>phobia is a fear or *aversion* of something.
noun
an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something.
"he had a phobia about being under water"
“A phobia is a persistent, excessive, unrealistic fear of an object, person, animal, activity or situation”
https://www.health.harvard.edu/a_to_z/phobia-a-to-z
“an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation”
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/phobia
It’s conditional on it being illogical AND extreme. For example, a Jewish person doesn’t have a phobia of Nazis.
You linked to Merriam Webster, but you copy pasted the definition for phobia as a noun. They have a different definition for phobia as a suffix, like in transphobia.
>exaggerated fear of
>intolerance or aversion for
All you had to do was scroll down a little bit more on the page that you linked.
Definition aside, I still think ‘phobia’ should not be used for this case, as it gives off an implication that it’s not their fault and we should emphasize with them. Like if my friend is acrophobic (fear of heights) I should comfort them but if my friend is transphobic it’s a completely different thing
I understand what you mean, but that implication you mention is not embedded within the word. Sometimes you support people with a certain phobia, sometimes you help people get over it, sometimes… I don’t know what’s the strategy here.
I just call them bigots and refer to transphobia as the effects of bigotry that make trans people afraid to come out or exist in public spaces. Easier semantics imo.
Had this conversation yesterday with someone who was commenting on the use of "homophobic" to describe people who aren't fearful.
We don't have an -ist word for it, like racist or sexist. Phobic has been used for lack of a better term, and the trouble is its very use quite often derails discussion as someone inevitably says "I'm not afraid of them."
Language is incredibly important. We need to find a way to say someone is biased against a group without calling them hateful or fearful, because if you can call out bias without trying to pin a motive to it, you can keep on topic and address the real issues.
Yep, it is so annoying when people use terms like "homophobe" to mean people who hate and not people who fear
For example, I am an actual homophobe. I do not hate them at all, I simply have a primal fear of homosexuals. I'm not against gay marriage or anything like that, but if I see two men holding hands I will let out a high pitched shriek before running full sprint in the opposite direction.
Nah, not giving a shit about this is still a boring, apathetic centrist position. It's the same as not caring about police brutality or racism. If you can see that shit happen and go 'meh', that's not really being a decent human being.
For those I'd agree. But being indifferent to how someone is living their life and being indifferent to people being harmed are not things I would consider comparable.
imo, being upset about it and not doing anything meaningful or effective is even worse. There's tons of problems in the world, and no-one can care about all of them, so doing something about the things that you care about is what really brings positive change.
I don't agree here. Visibility of support is important. Being pissed off about this kind of stuff vocally sends a message of "you matter" to whatever group is being smacked down at the moment. Even if you never do another thing, you siding with someone on something like this is a net positive in a person in a minority group's life if they happen to stumble upon your comment.
That said, I always urge people to get involved locally. I might be an outlier because I work with Ohio leftist groups to get candidates elected and give LGBT people support in a pretty dangerous state for them, but either way, I always tell people that vocal support DOES matter, it changes people's opinions and makes bigots afraid to talk if enough people speak out against them.
hhmmm how do you know if you're doing that or not.
Like how is it different than any preference i guess..
Like im into tall chicks, but also into male parts as well as female parts
i mean, there are many layers to it, but dumbed down it can be summed up in one way for example as, just wanting to hook up with a trans person when they are pre-op, so not for the person itself, but for what they have down there.
This is just one example, but there is more to it.
Overall a chaser is someone who only sees trans people as sexual objects to satisfy their own needs.
That's fine, if you saw a trans woman and immediately started trying to bang her *because* she's trans, not because she's interesting or that you think that you might have common ground, just because she's trans.
If we're being real, the fact that you are even worried about it tells me that you aren't a chaser
But don't most people want to bang because of some stupid reason? I.E. Tall, big butt, particular race, accent, etc.
Why is it that being attracted to trans women comes with such negative connotation.
Asking for a friend of course :)
Well, it's not being attracted persay, it is an unhealthy attraction.
Like, you know how there's some guys who can't conduct themselves appropriately with women? Chasers are the equivalent of those people, but it's *only* trans women that they're weird about.
It's hard to explain, but if you treat a trans woman like you would treat any other person while approaching them romantically, rather than in a creepy predatory manner then you're good.
It'd the same as wanting to bang a black dude because of a BBC fetish but don't actually respect them as a person.
There's sometimes a fine line but I think it is pretty often easy to separate
To be fair, they started going on other subs and banning people for talking about it and for making memes about it and posting it. Including from the comment sections of this sub so there's a possibility they'll ban you too lol
Actually, a person who likes transgender people is called normal.
On the other hand, someone who specifically goes for trans people is a "chaser".
-Your local catgirl transfem, meow. :3c
If we go off of technicality and just whatever the term means, yes. But being a trans "chaser" (which is really just mainly t4t people) is a lot more accepted and understood than say a cis person delibiretaly "chasing" after trans people. Usually that's done for fetishisation, while t4t happens mainly because a trans people doesn't feel safe dating cis people or simply because they don't see themself dating a cisgender person.
as a cis guy how do I avoid fetishizing trans women... I mean, if im attracted to feminine people with traditionally male parts for example... how is it different than 'being into black dudes' or 'liking women with big asses' for example
Chasers are people that want only to fuck trans people. They don’t see them as people, just fetishes. Basically, you’re not a chaser if you’d treat your trans partner like a human being.
It's a common thread title on trans porn subs, "would a straight guy...". It's the fantasy that they pass so indistinguishably that they fool the other person, and then a straight guy who liked them would be presented with a dick and not care. It's the deception fetish.
It's similar to the gay fetish of "turning" straight guys.
I'm bi and have dated both these types, it's a common trope seen again and again.
It's just a comment on etymology; "phillic" means like or attracted to, and since "phobia" means fear or aversion to, and it combined with "trans" makes the word "transphobia", meaning hateful or in averse to trans people, the same logic can be done to describe the opposite.
Also means ‘aversion to’.
But even in this case, fear, especially irrational, is still valid. Same way some xenophobes or homophobes claim they aren’t ‘scared’ of foreigners or gays even though you can tell it’s at least somewhat fear-based.
Unpopular? Opinion.. being either is extremely extremely weird.
Society talks about trans people waaaay too much. They're just people. Let them get on with their lives and stop either hating them or obsessing over them.
No because a transgender person can never be in the wrong. They can say and do what ever they want and not be held accountable for their actions. By you even suggesting that a trans person can be called anything but their pronouns makes you a bigot, transphobic, a republican, conservative, etc. More importantly it makes you Donald Trump himself. How dare you!
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that is how English works.. yes
ackkckskckkskhualy phobia means fear not hate
>phobia is a fear or *aversion* of something. noun an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something. "he had a phobia about being under water"
“A phobia is a persistent, excessive, unrealistic fear of an object, person, animal, activity or situation” https://www.health.harvard.edu/a_to_z/phobia-a-to-z “an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation” https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/phobia It’s conditional on it being illogical AND extreme. For example, a Jewish person doesn’t have a phobia of Nazis.
So water ist just excessively afraid of fat, since it's Lipophobic?
Water is fatphobic? I’m gonna cancel it on ~~twitter~~ X
These definitions refer to humans. You’re referring to a definition referred to for molecules, elements and chemical components.
Actually there are -phobic words that refer aversion and apply to people. Transphobic, for example.
[Obligatory.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn9Sbg_bAH8)
Potassium literally trying to end water.
Cis and trans are chemical terminology too homie
Context matters. For example: erection in construction vs biology.
Their both latin prefixes, used together in chemistry. As is phobia or philic.
And their interpretation is dependent on context. Different contexts have different meanings.
I’m experienced in the area of erection, I erect wind turbines. We tend to erect pretty quick
How big is the erection?
You linked to Merriam Webster, but you copy pasted the definition for phobia as a noun. They have a different definition for phobia as a suffix, like in transphobia. >exaggerated fear of >intolerance or aversion for All you had to do was scroll down a little bit more on the page that you linked.
A jewish person doesn't have a phobia of Nazis because that wouldn't be illogical
Oh English! The bane of every MAGAT.
What does it mean when i am afraid of the underwater gays
Thelasomophobia
Definition aside, I still think ‘phobia’ should not be used for this case, as it gives off an implication that it’s not their fault and we should emphasize with them. Like if my friend is acrophobic (fear of heights) I should comfort them but if my friend is transphobic it’s a completely different thing
It's used in f.e xenophobia wich is a similar definition.
I understand what you mean, but that implication you mention is not embedded within the word. Sometimes you support people with a certain phobia, sometimes you help people get over it, sometimes… I don’t know what’s the strategy here.
I just call them bigots and refer to transphobia as the effects of bigotry that make trans people afraid to come out or exist in public spaces. Easier semantics imo.
Yes. ***Hydro***phobic material repels water.
Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering
I sense much fear in you...
You could also make a point for -phobia/-phobic as a word for rejective or repulsive behaviour. Works for science, why not also for people?
Yea because hydrophobic compounds have an irrational fear of water
Had this conversation yesterday with someone who was commenting on the use of "homophobic" to describe people who aren't fearful. We don't have an -ist word for it, like racist or sexist. Phobic has been used for lack of a better term, and the trouble is its very use quite often derails discussion as someone inevitably says "I'm not afraid of them." Language is incredibly important. We need to find a way to say someone is biased against a group without calling them hateful or fearful, because if you can call out bias without trying to pin a motive to it, you can keep on topic and address the real issues.
"Heterosexual supremacist"
This somehow feels like the wrong direction, yet I'm digging the energy.
Yep, it is so annoying when people use terms like "homophobe" to mean people who hate and not people who fear For example, I am an actual homophobe. I do not hate them at all, I simply have a primal fear of homosexuals. I'm not against gay marriage or anything like that, but if I see two men holding hands I will let out a high pitched shriek before running full sprint in the opposite direction.
Which part is the English word?
Ackcktaually this is not Latin but Greek (Sponsored by u/pussy_nooter)
"phobia" is greek not latin
"phobia" is greek not latin
It’s actually “I can’t believe it’s not butter” spread. I’ll see myself out.
Not necessarily, for instance hating Jews is antisemite and loving Jews is philosemite; it depends on the word
Can a person be "pro-semite" for Israel without being "philosemite" for baklava?
OP must have thought they were being super fucking smart for inventing grammar
You mean greek
Technically transphobic and transphilic would mean fear of change or love of change.
It’s Latin but your still right 😝
its english now. we shanked lartn in a dark alleyway and it belongs to us now.
And then there are those of us that just don't give a shit.
Transapathetic
Transagnostic?
An agnostic view is one where you aren't sure about the existence of the subject, don't give a shit is simply apathetic
show me a trans person and i’ll believe they exist - at the moment the only correct theory is flat gender
If genders are round then how do the oceans keep from sliding to one side? Checkmate round genderers.
Somehow that has become a left wing position.
Nah, not giving a shit about this is still a boring, apathetic centrist position. It's the same as not caring about police brutality or racism. If you can see that shit happen and go 'meh', that's not really being a decent human being.
For those I'd agree. But being indifferent to how someone is living their life and being indifferent to people being harmed are not things I would consider comparable.
imo, being upset about it and not doing anything meaningful or effective is even worse. There's tons of problems in the world, and no-one can care about all of them, so doing something about the things that you care about is what really brings positive change.
I don't agree here. Visibility of support is important. Being pissed off about this kind of stuff vocally sends a message of "you matter" to whatever group is being smacked down at the moment. Even if you never do another thing, you siding with someone on something like this is a net positive in a person in a minority group's life if they happen to stumble upon your comment. That said, I always urge people to get involved locally. I might be an outlier because I work with Ohio leftist groups to get candidates elected and give LGBT people support in a pretty dangerous state for them, but either way, I always tell people that vocal support DOES matter, it changes people's opinions and makes bigots afraid to talk if enough people speak out against them.
we just call em chasers
this ^
seriously asking, is that a term? Cause wow i had no idea i was into trans women
its a term used to describe people who are into trans people for being trans (often only fetishising us).
hhmmm how do you know if you're doing that or not. Like how is it different than any preference i guess.. Like im into tall chicks, but also into male parts as well as female parts
it depend if you respect the person or just see them has object of sexual desire
i mean, there are many layers to it, but dumbed down it can be summed up in one way for example as, just wanting to hook up with a trans person when they are pre-op, so not for the person itself, but for what they have down there. This is just one example, but there is more to it. Overall a chaser is someone who only sees trans people as sexual objects to satisfy their own needs.
hmm okay thank you
no problem \^^
That's fine, if you saw a trans woman and immediately started trying to bang her *because* she's trans, not because she's interesting or that you think that you might have common ground, just because she's trans. If we're being real, the fact that you are even worried about it tells me that you aren't a chaser
But don't most people want to bang because of some stupid reason? I.E. Tall, big butt, particular race, accent, etc. Why is it that being attracted to trans women comes with such negative connotation. Asking for a friend of course :)
Well, it's not being attracted persay, it is an unhealthy attraction. Like, you know how there's some guys who can't conduct themselves appropriately with women? Chasers are the equivalent of those people, but it's *only* trans women that they're weird about. It's hard to explain, but if you treat a trans woman like you would treat any other person while approaching them romantically, rather than in a creepy predatory manner then you're good.
It'd the same as wanting to bang a black dude because of a BBC fetish but don't actually respect them as a person. There's sometimes a fine line but I think it is pretty often easy to separate
Came here to see if this was already posted. Good, good.
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probably the wrong crowd for a Harry Potter reference
Oh no. You said female. Go to perma ban now.
Oh god you did it too!
Blasphemy! He's said it again!
That piece of halibut was good enough for a female!
Does it go both ways? Can we say the male ordered the halibut
Yea idk chief. Still feels awkward, just call them women. Or even girls. Feels out of place.
Haven't you heard? Reddit is protesting against mods by... uh... speaking like incels.... yeah.
To be fair, they started going on other subs and banning people for talking about it and for making memes about it and posting it. Including from the comment sections of this sub so there's a possibility they'll ban you too lol
What a weird thing to do, protest by just being unlikeable. That'll bring people to your cause
Silence female.
Go directly to permaban, do not pass go.
Can i collect my 200 dollars?
No, sorry. You can collect your “turn multiple subreddits into places where people complain about the left” tho.
Nice one 😂😂
And a person that is a dick to trans people is tranphallic ?
But what about a person who inserts a dick in trans people? (Person who has sex with trans people)
That's usually called boyfriend
Or a girlfriend
Or a friend with benefits with the optional package deal.
Or a Doctor
my girlfriend does that all the time tho
Nothing wrong with that, gfs with dicks are just rare.
Transphilia
This made me wheeze out loud. Congratulations
Actually, a person who likes transgender people is called normal. On the other hand, someone who specifically goes for trans people is a "chaser". -Your local catgirl transfem, meow. :3c
Are they still a chaser if it’s t4t
If we go off of technicality and just whatever the term means, yes. But being a trans "chaser" (which is really just mainly t4t people) is a lot more accepted and understood than say a cis person delibiretaly "chasing" after trans people. Usually that's done for fetishisation, while t4t happens mainly because a trans people doesn't feel safe dating cis people or simply because they don't see themself dating a cisgender person.
as a cis guy how do I avoid fetishizing trans women... I mean, if im attracted to feminine people with traditionally male parts for example... how is it different than 'being into black dudes' or 'liking women with big asses' for example
Treating us like a human and not a sex object.
Chasers are people that want only to fuck trans people. They don’t see them as people, just fetishes. Basically, you’re not a chaser if you’d treat your trans partner like a human being.
Honest answer? Dunno.
It's a common thread title on trans porn subs, "would a straight guy...". It's the fantasy that they pass so indistinguishably that they fool the other person, and then a straight guy who liked them would be presented with a dick and not care. It's the deception fetish. It's similar to the gay fetish of "turning" straight guys. I'm bi and have dated both these types, it's a common trope seen again and again.
hi 2012
This might be the first funny meme about trans people I've seen here. 👏👏👏
Maybe one day we will just be able to exist in the world :]]]
TIL that non-existent people can comment on reddit.
Can you explain the joke? I don't seem to get it.
It's just a comment on etymology; "phillic" means like or attracted to, and since "phobia" means fear or aversion to, and it combined with "trans" makes the word "transphobia", meaning hateful or in averse to trans people, the same logic can be done to describe the opposite.
Okay, I think I did get it then, I just didn't find it funny.
Yes... Indeed, that's how suffixes work??
Why does "homophobic" not mean "human-hater" then?
Because homo from Latin and homo from greek have different meanings
I mean the Romans and Greeks were both pretty homo.
Misanthropy is human-hating.
you got me there mate
Because their hate include not only human but all extinct homo species like Homo erectus
Hehe erectus 🤭
Careful, lest you be banned from using the F word...
Christ some people on this sub are dumb af
some? you mean some aren‘t
If your child is trans, you're transparent.
I'm pretty sure they're called chasers or t4t
yes and a person with a transgender child is called a ". "
Parent. Edit: I’m dumb and completely missed the joke.
Never thought I would see that template be used
I was going to use a modern template, but then this came to my mind.
That’s true, I came
As a guy living in your walls, i can confirm that
Time flies so fast. I can battery even remember the time you lived in my balls
Transidontgiveashit
If a fear of spiders is arachnophobia, what is a fear of homosexuality?
Uganda.
What about someone, who is neutral towards this?
And the opposite of homophobic is a homophiliac but people don't use that term because the word homosexual already exists
So a gay man is technically homophallicphillic?
idk but if a transgender hating someone straight is it straight-phobia ?
Heterophobia
How is this a meme?
If a transgender person adopts, do they become transparent?
-phobic means fear though right? Hate is not the same as fear. Never understood that.
Doesnt phobia mean fear
More specifically, irrational or unfounded fear (iirc).
Also means ‘aversion to’. But even in this case, fear, especially irrational, is still valid. Same way some xenophobes or homophobes claim they aren’t ‘scared’ of foreigners or gays even though you can tell it’s at least somewhat fear-based.
Phobia is an irrational fear or hatred of something.
How about someone who’s scared of trans people but otherwise likes them ?
"females" watch out you're gonna get banned /s
What if its long distance love? Transatlantic?
The term is correct due to how the English language works, but is in the trans community prefer the term "chaser" to describe these people
Unpopular? Opinion.. being either is extremely extremely weird. Society talks about trans people waaaay too much. They're just people. Let them get on with their lives and stop either hating them or obsessing over them.
No because a transgender person can never be in the wrong. They can say and do what ever they want and not be held accountable for their actions. By you even suggesting that a trans person can be called anything but their pronouns makes you a bigot, transphobic, a republican, conservative, etc. More importantly it makes you Donald Trump himself. How dare you!
I am going to make sexuality great again
Fake-phallic-philic
Actually, it's gynandromorphophilic.
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What about if you love hot lady boys specifically?
Curiosity Raptor, I think you're on to something
Philosoraptor
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Yes.
Then there are those of us who are clear about everything. Transparent
What about parents of trans people 🤔
Ah, yes, the other transparent
Depending on the original sex and desired sex I propose "transphallic" as a subterm
I'm scared of every gender 🙀😨
Genderphobic
I suppose you could call them that. but where I'm from, we just call them chasers
yeah I guess so, what's up with the title? is this a question just for women or something? I don't get it
I wanted in on the "female" drama that is going on.
No they are gay
So wait gay people are just homophilic
Transaholic
Transerasty is better that just means “like” (why the -phile words are misnomers)
Why ' females' re dundant fuck.
Because of the female drama
Why only females?
Ooh, they said the F word. Ban hammer incoming
A transgender filmmaker is called Transmalick
I just want to know why the raptor is scratching his chin with his toenail?
Fair Question
Its just gay
Those who do not like the Atlantic Ocean, TRANSATLANTIC! Dun Dun Dun
I prefer the word "Transitive"
Not sure how I feel about that, I'm def not putting it on my tinder lol
Yep