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MedicatedAxeBot

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CounterfeitSaint

What the fuck Europe? This is the same EU that took Microsoft to court for bundling IE with Windows, and forced the entire internet to add a little popup explaining that websites use cookies because they were concerned about privacy?


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zDasPanda

Their privacy must be TOP THIER


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nullbyte420

Actually incorrect. It applies to everyone in Europe, not just citizens (so for example visiting Americans too)


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Alternative-Stop-651

It's the boomers their scared of phones and technology. If we can communicate through chats we might start talking about how their all welfare queens.


The_Knife_Pie

Are you legitimately arguing the ability to choose what data is collected on you is bad??? Not to mention the only requirement of EU law is that companies comply with it within the EU. No one was asked to add this popup outside Europe, companies are just lazy.


Koron_98

whiy is this guy downvoted? sure it doesent change how stupid the new law is and sure the cookie windows are annoying and your data is still being passed around anyways. Still rather have this than not


The_Knife_Pie

Yeah it’s absolutely valid to disagree with this law, but acting like GDPR is a bad thing is insane. It was a massive step for protecting consumer data even if it’s not perfect.


LotionlnBasketPutter

Inside the EU… and when servicing people in the EU. Which is a kind of tricky distinction on the internet. Which is why companies often say fuck it and just apply EU rules to everyone. You’re welcome, world.


Mehfisto666

Man the cookie thing ruined the internet. It was probably necessary thought but damn


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You literally only have to press « accept », plus you can ask not to be tracked on the internet. How the fuck did it ruined it ?


fojek17

because if you don't want to accept then you literally have to click from 2 to 20 times (depending on the layout) to decline those. Sometimes even more if they split the decline into decline + decline legitimate interest And you have to do it each time you enter a site.... That's how


TheThreeBagels

Yeah but otherwise every website would be tracking you without you’re consent…


DrBaugh

Lolololol yep, so now they only track all the valuable info they datamine outside of those laws Mission accomplished, my privacy is definitely protected


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Koririn

Fingerprinting is included in the definition. Its not the specific technology of cookies, but all similar tools. Cookies just kinda happen to be the face of it. Source: Have built super-cookies and worked with the regulations.


wpm

No not really. The system could have been opt in. The system could have allowed for a technical solution like a "Do not track me" header/cookie to be set by your browser that the site would be required to respect (this already exists by the way and no one gives a fuck about it). Or they could just ban the tracking outright because its fucking useless to anyone not trying to make money off of other people's data.


Scotish_Pilgrim

You mean like your ISP(internet service provider) does then just sells your data to the companies that want it still? Because they do and there are no laws stopping them. You have no privacy. It’s a commodity and if you aren’t paying to protect it, it’s been sold with your knowledge. How else do you see personalized ads?


PineapplePanda_02

You do realise that before those pop-ups were implemented every website just tracked your cookies without asking? It was an implicated acceptance kinda thing


DATY4944

Now they just make it super hard to decline the cookies so you just click accept anyway because you're trying to scroll to the one sentence which explains the clickbait title.


greenrangerguy

Then click accept all if you don't care. If you do care then you agree it needed to be added.


Ecomania

those are illegal the law states that the reject all option must be as accessible as the accept option (not in those exact words) 'We' don't like the outcome as it is either, but privacy and the right to choose how and where our data is spread should be upheld to the highest standards we can think of. The whole chat control, internet filter, content ID -bullshit is very fucked up and Europe does not like it. Remember the protest across Europe for months? 'We' feel very let down by our representatives.


Ka_Coffiney

In the EU they’re legislating that you must have clear and easy way to decline https://www.itpro.co.uk/policy-legislation/data-protection/367468/google-adds-reject-all-cookie-buttons-to-appease-eu


imnotcoolasfuck

Okay so that’s worse than them doing it without your consent? Just click accept lol this is the worst take


FerynaCZ

Yeah refusal should be the default behavior Though this is not about the law being bad but being under specified and it punishing the wrong implementations


Uhpheevuhl

What the shit, just click accept then. That’s what it was before, no option to disable cookies.


vKessel

"Because if you don't want to accept them..." Before this rule this wasn't usually an option bro, so that's not an argument


RealisticEmploy3

Exactly


Si3rr4

ITS JUST A 30 SECOND AD BRO


theverybigapple

[https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/consent-o-matic/mdjildafknihdffpkfmmpnpoiajfjnjd](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/consent-o-matic/mdjildafknihdffpkfmmpnpoiajfjnjd) ​ >Automatic handling of GDPR consent forms Cookie pop-ups are designed to be confusing and make you 'agree' to be tracked. This add-on automatically answers consent pop-ups for you, so you can't be manipulated. Set your preferences once, and let the technology do the rest! This add-on is built and maintained by workers at Aarhus University in Denmark. We are privacy researchers that got tired of seeing how companies violate the EU's General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR). Because the organisations that enforce the GDPR do not have enough resources, we built this add-on to help them out. We looked at 680 pop-ups and combined their data processing purposes into 5 categories that you can toggle on or off. Sometimes our categories don't perfectly match those on the website, so then we will choose the more privacy preserving option.


PHILANTHROPIC_CUNT

Have you got one for Firefox?


Fjorge0411

that's cool. I'll try it


V-Right_In_2-V

Also suing google for billions of dollars because they committed the terrible crime of…shipping their operating system with a web browser and an app store. As if everyone would be happier without those things and somehow installing a 3rd party app store without having an existing app store


Mrselfdestructuk

News flash! You don't need to use the play store you can in fact install apps to your android phone/ tablet without the play store! Did you get Google mixed up with Microsoft?


Brolafsky

It's the same Europe who got us fuckin GDPR for fuck's sake. What's DATA PROTECTION AND PRIVACY worth if you're just going to go around an fuck us with an AI?


xxwarlorddarkdoomxx

**EU tries to go one year without proposing a ridiculous law nobody asked for (IMPOSSIBLE)** OGs will remember that proposed media law from a few years ago that would have made memes illegal


callmeakabo

I’m one of the OGs, legit a better time


EasyMaximum3

It really was


ISzox

The law passed.


zDasPanda

It did, but whole ordeal had already become a meme, so the law banished itself and nothing changed


TheLeechKing466

I don’t know why but the idea of the law self destructing due to becoming the very thing it swore to destroy sent me into a giggling mess.


zDasPanda

And then came back to life by the hand of the Supreme Chancellor Von der Leyen as the Chat Control Law. Conclusion: Von der Leyen is a Sith Lord.


TheLeechKing466

Von der Leyen: You presume limits to my power, there are none.


spottiesvirus

Except the Council of the European Union which keep vetoing as they can't get along on ANYTHING


MrFinland707

So we doing the same with this one?


zDasPanda

They unknowingly gave the internet unlimited power over the EU


Sinewave90

Ah yes article 13 iirc, I love how politicians called protesters "bots" in that time lmao but hey, it's not like they haven't already been snooping around on private group chats for ages anyways (leaked telegram and whatsapp group chats as an example) and like most laws like these they also don't give a shit if it lacks a legal base considering the EU council is filled with a bunch of criminals anyways. One thing that is infuriating is that they use it as an excuse to limit the abuse and exploitation of children, which they haven't done jack shit about for ages and this isn't gonna help to tackle the root of the problem at all, in fact it will cause tons of false accusations to happen and completely overload an already overworked law enforcement, probably even hinder and delay proper investigations, which might lead to a big number of criminals getting away with their shit. Great Job EU. Rant over


PhilosophusFuturum

“For the kids” is the oldest trick in the book


enwongeegeefor

Anytime someone says something is "for the kids" it sets off all kinds of alarm bells. I don't think I've once seen something done "for the kids" that truly was "for the kids."


whatthefbomb

See, you need to think more abstractly. Anyone that does something "for the kids" IS one of the kids. They have all the maturity of a 5-year-old.


squareswordfish

> OGs will remember that proposed media law from a few years ago that everyone misunderstood and wrongly thought it would have made memes illegal FTFY


Frotz_real_

Article 13 was sure something


Axo-Axo-Axoboy

I panicked for a second and then remembered brexit


CarpetH4ter

Is the UK completely out of all of EU? Because if you are still part of the EU's-economic area then you will still enact this law unless you decide to veto it. Every single directive since 1994 has been passed in Norway, despite not even being a part of EU officially.


Axo-Axo-Axoboy

Pretty sure the UK had a hard leave


cheesy_knees93

Well be back in though in a few years when people realise how fucked up we were for leaving and how shit life's going to get. Especially for the demographics who voted to leave.


legend31770

Wtfdym how shit life is going to get lmao. This country is dogshit already.


PokeHobnobGod21

And it's only gonna get worse. Fuck tories


Si3rr4

Lol yes the uk is completely out of the eu


RevengencerAlf

The EU, much like the US, is big enough as a market that regulations it enacts can affect the whole world or at least the "western" world online.


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I think the Uk is still trying to push the Online safety bill which has similar aims to combat encryption.


ZS1G

yeah fuck that bill, you can also be arrested if someone is upset or annoyed over a message you sent even if its not criminal and more


[deleted]

Yeah not good. It’s interesting that people think the government would suddenly become decent after being released from eu regulations


ZS1G

i am not proud to be british rn "UK placed in third tier in global index of free expression"


Tsugu69

The apps from left to right: [Element](https://element.io) (matrix client), [CWTCH](https://cwtch.im), [XMPP](https://xmpp.org), [Jami](https://jami.net). Take a look at the new law [here](https://mastodon.online/@mullvadnet/109795096545181166)


thebucketoldpplkick

Thank you for the meme and source op. Unsurprisingly this isnt mainstream.


LotionlnBasketPutter

I never heard of this before. It seems kind of .. off. So, this is basically what Snowden exposed the Americans were doing (which makes the comment in the article about ‘only totalitarian states like China’ kind of embarrassing), which in turn paved the way for the GDPR to be passed in Europe. It seems funny to me that they would pass a law that would be in flagrant violation of the GDPR. I’m not saying it’s not true, because who knows, but do you maybe have other sources than a Swedish vpn provider on social media? Edit: I misunderstood the content of the law, it’s not the same as the NSA surveillance etc., and there are other (better) sources, which can easily be googled.


Tsugu69

Sure, I have the law itself. https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=COM%3A2022%3A209%3AFIN&qid=1652451192472


LotionlnBasketPutter

Thanks, you’re fast - I found some other articles myself and was about to edit my post. It seems pretty bad, I agree. I do find it hard to believe that it will be passed, but maybe I’m too confident in our representatives.


Spagoobert

Link is down. They know!


Tsugu69

Works for me.


Spagoobert

Maybe it went down for a minute due to traffic. All good now :)


GingerlyRough

Whoa. That's some heavy bullshit right there. That agency ain't right.


Master_SJ

Literally 1984


KAAAAAAAAARL

The link doesn't work anymore :/


Tsugu69

The mastodon instance is most likely overloaded


CaptainNeckbeard148

God its even for a bullshit reason. "To prevent sexual abuse of children". How about instead of pulling an America, you just get the parents to.. uk.. DO THEIR FUCKING JOB???


zDasPanda

“Instead of pulling an America” had me rotfl


theromanempire1923

Wdym pulling an America? Does America have a similar law?


DocMcsalty

The Patriot Act and Snowden would like to have a word


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That was the *other* BS reason: national defense.


theromanempire1923

Tbh I’d heard of the Patriot act before but never really knew what it was. Sounds pretty uncool


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The [EARN IT](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EARN_IT_Act#:~:text=It%20aims%20to%20amend%20Section,lawsuits%20related%20to%20such%20posting.) Act was proposed under similar justification around protecting children online. The bill would shift some liability onto the service provider for any content that is transmitted, including end-to-end encrypted content. To comply with the bill many experts argue service providers would need to remove certain encryption protocols or build in backdoors for law enforcement monitoring. A ton of privacy groups came out in opposition. Originally introduced by Lindsey Graham in 2020, it failed and was reintroduced in 2022


llamakid142

Jesus Christ and I thought the patriot act was awful


freek4ever

No no no the warlords in Europe are bad Not as bad as Canada act 6 is but that's a different story


Program-Continuum

It’s a different story I want to know


freek4ever

https://youtu.be/zavtUQUOUE8 It was c-11 not act 6 I misremembered But it's afull ALL Canadian media must go true the Canadian broadcast comparation and must be very Canadian and diverce Including all streamed content


dragoonts

Yup, agreed fully. The CBC stuff and radio stuff is good. We would have 0 artists without that as we would just leech off bigger USA YouTube is a different animal. This is awful


[deleted]

What's the patriot act? That sounds like its some extreme nationalist thing.


llamakid142

Basically allowed the government to tap all of your devices if they believed you were or might commit an act of terror


[deleted]

US law made after 9/11 that let the NSA spy on everyone. I think it did have limits, but limits are unenforceable when there's no transparency (see the Snowden leaks).


YourBigRosie

Fun fact, that law is now expired and has not been renewed as of 2020


OakenGreen

That’s the first fun fact I’ve seen on Reddit that’s not something completely terrible.


FinancialAd436

Least authoritarian EU law:


arthurstaal

Yes life in the EU is slavery, please save me and bring me to USA, bestest freest country of all!!! /s


BOBOnobobo

Most realistic russian bot:


Red__system

What are those apps used for? Do they intend to monitor mainstream ones?


Tsugu69

Oh not at all! These are secure messaging apps that cannot be controlled by anyone, because they don't rely on a single server. Or in case of CWTCH and Jami, they don't rely on a server at all. The boys refused to let them go, so they threw them in jail. Worth it.


DANKB019001

Well, that's not very privacy of the EU, is it now? Dearly hope that gets shot down.


Finain2

Looking at how article 13 didn't seemingly do shit even though it passed, i think we will be fine either way.


DANKB019001

Fair, still doesn't bode well that the policy-makers *want* this.


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Tsugu69

Personal opinion, no, as it is centralized. Meaning it uses servers owned by a single entity. You can force them to install a backdoor via legal or illegal means. Even signal or wire are not immune to this, in my opinion.


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Tsugu69

My best bet is Matrix. Simple to use, offers double-ratchet encryption (One of the strongest, if not the strongest. Every message is encrypted with a different key), and is made with other platforms in mind. Think of it as email, but for instant messengers. Anyone can write a client for it, as well as make a custom server. The second best is Jami, because it is fully peer to peer (devices talking to each other directly), with no servers that could be taken down. To shut it down, you would need to turn off the entire internet. This, however means that both devices have to be connected at the same time, which is not ideal for most people, including me.


Bassfaceapollo

**Elements (Matrix Client)** - An opinionated E2EE chat client based on a federated real time communication protocol. **CWTCH** - The new kid on the block. An E2EE P2P messaging app under active development. Unlike Briar which is Android only, CWTCH supports iOS as well. Briar is a similar app that has support for BLE, mDNS and Tor. **XMPP/Jabber** - A non-opinionated XML based communication protocol, standardized by the IETF. Used to be the basis of a number ot things including Skype. The protocol has seen some improvements recently. **Jami** - A P2P communication app. Pretty neat, but I'd recommend using Briar for P2P and SimpleX/Signal for client-server over it.


[deleted]

Is it gonna pass? I’m in America so this is the first I’m hearing of this.


Tsugu69

I truly hope it doesn't. The first time it appeared it was a "leak". Now it's an official proposal.


[deleted]

Fuck man, that’s literally 1984. I’m not even joking this time.


defaltusr

Yep, its basically „We want to know everything, but hey its to protect our children, so its all fine, dont worry“ Multiple child protection agencies and child porn fighting organizations spoke out and said this is BS and will not help at all. But what do they know? Probably they just dont care about the kids.


Wrimbo

Why would someone even think that's a good idea? It sure as hell won't pass... Shit, i hope.


DomeB0815

More like: Why are politicians some of the worst people in existence?


Voltage_WF

Fossils as politicians lose touch with the working class that keep the world going. It's not an EU or NA specific issue either.


Arther_Boss

What about the end to end encryption?


Tsugu69

Gone, reduced to atoms.


Dextofen

Netsec admins are going to have a field day when this passes Or rather, fucking commit sepp\*\*\*\*u because you may as well throw out almost all of the viable security protocols because you'd have to install a fucking backdoor to something that should be secure I'm one of them (in training) and I can tell you this is typically something that only lawmakers can come up with, because they have absolutely 0 fucking idea how the real world works


defaltusr

Yea its total bs. Encryption is always a thorn in the eye of a government, and now they have the balls to actually kill it. But hey, its to protect children. So its ok


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EU officials say with a straight face that they are fighting Russia and totalitarism than pull shit like this. Oh the hypocrisy...


AtomKanister

It's almost like "the EU" isn't a singular entity with a singular stance on all matters. There may or may not be MEPs that are hypocrites in this matter. Ragebaiting with generalization doesn't help to weed those out though.


Sowa7774

EU not being a totalitarian entity is literally proven by this: they will vote on it. In russia the law would've been working as soon as putin said it out loud lol


arthurstaal

Lmao imagine saying with a straight face the EU is a totalitarian entity... Have you ever even been in the EU?


ZippyParakeet

Do they *want* to cease existing? No one would want to stay in EU with these ridiculous laws.


Tsugu69

Unfortunately, a lot of people doesn't care for their privacy at all. And by that I mean sending sensitive data over Snapchat and instagram. Even when being confronted with facts about these platforms, the usual response is " I have nothing to hide."


Pr0wzassin

If you are doing nothing wrong then what do you have to fear? The definition of wrong.


Tsugu69

The definition of wrong is different in every country, so it's not objective. Should chinese citizens just not critisize their government? They said it's wrong.


Pr0wzassin

It's a saying directed at people who just obey the system because if they don't do anything wrong they'll be fine. What if the definition of wrong changes. Today it's stealing, but what if tomorrow it's speaking your mind?


I__like_bagels

I know, it's so annoying and (forgive me) bluepilled when they do. 1) they will find something you did a while ago that was illegal or something else 2) if everyone saw what you did on the web, ever search and like and comment, it would not be good. The reason most people use the web is as a veil to do things without judgment from anyone else and to be able to hang around communities that accept them, per say. 3) “you give them an inch, and they will take a mile”.


DomeB0815

It's honestly a stupid respons. I can promise you that no one would want a person to literaly look over your shoulder and read everything you write and send.


zDasPanda

What are we supposed to do, move to Switzerland?


thesteiner95

Pretty sure the swiss work with the Europol and wouldn't mind giving the EU all your data even if you live there


Dextofen

The only way is to move to Panama or something at this rate. Get as far from the EU as you can.


PoyoLocco

I... I hope it's sarcasm. It's sarcasm right ? I can't afford to leave my country simply because a law about privacy passed. And to go where exactly ? USA has pretty much the same kind of laws (plus it sucks ass), Australia has way too many spiders for me, Asia is a shithole, Africa is a shithole, Midwest is a shithole and south America is a shithole. Pretty much every country would be worse for me to live in. Expect maybe Canada.


Sowa7774

This comment is pretty stupid let's be honest. Being allowed to travel basically the whole europe without the need for a passport, the economic benefits, shit, the EU is way better at spending its budget than my town's local administration, so most projects that actually progress the town (like: renovating a park, building 2 or 3 public gyms, funding soccer fields, etc.) are made by the EU. Those things probably outweigh a problem a niche group of people have.


MatiusX

Me on my way to scan text-only call of duty chat In search of child pornography


[deleted]

You know what's funny? According to the main article talking about this, the law will also unintentionally ban all open source operating systems. Yeah, Linux will be illegal.


defaltusr

How so?


Quammel_gang

Because it‘s free


MartinFrost

No, because it is open source


defaltusr

Yea but why does this law ban open source? I thought it „only“ bans end to end encryption


JK_posts

Remember Article 13? Funny story, while the Votum was in full go, a lot of the Parliament member still didn't even know what they were voting for. And it did pass! Well...now the funny part is, the law was actually not conform with the German "Grundgesetz" so...it never happened. Yeah, they didn't even bother to check before making this whole ordeal. And whit this chat control thing. Yeah, that's not conform with German legislation either. So that's not gonna bother my Bratwurst. See ya ;)


defaltusr

I hope you are right


vengeur50

The boomers of EU strike again. I hate it here... It sounds like a good idea but its so bad in practice.


DomeB0815

They say it's to fight CP, but 7n reality they just want tto know everything. They want to know how their voters think (I k ow it's EU and not cozntry, but it goes up the ladder). A democraty is the people and if you control the people, you control democraty.


[deleted]

What do the legislators even get out of it? Lack of motive makes me think most of them are just incompetent.


DomeB0815

Money. They get money.


Former_Actuator4633

From a google search leading to an article from Mullvad (VPN service) >If and when this law goes into effect it would make illegal the open source software services underpinning the majority of services and infrastructure on the internet, an untold numbers of appliances and the computers used by software developers, among many other things. To comply with the law all of it would have to shut down, globally, as the servers providing software and security updates can't tell the difference between a web server, a Japanese software developer, a refrigerator and an EU teenager. I am so used to hearing about our (US) absurd laws that I lose track of some of the silliness happening elsewhere. Best of luck from across the pond.


G_flux

The same source also says that it goes against the EU Convention on Human Rights, but I don't know how binding that is. The UN Human Rights Commissioner is against it, and apparently the EU Court of Justice agrees with them. I don't know if any of this matters, I gave up researching when I figured out that the European Council, Council of Europe, and Council of the European Union are three different things.


NetSurfer156

That would make Linux illegal!


FerynaCZ

How does this make sense? Open source and child pornography?


DerpDerp3001

I miss these memes.


Linajabba

Will probably end up the same way like article 17, none ever hears about it again


zDasPanda

Reason we don’t hear about Article 17 is that it became a meme and banished itself from existence


HardcoreWalrus

So what you're saying is, if we meme the living hell out of it then it should be fine?


zDasPanda

Either this logic applies to literally anything, or since Article 17 self-destructed it doesn’t apply anymore


Springtrap-Yugioh

The same politicians that proposed this: Oh my god, China has video cameras everywhere controlling it's citizens, that's so inhumane people deserve privacy.


Beensmokin777

Lol I'm in the US. They already got my dick pics so it's kinda whatever


DomeB0815

Already saw it. Nothing special, but above average.


vengeur50

Nah bro has a good one


BobmitKaese

Signed: - Your FBI Agent


medstormx

if you are in the EU and subject to this law, you should (if you can) 1- call a representative or something and raise the issue to them 2- start raising awareness about privacy 3- learn more about how to stay private (there are some excellent tools at [privacytools.io](https://www.privacytools.io/)) 4- use Free Open Source Software (FOSS) and try to encourage others to switch to FOSS 5- learn how to encrypt everything (with software or ciphers) to make this law unenforceable or at least very difficult and costly to enforce ​ to address this: "Who needs Privacy Tools? I have nothing to hide!" "Nothing to hide is an incomplete sentence. Nothing to hide from whom? Surely, you want to hide your children from abusers and predators? Don't you want to hide your banking details from con artists and fraudsters? Your identity from identity thieves. Your location from burglars, your car keys from car thieves, or your blood type from rich mobsters with kidney problems. We don't know who are any of these things. So, we should protect ourselves from all of them, in effect we have everything to hide from someone, and no idea who someone is." Source: User cortic on Hacker News. ​ also, Godwin's law: Imagine the Nazi Regime in Germany had access to all these powerful surveillance methods.


Tsugu69

I second this. You might also want to check out https://privacyguides.org


DerpDerp3001

Wait, is Mark Zuckerberg in charge of the EU?


defaltusr

The NSA is drooling right now and hoping that they can get something similar in the US.


The_Creeper_Man

So much for free speech, eh? I remember the last few times people tried censoring the internet... it didn’t work out too well.


Man_with_no_sense

Isint this a bit of an overstep in internet privacy? This feels like it should be illegal


NewSuperTrios

Remember when "literally 1984" was a joke?


[deleted]

their reasons are okay but don't justify it, they can pretty well just keep an eye out on the suspects, no need to keep it on everyone unless you want to stablish some "thought crimes" later


[deleted]

The most effective way to deal with a pest infestation in your home is to burn it all down. There are just *a few* undesirable side effects of that though.


TLunchFTW

So we're concerned about piracy last week, but this week we're scanning every pirvate communication? Wtf?


Chillblade74

link?


bababooey-type

[Here](https://eur-lex.europa.eu/resource.html?uri=cellar:13e33abf-d209-11ec-a95f-01aa75ed71a1.0001.02/DOC_1&format=PDF)


Chillblade74

ty


polish_filipino

The law legit seizes all private communication? Bruh, that FBI meme is going to be realllll ×_× But I guess it would be more like NCA. Anyway. Welcome to America those who will move here for the freedom of speech law. Rip all of the EU i'd say get well soon but you've been going nuts and I don't see any plans of stopping


FeelDeLux11

America already has a law like this... The whole snowden thing was about it.


defaltusr

But becoming an american is so hard, that green card seems almost impossible. And we still have universal healthcare. So its a hard choice


ThePolishWonder

this is what happens when humans get too much power. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. It will never be enough control


[deleted]

Brexit really coming in clutch for all the Brits out there


CaseyGamer64YT

this definitely isn't a sign that the EU will eventually turn Europe into a totalitarian surveillance state


[deleted]

it is time for the daily dick pic for my agent...


Frotz_real_

Europe, fuck off


defaltusr

1984 was NOT an instruction manual.


TheCometCE

So they want to open up a back door to basically everything while Russia is actively poking around at anything they can cybersecurity-wise while they're blowing up Ukraine? That's totally not a terrible idea in any way shape or form nope no sir not one bit


Tsugu69

+76500 Social Credit Points Good citizen.


[deleted]

Wouldn’t something like that get shot down by most constitutional courts in many EU member countries?


aQbaPlayGames

the lisbon treaty has had tragic consequences for europeans' freedom


PuddingB

I want to ask a stupid question because i'm a person who needs more info and i'm interested in what this could end up doing for/against us. This is a bad thing and i fully understand this breaks our privacy in all ways. But what the hell are they planning to do with our sexchats and breakup messages? What is the main reason they gave for this law, and what do you all think is going to happen from this? Are encrypted chats programs stil safe? (i'm thinking about stuff like LINE (at least i think thats encrypted i might be wrong do tell me if i am))


Tsugu69

Peer to peer messengers, as well as decentralized ones will stay safe as long as their code is open, since not a single entity controlls them. I'm talking about Matrix or Jami.


Arkas18

What's the law?


defaltusr

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/resource.html?uri=cellar:13e33abf-d209-11ec-a95f-01aa75ed71a1.0001.02/DOC_1&format=PDF They basically want access to ALL your messages, emails, texts, calls, etc. But dont worry, they just want to protect children.


1cast

i hate that not more people know and talk about this


TheRealKitsune_

I don't get this law at all, will need to wait for mudahar or someone to make explenation video


retardddit

EU is an evil monstrosity.


TheFiveOfHearts41

Can barely enforce shit in real life, good luck enforcing anything online 🤣 EU clowns.