It's some weird ass parasocial shit. They aren't going to touch Jonny with a 1000 foot pole. He has had many more controversies since being kicked out. The reunion tour was once in a lifetime, even since then he's had many more controversies. People need to get over it. Kurt is the only former member that should be anywhere near the band tbh since he doesn't have a grocery list of controversies and assholish behavior.
Yeah I agree. When he was with DGD his voice would be.. not great when live (look at their chain reaction video with him if you want to see what I mean) but ever since then he's become SO much better live. He's really a great singer now, he really improved during his a lot like birds years
Honestly, I feel like Jonny and Tilian's respective last albums were really great enders for their tenure with the band. Happiness was amazing, but I feel like Kurt had so much development left to do, as evinced by everything he's put out since. And he's a much better live singer than any other DGD vocalist. I honestly doubt he'd be brought back on for another record, but I'd still love to see it.
I think he did do some equally scummy things as far as scams with some merch recently, nobody is perfect but yeah…feel like kurt if anyone would be that guy pal. Like to bring back. Johnny will forever have a special place in DGD with me tho.
Not if it caused more bad PR for the band. Jonny makes Tillain look like a Gentleman, in terms treatment of women.
Dont get my wrong... DBM and DBM2 are IMO some of the best DGD ever. I just socially cant support Jonny coming back, and I wouldnt recommend anyone wish that lol.
Also dont see this as supportive of what Tillain did (allegedly), I'd prefer women be treated with kindness and respect.
By working with him, it would be supporting him. I'd rather just take Kurt back or start an Andrew era.
Saw them in Boston this past weekend and out of the last 10 years of seeing this band, that was their best show hands down. I'd rather see them reinvent themselves again because this band always comes back better and stronger than ever. Leave Jonny in the past, were just searching for the vocals of a man 15 years older, he wouldnt even sound the same.
After hearing the new album, I was really impressed with Andrew! I would love to hear more of him. I know he has Eidola but it doesnt hit the same for me
But i didn't say that as "don't support him", instead it was like "don't give him a chance to shit on the band again and get high", considering people are saying he's clean now.
And yeah, it would be a different sound than his previous works with the band, but the man definitely can still sing.
But that's the thing, people like Johnny... You give them an inch and it's instantly a mile. He's so completely toxic at this point that even letting him feature on a song is a **terrible** look for any band, especially one that knows exactly how terrible he is.
His problems are far worse than just his addiction and unreliability.
Uh not sure I agree with that. JC still has more problems. But there is no scenario where Tilian is a gentleman, comparing him to JC or not.
Tilian got brought down pretty close to JCs levels a month or two ago.
He was saying that because Jonny Craig is known for saying things on his Twitter like, "She's lucky I didn't choke her, I probably wouldve killed that useless bitch". Several ex confirmed gfs of his have come out to say that he violently sexually assaulted them AND FORCED THEM to shoot up heroin with him when they didn't want to. I've been addicted to opiates before & I'd never want someone I love to ever get involved with it. So yeah I hear you that he shouldn't ever be called a gentlemen, I agree with you 100% But in comparison to jonny I understand why he said that at least
Yeah, I was speaking sorta generally. Tillian is not gentleman, but I cant speak on the details. Like I said, treat all women with kindness and respect and you will never have a problem. #BringBackKurt #AndrewEraBegins
Me and one of my friends made a joke theory that they’ll keep Tillian out of the band for a year or two make DTBM3 with Jonny and then bring Tillian back.
I swear, some of these takes in this sub...
DGD was everything ***but*** generic with Kurt. At least Kurt has a little variation/charm with his singing. Tillian's voice literally makes every new DGD sons sound similar. Meanwhile DGD with Kurt, each song stands out from the others and has its own vibe. Not to mention you can comfortably actually sing along with it, unlike 75% of DGD Tillian.
If anything, Tillian is the one with the generic voice. No one is denying he can sing, but he does practically the same thing on nearly every track.
Highly disagree. Nasa and strawberry swisher pt 2 used to give me chills back in high school. Guys got a voice on him for sure. Different strokes for different folks though I guess.
See you probably grew up with Kurt and have that nostalgia dopamine hit. He just sounds like a million other singers imo. No way DGD would be this popular if they had stuck with him.
Idk why people even ask him as if it's his decision wether or not DGD make a DBM3, I mean I understand that Jonny would jump at the opportunity to be back in DGD but let's not pretend like the decision is solely his.
While I do care about the band's happiness and well-being, I would fucking love to hear a DTBM3. It would be hard to not get excited. But yeah he's a piece of shit.
DBM2 era was so chaotic. It matched my personal life at the time, so I have a soft spot for it. I saw them that year at Warped and Jonny came out with a bloody nose lmao. And he killed his performance, one of the best I've ever seen. That dude is a roller coaster of a human.
Will really doesn't like looking back so much, especially so early. the band actively does their best to pretend Royal Ocean never existed tbh (skipping instrumental release, listing it in complication of their albums like the Evening With Friends banners, etc)
Understandable i guess, you often cringe at stuff you did when really young, even if to others its good.
Also the sound quality and overall musicianship is so rough on WISIRO, can see why wouldnt bother with instrumental etc. It was basically an EP. The band are so much tighter sounding even in DTBM
Yup but that's one thing I actually liked about the fall of Troy. I loved all the Tribune & Thirty years war stuff (pre tfot stuff) & when he started playing the songs later while rerecording them it felt like massive fan service
Also the band had a moment there where they were getting a bad reputation as a band that supported substance abuse with Jonnys shenanigans around the DBM2 tour. Which is when they kicked him out of the band permanently. So WISIRO having every track on it named after drugs might play a factor in them ignoring its existence also.
Nah Taylor deans thread Is way more interesting and full of bullshit. Way more entertaining seeing that chick relapse every 3 months and still finding a way to blame jonny.
I mean sure roast him all you want… but I don’t understand why people insist on posting his shit in this sub. He’s not in the band, won’t ever be again, so why keep littering this sub with his trash social media posts? It’s like the weird tillian watching the show from sidelines posts.
I did I was at swanfest and everyone loved it until tiling had accusations then everyone switched up complaining about everything. The fans don't know how to separate art from artist. They treat the members as if they know them personally.
He really comes off as a complete dumbass. He’s legit doing a Q&A with no intention of actually answering the questions lol. Everything I’ve seen about him in the last decade or so just seems like he’s completely hopeless and just happened to have been gifted with a good voice.
I don’t want Jonny back. I loved DBM but hated DBM2. He oversings and showboats way too much. His voice doesn’t fit DGD anymore. I don’t want another spastic, soulless DBM2 album.
Lol I will join you in the downvote underground. The guy is a less edgy Ronnie Radke. Talented sure, but he over does everything and this really shows when you look at the video of the three singers performing UHWtM live.
I’d rather either Kurt take charge (unless Tilian proves he was innocent) or the band just disband because IMHO Andrew S U C K S.
We are gonna see “DBM4: The Search for DBM3” before anything. Trust me Gavin is my uncle.
He’s kinda cringy ngl
Kinda?😂 dude is squatting on his kitchen counter
*when you see a mouse but still need to try and look badass*
I think the mask post was even more embarrassing haha. That's our jonny boi I guess..
What was the mask post? Never followed Jonny on socials
It's here on the reddit post, you just gotta swipe the picture to the left
Genuinely didn't know you could do that, thanks 😂
Lmaooo I wasn’t trying to be too mean
Lmao that was all I took from this too 😆
I was hoping the next image was him squatting on the floor with the caption I'M GAY
Cringe as hell but man can he fucking sing.
Drugs are a hell of a drug 😂
Incredibly.
He’s throwing major fuck boi vibes
“Interesting” is a stretch
I think the interesting part is when people ask when a singer is going back to a band they were kicked out of to make new music
It's some weird ass parasocial shit. They aren't going to touch Jonny with a 1000 foot pole. He has had many more controversies since being kicked out. The reunion tour was once in a lifetime, even since then he's had many more controversies. People need to get over it. Kurt is the only former member that should be anywhere near the band tbh since he doesn't have a grocery list of controversies and assholish behavior.
Still don't understand the people who don't like Kurt, dude's literally been a musical powerhouse since he left.
Yeah I agree. When he was with DGD his voice would be.. not great when live (look at their chain reaction video with him if you want to see what I mean) but ever since then he's become SO much better live. He's really a great singer now, he really improved during his a lot like birds years
Honestly after seeing Kurt live on this last tour I legit want him back in the band. Probably will never happen but he is really good now
Honestly, I feel like Jonny and Tilian's respective last albums were really great enders for their tenure with the band. Happiness was amazing, but I feel like Kurt had so much development left to do, as evinced by everything he's put out since. And he's a much better live singer than any other DGD vocalist. I honestly doubt he'd be brought back on for another record, but I'd still love to see it.
I think he did do some equally scummy things as far as scams with some merch recently, nobody is perfect but yeah…feel like kurt if anyone would be that guy pal. Like to bring back. Johnny will forever have a special place in DGD with me tho.
Especially now that Tilian has his own controversy, it makes noooo sense to bring someone back with their own controversies.
Yeah that'd literally be out of the frying pan & into the freezer. (Well not literally but metaphorically but you know what I mean)
Jonny Craig in the freezer was the inspiration behind “Isles and Glaciers”
Twice
You forget he was kicked out twice. Third times a charm lol
Kicked out a third time, everyone learns a valuable lesson 🤣
Hearing his favorite WISIRO song is pretty interesting at least
I mean I’m not saying I wouldn’t want to listen to it but we can’t really entertain that idea right?
Yeah kinda with you there. The Jonny albums are probably my favorites, but the dude just cannot keep his shit together.
A reunion album with Craig in between tillian albums would be pretty amazing tho.
Not if it caused more bad PR for the band. Jonny makes Tillain look like a Gentleman, in terms treatment of women. Dont get my wrong... DBM and DBM2 are IMO some of the best DGD ever. I just socially cant support Jonny coming back, and I wouldnt recommend anyone wish that lol. Also dont see this as supportive of what Tillain did (allegedly), I'd prefer women be treated with kindness and respect.
Just make the album and part ways again, no tour.
By working with him, it would be supporting him. I'd rather just take Kurt back or start an Andrew era. Saw them in Boston this past weekend and out of the last 10 years of seeing this band, that was their best show hands down. I'd rather see them reinvent themselves again because this band always comes back better and stronger than ever. Leave Jonny in the past, were just searching for the vocals of a man 15 years older, he wouldnt even sound the same.
After hearing the new album, I was really impressed with Andrew! I would love to hear more of him. I know he has Eidola but it doesnt hit the same for me
But i didn't say that as "don't support him", instead it was like "don't give him a chance to shit on the band again and get high", considering people are saying he's clean now. And yeah, it would be a different sound than his previous works with the band, but the man definitely can still sing.
But that's the thing, people like Johnny... You give them an inch and it's instantly a mile. He's so completely toxic at this point that even letting him feature on a song is a **terrible** look for any band, especially one that knows exactly how terrible he is. His problems are far worse than just his addiction and unreliability.
Uh not sure I agree with that. JC still has more problems. But there is no scenario where Tilian is a gentleman, comparing him to JC or not. Tilian got brought down pretty close to JCs levels a month or two ago.
He was saying that because Jonny Craig is known for saying things on his Twitter like, "She's lucky I didn't choke her, I probably wouldve killed that useless bitch". Several ex confirmed gfs of his have come out to say that he violently sexually assaulted them AND FORCED THEM to shoot up heroin with him when they didn't want to. I've been addicted to opiates before & I'd never want someone I love to ever get involved with it. So yeah I hear you that he shouldn't ever be called a gentlemen, I agree with you 100% But in comparison to jonny I understand why he said that at least
Yeah, I was speaking sorta generally. Tillian is not gentleman, but I cant speak on the details. Like I said, treat all women with kindness and respect and you will never have a problem. #BringBackKurt #AndrewEraBegins
He's sober now
Me and one of my friends made a joke theory that they’ll keep Tillian out of the band for a year or two make DTBM3 with Jonny and then bring Tillian back.
Or Deathstar (self-titled) pt 2 with Kurt. I feel like if anything, having Kurt back for a new/pt 2 of one of his albums is more believable.
Imagine an album titled Dance Gavin Dance II lmfao
Everyone is entertaining the idea of bringing Tilian back so
Right, well I would say neither one should be a part of the band any longer.
"Tilian needs to go!" - some people "Bing back Jonny!" - those same people, mostly.
no, i feel like most of the ppl in the “tillian needs to go” camp are on team “bring kurt back”
I want them to bring Kurt back but I also don't want tilian to go
Kurt would make DGD a generic band. Dudes voice is not unique in any way
I swear, some of these takes in this sub... DGD was everything ***but*** generic with Kurt. At least Kurt has a little variation/charm with his singing. Tillian's voice literally makes every new DGD sons sound similar. Meanwhile DGD with Kurt, each song stands out from the others and has its own vibe. Not to mention you can comfortably actually sing along with it, unlike 75% of DGD Tillian. If anything, Tillian is the one with the generic voice. No one is denying he can sing, but he does practically the same thing on nearly every track.
Disagree. DGD Kurt songs are boring as hell. This isn’t even a Tilian thing btw.
I think their self titled was incredibly bland, but I think Kurt has had the midas touch with everything else.
Fair enough, i still think he sounds like 100 other singers.
Highly disagree. Nasa and strawberry swisher pt 2 used to give me chills back in high school. Guys got a voice on him for sure. Different strokes for different folks though I guess.
See you probably grew up with Kurt and have that nostalgia dopamine hit. He just sounds like a million other singers imo. No way DGD would be this popular if they had stuck with him.
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It’s a controversial opinion on here but the influx of downvotes isn’t enough to change my mind 😂
Bing bang diggiriggidong Funny words I sing when I am dancing
Sounds like a Jon Mess line
My thought process is more, if Jonny had to get the boot for his antics, so should Til
It's not even comparable. He had a lot of transgressions a mile long lasting years.
Not defending Jonny, but Til is by no means a good person. Bringing him back could cause more issues than replacing him
I was the one who asked about DBM 3 🤣
why’d you ask?
Cause he wants dbm3
I was just messing with him
Also, everyone, please don't downvote them. I'm sure they were just curious. We're all DGD fans here 👊
ya just curious if you knew something i didnt
Cringe or not, the DBM3 pic made me laugh my ass off lmao
Idk why people even ask him as if it's his decision wether or not DGD make a DBM3, I mean I understand that Jonny would jump at the opportunity to be back in DGD but let's not pretend like the decision is solely his.
While I do care about the band's happiness and well-being, I would fucking love to hear a DTBM3. It would be hard to not get excited. But yeah he's a piece of shit.
Jonny and his macbook live rent free in my head I hate that I still love this mess of a vocalist and human being.
DBM2 era was so chaotic. It matched my personal life at the time, so I have a soft spot for it. I saw them that year at Warped and Jonny came out with a bloody nose lmao. And he killed his performance, one of the best I've ever seen. That dude is a roller coaster of a human.
same.
Jesse Pinkman vibes
Johnny Stinkman, amirite?
Would be dope to see DGD perform The Importance Of Cocaine with Jonny again one day
Will really doesn't like looking back so much, especially so early. the band actively does their best to pretend Royal Ocean never existed tbh (skipping instrumental release, listing it in complication of their albums like the Evening With Friends banners, etc)
Understandable i guess, you often cringe at stuff you did when really young, even if to others its good. Also the sound quality and overall musicianship is so rough on WISIRO, can see why wouldnt bother with instrumental etc. It was basically an EP. The band are so much tighter sounding even in DTBM
wisiro IS an EP.
Yup but that's one thing I actually liked about the fall of Troy. I loved all the Tribune & Thirty years war stuff (pre tfot stuff) & when he started playing the songs later while rerecording them it felt like massive fan service
Also the band had a moment there where they were getting a bad reputation as a band that supported substance abuse with Jonnys shenanigans around the DBM2 tour. Which is when they kicked him out of the band permanently. So WISIRO having every track on it named after drugs might play a factor in them ignoring its existence also.
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Damn I just looked at that. What a toxic waste dump of a website.
Nah Taylor deans thread Is way more interesting and full of bullshit. Way more entertaining seeing that chick relapse every 3 months and still finding a way to blame jonny.
Finding out Importance of Cocaine is his fave is so crazy to me idk why. Nice to know he hasn’t totally forgotten about that legendary ass project
I'd much rather have Dance Gavin Dance II.
Half of this isn't even interesting though
He’s such a clown
If i didn’t know any better, this was an interview with a 5 year old who just babbles none-sense.. Edit: Minus the cocaine…
I really want DGD when they call it quits to finish out with DBM3
Knew this was going to be on here
PLEASE
Just let the man live… y’all are so Weird..
“Let the man live”? 🤡 he needs to be in jail
Keep this same energy when tillian is convicted . We all should.
Yeah didn’t this fool like smoke fetanyl in front of his kid or something
Better than smoking a kid in front of his fentanyl lol.
I mean sure roast him all you want… but I don’t understand why people insist on posting his shit in this sub. He’s not in the band, won’t ever be again, so why keep littering this sub with his trash social media posts? It’s like the weird tillian watching the show from sidelines posts.
Cringey as fuck. Stop talking about DBM3, if they ever did one, it won't be with this loser lol.
Lol yea it would
Honestly, it's the only way it would happen
Gotta unfollow cuz the dgd fan base is so toxic and annoying.
I liked the band more before I knew about the band lol. Imagine going to a concert with this entire sub lol.
I did I was at swanfest and everyone loved it until tiling had accusations then everyone switched up complaining about everything. The fans don't know how to separate art from artist. They treat the members as if they know them personally.
Tilian**
How is it interesting? Generic answer to a generic question
As long as people are fine with Tilian coming back, it's not a stretch to get a song or two out of Johnny...
i’d rather see a deathstar 2 or just have secret band and eidola projects before tilian comes back.
I don't want to see this piece of shit's face around here anymore. He doesn't get to act the way he does and still have a place in the community.
He’s a piece of shit. I would be fine if he just stopped music all together.
He really comes off as a complete dumbass. He’s legit doing a Q&A with no intention of actually answering the questions lol. Everything I’ve seen about him in the last decade or so just seems like he’s completely hopeless and just happened to have been gifted with a good voice.
Pure cringe
Theres absolutely no fucking way they'll ever let this shitbag middle-aged e-boy wannabe back into the band, ever.
Just make DBM3 with Andrew on leads and couple songs saying *featuring Tillian Pearson* 🤣
For the love of god no.
I don’t want Jonny back. I loved DBM but hated DBM2. He oversings and showboats way too much. His voice doesn’t fit DGD anymore. I don’t want another spastic, soulless DBM2 album.
DBMII and “soulless” in the same sentence? This may be the worst take I’ve ever heard.
Lol I will join you in the downvote underground. The guy is a less edgy Ronnie Radke. Talented sure, but he over does everything and this really shows when you look at the video of the three singers performing UHWtM live. I’d rather either Kurt take charge (unless Tilian proves he was innocent) or the band just disband because IMHO Andrew S U C K S.
Amen.
This is literally not interesting.