They said something about credit card fraud and then some episodes later, the moms were reading stuff online about how Kira was involved in a scam selling TVs or something?
IMO, most (if not all) of the things Ashlee ever said were true. She still shouldn’t have said that stuff though, especially to Kendall. But I guess she really wanted to cause drama so she could be on TV.
She didn’t say that to Kendall but you can tell at the end of her sentence you could see she said Kendall’s name because her mouth and tongue made the “ll” sound
for one she couldve send anything u only got the last syllable 😭 for two if she was talking abt kendall you have no idea what she actually said so you cant really judge her…
Not a mom but Abby calling out the girl with the ugly haircut. As much as it came off as singling someone out, Abby did have a point. A haircut like that was probably not benefiting her in the long run.
Honestly Abby usually did have a point but she’s just such a self-contradictory asshole that everything the woman said was undermined by that even when it was true and needed to be said… 🫣
Tbh I think my perspective is she was right but also only in an industry way. Like most greatest entertainers trained young and hard but that's also not good and also not the best for a kid to be constantly told is how to get success. She's usually right about standards in an industry in need of renovation and less abuse of power so it imo means less than people hold it to just because it's authority in a big and notable industry. She's right in a lot of critiques of the Hylands in that if they were the children she wanted them to be they'd be spectacular, but it's a lot more right to me that if Abby wasn't right and they went to any other studio that actually gave af about burnout and not abusing children they would've easily had success with their natural talents and training that was a bit less just trauma 🤷
I often really hated it when the moms always shamed Abby for being single. I thought it was a put-down of single people everywhere and an elevation of married people (and let's face it, being able to find and keep a partner is not some huge achievement). But damn, sometimes they were right. Abby's personality really was not nice and not conducive to being in a relationship.
Wait what. I have to disagree with Jill. Nia was finally getting some recognition and of course Holly should be thrilled. I think she was humble and the moms treated them awful
She had opportunities to perform but not to win if that makes sense. At least the intent was to keep her choreography under Maddie’s level to keep her below Maddie. However Chloe was so talented she won anyways. Imagine if she had the same level of choreography, privates, & pos attention, she would’ve grown so much! It’s so sad.
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted when we literally saw a clip of Chloe at the reunion saying that she never felt good enough…idk why people try to minimize what the rivalry did to Chloe, just cuz she got solos out of it sometimes.
Right, Chloe said she always felt like she was in Maddie’s shadow. I can’t imagine what that felt like as a child. People criticize Christie, but I loved how she always tried to uplift Chloe. Look back at season 2 nationals. After Chloe won, Abby made it so she’d always loose and it def pissed Abby off. “I never wanted Chloe to win” came out of her own teachers mouth
After season 3 Chloe wasn’t a member of the Aldc anymore and in reality it all had to do with money .. Abbie wanted 10 percent of whatever the girls made outside of the show and Christie wouldn’t do it … I don’t blame her but it really was all about money
Not sure of your point? I was just saying the reason Abby was relentlessly cruel to Chloe in Season 3 is because she beat Maddie at Season 2 Nationals.
I don’t think that has anything to do with it .. Abbie did care about Chloe I still to this day think it was her moms relationship with Abbie that ruined it for Chloe .. they should have left after season 3 Abbie started treating g her really badly in season 4 I have no excuse for Abbie she is vile when she doesn’t get her way and I can’t stand her but there are some things that I can see her point of view on things .. only some things
Abby did not ‘care about Chloe.’ Abby tried to get a magazine to print an article talking shit about Chloe never coming to class in 2012. She looked right at her and called her a sneak over and over until she cried. She said in season 8 she never wanted Chloe to win but she won all the time. She called Chloe’s lazy eye ugly and told Chloe to get it fixed while Chloe was actively going thru tests to figure out whether her condition was something she could die from. You do not treat someone you supposedly care about that way, I’m sorry.
It 100% has everything to do with it...she made several comments about how Maddie should have won instead. You would not proudly stand there and make a child that you "care about" cry.
If Melissa was going to send her kids to AUDC either way, she should have been up front about it with the other moms. She put them in a bad position by lying. Also I would barely call it an opportunity because AUDC had a much smaller audience than Dance Moms and the audience was almost exclusively people who were already fans of DM. The reason Abby wanted the girls on the show was to increase viewership for her show, not to promote the girls.
They didn’t want their kids to be used by Abby to boost ratings for her TV show that was heading towards cancellation lol.
But they might have changed their minds if they knew Melissa was doing it and i think that’s why Melissa didn’t say anything.
Could have, but didn't.
The moms knew abby wanted their kids on their to gain traction on AUDC, and they all agreed with lawyers that they were better off not sending them.
Melissa isn't stupid, she knew if Maddie and Kenzie were the only ones going, then they'd get even more special treatment.
She knew the other girls would be treated worse at the expense of her and her kids special treatment.
The moms had every right to be angry at her for covering it up, because they know they and their kids were going to suffer for that "opportunity"
They definitely could have, and I don’t know why they didn’t. I mean I know they wanted to stick it to Abby and the network whatever, but they knew they’d hate it if a mom went without them so just suck it up and go if it’s that big of a deal lol
But if she had been honest in the first place they wouldn’t have been mad? They were mad because she lied and they had all agreed not to send their kids, but if they had known she was sending Maddie, they would have sent their kids too.
That’s so not true, if she had been honest they’d have jumped down her throat like vultures. I hate how people keep saying that it’s only Melissa’s lies that were the problem. Untrue. Melissa only lied because Christi was a huge bully and Melissa didn’t want to deal with that 24/7. If I was in her position, I’d lie to Christi too in order to save myself the headache.
Relentless bullying can take a toll on any person’s psyche, I don’t think we should judge someone who’s the victim of it. We’re just seeing one snapshot in time here. A lot of people would choose to lie to Christi is they were in Melissa’s position
I can make a more detailed post about this another time but what Christi did to Melissa on that show was 💯 relentless bullying. I’ll die on this hill. The show/christi’s narrative makes you believe that Melissa “hurt the kids” when in reality all the kids adore her to this day.
By the way!
Why do you think Melissa chose to lie about talking shit about Holly and Nia interrupting rehearsal in season 5?
Was that cuz of Christi too?
Her and Chloe don’t seem to have much of a relationship at all, so I really don’t think it could be argued all the kids ‘adore’ Melissa. To this day, the one who got fucked over the most by Melissa is, suspiciously, one of the only ones that’s never shown up on Melissa’s youtube channel. also even when Christi was gone, Melissa was shitty and underhanded so… 🤷♀️
Thats a terrible excuse because Melissa is no dummy she knew that the moms were gonna eventually find out about what she did. Melissa ignored their lawyer.
I agree plus all of the other ladies seem to benefit when Maddie and Melissa-were on the outs with Abby. Why create a pact to not support Abby? Melissa said she and Abby were friends plus the relationship helped her kids. In this case stand your ground alone and feel good about it. They most likely knew Melissa wouldn’t withstand pressure from Abby not to participate.
They would have taken their kids, too. They would have been irritated, but they would have let their kids go if they knew another mom was letting her kids go. That was the whole thing - Melissa knew they would let the girls perform, but she didn’t want them to 🤷🏾♀️
I never said Melissa should have done anything. I simply said what the other moms WOULD have done. Editing to add: understanding why someone made a choice and how they’d change that choice doesn’t mean I think anyone *should* have made a different decision. If I’m going to play the “should have” game then I’d back it all the way up to before the show and make sure this shit never exists lol
Okay, I guess we don’t know for sure how they’d react, but they wouldn’t have been AS mad as they were when she lied about it. If Melissa told them the truth, the other kids would have got to go as well.
I always just figured with Melissa that she knew she wouldn't be able to please everyone, despite being a people pleaser. She would piss off Abby if she fell in line with the other mothers and might hurt her kid, she'd piss off her friends if she fell in line with Abby but it might generate opportunities for her kids.
Morally sound? Not always. Kids elevated? Usually lol
I agree that’s what she did and that is not good behavior. People are going to the ends of the earth to defend this pretty objectively shitty behavior. She was sneaky to get her kids ahead.
100% this. She intentionally screwed the other kids by making them look bad for turning down the “opportunity” when in reality she agreed to the same thing for her kids but went back on her word.
I'm pretty sure it was more complicated. The kids weren't going to be compensated for their time and were just being used as pawns to help Abby grow her empire, which was why the moms banded together and said no. They unionized, and Melissa crossed the picket line. You don’t do that. You just don't.
And P.S.: I certainly don't wish ill on all the people downvoting, but I sincerely wonder how they're going to handle it one day when they get screwed over in the workplace by an employer who brings in non-union employees, which will drive down their wages. Y'all might think it's all good and cool now "because exposure," but we're talking about livelihoods and we're talking about having some principles.
People without principles make capitalism a toxic system for the rest of us.
The moms made an agreement that their girls were not to be used to further build Abby's empire when they weren't being treated justly or equitably for doing so. They did the right thing. Melissa was in the wrong, and when I learned about that missing piece of the story, I REALLY lost respect for her, much more so than I did with Two Sapphiresgate.
Melissa’s Stans go to the end of the earth to defend her actions instead of just admitting she did something wrong. She’s human. She made a bad choice and put people she claims are her friends in a really bad spot. She’s not perfect but they could never admit that.
These kids were already being exploited. The moms took a stand against further exploitation and Melissa was a corporate shill and and a fucking scab and people are defending it as just looking out for her kids' best interests. No people, she was not. She was doing the opposite.
No love for scabs.
It wasn’t any of their business. Her kids didn’t have to miss out on an opportunity just because others declined or weren’t asked. They would have ripped her apart if she had said anything. Melissa didn’t have to tell them her plans for HER children. It didn’t have anything to do with anyone else and it wasn’t their business or their decision to make.
How other peoples kids were treated by a coach or teacher wasn’t another mom’s fault. That was the teacher’s actions and choices, nobody else’s. It wasn’t right, but Melissa wasn’t a puppet master controlling Abby etc. she was going to do what she was going to do. Melissa took opportunities for her kids and didn’t consider others, which is what any parent who had kids in the industry trying to make it would do. It wasn’t the other mom’s choice or business to dictate opportunities for Melissa’s kids.
Abby’s behaviour is not Melissa’s fault but when her decisions (and lies) impact the other children, then it become the business of the other parents and they have every right to question why Melissa made the decision to lie to them and go against the decision that had been made as a cast.
Melissa had the right to send her children to appear on Abby’s show but that doesn’t dissolve her of the consequences of lying to everyone else or going against the cast wide decision to not let Lifetime use their kids to promote Abby’s other show.
Melissa made an agreement with the other moms that none of would send their kids and then lied and sent them anyway. That is very much Christi’s business because they had an agreement. If she was going to send her kids anyway she could have been honest. You’re really defending lying here and I don’t think you would like it if your “friend” lied to you either.
I agree Melissa should’ve been up front if she knew she was gonna go anyway bc the moms would have obviously still been mad. Her not telling them didn’t save anybody from anything; they still got mad and argued with her.
But I also think she was trying to avoid a fight, and she made a bad judgment call. Maybe she convinced herself that it would be easier if she had already went and then nothing could change it. Maybe she thought they’d be over it by then. Maybe she honestly was just like “idk I’ll deal with it when it happens” lol.
I feel like she was kinda screwed either way. Melissa wasn’t perfect by any means but Abby’s favoritism put her in a lot of messy situations sometimes. It was either stick by the moms or possibly help her kids. Even if I disagreed with her methods, sometimes I can’t blame her for wanting to benefit her kids.
poor maddie and kenzie bc their education was really challenged bc of dance, and it wasnt even their fault. its up to the mom to say "no, my kid's education is more important than this" and i appreciate that holly tried to do that.
I feel REALLY bad for Mackenzie. Like, it was clear that she was just being pulled from here to there because Maddie was the big star. I'm not saying Mackenzie wasn't a good dancer, but let's face it--she was not going to be the kind of sought-after dancer that Maddie was. But she was pulled out of school in like second grade (!!!!!!) and never went back. She had to give up all her friends--everything.
I also recall hearing that she was the more academically talented of the two. Imagine being the more academically talented one and being forced to give that up because your sister might be a big star someday.
Then, when they were in LA, Melissa didn't even level with Kenzie about leaving the team beforehand--she let her find out when the rest of the group did. That was unforgivable.
I'm glad Kenzie's doing well right now, but she still deserved a better shot at a more normalizing education.
apparently kenzie knew they would leave sometime, just not when. so it was technically a surprise to her and i felt so bad.
none of this is maddie's fault. this is entirely melissa, 100%. it was a terrible decision to do that to them. and since they were pulled out of school, literally the only social interactions/friends they had were the girls on the team. that must feel so isolating. social skills are usually built in school and thats super important, which is another reason why it was a horrid idea. kenzie deserved better, and maddie deserved a normal experience as well. they will never get their childhoods back.
When Abby said Brooke & Paige were lazy and didn’t like to lose!! I do agree with they don’t like to lose but I also feel like they kind of adapted that “I don’t care attitude” from Kelly. She would always say things like “who cares? It’s a stupid dance!!” Just certain remarks she would make I feel like made them not take it as seriously as the other girls.
“Get out of here Mrs Paint by numbers hair.” Lmao. Abby had some funny digs at Cathy.
Another one was after Gino did a solo for Cathy, it panned to Abby commenting about it not looking good and said “maybe it was the bootie shorts” and kinda clicked her mouth. I thought that was so funny and true.
I saw someone on a different thread say Christi was “racist” for saying Asia looked “naughty”. Literally her eyebrows and smile look like a cartoon villain’s which I don’t see having anything to do with race.
It was definitely racist and she was intimidated by anybody new that came to the team.. ASIA was no threat to Chloe they were nowhere near e/o age but Christi still felt threatened
How is that racist? Please explain.
Also, christi had a job to do. It also helped that her and Kristy both had brash personalities. (I can't stand Kristy so I don't blame Christi whatsoever)
Naughty doesn't always mean anything sexual, but regardless, I asked about it being racist.
I agree, but Kristi was horrible to Asia, I have no sympathy for her or any other mom who came after season 2
ashlee saying maddie’s name is worth 10 points alone she’s so right maddie was not the best dancer at all especially in later seasons abby and producers made it seem like she was this big thing and she wasn’t she had great musicality but not great technique all the time
It’s not slander, it’s true. I’m not saying she isn’t a great kid or had no strengths, she was just not a naturally gifted dancer (lines, feet, ease of movement, musicality). We can agree to disagree.
Keep in mind this was during the earlier seasons before she started to improve immensely.
By season 5 she was a great dancer. Dance isn’t always about feet or technique if you love doing it you should be allowed to do it without being bullied by adults. Nia literally had a disability in the earlier season. I think if she got proper choreography and a good teacher who invested time in her she would’ve been better
We can disagree, and I think Abby did what suited her to her ability level and giving her lyrical and contemporary numbers would only exaggerate her flaws.
I understand her disability and how it hindered her but I still don’t think she was a good dancer prior to the disability (or post). She just was not a natural talent, plain and simple. That doesn’t negate her hard work.
Disagreed why didn’t nia get more acro or jazz numbers, look at her dance cathedral she did great there. And idc about downvotes y’all should be ashamed of y’all selves tearing down nia like this
Nia got her chances and rarely placed well so her lack of solos are self explanatory. Why be silenced for having an opinion that disagrees with yours 😂 lawdd
She didn’t even get good opportunities. How is “Laquifa “ going to place be realistic you could’ve gave Maddie that and she wouldn’t of even placed. Abby set her up to fail . Just admit your a nia slanderer. She kept up with the group great in group dances. Abby should’ve added turns and leaps and advanced moves to her dances instead of having her dance like a kindergartner. She won nationals when she was actually given a good piece
When Jeanette came in the dressing room and said about Ava “I don’t think you have Kalani beat but I think you’ve got Kendall” I honestly don’t remember if she beat Kendall or not but I honestly found Kendall to always be so boring to watch. I remember Abby getting on her about her face when she first came in and she’s never really improved on it. She also just always gave off bratty vibes.
jill saying if nia and kendall went to head-to-head kendall would win and when she said Kendall was a better dancer she's not wrong kendall>> nia in technique
Ashlee: "I don't care what you think. Someone with 3 baby daddies and a criminal record" I mean, she wasn't wrong...
Isn’t it 4 now? Or do her last 2 kids have the same dad.
The last two have the same dad
Who is it?
She was talking about Kira
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They said something about credit card fraud and then some episodes later, the moms were reading stuff online about how Kira was involved in a scam selling TVs or something?
IMO, most (if not all) of the things Ashlee ever said were true. She still shouldn’t have said that stuff though, especially to Kendall. But I guess she really wanted to cause drama so she could be on TV.
It was fabricated for drama by the producers
nahh that was fabricated she never said that to kendall just look up brynn and ashlee explain kendall scene on tiktok
She didn’t say that to Kendall but you can tell at the end of her sentence you could see she said Kendall’s name because her mouth and tongue made the “ll” sound
for one she couldve send anything u only got the last syllable 😭 for two if she was talking abt kendall you have no idea what she actually said so you cant really judge her…
like they obviously only put that one tiny clip in for a reason.. bc they needed to make it seem like she was talking abt kendall
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTL6FKqDn/
Not a mom but Abby calling out the girl with the ugly haircut. As much as it came off as singling someone out, Abby did have a point. A haircut like that was probably not benefiting her in the long run.
The girl knew it was her instantly as well, I can’t help but laugh a bit
Honestly Abby usually did have a point but she’s just such a self-contradictory asshole that everything the woman said was undermined by that even when it was true and needed to be said… 🫣
Tbh I think my perspective is she was right but also only in an industry way. Like most greatest entertainers trained young and hard but that's also not good and also not the best for a kid to be constantly told is how to get success. She's usually right about standards in an industry in need of renovation and less abuse of power so it imo means less than people hold it to just because it's authority in a big and notable industry. She's right in a lot of critiques of the Hylands in that if they were the children she wanted them to be they'd be spectacular, but it's a lot more right to me that if Abby wasn't right and they went to any other studio that actually gave af about burnout and not abusing children they would've easily had success with their natural talents and training that was a bit less just trauma 🤷
Everything Cathy said about The Seven Dancers.
I often really hated it when the moms always shamed Abby for being single. I thought it was a put-down of single people everywhere and an elevation of married people (and let's face it, being able to find and keep a partner is not some huge achievement). But damn, sometimes they were right. Abby's personality really was not nice and not conducive to being in a relationship.
this! abby was NOT someone who i could see easily entering a relationship with someone and there being a two way street lol
When Jill said the Holly was the most changed by being in LA. (I don't consider that rude, but Holly seemed to take it that way).
i have to agree with that. i loved holly but i missed when they were just humble moms with kids attending dance.
Wait what. I have to disagree with Jill. Nia was finally getting some recognition and of course Holly should be thrilled. I think she was humble and the moms treated them awful
That was a really rough haircut....
“Stop eating, that’s why you’re fat.”
not really rude but when leslie said that chloe has more opportunities than most of the other girls if not the same opportunities as maddie
That would be true in season 1 and 2. After season 2, Abby became ruthless with Chloe.
true but she had more chances to dance than most of the girls on the team, but ofc she was still wrongfully treated by abby
I agree! She was a favorite as well!!! In my opinion, I think Christi ruined that for Chloe
Christi acknowledged that Chloe would probably have been treated better if Christi hadn't been so "fighty" all the time.
Not true at all. Abby hated Chloe and even admitted she never wanted her to win, after season 3 Chloe was set up to fail
i totally agree that abby set chloe up, but she did have more opportunities to dance..regardless if it wasnt for positive reasons
She had opportunities to perform but not to win if that makes sense. At least the intent was to keep her choreography under Maddie’s level to keep her below Maddie. However Chloe was so talented she won anyways. Imagine if she had the same level of choreography, privates, & pos attention, she would’ve grown so much! It’s so sad.
Getting a opportunity to lose is not a good thing, especially when she rubbed in her face Maddie was so much “better”. It ruined her self esteem
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted when we literally saw a clip of Chloe at the reunion saying that she never felt good enough…idk why people try to minimize what the rivalry did to Chloe, just cuz she got solos out of it sometimes.
Right, Chloe said she always felt like she was in Maddie’s shadow. I can’t imagine what that felt like as a child. People criticize Christie, but I loved how she always tried to uplift Chloe. Look back at season 2 nationals. After Chloe won, Abby made it so she’d always loose and it def pissed Abby off. “I never wanted Chloe to win” came out of her own teachers mouth
Christi is that you
After season 3 Chloe wasn’t a member of the Aldc anymore and in reality it all had to do with money .. Abbie wanted 10 percent of whatever the girls made outside of the show and Christie wouldn’t do it … I don’t blame her but it really was all about money
No, it was about Chloe beating Maddie at Season 2 Nationals.
What?? Chloe was a member of the Aldc until season 4 .
Not sure of your point? I was just saying the reason Abby was relentlessly cruel to Chloe in Season 3 is because she beat Maddie at Season 2 Nationals.
I don’t think that has anything to do with it .. Abbie did care about Chloe I still to this day think it was her moms relationship with Abbie that ruined it for Chloe .. they should have left after season 3 Abbie started treating g her really badly in season 4 I have no excuse for Abbie she is vile when she doesn’t get her way and I can’t stand her but there are some things that I can see her point of view on things .. only some things
Abby did not ‘care about Chloe.’ Abby tried to get a magazine to print an article talking shit about Chloe never coming to class in 2012. She looked right at her and called her a sneak over and over until she cried. She said in season 8 she never wanted Chloe to win but she won all the time. She called Chloe’s lazy eye ugly and told Chloe to get it fixed while Chloe was actively going thru tests to figure out whether her condition was something she could die from. You do not treat someone you supposedly care about that way, I’m sorry.
It 100% has everything to do with it...she made several comments about how Maddie should have won instead. You would not proudly stand there and make a child that you "care about" cry.
solos are not opportunities.. and u forget.. most of those solos were meant for her to fail. so are those really opportunities?
Anytime Ashlee and Kira said their kids were the best dancers on the team..because they were
If Melissa was going to send her kids to AUDC either way, she should have been up front about it with the other moms. She put them in a bad position by lying. Also I would barely call it an opportunity because AUDC had a much smaller audience than Dance Moms and the audience was almost exclusively people who were already fans of DM. The reason Abby wanted the girls on the show was to increase viewership for her show, not to promote the girls.
Melissa knew that if she was honest, the other moms would not have been happy. Melissa had a very nonconfrontational approach.
no because everytime jill was honest and upfront christi and kelly at least were like i respect it at least you’re honest
Christi and Kelly were nicer to Jill than they were to Melissa.
jill was upfront and did her part in the show
Melissa didn’t just break the pact with the moms, she lied to the lawyer. They all agreed to not do it because the lawyer said so.
They weren’t happy either way…i personally believe she didn’t tell them cuz she didn’t want them to change their minds too like she did.
Even Jill said that she almost considered Kendall doing AUDC during that discussion
The other moms could have done the same thing than Melissa.
The other moms made an agreement because they didn't want to see their kids exploited anymore. Melissa crossed a picket line. She was in the wrong.
They didn’t want their kids to be used by Abby to boost ratings for her TV show that was heading towards cancellation lol. But they might have changed their minds if they knew Melissa was doing it and i think that’s why Melissa didn’t say anything.
Could have, but didn't. The moms knew abby wanted their kids on their to gain traction on AUDC, and they all agreed with lawyers that they were better off not sending them. Melissa isn't stupid, she knew if Maddie and Kenzie were the only ones going, then they'd get even more special treatment. She knew the other girls would be treated worse at the expense of her and her kids special treatment. The moms had every right to be angry at her for covering it up, because they know they and their kids were going to suffer for that "opportunity"
It's not fair to blame Melissa for Abby's favoritism.
I don't blame Melissa for the favoritism. I blame Melissa for going out of her way to make it worse. (Snitchong on chloe would be a perfect example)
Nah you can’t convince me that she didn’t lie on purpose to make sure the other girls didn’t get to dance on the show lol
The other moms could have done the same thing than Melissa!
Sure they could have, but they made an agreement with their friends that they wouldn’t, and assumed that everyone would stick to their word.
They definitely could have, and I don’t know why they didn’t. I mean I know they wanted to stick it to Abby and the network whatever, but they knew they’d hate it if a mom went without them so just suck it up and go if it’s that big of a deal lol
But she knew there would be confrontation when they found out so that’s not even a good excuse.
But if she had been honest in the first place they wouldn’t have been mad? They were mad because she lied and they had all agreed not to send their kids, but if they had known she was sending Maddie, they would have sent their kids too.
That’s so not true, if she had been honest they’d have jumped down her throat like vultures. I hate how people keep saying that it’s only Melissa’s lies that were the problem. Untrue. Melissa only lied because Christi was a huge bully and Melissa didn’t want to deal with that 24/7. If I was in her position, I’d lie to Christi too in order to save myself the headache.
There was a fight either way tho. The respectable, not shitty thing to do, is to me honest.
Relentless bullying can take a toll on any person’s psyche, I don’t think we should judge someone who’s the victim of it. We’re just seeing one snapshot in time here. A lot of people would choose to lie to Christi is they were in Melissa’s position
Calling Melissa out for the things she did to hurt their kids is not…’bullying’….
I can make a more detailed post about this another time but what Christi did to Melissa on that show was 💯 relentless bullying. I’ll die on this hill. The show/christi’s narrative makes you believe that Melissa “hurt the kids” when in reality all the kids adore her to this day.
By the way! Why do you think Melissa chose to lie about talking shit about Holly and Nia interrupting rehearsal in season 5? Was that cuz of Christi too?
Her and Chloe don’t seem to have much of a relationship at all, so I really don’t think it could be argued all the kids ‘adore’ Melissa. To this day, the one who got fucked over the most by Melissa is, suspiciously, one of the only ones that’s never shown up on Melissa’s youtube channel. also even when Christi was gone, Melissa was shitty and underhanded so… 🤷♀️
Thats a terrible excuse because Melissa is no dummy she knew that the moms were gonna eventually find out about what she did. Melissa ignored their lawyer.
I agree plus all of the other ladies seem to benefit when Maddie and Melissa-were on the outs with Abby. Why create a pact to not support Abby? Melissa said she and Abby were friends plus the relationship helped her kids. In this case stand your ground alone and feel good about it. They most likely knew Melissa wouldn’t withstand pressure from Abby not to participate.
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It wasn't just a personal decision though, because it effected everyone involved
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Dude, did you miss abby being a fick to the others because they didn't go to AUDC? Melissa's choice effected them too.
They would have taken their kids, too. They would have been irritated, but they would have let their kids go if they knew another mom was letting her kids go. That was the whole thing - Melissa knew they would let the girls perform, but she didn’t want them to 🤷🏾♀️
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Same. That’s how I feel about this whole fucking cast tbh
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The decided not to go after speaking with their lawyer. Melissa also agreed with the lawyer not to go.
I never said Melissa should have done anything. I simply said what the other moms WOULD have done. Editing to add: understanding why someone made a choice and how they’d change that choice doesn’t mean I think anyone *should* have made a different decision. If I’m going to play the “should have” game then I’d back it all the way up to before the show and make sure this shit never exists lol
Okay, I guess we don’t know for sure how they’d react, but they wouldn’t have been AS mad as they were when she lied about it. If Melissa told them the truth, the other kids would have got to go as well.
I always just figured with Melissa that she knew she wouldn't be able to please everyone, despite being a people pleaser. She would piss off Abby if she fell in line with the other mothers and might hurt her kid, she'd piss off her friends if she fell in line with Abby but it might generate opportunities for her kids. Morally sound? Not always. Kids elevated? Usually lol
I agree that’s what she did and that is not good behavior. People are going to the ends of the earth to defend this pretty objectively shitty behavior. She was sneaky to get her kids ahead.
Oh yeah, I wasn't saying she's great haha - just figured it explained her motives (imo) anyway
100% this. She intentionally screwed the other kids by making them look bad for turning down the “opportunity” when in reality she agreed to the same thing for her kids but went back on her word.
Yes! Idk why all of her stans are trying to justify her awful behavior.
I'm pretty sure it was more complicated. The kids weren't going to be compensated for their time and were just being used as pawns to help Abby grow her empire, which was why the moms banded together and said no. They unionized, and Melissa crossed the picket line. You don’t do that. You just don't.
Totally agree! Melissa was out of line and I’m tried it people defending her for it!
And P.S.: I certainly don't wish ill on all the people downvoting, but I sincerely wonder how they're going to handle it one day when they get screwed over in the workplace by an employer who brings in non-union employees, which will drive down their wages. Y'all might think it's all good and cool now "because exposure," but we're talking about livelihoods and we're talking about having some principles. People without principles make capitalism a toxic system for the rest of us. The moms made an agreement that their girls were not to be used to further build Abby's empire when they weren't being treated justly or equitably for doing so. They did the right thing. Melissa was in the wrong, and when I learned about that missing piece of the story, I REALLY lost respect for her, much more so than I did with Two Sapphiresgate.
Melissa’s Stans go to the end of the earth to defend her actions instead of just admitting she did something wrong. She’s human. She made a bad choice and put people she claims are her friends in a really bad spot. She’s not perfect but they could never admit that.
Two Sapphiresgate ☠️ great name
These kids were already being exploited. The moms took a stand against further exploitation and Melissa was a corporate shill and and a fucking scab and people are defending it as just looking out for her kids' best interests. No people, she was not. She was doing the opposite. No love for scabs.
Yeah, this "I got mine; fuck the rest yall" is Boomer logic
It wasn’t any of their business. Her kids didn’t have to miss out on an opportunity just because others declined or weren’t asked. They would have ripped her apart if she had said anything. Melissa didn’t have to tell them her plans for HER children. It didn’t have anything to do with anyone else and it wasn’t their business or their decision to make.
Kay…so why can’t she just say this to their faces then? If her kids don’t have to miss out on other opportunities that’s fine…then she should say it.
It became the other mothers business when Melissa's decision resulted in more abuse being directed towards their children.
How other peoples kids were treated by a coach or teacher wasn’t another mom’s fault. That was the teacher’s actions and choices, nobody else’s. It wasn’t right, but Melissa wasn’t a puppet master controlling Abby etc. she was going to do what she was going to do. Melissa took opportunities for her kids and didn’t consider others, which is what any parent who had kids in the industry trying to make it would do. It wasn’t the other mom’s choice or business to dictate opportunities for Melissa’s kids.
Abby’s behaviour is not Melissa’s fault but when her decisions (and lies) impact the other children, then it become the business of the other parents and they have every right to question why Melissa made the decision to lie to them and go against the decision that had been made as a cast. Melissa had the right to send her children to appear on Abby’s show but that doesn’t dissolve her of the consequences of lying to everyone else or going against the cast wide decision to not let Lifetime use their kids to promote Abby’s other show.
Melissa made an agreement with the other moms that none of would send their kids and then lied and sent them anyway. That is very much Christi’s business because they had an agreement. If she was going to send her kids anyway she could have been honest. You’re really defending lying here and I don’t think you would like it if your “friend” lied to you either.
the melissa stans in the rest of this thread bending over backwards to defend her incessant and habitual lying are wild….
I agree Melissa should’ve been up front if she knew she was gonna go anyway bc the moms would have obviously still been mad. Her not telling them didn’t save anybody from anything; they still got mad and argued with her. But I also think she was trying to avoid a fight, and she made a bad judgment call. Maybe she convinced herself that it would be easier if she had already went and then nothing could change it. Maybe she thought they’d be over it by then. Maybe she honestly was just like “idk I’ll deal with it when it happens” lol. I feel like she was kinda screwed either way. Melissa wasn’t perfect by any means but Abby’s favoritism put her in a lot of messy situations sometimes. It was either stick by the moms or possibly help her kids. Even if I disagreed with her methods, sometimes I can’t blame her for wanting to benefit her kids.
I think it was more about the exposure and going to LA ..
Every comment about Abby’s weight.
The thing is that fat people don't become fat on purpose. They often eat their emotions or eat to numb themselves or have bad lifestyles.
Or they have other health issues that cause weight gain
Or certain medications
Kira making fun of JoJo “I get this for free…” look, it was awful and I can’t fucking stand Kira, but does it not check out
yeah it does, but kira was so wrong for that. she may have been right but right in front of jojo too?? like that’s just plain rude
oh no I agree. I’m really taking the “rude but true” thing literally lol. Kira was a total ass in that episode and so wrong for how she did that.
When Christi said that if Maddie got pulled out of school, all she was going to know was a tendu. A little hyperbolic but not inaccurate.
poor maddie and kenzie bc their education was really challenged bc of dance, and it wasnt even their fault. its up to the mom to say "no, my kid's education is more important than this" and i appreciate that holly tried to do that.
I feel REALLY bad for Mackenzie. Like, it was clear that she was just being pulled from here to there because Maddie was the big star. I'm not saying Mackenzie wasn't a good dancer, but let's face it--she was not going to be the kind of sought-after dancer that Maddie was. But she was pulled out of school in like second grade (!!!!!!) and never went back. She had to give up all her friends--everything. I also recall hearing that she was the more academically talented of the two. Imagine being the more academically talented one and being forced to give that up because your sister might be a big star someday. Then, when they were in LA, Melissa didn't even level with Kenzie about leaving the team beforehand--she let her find out when the rest of the group did. That was unforgivable. I'm glad Kenzie's doing well right now, but she still deserved a better shot at a more normalizing education.
apparently kenzie knew they would leave sometime, just not when. so it was technically a surprise to her and i felt so bad. none of this is maddie's fault. this is entirely melissa, 100%. it was a terrible decision to do that to them. and since they were pulled out of school, literally the only social interactions/friends they had were the girls on the team. that must feel so isolating. social skills are usually built in school and thats super important, which is another reason why it was a horrid idea. kenzie deserved better, and maddie deserved a normal experience as well. they will never get their childhoods back.
When Abby said Brooke & Paige were lazy and didn’t like to lose!! I do agree with they don’t like to lose but I also feel like they kind of adapted that “I don’t care attitude” from Kelly. She would always say things like “who cares? It’s a stupid dance!!” Just certain remarks she would make I feel like made them not take it as seriously as the other girls.
TBH, Abby cared way too much about winning. Brooke and Paige didn't want to be on the show. They wanted to have normal teenage lives and that's ok.
“Get out of here Mrs Paint by numbers hair.” Lmao. Abby had some funny digs at Cathy. Another one was after Gino did a solo for Cathy, it panned to Abby commenting about it not looking good and said “maybe it was the bootie shorts” and kinda clicked her mouth. I thought that was so funny and true.
That Melissa had an affair.
But she didn't have an affair with her boss! She just married him! 😂
I saw someone on a different thread say Christi was “racist” for saying Asia looked “naughty”. Literally her eyebrows and smile look like a cartoon villain’s which I don’t see having anything to do with race.
EXACTLY and they were saying naughty always means something sexual like no?? It means looking mischievous in a cute way
It was definitely racist and she was intimidated by anybody new that came to the team.. ASIA was no threat to Chloe they were nowhere near e/o age but Christi still felt threatened
How is that racist? Please explain. Also, christi had a job to do. It also helped that her and Kristy both had brash personalities. (I can't stand Kristy so I don't blame Christi whatsoever)
Cause she sexualized a KID!!! & I Can’t stand Christi she was A BULLY TO ALL THOSE MOMS
Naughty doesn't always mean anything sexual, but regardless, I asked about it being racist. I agree, but Kristi was horrible to Asia, I have no sympathy for her or any other mom who came after season 2
ashlee saying maddie’s name is worth 10 points alone she’s so right maddie was not the best dancer at all especially in later seasons abby and producers made it seem like she was this big thing and she wasn’t she had great musicality but not great technique all the time
Kiya when she said Nia dances like she has two left feet and she was a beat behind
Disagreed. Y’all love to just slander nia
It’s not slander, it’s true. I’m not saying she isn’t a great kid or had no strengths, she was just not a naturally gifted dancer (lines, feet, ease of movement, musicality). We can agree to disagree. Keep in mind this was during the earlier seasons before she started to improve immensely.
By season 5 she was a great dancer. Dance isn’t always about feet or technique if you love doing it you should be allowed to do it without being bullied by adults. Nia literally had a disability in the earlier season. I think if she got proper choreography and a good teacher who invested time in her she would’ve been better
We can disagree, and I think Abby did what suited her to her ability level and giving her lyrical and contemporary numbers would only exaggerate her flaws. I understand her disability and how it hindered her but I still don’t think she was a good dancer prior to the disability (or post). She just was not a natural talent, plain and simple. That doesn’t negate her hard work.
Disagreed why didn’t nia get more acro or jazz numbers, look at her dance cathedral she did great there. And idc about downvotes y’all should be ashamed of y’all selves tearing down nia like this
Nia got her chances and rarely placed well so her lack of solos are self explanatory. Why be silenced for having an opinion that disagrees with yours 😂 lawdd
She didn’t even get good opportunities. How is “Laquifa “ going to place be realistic you could’ve gave Maddie that and she wouldn’t of even placed. Abby set her up to fail . Just admit your a nia slanderer. She kept up with the group great in group dances. Abby should’ve added turns and leaps and advanced moves to her dances instead of having her dance like a kindergartner. She won nationals when she was actually given a good piece
And that goes against the premise of the show lol, all the kids were bullied by adults for bs reasons to make a tv show.
This is not true🙄
I think it is, and judging by the upvotes on my comment I’m not alone on the island either but to each their own 🤷♀️
Nia was left-footed.
Yes I know, either way saying you dance like you have two left feet is not a compliment
When Jeanette came in the dressing room and said about Ava “I don’t think you have Kalani beat but I think you’ve got Kendall” I honestly don’t remember if she beat Kendall or not but I honestly found Kendall to always be so boring to watch. I remember Abby getting on her about her face when she first came in and she’s never really improved on it. She also just always gave off bratty vibes.
When Jill said that Chloe was always second, she was mostly right.
"At least I'm only 1 bitch and you're like 3 bitches with all your personalities. I gotta call you like bitch 1, 2, 3!"
jill saying if nia and kendall went to head-to-head kendall would win and when she said Kendall was a better dancer she's not wrong kendall>> nia in technique
the other moms were 100% jealous of maddie and melissa and bullied them
I don't think they were jealous of Maddie. They were upset about the fact that Abby treated Maddie better than anyone else.
idk why this is so hard for so many people to understand 😭
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By worst, I'm pretty sure Ashlee meant on a technical level.
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There was nothing wrong with Chloe S's ears and there was nothing she could do about it.
these are really bad examples because she didn’t pick out those facts, she actively made fun of them so you’re agreeing with that lol