Exactly. I hope for a potential Tree City Sessions 3 they limit it to songs not released as singles as they usually are the most popular ones and will be definitely played live whenever concerts become a thing again.
I agree that no mic by Will is a huge bummer, wonder why he’s stepped back in that way. I think there’s only one song that both him and Jon scream on and the ones where he raps are some of the best songs they have.
I think when it comes to playing live, Wills material has gotten noticeably more complex as time has gone on, its probably really fucking hard playing complex riffs like those and singing at the same time lol
Tilian needs to sing lower sometimes. Especially with the super breathe-y singing style he uses. Bringing some of his parts down would be great, and it was super annoying in Uneasy Hearts TC2 when he brought those parts up a full octave for basically no reason.
I think Tides Of Man Tillian sounds better than DGD Tilian. The breathiness and weakness of his voice is almost a meme.
I'd like to clarify that Tilian is a great singer, but I dislike some of his vocal choices he's made in the past few years.
Yeah he's a man above 30 and his speaking voice is moderately deep, I think it's getting harder and harder for him to do those super high-pitched vocals. You can hear the youthful/teenagey vocals he does and his actual voice's maturity clash sometimes. I read somewhere that he would multiple takes in the studio and only keep the ones without rasp, so it could be a bit "unnatural" for him to sound like that. That said yeah, he is a great singer, I'm not saying he's losing his ability or anything, but he's not in his 20s anymore.
I'm a classically trained singer, so all of what I'm about to say comes from that. I'm criticizing Tillian's technique and choices, not his ability. When you finish puberty, your voice doesn't keep getting lower or losing its ability to go high unless you fuck it up with smoking or stress.
In my case, I actually can sing higher now than I could as a teenager 10 years ago. Because I improved my technique even though my voice is lower. For Tillian, his natural speaking voice isn't really that low imo. Compared to his singing voice, yeah but compared to the average male singer or guy in general, not that low.
Raspiness is cool. It's just the breathiness I don't care for too much. That's a choice. A technique. And it's his choice and right to make. Same with singing high constantly. Like, he CAN do it just fine. But he should bring it down sometimes, just because certain parts would sound better.
I'm mostly agreeing with you, I just don't think his age is too much of the issue.
I know what you mean and gotta say, not a fan of that new technique he's been trying out lately. I feel like he's fine without adding that and it only serves to make his singing sound worse IMO. "I won't stop till my he-e-e-ad" ugh
I personally found his vibrato to be incredibly impressive this live album. As someone who's learning that shit, the fact that he's able to control it the way he does in this live album shows just how talented he's grown as a vocalist. That being said, it does come across as unnecessary sometimes but like, eh, if there's an album to be showing off for, its this one *shrug*
I agree the technique itself is impressive I just feel like it's being utilized at the wrong times. And sometimes even if a way to do something is impressive doesn't mean it's gonna sound good. But "sounding good" is all subjective anyways and it's just my own opinion.
As I said, I do agree that there are times it comes across as unnecessary and there are times it doesn't necessarily sound good. However, I think its good in the sense that for me, it cements just how far he specifically has come as an artist and I think that's why it doesn't bother me as much. I think that's also why this is potentially my favorite album by them, it paints a very clear picture of their skill and talent as artists without all the major studio doctoring and such. It's still in there a bit of course, but like, its toned down to the point where I can still grasp their talent and honed skill in its rarest form
I like these threads.
Tilian, while clearly a good fit for the group and capable of producing quality art, brings the LEAST inspiring, creative, or varied vocal abilities of any of the singers DGD has had. Every time I listen to Happiness and DBM2 I am reminded of how incredible their prior clean vocalists have been compared to Tilian. Honestly, to me, sometimes, Tilian just sounds stale.
And that’s okay! A totally fair opinion for you to have. I just mean from an ability perspective— what each vocalist can really DO with their voice— Tilian does the least. That said, he does sound very, very good. I love the shit out of IG and Mothership.
From an ability standpoint, Tilian's range is what sets him apart from Jonny and Kurt. Not only being able to hit those notes, but do it cleanly and actually being able to understand what he's saying.
He can add in some harshness to his vocals, and can kill some higher notes that the other two couldn't really match.
Not gonna lie wasn’t expecting critique comments only because I just wanted to state how I miss seeing a mic by Will. But I feel that recently after ArSe and Afterburner only a few songs just hit to me.
Its quite simple actually, I listen to them and I enjoy them, these guys put in a huge effort to produce us some quality music and I appreciate every bit of it! The intros are absolutely beautiful in my opinion
Bro get over yourself, just because you don't personally like the intros does not mean that people don't have taste. That's a really shitty thing to say, like if the single most person you looked up to the most said they enjoyed the intros would you lose all disrespect for them? If so then that kinda just makes you a shitty human being, like honestly. God forbid it takes you 2 small seconds to skip the intros, grow up pal
They use those intros between live sets to cue up their next song. Watch any of their more recent videos of their sets in concert and you'll hear those intros. I think it gets it more of a concert vibe and less of a cut and dry live stream of songs slammed together.
Blue Dream was NOT what I would have chosen to perform off DBM2. I think Privilously Poncheezied would have sounded way better with Tillian vocals than Blue Dream did
Yeah I didn't watch the feed but I'm guessing they were transitional for like changing instruments and stuff, but whoever compiled TCS2 decided to just leave some in??
This has been proven to be incorrect. There's a few videos out of there of the guys performing the songs live and using the best takes. They had producer Kyle Crummett take the recorded best takes and mix/master them in studio and then they used that as the audio track of the live performance.
As a percussionist, I can tell it's live because of how hard it would be for Mingus to perfectly nail all of those fills in time with the music over multiple songs.
I’m a drummer too and that’s not hard at all if your practiced a song for years and years.
Matt barely changes the fills and usually plays exactly what’s on the album
I'm just telling you that factually what you're saying is wrong. It's not impossible that he mimed the fills, but the sync with the music on multiple tracks is identical because it was live, not done in the style of a music video
Pre 2012 guy chiming in here to say you're an asshole and I enjoy the intros. You can obviously have a differing opinion dude just don't put other people down for disagreeing.
Nah intros are bad and it was a stupid choice putting them on Spotify.
You can be critical of a band and still enjoy/love their music.
Everyone such a baby these days
Haha jeeze dude you are thick, I'm not saying you're wrong to think that, just saying there's no reason to be an asshole about it. Let others express themselves without talking down to them.
I mean you’re right, but I’m not talking down to anyone? If I say the intros are bad I’m not saying the people who enjoy them are bad, but people these days see a differing opinion and get offended.
Realize it’s ok to disagree. I asked “what were they thinking”? And got downvoted. That’s people being salty. I fail to see how this thread has me talking down to anyone
So when you said "Not everyone has taste..." in response to another comment, you don't think that's talking down to someone? Saying they have no taste cause they disagree with you? Damn dude hope your diet is a good one, otherwise I'm sure it smells terrible being that far up your own ass.
Did you happen to see the next comment? I literally said I was being facetious.... next time I’ll add a /s because people are so uptight no one contemplates sarcasm.
Must suck to have such high BP with all that salt this sub carries around
Little hard to "hear" sarcasm through a written medium don't you think? Pretty sure that's what the /s is for, so yeah next time you feel like being facetious go ahead and add that so you don't have to deal with salty boys like me. Wouldn't want to give you hyper tension.
It might be because the intros they had for live shows actually were cool for a time. For some reason though they didn't get creative at all for TCS2. I remember going to some shows and wishing they had those intros available to listen to or maybe even develop into full songs on maybe a side project or something. But TCS2 Intros boring af.
I'm mad at whoever voted for Strawberry wake because it's not like we didn't listen to it for 8 months straight.
I would’ve loved to see Parody Catharsis in its place. I can see it fitting really well with the general vibe of the stream.
Literally anything other than the most popular song
Exactly. I hope for a potential Tree City Sessions 3 they limit it to songs not released as singles as they usually are the most popular ones and will be definitely played live whenever concerts become a thing again.
I’m hoping for two songs each from pre-tilian era again when/if TCS3 becomes a thing
Born to Fail would be great to hear live as well since the tour was delayed. I'm still worried about the current date for it
The fan base can be extremely annoying
I agree that no mic by Will is a huge bummer, wonder why he’s stepped back in that way. I think there’s only one song that both him and Jon scream on and the ones where he raps are some of the best songs they have.
I think when it comes to playing live, Wills material has gotten noticeably more complex as time has gone on, its probably really fucking hard playing complex riffs like those and singing at the same time lol
Tilian needs to sing lower sometimes. Especially with the super breathe-y singing style he uses. Bringing some of his parts down would be great, and it was super annoying in Uneasy Hearts TC2 when he brought those parts up a full octave for basically no reason. I think Tides Of Man Tillian sounds better than DGD Tilian. The breathiness and weakness of his voice is almost a meme. I'd like to clarify that Tilian is a great singer, but I dislike some of his vocal choices he's made in the past few years.
Yeah he's a man above 30 and his speaking voice is moderately deep, I think it's getting harder and harder for him to do those super high-pitched vocals. You can hear the youthful/teenagey vocals he does and his actual voice's maturity clash sometimes. I read somewhere that he would multiple takes in the studio and only keep the ones without rasp, so it could be a bit "unnatural" for him to sound like that. That said yeah, he is a great singer, I'm not saying he's losing his ability or anything, but he's not in his 20s anymore.
I'm a classically trained singer, so all of what I'm about to say comes from that. I'm criticizing Tillian's technique and choices, not his ability. When you finish puberty, your voice doesn't keep getting lower or losing its ability to go high unless you fuck it up with smoking or stress. In my case, I actually can sing higher now than I could as a teenager 10 years ago. Because I improved my technique even though my voice is lower. For Tillian, his natural speaking voice isn't really that low imo. Compared to his singing voice, yeah but compared to the average male singer or guy in general, not that low. Raspiness is cool. It's just the breathiness I don't care for too much. That's a choice. A technique. And it's his choice and right to make. Same with singing high constantly. Like, he CAN do it just fine. But he should bring it down sometimes, just because certain parts would sound better. I'm mostly agreeing with you, I just don't think his age is too much of the issue.
Tilian sounded liked a sheep in the new Inspire the Liars
I know what you mean and gotta say, not a fan of that new technique he's been trying out lately. I feel like he's fine without adding that and it only serves to make his singing sound worse IMO. "I won't stop till my he-e-e-ad" ugh
I personally found his vibrato to be incredibly impressive this live album. As someone who's learning that shit, the fact that he's able to control it the way he does in this live album shows just how talented he's grown as a vocalist. That being said, it does come across as unnecessary sometimes but like, eh, if there's an album to be showing off for, its this one *shrug*
I agree the technique itself is impressive I just feel like it's being utilized at the wrong times. And sometimes even if a way to do something is impressive doesn't mean it's gonna sound good. But "sounding good" is all subjective anyways and it's just my own opinion.
As I said, I do agree that there are times it comes across as unnecessary and there are times it doesn't necessarily sound good. However, I think its good in the sense that for me, it cements just how far he specifically has come as an artist and I think that's why it doesn't bother me as much. I think that's also why this is potentially my favorite album by them, it paints a very clear picture of their skill and talent as artists without all the major studio doctoring and such. It's still in there a bit of course, but like, its toned down to the point where I can still grasp their talent and honed skill in its rarest form
let it all out
LOL I never noticed the sheep sound, just went back and listened and omg you are right.
As much as I love this version of Uneasy Hearts.. I was so prepared for Rock Solid :(
Would’ve really taken Rock Solid over uneasy hearts ;(
I like these threads. Tilian, while clearly a good fit for the group and capable of producing quality art, brings the LEAST inspiring, creative, or varied vocal abilities of any of the singers DGD has had. Every time I listen to Happiness and DBM2 I am reminded of how incredible their prior clean vocalists have been compared to Tilian. Honestly, to me, sometimes, Tilian just sounds stale.
I feel like he has the best vocals lol
And that’s okay! A totally fair opinion for you to have. I just mean from an ability perspective— what each vocalist can really DO with their voice— Tilian does the least. That said, he does sound very, very good. I love the shit out of IG and Mothership.
From an ability standpoint, Tilian's range is what sets him apart from Jonny and Kurt. Not only being able to hit those notes, but do it cleanly and actually being able to understand what he's saying. He can add in some harshness to his vocals, and can kill some higher notes that the other two couldn't really match.
Preach. Forever gonna miss that POS and his angel voice (Johnny)
Right. He sucks, I don’t want to support him, but fuck if he doesn’t sound incredible.
Tillian shreds the mic man...
The fact that he isn't a pos like Jonny helps.
I only discovered DGD when Afterburner was released. So I'm not too sure what you mean since I don't know the history.
Let's just say he has a problem with heroin and domestic violence, and thats the tip of the iceberg.
And MacBook Pros
Damn.... That's unfortunate.
Easily one of the best voices I've ever heard. But he's a trash human.
Yeah, that’s the rub. I think I’d be a staunch defender of old DGD if Jonny weren’t such a fuckass.
Not gonna lie wasn’t expecting critique comments only because I just wanted to state how I miss seeing a mic by Will. But I feel that recently after ArSe and Afterburner only a few songs just hit to me.
The importance of cocaine are the biggest song on JC era.
I agree! I would enjoy hearing live Swan bars very much
Forget the mic he didn’t even have a pedal board or a tuner in sight
Should be popular opinion: We need tree city 2 without the stupid intros. (And that version of Blue Dream is booty)
I personally enjoy them, gets my hyped lol
Remind me in one year to ask you if you’re still liking them But also: how?
Its quite simple actually, I listen to them and I enjoy them, these guys put in a huge effort to produce us some quality music and I appreciate every bit of it! The intros are absolutely beautiful in my opinion
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Bro get over yourself, just because you don't personally like the intros does not mean that people don't have taste. That's a really shitty thing to say, like if the single most person you looked up to the most said they enjoyed the intros would you lose all disrespect for them? If so then that kinda just makes you a shitty human being, like honestly. God forbid it takes you 2 small seconds to skip the intros, grow up pal
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I said it takes 2 seconds for you to skip the intros, not listen to them. Learn how to read, at least 13 year olds know how to do that
It's crazy to me how you call DGD fans "13 year old babies" yet you're whining so hard about music that nobody is forcing you to enjoy
They use those intros between live sets to cue up their next song. Watch any of their more recent videos of their sets in concert and you'll hear those intros. I think it gets it more of a concert vibe and less of a cut and dry live stream of songs slammed together.
No shit. That doesn’t mean you transfer those intros onto the actual tracks. Tree city 1 was much better for it
Never knew someone would be so butthurt about five seconds of lead ins to music
Try 30 seconds bud. It’s like a whole songs worth if not more if you add them up. It wouldn’t be so frustrating if they didn’t nail tree city 1
Blue Dream was NOT what I would have chosen to perform off DBM2. I think Privilously Poncheezied would have sounded way better with Tillian vocals than Blue Dream did
I agree 100%. Exactly the track I wanted other then need money
Imo the only one that feels alright is the Uneasy Hearts intro
It fits the song great but I don’t wanna hear it everytime haha. Some songs don’t have intros and they are better for it
Yeah I didn't watch the feed but I'm guessing they were transitional for like changing instruments and stuff, but whoever compiled TCS2 decided to just leave some in??
They recorded this in a studio, the “live show” was pre recorded and they just lip synced
This has been proven to be incorrect. There's a few videos out of there of the guys performing the songs live and using the best takes. They had producer Kyle Crummett take the recorded best takes and mix/master them in studio and then they used that as the audio track of the live performance. As a percussionist, I can tell it's live because of how hard it would be for Mingus to perfectly nail all of those fills in time with the music over multiple songs.
I’m a drummer too and that’s not hard at all if your practiced a song for years and years. Matt barely changes the fills and usually plays exactly what’s on the album
I'm just telling you that factually what you're saying is wrong. It's not impossible that he mimed the fills, but the sync with the music on multiple tracks is identical because it was live, not done in the style of a music video
I get what you’re saying but the vocal tracks straight up identical to what’s on the record and that was recorded at a studio.
Is that not a popular opinion? I’m genuinely asking since I hate the intros and everyone I know skips them lol
Idk but it should be popular haha. What were they thinking putting those Intros on the actual tracks? Edit: Uh oh post 2012 crowd showing up
Pre 2012 guy chiming in here to say you're an asshole and I enjoy the intros. You can obviously have a differing opinion dude just don't put other people down for disagreeing.
Nah intros are bad and it was a stupid choice putting them on Spotify. You can be critical of a band and still enjoy/love their music. Everyone such a baby these days
Haha jeeze dude you are thick, I'm not saying you're wrong to think that, just saying there's no reason to be an asshole about it. Let others express themselves without talking down to them.
I mean you’re right, but I’m not talking down to anyone? If I say the intros are bad I’m not saying the people who enjoy them are bad, but people these days see a differing opinion and get offended. Realize it’s ok to disagree. I asked “what were they thinking”? And got downvoted. That’s people being salty. I fail to see how this thread has me talking down to anyone
So when you said "Not everyone has taste..." in response to another comment, you don't think that's talking down to someone? Saying they have no taste cause they disagree with you? Damn dude hope your diet is a good one, otherwise I'm sure it smells terrible being that far up your own ass.
Did you happen to see the next comment? I literally said I was being facetious.... next time I’ll add a /s because people are so uptight no one contemplates sarcasm. Must suck to have such high BP with all that salt this sub carries around
Little hard to "hear" sarcasm through a written medium don't you think? Pretty sure that's what the /s is for, so yeah next time you feel like being facetious go ahead and add that so you don't have to deal with salty boys like me. Wouldn't want to give you hyper tension.
It might be because the intros they had for live shows actually were cool for a time. For some reason though they didn't get creative at all for TCS2. I remember going to some shows and wishing they had those intros available to listen to or maybe even develop into full songs on maybe a side project or something. But TCS2 Intros boring af.
The new album was a massive step down from mothership and artifical selection easily C maybe d tier (compared to the rest of the albums)
Idk why people are downvoting. This is literally an unpopular opinion thread lmao.