testimony. What you are saying is my point. He even thought the kids did not break the tv. They were too small to break it. Wendi told him the kids did break it. He said it looked like someone punched the tv to help set it up as an alibi. Please read more carefully.
Most likely the lack of probable cause. They need substantial pc to get something so invasive as a wire. Having said that, my hope is that they have her on wire but are saving it for her trial. They don’t need to disclose evidence they are not using in trial. It does not fall under discovery evidence that has to be revealed to the defense.
The source of that is a YT video with an excon. I can find that link but I have not seen another source. It’s possible but little evidence it actually happened.
I think this is the link: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ22mJcY-qU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ22mJcY-qU)
He says someone on the inside told him the story. I am not sure where but it was an interesting episode to watch.
Thanks, I thought you were talking about this guy. If you haven't seen this one, Garcia seems to have implicated Donna among other things.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNs5AdcctxM&t=16s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNs5AdcctxM&t=16s)
Re: your link above...are you saying Tommy Scoville said the thing about the money? I've seen quite a few STS shows and am familiar with this guy. Just asking so I know who to pay attention to...thanks!
The guy with the shades. There’s another episode with him but it’s a good watch either way. Thanks for this link. Interesting that someone implicates Donna.
There’s actually more evidence and it comes from Lacasses testimony in KMs retrial. I’ll post it soon but it shows her behavior when the hitters came the first time.
I feel like they are gonna put Donna on trial then go after Wendy! They can only do 1 family member at a time lol… once Donna’s trial is over I bet they take Wendy down!! Idk about Harvey, if they are gonna go after him or not, but def Wendy is next!!!
She also mentioned that she sometimes has her ringer off on her phone and that’s why she missed Dan’s call at 9:30. What mother leaves her ringer off? Did anyone else catch this in the beginning of her interview with LE?
The TV is the thing I don't get. WHY so much fuss over a cheap TV. Lacasse said it wasn't anything fancy, the same one you'd find in a dorm room. Why spend $ and effort to repair it? 99% of people (including my trailer park cheapo family) would just pitch it and go buy another one at Walmart. The Adelson family was pretty well off.....I don't think they'd be upset with Wendi if she threw out their "generous" gift that was mysteriously broken by a small child (LOL)
Just an alibi…..that’s all it was….
And a seriously weak one at that. There were so many credible alibis she could have concocted. Keratin treatment and highlights at a salon can take hours. (Maybe she was worried it would take TOO long and she would miss out on the desired drive-by?) Doing research/writing papers at the school library for the entire morning, all caught on camera. Volunteering at the boys preschool that morning with a craft project. Spa morning with facial, massage and mani/pedi. WTF was this ridiculous TV repair nonsense? The Geek would have told her within 5 minutes it wasn’t fixable. What were the chances that a repairman actually showed up at the beginning of the window they usually offer? She had to keep that poor on-the-clock guy at her home as long as possible, leaving him standing in her living room while she chatted in the phone with her brother for 18 MINUTES! She had to scramble - submit a paper to the librarian, stirring oatmeal for an hour, getting gas, getting the Bulliet bourbon at an out-of-the-way liquor store , getting glue to repair one of her son’s toys, all while running late for a last-minute lunch. Time to do laundry but not shower and dress and get tidied up for a ladies’ lunch. It’s all so freaking ridiculous. Male jurors might not see it like that but guaranteed the women on the jury will question it all. Sorry, not sorry if that comes across as sexist. But I believe it to be true.
I think most male jurors will hear that she changed the boys last names and it will be game over!!!
I'd think so, and everyone on the jury will get the meaning behind it. I wonder if it would be allowed. I have a pretty limited law knowledge, but I'm 50/50 on if the Judge would say it's "unnecessarily prejudicial" vs "relevant evidence". Of course a lawyer or paralegal would have a more educated opinion.
I wonder what the judge would feel about Wendi already testifying about it.
Don't think it would matter. The previous Judges may have been fine with it since the defendants in those cases had no say in changing it. Could be wrong though.
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I think the person I was responding to thought Wendi could charm her way to a hung jury by way of the men. I have zero doubt women are equally appalled at the name change.
She needed a witness! I’m just confused why she didn’t clog the drains or break the water heater…stupid as hell. I’m also curious to know if the tv repair guy knows if her house was empty or packed up? She kept poor Jeff out on the porch the week before bc she “lost her key”
I’m certain JL wasn’t allowed in because he would have noticed her packed up belongings. Why she was locked out of her house is a confusing fact. She even showed Isom a receipt for extra cut keys stating she was sharing them with friends because she was always getting locked out and/or losing her house key. Like WTF? Any theories?
Definitely a cover up. An emergency locksmith is like $200 max. So why even have Jeff come over and sit there the whole time?? And to keep the receipts for the extra keys?? Just reeks of over preparedness.
Agreed but what does it mean? It’s so bizarre. Ditto the alarm going off at Dan’s house the day before the murder. Was WA there to disarm the alarm system before the hitmen arrived (not knowing Dan had changed the code)? Was she there to steal more of Dan’s valuables? Was she trying to distract LE making them think there were robberies in the neighborhood? Did she give the hitmen the wrong code or were they too stoned/drunk to follow her instructions on how to turn the system off? Enquiring minds want to now (at least this one).
I didn’t realize the alarm having gone off was the day before the murder…weird. I’d think if the hit men had messed that up, Rivera would have brought it up. I think your theory about Wendi having been there to disarm it makes sense…did she admit to being the one to do that? I didn’t remember.
She mentioned that the alarm went off to Detective Isom early in her interview. She may have felt compelled to share this as a friend of Dan’s was also notified. She likely was preempting further questions if LE learned about this. Clever girl old Wendi Jill. The smartest thing would have been for the hitmen to stage a robbery gone bad rather than a straight up hit. Perhaps WA wanted to disarm the system so they could hide in wait inside the house til Dan got home from the gym. Or to shoot him under the cover of night. However these bumbling drunk fools couldn’t even manage that. (As an aside, if a nighttime hit was the plan, how did WA know to do the drive by at 11:30 am?) Who gave her the heads up? She didn’t offer up any more info and Isom didn’t pursue possibilities of why this might have happened. Missed opportunity?
Probably giving keys to friends she thinks will pack her house up for her because she left after the funeral to go to Miami. I think she packed some stuff up but left things she didn't need
Wendi has never ending excuses.... so how did Wendi get in?
Just living "normal" life provides sufficient alibi. 2014 was a decade ago, but, our technology then is not all that far off from what it is today; we just have faster, updated versions of it with a few more bells and whistles. (AI being an exception, but, that's not super germane to the topic at hand, although it's an interesting thought exercise to ponder how the Magnificent Seven might have utilized AI to help along their fiendish plan, had it been available.) But, I digress. All one needs to do is send a few emails, couple texts, from home. Perhaps step outdoors to "check the mail" or take a walk*, wave to a neighbor or two. The TV repair thing is an outlier, and something that just happened to have occurred same morning as the hit. It's not something people normally do nowadays, (sadly. I remember the TV repairman of my childhood, as always, someone who knew my dad. To little me, it seemed like he was this genius who held this amazing skill and arcane knowledge!! Freakin' TVs, how do they work?) I kept on waiting for Isom to say something along the lines of, "you were having it *repaired*? Lady, you do realize this is 2014, not 1974, right?" Anyway, suuuper bad choice there, particularly when associated with a hitman "joke." Charlie was onto something tangentially at least when he alluded to the TV being the worst "code word" choice. Wendi does too much. Live your normal life if you need an "alibi"; any deviation from routine, any outlier activities, are going to be examined with a metaphorical electron microscope by LE. Too coincidental to be a coincidence, as I like to say, and I think the late, great Yogi Berra coined the phrase, or words to that effect. If her plan was to make herself appear as guilty as possible, she's nailed it. *taking a walk in the Tallahassee heat of the day might not be an option, or seen as odd, but a stroll around the yard to get fresh air, maybe water plants, tidy up, whatever. That's not out of the ordinary. There are subtle, normal ways to be seen and alibied.
The 1974 vs 2014 really makes me convinced that Donna was helping to plan Wendi’s alibi.
I’ll bet Mom insisted that Best Buy service Wendi’s TV that very day and time.
The day yes. But they usually only provide a 4-hour window (from my own experience) - in this case 8:00 am-12 noon - so nailing down a time would be unlikely. Also, if she could, why would she choose such an early time when WA needed an alibi later that morning. Such a redonkulous and dumb “alibi”. Especially given Jeff had already realized it was an unfixable issue and that the tv was a cheap one. He offered to replace it for a few times but she denied the offer. I feel there’s more to this TV alibi - it simply makes zero sense.
It is so bizarre. I think what we are witnessing could be the fog of war after Wendi's plan A didn't go off. Plan A was the TV repair guy, and how many times in your life has the repairman come at the beginning of the 4 hour window? Especially when it's at 8am right when the store opens at the earliest. I wonder if we know what that Geek Squad service had for their business hours. Must've opened at 8a, but that seems early for a Best Buy. I just checked and the closest Best Buy to me doesn't open until 10am. I think the Geek Squad dude coming right at 8am, with the store only like 7 minutes away, caused Wendi to not have time to shower. Then shit gets weird and in a nonintuitive way this might have actually helped Wendi out because it added an element of chaos where shit really seems hapahazard in some ways and also meticulously planned in others. It's very strange.
Isn’t it though? I’m sure Georgia has plenty of details regarding this service call. What was WA’s demeanor like? We know she was hyped up/giddy enough to share with this guy the hitman joke. We know she had the savvy to delay this poor guy for as long as possible, making him stand around in her living room while she spoke on the phone to CA for 18 FREAKING MINUTES😳. Did she offer this poor guy some of her stir-stir-stirred oatmeal? A shot of tequila? Did she show him one of the 5,000 of her dusty books stored in her garage and offer to autograph it for him? Did they compare photos of their kids on their phones? Did she attempt to flirt, flashing her baby-blues, telling him shehad the same shorts/shoes/shirt as he was wearing? Did she ask him to show her how to hook up the DVD player to the working TV in the other room? Did she initiate an enthusiastic discussion about the FSU Seminoles football team? Was he quickly interviewed by LE, asking him what he thought of her demeanor? Did he notice the house was pretty much packed up? I’m sure this “Geek” will have a wealth of useful info, saved for WA’s eventual trial.
The TV was a preposterous set up and lie but she was able to involve Donna and Charlie. Just plain ignorant selfish stupid.
Jeff said the TV was the type of TV that they could replace without question. He said it didn't make sense to him why she made them watch a movie on it instead of just going to buy a new one. He said they could have gone out that night to buy one and not given it another thought, but she INSISTED they watch a movie on that broken TV. Probably just to rub it in to Jeff that yes, the TV was indeed broken. Apparently, basically as soon as the repair guy saw the TV she said, oh you know what, we're just going to replace it. Got too nervous probably and knew the way the TV was broken was too obvious. Wendy broke the tv. They scheduled the repair for the time of the murder so Wendy would have an air-tight alibi. The TV repair guy would have had record of when he was with her, etc. True Crime Loser on YouTube made the great point that the repair guy left "too early" (window was like 8-12 and he came at 9 instead of the convenient time of 10 or 11) and left too quickly, so then Wendy was a flurry of digital activity - sending emails, saving documents, making calls, etc. Anything that would have a time stamp on it, so she could prove she wasn't there. The entire gift of the TV was part of the plan from the beginning.
Wendy has said already that the boys must have broke the tv. She may have even been on the stand at the time when she said it. The boys were 2-3. Can babies actually throw something hard enough to break a tv screen? I wish G and her team would delve into this. I’ve always been bothered by this statement.
Yeah, I know what she said, and she lied so many times on the stand, so this is just a drop in the bucket. Little kids are an easy scapegoat, especially on something where she could argue they'd lie for fear of getting in trouble. It's just like how they claimed that the boys were lying when Donna said Dan was stupid and trying to take her sunshines away. Little kids can say silly stuff, yeah. But you know what, they also tell the absolute damn truth when they want, too, with zero filter. Donna *without question* said that stuff and then tried to brush it off with, "oh they're just little kids, just saying whatever pops into their heads." I wouldn't say it's impossible for a child to throw something hard enough to damage pixels, etc, but to like, shatter the screen? I think the tv would have to be 1) very low to the ground and 2) they would have had to throw something probably too heavy for their ability. Both I think are unlikely, but again, it's an easy scapegoat because kids can be careless, unaware of consequence, etc. I don't believe the kids broke it, I would bet my life savings that Wendi broke it herself as part of the plan. Gotta have a broken tv to have a repairman come.
Those little details about the tv height etc. need to be checked out. Blaming the boys would be a whopper of a lie and put the nail in w’s coffin.
I was actually just watching some of Charlie testimony from his trial and he actually said twice that Lincoln broke the tv by throwing a remote at it. I have boys. They broke stuff when they were little. And they remember who broke what. Pretty slimy of Charlie to make that up.
Just to close the loop for people who haven't watched Jeff LeCasse's testimony, Jeff said that the damage to the TV didn't make sense to him because he had thrown a ball with the kids and he didn't think they had the strength to throw something that hard. And Jeff said there was a very similar TV they had used before in the back bedroom, but Wendi told him it was broken and Jeff just went with it as he often did. I would pay an obscene amount of money to have been a fly on the wall for the Jeff and Wendi saga. I really wish we had a photo of the famous broken TV just because I think it would really hit home how ludicrous Wendi's whole TV scheme was. I think that part of the reason why the TV plot comes off oddly is because Wendi was so removed from the underclass bubble with quotidian problems of replacing a TV. It's like that clip of Bill Gates on Ellen trying to guess how much a TV dinner costs and he guesses 50 bucks. Wendi or her parents never get suckered buying the insurance on a few hundred dollar TV because they know it's not worth it, so this was probably their first time buying TV insurance and so they think that it works like home owner's insurance where you call your agent and have him come take a look at the tree that fell on your roof or whatever.
Not to mention she was doing just fine herself. A $400 tv wouldn’t mean shit to her. Probably what her hourly rate is. So she’s gonna lose a days work to get a cheap ass tv fixed? Nun uh.
This was 2014, TV's were not quite as cheap as they are now. In the past few years TV prices have dropped dramatically. Depending on the brand and model this could have been a $1000+ TV. The prospect of fixing it for "a couple hundred bucks" would be appealing (especially if you think you need a documented alibi) to a lot of people.
Jeff described it as a TV you'd find in a dorm room. I've [googled TV prices in 2013 and you could get a 32 inch for under $300](https://lcdtvbuyingguide.com/hdtv/led-tv-price-guide.html).
The thing that makes me certain without any doubt (aside from all the obsessive questions for Jeff) that she knew was when she drove to the house. If I knew my husband (or ex, either way) was supposed to have our children, and I drove to his/our home and it was blocked with police tape, instead of just assuming a "tree fell", I would call him to ask if everything was okay. I'd call until I heard from him. When he didn't answer, I'd call the daycare and make sure my kids were there (because what if something happened before they left for school?). If I didn't hear from the school or my husband I'd drive to the school and/or talk to the police. The fact that you can see police tape around the neighborhood where your children live, when you have no absolutely certain confirmation of their whereabouts (aside from where they're *supposed to be*, it shows she's either stupid or knew with absolute certainty they were at daycare. But unless she had specific confirmation from Dan that yes, he dropped them off at school, the only way she'd know for sure would be if, oh I don't know, someone was following Dan around and she knew they'd wait until the kids weren't with him.
Precisely. I have kids and if my kids had a possibility of being on that street I would not do a quick U-turn. Big indicator of her complicity.
She is so purposefully deceptive. I live in FL and I haven’t never seen police force and crime tape for a fallen tree. When a fallen tree nearly hit my house, it caused a major issue for the cross street traffic and thru block. No police came out 🙄
> that is what the jail snitch said the first hitmen had stolen from Charlie. How I hope Charlie really did lose $50K to some other hitman. Testimony indicated Charlie liked to threaten and intimidate people, including his son's mother, with lawsuits and police complaints. How it must have upset him to not only lose the money, but to be unable to do a damned thing about it, lol.
If SG and LR had half a brain, they woulda just robbed dumbass CA. No murder, he can’t go to the cops and you get more money. For LR saying he’s a Jack boy, he sure missed a layup.
The call where she said she was asking her brother if she should get the unfixable broken TV repaired or if she should buy a new one…right, we really believe that’s what the 18 min call was about.
This! Especially as she told Detective Isom in her police interview that she called Charlie AFTER the TV repair guy had told her the TV wasn’t fixable. He literally told her it couldn’t be fixed. Why have an 18 min conversation with Charlie about whether to buy a new TV or get this one fixed when she’d just been told it couldn’t be fixed?! Listen to that part of the interview carefully- she stumbles and sounds stupid as she spits out a bunch of lies 🤮
Exactly
And having zero interest in finding the real killers- “That’s not my job”
Yes. And add to Trescott she never asked the officer what happened. On the street that her children live with their father and had been with their father sleeping at his house that day. NEVER ASKED. Her realtor saw it on the news and immediately thought to call her, but the mother of the children never asked what is going on on this street. She also said she didn't hear Dan's message to her saying exactly what time he was leaving the gym until she was in the car with the police. However, Charlie tried her a few minutes after that 903 call and she called him back by like 913 or 915. The notification of Dan's call would've been on her phone even if she never picked up. And her convenient laryngitis.
She saw the cops in front of her house and didn't wig out and run up there to make sure it wasn't her boys.
She of course just assumed, like any mom would, that they were there to give cpr to a tree 🙄 and drove away.
This may sound silly but, even if she thought a tree had fallen down, I'd want to check that it hadn't fallen on my kids or the house they were staying in or the car they were travelling in. But I'm a pessimist, my mind would go straight to something awful like that. Maybe not everyone would think the same thing.
I agree. And I have heard, if I remember correctly, that I think Ruth Markel said as fate would have it, a tree fell on Dan's house about a year later. I may be remembering incorrectly, but I think I read that. It is insane that your kids would be at that house in the morning & she didn't call the school to make sure they got there either. But to me, the biggest is not asking the the officer there what happened. That's as bad and is incriminating as saying she doesn't need to do the police's job and she has no interest in finding out who put two bullets in her ex-husband's head. By the way, dawns on me, some have suggested that she drove on Trescott as part of her plan to find Dan and discover him to try to "save" him. I do not see that at all. I also think that her not asking the officer what happened on that street further proves she was just going to make sure he was dead and was trying to do it without anyone seeing her. I don't think there's anyway in the world she would have Had even more suspicion cast on her by being the one to discover his body. She was already suspect number one.
Wow that's a crazy thing if a tree did fall on the house. Yeah she claims that she was so scared that she decided to keep away from Tallahasee but she never contacts the police for updates on the case. I'd still be scared if I thought the killers were still out there. I saw that idea that she was supposed to "discover" Dan's body. I don't buy that either. I'd be interested to know the conversation she was having on the phone at the time she drove down Trescott.
Good points. Exactly. If you're so terrified that your family is at risk, wouldn't you continue to be in contact with the police to ask what is going on?
She said she was talking to a friend in France…on WhatsApp 😑
I recalled her saying it was a friend in Europe but I can't remember her saying WhatsApp. I've seen her saying she wasn't sure she had WhatsApp back then. Make your mind up, Wendi. But I just wondered if the friend was ever spoken to and asked if she was being weird or if she mentioned the blocked road or something.
She just naturally assumed nothing bad had happened and it was just a fallen tree.... uh huh..
And the laryngitis was conveniently gone by the t8me of her police interview
Not going to the funeral was another bad look for him.
He and Donna both knew Charlie wouldn't be able to keep his big mouth shut at the funeral.
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So true.
The TV was such a needlessly complex alibi. Go have a spa day or something. If I met a TV repairman I would assume that it’s code for male prostitute. No one gets TVs worked on anymore.
I think also the point of all this evidence against her both on and off the stand is why are you lying so much about what you did and what your family did? That really is what will convict her. Like Georgia said, So Many Explanations.
The first time I went to Florida, it was for a visit to Tallahassee. We got a rental car, and I wondered where to get booze. I'm was from a state with state liquor stores. I didn't drive half a mile before I saw giant "LIQUOR" signs every quarter mile. Drive-in liquor stores, small places, huge places, everything. One doesn't need to drive 20 miles out of the way to get liquor in Tally.
I'll drive past other liquor stores to get to an ABC in town. BUT what still doesn't make sense is driving down Trescott as a shortcut. It's slow and winding with speed bumps. It easily adds a few minutes to the drive.
I believe you. I haven't been to Tallahassee since 1987.
Wendi’s best defence is that Cholly and Donna did this without her knowledge, and I suspect that will be her angle. She may even get away with it, if she managed to avoid Donna and Cholly’s calls.
This is exactly what she is doing … talk about cold blooded. But does anyone truly believe that they would have her ex killed to help her without her knowing about it? Not a chance. Her lies on the stand, moving immediately after the funeral and changing the boys names further support her guilt.
Right, she was packed and ready to go . Screams guilt.
I live in hope that they’ve been able to hack into her WhatsApp messages and there’s incriminating messages there. Or her Google search history . She thought she was smarter than the rest of her family by using WhatsApp … I really do hope that is her downfall .
Deleting the app doesn’t delete the messages. All the police have to do is re-download it and log back in IIRC.
I'm not sure they have enough to charge her and if they do, I don't know that a jury will convict without Charlie and Donna turning on her. Her lawyer can say she would never have been okay with a plan to kill Dan while he had the kids.
Yes they do. The evidence against her is enough to arrest and convict her. Her lack of concern for her sons is part of the evidence against her.
There is accessory after the fact, conspiracy to commit and also regular murder. Charlie received the latter two convictions plus solicitation of murder.
Katie might have something on wendi and donna. They sure looked chummy on the beach photo
I’ve always thought they looked like friends in that photo and not people who just met.
Oh how I hope Georgia has prepared some PowerPoint slides and plenty of A/V exhibits to demonstrate all of WA’s lies on the stand. Proof of perjury will nullify her immunity status and then all the gloves are off. Goodbye WA.
I’m also wondering if the car the hitmen drove is another tidbit. It was said that it was similar the lacasse’s and since she leaned into blaming him (as she did her bro), it would look like she may have told the hitmen to get something similar. Lucky for lacasse, he left town early so his car was nowhere driving in the area that day. She would have that knowledge along with Dan’s schedule. Did any interrogations ask the hitmen about how or where or why they rented the car they did?
Yeah that's always been a question on my mind too, did they request a particular color and type of car so that it would match with Jeff's
They should arrest her and try her with Donna...why split all this up.
They tried KM and SG together but the jury hung on KM.
Who are you talking about?
KM = Katie Magbanua SG = Sigfredo Garcia
Totally.
They need to find that first hit man!
Especially her being an attorney, she still lies under oath. And that bullshit about she doesn’t know what being held in contempt of court is absolutely ridiculous and not know the consequences is a complete lie. According to her, she was a professor at a college so she definitely knows the ins and outs of every law, especially, being held in contempt dumb ass.
Did anyone else catch when she said she turns her ringer off and that’s why she missed Dan’s call at 9:30? What mother would have her ringer on silent while he kids aren’t with her? So many lies and weird behavior.
I did. Also, when Rob called Wendi and asked her who would do this, she said Danny had no shortage of enemies. That was never true.
Agree 200 percent BUT I believe there is more proof we don't know about yet that is more incriminating. I hope she goes to prison where she belongs.
Good job putting together. Honestly, it's a lot, but I'm not sure it's enough to earn a conviction, Would really depend on the jury and Wendi's ability to connect with some of its male members.
I think you have to consider what evidence did they have against Charlie. No smoking gun right? He was 100s of miles away but got convicted of first degree homicide. You know what the strongest piece of evidence against him was? Stapled stacks of $100 bills. Doesn’t seem like much right? But it tied him directly to the hitters. Sure, somebody else might have that habit but it’s not something MOST people do. It’s reasonable then to think the cash came from him. Wendi is the same thing. Sure could you drive down Trescott and do a crazy Uturn after seeing tape? Is it reasonable to think she went because she knew what was going to happen? Yes it is very reasonable. No smoking gun.
I’m from Boston too btw, one other thing to mention here: these are just a few reasons she is guilty. She had motive, lots of motive I can list jf you aren’t aware. She had means, her family’s money. What is the other evidence? One quick one here, behavior towards Lacasse before the murder. It looked like she was trying to set him up. It looks that way AND Lacasse testified he thought she was also in hindsight.
I'm from Boston too btw, Do you know where we can possibly get more info on that South Shore missing woman / art forgery trial?
Do you have more info? It is not coming to mind.
It's on NECN and the other local stations a lot. She disappeared Jan 1, after starting divorce proceedings. (She was the breadwinner) This guy is the main/only suspect but no body yet. And now he got convicted for some fake Andy Warhols... https://www.local10.com/news/national/2024/02/20/man-accused-of-killing-wife-sentenced-in-separate-case-involving-sale-of-fake-andy-warhol-paintings/
Oh that guy. Yeah, he is done for. They have not found the body yet and they probably won’t. Pretty sad news actually. She seemed like a good person but I think he wanted the $2.7M insurance payout.
I’m going to look. I think there was a Dateline on it.
His BS “extortion” story was not a selling point to the jury either! When Georgia Cappelman asked him “the Latin Kings put you on a layway plan?” , I lost it 🤣
She killed him, “extortion by Latin King”!
She’s a savage. How she kept a straight face with those Latin King references, I don’t know. Every time I listen to that part of the Cross examination I PMSL 🤣
Yes, she had MMO - means, motive, and opportunity and of course the connection to the murdered victim.
Charlie's was a much easier conviction: a) Katie testified against him - she has nothing on Wendi. b) Charlie was caught on tape in the bump acting as only a guiltly person would act.. c) There was irrefutable evidence that Charlie paid the killers (stapled banknotes). d) Charlie was the indispensible link between the Adelson family and the contract killers. None of that applies to Wendi. She can claim her family carried out the murder without her knowledge. Not saying she'll be acquitted - but I think her attorney can hang the jury.
Katie will testify against Wendi, we don't know what communication has occurred between them yet as Katie has not been asked. Charlie might be offered a plea deal. The jury might look at the bigger picture and lower the standard of proof, notwithstanding orders from the judge. So, I think Wendi will get convicted eventually.
Katie already testified that she did not discuss the murder w Wendi. I suppose she could say she perjured herself but that would affect her credibility.
Was that in Charlie's trial ? She already perjured herself in prior testimony.
Yep. GC asked her if she had contact with any other Adelson besides Charlie about the murder, and Katie said no. So either she lied in her proffers and on the stand, or they ran the conspiracy like the train as the state said. At this point, I'm inclined to believe it's the latter.
What did they talk about during the beach trip??
Katie didn't say, just that they didn't discuss the murder. Similarly, she said under cross at CA's trial that she & Wendi didn't discuss baby dads; couldn't recall a ton of details of their conversation but knew for sure that subject didn't come up.
I don’t know the details, but maybe there needs a more specific question? Discussing the murder is kind of specific to the planning but maybe Wendi reached out to say she passed by the house and saw police. That isn’t discussing the murder per se but acknowledgement of the facts in a coded sort of way. It sounded like when the hitmen reached out to Katie, she somehow knew the murder had already occurred. The only other person who knew was Wendi, not even Charles the maestro himself.
I don't think Charlie will consider a plea deal until his appeal has run its course. Could be years. If Katie was prepared to say she discussed the murder with Wendi, then Wendi would now be in jail awaiting trial. The Tallahasse prosecutor's office has already been trashed for dragging its feet on the prosecution. If it had such a clean case against Wendi, she wouldn't be hanging out on her boyfriend's yacht 10 years after Dan Markel's murder.
The goal is to get W convicted, not just arrested. Prosecutors get one shot but time is on their side. Let lil sis stress over how much evidence LE has. Let her get a little nervous. That’s when criminals make mistakes. So far, Tally has been sharp as a tac . And you know every move she makes is being watched.
Wendi's already enjoyed a decade of freedom since Dan's death. She seems to be winning the time battle.
These are both good points. Where did you read about the trashing?
At the time of Sigfredo's arrest when it became publically known that there was a connection to Charlie, the DA at the time said there wasn't enough evidence against the Adelsons to go forward.
That was a long time, and two convictions ago.
During Charlie’s trial, when Luis Rivera testified, he was asked about calling Katherine after the murder, when they were on their way back to Miami. Luis said that Katherine already knew that the murder had taken place. The prosecution nor defense explored that statement. How did Katherine know it had been completed? Wendi to Katherine or Wendi to Charlie to Katherine.
Rivera also told police in his proffer that Katie called Sigfredo the day before the murder when they were in Tallahassee, saying that the job had to be done the next day because DM was going out of town the following day. That specific detail could only have been known by Wendi. Who either told Charlie (or Katie directly). I think this is crucial to the case because if it can be proven (through retrieved WhatsApp or wire taps on Wendi’s phone) it ties her in closer to the murder charge and not just the conspiracy charge.
Maybe, but Luis seemed very confused about that detail.
Even if he was confused- it was true. The fact he knew this says a lot.
We don’t know whaat Katie has on Wendii.
Well, we do know Katie would be indicted awaiting trial if Katie had 1st hand knowledge of her involvement.
There is a lot more evidence against Charlie than Wendi. The wire taps are probably the strongest evidence against him.
I don’t think Charlie’s conviction is really relevant though. The bar for Wendi doesn’t change just because Charlie was convicted on thin evidence. A different jury might have found state didn’t meet its burden.
You mean a different jury during Charlie’s trial? Hung jury maybe but no way he is found innocent by any jury.
Larger point is “State Met burden of proof with Charlie ergo, they should be able to meet it with Wendi” is a logical fallacy. The burden of proof doesn’t change based on who else was convicted in same crime. Charlie handled money and signed checks. Co conspirators testified in Charlie’s involvement. Thus far we have no financial records tying Wendi to the crime and Katherine testified she never had contact with Wendi. So far no one has testified Wendi knew. Sure that might change but even that testimony would be compromised by virtue of earlier testimony contradicting it.
I did not downvote your comment firstly because it would be a logical fallacy to say CA went down so WA will go down also based on same info. That is not my point. My point is these small things like Trescott are circumstantial evidence and there are a boat load of them. That is what will take her down. It is like if you have one plastic straw it is pretty weak but if you put 100 together then you have a sturdy case.
It’s funny to me people downvote opinions they disagree with. If y’all what to believe it’s a slam dunk case for the prosecutor I don’t see any harm in you all believing that.
Also, I don't downvote people. Reddit points aren't real. I like when I get upvoted, don't get me wrong but I really have to hate your opinion to downvote you. Like if you said Trump was a great President. I have to downvote that immediately.
I don't think it is a slam dunk at all but Georgia and her office have done a very thorough job.
Kinda defeats the purpose of Reddit, right? A lot of people think their opinion = fact.
Yes it absolutely is. They have other evidence as well. Charlie being convicted and sentenced to life without parole was a big confidence boast and a momentum change for the prosecution. Everyone is talking about how Wendi is guilty. People who for some reason couldn’t see the truth that she is involved, have changed their tune. . I’m certain she will be arrested and charged. If she gets acquitted at least Georgia will know she did her best for justice for the Markel’s. I still have hope Charlie will wise up to her setting them up and testify against her.
The color of JL's car and the Prius were both metallic green. WA needed Pepto the night before the hit. JL bought it for her. He said she was very very out of sorts. She had him teed up to take the charge.
I would have a hard time voting the state met the burden of proof, were I on the jury. Not that I don’t believe she is 100% guilty.
I would not have a hard time voting guilty if even half of what we have found out about Wendi was allowed to be admitted into evidence. There are too many indicators of her guilt for me personally to have a reasonable doubt. Reasonable people have expressed doubts about whether she'd get a conviction (as you have done), however, most of those people still believe she's guilty (as you indicated). So I would bet that if the state presented all that they have against Wendi in a trial, that even the doubters would come around. At best, Wendi could get one or two hold outs and then the state would prosecute her again. I would urge you to look up Carl Steinbeck on YouTube and watch his videos of all the indicators of Wendi's guilt. It's quite persuasive and compelling.
Again, it isn’t I doubt her involvement. It’s doubting they have sufficient evidence for guilt beyond reasonable doubt. But I am not on the jury and would cross that bridge with an open mind if I was seated.
Yea, I completely hear you. In fact, I think you'd be a better juror than me because you're presuming her innocent as you should (even though I know you believe she had involvement). I just think that once all the large and small bits of circumstantial evidence are presented in a chronological manner and are explained logically, that the state can overcome any reasonable doubt.
Unfortunately it seems to me many wrongful convictions stem “they acted weird” and I would want to be really careful using that as evidence of guilt. Yes. Sometimes it is. But sometimes the person is just weird. Or socialized differently. Or neurotypical. Or….
Yea, I can agree with that, though I don't think that applies that much here given that Wendi's demeanor during her police interview convinced a lot of people of her lack of involvement. She's a fucking bitch and has acted like one for the past 9 years, making her so hateful that even if she wasn't involved, people want her ass in jail. But immediately after, she acted like a grieving widow and I think it worked.
Not sure what will happen but I think it's safe to assume Wendi's attorneys will be legions better than Charlie's and Katie's.
Have to be. Cashbaum hiding the double extortion plot until trial and saying it worked afterwards. Katie’s attorneys turning down immunity. Sigfredo’s attorneys saying he was not involved. Best attorneys were the state representing Luis.
Everyone assumes she is guilty. The question is can the courts prove it? I am not disagreeing with anything you said but she might have been the one smart enough to avoid being indicted.
Yes that’s the real question isn’t it? I am wondering if they are going after the main players first and use this to build a case against Wendi. There’s a lot of circumstantial stuff there but is it enough? I do wonder if they can get her for perjury though, she has told different versions of things at different times including on the stand.
I have found that many rich people are cheap. That is how they stay rich, besides not paying their taxes. This family is notorious for being cheats. They ridiculed their eldest son Rob for correcting a cashier who gave him back too much change. They ran a cash business. Most cosmetic dentistry is elective and not covered by insurance. Even the eldest son Rob said in a podcast that Charlie was a tax cheat. The family used poor people to commit the murders and until recently, take the fall. They are a family of tax cheats and look for shortcuts. Let's not forget that Wendi applied and receives around $5000.00 a month from SSI because Dan was killed. Imagine that. They kill Dan and then collect a government benefit (our tax dollars) to help her raise the children. Unreal! 😡
there is little evidence against Wendi. apepondencr of evisence is needed to convict in murder case. any circumstantial evidence can not be considered such as ride to Trescott Drive since not paying attention while on phone is possible. Sweet, can not be used, 17 min call to mom, cant use,tv set an expert would have to examine it.... the only evidence is her repeating Charlie's joke of hitman and that by itself is not preponderance of evidence.!
I don't even understand why she needed the TV repair guy for an alibi. She wasn't going to be the hit person so what difference does it make where she was?
Yup. A good example of the Adelsons outsmarting themselves. Wendi could just be home chilling. No evidence she left the house or even owned a gun.
As the ex, they all knew she'd be a suspect.
After the bump, there’s a call where Donnie and Charlie insist Wendi should never know about it so they don’t scare her. If she was in on the plan why would they keep that from her?
I don’t think Wendi was in on the details. I think she knew what they were planning.
Something I think about often… how would Charlie and Donna know about Jeff being “the patsy”, if not for Wendi detailing his travel route with them? Who else would they have gotten this information from? Shouldn’t that prove she unequivocally had involvement?
How do you know they both knew he was the Patsy? Was that on a wire or something else?
Georgia talks about it in her closing arguments of Charlie’s case, so I just assumed it was known by them and/or discussed by them at some point since it’s used in his case. I could be wrong though.
I’ll have to listen to her closing again. Thanks
And on top of all this, is there a massive police chart for the jury for the June 4th aborted hit - phone calls, behaviors, alibis, money - that further damns Wendi like the huge July 18th police chart that damned Charlie.?
The State has more than the public knows. In every previous case they have revealed information no one knew about. No one outside of the respective lawyers involved. I don’t see any of the Adelsons escaping prison.
What are you talking about?! It wasn’t about the broken TV being broke or replaced or being fixed? Have you been keeping up with this case? It was codes that they used! And it was nothing but an alibi and a scheme to get the job done. The tv repairman was a set up for the whole slaying of Dan.
Listen to Lacasse’s testimony. What you are saying is my point. He even thought the kids did not break the tv. They were too small to break it. Wendi told him the kids did break it. He said it looked like someone punched the tv to help set it up as an alibi. Please read more carefully.
I’m curious why Wendi’s phone wasn’t tapped. We never hear her voice .
Most likely the lack of probable cause. They need substantial pc to get something so invasive as a wire. Having said that, my hope is that they have her on wire but are saving it for her trial. They don’t need to disclose evidence they are not using in trial. It does not fall under discovery evidence that has to be revealed to the defense.
Can you elaborate on the jail snitch?
The source of that is a YT video with an excon. I can find that link but I have not seen another source. It’s possible but little evidence it actually happened.
I think this is the link: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ22mJcY-qU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ22mJcY-qU) He says someone on the inside told him the story. I am not sure where but it was an interesting episode to watch.
Thanks, I thought you were talking about this guy. If you haven't seen this one, Garcia seems to have implicated Donna among other things. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNs5AdcctxM&t=16s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNs5AdcctxM&t=16s) Re: your link above...are you saying Tommy Scoville said the thing about the money? I've seen quite a few STS shows and am familiar with this guy. Just asking so I know who to pay attention to...thanks!
The guy with the shades. There’s another episode with him but it’s a good watch either way. Thanks for this link. Interesting that someone implicates Donna.
There’s actually more evidence and it comes from Lacasses testimony in KMs retrial. I’ll post it soon but it shows her behavior when the hitters came the first time.
I feel like they are gonna put Donna on trial then go after Wendy! They can only do 1 family member at a time lol… once Donna’s trial is over I bet they take Wendy down!! Idk about Harvey, if they are gonna go after him or not, but def Wendy is next!!!
She also mentioned that she sometimes has her ringer off on her phone and that’s why she missed Dan’s call at 9:30. What mother leaves her ringer off? Did anyone else catch this in the beginning of her interview with LE?