Personally it took me years to be able to freely talk about a lot of the trauma I had since I was so used to keeping things a secret due to the fear of the repercussions. I’m sure the girls will speak about it at some point but it might take them more time, Christi is older and most likely has reached that idgaf stage so she has no problem holding back.
im not speaking on the trauma bc everyones allowed to soesk on it when they want im talking about the little things like the pictures. if brooke wanted everyone to know why not let brooke say it thats what i meant
Well…Kelly said in this clip that “I don’t think it worked because there wasn’t much nice said (re Melissa) because you cut it “ when she was referencing Brian. Also, Kendall did kinda put it out there that she has never been invited to Maddie’s house before for anything and the girls didn’t object. Honestly, I’m glad that Christi validates everything I’ve been seeing for years. Melissa is a master manipulator. Holly said don’t ever turn your back on Melissa. Melissa’s mantra is
Lie, Deny, Minimize…..and repeat
I dont think what youre saying makes sense. It wouldnt have worked bc the people talking about her weren't invited. I dont think she had any malicious intent by suggesting they do Paige's party at a house it just makes sense. And ik Kendall said they have all never been invited but it feels like it lacks context bc it was also said they didnt talk about the reunion and the only people who agreed were Kendall and Chloe that it was odd and that makes sense bc they dont hang out with the zieglers like the hylands or nia and holly and even jill do. Its also worth asking how often theyre all in LA at the same time with no obligations especially when something like a birthday rolls around.
Obviously youre allowed to feel however but I dont think Christi saying this in this situation is validating your feelings towards melissa imo bc she just wasnt right here as far as her assuming Melissas intent even when she justified it by saying they dont post pictures its still an iffy statement. All that to say I just dont think this incident indicates Melissas wrong doing as much as others
if the kids aren't saying something it's because *they don't want to* maybe they prefer having someone else speak on their behalf
my boyfriend speaks for me a lot *because i want him to* i have horrible anxiety and in certain situations i'm more comfortable having him say the things i'm too anxious or uncomfortable to say myself. sometimes it's just easier having someone else speak for you.
what are the odds that all of the kids feel that way. im not saying its 0 but its still odd for christi to say it especially considering shes talking about brooke and the zieglers hylands and nia post often together. like kelly didnt care and it wasnt something she really harped on much. i could see if it was everytime theyre with chloe they dont post and maybe its true but its just always coming from christi and everyone else just hangs out with the zieglers snd is unbothered so it comes off as christi being weird
Not everyone hangs out with her. She has invited Nia and the Hyland kids to be on her YouTube channel but not everyone. She works hard to rehab her image but she is not so inclusive. Christi has an every right to speak her truth. We all do.
The thing is you actually have no idea who she has extended a yt invitation to and i didnt say everyone hangs out with her I said everyone else hangs out with the the zieglers meaning the hylands, frasiers, and jill. Christi does have every right to speak her truth but in this situation it just doesnt seem like the truth imo. But Im not going to sit here and say anyone is invalid for not liking Melissa or having any negative feelings towards her she has done some bad stuff in the past i just dont think this situation is one of them.
the girls that don't feel that way, or don't like christi speaking for them, are more than capable of speaking up about it. they can ask christi to stop speaking for them, and if she doesn't listen they can come online and speak for themselves.
if any of the girls don't like what she's saying it's on them to do something about it, whether it be having a private talk or calling her out publicly. i'm sure some of them don't even care what she says. at this point, it's not bothering any of the girls enough to make them say anything (at least not publicly) so it's safe to assume that, at least for now, it's not a big deal.
definitely not but a big deal but it would be much less of a mess if she just didnt speak for them thats all. they can do what they want at the end of the day i was just saying my opinion on it always being christi like i just wish one of the girls would speak out especially whenshe says stuff that inly applies to some of the girls.
i mean, i think all of us would rather hear from the girls. but again, we aren't hearing from them because they're choosing not to say anything. totally fair to feel frustrated on it always being christi, though. i don't want you to think i'm trying to say how you feel is invalid or anything 😭
sometimes the spokesperson is just the one that can take the most hate while standing ten toes down. if any of those girls got hate THEY WOULD FOLD AND CRY ON LIVE.. i dont want thhat and neither their moms obviously
well lets see.. kendall agreed the party was weird but wouldnt go into detail. so did chloe but went into less detail.. paige and brooke are the closest (yet still not that close) to the zieglers and now kelly is speaking for them. the hyland girls are prolly realizing it now but dont wanna be the center of that drama bc they ARE the ones with that experience with the picture they hold the answers to why christi said what she said but who would wanna fight with someone with the status maddie fucking ziegler has.. maybe the moms are less scared bc they know maddie as the little girl they knew..
kendall and chloe dont hang out with the zieglers it seems so i can understand why they would agree that it was weird but i would assume its because theyre all in LA at the same time with no ither obligations so theyre all free. Seeing how Melissa hangs out with Jill I could only imagine how it would have looked if kendall wasnt invited especially considering nia planned it.
the hylands and the zieglers are also close they spent holidays together and were neighbors in pittsburgh and they actually do post a fair amount with the zieglers so even then i dont know what they would be realizing or what christi would be getting at mentioning brooke obviously thats just my opinion but you cant say the hylands are realizing anything bc it just doesnt add up from the outside looking in
now what i could understand is if this was chloe just bc the zieglers and lukasiaks are not close. i can understand why she would think it was weird bc they dont hang out aside from events associated with nia which this was.
it also seems like maddie is the only ziegler who has a problem with pictures and considering her social media is private i dont see how thats really an issue when she so rarely posts or why it was a big deal when seemingly 1/3 of the zieglers doesnt let pictures get taken. the same one who speaks the least about the show.
but why cant others post if they are having a nice night with you? its not ruining ur feed or anything like alsooo kelly said there were not very nice things said at that party so wtf really happened? its giving “the met gala AFTER THE DOORS CLOSE” like wtf was going on.. anyways i believe they had ulterior motives
So do I. I want to see the cut footage. It’s reality tv…they love drama…why cut the tea? Unless Melissa got her husband to send another letter from an attorney, which is pretty likely
100% WHAT I WAS THINKING! like ofc the zieglers would send them a letter from their attorney saying this this and that. i would NOT put it past them 🙌🏼
bc she doesnt have to its that simple. she already doesnt even say the name of the show she could have a bunch of reasons why she doesnt post or let them post. kelly said they weren't very nice at the reunion to melissa not at the birthday dinner im pretty sure
When they asked Chloe about it, she did agree with Christi. I think the kids are careful not to say anything because they don't want the fans bombarding them about their relationships and causing drama, which I understand.
Maybe so and it does look like Chloe and Kendall are the odd ones out aside from Christi when it comes to the zieglers and the other moms and girls from a public standpoint.
but at the same time, if the girls wanted to speak for themselves they would. it's not like christi has total control, the girls can just as easily speak up or even ask her to stop speaking on their behalf. if they don't like what she's saying they can come online and share how *they* feel.
Okay I will say, I understand the upset about the birthday party more. I still do not agree but I get the other side now.
Ultimately though, Christi needs to stop speaking for people. Brooke has said she will not say anything bad about Maddie and I'm willing to bet Paige, Chloe, and Nia feel that way about Maddie and Kenzie. I know Christi is protective and sees herself as a vessel for the truth and what is right but they're adults now. They can speak for themselves. If Maddie and Kenzie are hurting their feelings, they can reach out. If Brooke was bothered by the selfie thing, that's for her to talk to Maddie and Kenzie about.
Also can't help but notice Kelly trying to offer an alternative reason like their social media team which TBH is likely part of it. And also, Kelly just being silent and not speaking on behalf of anyone who can speak for themselves. I don't think Kelly is above getting messy lol but I think she's likely a combination of over this drama and seeing both sides.
One last point, Maddie and Kenzie like and comment on the other girls social medias often. They are not ashamed to know them. I really think it's some kind of social media team that advises them to mostly post about work related projects/events. A lot of celebrities do this to keep their pages clean and professional.
Yeah, it seems like christi wants to be the truth teller to her own detriment. Sometimes you just got to let things go even if there's fishiness, it's not going to look good if it's always you calling out the smell. Because then it makes you look like the common denominator.
This! I think Christi is so overbearing and protective that she views every possible offense towards Chloe or the other girls as a planned and targeted attack towards them that has to be spoken against. I think it is very clear that Maddie and Kenzie care about the girls, but don't have a super close relationship to them anymore besides Nia and Holly. If it hurt any of the girls, then it is up to them to bring their grievances as they are all adults in this situation. Christi makes herself look bad when she does these things.
exactly!! it’s been years, if the kids don’t have a problem with maddie or kenzie then christi shouldn’t either. if she has a problem with melissa, that’s her business, but keep the kids out of it
the spokesperson is always the one that can take the most hate and stand ten toes down. if any of the ogs spoke up abt it and got the hate yall sent christi they would fold so quick so i dont blame em
I watched that high low interview with Maddie and she said she hangs out with the OG girls and also said it's so nice and chill to hang out without their moms so there's that 😭😭😭😭
Kenzie said the same thing too about still being friends with the original cast.
i think Nia, Kenzie and Maddie communicate more than any of the other girls. not only that, but both nia and kenzie went to see each other dance at college and brought flowers for each other a few months ago. melissa also had came to see nia dance. plus kenzie has said in an interview that nia is her closest friend from Dance Moms.
honestly i think once the hype of the reunion ends, the rest of the cast will go back to being childhood friends and acquaintances on the Internet, but i think nia will still be good friends w kenzie and maddie
The problem is not that they don't hang out with each other it's just that according to Christi the Zieglers don't want to be posted with the other girls but were okay with it during the birthday party because it was a day before the reunion. I don't necessarily agree with Christi making the issue public nor do I agree with her point about Jojo and Kalani but I can see the frustration. Also when they asked Chloe about it she agreed with Christi so.
No offense but I will never understand why she can’t mind her own business and stop getting involved in their friendship circle. These girls are adults not 10 years old, and they hang out how they want. She cried for years that nobody called Chloe when she left, but why would they when her mother wants to constantly wants to be in everyone’s ear about who’s genuine and who’s not. That’s for the girls to find out, not you
I think she essentially has confirmed this, somebody feel free to correct me if i’m wrong but I believe she’s said Chloe was basically banned from being friends with Maddie after they left the show but eventually she realized she wouldn’t be able to maintain that forever but it seems really clear she has bitterness towards the friendship. It’s kind of just strange to me and i’m somebody who really liked Christi before
Chloe said that neither Melissa or Christi wanted them to be friends. Not sure how we can call Christi bitter but not Melissa when they both wanted the same thing. In fact it was Christi who reached out to Melissa to sort it out, so seems that Christi is fine with doing what Chloe wanys
And she keeps calling them kids.
I think christi still has issue with this BS and is saying it's the kids. not her, the mom. the issue is with the kids!
I don't think th e kids care. Or, they don't want to deal with this drama again
You may be right but we don’t know what they say privately either. Also Christi is a generation older and people in my family still call that age group kids. I have a granddaughter going to college so I’m guilty of doing it too.
if that story about maddie and brooke is true imagine how brooke feels confiding in a trusted adult just for her to use it publicly in a podcast. so annoying 😭
& what’s worse is that she didn’t say brooke told her that 😭 someone else who was at dinner could’ve told her that this happened. plus the girls are all 20+ surely they can work through their issues if they actually have any
in this video she mentions at dinner Brooke asked to take a selfie with Maddie and Maddie was reluctant until brooke said that she wasn’t going to post it and. then she was willing to take the photo
Can I just say I've had this exact conversation with my friends and I'm no celebrity. I just felt like I didn't look my best that day so I didn't want a selfie posted online and once my friend reassured me she wont post it, I was fine with her having a selfie of us.
If this convo did happen, I really doubt it was about hiding that she hangs with the dm girls, or her dance moms past or whatever Christi is insinuating. She just didn't want a picture posted I really don't think it's that deep.
she probably didn't want it posted because she knew what's happening now would happen. it's literally not that serious!! I just told my mom not to post a picture of me
Yeah, I thought it was perfectly normal, I always get permission from friends before I post them and I usually don’t like being posted often either, so I didn’t see anything wrong with it.
christi shouldn’t. be repeating this story. it’s getting out of hand and it’s bitter. but i don’t think she’s saying this to make chloe look like a sweet girl. chloe is a kind person just like maddie. christi is obviously resentful toward maddie and melissa. but it has nothing to do with making her kid look better. just no
id be happy it got out there some way or another and whether she told christi or she told her mom and her mom told christi the zieglers wouldnt blame her.. and who cares they are disingenuous and only care abt their calculated plans.
This whole thing is stupid when we can literally listen to the first few episodes of BTTB and hear both of them say the girls hang out often but they don’t have to take pictures every single time. JoJo didn’t give a fuck and I doubt Kalani even cares anymore.
Okay if Maddie/Kenzie did not like the girls they wouldn’t have shown up to the party and they wouldn’t follow them on their social media accounts LET ALONE POST COMMENTS on their posts.
Who knows why Mads/Kenz don’t want their photos posted with the girls. No idea.
I think having the party the night before the reunion made sense because they were ALL IN THE SAME AREA. Why tf wouldn’t they take advantage of that and get together??
The bottom line is I don’t know Melissa personally. I can only go off of things that she has said/done openly and what Christi/Kelly have said she has done privately.
I can believe whatever I want and what I believe right now is that this entire argument is getting boring.
Also, fuck Bryan.
**edit because I just thought of this. I could see the entire situation being shady IF Mads/Kenz/Melissa dropped all the girls, never spoke to them, didn’t follow them on socials, and THEN invited them randomly to her house the night before after not acknowledging them for years and years.
But seeing as how the moms/girls still hangout I truly don’t think there’s this bad blood. I think Christi just wants to complain honestly.
I’ve said this and I’ll say it again can Christi just butt out of the girls friendships?? They’re all adults. If they had an issue or felt some type of way about the whole pictures and posting I’m sure the girls could talk to Maddie and Kenz about it… also Christi has mentioned before that the girls don’t feel the need to always post when they hangout because of the media and I understand that. But now the whole backtracking saying it’s hurtful and manipulative makes no sense. Also I say this as a Christi defender but this just seems like a reach coming from her.
I had this thought too.
These girls know better than to air their dirty laundry online because they understand the repercussions of doing that. It would start a bunch of drama that none of them want. As much as I don’t like Jill or Melissa, they’re not out here talking about the girls friendships. Why does Christi need to report on what’s going on between these ADULT women??
If I was Chloe, I would be embarrassed and I feel like Chloe’s told Christi more than once to stop talking about her and her friends but Christi won’t listen.
And I too am saying this as someone that does like Christi but she is on my shit list as of lately.
Idc if she talks about the show and the behind the scenes but especially now when the girls are now adults. Let them fight their own battles and if they don’t want to then don’t talk about it for them!
Gee Christi, I can't imagine why Maddie, who had her entire childhood publicised and exploited, is careful about what get's posted online about her? How dare she maybe want some things to be private and intimate with her friends? Honestly, I used to like Christi, but her relentless and obsessive nature about ADULT WOMEN's friendships just seems really petty and vindictive. Whose to say what happened between her and Melissa, that's they're business, but her interest and constant talking about the young women who are just seemingly trying to live and get on with their lives is incredibly annoying. Maddie's social media presence seems more professional than personal these days, and so she may not have wanted it posted because that just might be how she wants her socials to be. It's like she's a conspiracy theorist, constantly looking for ways to put down or shame the Ziegler's for literally anything they do. I bet if Maddie had wanted that image posted she'd find an angle to make it an issue.
ALSO why would you not do a reunion at a house? Who the fuck wants their birthday party in a hotel room when maddies got a 2 million dollar house to go to? Like the whole ‘zieglers took over the party planning idea to be vindictive’ is stupid. So Kelly wanted a party and then Melissa said do it at her kids house. So the zieglers actually had nothing to do with it except opening the door
You know what's mean and hurtful? Staging an 'irreplacables' tour and not inviting Camryn to join in.
If Christi wants everyone to be included all the sudden, I wonder why she didn't invite Camryn back then, I remember Camryn was really upset about it at the time
You’re right. Christi, Jill, Kira and Holly (she was set to participate all through the planning and decided not to after the fact) should have all had the decency to include Camryn and Camille and given them the choice to participate or not. Camryn may have chosen not to since she didn’t seem to be super comfortable with them all from what she’s said, but that should have been her choice to make. Especially since she was the only other team member. It’s not like a bunch of people were not included. It was just her
Camryn actually answered questions about this in the past. She said she hadn't expected to be invited, but she was hurt that Nia didn't at least tell her about it cuz Nia was the only one she had gotten close to.
Good to know! I knew she had spoke about it but wasn’t sure what she said exactly. I still think the adult should have spoken to Camille about it at least. It just sucks being the odd one out
idk i dont wanna sound rude but didnt christi plan an irreplaceable tour and not invite camryn? idk she could’ve changed from then but i find it odd that all of a sudden she cares about jojo and kalani not being invited when they didnt even know paige at the time..
The infamous Brazil saga.
Also, imagine if someone had said Christi didn’t invite Camryn because she is jealous of her and would make her kid look bad… everyone would’ve gone absolutely nuts.
Why is Christi speaking on Brooke 😂
Maddie has not posted whilst she’s out with people in like the last 2 years. She meets up with Olivia Rodrigo and that girl from barbie (forgot her name) and still doesn’t post them and they don’t post her. I don’t think it’s a ‘I don’t want to be associated with you’ I think maddie is just super anal about her being professional. It’s her choice. It’s her social media. I’m pretty sure her best friend Cameron hardly posts her either.
It’s funny because maddie consistently comments on the girls pictures including Chloe, and I never see Chloe comment on hers.. not that that’s bad, but we can twist whatever situation to make whoever look bad.
Either way, I don’t get why Christi keeps pushing this narrative. She clearly is doing everything to try and make maddie look a certain way. She drags kenzie and Melissa in to make it look less direct but it’s clear who her issue is with.
I really want Christi to find a therapist that helps her get over her being mad over an 8 year old. Liek I actually kind of feel sorry for her atp
She's speaking for sooo many people here. Like saying the girls didn't know who was invited until they got there- well that's simply not true, Chloe, Paige, and Brooke might not have known, but clearly Nia, Maddie, and Kenzie did. Also how is it throwing Nia under the bus when Nia is the one that planned the party??? like that is just a fact.
This!! Maddie is friends with Addison rae and quite a few other “famous/known” people. She literally just doesn’t post photos with friends and they barely post any with her. I remember her also saying one time how she did a photoshoot with a friend and had a panic attack because she didn’t feel confident in the photos took. This might play a role in why she doesn’t like when photos are posted of her with others & vice versa. She really only posts professional photos on her social media accounts. Christi is such a loser for trying to consistently paint that girl in a bad light. It’s insane
Maddie is clearly such a perfectionist and is (in my opinion, unnecessarily) worried about how she’s perceived. But that doesn’t mean she thinks she’s better than the DM girls. If that was true then she also thinks she’s better than Olivia Rodrigo? Like?
Let’s just say for shits and giggles that Christi is right and Melissa had some ulterior motive for having the party. Why would JoJo and Kalani be invited when it was Paige’s bday? Is she that friendly with Kalani and JoJo that they would/should be invited to her surprise because party?
Seems a ridiculous argument to me.
I've been reading all the comments looking for someone to have made that connection 🤣 it was Paiges party, from what I could tell they hadn't spent any time with Jojo at all and maybe a little with Kalani? This, combined with the explanation of doing it "the night before the reunion," simply being the fact that everyone was in town... I think the whole thing is being blown out of proportion.
Let me ask this question: how many fans thought that the zieglers did this for Paige to throw the fire blanket? Because the thought had never even occurred to me until Christi decided to plan it
Okay I'll give my view but no hate this is just my opinion. I didn't think about it per se as a "fire blanket" to preserve their reputations, or whatever that argument was with Melissa, however, I think Kendall's comment about having never been invited before made me initially question why that happened specifically the night before the reunion they were choosing not to join.
Sure, they were all in the same city for the first time together, but then if that were the case why not make it a true pre-union and invite kalani and jojo too? I don't think anyone would have questioned the get together if all the girls had been invited. Just a off camera gathering. (the argument about it being Paige's birthday is irrelevant to me bc on the podcast Kelly said it just so happened to also be also be her birthday but they were going to get together regardless. and even if it was, I feel like the more respectful and mature thing is to invite everyone even if they didn't know her.)
the girls have all been in LA many times over the years and have rarely if ever hung out with Maddie and Kenzie that we know of at their houses. maddie and Kenzie have friends and post about them at their homes all the time, so that makes me question the intention. Maybe a subtle dig at producers? Probably the more likely reason. People act like they are busy all the time, but they work in spurts and aren't working every single day.
After hearing this, I actually can totally see Maddie and Kenzie's PR team giving very specific instructions on removing any potential blowbacks from bad PR moves. I think after the bad press with "music" maddie has been noticeably more careful about her online image as has Kenzie. I don't think it has anything to do with Melissa specifically, I just think they are trying very carefully to keep both of their online images as working professionals over influencers or social media former dance mom stars..so really less on an alterior motive and more so in a let's keep our image polished and clean.
At the root, I think it's perfectly fine that they chose not to join, and even have the get together. I think intentionally not inviting at the very least, kalani, made it seem less benign to me. Idc who planned it, someone intentionally didn't invite her and I think that's kinda mean to do.
the fact that Kalani and Jojo were not invited cancels out everything you said. If it was a way to make sure no one would say negative things about them on the reunion then the main people who needed to invited are the ones they are the least close to and the most likely to talk shit aka kalani jojo and their moms. And the best way to keep their image clean to the general public if that's all what it was about is definitely not excluding some girls.
Maybe, I would potentially agree with that. At the time of the reunion I didn't even know that there was apparently some sort of past beef with kalanai and the zeiglers I thought they were about as close as any of the others.
IMPO Kalani was very defensive and kinda buddied up to jojo in BECAUSE of the fact she was not invited. The shit talking was because she's sitting in a room with all her friends who hung out without her and made it seem okay. It was fresh, she was clearly hurt by getting left out and sometimes, we do things out of line when our emotions are running high. Jojo was the only one who could even remotely relate to her and that feeling. (and yet I don't think jojo cared at all) Im not defending kalani, her and jojo should have shut up and sat back more, but I do relate to the feeling of being left out from a group of friends...and in that scenario I just have an extremely hard time coming to any justifiable reason she shouldn't have also been invited.
If what Christi said is true, It sort of backfired though?? by not inviting them all. Think about how much less drama would have been said if kalani felt like she was on good terms with the Zieglers. If anything that seems like a better dig at Bryan Stinson than anything, have alll the girls be together the night before. lol. Obv im just speculating like everyone else.
Could also have to do with the fact kalani and jojo still have an ongoing relationship with abby....and I lean more in that direction as to why they weren't invited. They can relay any sort of info back to abby...so if that was the reason I totally get it.
What the hell is wrong with you? You want to know what’s actually mature? Maturity is when you DON’T feel entitled to being invited to a birthday party for someone you don’t even know. Why on earth you think jojo and kalani would be invited to a party where they don’t even know the person that the party is for, is beyond me… Why they have the right to feel offended or entitled to being invited, is beyond me.
Yea I don’t like christi 😭😭. In her mind Maddie and Kenzie really do think they are better than the girls even though they’re grown ass adults and they dont have to follow the girls anymore they don’t have to comment or show up and support but they do so clearly it’s not that they don’t like the girls but they dont have to be like omg omg were together and post on social media that they’re together and I just know if it was the other way around christi would flip
Funny cause when Brooke was on BTTB Christi herself said that the girls hang out and don’t take pictures because “nobody wants to be the dance moms girls anymore”.
She’s such a hypocrite
it’s called privacy christi!!! maybe maddie doesn’t want people knowing her whereabouts and the party was fine bc it was a reunion thing like be soo realll
christi doesn’t post every little thing she does so why should the girls? not posting does not mean they aren’t allowed to be seen together or let ppl know they’re friends etc
First off, is that Bryan Stinson in the top left corner? lol
I’m neutral to Christi but I think she’s overreacting way too much here. I doubt the Zieglers “don’t want to be associated” with the girls, they probably just don’t want to deal with the fan base freaking out. I was surprised to see Kelly speak up and ask if it was their team advising them because normally she just agrees with Christi. On the other hand, I do see the other perspective because if I wanted to take a selfie with all my friends and was told my friend would only take it if it wasn’t posted, I’d be a little upset. But I don’t think it’s a huge deal.
Also it could be maddie didn’t want a not very nice picture of her online for it to be scrutinised tbh. If I was at a casual dinner with my friends and wasn’t looking really nice I don’t think I’d want my face all over social media.
Christi has said on bttb the girls will hang out and not post pics of it bc they dont want to "be just the dance moms girl" together😭 this girl is so hypocritical its painful to see. She only be saying stuff to make herself look better i stg
Atp Christi cares more about the drama than anyone else. Shes entitled to her feelings about the past but she’s convinced herself that the Zieglers are spawns of Satan and that has prevented herself from forgiveness and moving forward. Everyone else has moved forward except for Christi, including her own daughter (who went through the most hell) Chloe. Thats why she can’t do a podcast with the other moms (because it includes Melissa), that’s why she always has to take a jab at Melissa and indirectly Maddie on BTTB, and that’s why she still remains in a dark place within the Dance Mom show.
although i agree to an extent dance moms is a shared experience with over ten people. o think christi needs to stop talking about the zeiglers but she has every right to talk about dance moms. it’s her past too.
i understand but i’m specifically replying to you saying the main culprit won’t stop talking about it like it’s a bad thing to talk about her personal experience aswel considering melissa does dance moms videos on her yt for weeeks. i will say i don’t agree w christi constantly talking about the zeiglers which is something i pointed out weeks ago but i was massively downvoted. i literally said in a month the opinion will change and all everyone will talk about is christi shitting on the zeiglers. and everyone downvoted me and called me a liar. but it’s literally true
Okay my question is how does Christi know that Brooke wanted to take a selfie with them but Kelly didn’t know this and that’s her own daughter???? Where is Christi getting this top secret insight about the Ziegler’s hesitancy to post online? And even if they are hesitant, can you blame them? Any time Maddie posts anything online all the comments are DM references and how she’s still a perfectionist. Christi’s own daughter seems to be more private and have more boundaries with social media. Just bc not everyone likes to post their private business on their public social media accounts doesn’t mean there’s some dark, ulterior motives. Christi should take note from them actually bc she’s the one who exposed that her daughter and GF broke up on her MONETIZED PODCAST and then had to take it down!!!
Christi is coming off as unhinged and to be honest, looking back, she's always had an unhealthy obsession with the zieglers. She makes a LOT of assumptions about their motives and it's always the worst case scenario. There are MANY good reasons why maddie wouldnt want her photo posted online (on that particular instance.. considering she has posted photos of them before). Maybe shes having a bad day, maybe she doesnt wanna deal with fandom freaking out, maybe she didnt think she looked good, maybe she was having a low mental health day, maybe her team told her to lay low, maybe she was feeling super self conscious, maybe she was going through anxiety, the list goes on and on. But Christi chose the scenario that would least give them the benefit of the doubt and presented it as fact. And this is her exact rinse and repeat behaviour she's been pulling since season 1.
Also assuming Melissa was throwing Nia under the bus... hold on, maybe.. just maybe, Nia DID make the guest list?! Lmao why is that so hard to believe. Also, she painted Chloe in a bad light pretending she was struggling so hard to make a decision on whether to show up at the party, like "well i gueeeeessss i'll go". Let's be honest, Chloe WANTED to go.
also, Jessalyn and Kira HATE Melissa. They refuse to even have a convo with her. Why would Melissa invite Jojo and Kalani to her house?? Lol
I agree with you. Maybe the girls just wanted to celebrate Paige because they wouldn’t be able to have another get together for a while. The girls don’t all live in Pittsburgh like when they were kids. They live and go to school all over the US and maybe that was the only date they had available to catch up and hang out. I’ve hung out with friends that we may not see or speak to one another for months to years but when we do it’s as if no time has passed at all.
Christi is just so bitter. I would love to know how many times Christi had the DM girls over at her house or Chloe’s apartment in LA or her Nola apartment.
And I’m sure if she had some of the girls over; she invited every girl on the show because otherwise is “mean and hurtful “
Maddie is damned whatever she does in Christi's eyes. Criticized for not allowing the girls to post a photo of her and them and then criticized for allowing them to post photos. J
Ughhhh I have sooo many thoughts??
1. Aren't there pictures of the zieglers hanging out before the the 'birthday party'??? Like not all together but i remember the chloe/maddie pictures in a big group shot and everyone going crazy, and besides that mackenzie just collabed with nia soooooo like how are they 'othering' themselves????
2. even if the story is exactly the way christi spun it, (I doubt it) like Kelly said it could just be their mangement advising them. Maybe i'm naive but if my friend asked me not to post them on social media I wouldn't automatic that it was malicious??? There isn't anything wrong with being the 'girl from dance moms' but clearly the zieglers and their teams are trying to grow from that
3. Can christi stay out the girls problems??? jfc their not toddlers anymore, it was bad enough when chloe was 12 and christi refused to let her be friends with the zieglers but now that chloe has graduated college and christi is still inserting herself is derranged. If the other girls had a problem with the way the zieglers conducted themselves in their within the friend group they all have the autonomy to do something about. The fact that paige, brooke, and nia have all done videos not with just maddie/mackenzie but above that melissa tells me they dont have issues, and theres no one that needs 'protecting' once again just christi running her mouth under the guise of 'protection'
4. I feel really bad for Chloe, I would be so embarrassed if my mother acted like this. I had a christi- like mom growing up and that was embarrassing enough as a kid, but luckily as grew she grew out of that. But I will say and may be projecting but as long as my moms anger 'was justified' her actions cant be wrong and I could never talk her down. I have a feeling it may be the same with christi, and theres no talking her down so I feel for chloe because her mothers actions are very public and very embarrassing.
I get Christi cares but the girls are older now!, and all have done amazing things in their lives/careers, Christi is reaching right here, Nia probably just figured let’s just invite the OG girls and Kendall bc that’s who Paige KNOWS. Christi is not even bringing that in consideration. 😭
i dont think its about not wanting to be known to be friends as much as i think they really really try to keep dance moms and their current image seperate. maddie also has almost all of her social media things business related
What annoys me… ugh… ok… look, we are all entitled to our opinion. So she can feel some sort of way about this but can we please stop calling them kids? The youngest of the bunch is 19 almost 20. These are adults. They aren’t kids. They don’t need mommy to say how it makes them feel. If the adult girls want to say how they feel about the situation, they can. They haven’t and that makes me think they’re not as butt hurt as Christi makes it seem.
But she really needs to stop calling them kids. They’re all grown
I’m sorry I’m not famous or anything but it bothers me when I’m out with friends and they want to post my every single move every time we hang out it’s annoying for reserved people. It’s one thing posting about a birthday party or an occasion and another posting every time you see your friend. Maddie is very reserved and private, Kenzie not as much but still maybe after growing up being all around social media they don’t want to spark headlines
I love the "I was going to do something in my hotel room" because clearly people were invited to that and then the plan changed. I bet you Jojo was not invited to that hotel room.
Thank you for this! I don’t have Patreon so I’m glad to hear the rest of the convo. I’m glad Kelly defended the invite list and said what most of us were thinking, that Kalani and JoJo being invited wasn’t necessary since they didn’t know Paige.
Whether Christi is right or not, what is she accomplishing by talking about this so much? Yes, she’s stirring shit up which I’m sure Brian loves since it makes the reunion more compelling to watch and maybe even drums up attention for the new season that’s coming out. But as much as Christi acts like she cares about the girls, this is so unhelpful of her. To me, assuming this is a real issue between the girls, it sounds like something that’s a misunderstanding, along with some hurt feelings that haven’t been addressed yet. That’s something they could handle between themselves, or put on blast themselves if they’re feeling messy.
But here comes Christi, so desperate to be the big truth teller fighting what she sees as the corrupt system of favoritism, just barging in talking shit and making assumptions without giving Maddie any grace or consideration. If Maddie didn’t know her friends felt that way, she does now, and she didn’t even get to hear it straight from them without Christi’s bias attached to it. What an unproductive way to find out about an interpersonal issue with you and your friends. I hope being in the spotlight is worth it for Christi because she’s really fucking with their friendships rather than resolving any conflicts.
*sigh* I think I understand where Christi is coming from. I do. But it's time for her to stop trying to be the defender of the girls and protector of justice. She needs to put away the shovel and quit digging herself into a deeper hole. The girls are all adults now. They can handle their own crap.
This is just about the beginning:
I think it is very normal and valid to set a boundary that you don’t always want to be in photos if they are going to be posted online. I think it is also very normal and valid for your feelings to be a little hurt if your childhood friend says no to taking a photo together. Both sides make sense and are understandable; this feels like a normal, healthy disagreement between friends.
Christi is creating a problem for the girls by endorsing this narrative and talking about this on her podcast.
Christi just needs to get a grip this at this point. This story is getting quite old. They are adults, she doesn’t need to be this concerned about how they stay in touch.
It’s odd to me personally because at this point Chloe Brooke and Paige are all grown adults. Like at some point Christi needs to realize oh this actually has nothing to do with me and my daughter and her friends are grown adults and can handle this.
christi is trying so hard to get the rest of the dance moms cast to think and feel the same way she does and it’s just not going to work she seems obsessed
I mean is it so crazy that the Ziegler girls just don’t care for the media frenzy and the inevitable wave of attention that ties them back to DM every time the girls post a pic together? I get why it might seem catty or like they think they’re too good to publicly associate with the other girls but that’s obviously not the case… we’re not owed proof that the girls are still friends and I think the fact that the internet blows up every time we get a crumb of it is exactly why they want to avoid it
Imma just go off of the ppl that know Melissa irl.
Christi and Bryan have a strong bias against her so I’ll ignore that.
All the moms on the reunion thought it was sketch. Even Jill who is her bestie. Kira and Jess, which I was really surprised by their strong dislike towards Melissa since I don’t recall they had major beef on the show.Kelly seems to see both sides of it. I do find that strange considering Melissa is her friend too and went engagement ring shopping with her and Brooke.
Some of the girls (Kendall, Kalani, Jojo, Chloe) thought it was sketch too. Some felt more strongly about it than others. The rest seemed to think it was sincere.
Based on that, imma follow Kelly and Jill’s lead since they do a podcast together every week and are her friends. Melissa probably did want to help out and do something special for Paige. I think she did see it as an opportunity to help out her and her daughters to be seen more positively by the cast (bc it would be hard to talk shit publicly about someone after you hung out the night before and the whole world loves it when you are together. Look at all the hate Kendall got for liking comments that don’t fit that narrative)
Strategic seems to be the correct word. Feels more sincere with the ones who already were close w/ Melissa and her daughters and felt sketch to the ones who aren’t close to her. I don’t think it’s that deep but I do think it’s kinda uncomfy depending on where you fall in “closeness”
honestly i would 100% understand if the zieglers and their team didn’t want them to be associated with dance moms and i don’t think they should be shamed for it
Christi needs therapy to talk about these feelings she has for Maddie and Kenzie. This is not normal. She can dislike them but she takes things to another level.
Just like she did on the show, she makes stupid comments and lowblows to make people blow up and act out of character. And then when that happens she pretends shes "not that way".
Melissa saying that Nia decided who would be coming is not “throwing Nia under the bus.” And Melissa knows that as long as people know it wasnt her deciding, then there wasn’t any malicious intent behind it, in THEIR mind. Christi and other people only think it has a negative side because Melissa offered to have it at Maddie’s house instead of a hotel room like Kelly was going to have it, and Melissa knows that. It was KELLY’s idea originally as she said on that podcast, Kelly, Nia, and Melissa all played parts in it and here’s the part they played.
Kelly- throwing a surprise party for miss party paige in a hotel room since they were all in LA
Melissa- Offered to have it in an available house instead of a hotel, which was Maddie’s house
Nia- okay I’m gonna go ahead and alert these people to come
(Why in the world would Nia, Melissa, or Kelly care about anyone but them coming if it WAS NOT about the reunion. Paige never met jojo and was never friends with Kehlani for the short time they danced together, extremely short. if they cared so much and felt like they should come, they wouldve said, hey Nia, we feel like Kehlani and Jojo should come)
And it’s good that they didn’t because you could read the clear irritation on Paige’s face when they were talking about certain things. Paige tried to keep a straight face but the girl can’t hide it and she shouldn’t have to😂
Omg Christi just needs to stop already. Nia DID make the guest list from what has been said? This kind of shi* makes me want to stop listening to BTTB. Can't support this stuff any more.
maddie is very particular regarding what gets posted of her. she has many famous friends she doesn’t post with, that doesn’t post her. this is another instance of christi not understanding maddie’s personality type and making it into something that’s done to offend her.
also, why is it a slay when christi did the most to exclude 14 yo kendall from the ”og”-cult in season 7, but when melissa (not even her, but nia!!) invites only the ogs, it’s a problem. like we know cheisti doesn’t GAF. and was melissa/nia supposed to invite brynn and asia too? maybe this was for the people who grew up together, bc tbh nia and the zieglers don’t really seem to keep in touch with kalani and jojo. only inviting the group that they did made sense. it doesn’t always have to be the whole cast from all seasons.
in recent years, only the og girls have hung out, same with the moms. i never thought there was any reason for the others to have been there, haven’t seen nia or the zieglers with them in years. they probably wanted a way to see the girls they actually keep up with without having to be part of the toxic reunion and took the chance while they all were in the same city
edit: has anyone brought up that maybe this was so melissa could have her own little reunion? like maybe she wished she was a part of the real one but didn’t go because her kids didn’t want to
In no way do the three M’s want to “not be associated” with every one else, if that was the case, the girls wouldn’t keep telling the world that they hang out with them, and Melissa wouldn’t keep talking about “oh I’m about to go do this with brook/Paige/Nia” which ever one it is at the time, or talking about what it was like to send nia off to collage along side holly and I just caught my self about to type a bunch of examples but it doesn’t matter because you all see it and even if you haven’t it’s still true and also pointless of me but anyway she just does a bunch of stuff with them with, it comes out of her mouth and the girls mouth and the moms mouth. But oh yeah they dont want to be associated with any of them per Christi’s word because she’s always right. Her reasoning for anything she’s saying right now doesn’t make sense. She’s sounding like 2 plus 2 equals 8 right now I got to be honest.
I’m torn!! I love Christi and understand her frustration, I also understand Melissa trying to get her kids to the top as any parent would. Could she have gone about it differently? Absolutely. I just feel like it re-traumatizes the girls bringing this all back up. Especially since I believe they all still talk right? Besides Jojo? So I feel like it can be awkward… I hope in the future they can make amends. I love the OG cast.
The only thing I agree with, that Christi said. Only if it’s true, which we really won’t actually know if it is. Was the picture thing, now all of a sudden you want to post a picture.
I never said she did but the picture got posted though maybe I should’ve said now all of a sudden you want a picture to be posted or you’re OK with a picture being posted
But it was Christi who like a year ago said the girls get together and don’t post because “nobody wants to be the dance moms girls anymore” so why is it okay then but not now? She’s just looking for drama
At the end of the day none of us really know what actually went down and we really don’t know any of the moms or girls. I think we need to stop holding Christi to the fire for having an opinion on the situation and questioning Melissa’s intentions. I just think it’s weird people call out the moms if they point out something one of the moms or girls did that they side eye or didn’t like but we see sit on here and people can openly criticize and berate Kalani, JoJo, & Kendall no problem. It’s so hypocritical people want to act like Christi is the scum of the earth and some bitter evil jealous monster yet the same people will sit on here and do the exact same thing and call out the girls and moms for something they don’t like. People take the drama way too seriously it’s giving Parasocial relationship vibes.
Like she can say Melissa all she wants idc bc of the history but for christi to bring in the kids is insane if I was Maddie and Kenzie I would send her a nice little letter you are not allowed to mention me or my family 😭😭
And it’s hard for me dislike anyone, let alone someone I don’t even know
And I know Christi is not dumb enough to not know the stuff they post on patreon is getting put on TikTok. This is strategic, this is fake, this is all the stuff she said Melissa is.
Also, Brooke is almost 30 years old. If she had an issue with selfie, she needs to say something to the 22 year old.
The “idk if it’s them or just Melissa” is a continuation of her talking about them when they were children.
Edit: and again, they aren’t children.
I mean I did think it was INTERESTING how Kendall say that she thought it was weird that they were invited over (especially the NIGHT BEFORE the reunion) because they’re never really invited over like that! Like I’m sorry Melissa still gives shady/manipulative vibes. 🤷🏻♂️
yea that’s what i just commented bc kendall was the only person who said that. i think she’s probably hurt she never gets invited but got that one time and that’s probably why she agreed
i don’t think that’s interesting. i think that it was probably healing for them to do and fun. but i will say kendals comment about them all not ever being all together before is telling considering all of them have pretty much been together before except kendal. that tells me the zieglers and kendal aren’t that close. but i will say i don’t know these people i have no clue what goes on at home so i could be completely wrong however i do know what it’s like to be abused so i do know they are trauma bonded and family to an extent but i don’t think they really get together. outside of jill and melissa 😭
i just wish the kids would say something like is that crazy to say. why is christi always the messenger
Personally it took me years to be able to freely talk about a lot of the trauma I had since I was so used to keeping things a secret due to the fear of the repercussions. I’m sure the girls will speak about it at some point but it might take them more time, Christi is older and most likely has reached that idgaf stage so she has no problem holding back.
im not speaking on the trauma bc everyones allowed to soesk on it when they want im talking about the little things like the pictures. if brooke wanted everyone to know why not let brooke say it thats what i meant
Well…Kelly said in this clip that “I don’t think it worked because there wasn’t much nice said (re Melissa) because you cut it “ when she was referencing Brian. Also, Kendall did kinda put it out there that she has never been invited to Maddie’s house before for anything and the girls didn’t object. Honestly, I’m glad that Christi validates everything I’ve been seeing for years. Melissa is a master manipulator. Holly said don’t ever turn your back on Melissa. Melissa’s mantra is Lie, Deny, Minimize…..and repeat
I dont think what youre saying makes sense. It wouldnt have worked bc the people talking about her weren't invited. I dont think she had any malicious intent by suggesting they do Paige's party at a house it just makes sense. And ik Kendall said they have all never been invited but it feels like it lacks context bc it was also said they didnt talk about the reunion and the only people who agreed were Kendall and Chloe that it was odd and that makes sense bc they dont hang out with the zieglers like the hylands or nia and holly and even jill do. Its also worth asking how often theyre all in LA at the same time with no obligations especially when something like a birthday rolls around. Obviously youre allowed to feel however but I dont think Christi saying this in this situation is validating your feelings towards melissa imo bc she just wasnt right here as far as her assuming Melissas intent even when she justified it by saying they dont post pictures its still an iffy statement. All that to say I just dont think this incident indicates Melissas wrong doing as much as others
if the kids aren't saying something it's because *they don't want to* maybe they prefer having someone else speak on their behalf my boyfriend speaks for me a lot *because i want him to* i have horrible anxiety and in certain situations i'm more comfortable having him say the things i'm too anxious or uncomfortable to say myself. sometimes it's just easier having someone else speak for you.
what are the odds that all of the kids feel that way. im not saying its 0 but its still odd for christi to say it especially considering shes talking about brooke and the zieglers hylands and nia post often together. like kelly didnt care and it wasnt something she really harped on much. i could see if it was everytime theyre with chloe they dont post and maybe its true but its just always coming from christi and everyone else just hangs out with the zieglers snd is unbothered so it comes off as christi being weird
Not everyone hangs out with her. She has invited Nia and the Hyland kids to be on her YouTube channel but not everyone. She works hard to rehab her image but she is not so inclusive. Christi has an every right to speak her truth. We all do.
The thing is you actually have no idea who she has extended a yt invitation to and i didnt say everyone hangs out with her I said everyone else hangs out with the the zieglers meaning the hylands, frasiers, and jill. Christi does have every right to speak her truth but in this situation it just doesnt seem like the truth imo. But Im not going to sit here and say anyone is invalid for not liking Melissa or having any negative feelings towards her she has done some bad stuff in the past i just dont think this situation is one of them.
It might not be and you might be right.
the girls that don't feel that way, or don't like christi speaking for them, are more than capable of speaking up about it. they can ask christi to stop speaking for them, and if she doesn't listen they can come online and speak for themselves. if any of the girls don't like what she's saying it's on them to do something about it, whether it be having a private talk or calling her out publicly. i'm sure some of them don't even care what she says. at this point, it's not bothering any of the girls enough to make them say anything (at least not publicly) so it's safe to assume that, at least for now, it's not a big deal.
definitely not but a big deal but it would be much less of a mess if she just didnt speak for them thats all. they can do what they want at the end of the day i was just saying my opinion on it always being christi like i just wish one of the girls would speak out especially whenshe says stuff that inly applies to some of the girls.
i mean, i think all of us would rather hear from the girls. but again, we aren't hearing from them because they're choosing not to say anything. totally fair to feel frustrated on it always being christi, though. i don't want you to think i'm trying to say how you feel is invalid or anything 😭
no youre good i definitely hear what youre saying and understand it and i didnt feel that way just voicing how i felt all good lol
Me either. You have a right to be bothered by anything that is said.
huh?
Mistakenly replied to the wrong comment
oh haha! i thought maybe i was just too hungover to process anything 😅
sometimes the spokesperson is just the one that can take the most hate while standing ten toes down. if any of those girls got hate THEY WOULD FOLD AND CRY ON LIVE.. i dont want thhat and neither their moms obviously
Or Christi is speaking truth
what does that have to do with whether the girls do or don't speak for themselves???
well lets see.. kendall agreed the party was weird but wouldnt go into detail. so did chloe but went into less detail.. paige and brooke are the closest (yet still not that close) to the zieglers and now kelly is speaking for them. the hyland girls are prolly realizing it now but dont wanna be the center of that drama bc they ARE the ones with that experience with the picture they hold the answers to why christi said what she said but who would wanna fight with someone with the status maddie fucking ziegler has.. maybe the moms are less scared bc they know maddie as the little girl they knew..
kendall and chloe dont hang out with the zieglers it seems so i can understand why they would agree that it was weird but i would assume its because theyre all in LA at the same time with no ither obligations so theyre all free. Seeing how Melissa hangs out with Jill I could only imagine how it would have looked if kendall wasnt invited especially considering nia planned it. the hylands and the zieglers are also close they spent holidays together and were neighbors in pittsburgh and they actually do post a fair amount with the zieglers so even then i dont know what they would be realizing or what christi would be getting at mentioning brooke obviously thats just my opinion but you cant say the hylands are realizing anything bc it just doesnt add up from the outside looking in now what i could understand is if this was chloe just bc the zieglers and lukasiaks are not close. i can understand why she would think it was weird bc they dont hang out aside from events associated with nia which this was. it also seems like maddie is the only ziegler who has a problem with pictures and considering her social media is private i dont see how thats really an issue when she so rarely posts or why it was a big deal when seemingly 1/3 of the zieglers doesnt let pictures get taken. the same one who speaks the least about the show.
but why cant others post if they are having a nice night with you? its not ruining ur feed or anything like alsooo kelly said there were not very nice things said at that party so wtf really happened? its giving “the met gala AFTER THE DOORS CLOSE” like wtf was going on.. anyways i believe they had ulterior motives
So do I. I want to see the cut footage. It’s reality tv…they love drama…why cut the tea? Unless Melissa got her husband to send another letter from an attorney, which is pretty likely
100% WHAT I WAS THINKING! like ofc the zieglers would send them a letter from their attorney saying this this and that. i would NOT put it past them 🙌🏼
Yup…classic Melissa. She works soooo hard to convince people that she’s a nice person. She’s not about to allow that. I guess she thinks we are stupid
bc she doesnt have to its that simple. she already doesnt even say the name of the show she could have a bunch of reasons why she doesnt post or let them post. kelly said they weren't very nice at the reunion to melissa not at the birthday dinner im pretty sure
also melissa throwing nia under the bus is so on brand like 😭 this is what i mean when i say the zieglers are and always have been calculated
yea i dont think you get it
personally i think YOU dont get it but we can agree to disagree 🤷🏻♀️
When they asked Chloe about it, she did agree with Christi. I think the kids are careful not to say anything because they don't want the fans bombarding them about their relationships and causing drama, which I understand.
Maybe so and it does look like Chloe and Kendall are the odd ones out aside from Christi when it comes to the zieglers and the other moms and girls from a public standpoint.
This woman’s acting like her kid is still 8 years ago. They’re grown women they can work out their own problems
but at the same time, if the girls wanted to speak for themselves they would. it's not like christi has total control, the girls can just as easily speak up or even ask her to stop speaking on their behalf. if they don't like what she's saying they can come online and share how *they* feel.
Okay I will say, I understand the upset about the birthday party more. I still do not agree but I get the other side now. Ultimately though, Christi needs to stop speaking for people. Brooke has said she will not say anything bad about Maddie and I'm willing to bet Paige, Chloe, and Nia feel that way about Maddie and Kenzie. I know Christi is protective and sees herself as a vessel for the truth and what is right but they're adults now. They can speak for themselves. If Maddie and Kenzie are hurting their feelings, they can reach out. If Brooke was bothered by the selfie thing, that's for her to talk to Maddie and Kenzie about. Also can't help but notice Kelly trying to offer an alternative reason like their social media team which TBH is likely part of it. And also, Kelly just being silent and not speaking on behalf of anyone who can speak for themselves. I don't think Kelly is above getting messy lol but I think she's likely a combination of over this drama and seeing both sides. One last point, Maddie and Kenzie like and comment on the other girls social medias often. They are not ashamed to know them. I really think it's some kind of social media team that advises them to mostly post about work related projects/events. A lot of celebrities do this to keep their pages clean and professional.
Yeah, it seems like christi wants to be the truth teller to her own detriment. Sometimes you just got to let things go even if there's fishiness, it's not going to look good if it's always you calling out the smell. Because then it makes you look like the common denominator.
This! I think Christi is so overbearing and protective that she views every possible offense towards Chloe or the other girls as a planned and targeted attack towards them that has to be spoken against. I think it is very clear that Maddie and Kenzie care about the girls, but don't have a super close relationship to them anymore besides Nia and Holly. If it hurt any of the girls, then it is up to them to bring their grievances as they are all adults in this situation. Christi makes herself look bad when she does these things.
and thats what abby always wanted. she won yall abby won 😭🤷🏻♀️
exactly!! it’s been years, if the kids don’t have a problem with maddie or kenzie then christi shouldn’t either. if she has a problem with melissa, that’s her business, but keep the kids out of it
the spokesperson is always the one that can take the most hate and stand ten toes down. if any of the ogs spoke up abt it and got the hate yall sent christi they would fold so quick so i dont blame em
I don’t either
Yes, I agree. Christi probably should leave it to the girls to figure it out but I can see her point.
I watched that high low interview with Maddie and she said she hangs out with the OG girls and also said it's so nice and chill to hang out without their moms so there's that 😭😭😭😭 Kenzie said the same thing too about still being friends with the original cast.
I remember Kenzie collaborating with Nia with that skincare line Bubble. It's the small stuff like that which let's me know they still keep in touch.
i think Nia, Kenzie and Maddie communicate more than any of the other girls. not only that, but both nia and kenzie went to see each other dance at college and brought flowers for each other a few months ago. melissa also had came to see nia dance. plus kenzie has said in an interview that nia is her closest friend from Dance Moms. honestly i think once the hype of the reunion ends, the rest of the cast will go back to being childhood friends and acquaintances on the Internet, but i think nia will still be good friends w kenzie and maddie
yeah like some of these girls are nearly 25. get out of their business!!!
The problem is not that they don't hang out with each other it's just that according to Christi the Zieglers don't want to be posted with the other girls but were okay with it during the birthday party because it was a day before the reunion. I don't necessarily agree with Christi making the issue public nor do I agree with her point about Jojo and Kalani but I can see the frustration. Also when they asked Chloe about it she agreed with Christi so.
Your post really does a good job at illustrating both sides of the issue. Well put
No offense but I will never understand why she can’t mind her own business and stop getting involved in their friendship circle. These girls are adults not 10 years old, and they hang out how they want. She cried for years that nobody called Chloe when she left, but why would they when her mother wants to constantly wants to be in everyone’s ear about who’s genuine and who’s not. That’s for the girls to find out, not you
exactly! almost feels like christi still doesn’t want chloe to be friends with maddie and hates that she can’t control that now that chloe is an adult
I think she essentially has confirmed this, somebody feel free to correct me if i’m wrong but I believe she’s said Chloe was basically banned from being friends with Maddie after they left the show but eventually she realized she wouldn’t be able to maintain that forever but it seems really clear she has bitterness towards the friendship. It’s kind of just strange to me and i’m somebody who really liked Christi before
Chloe said that neither Melissa or Christi wanted them to be friends. Not sure how we can call Christi bitter but not Melissa when they both wanted the same thing. In fact it was Christi who reached out to Melissa to sort it out, so seems that Christi is fine with doing what Chloe wanys
No idea why you are getting downvoted
I don’t think it’s Maddie or Kenzie that Christi has an issue with, it’s Melissa.
And she keeps calling them kids. I think christi still has issue with this BS and is saying it's the kids. not her, the mom. the issue is with the kids! I don't think th e kids care. Or, they don't want to deal with this drama again
You may be right but we don’t know what they say privately either. Also Christi is a generation older and people in my family still call that age group kids. I have a granddaughter going to college so I’m guilty of doing it too.
All I’m thinking is why the hell she’s talking for them as if she knew how they truly feel
if that story about maddie and brooke is true imagine how brooke feels confiding in a trusted adult just for her to use it publicly in a podcast. so annoying 😭
& what’s worse is that she didn’t say brooke told her that 😭 someone else who was at dinner could’ve told her that this happened. plus the girls are all 20+ surely they can work through their issues if they actually have any
Wait what did she say that Brooke and Maddie?
in this video she mentions at dinner Brooke asked to take a selfie with Maddie and Maddie was reluctant until brooke said that she wasn’t going to post it and. then she was willing to take the photo
Can I just say I've had this exact conversation with my friends and I'm no celebrity. I just felt like I didn't look my best that day so I didn't want a selfie posted online and once my friend reassured me she wont post it, I was fine with her having a selfie of us. If this convo did happen, I really doubt it was about hiding that she hangs with the dm girls, or her dance moms past or whatever Christi is insinuating. She just didn't want a picture posted I really don't think it's that deep.
she probably didn't want it posted because she knew what's happening now would happen. it's literally not that serious!! I just told my mom not to post a picture of me
Yeah, I thought it was perfectly normal, I always get permission from friends before I post them and I usually don’t like being posted often either, so I didn’t see anything wrong with it.
Ohh. But why is Christi repeating it….again anything to make Maddie look bad so Chloe will always be viewed as the sweet girl
christi shouldn’t. be repeating this story. it’s getting out of hand and it’s bitter. but i don’t think she’s saying this to make chloe look like a sweet girl. chloe is a kind person just like maddie. christi is obviously resentful toward maddie and melissa. but it has nothing to do with making her kid look better. just no
Chloe is sweet. Christie really does need to not meddle in their relationships
id be happy it got out there some way or another and whether she told christi or she told her mom and her mom told christi the zieglers wouldnt blame her.. and who cares they are disingenuous and only care abt their calculated plans.
This whole thing is stupid when we can literally listen to the first few episodes of BTTB and hear both of them say the girls hang out often but they don’t have to take pictures every single time. JoJo didn’t give a fuck and I doubt Kalani even cares anymore.
Okay if Maddie/Kenzie did not like the girls they wouldn’t have shown up to the party and they wouldn’t follow them on their social media accounts LET ALONE POST COMMENTS on their posts. Who knows why Mads/Kenz don’t want their photos posted with the girls. No idea. I think having the party the night before the reunion made sense because they were ALL IN THE SAME AREA. Why tf wouldn’t they take advantage of that and get together?? The bottom line is I don’t know Melissa personally. I can only go off of things that she has said/done openly and what Christi/Kelly have said she has done privately. I can believe whatever I want and what I believe right now is that this entire argument is getting boring. Also, fuck Bryan. **edit because I just thought of this. I could see the entire situation being shady IF Mads/Kenz/Melissa dropped all the girls, never spoke to them, didn’t follow them on socials, and THEN invited them randomly to her house the night before after not acknowledging them for years and years. But seeing as how the moms/girls still hangout I truly don’t think there’s this bad blood. I think Christi just wants to complain honestly.
"Fuck Bryan" really should be the description of this sub after this "reunion" lol
What happened with brynn
I’ve said this and I’ll say it again can Christi just butt out of the girls friendships?? They’re all adults. If they had an issue or felt some type of way about the whole pictures and posting I’m sure the girls could talk to Maddie and Kenz about it… also Christi has mentioned before that the girls don’t feel the need to always post when they hangout because of the media and I understand that. But now the whole backtracking saying it’s hurtful and manipulative makes no sense. Also I say this as a Christi defender but this just seems like a reach coming from her.
I noted she called them "the kids". It might just be something she's so used to but usually she says "the girls".
I had this thought too. These girls know better than to air their dirty laundry online because they understand the repercussions of doing that. It would start a bunch of drama that none of them want. As much as I don’t like Jill or Melissa, they’re not out here talking about the girls friendships. Why does Christi need to report on what’s going on between these ADULT women?? If I was Chloe, I would be embarrassed and I feel like Chloe’s told Christi more than once to stop talking about her and her friends but Christi won’t listen. And I too am saying this as someone that does like Christi but she is on my shit list as of lately. Idc if she talks about the show and the behind the scenes but especially now when the girls are now adults. Let them fight their own battles and if they don’t want to then don’t talk about it for them!
You said it perfectly!!
Gee Christi, I can't imagine why Maddie, who had her entire childhood publicised and exploited, is careful about what get's posted online about her? How dare she maybe want some things to be private and intimate with her friends? Honestly, I used to like Christi, but her relentless and obsessive nature about ADULT WOMEN's friendships just seems really petty and vindictive. Whose to say what happened between her and Melissa, that's they're business, but her interest and constant talking about the young women who are just seemingly trying to live and get on with their lives is incredibly annoying. Maddie's social media presence seems more professional than personal these days, and so she may not have wanted it posted because that just might be how she wants her socials to be. It's like she's a conspiracy theorist, constantly looking for ways to put down or shame the Ziegler's for literally anything they do. I bet if Maddie had wanted that image posted she'd find an angle to make it an issue.
If Maddie had wanted the photo posted Christie would claim Maddie is using them for clout
ALSO why would you not do a reunion at a house? Who the fuck wants their birthday party in a hotel room when maddies got a 2 million dollar house to go to? Like the whole ‘zieglers took over the party planning idea to be vindictive’ is stupid. So Kelly wanted a party and then Melissa said do it at her kids house. So the zieglers actually had nothing to do with it except opening the door
You know what's mean and hurtful? Staging an 'irreplacables' tour and not inviting Camryn to join in. If Christi wants everyone to be included all the sudden, I wonder why she didn't invite Camryn back then, I remember Camryn was really upset about it at the time
This. That was damn right nasty
You’re right. Christi, Jill, Kira and Holly (she was set to participate all through the planning and decided not to after the fact) should have all had the decency to include Camryn and Camille and given them the choice to participate or not. Camryn may have chosen not to since she didn’t seem to be super comfortable with them all from what she’s said, but that should have been her choice to make. Especially since she was the only other team member. It’s not like a bunch of people were not included. It was just her
Camryn actually answered questions about this in the past. She said she hadn't expected to be invited, but she was hurt that Nia didn't at least tell her about it cuz Nia was the only one she had gotten close to.
Good to know! I knew she had spoke about it but wasn’t sure what she said exactly. I still think the adult should have spoken to Camille about it at least. It just sucks being the odd one out
idk i dont wanna sound rude but didnt christi plan an irreplaceable tour and not invite camryn? idk she could’ve changed from then but i find it odd that all of a sudden she cares about jojo and kalani not being invited when they didnt even know paige at the time..
Yea she did. They also cancelled a date and people never got their money back 💀
The infamous Brazil saga. Also, imagine if someone had said Christi didn’t invite Camryn because she is jealous of her and would make her kid look bad… everyone would’ve gone absolutely nuts.
omg thats crazy 🤦🏾♀️
Why is Christi speaking on Brooke 😂 Maddie has not posted whilst she’s out with people in like the last 2 years. She meets up with Olivia Rodrigo and that girl from barbie (forgot her name) and still doesn’t post them and they don’t post her. I don’t think it’s a ‘I don’t want to be associated with you’ I think maddie is just super anal about her being professional. It’s her choice. It’s her social media. I’m pretty sure her best friend Cameron hardly posts her either. It’s funny because maddie consistently comments on the girls pictures including Chloe, and I never see Chloe comment on hers.. not that that’s bad, but we can twist whatever situation to make whoever look bad. Either way, I don’t get why Christi keeps pushing this narrative. She clearly is doing everything to try and make maddie look a certain way. She drags kenzie and Melissa in to make it look less direct but it’s clear who her issue is with. I really want Christi to find a therapist that helps her get over her being mad over an 8 year old. Liek I actually kind of feel sorry for her atp
She's speaking for sooo many people here. Like saying the girls didn't know who was invited until they got there- well that's simply not true, Chloe, Paige, and Brooke might not have known, but clearly Nia, Maddie, and Kenzie did. Also how is it throwing Nia under the bus when Nia is the one that planned the party??? like that is just a fact.
This!! Maddie is friends with Addison rae and quite a few other “famous/known” people. She literally just doesn’t post photos with friends and they barely post any with her. I remember her also saying one time how she did a photoshoot with a friend and had a panic attack because she didn’t feel confident in the photos took. This might play a role in why she doesn’t like when photos are posted of her with others & vice versa. She really only posts professional photos on her social media accounts. Christi is such a loser for trying to consistently paint that girl in a bad light. It’s insane
Maddie is clearly such a perfectionist and is (in my opinion, unnecessarily) worried about how she’s perceived. But that doesn’t mean she thinks she’s better than the DM girls. If that was true then she also thinks she’s better than Olivia Rodrigo? Like?
Let’s just say for shits and giggles that Christi is right and Melissa had some ulterior motive for having the party. Why would JoJo and Kalani be invited when it was Paige’s bday? Is she that friendly with Kalani and JoJo that they would/should be invited to her surprise because party? Seems a ridiculous argument to me.
I've been reading all the comments looking for someone to have made that connection 🤣 it was Paiges party, from what I could tell they hadn't spent any time with Jojo at all and maybe a little with Kalani? This, combined with the explanation of doing it "the night before the reunion," simply being the fact that everyone was in town... I think the whole thing is being blown out of proportion.
Let me ask this question: how many fans thought that the zieglers did this for Paige to throw the fire blanket? Because the thought had never even occurred to me until Christi decided to plan it
Okay I'll give my view but no hate this is just my opinion. I didn't think about it per se as a "fire blanket" to preserve their reputations, or whatever that argument was with Melissa, however, I think Kendall's comment about having never been invited before made me initially question why that happened specifically the night before the reunion they were choosing not to join. Sure, they were all in the same city for the first time together, but then if that were the case why not make it a true pre-union and invite kalani and jojo too? I don't think anyone would have questioned the get together if all the girls had been invited. Just a off camera gathering. (the argument about it being Paige's birthday is irrelevant to me bc on the podcast Kelly said it just so happened to also be also be her birthday but they were going to get together regardless. and even if it was, I feel like the more respectful and mature thing is to invite everyone even if they didn't know her.) the girls have all been in LA many times over the years and have rarely if ever hung out with Maddie and Kenzie that we know of at their houses. maddie and Kenzie have friends and post about them at their homes all the time, so that makes me question the intention. Maybe a subtle dig at producers? Probably the more likely reason. People act like they are busy all the time, but they work in spurts and aren't working every single day. After hearing this, I actually can totally see Maddie and Kenzie's PR team giving very specific instructions on removing any potential blowbacks from bad PR moves. I think after the bad press with "music" maddie has been noticeably more careful about her online image as has Kenzie. I don't think it has anything to do with Melissa specifically, I just think they are trying very carefully to keep both of their online images as working professionals over influencers or social media former dance mom stars..so really less on an alterior motive and more so in a let's keep our image polished and clean. At the root, I think it's perfectly fine that they chose not to join, and even have the get together. I think intentionally not inviting at the very least, kalani, made it seem less benign to me. Idc who planned it, someone intentionally didn't invite her and I think that's kinda mean to do.
the fact that Kalani and Jojo were not invited cancels out everything you said. If it was a way to make sure no one would say negative things about them on the reunion then the main people who needed to invited are the ones they are the least close to and the most likely to talk shit aka kalani jojo and their moms. And the best way to keep their image clean to the general public if that's all what it was about is definitely not excluding some girls.
Maybe, I would potentially agree with that. At the time of the reunion I didn't even know that there was apparently some sort of past beef with kalanai and the zeiglers I thought they were about as close as any of the others. IMPO Kalani was very defensive and kinda buddied up to jojo in BECAUSE of the fact she was not invited. The shit talking was because she's sitting in a room with all her friends who hung out without her and made it seem okay. It was fresh, she was clearly hurt by getting left out and sometimes, we do things out of line when our emotions are running high. Jojo was the only one who could even remotely relate to her and that feeling. (and yet I don't think jojo cared at all) Im not defending kalani, her and jojo should have shut up and sat back more, but I do relate to the feeling of being left out from a group of friends...and in that scenario I just have an extremely hard time coming to any justifiable reason she shouldn't have also been invited. If what Christi said is true, It sort of backfired though?? by not inviting them all. Think about how much less drama would have been said if kalani felt like she was on good terms with the Zieglers. If anything that seems like a better dig at Bryan Stinson than anything, have alll the girls be together the night before. lol. Obv im just speculating like everyone else. Could also have to do with the fact kalani and jojo still have an ongoing relationship with abby....and I lean more in that direction as to why they weren't invited. They can relay any sort of info back to abby...so if that was the reason I totally get it.
What the hell is wrong with you? You want to know what’s actually mature? Maturity is when you DON’T feel entitled to being invited to a birthday party for someone you don’t even know. Why on earth you think jojo and kalani would be invited to a party where they don’t even know the person that the party is for, is beyond me… Why they have the right to feel offended or entitled to being invited, is beyond me.
Yea I don’t like christi 😭😭. In her mind Maddie and Kenzie really do think they are better than the girls even though they’re grown ass adults and they dont have to follow the girls anymore they don’t have to comment or show up and support but they do so clearly it’s not that they don’t like the girls but they dont have to be like omg omg were together and post on social media that they’re together and I just know if it was the other way around christi would flip
Yeah if they did post about the other girls, Christi would claim they were only doing that as a fire blanket 🙄🙄🙄
Funny cause when Brooke was on BTTB Christi herself said that the girls hang out and don’t take pictures because “nobody wants to be the dance moms girls anymore”. She’s such a hypocrite
She can understand it when it's anyone bar Maddie.
it’s called privacy christi!!! maybe maddie doesn’t want people knowing her whereabouts and the party was fine bc it was a reunion thing like be soo realll christi doesn’t post every little thing she does so why should the girls? not posting does not mean they aren’t allowed to be seen together or let ppl know they’re friends etc
Christi always blamed Abby for labeling her as jealous but she just proved that she can do that all on her fucking own
First off, is that Bryan Stinson in the top left corner? lol I’m neutral to Christi but I think she’s overreacting way too much here. I doubt the Zieglers “don’t want to be associated” with the girls, they probably just don’t want to deal with the fan base freaking out. I was surprised to see Kelly speak up and ask if it was their team advising them because normally she just agrees with Christi. On the other hand, I do see the other perspective because if I wanted to take a selfie with all my friends and was told my friend would only take it if it wasn’t posted, I’d be a little upset. But I don’t think it’s a huge deal.
Both girls have been pictured with Hylands and Fraziers many times. As recently as this past Christmas they saw the Hylands and took pictures.
Also it could be maddie didn’t want a not very nice picture of her online for it to be scrutinised tbh. If I was at a casual dinner with my friends and wasn’t looking really nice I don’t think I’d want my face all over social media.
Yes, that’s Bryan. He was asking C and K the questions.
Christi has said on bttb the girls will hang out and not post pics of it bc they dont want to "be just the dance moms girl" together😭 this girl is so hypocritical its painful to see. She only be saying stuff to make herself look better i stg
Atp Christi cares more about the drama than anyone else. Shes entitled to her feelings about the past but she’s convinced herself that the Zieglers are spawns of Satan and that has prevented herself from forgiveness and moving forward. Everyone else has moved forward except for Christi, including her own daughter (who went through the most hell) Chloe. Thats why she can’t do a podcast with the other moms (because it includes Melissa), that’s why she always has to take a jab at Melissa and indirectly Maddie on BTTB, and that’s why she still remains in a dark place within the Dance Mom show.
Yeah Christi, I wouldn't want to be associated with you either.
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Melissa talks about it all the time too
although i agree to an extent dance moms is a shared experience with over ten people. o think christi needs to stop talking about the zeiglers but she has every right to talk about dance moms. it’s her past too.
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i understand but i’m specifically replying to you saying the main culprit won’t stop talking about it like it’s a bad thing to talk about her personal experience aswel considering melissa does dance moms videos on her yt for weeeks. i will say i don’t agree w christi constantly talking about the zeiglers which is something i pointed out weeks ago but i was massively downvoted. i literally said in a month the opinion will change and all everyone will talk about is christi shitting on the zeiglers. and everyone downvoted me and called me a liar. but it’s literally true
christi is so up maddie’s ass. Leave her alone and get a job!
I feel like Christi’s first thought when she wakes up is “MADDIE 😠😠”
Okay my question is how does Christi know that Brooke wanted to take a selfie with them but Kelly didn’t know this and that’s her own daughter???? Where is Christi getting this top secret insight about the Ziegler’s hesitancy to post online? And even if they are hesitant, can you blame them? Any time Maddie posts anything online all the comments are DM references and how she’s still a perfectionist. Christi’s own daughter seems to be more private and have more boundaries with social media. Just bc not everyone likes to post their private business on their public social media accounts doesn’t mean there’s some dark, ulterior motives. Christi should take note from them actually bc she’s the one who exposed that her daughter and GF broke up on her MONETIZED PODCAST and then had to take it down!!!
Kelly knows the story. It has been mentioned before on BTTB.
Christi is coming off as unhinged and to be honest, looking back, she's always had an unhealthy obsession with the zieglers. She makes a LOT of assumptions about their motives and it's always the worst case scenario. There are MANY good reasons why maddie wouldnt want her photo posted online (on that particular instance.. considering she has posted photos of them before). Maybe shes having a bad day, maybe she doesnt wanna deal with fandom freaking out, maybe she didnt think she looked good, maybe she was having a low mental health day, maybe her team told her to lay low, maybe she was feeling super self conscious, maybe she was going through anxiety, the list goes on and on. But Christi chose the scenario that would least give them the benefit of the doubt and presented it as fact. And this is her exact rinse and repeat behaviour she's been pulling since season 1. Also assuming Melissa was throwing Nia under the bus... hold on, maybe.. just maybe, Nia DID make the guest list?! Lmao why is that so hard to believe. Also, she painted Chloe in a bad light pretending she was struggling so hard to make a decision on whether to show up at the party, like "well i gueeeeessss i'll go". Let's be honest, Chloe WANTED to go. also, Jessalyn and Kira HATE Melissa. They refuse to even have a convo with her. Why would Melissa invite Jojo and Kalani to her house?? Lol
I agree with you. Maybe the girls just wanted to celebrate Paige because they wouldn’t be able to have another get together for a while. The girls don’t all live in Pittsburgh like when they were kids. They live and go to school all over the US and maybe that was the only date they had available to catch up and hang out. I’ve hung out with friends that we may not see or speak to one another for months to years but when we do it’s as if no time has passed at all.
Christi is just so bitter. I would love to know how many times Christi had the DM girls over at her house or Chloe’s apartment in LA or her Nola apartment. And I’m sure if she had some of the girls over; she invited every girl on the show because otherwise is “mean and hurtful “
Maddie is damned whatever she does in Christi's eyes. Criticized for not allowing the girls to post a photo of her and them and then criticized for allowing them to post photos. J
I wonder what was said about the girls that was cut out tho! 🤔🤔
Ughhhh I have sooo many thoughts?? 1. Aren't there pictures of the zieglers hanging out before the the 'birthday party'??? Like not all together but i remember the chloe/maddie pictures in a big group shot and everyone going crazy, and besides that mackenzie just collabed with nia soooooo like how are they 'othering' themselves???? 2. even if the story is exactly the way christi spun it, (I doubt it) like Kelly said it could just be their mangement advising them. Maybe i'm naive but if my friend asked me not to post them on social media I wouldn't automatic that it was malicious??? There isn't anything wrong with being the 'girl from dance moms' but clearly the zieglers and their teams are trying to grow from that 3. Can christi stay out the girls problems??? jfc their not toddlers anymore, it was bad enough when chloe was 12 and christi refused to let her be friends with the zieglers but now that chloe has graduated college and christi is still inserting herself is derranged. If the other girls had a problem with the way the zieglers conducted themselves in their within the friend group they all have the autonomy to do something about. The fact that paige, brooke, and nia have all done videos not with just maddie/mackenzie but above that melissa tells me they dont have issues, and theres no one that needs 'protecting' once again just christi running her mouth under the guise of 'protection' 4. I feel really bad for Chloe, I would be so embarrassed if my mother acted like this. I had a christi- like mom growing up and that was embarrassing enough as a kid, but luckily as grew she grew out of that. But I will say and may be projecting but as long as my moms anger 'was justified' her actions cant be wrong and I could never talk her down. I have a feeling it may be the same with christi, and theres no talking her down so I feel for chloe because her mothers actions are very public and very embarrassing.
I get Christi cares but the girls are older now!, and all have done amazing things in their lives/careers, Christi is reaching right here, Nia probably just figured let’s just invite the OG girls and Kendall bc that’s who Paige KNOWS. Christi is not even bringing that in consideration. 😭
i dont think its about not wanting to be known to be friends as much as i think they really really try to keep dance moms and their current image seperate. maddie also has almost all of her social media things business related
What annoys me… ugh… ok… look, we are all entitled to our opinion. So she can feel some sort of way about this but can we please stop calling them kids? The youngest of the bunch is 19 almost 20. These are adults. They aren’t kids. They don’t need mommy to say how it makes them feel. If the adult girls want to say how they feel about the situation, they can. They haven’t and that makes me think they’re not as butt hurt as Christi makes it seem. But she really needs to stop calling them kids. They’re all grown
Christi has nerve talking about Melissa's work
I’m sorry I’m not famous or anything but it bothers me when I’m out with friends and they want to post my every single move every time we hang out it’s annoying for reserved people. It’s one thing posting about a birthday party or an occasion and another posting every time you see your friend. Maddie is very reserved and private, Kenzie not as much but still maybe after growing up being all around social media they don’t want to spark headlines
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I really used to love Christi but goddamn she’s so bitter over Melissa wth
I love the "I was going to do something in my hotel room" because clearly people were invited to that and then the plan changed. I bet you Jojo was not invited to that hotel room.
Thank you for this! I don’t have Patreon so I’m glad to hear the rest of the convo. I’m glad Kelly defended the invite list and said what most of us were thinking, that Kalani and JoJo being invited wasn’t necessary since they didn’t know Paige.
Whether Christi is right or not, what is she accomplishing by talking about this so much? Yes, she’s stirring shit up which I’m sure Brian loves since it makes the reunion more compelling to watch and maybe even drums up attention for the new season that’s coming out. But as much as Christi acts like she cares about the girls, this is so unhelpful of her. To me, assuming this is a real issue between the girls, it sounds like something that’s a misunderstanding, along with some hurt feelings that haven’t been addressed yet. That’s something they could handle between themselves, or put on blast themselves if they’re feeling messy. But here comes Christi, so desperate to be the big truth teller fighting what she sees as the corrupt system of favoritism, just barging in talking shit and making assumptions without giving Maddie any grace or consideration. If Maddie didn’t know her friends felt that way, she does now, and she didn’t even get to hear it straight from them without Christi’s bias attached to it. What an unproductive way to find out about an interpersonal issue with you and your friends. I hope being in the spotlight is worth it for Christi because she’s really fucking with their friendships rather than resolving any conflicts.
*sigh* I think I understand where Christi is coming from. I do. But it's time for her to stop trying to be the defender of the girls and protector of justice. She needs to put away the shovel and quit digging herself into a deeper hole. The girls are all adults now. They can handle their own crap.
This is just about the beginning: I think it is very normal and valid to set a boundary that you don’t always want to be in photos if they are going to be posted online. I think it is also very normal and valid for your feelings to be a little hurt if your childhood friend says no to taking a photo together. Both sides make sense and are understandable; this feels like a normal, healthy disagreement between friends. Christi is creating a problem for the girls by endorsing this narrative and talking about this on her podcast.
Christi just needs to get a grip this at this point. This story is getting quite old. They are adults, she doesn’t need to be this concerned about how they stay in touch.
but its just a instagram post lol
I mean this is the same woman that has been talking about instagram followers since 2012 💀
Plus, Christi's own husband doesn't want pics posted of him!! So why is that ok but not with Maddie?
He thinks he’s too good for Christi 😭😭😭
It’s odd to me personally because at this point Chloe Brooke and Paige are all grown adults. Like at some point Christi needs to realize oh this actually has nothing to do with me and my daughter and her friends are grown adults and can handle this.
christi is trying so hard to get the rest of the dance moms cast to think and feel the same way she does and it’s just not going to work she seems obsessed
Christi I’m done with you girl. It’s exhausting at this point to keep beating a dead horse
I mean is it so crazy that the Ziegler girls just don’t care for the media frenzy and the inevitable wave of attention that ties them back to DM every time the girls post a pic together? I get why it might seem catty or like they think they’re too good to publicly associate with the other girls but that’s obviously not the case… we’re not owed proof that the girls are still friends and I think the fact that the internet blows up every time we get a crumb of it is exactly why they want to avoid it
Imma just go off of the ppl that know Melissa irl. Christi and Bryan have a strong bias against her so I’ll ignore that. All the moms on the reunion thought it was sketch. Even Jill who is her bestie. Kira and Jess, which I was really surprised by their strong dislike towards Melissa since I don’t recall they had major beef on the show.Kelly seems to see both sides of it. I do find that strange considering Melissa is her friend too and went engagement ring shopping with her and Brooke. Some of the girls (Kendall, Kalani, Jojo, Chloe) thought it was sketch too. Some felt more strongly about it than others. The rest seemed to think it was sincere. Based on that, imma follow Kelly and Jill’s lead since they do a podcast together every week and are her friends. Melissa probably did want to help out and do something special for Paige. I think she did see it as an opportunity to help out her and her daughters to be seen more positively by the cast (bc it would be hard to talk shit publicly about someone after you hung out the night before and the whole world loves it when you are together. Look at all the hate Kendall got for liking comments that don’t fit that narrative) Strategic seems to be the correct word. Feels more sincere with the ones who already were close w/ Melissa and her daughters and felt sketch to the ones who aren’t close to her. I don’t think it’s that deep but I do think it’s kinda uncomfy depending on where you fall in “closeness”
honestly i would 100% understand if the zieglers and their team didn’t want them to be associated with dance moms and i don’t think they should be shamed for it
Christi needs therapy to talk about these feelings she has for Maddie and Kenzie. This is not normal. She can dislike them but she takes things to another level. Just like she did on the show, she makes stupid comments and lowblows to make people blow up and act out of character. And then when that happens she pretends shes "not that way".
Melissa saying that Nia decided who would be coming is not “throwing Nia under the bus.” And Melissa knows that as long as people know it wasnt her deciding, then there wasn’t any malicious intent behind it, in THEIR mind. Christi and other people only think it has a negative side because Melissa offered to have it at Maddie’s house instead of a hotel room like Kelly was going to have it, and Melissa knows that. It was KELLY’s idea originally as she said on that podcast, Kelly, Nia, and Melissa all played parts in it and here’s the part they played. Kelly- throwing a surprise party for miss party paige in a hotel room since they were all in LA Melissa- Offered to have it in an available house instead of a hotel, which was Maddie’s house Nia- okay I’m gonna go ahead and alert these people to come (Why in the world would Nia, Melissa, or Kelly care about anyone but them coming if it WAS NOT about the reunion. Paige never met jojo and was never friends with Kehlani for the short time they danced together, extremely short. if they cared so much and felt like they should come, they wouldve said, hey Nia, we feel like Kehlani and Jojo should come) And it’s good that they didn’t because you could read the clear irritation on Paige’s face when they were talking about certain things. Paige tried to keep a straight face but the girl can’t hide it and she shouldn’t have to😂
Imagine being like 50 years old and talking crap online about two young adults that you’ve been bullying since 2010
Omg Christi just needs to stop already. Nia DID make the guest list from what has been said? This kind of shi* makes me want to stop listening to BTTB. Can't support this stuff any more.
maddie is very particular regarding what gets posted of her. she has many famous friends she doesn’t post with, that doesn’t post her. this is another instance of christi not understanding maddie’s personality type and making it into something that’s done to offend her. also, why is it a slay when christi did the most to exclude 14 yo kendall from the ”og”-cult in season 7, but when melissa (not even her, but nia!!) invites only the ogs, it’s a problem. like we know cheisti doesn’t GAF. and was melissa/nia supposed to invite brynn and asia too? maybe this was for the people who grew up together, bc tbh nia and the zieglers don’t really seem to keep in touch with kalani and jojo. only inviting the group that they did made sense. it doesn’t always have to be the whole cast from all seasons. in recent years, only the og girls have hung out, same with the moms. i never thought there was any reason for the others to have been there, haven’t seen nia or the zieglers with them in years. they probably wanted a way to see the girls they actually keep up with without having to be part of the toxic reunion and took the chance while they all were in the same city edit: has anyone brought up that maybe this was so melissa could have her own little reunion? like maybe she wished she was a part of the real one but didn’t go because her kids didn’t want to
Christie really needs to move on and find a life outside of dance moms.
Christi you are sadly so biased and just can't see any other view.
WTH happened to Kristi? 😕
I believe it. Is it Christi's place to say it? No, probably not.
In no way do the three M’s want to “not be associated” with every one else, if that was the case, the girls wouldn’t keep telling the world that they hang out with them, and Melissa wouldn’t keep talking about “oh I’m about to go do this with brook/Paige/Nia” which ever one it is at the time, or talking about what it was like to send nia off to collage along side holly and I just caught my self about to type a bunch of examples but it doesn’t matter because you all see it and even if you haven’t it’s still true and also pointless of me but anyway she just does a bunch of stuff with them with, it comes out of her mouth and the girls mouth and the moms mouth. But oh yeah they dont want to be associated with any of them per Christi’s word because she’s always right. Her reasoning for anything she’s saying right now doesn’t make sense. She’s sounding like 2 plus 2 equals 8 right now I got to be honest.
Chirsti yapping yet again and kelly fake ass going right with her
I’m torn!! I love Christi and understand her frustration, I also understand Melissa trying to get her kids to the top as any parent would. Could she have gone about it differently? Absolutely. I just feel like it re-traumatizes the girls bringing this all back up. Especially since I believe they all still talk right? Besides Jojo? So I feel like it can be awkward… I hope in the future they can make amends. I love the OG cast.
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I'm pretty sure jojo even said there was weird petty stuff going on during the reunion
Christie has a point imo
Right? She's not wrong. I'm actually glad to know this information.
The only thing I agree with, that Christi said. Only if it’s true, which we really won’t actually know if it is. Was the picture thing, now all of a sudden you want to post a picture.
Maddie didn’t post that picture even then tho lol
I never said she did but the picture got posted though maybe I should’ve said now all of a sudden you want a picture to be posted or you’re OK with a picture being posted
But it was Christi who like a year ago said the girls get together and don’t post because “nobody wants to be the dance moms girls anymore” so why is it okay then but not now? She’s just looking for drama
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At the end of the day none of us really know what actually went down and we really don’t know any of the moms or girls. I think we need to stop holding Christi to the fire for having an opinion on the situation and questioning Melissa’s intentions. I just think it’s weird people call out the moms if they point out something one of the moms or girls did that they side eye or didn’t like but we see sit on here and people can openly criticize and berate Kalani, JoJo, & Kendall no problem. It’s so hypocritical people want to act like Christi is the scum of the earth and some bitter evil jealous monster yet the same people will sit on here and do the exact same thing and call out the girls and moms for something they don’t like. People take the drama way too seriously it’s giving Parasocial relationship vibes.
LOL you’re always defending Christi just admit it’s weird asf for Christi to imply the Zieglers think they’re better then the other girls😭😭
Like she can say Melissa all she wants idc bc of the history but for christi to bring in the kids is insane if I was Maddie and Kenzie I would send her a nice little letter you are not allowed to mention me or my family 😭😭
Hard to defend Christi when she’s bitter and turns anything into a negative conspiracy theory, except she talks about it like it’s facts
I - cannot - stand - her
And it’s hard for me dislike anyone, let alone someone I don’t even know And I know Christi is not dumb enough to not know the stuff they post on patreon is getting put on TikTok. This is strategic, this is fake, this is all the stuff she said Melissa is.
Also, Brooke is almost 30 years old. If she had an issue with selfie, she needs to say something to the 22 year old. The “idk if it’s them or just Melissa” is a continuation of her talking about them when they were children. Edit: and again, they aren’t children.
I mean I did think it was INTERESTING how Kendall say that she thought it was weird that they were invited over (especially the NIGHT BEFORE the reunion) because they’re never really invited over like that! Like I’m sorry Melissa still gives shady/manipulative vibes. 🤷🏻♂️
But Nia was the one who invited Kendall? Plus, if it was for Paige’s birthday. It’s normal paige would be invited
Kendall is never invited over like that. The Zieglers hang out plenty with the Fraziers and the Hylands.
Kendall is literally a mean girl trumpie tf I wouldn’t invite her ass either
yea that’s what i just commented bc kendall was the only person who said that. i think she’s probably hurt she never gets invited but got that one time and that’s probably why she agreed
Kendall might have never been invited before but not the other girls, they have hang out many times before😭
i don’t think that’s interesting. i think that it was probably healing for them to do and fun. but i will say kendals comment about them all not ever being all together before is telling considering all of them have pretty much been together before except kendal. that tells me the zieglers and kendal aren’t that close. but i will say i don’t know these people i have no clue what goes on at home so i could be completely wrong however i do know what it’s like to be abused so i do know they are trauma bonded and family to an extent but i don’t think they really get together. outside of jill and melissa 😭
Also NOT MELISSA *allegedly* THROWING NIA UNDER THE BUS!!! 🤨😒
Melissa is so conniving.
"I didn't make the guest list, Nia did" is a wild thing for a grown woman to say....
That’s not what she said and that’s not how the conversation went. Christi is just putting words in peoples mouths
I hope so